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Date: Tue, 24
Jan 2006 07:19:16 EST
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brief Hello from a Cryans.......
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Hello Caoimhghin,
I've just found
your website while looking for some information on my family name, CRYANS.
Your site is
pretty amazing.
Most of my
family are in the
I am only just
starting to look into this family history stuff but I believe that my family
had moved from the
Well, just saying
hello really, and no need to bother replying as you must get zillions of
e-mails each day from family history buffs.
Cheerio the
noo,
Joe Cryans
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Date: 27 Jan
2006 00:07:02 +0000
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Me neither.
Hope all are well and do let us know
updates on your family
research. My
cryan lines come from Brogher
townland (
Swampscott,
and
(
in western
Karen
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Thought I would
post my CREEN family -- Nice to
hear from people! :) Katheen
Descendants of
John Creen
1
John CREEN b: in
.. +Anna "Annie" MINER b: January 1854
in
... 2 Rufus Joseph CREEN b: May 1885
in
....... +Charlotte "Lottie"
KERNER b:
November 27, 1886 in
in
......... 3
Isabell M. CREEN b:
October 5, 1905 in
............. +Lester Aloyisius O'DONNELL
b: August 30, 1908 in
Flatbush,
in
1923 in
......... 3
Rufus Joseph CREEN, Jr. b:
December 15, 1908 in New
............. +Eleanor A. m:
October 2, 1910
......... 3 Jessica CREEN b: 1912
... 2
Isabella CREEN b: February 1882
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Date: Tue, 31
Jan 2006 13:21:19 -0000
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Subject: [Cryan
et al.] update
Hi everyone,
Regarding the
name my family who moved from
in 1870 to
name on various
documents as, Crinn Creon Cryan
Crean Creighan and finally
Cryans,when you
have an Irishman relaying info to
a Scotsman they most
probably got as
near phonetically as possible. I
do think that it also
depends on
where you lived re.dialect etc. in
Ballymote they tend to say
Crine as
opposed to Cry -an,where as the further
south you go say towards
Roscommon and
Leitrim(Carrick on
say Cry-an in Mayo they would
say Cre-han.If
you look up the various records
for Tawnagh Parish
(Riverstown)
is Krine.
Can anyone help
me with regard to my family, my
grandfather was Patrick
Cryan ,he had
10 children 9 boys 1girl he named
his first son after his
father Owen and
the others were the usual ones
Joseph John's etc and a
Patrick who
died aged 15 years,but i noticed that
only my father named me
after his
father,when you think there were over
35 grandchildren but only
one named after
the grandfather unusual? would
this be due to superstition
because my
Uncle Patrick died so young,any
thought's.
Best wishes
Patrick
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Date: Thu, 2
Feb 2006 10:35:08 -0000
Hello,
I came across
some of your entries by accident in a Google Search. A lot of the places the Cryan Family come
from are Townlands in the Parish of Boyle, Co. Roscommon. Estersnow is in the Parish of Croghan. Kiltycreighton – not Cultacreighton, is in
the parish of Boyle. Maybe I can help?
Laura
Sun, 14 May
2006 04:07:42 -0700 (PDT)
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Subject: [Cryan
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Hi
Has anyone seen
this site or got any more
information
about this John
Creane?
http://www.irishwarmemorials.ie/html/persons.html
Creane, John
(Seán Ó Croidheáin) Civil War
IRA
Taghmon Civil War Memorial Private; put to
death
13 March
1923.
caoimhghin
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Date: Sun, 14
May 2006 18:13:34 -0500
Very
interesting, Caoimhghin.
I seem to
recall coming across his name a number
of years ago; let us say
about 20 or 25,
if I am not mistaken. I vaguely
recall that he was tried
and convicted
and then shot in
went back to do further
research on
him, I could not find any reference
and due to my somewhat
addled mind, I
could not recall where I saw the
original reference. So
please, do not
ask me. I am approaching the age
where I have to remember
whether or not
I put my pants on before I go out
of the house.
On the other
hand, since he was a Wexford man, he
is no doubt descended from
the Cranes or
Creanes of Slovey,
That is where I found the
heaviest
concentration of this branch of the
family.
I have made mention of
that fact in my
book, "Green Is The Valley, Blue
Are The Hills." The
Creanes or
Cranes of Slovey devoted over 30 sons
and daughters to the
Catholic clergy
going back to 1690. I had the
distinct honor of visiting
with and
shaking the hand of Peter Crane who was
the last male surviving
member of that
family. Peter, God rest his soul,
died in December of 1983.
A further note
is the fact that it has been
believed by some others that
this branch of
the Cranes were of
extraction.
Now that the Irish
spelling of his
name has been definitely
identified as being "Croidheain"
that puts him
and, more than likely, the rest of
the Cranes of Wexford in
the direct line
of Irish ancestry such as
yourself.
