Cujimmae@aol.com  Add to Address Book  Add Mobile Alert 

Date: Tue, 24 Jan 2006 07:19:16 EST

Subject: A brief Hello from a Cryans.......

To: caoimhghin@yahoo.com

    Hello Caoimhghin,

 

I've just found your website while looking for some information on my family name, CRYANS.

 

Your site is pretty amazing.

 

Most of my family are in the Glasgow area, though I live about 30 miles north of London in Hertfordshire.

 

I am only just starting to look into this family history stuff but I believe that my family had moved from the Sligo area around the time of the Famine.

 

Well, just saying hello really, and no need to bother replying as you must get zillions of e-mails each day from family history buffs.

 

Cheerio the noo,

 

Joe Cryans

 

 

 

 

 

K.McElrath@Queens-Belfast.AC.UK  View Contact Details   Add Mobile Alert 

Subject: Re: [Cryan et al.] update

Date: 27 Jan 2006 00:07:02 +0000

To: CRYAN-L@rootsweb.com

   

Me neither. Hope all are well and do let us know

 updates on your family

research. My cryan lines come from Brogher

 townland (County Sligo),

Swampscott, Wareham and Somerset (Massachusetts),

 and Mercer County

(Pennsylvania). The family spelled the name Crain

 in western Pennsylvania.

Karen

 

 

"Kathleen O'Donnell-Grone" <kogrone@gmail.com>  Add to Address Book  Add Mobile Alert 

To: CRYAN-L@rootsweb.com

Subject: [Cryan et al.] Re: CRYAN-D Digest V06 #1

   

Thought I would post my CREEN family -- Nice to

 hear from people! :) Katheen

 

Descendants of John Creen

 

    1      John CREEN    b: in New York

..        +Anna "Annie" MINER    b: January 1854

 in New York

...    2      Rufus Joseph CREEN    b: May 1885

 in New  York City, New

York    d: Abt. 1940 in New York

.......        +Charlotte "Lottie" KERNER    b:

 November 27, 1886 in

Brooklyn, New York    d: March 13, 1959 in New

 York    m: October 26, 1904

in New York

.........    3      Isabell M. CREEN    b:

 October 5, 1905 in Brooklyn, New

York    d: October 1, 1938 in Queens County, New

 York

.............        +Lester Aloyisius O'DONNELL

    b: August 30, 1908 in

Flatbush, Brooklyn, New York    d: March 2, 1992

 in Yonkers, New York    m:

1923 in Brooklyn, New York

.........    3      Rufus Joseph CREEN, Jr.    b:

 December 15, 1908 in New

York    d: January 1985 in Riverhead, New York

.............        +Eleanor A.            m:

 October 2, 1910

.........    3      Jessica CREEN    b: 1912

...    2      Isabella CREEN    b: February 1882

 

 

-

 

Pat Cryans" <pat@pcryans.fsnet.co.uk>  Add to Address Book  Add Mobile Alert 

Date: Tue, 31 Jan 2006 13:21:19 -0000

To: CRYAN-L@rootsweb.com

Subject: [Cryan et al.] update

   

Hi everyone,

Regarding the name my family who moved from Sligo

 in 1870 to Glasgow had the

name on various documents as,  Crinn  Creon Cryan

 Crean Creighan and finally

Cryans,when you have an Irishman relaying info to

 a Scotsman they most

probably got as near phonetically as possible. I

 do think that it also

depends on where you lived re.dialect etc. in

 Ballymote they tend to say

Crine as opposed to Cry -an,where as the further

 south you go say towards

Roscommon and Leitrim(Carrick on Shannon) they

 say Cry-an in Mayo they would

say Cre-han.If you look up the various records

 for Tawnagh Parish

(Riverstown) Sligo  between 1800 -1830 the name

 is Krine.

Can anyone help me with regard to my family, my

 grandfather was Patrick

Cryan ,he had 10 children 9 boys 1girl he named

 his first son after his

father Owen and the others were the usual ones

 Joseph John's etc and a

Patrick who died aged 15 years,but i noticed that

 only my father named me

after his father,when you think there were over

 35 grandchildren but only

one named after the grandfather unusual? would

 this be due to superstition

because my Uncle Patrick died so young,any

 thought's.

Best wishes Patrick

 

 

 

Laura" <michaeldarcher@eircom.net>  Add to Address Book  Add Mobile Alert 

To: caoimhghin@yahoo.com

Subject: Cryan Family Tree Ireland.

Date: Thu, 2 Feb 2006 10:35:08 -0000

    Hello,

 

I came across some of your entries by accident in a Google Search.  A lot of the places the Cryan Family come from are Townlands in the Parish of Boyle, Co. Roscommon.  Estersnow is in the Parish of Croghan.  Kiltycreighton – not Cultacreighton, is in the parish of Boyle.  Maybe I can help?

 

 

 

Laura

 

 

 

 

Sun, 14 May 2006 04:07:42 -0700 (PDT)

From: "Caoimhghin O Croidheain" <caoimhghin@yahoo.com>  View Contact Details   Add Mobile Alert 

To: CRYAN-L@rootsweb.com

Subject: [Cryan et al.] war memorials

   

Hi

Has anyone seen this site or got any more

 information

about this John Creane?

 

http://www.irishwarmemorials.ie/html/persons.html

 

 

Creane, John (Seán Ó Croidheáin)   Civil War 

 IRA 

Taghmon   Civil War Memorial   Private; put to

 death

13 March 1923. 

 

caoimhghin

 

 

 

 

Thomas Crane" <tccrane@peoplepc.com>  Add to Address Book  Add Mobile Alert 

To: "Caoimhghin O Croidheain" <caoimhghin@yahoo.com>

CC: CRYAN-L@rootsweb.com

Subject: Re: [Cryan et al.] war memorials

Date: Sun, 14 May 2006 18:13:34 -0500

   

Very interesting, Caoimhghin.

 

I seem to recall coming across his name a number

 of years ago; let us say

about 20 or 25, if I am not mistaken.  I vaguely

 recall that he was tried

and convicted and then shot in Dublin.  When I

 went back to do further

research on him, I could not find any reference

 and due to my somewhat

addled mind, I could not recall where I saw the

 original reference.  So

please, do not ask me.  I am approaching the age

 where I have to remember

whether or not I put my pants on before I go out

 of the house.

 

On the other hand, since he was a Wexford man, he

 is no doubt descended from

the Cranes or Creanes of Slovey, County Wexford.

  That is where I found the

heaviest concentration of this branch of the

 family.  I have made mention of

that fact in my book, "Green Is The Valley, Blue

 Are The Hills."  The

Creanes or Cranes of Slovey devoted over 30 sons

 and daughters to the

Catholic clergy going back to 1690.  I had the

 distinct honor of visiting

with and shaking the hand of Peter Crane who was

 the last male surviving

member of that family.  Peter, God rest his soul,

 died in December of 1983.

 

A further note is the fact that it has been

 believed by some others that

this branch of the Cranes were of Norman

 extraction.  Now that the Irish

spelling of his name has been definitely

 identified as being "Croidheain"

that puts him and, more than likely, the rest of

 the Cranes of Wexford in

the direct line of Irish ancestry such as

 yourself.

 

Given enough time; that is, provided we should

 live long enough to see it

come about, much of our interest in Irish

 genealogy will be satisfied.

Thanks to your eagle eye, Caoimhghin, another

 mystery may have been solved.

 

God bless,

 

Tom Crane (USA)

 

P.S.  For those who might be interested, my book

 is posted on the website,

"Fethard At Home" and can be read in its entirety

 free of charge.  The URL

is http://fethard.com/crane   Have a nice day!

 

 

 

 

Fri, 2 Jun 2006 10:41:57 -0700 (PDT)

From: "Caoimhghin O Croidheain" <caoimhghin@yahoo.com>  View Contact Details   Add Mobile Alert 

To: CRYAN-L@rootsweb.com

Subject: [Cryan et al.] Sinn Fein and Republican Suspects 1899-1921 

   

Dear all

 

Eneclann in conjunction with the Public Records

Office, London, England present a first time

publication of the Dublin Castle intelligence

 files on

individual Sinn Fein and Republican suspects

 between

1899 and 1921

Item # CD15

Price: €49.90 or US$49.95 (plus postage &

 packing)

Library/Network editions contact us for price.

ISBN 1-905118-05-8 [CD Version]; 1-905118-06-6

 [DVD

Version]

 

Sinn Fein and Republican Suspects 1899-1921

Dublin Castle Special Branch Files CO 904

 (193-216)

List of individuals with files:

 

Crean, Jeremiah (CO904/197/84)

 

http://eneclann.ie/publications-17-list.asp

 

caoimhghin

 

 

 

Fri, 2 Jun 2006 10:43:39 -0700 (PDT)

From: "Caoimhghin O Croidheain" <caoimhghin@yahoo.com>  View Contact Details   Add Mobile Alert 

To: CRYAN-L@rootsweb.com

Subject: [Cryan et al.] Cryan Article in Irish Roots

   

Dear all

 

An article I wrote on my grand uncle, Stephen

 Cryan,

has been published in the current issue of Irish

Roots.

 

caoimhghin

 

 

Fri, 2 Jun 2006 11:10:17 -0700 (PDT)

From: "Caoimhghin O Croidheain" <caoimhghin@yahoo.com>  View Contact Details   Add Mobile Alert 

To: CRYAN-L@rootsweb.com

Subject: [Cryan et al.] cryan, crean, crehan in irish newspaper archives

   

Dear all

 

The Irish Newspaper Archives extends to over 1

 million

pages of Irish news publications at present.

 Irish

Newspaper Archive Ltd is launching this

 comprehensive

website on behalf of Irish newspaper proprietors

 and

is marketing this site directly to libraries,

universities and individuals around the world on

 a

subscription basis. This archive consists of

continuous news publications from 1763 up to

 current

month.

 

These papers are on-line:

Connacht Tribune

Freemans Journal

Irish Farmers Journal

Irish Independent

Leitrim Observer

Meath Chronicle

Sunday Independent

The Anglo-celt

The Connaught Telegraph

The Tuam Herald

 

I did a search for

Cryan and got 3962 results,

8832 for crean

1867 for crehan

 

http://irishnewspaperarchives.com/

 

You can use this site for free to get lists of

references but must pay to get details. If anyone

 does

use the site I am sure it would very much

 appreciated

if any new material or references were posted to

 the

list.

regards

caoimhghin

 

 

 

Pat Cryans" <pat@pcryans.fsnet.co.uk>  Add to Address Book  Add Mobile Alert 

Date: Sun, 11 Jun 2006 19:06:33 +0100

To: CRYAN-L@rootsweb.com

Subject: [Cryan et al.] DNA RESULTS

   

Hi all,

Just obtained my results from the above test, and

 the man at Family Tree

DNA( Austin Rock) informs me that my  origins are

 in Mid- Ulster which

coincides with what a Dr Michael Cryan (Salthill

 Galway) told me over 20

years ago, that there is a family legend and a

 map showing the Cryne family

in what would be called Tyrone. The map by

 Baptista Boazio dated 1599 is

available from the British Museum. Michael's

 family originated in Keash Co

Sligo, there being 2 brothers Michael and

 Bernard, Michael moving to the

townland of Knocknaskea,Killavill near Gurteen

 Sligo about 1800 and Bernard

staying in Keash. A descendent Thomas Cryan lives

  in Knocknaskea  on the

original farm. Don't forget if any male Cryan's

 would like to carry out the

DNA test contact Family Tree on the internet it

 is very easy.

Patrick

 

 

 

 

Mon, 12 Jun 2006 18:32:15 -0400

From: "Maureen McCourt Nantista" <mornan@optonline.net>  Add to Address Book  Add Mobile Alert 

To: CRYAN-L@rootsweb.com

Subject: [Cryan et al.] Re: DNA RESULTS

   

Hi Patrick,

 

    Am so jealous :-)

 

    My mother, Eileen Cryan, was an only child

 and I haven't found a

direct-line male Cryan descendant going all the

 way back to my

great-grandfather and his brothers.

 

    Please keep us posted on any matches.

 

Maureen Nantista

Huntington, NY

 

Karen McElrath" <K.McElrath@qub.ac.uk>  View Contact Details   Add Mobile Alert 

To: "Caoimhghin O Croidheain" <caoimhghin@yahoo.com>

CC: CRYAN-L@rootsweb.com

Subject: Re: [Cryan et al.] DNA

Date: 10 Jul 2006 19:51:55 +0000

   

As Pat Cryans explained, I think for family gen.

 they test the male line

only. I've seen it advertised through ROOTSWEB or

 Ancestry.com. Please let

us know test results though. It's interesting

 stuff, and the NY Times

featured an article on DNA testing and geneology

 a few months ago. Best,

Karen

 

 

Matt&Crystal Hamel" <mchamel@hotmail.com>  Add to Address Book  Add Mobile Alert 

Date: Tue, 11 Jul 2006 11:47:51 +0000

To: CRYAN-L@rootsweb.com

Subject: [Cryan et al.] DNA

   

I am very interested in doing the DNA testing but

 being a female, all I

would be able to learn about would be my mom's

 side.  I AM interested in her

side but really wanted to find out my Crehan

 family which is on my dad's

side.  So, at this point, I don't know if it's

 worth it.  Any suggestions?

 

Crystal Hamel

 

 

Matt&Crystal Hamel" <mchamel@hotmail.com>  Add to Address Book  Add Mobile Alert 

Date: Tue, 11 Jul 2006 13:37:42 +0000

To: CRYAN-L@rootsweb.com

Subject: [Cryan et al.] Another question

   

Does it matter which DNA test group you use?  I

 was thinking about the

National Geographic DNA testing they have. Does

 anyone know which group is

better to use?

 

Crystal

 

 

 

Fri, 21 Jul 2006 09:31:39 -0600

From: "K. M. O'Donnell" <kogrone@gmail.com>  Add to Address Book  Add Mobile Alert 

To: CRYAN-L@rootsweb.com

Subject: [Cryan et al.] A New Generation

   

We are proud to announce the birth of our first

 grandchild, Alexys Marie

Grone Wolberg, born July 17th. Grandma is an

 O'Donnell! She is adorable! To

see photos go to flickr below! We are rejoicing!

 

 

 

Patrick Cryans" <patrickfrancis@talktalk.net>  Add to Address Book  Add Mobile Alert 

To: CRYAN-L@rootsweb.com

Date: Wed, 18 Oct 2006 17:33:48 +0100

Subject: [CRYAN] DNA

   

Hi,

Just thought i would try again with this request

 , anyone interested in

taking the test with Family Tree DNA the cost for

 the cheapest test is £

50.00(FIFTY) i and another cryan have taken the

 test but we need other

cryan's to join in.