Given enough
time; that is, provided we should
live long enough to see it
come about,
much of our interest in Irish
genealogy will be satisfied.
Thanks to your
eagle eye, Caoimhghin, another
mystery may have been solved.
God bless,
Tom Crane (
P.S. For those who might be interested, my book
is posted on the website,
"Fethard
At Home" and can be read in its entirety
free of charge. The URL
is
http://fethard.com/crane Have a nice
day!
Fri, 2 Jun 2006
10:41:57 -0700 (PDT)
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Subject: [Cryan
et al.] Sinn Fein and Republican Suspects 1899-1921
Dear all
Eneclann in
conjunction with the Public Records
Office,
publication of
the
files on
individual Sinn
Fein and Republican suspects
between
1899 and 1921
Item # CD15
Price: €49.90
or US$49.95 (plus postage &
packing)
Library/Network
editions contact us for price.
ISBN
1-905118-05-8 [CD Version]; 1-905118-06-6
[DVD
Version]
Sinn Fein and
Republican Suspects 1899-1921
Dublin Castle
Special Branch Files CO 904
(193-216)
List of
individuals with files:
Crean, Jeremiah
(CO904/197/84)
http://eneclann.ie/publications-17-list.asp
caoimhghin
Fri, 2 Jun 2006
10:43:39 -0700 (PDT)
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Subject: [Cryan
et al.] Cryan Article in Irish Roots
Dear all
An article I
wrote on my grand uncle, Stephen
Cryan,
has been
published in the current issue of Irish
Roots.
caoimhghin
Fri, 2 Jun 2006
11:10:17 -0700 (PDT)
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Subject: [Cryan
et al.] cryan, crean, crehan in irish newspaper archives
Dear all
The Irish
Newspaper Archives extends to over 1
million
pages of Irish
news publications at present.
Irish
Newspaper
Archive Ltd is launching this
comprehensive
website on
behalf of Irish newspaper proprietors
and
is marketing
this site directly to libraries,
universities
and individuals around the world on
a
subscription
basis. This archive consists of
continuous news
publications from 1763 up to
current
month.
These papers
are on-line:
Freemans
Journal
Irish Farmers
Journal
Irish
Independent
Leitrim
Observer
Meath Chronicle
Sunday
Independent
The Anglo-celt
The
The Tuam Herald
I did a search
for
Cryan and got
3962 results,
8832 for crean
1867 for crehan
http://irishnewspaperarchives.com/
You can use
this site for free to get lists of
references but
must pay to get details. If anyone
does
use the site I
am sure it would very much
appreciated
if any new
material or references were posted to
the
list.
regards
caoimhghin
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Subject: [Cryan
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Hi all,
Just obtained
my results from the above test, and
the man at Family Tree
DNA( Austin
Rock) informs me that my origins are
in Mid-
coincides with
what a Dr Michael Cryan (Salthill
years ago, that
there is a family legend and a
map showing the Cryne family
in what would
be called Tyrone. The map by
Baptista Boazio dated 1599 is
available from
the
family originated in Keash Co
Bernard, Michael moving to the
townland of
Knocknaskea,Killavill near Gurteen
staying in
Keash. A descendent Thomas Cryan lives
in Knocknaskea on the
original farm.
Don't forget if any male Cryan's
would like to carry out the
DNA test
contact Family Tree on the internet it
is very easy.
Patrick
Mon, 12 Jun
2006 18:32:15 -0400
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Hi Patrick,
Am so jealous :-)
My mother, Eileen Cryan, was an only child
and I haven't found a
direct-line
male Cryan descendant going all the
way back to my
great-grandfather
and his brothers.
Please keep us posted on any matches.
Maureen
Nantista
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Date: 10 Jul
2006 19:51:55 +0000
As Pat Cryans
explained, I think for family gen.
they test the male line
only. I've seen
it advertised through ROOTSWEB or
Ancestry.com. Please let
us know test
results though. It's interesting
stuff, and the NY Times
featured an
article on DNA testing and geneology
a few months ago. Best,
Karen
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I am very
interested in doing the DNA testing but
being a female, all I
would be able
to learn about would be my mom's
side. I
AM interested in her
side but really
wanted to find out my Crehan
family which is on my dad's
side. So, at this point, I don't know if it's
worth it.
Any suggestions?
Crystal Hamel
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Subject: [Cryan
et al.] Another question
Does it matter
which DNA test group you use? I
was thinking about the
National
Geographic DNA testing they have. Does
anyone know which group is
better to use?
Fri, 21 Jul
2006 09:31:39 -0600
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We are proud to
announce the birth of our first
grandchild, Alexys Marie
Grone Wolberg,
born July 17th. Grandma is an
O'Donnell! She is adorable! To
see photos go
to flickr below! We are rejoicing!