You will need to be a male cryan for this

 y-chromosome test,it will resolve

the cryan -crean debate as well.

Patrick

 

 

 

 

Patrick Cryans" <patrickfrancis@talktalk.net>  Add to Address Book  Add Mobile Alert 

To: "Caoimhghin O Croidheain" <caoimhghin@yahoo.com>

Subject: Re: [CRYAN] DNA

Date: Thu, 19 Oct 2006 09:33:04 +0100

   

Hi Caoimhghin,

I started with THE 12 marker cost $149 then went

 for the 25 marker and have

now gone for 37 marker as the other cryan are 2

 markers out so i have been

advised to go for the 37 marker,please look at

 the site i would be

interested in any comments you might have i know

 some people may think it is

good way to poor money down the drain but it will

 help out with Crean Cryan

etc.

My own markers have indicated a close link to a

 Faughnan family in Leitrim.

Let me know your views Patrick

 

 

 

Mon, 23 Oct 2006 17:43:47 -0700 (PDT)

From: "Caoimhghin O Croidheain" <caoimhghin@yahoo.com>  View Contact Details   Add Mobile Alert 

To: "cryan list" <CRYAN-L@rootsweb.com>

Subject: [CRYAN] New book on culture and Irish - 'Language from Below'

   

Dear all,

 

I know that this book does not refer to Cryans

 [other

than it has been written by a Cryan!] but some

researchers may find its history of Irish

 nationalism

and the Irish language interesting for background

material. Therefore I announce that my PhD thesis

 has

finally been published by Peter Lang academic

publishers. It is entitled 'Language from Below:

 The

Irish Language, Ideology and Power in 20th

 Century

Ireland'. There is a book synopsis below.

 

More information about the book may be found at:

http://gaelart.net/lfbpage.html

 

I hope this of some interest to the members of

the list.

 

Caoimhghin Ó Croidheáin

 

 

"Patrick Cryans" <patrickfrancis@talktalk.net>  Add to Address Book  Add Mobile Alert 

To: CRYAN-L@rootsweb.com

Date: Wed, 8 Nov 2006 19:08:23 -0000

Subject: [CRYAN] Griffith's Valuation of Ireland

   

Hi,

Can anyone let me know if they have any info

 regarding books called House

and Tenure with regard to the above records. It

 is possible that they have

a little more info than the actual Griffith's

  Valuation.

Patrick

 

 

Ann Simpson" <ann.simpson40@ntlworld.com>  Add to Address Book  Add Mobile Alert 

To: CAOIMHGHIN@YAHOO.COM

Subject: About FindingThe Crean Family

Date: Thu, 23 Nov 2006 15:39:55 -0000

    Hi Kevin.

 

My brother John Paul Crean met you several years ago at a meeting in Galway and you gave him your e-mail address.

He said that you were looking up the ancestors of the Crean Family. He gave me this e-mail address but

I had lost it and have only just found itagain. I did attempt to trace you on a web site but I am not sure if it

was you that I turned up. Sadly my brother died three years ago, he is buried in Athlegue cemetery in

Roscommon.

 

My father was John Crean from Loughglynn he was born March 30 1893 and died in Northenden, Manchester

20th October 1967. His wife Martha Finan was also from Loughglynn and she outlived him by just four years.

 

If you can shed any light on the family history I would be pleased to hear it.

 

I look forward  to hear from you.

 With regards  Ann Simpson (nee Crean)

 

 

 

Patrick Cryans" <patrickfrancis@talktalk.net>  Add to Address Book  Add Mobile Alert 

To: CRYAN-L@rootsweb.com

Date: Sun, 18 Feb 2007 22:38:50 -0000

Subject: [CRYAN] Tithe Records

   

Hi,

Does anyone have any of the above for the County

 Roscommon -Ardcarn Parish-

Cryanstown(Aghrafinigan) Townland.

Patrick

 

 

paul gunning" <shellyriver@hotmail.com>  Add to Address Book  Add Mobile Alert 

To: caoimhghin@yahoo.com

Subject: Creans - Roscommon/Sligo

Date: Mon, 05 Mar 2007 18:41:33 +0000

    Hi -

 

My name is Paul Gunning, I am from Sligo and previously was a reporter for the Roscommon Herald (I have met Father Leonard, a few times - he is possibly more intrigued with Junior GAA football than local history!!).

 

I read your comments regarding an inscription with the O'Crean family motto - ie Within Me Place a Pure Heart etc.

 

I too was curious if the said chair had anything to do with Bishop Crean, along with anything as to its provenance. It is possible, however, the Creans were in Sligo Town in O'Creans Castle and Andrew Crean was transplanted to Mayo in the 1650s. know that the Daniel Crean was OP of the Sligo Dominicians during the mid-1700s, it may have been his.

 

I have been researching the Sligo Creans for about a year.

 

Any assistance would be great.

 

Regards

 

Paul G.

 

 

 

 

Mon, 5 Mar 2007 16:25:05 -0800 (PST)

From: "Caoimhghin O Croidheain" <caoimhghin@yahoo.com>  View Contact Details   Add Mobile Alert 

Subject: Re: Creans - Roscommon/Sligo

To: "paul gunning" <shellyriver@hotmail.com>

   

Dear Paul

 

Delighted to hear you are doing some research on

 the

Creans. I assunme you saw the pics at

http://geocities.com/caoimhghin/throne.html

 

I am afraid I dont know anymore than you. It must

 have

been associated with crean bishop with that crean

motto carved on it. I suppose if the chair was

evaluated by an antiques expert then we could see

which bishops there were at the time.

 

How is Father Leonard?

 

If you have any Crean material would you be able

 to

put it on the cryan list on rootsweb.com? [Are

 you on

the cryan list? Have you seen

http://geocities.com/caoimhghin/familyhistory.html?]

 

best regards

caoimhghin

 

 

 

 

paul gunning" <shellyriver@hotmail.com>  Add to Address Book  Add Mobile Alert 

To: caoimhghin@yahoo.com

Subject: Re: Creans - Roscommon/Sligo

Date: Wed, 07 Mar 2007 11:24:34 +0000

   

 

 

 

Dear Caoimhghin

 

Thanks for your prompt reply and helpful link. I didn't actually see the picture previous to your email. I would be amazed and thrilled to discover if the connection with the Creans of Sligo is proven.

 

I searched eagerly to if there was any indication of the Creans' families crest -- but I couldn't see it -- however, it may have been there in the past, or alternately it may be there on closer inspection. Some might the motto, being a direct Bibilical quote is merely coincidental, however I think it is fair to say, on the balance of probabilities, it is most likely in some way associated with the Creans, considering their ecclesiastical associations in the North-West of Ireland.

 

As an aside, considering the Creans' maritime associations, it is ironically apt, that it was decided to transfix a helm upon the Throne!! 

 

In any event, you may be aware, that Dr Douglas Hyde has strong south Sligo links with his father was a Rector in Geevagh, Co Sligo (my mother's native parish) when he was born -- apparently he was born, when his mother was on a short visit to her family in Frenchpark.

 

As to the fFrenches of Frenchpark - they too -- like the Crean clan -- have very strong medieval Sligo Town connections, with both families, during the early C17th, being the leading money-lenders in the region.

 

I believe, the Frenchs, along with the Creans, were the most notable Sligo transplanted family post-1641. This is important because Sligo was the only county in the West where the native Irish were not permitted to move, due to the fact the soliders from the Elizabethan period had already taken most of the plum locations, and there was no room for the natives!

 

You are aware, I am sure, of the fact that Bishop Crean - had the notable distinction of being simulateanously, the Bishop of Elphin for the Established Church and the Roman Catholic Church. To become the Established Bishop he had to travel Dublin to be granted his Government's approval, which provided him with the rights regarding Tithes etc. Previously, he had travelled to Rome on his way to the Eternal City, but became ill in France and never made it there.

 

As, like so many of the Creans of Sligo Town, successfully straddled, intra-Gaelic worlds between Lower Connaught and Tyrconnell, along with the advancing despite the turbulent relationships between the Irish and English, it came as no surprise that Bishop Crean achieved this feat of ecumenicalism!

 

It is generally assumed, Sligo Abbey, in which this throne -- if it belonged to Bishop Crean -- was destroyed in 1641, burned by the Cromwellian leader, and successfully Planter Francis Hamilton, by my research shows this to be propaganda and untrue. The imputation is that the fabric and materials within the Abbey were destroyed -- which was again compounded by the inequities during the Penal Era. However, these assertions are somewhat simplistic and erroneous historically.

 

I would have thought any artefacts belonging to the Creans of this nature, would have been coveted by the prestigious and high-ranking Creans in Crean Castle or by Andrew Crean of Annaghmore -- who I referred to previously. However, it is quite possible, the Church (of which denomination, we'll have to yet discover maintained the period piece!) managed to maintain possession of the Throne. The intrigue of it all!!

 

I too would love to have the throne inspected and appraised, by an expert so to have it dated and acquire some information regarding its provenance, with particular reference to its wood, style, joints etc so as to date it accurately.

 

My first impression is that it could hardly be Elizabethan -- then again, some elements of it could have been incorporated into a pre-existing Throne. Also, the Latin phrase, which was synonymous with Sligo/Gaelic and ultimately Catholic overtones would have have found favour in the C17th/C18th Sligo which outside of Ulster was the most Protestant urban centre in Ireland, so this particular piece of furniture may have become repugnant to the Faithful in Sligo.

 

In any event, let's see. It's a wonderful find with potentially huge significance concerning the travails of the Creans of Sligo Town.

 

I have been researching, with the view to publish a book regarding the history of Sligo, for a number of years  (on and off) however I don't know if I'll ever finish it or ultimately be prepared to have it published. In any event, I am hoping to give a talk regarding the O'Crean Clan of Sligo -- there are, I believe, some very significant historical points to made concerning their history, which really touches upon the history of South Donegal, North Sligo and Moylurg (as the Creans intermarried withRThe MacDermotts of Drumadoney).

 

I have attempted, to pen my research over the Christmas, it rapidly expanded to 100 A4 pages, to I haven't had the time to finialise my research and theories -- as I am taking by final exams in Kings Inns. Until then, I won't be in a position to add anything to the Cryan thread.

 

Once again, thanks for your help and emails. Talk to you soon.

 

Regards

 

Paul Gunning

 

 

Wed, 9 May 2007 05:11:27 -0700 (PDT)

From: "Caoimhghin O Croidheain" <caoimhghin@yahoo.com>  View Contact Details   Add Mobile Alert 

Subject: Re: croghan

To:  "Louise Said" <louise_fms@yahoo.com.au>

   

Hi Louise

Everything I have I put on my Cryan page [

http://geocities.com/caoimhghin/familyhistory.html

 ]

so the best thing is to download all the files

 and do

a search on Croghan. Also you could join the

 Cryan

list and then post all your details as there are

 many

researchers who know a lot on the different

 variations

of the name.

 

good luck with the search

caoimhghin

 

 

 

 

 

Patrick Cryans" <patrickfrancis@talktalk.net>  Add to Address Book  Add Mobile Alert 

To: CRYAN-L@rootsweb.com

Date: Sun, 20 May 2007 09:57:53 +0100

Subject: [CRYAN] The townland of Carrownamaddoo in the Parish of St John; s Sligo

   

Hi,

Anyone help with any info on the above townland ?

 I have turned my research

into the area as i have discovered a Owen Judge

 and Patt Cryan living side

by side according to the Tithe Records .In the

 Griffith's there is only Patt

Cryan shown i think a daughter Mary Cryan married

  a Patrick Hargadon about

1880 i think he may have been from a townland

 near Ballysadare but on the

1901 census they are shown as living in

 Carrownamaddoo.

I have sent off for copies of the Land records

 from Abbey Life (The

Valuation Office) Dublin they start about 1858

 -1950 to see what they show

as my family left about 1870 to live in Glasgow.

I have also found a death of a Patrick Cryan 1879

 in Anaghermore(not sure of

spelling) near Ballysadare my ancestor who was a

 Patrick was dead prior to

1880 so this could be a link.

Anyone have any info that could help please

 contact.Would anyone know what

would be the nearest church that they would have

 attended as St John's was a

way off to the north.

Patrick Cryans

 

 

 

 

Jeff" <vortex6066@yahoo.com.au>  Add to Address Book  Add Mobile Alert 

To: CRYAN@rootsweb.com

Date: Mon, 21 May 2007 10:33:25 +1200

Subject: [CRYAN] Doctor D. Cryan of Paisley, Glasgow

   

Hi,

Id like to ask if anyone knows about a Dr. D

 Cryan who was in Paisley, Glasgow in the 1960's.

Im trying to find out if he is still alive or

 not, as whe might have information about my

 grandmother.

Anything you can tell me would be greatly

 appreciated.

kind regards,

JEFF

New Zealand

 

 

 

cryan@rootsweb.com

Date: Mon, 21 May 2007 03:49:43 -0400

From: dtcryan@aol.com  Add to Address Book  Add Mobile Alert 

Subject: Re: [CRYAN] Doctor D. Cryan of Paisley, Glasgow

   

Hi Jeff,

 

Dr. Cryan was my uncle but he died in the 1970s.

 What information were you looking for regarding

 your grandmother ?

 

Best regards

 

Daniel Cryan

 

 

 

Patrick Cryans" <patrickfrancis@talktalk.net>  Add to Address Book  Add Mobile Alert 

To: cryan@rootsweb.com

Date: Mon, 21 May 2007 10:17:50 +0100

Subject: Re: [CRYAN] Doctor D. Cryan of Paisley, Glasgow

   

Hi Jeff,

May be the Dr Cryan was related to the Cryan's

 who left for the USA,they

were Martin Cryan and  a Daniel Cryan who

 originated from Co Roscommon being

the children of Daniel Cryan and i think a

 Margaret McDonagh.

They may have lived in the Maryhill area of

 Glasgow.

Patrick Cryans

 

 

 

cryan@rootsweb.com

Date: Mon, 21 May 2007 06:00:37 -0400

From: dtcryan@aol.com  Add to Address Book  Add Mobile Alert 

Subject: Re: [CRYAN] Doctor D. Cryan of Paisley, Glasgow

   

Just to clarify . Maryhill is a district in the

 west end of Glasgow . Paisley in a separate town

 or Burgh as we call them in Scotland, around 8

 miles away from Glasgow. There was only one Doctor

 Daniel Cryan in Paisley and he was my uncle. I

 don't know of any Doctor Cryan from Maryhill.