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Date: Wed, 18
Oct 2006 17:33:48 +0100
Subject:
[CRYAN] DNA
Hi,
Just thought i
would try again with this request
, anyone interested in
taking the test
with Family Tree DNA the cost for
the cheapest test is £
50.00(FIFTY) i
and another cryan have taken the
test but we need other
cryan's to join
in.
You will need
to be a male cryan for this
y-chromosome test,it will resolve
the cryan
-crean debate as well.
Patrick
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[CRYAN] DNA
Date: Thu, 19
Oct 2006 09:33:04 +0100
Hi Caoimhghin,
I started with
THE 12 marker cost $149 then went
for the 25 marker and have
now gone for 37
marker as the other cryan are 2
markers out so i have been
advised to go
for the 37 marker,please look at
the site i would be
interested in
any comments you might have i know
some people may think it is
good way to
poor money down the drain but it will
help out with Crean Cryan
etc.
My own markers
have indicated a close link to a
Faughnan family in Leitrim.
Let me know
your views Patrick
Mon, 23 Oct
2006 17:43:47 -0700 (PDT)
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Subject:
[CRYAN] New book on culture and Irish - 'Language from Below'
Dear all,
I know that
this book does not refer to Cryans
[other
than it has
been written by a Cryan!] but some
researchers may
find its history of Irish
nationalism
and the Irish
language interesting for background
material.
Therefore I announce that my PhD thesis
has
finally been
published by Peter Lang academic
publishers. It
is entitled 'Language from Below:
The
Irish Language,
Ideology and Power in 20th
Century
More
information about the book may be found at:
http://gaelart.net/lfbpage.html
I hope this of
some interest to the members of
the list.
Caoimhghin Ó
Croidheáin
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Subject:
[CRYAN]
Hi,
Can anyone let
me know if they have any info
regarding books called House
and Tenure with
regard to the above records. It
is possible that they have
a little more
info than the actual
Valuation.
Patrick
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Date: Thu, 23
Nov 2006 15:39:55 -0000
Hi Kevin.
My brother John
Paul Crean met you several years ago at a meeting in
He said that
you were looking up the ancestors of the Crean Family. He gave me this e-mail
address but
I had lost it
and have only just found itagain. I did attempt to trace you on a web site but
I am not sure if it
was you that I
turned up. Sadly my brother died three years ago, he is buried in Athlegue
cemetery in
Roscommon.
My father was
John Crean from Loughglynn he was born March 30 1893 and died in Northenden,
20th October
1967. His wife Martha Finan was also from Loughglynn and she outlived him by
just four years.
If you can shed
any light on the family history I would be pleased to hear it.
I look
forward to hear from you.
With regards
Ann Simpson (nee Crean)
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[CRYAN] Tithe Records
Hi,
Does anyone
have any of the above for the County
Roscommon -Ardcarn Parish-
Cryanstown(Aghrafinigan)
Townland.
Patrick
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Date: Mon, 05
Mar 2007 18:41:33 +0000
Hi -
My name is Paul
Gunning, I am from
I read your
comments regarding an inscription with the O'Crean family motto - ie Within Me
Place a Pure Heart etc.
I too was
curious if the said chair had anything to do with Bishop Crean, along with
anything as to its provenance. It is possible, however, the Creans were in
I have been
researching the Sligo Creans for about a year.
Any assistance
would be great.
Regards
Paul G.
Mon, 5 Mar 2007
16:25:05 -0800 (PST)
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Creans - Roscommon/Sligo
To: "paul
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Dear Paul
Delighted to
hear you are doing some research on
the
Creans. I
assunme you saw the pics at
http://geocities.com/caoimhghin/throne.html
I am afraid I
dont know anymore than you. It must
have
been associated
with crean bishop with that crean
motto carved on
it. I suppose if the chair was
evaluated by an
antiques expert then we could see
which bishops
there were at the time.
How is Father
Leonard?
If you have any
Crean material would you be able
to
put it on the
cryan list on rootsweb.com? [Are
you on
the cryan list?
Have you seen
http://geocities.com/caoimhghin/familyhistory.html?]
best regards
caoimhghin
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Date: Wed, 07
Mar 2007 11:24:34 +0000
Dear Caoimhghin
Thanks for your
prompt reply and helpful link. I didn't actually see the picture previous to
your email. I would be amazed and thrilled to discover if the connection with
the Creans of Sligo is proven.
I searched
eagerly to if there was any indication of the Creans' families crest -- but I
couldn't see it -- however, it may have been there in the past, or alternately
it may be there on closer inspection. Some might the motto, being a direct
Bibilical quote is merely coincidental, however I think it is fair to say, on
the balance of probabilities, it is most likely in some way associated with the
Creans, considering their ecclesiastical associations in the North-West of
Ireland.