 

Regards

 

Daniel Cryan

 

 

 

Jeff" <vortex6066@yahoo.com.au>  Add to Address Book  Add Mobile Alert 

To: cryan@rootsweb.com

Date: Tue, 22 May 2007 08:05:07 +1200

Subject: Re: [CRYAN] Doctor D. Cryan of Paisley, Glasgow

   

Hi Daniel,

Thanks for replying.

My interest in Dr Cryan was a long shot, as his

 name appeared on the

recently discovered death certificate of my

 grandmother Helen Taylor, the

death was registered by her daughter Jean Krennen

 (Jane Taylor)  in 1961. My

mother was adopted at birth, so knew nothing of

 her birth mother or that she

had a sister. Have been trying to locate Jean.  -

 address was in Crawfurd

Drive, Paisley then in 1961. I thought if Dr

 Cryan was alive, he might have

known Jean as a patient, and what became of her.

regards,

JEFF

 

 

 

<vortex6066@yahoo.com.au>  Add to Address Book  Add Mobile Alert 

To: cryan@rootsweb.com

Date: Tue, 22 May 2007 08:41:26 +1200

Subject: Re: [CRYAN] Doctor D. Cryan of Paisley, Glasgow

   

Hi Daniel,

Another related question - would you know what

 sort of practice Dr Cryan

had? Im wondering if he had a partnership, and

 whether he handed over his

patients to another doctor before he retired?

 There may be another doctor

(alive) who has taken on his former patients.

JEFF

 

 

 

cryan@rootsweb.com

Date: Tue, 22 May 2007 03:44:14 -0400

From: dtcryan@aol.com  Add to Address Book  Add Mobile Alert 

Subject: Re: [CRYAN] Doctor D. Cryan of Paisley, Glasgow

   

Jeff,

 

My uncle was in General Practice together with

 Doctor Gray in Paisley during the sixties. I don't

 know whether he is still alive but given that it

 was 40 yrs ago and he wasn't a young man then, I

 would very much doubt it.

I don't know what happened to the practice as I

 was not living in the west of Scotland throughout

 the eighties.There have been a lot of changes in

 the National Health Service here over the last

 twenty years.

My uncle knew his patients pretty well but all

 that information died with him I'm afraid.

Sorry but maybe this isn't going to be a good

 line of enquiry.Good luck with your search.

 

Best regards

 

Daniel Cryan

 

 

 

vortex6066@yahoo.com.au>  Add to Address Book  Add Mobile Alert 

To: cryan@rootsweb.com

Date: Wed, 23 May 2007 08:16:35 +1200

Subject: Re: [CRYAN] Doctor D. Cryan of Paisley, Glasgow

   

Thanks for the information Daniel. It was a long

 shot, but thought idea was

worth following through on. Have lots of posts on

 various message boards,

but no leads so far.

All the best,

JEFF

 

 

Patrick Cryans" <patrickfrancis@talktalk.net>  Add to Address Book  Add Mobile Alert 

To: CRYAN-L@rootsweb.com

Date: Sat, 7 Jul 2007 18:13:22 +0100

Subject: [CRYAN] The McGuinn's

   

Hi All,

Does anyone have any info on the above family who

 lived in the St Johns

Parish of Sligo, there was a Catherine McGuinn

 who was married to a Patrick

Cryan and they had at least one daughter named

 Margaret born 1858. They

lived in a townland called Carrownamaddoo or

 Carrownamadda,quite near Loch

Gill.

Patrick

 

 

Thu, 27 Sep 2007 04:09:36 -0700 (PDT)

From: "Caoimhghin O Croidheain" <caoimhghin@yahoo.com>  View Contact Details   Add Mobile Alert 

To: "cryan list" <CRYAN-L@rootsweb.com>

Subject: [CRYAN] 1841 census

   

Dear all

There hasnt been much activity on the list for a

while. I have been busy with other things too. I

 am

hoping to go back to the Roscommon Herald

 archives

again soon in the National Library  to continue

 the

search for Cryan/Crean etc articles/references.

 

There seems to be more and more material

 computerised

and shown on sites such as Find my Past. Below is

 a

sample search for Cryan in the 1841 census. Is

 there

any point putting such lists on the Cryan List?

 Any

comments on what is useful for the list? Any new

material - specific or general that could be

 shared?

 

caoimhghin

 

 

1841 census person search results Your search has

returned 62 results. 

 

Search criteria used:

Last name : Cryan    Searching within :

 Households,

Institutions, Vessels   

 

http://www.findmypast.com/CensusPersonSearchResultServlet?pageDirection=next&recordPosition=50

 

Household CRYAN, Allice 5 F Manchester VIEW  VIEW

 

Household CRYAN, Andrew 15 M Stockport VIEW  VIEW

 

Household CRYAN, Ann 5 F Manchester VIEW  VIEW

Household CRYAN, Ann 12 F Manchester VIEW  VIEW

Household CRYAN, Ann 35 F Manchester VIEW  VIEW

Household CRYAN, Ann 15 F Manchester VIEW  VIEW

Household CRYAN, Benjamin 5 M Manchester VIEW

  VIEW

Household CRYAN, Bernard 30 M Manchester VIEW

  VIEW

Household CRYAN, Bridget 60 F Stockport VIEW

  VIEW

Household CRYAN, Bridget 12 F Chorley VIEW  VIEW

Household CRYAN, Bridget 30 F Bolton VIEW  VIEW

Household CRYAN, Bridget 20 F Manchester VIEW

  VIEW

Household CRYAN, Catharine 15 F Manchester VIEW

  VIEW

Household CRYAN, Catharine 15 F Manchester VIEW

  VIEW

Household CRYAN, Catharine 20 F Manchester VIEW

  VIEW

Household CRYAN, Edward 15 M Manchester VIEW

  VIEW

Household CRYAN, Elizabath 50 F Camberwell VIEW

  VIEW

Household CRYAN, Elizabeth 10 F Manchester VIEW

  VIEW

Household CRYAN, Ellen 70 F Manchester VIEW  VIEW

 

Household CRYAN, Ellen 15 F Manchester VIEW  VIEW

 

Household CRYAN, Ellen 45 F Manchester VIEW  VIEW

 

Household CRYAN, Hannah 35 F Bradford VIEW  VIEW

Household CRYAN, Hannah 1 F Bradford VIEW  VIEW

Household CRYAN, Harriet 3 F Manchester VIEW

  VIEW

Household CRYAN, Hooney 15 F Manchester VIEW

  VIEW

Household CRYAN, James 14 M Manchester VIEW  VIEW

 

Household CRYAN, James 5 M Manchester VIEW  VIEW

Household CRYAN, John 15 M Stockport VIEW  VIEW

Household CRYAN, John 35 M Bradford VIEW  VIEW

Household CRYAN, John 10 M Bradford VIEW  VIEW

Household CRYAN, John 10 M Manchester VIEW  VIEW

Household CRYAN, John 6 M Manchester VIEW  VIEW

Household CRYAN, John 10 M Manchester VIEW  VIEW

Household CRYAN, Julia 3 F Bradford VIEW  VIEW

Household CRYAN, Lawrence 30 M Chorley VIEW  VIEW

 