As an aside,
considering the Creans' maritime associations, it is ironically apt, that it
was decided to transfix a helm upon the Throne!!
In any event,
you may be aware, that Dr Douglas Hyde has strong south Sligo links with his
father was a Rector in Geevagh, Co Sligo (my mother's native parish) when he
was born -- apparently he was born, when his mother was on a short visit to her
family in Frenchpark.
As to the
fFrenches of Frenchpark - they too -- like the Crean clan -- have very strong
medieval
I believe, the
Frenchs, along with the Creans, were the most notable
You are aware,
I am sure, of the fact that Bishop Crean - had the notable distinction of being
simulateanously, the Bishop of Elphin for the Established Church and the Roman
Catholic Church. To become the Established Bishop he had to travel
As, like so
many of the Creans of Sligo Town, successfully straddled, intra-Gaelic worlds
between Lower Connaught and Tyrconnell, along with the advancing despite the
turbulent relationships between the Irish and English, it came as no surprise
that Bishop Crean achieved this feat of ecumenicalism!
It is generally
assumed, Sligo Abbey, in which this throne -- if it belonged to Bishop Crean --
was destroyed in 1641, burned by the Cromwellian leader, and successfully
Planter Francis Hamilton, by my research shows this to be propaganda and
untrue. The imputation is that the fabric and materials within the Abbey were
destroyed -- which was again compounded by the inequities during the Penal Era.
However, these assertions are somewhat simplistic and erroneous historically.
I would have
thought any artefacts belonging to the Creans of this nature, would have been
coveted by the prestigious and high-ranking Creans in
I too would
love to have the throne inspected and appraised, by an expert so to have it
dated and acquire some information regarding its provenance, with particular
reference to its wood, style, joints etc so as to date it accurately.
My first
impression is that it could hardly be Elizabethan -- then again, some elements
of it could have been incorporated into a pre-existing Throne. Also, the Latin
phrase, which was synonymous with Sligo/Gaelic and ultimately Catholic
overtones would have have found favour in the C17th/C18th Sligo which outside
of Ulster was the most Protestant urban centre in Ireland, so this particular
piece of furniture may have become repugnant to the Faithful in Sligo.
In any event,
let's see. It's a wonderful find with potentially huge significance concerning
the travails of the Creans of Sligo Town.
I have been
researching, with the view to publish a book regarding the history of
I have
attempted, to pen my research over the Christmas, it rapidly expanded to 100 A4
pages, to I haven't had the time to finialise my research and theories -- as I
am taking by final exams in Kings Inns. Until then, I won't be in a position to
add anything to the Cryan thread.
Once again,
thanks for your help and emails. Talk to you soon.
Regards
Paul Gunning
Wed, 9 May 2007
05:11:27 -0700 (PDT)
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To: "Louise Said"
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Hi Louise
Everything I
have I put on my Cryan page [
http://geocities.com/caoimhghin/familyhistory.html
]
so the best
thing is to download all the files
and do
a search on
Croghan. Also you could join the
Cryan
list and then
post all your details as there are
many
researchers who
know a lot on the different
variations
of the name.
good luck with
the search
caoimhghin
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Subject:
[CRYAN] The townland of Carrownamaddoo in the Parish of St John; s
Hi,
Anyone help
with any info on the above townland ?
I have turned my research
into the area
as i have discovered a Owen Judge
and Patt Cryan living side
by side
according to the Tithe Records .In the
Cryan shown i
think a daughter Mary Cryan married
a Patrick Hargadon about
1880 i think he
may have been from a townland
near Ballysadare but on the
1901 census
they are shown as living in
Carrownamaddoo.
I have sent off
for copies of the Land records
from Abbey Life (The
Valuation
Office)
-1950 to see what they show
as my family
left about 1870 to live in
I have also
found a death of a Patrick Cryan 1879
in Anaghermore(not sure of
spelling) near
Ballysadare my ancestor who was a
Patrick was dead prior to
1880 so this
could be a link.
Anyone have any
info that could help please
contact.Would anyone know what
would be the
nearest church that they would have
attended as
way off to the
north.
Patrick Cryans
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Subject:
[CRYAN] Doctor D. Cryan of Paisley,
Hi,
Id like to ask
if anyone knows about a Dr. D
Cryan who was in Paisley,
Im trying to
find out if he is still alive or
not, as whe might have information about my
grandmother.
Anything you can
tell me would be greatly
appreciated.
kind regards,
JEFF
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Date: Mon, 21
May 2007 03:49:43 -0400
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[CRYAN] Doctor D. Cryan of Paisley,
Hi Jeff,
Dr. Cryan was
my uncle but he died in the 1970s.
What information were you looking for
regarding
your grandmother ?