Household CRYAN, Lawrence 2 M Chorley VIEW  VIEW

Household CRYAN, Margaret 0 F Bolton VIEW  VIEW

Household CRYAN, Margret 0 F Manchester VIEW

  VIEW

Household CRYAN, Margret 20 F Manchester VIEW

  VIEW

Household CRYAN, Mary 19 F Stockport VIEW  VIEW

Household CRYAN, Mary 30 F Chorley VIEW  VIEW

Household CRYAN, Mary 7 F Bolton VIEW  VIEW

Household CRYAN, Mary 2 F Manchester VIEW  VIEW

Household CRYAN, Mary 15 F Manchester VIEW  VIEW

Household CRYAN, Mary 24 F Manchester VIEW  VIEW

Household CRYAN, Mary 20 F Manchester VIEW  VIEW

Household CRYAN, Michael 60 M Stockport VIEW

  VIEW

Household CRYAN, Michael 15 M Stockport VIEW

  VIEW

Household CRYAN, Michael 10 M Manchester VIEW

  VIEW

Household CRYAN, Micheal 8 M Chorley

Household CRYAN, Nancy 5 F Manchester VIEW  VIEW

Household CRYAN, Patrick 40 M Manchester VIEW

  VIEW

Household CRYAN, Patrick* 35 M Bolton VIEW  VIEW

Household CRYAN, Peter 3 M Bolton VIEW  VIEW

Household CRYAN, Philip 60 M Camberwell VIEW

  VIEW

Household CRYAN, Sarah 40 F Manchester VIEW  VIEW

 

Household CRYAN, Sarah 7 F Manchester VIEW  VIEW

Household CRYAN, Thomas 25 M Sheffield VIEW  VIEW

 

Household CRYAN, Thomas 3 M Manchester VIEW  VIEW

 

Household CRYAN, Thomas 50 M Manchester VIEW

  VIEW

Household CRYAN, William 45 M Manchester VIEW

  VIEW

Household CRYAN, Winefred 20 F Manchester

 

 

Thu, 27 Sep 2007 09:09:29 -0700 (PDT)

From:  "Nancy Fiore" <nancy_fiore@yahoo.com>  Add to Address Book  Add Mobile Alert 

To: cryan@rootsweb.com

Subject: Re: [CRYAN] 1841 census

   

Hello, Caoimhghin O Croidheain!

 

This is very helpful. It gives me another place

 to

look!

 

It is great to hear from you again! I just saw on

 a

website for www.Leitrim-Roscommon.com that the

 Crean

(spelled your way) bishop's throne was found and

bought from the old cathedral at Elphin. It has

 the

inscription on it that is the family motto of the

    O

Croidheain clan .

 

I have found references to Bishop Andrew O'Crean

around 1584 and then Daniel O'Crean in 1586. I

 believe

they are related to John O'Crean and his daughter

Annabella O'Crean. This is my family --

 originally

from Sligo. Is there a place to find more

 information

about these Bishop Crean ancestors?

 

I can never find much about my more direct

 Napoleon B.

(Bryan or Bonaparte) Crean and his wife Ann

 (Lewis?).

They are listed in Dublin on the 1851 census -

 right

before they left for New York and then went to

Chicago, Illinois, USA. I wonder what information

could be on that census - like family, church

 records

for marriages, babies, etc. They had Charles in

 1850

and William in 1851, but I don't know the church

 name.

Eliza Crean came over with them on June 24, 1851

 with

the 2 infants. Catherine (1855, New York) and

 James

Thomas (Thomas J., 1859, Chicago, Illinois) were

 born

in the USA.

 

We do have Andrew Crean and Arthur Bryan Crean as

descendents, so I am thinking that this family

 was

from Sligo, then Mayo, then Dublin. Does anybody

 have

hints to finding this family?

 

There are Napoleon Crane names in England, but I

 don't

know what family that is. John is listed as the

 father

of some people called Napoleon.

 

 

 

cryan@rootsweb.com

Date: Thu, 27 Sep 2007 14:30:05 -0400

From: sck32160@aol.com  Add to Address Book  Add Mobile Alert 

Subject: Re: [CRYAN] 1841 census

   

 

Hi Nancy,

 

 

 

I have little information other then my

 GGGrandmother was Catherine Crean from Tawnalaughta, CO.

 Sligo.? The Creans come from that small little

 place and I assume they are related to the

 "Creans"?that were well known?

 

Catherine Crean Married William Farris in 1866.?

 I have baptismal info with Creans on it from that

 time if you need it.? Catherine Crean's father's

 name was Michael Crean and her mother was

 Cecilia McGowan.

 

I would love to be able to trace back from there

 but that's as far back as my relations can tell

 me.? I have varified this information with Sligo

 records.

 

?????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????

 All The Best,

?????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????

 Chris Kennedy

 

 

 

Thu, 27 Sep 2007 13:58:54 -0700 (PDT)

From: "Caoimhghin O Croidheain" <caoimhghin@yahoo.com>  View Contact Details   Add Mobile Alert 

To: cryan@rootsweb.com

Subject: Re: [CRYAN] 1841 census

   

Hi Nancy

 

Where on the www.Leitrim-Roscommon.com site did

 you

read about the throne?

 

Have you seen pics of the throne on my site?

http://geocities.com/caoimhghin/familyhistory.html

 

 

caoimhghin

 

 

Thu, 27 Sep 2007 17:45:36 -0700 (PDT)

From:  "Nancy Fiore" <nancy_fiore@yahoo.com>  Add to Address Book  Add Mobile Alert 

To: cryan@rootsweb.com

Subject: Re: [CRYAN] 1841 census

   

Chris,

 

My Creans are older than yours by a lot, but

 maybe

your Catherine Crean is a sister to my Napoleon

 Crean!

 

I have dug around to know enough that John

 O'Crean

showed up around 1500 and had a daughter Arabella

O'Crean. Some people think they were from Donegal

 and

were related to Vikings since they knew how to

 sail

ships. They were ship merchants who did busines

 with

the O'Hara merchants - I heard they were

 storekeepers.

My mother is a Crean and an O'Hara (double

 O'Hara),

and both families were from Sligo. We had a Lady

O'Hara who owned land and a Bishop Crean. I found

 2

Bishop O'Crean names. I have double O'Hara on one

 side

- maybe they married their cousins! One side is

O'Hara-Clanely and the other is O'Hara-Callaghan.

 They

came from Leitrim but said they were from Sligo

 and so

were the Crean family - pronounced CRAY-ON by the

 old

folk. In America it was spelled like it sounded -

Crane on the census in Illinois.

 

I have also found out about the Crean-Lynch

 family of

Ballino, Mayo. I can guess that they are related

 due

to their names are like our American names.

 

We also have a Mary Ann Dillon and Agnes Lally

  and

Arthur Decker buried with our Creans near

 Chicago,

Illinois. The headstone said Crean-Lewis.

 

These relatives are impossible to find!!!

 

I live near Chicago, IL, USA. Where are you

 located?

 

What I know I do have online, but I don't know

 much

about them.

 

I can add you to my ancestry family tree if you

 like.

I am not a professional researcher, but I have

 done

well just fooling around.

 

My mother was so totally Irish that I took her to

Ireland to find relatives, but we only saw the

 Crean

name on a store and O'Hara in the phone book. She

called strangers and tried to find relations.

 They

wanted to know if she was wealthy! She just

 wanted to

share her joy of being Irish!

 

Everywhere we went we saw President Kennedy's

 photo in

every bar in town! It made us feel at home.  Any

relation of yours?

 

Nancy

 

 

Thu, 27 Sep 2007 17:50:30 -0700 (PDT)

From:  "Nancy Fiore" <nancy_fiore@yahoo.com>  Add to Address Book  Add Mobile Alert 

To: cryan@rootsweb.com

Subject: Re: [CRYAN] 1841 census

   

WOW!

 

Dominick Crean's sons were sailors! All that

 family

lore is true! I also found a Lawrence Crean in

 Jamaica

who is probably related.

 

The O'Hara papers have documents from Lawrence

 Crean

to the O'Hara family. It belongs to the archives.

 I

don't know what it says. Do you?

 

Nancy

 

 

 

Thu, 27 Sep 2007 18:03:01 -0700 (PDT)

From:  "Nancy Fiore" <nancy_fiore@yahoo.com>  Add to Address Book  Add Mobile Alert 

To: cryan@rootsweb.com

Subject: Re: [CRYAN] 1841 census

   

Did you know that supposedly the Crean family

 kept the

Catholic Church supplied with priests in Ireland?

 

My family also did that in America - William

 Crean was

a Jesuit and he taught at Loyola University in

 New

Orleans, Louisiana.

 

Nancy

 

 

Thu, 27 Sep 2007 19:00:11 -0700 (PDT)

From:  "Nancy Fiore" <nancy_fiore@yahoo.com>  Add to Address Book  Add Mobile Alert

Yahoo! DomainKeys has confirmed that this message was sent by yahoo.com. Learn more

Subject: Crean Boarding House in Dublin

To: caoimhghin@yahoo.com

   

I saw that the Crean family had a Crean boarding

 house

on a corner in Dublin.

 

My Napoleon and Ann Crean were in Dublin in 1851

 -

they are on the census.

 

How can I find out if they were staying at the

 Crean

house?

 

Nancy

 

 

 

SCK32160@aol.com  Add to Address Book  Add Mobile Alert 

Date: Thu, 27 Sep 2007 23:12:38 EDT

To: cryan@rootsweb.com

Subject: Re: [CRYAN] 1841 census

   

Hi Nancy,,

 

I live in New York.  All four of my grandparents

 came from Ireland in  the

1920's.  My maternal grandparents came from Sligo

 very close to the  Ballina,

Mayo border.  My mom still has several aunts(all

 in their 80's  & 90s) that live

in that area, we were just there this past May to

  visit.  I was lucky to

have known my Greatgrandparents when I was a boy

 we  went to Ireland  every

summer and stayed on their farm.  I am not a  pro

 at this either but I have been

accumulating information over the last twenty

  years.  My Granmothers sister who

is 93 told us this trip that she clearly

  remembers her Grandmother

Catherine(Katie) Crean and that her family were

 sea  merchants for generations.  On the

Baptismal list it has her brother  as Austin

 Crean, this is a very odd name

for this area.  I walked all the  cemeteries in

 the area and their are several

big Crean headstones.  I would  love to be added

 to your list as it may bring

me back several generations.   I can only go back

 to about 1800 as of this

moment.

 

PS- My Kennedy name comes from Limerick.  While

 we have no known  connections

to the Kennedy family from Massachusetts, I have

 just taken the  National

Geographic DNA test to see who I am connected to

 on the male  line.

 

                                               

                       ATB,

                                               

                       Chris

 

 

Fri, 28 Sep 2007 12:00:38 -0700 (PDT)

From:  "Nancy Fiore" <nancy_fiore@yahoo.com>  Add to Address Book  Add Mobile Alert 

To: cryan@rootsweb.com

Subject: Re: [CRYAN] 1841 census

   

Chris,

 

Wow! When I started, I didn't know anything but

 the

last name and Ireland! You are lucky to really

 know

what you do!

 

My Catherine was known as Kate Crean and then

 Kate

Crane because the government wanted the census to

 be

by sound.

 

I drove my mother nuts with questions and then

 had to

put the puzzle together.

 

The name Austin Crean is in Chicago with the rest

 of

us! Thanks for the hint!

 

I am trying to get my male Crean relatives to do

 the

DNA test, but the older ones are too scared. Now

 I

need to convince the next generation about why

 this is

important!

 

Do you know of a Lewis related to a Crean?

 

Nancy

 

Fri, 28 Sep 2007 12:18:33 -0700 (PDT)

From:  "Nancy Fiore" <nancy_fiore@yahoo.com>  Add to Address Book  Add Mobile Alert

Yahoo! DomainKeys has confirmed that this message was sent by yahoo.com. Learn more

Subject: re: Lawrence Crean 

To: "Caoimhghin O Croidheain" <caoimhghin@yahoo.com>

   

Hi, Caoimhghin!

 

Are you located in Ireland?

 

If you are confused that is because my research

 is

done on the Internet and it is hit or miss.

 

No, I never saw your gravestone. I did hear that

 there

was a gravestone honoring Andrew Crean near Sligo

port. Maybe you could add that one and the

 Ballina

gravestone marker to your website! I also found a

Crogan website that seems to be our family.

 

I found the name Laurence or Lawrence Crean in

 Jamaica

by accident while looking over "The O'Hara

 Papers"

information. They are kept in Ireland with other

historical documents. I found a page where you

 can buy

them, but I don't really know how to get the

 paper I

want - there is a massive amount of information

 in

those papers. I have to search the Internet to

 find

it.I just want to know what Crean wrote to the

 O'Hara

family!

 

No, I don't have any proof of heritage in Ireland

 from

anywhere except my mother's memory and the

 Internet.

Everything she told me has turned out to be true

though. The Crean family were sea merchants and

 did

live in Sligo. I found 2 Bishop Crean. I found 2

 Lady

O'Hara and that family also was in Sligo and they

 did

own land there. I did find my Napoleon in Dublin

 and I

found his boat. He also traveled with Eliza

 Crean, who

is also listed in Dublin.

 

I have made a family tree, but it is not

 professional.

It is on ancestry. I can let you see it. I just

 use

the USA information from relatives and then find

 what

I can on the Internet. My tree is guess and

 conjecture

with a some facts and documents. Anything about

Ireland is guess or hearsay. Anything in USA is

 more

factual.

 

I only use the name Crean, which can also be

 spelled

Crane on USA records since the census takers did

 not

ask how names were spelled. They wanted to save

 time

and wrote down what they heard - Crane. In 1870,

 every

Crean named was listed as Crane but that is not

 the

way the people really spelled their names.

 

Nancy

 

 

Fri, 28 Sep 2007 12:58:04 -0700 (PDT)

From:  "Nancy Fiore" <nancy_fiore@yahoo.com>  Add to Address Book  Add Mobile Alert

Yahoo! DomainKeys has confirmed that this message was sent by yahoo.com. Learn more

Subject: re: Lawrence Crean 

To: "Caoimhghin O Croidheain" <caoimhghin@yahoo.com>

   

O'Hara Papers in NLI, p. 149

Laurence Crean of Jamaica, formerly of County

 Sligo MS

20,288, 3 items, c. 17777-1787 He wrote 3 letter

 to

Charles OHara the younger and it is about

 Laurence

Crean's will.