Best regards
Daniel Cryan
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May 2007 10:17:50 +0100
Subject: Re:
[CRYAN] Doctor D. Cryan of Paisley,
Hi Jeff,
May be the Dr
Cryan was related to the Cryan's
who left for the
were Martin
Cryan and a Daniel Cryan who
originated from Co Roscommon being
the children of
Daniel Cryan and i think a
Margaret McDonagh.
They may have
lived in the Maryhill area of
Patrick Cryans
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Date: Mon, 21
May 2007 06:00:37 -0400
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Just to clarify
. Maryhill is a district in the
west end of
or Burgh as we call them in
miles away from
Daniel Cryan in
don't know of any Doctor Cryan from Maryhill.
Regards
Daniel Cryan
Jeff"
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Date: Tue, 22
May 2007 08:05:07 +1200
Subject: Re:
[CRYAN] Doctor D. Cryan of Paisley,
Hi Daniel,
Thanks for
replying.
My interest in
Dr Cryan was a long shot, as his
name appeared on the
recently
discovered death certificate of my
grandmother Helen Taylor, the
death was
registered by her daughter Jean Krennen
(Jane Taylor)
in 1961. My
mother was
adopted at birth, so knew nothing of
her birth mother or that she
had a sister.
Have been trying to locate Jean. -
address was in Crawfurd
Drive,
Cryan was alive, he might have
known Jean as a
patient, and what became of her.
regards,
JEFF
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Date: Tue, 22 May
2007 08:41:26 +1200
Subject: Re:
[CRYAN] Doctor D. Cryan of Paisley,
Hi Daniel,
Another related
question - would you know what
sort of practice Dr Cryan
had? Im
wondering if he had a partnership, and
whether he handed over his
patients to
another doctor before he retired?
There may be another doctor
(alive) who has
taken on his former patients.
JEFF
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Date: Tue, 22
May 2007 03:44:14 -0400
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Jeff,
My uncle was in
General Practice together with
Doctor Gray in
know whether he is still alive but given that
it
was 40 yrs ago and he wasn't a young man then,
I
would very much doubt it.
I don't know
what happened to the practice as I
was not living in the west of
the eighties.There have been a lot of changes
in
the National Health Service here over the last
twenty years.
My uncle knew
his patients pretty well but all
that information died with him I'm afraid.
Sorry but maybe
this isn't going to be a good
line of enquiry.Good luck with your search.
Best regards
Daniel Cryan
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Date: Wed, 23
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Subject: Re:
[CRYAN] Doctor D. Cryan of Paisley,
Thanks for the
information Daniel. It was a long
shot, but thought idea was
worth following
through on. Have lots of posts on
various message boards,
but no leads so
far.
All the best,
JEFF
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Date: Sat, 7
Jul 2007 18:13:22 +0100
Subject:
[CRYAN] The McGuinn's
Hi All,
Does anyone
have any info on the above family who
lived in the St Johns
Parish of
Sligo, there was a Catherine McGuinn
who was married to a Patrick
Cryan and they
had at least one daughter named
Margaret born 1858. They
lived in a townland
called Carrownamaddoo or
Carrownamadda,quite near Loch
Gill.
Patrick
Thu, 27 Sep
2007 04:09:36 -0700 (PDT)
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Subject:
[CRYAN] 1841 census
Dear all
There hasnt
been much activity on the list for a
while. I have
been busy with other things too. I
am
hoping to go
back to the Roscommon Herald
archives
again soon in
the National Library to continue
the
search for
Cryan/Crean etc articles/references.
There seems to
be more and more material
computerised
and shown on
sites such as Find my Past. Below is
a
sample search
for Cryan in the 1841 census. Is
there
any point
putting such lists on the Cryan List?
Any
comments on
what is useful for the list? Any new
material -
specific or general that could be
shared?
caoimhghin
1841 census
person search results Your search has
returned 62
results.
Search criteria
used:
Last name :
Cryan Searching within :
Households,
Institutions,
Vessels
http://www.findmypast.com/CensusPersonSearchResultServlet?pageDirection=next&recordPosition=50
Household
CRYAN, Allice 5 F Manchester VIEW VIEW
Household
CRYAN, Andrew 15 M Stockport VIEW VIEW
Household
CRYAN, Ann 5 F Manchester VIEW VIEW
Household
CRYAN, Ann 12 F Manchester VIEW VIEW
Household
CRYAN, Ann 35 F Manchester VIEW VIEW
Household
CRYAN, Ann 15 F Manchester VIEW VIEW
Household
CRYAN, Benjamin 5 M Manchester VIEW
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Household
CRYAN, Bernard 30 M Manchester VIEW
VIEW
Household
CRYAN, Bridget 60 F Stockport VIEW
VIEW
Household
CRYAN, Bridget 12 F Chorley VIEW VIEW
Household
CRYAN, Bridget 30 F Bolton VIEW VIEW
Household
CRYAN, Bridget 20 F Manchester VIEW
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Household CRYAN,
Catharine 15 F Manchester VIEW
VIEW
Household
CRYAN, Catharine 15 F Manchester VIEW
VIEW
Household
CRYAN, Catharine 20 F Manchester VIEW
VIEW
Household
CRYAN, Edward 15 M Manchester VIEW
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Household
CRYAN, Elizabath 50 F Camberwell VIEW
VIEW
Household
CRYAN, Elizabeth 10 F Manchester VIEW
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Household
CRYAN, Ellen 70 F Manchester VIEW VIEW
Household
CRYAN, Ellen 15 F Manchester VIEW VIEW
Household
CRYAN, Ellen 45 F Manchester VIEW VIEW
Household
CRYAN, Hannah 35 F Bradford VIEW VIEW
Household
CRYAN, Hannah 1 F Bradford VIEW VIEW
Household
CRYAN, Harriet 3 F Manchester VIEW
VIEW
Household
CRYAN, Hooney 15 F Manchester VIEW
VIEW
Household
CRYAN, James 14 M Manchester VIEW VIEW
Household
CRYAN, James 5 M Manchester VIEW VIEW
Household
CRYAN, John 15 M Stockport VIEW VIEW
Household
CRYAN, John 35 M Bradford VIEW VIEW
Household
CRYAN, John 10 M Bradford VIEW VIEW
Household
CRYAN, John 10 M Manchester VIEW VIEW
Household
CRYAN, John 6 M Manchester VIEW VIEW
Household
CRYAN, John 10 M Manchester VIEW VIEW
Household
CRYAN, Julia 3 F Bradford VIEW VIEW
Household
CRYAN, Lawrence 30 M Chorley VIEW VIEW
Household
CRYAN, Lawrence 2 M Chorley VIEW VIEW
Household
CRYAN, Margaret 0 F Bolton VIEW VIEW
Household
CRYAN, Margret 0 F Manchester VIEW
VIEW
Household
CRYAN, Margret 20 F Manchester VIEW
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Household
CRYAN, Mary 19 F Stockport VIEW VIEW
Household
CRYAN, Mary 30 F Chorley VIEW VIEW
Household
CRYAN, Mary 7 F Bolton VIEW VIEW
Household CRYAN,
Mary 2 F Manchester VIEW VIEW
Household
CRYAN, Mary 15 F Manchester VIEW VIEW
Household
CRYAN, Mary 24 F Manchester VIEW VIEW
Household
CRYAN, Mary 20 F Manchester VIEW VIEW
Household
CRYAN, Michael 60 M Stockport VIEW
VIEW
Household CRYAN,
Michael 15 M Stockport VIEW
VIEW
Household
CRYAN, Michael 10 M Manchester VIEW
VIEW
Household
CRYAN, Micheal 8 M Chorley
Household
CRYAN, Nancy 5 F Manchester VIEW VIEW
Household
CRYAN, Patrick 40 M Manchester VIEW
VIEW
Household
CRYAN, Patrick* 35 M Bolton VIEW VIEW
Household
CRYAN, Peter 3 M Bolton VIEW VIEW
Household
CRYAN, Philip 60 M Camberwell VIEW
VIEW
Household
CRYAN, Sarah 40 F Manchester VIEW VIEW
Household
CRYAN, Sarah 7 F Manchester VIEW VIEW
Household
CRYAN, Thomas 25 M Sheffield VIEW VIEW
Household
CRYAN, Thomas 3 M Manchester VIEW VIEW
Household
CRYAN, Thomas 50 M Manchester VIEW
VIEW
Household
CRYAN, William 45 M Manchester VIEW
VIEW
Household
CRYAN, Winefred 20 F Manchester
Thu, 27 Sep
2007 09:09:29 -0700 (PDT)
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Hello,
Caoimhghin O Croidheain!
This is very
helpful. It gives me another place
to
look!
It is great to
hear from you again! I just saw on
a
website for
www.Leitrim-Roscommon.com that the
Crean
(spelled your
way) bishop's throne was found and
bought from the
old cathedral at Elphin. It has
the
inscription on
it that is the family motto of the
O
Croidheain clan
.
I have found
references to Bishop Andrew O'Crean
around 1584 and
then Daniel O'Crean in 1586. I
believe
they are
related to John O'Crean and his daughter
Annabella
O'Crean. This is my family --
originally
from Sligo. Is
there a place to find more
information
about these
Bishop Crean ancestors?
I can never
find much about my more direct
Napoleon B.
(Bryan or
Bonaparte) Crean and his wife Ann
(Lewis?).