 

Also mentions Kean O'Hara in Jamaica in the

 index.

 

Here is the reference from www.rootsweb.com:

 

IRL-SLIGO-L Archives

 

Archiver > IRL-SLIGO > 2005-05 > 1115046374

--------------------------------------------------------------------------------

 

 

From: MCasey863@aol.com

Subject: Re: [Sligo] O'Hara Papers in NLI

Date: Mon, 2 May 2005 11:06:14 EDT

 

 

In a message dated 5/1/2005 12:51:54 AM Eastern

Standard Time,

lacasita@pacbell.net writes:

 

> 

 http://www.nli.ie/pdfs/mss%20lists/oharasligo.pdf

>

>

 

This link works!

 

 

 

--------------------------------------------------------------------------------

 

This thread:

 

Re: [Sligo] O'Hara Papers in NLI by

 MCasey863@aol.com

 

RE: [Sligo] O'Hara Papers in NLI by "Laura Kaatz"

<lkaatz@sprintmail.com>

O'Hara Papers in NLI ctd. by Bill McGee

<wfmcgee@sympatico.ca>

Re: [Sligo] O'Hara Papers in NLI ctd. by Nancy

 Fiore

<nancy_fiore@yahoo.com>

Re: [Sligo] O'Hara Papers in NLI by RODSGENEALOGY

<RODSGENEALOGY@COX.NET>

Re: [Sligo] O'Hara Papers in NLI by "J. R. Egan"

<jegan1@san.rr.com>

Re: [Sligo] O'Hara Papers in NLI by Nancy Fiore

<nancy_fiore@yahoo.com>

 

 

 

 

 

SCK32160@aol.com  Add to Address Book  Add Mobile Alert 

Date: Fri, 28 Sep 2007 16:11:04 EDT

To: cryan@rootsweb.com

Subject: Re: [CRYAN] 1841 census

   

Hi Nancy,

 

Do you actually have an Austin Crean in your tree

 in Chicago?  I have  the

Irish phone book from 2007, I will look up any

 Crean/Crane/Cryan and let you 

know as they may be of interest to you.

 

Names connected to my Creans are McGowan,

 Kilcullen, Farris, Brady, Murray, 

Carty, Forde, Egan.  I have no Lewis' and I have

 never seen that name in  this

neck of the woods.  This was a very rural part of

 Ireland.

 

                                                

                             

                                        Regards,

                                               

                             

                                        Chris

 

 

Fri, 28 Sep 2007 14:31:22 -0700 (PDT)

From:  "Nancy Fiore" <nancy_fiore@yahoo.com>  Add to Address Book  Add Mobile Alert 

To: cryan@rootsweb.com

Subject: Re: [CRYAN] 1841 census

   

Hi, Chris.

 

Do you have any other first names of anyone named

Crean?

 

Do you have any Carey?

 

I thought that I saw that name and some other

 unusual

ones. I would have to look again.

 

Look over this website:

http://homepages.rootsweb.com/~cregan/surname.htm

 

Nancy

 

Fri, 28 Sep 2007 14:31:56 -0700 (PDT)

From:  "Nancy Fiore" <nancy_fiore@yahoo.com>  Add to Address Book  Add Mobile Alert

Yahoo! DomainKeys has confirmed that this message was sent by yahoo.com. Learn more

Subject: re: Lawrence Crean 

To: "Caoimhghin O Croidheain" <caoimhghin@yahoo.com>

   

Try this website:

 

http://homepages.rootsweb.com/~cregan/surname.htm

 

 

 

Fri, 28 Sep 2007 15:32:35 -0700 (PDT)

From:  "Nancy Fiore" <nancy_fiore@yahoo.com>  Add to Address Book  Add Mobile Alert 

To: cryan@rootsweb.com

Subject: Re: [CRYAN] 1841 census

   

Chris,

 

Yes, I have Austin Crane and his marriage

 records.

When in doubt, aim for Illinois. We are loaded

 with

Crean, which is spelled Crane on census records.

 We

also have Crain.

 

For old records, including Austin Crane, see

 this:

http://www.cyberdriveillinois.com/departments/archives/marriage.html

 

 

Fri, 28 Sep 2007 15:36:15 -0700 (PDT)

From:  "Nancy Fiore" <nancy_fiore@yahoo.com>  Add to Address Book  Add Mobile Alert 

To: cryan@rootsweb.com

Subject: Re: [CRYAN] 1841 census

   

Help from the great state of Illinois, USA

 

http://www.iltrails.org/ilrehelp.htm

 

 

 

Fri, 28 Sep 2007 17:23:57 -0700 (PDT)

From:  "Sean Crean" <sfcrean@yahoo.com>  Add to Address Book  Add Mobile Alert 

To: cryan@rootsweb.com,  nancy_fiore@yahoo.com

Subject: Re: [CRYAN] 1841 census

   

Hi Nancy,

 

Great reading the exchanges between you, Chris

 and

Caoimhghin.

 

If you've been on Caoimhghin's site then you must

 have

seen the photo of Dominic Crean's grave in Sligo

 Abbey

that I took a couple of years ago while visiting

 and

researching the family.

 

My branch of the Creans left Sligo and came to

 Belfast

in the 1830-40's

 

Do you actually have documentation linking you to

Lawrence Crean in Jamaica?  You'll see on the

 grave

that the stone was erected by Dominic's son James

Crean(of Jamaica).

 

My great Uncle (now deceased) had done some

 research

before he passed away in 1951. I recently found

 my

Great-grandfather Patrick's record of birth

 (circa

1841) in Belfast. His father was a James Crean

 and the

family oral history for us and through

 documentation

is that our Belfast Crean's migrated from Sligo

 up

there. My father was brought to the states in

 1922 as

a baby. My great-grandfather also was in the

 shipping

business in Belfast with his brother Michael.

 

There are several books that give good history of

 the

Crean's but not enough to piece a straight line

 just

yet.

 

First is Woodmartin's "History of Sligo". Second

 is "

The History of Sligo Town & County" by Archdeacon

O'Rourke. The third is "Power, Politics & Land -

 Sligo

1568-1688" by Mary O'Dowd. John Mc Ternan has a

 couple

of books on Sligo that recap from Woodmartin &

O'Rourke on the O'Crean history.  Finally the

 Annals

of the Four Masters first mentions the family in

Donegal in 1498 and it is here that most scholars

believe the roots of the family started prior to

migrating to Sligo where their fame and infamy

 gets

its greatest press!

 

My research has been put on hold for the past few

years but should you come up with anything else,

 I'll

be happy to share as my time allows.

 

Sean Crean

Rear Admiral, USN

 

 

Sun, 30 Sep 2007 17:50:26 -0700 (PDT)

From:  "Nancy Fiore" <nancy_fiore@yahoo.com>  Add to Address Book  Add Mobile Alert

Yahoo! DomainKeys has confirmed that this message was sent by yahoo.com. Learn more

Subject: Re: [Cryan et al.] Pronouncing Crean, Crane, Cryan, Craon, Crayon - 2 syllables

To: "Caoimhghin O Croidheain" <caoimhghin@yahoo.com>

   

I found out that my family pronounced the Crean

 name

with 2 syllables. Like Cre-an or Cray-on.

 

They were from Sligo. In America in Illinois, it

 was

spelled Crean, and then Crane mostly. We also

 have

Crain.

 

Nancy