They are listed
in Dublin on the 1851 census -
right
before they
left for New York and then went to
Chicago,
Illinois, USA. I wonder what information
could be on
that census - like family, church
records
for marriages,
babies, etc. They had Charles in
1850
and William in
1851, but I don't know the church
name.
Eliza Crean
came over with them on June 24, 1851
with
the 2 infants.
Catherine (1855, New York) and
James
Thomas (Thomas
J., 1859, Chicago, Illinois) were
born
in the USA.
We do have
Andrew Crean and Arthur Bryan Crean as
descendents, so
I am thinking that this family
was
from Sligo,
then Mayo, then Dublin. Does anybody
have
hints to
finding this family?
There are
Napoleon Crane names in England, but I
don't
know what
family that is. John is listed as the
father
of some people
called Napoleon.
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Date: Thu, 27
Sep 2007 14:30:05 -0400
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Hi Nancy,
I have little
information other then my
GGGrandmother was Catherine Crean from
Tawnalaughta, CO.
Sligo.? The Creans come from that small little
place and I assume they are related to the
"Creans"?that were well known?
Catherine Crean
Married William Farris in 1866.?
I have baptismal info with Creans on it from
that
time if you need it.? Catherine Crean's
father's
name was Michael Crean and her mother was
Cecilia McGowan.
I would love to
be able to trace back from there
but that's as far back as my relations can
tell
me.? I have varified this information with
Sligo
records.
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All The Best,
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Thu, 27 Sep
2007 13:58:54 -0700 (PDT)
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Hi Nancy
Where on the
www.Leitrim-Roscommon.com site did
you
read about the
throne?
Have you seen
pics of the throne on my site?
http://geocities.com/caoimhghin/familyhistory.html
caoimhghin
Thu, 27 Sep
2007 17:45:36 -0700 (PDT)
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Chris,
My Creans are
older than yours by a lot, but
maybe
your Catherine
Crean is a sister to my Napoleon
Crean!
I have dug
around to know enough that John
O'Crean
showed up
around 1500 and had a daughter Arabella
O'Crean. Some
people think they were from Donegal
and
were related to
Vikings since they knew how to
sail
ships. They
were ship merchants who did busines
with
the O'Hara
merchants - I heard they were
storekeepers.
My mother is a
Crean and an O'Hara (double
O'Hara),
and both
families were from Sligo. We had a Lady
O'Hara who owned
land and a Bishop Crean. I found
2
Bishop O'Crean
names. I have double O'Hara on one
side
- maybe they
married their cousins! One side is
O'Hara-Clanely
and the other is O'Hara-Callaghan.
They
came from
Leitrim but said they were from Sligo
and so
were the Crean
family - pronounced CRAY-ON by the
old
folk. In
America it was spelled like it sounded -
Crane on the
census in Illinois.
I have also
found out about the Crean-Lynch
family of
Ballino, Mayo.
I can guess that they are related
due
to their names
are like our American names.
We also have a
Mary Ann Dillon and Agnes Lally
and
Arthur Decker
buried with our Creans near
Chicago,
Illinois. The
headstone said Crean-Lewis.
These relatives
are impossible to find!!!
I live near
Chicago, IL, USA. Where are you
located?
What I know I
do have online, but I don't know
much
about them.
I can add you
to my ancestry family tree if you
like.
I am not a
professional researcher, but I have
done
well just
fooling around.
My mother was
so totally Irish that I took her to
Ireland to find
relatives, but we only saw the
Crean
name on a store
and O'Hara in the phone book. She
called
strangers and tried to find relations.
They
wanted to know
if she was wealthy! She just
wanted to
share her joy
of being Irish!
Everywhere we
went we saw President Kennedy's
photo in
every bar in
town! It made us feel at home. Any
relation of
yours?
Nancy
Thu, 27 Sep
2007 17:50:30 -0700 (PDT)
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WOW!
Dominick
Crean's sons were sailors! All that
family
lore is true! I
also found a Lawrence Crean in
Jamaica
who is probably
related.
The O'Hara
papers have documents from Lawrence
Crean
to the O'Hara
family. It belongs to the archives.
I
don't know what
it says. Do you?
Nancy
Thu, 27 Sep
2007 18:03:01 -0700 (PDT)
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Did you know
that supposedly the Crean family
kept the
Catholic Church
supplied with priests in Ireland?
My family also
did that in America - William
Crean was
a Jesuit and he
taught at Loyola University in
New
Orleans,
Louisiana.
Nancy
Thu, 27 Sep
2007 19:00:11 -0700 (PDT)
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I saw that the
Crean family had a Crean boarding
house
on a corner in
Dublin.
My Napoleon and
Ann Crean were in Dublin in 1851
-
they are on the
census.
How can I find
out if they were staying at the
Crean
house?
Nancy
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Hi Nancy,,
I live in New
York. All four of my grandparents
came from Ireland in the
1920's. My maternal grandparents came from Sligo
very close to the Ballina,
Mayo
border. My mom still has several
aunts(all
in their 80's
& 90s) that live
in that area,
we were just there this past May to
visit.
I was lucky to
have known my
Greatgrandparents when I was a boy
we went
to Ireland every
summer and
stayed on their farm. I am not a pro
at this either but I have been
accumulating
information over the last twenty
years.
My Granmothers sister who
is 93 told us
this trip that she clearly
remembers her Grandmother
Catherine(Katie)
Crean and that her family were
sea
merchants for generations. On the
Baptismal list
it has her brother as Austin
Crean, this is a very odd name
for this
area. I walked all the cemeteries in
the area and their are several
big Crean
headstones. I would love to be added
to your list as it may bring
me back several
generations. I can only go back
to about 1800 as of this
moment.
PS- My Kennedy
name comes from Limerick. While
we have no known connections
to the Kennedy
family from Massachusetts, I have
just taken the
National
Geographic DNA
test to see who I am connected to
on the male
line.
ATB,
Chris
Fri, 28 Sep
2007 12:00:38 -0700 (PDT)
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Chris,
Wow! When I
started, I didn't know anything but
the
last name and
Ireland! You are lucky to really
know
what you do!
My Catherine
was known as Kate Crean and then
Kate
Crane because
the government wanted the census to
be
by sound.
I drove my
mother nuts with questions and then
had to
put the puzzle
together.
The name Austin
Crean is in Chicago with the rest
of
us! Thanks for
the hint!
I am trying to
get my male Crean relatives to do
the
DNA test, but
the older ones are too scared. Now
I
need to
convince the next generation about why
this is
important!
Do you know of
a Lewis related to a Crean?
Nancy
Fri, 28 Sep
2007 12:18:33 -0700 (PDT)
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Subject: re:
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To:
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Hi, Caoimhghin!
Are you located
in Ireland?
If you are
confused that is because my research
is
done on the
Internet and it is hit or miss.
No, I never saw
your gravestone. I did hear that
there
was a
gravestone honoring Andrew Crean near Sligo
port. Maybe you
could add that one and the
Ballina
gravestone
marker to your website! I also found a
Crogan website
that seems to be our family.
I found the
name Laurence or Lawrence Crean in
Jamaica
by accident
while looking over "The O'Hara
Papers"
information.
They are kept in Ireland with other
historical
documents. I found a page where you
can buy
them, but I
don't really know how to get the
paper I
want - there is
a massive amount of information
in
those papers. I
have to search the Internet to
find
it.I just want
to know what Crean wrote to the
O'Hara
family!
No, I don't
have any proof of heritage in Ireland
from
anywhere except
my mother's memory and the
Internet.
Everything she
told me has turned out to be true
though. The
Crean family were sea merchants and
did
live in Sligo.
I found 2 Bishop Crean. I found 2
Lady
O'Hara and that
family also was in Sligo and they
did
own land there.
I did find my Napoleon in Dublin
and I
found his boat.
He also traveled with Eliza
Crean, who
is also listed
in Dublin.
I have made a
family tree, but it is not
professional.
It is on
ancestry. I can let you see it. I just
use
the USA
information from relatives and then find
what
I can on the
Internet. My tree is guess and
conjecture
with a some
facts and documents. Anything about
Ireland is
guess or hearsay. Anything in USA is
more
factual.
I only use the
name Crean, which can also be
spelled
Crane on USA
records since the census takers did
not
ask how names
were spelled. They wanted to save
time
and wrote down
what they heard - Crane. In 1870,
every
Crean named was
listed as Crane but that is not
the
way the people
really spelled their names.
Nancy
Fri, 28 Sep
2007 12:58:04 -0700 (PDT)
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Subject: re:
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To:
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O'Hara Papers
in NLI, p. 149
Laurence Crean
of Jamaica, formerly of County
Sligo MS
20,288, 3
items, c. 17777-1787 He wrote 3 letter
to
Charles OHara
the younger and it is about
Laurence
Crean's will.
Also mentions
Kean O'Hara in Jamaica in the
index.
Here is the
reference from www.rootsweb.com:
IRL-SLIGO-L
Archives
Archiver >
IRL-SLIGO > 2005-05 > 1115046374
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Subject: Re:
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Date: Mon, 2
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dated 5/1/2005 12:51:54 AM Eastern
Standard Time,
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writes:
>
http://www.nli.ie/pdfs/mss%20lists/oharasligo.pdf
>
>
This link
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RE: [Sligo] O'Hara
Papers in NLI by "Laura Kaatz"
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O'Hara Papers
in NLI ctd. by Bill McGee
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Re: [Sligo]
O'Hara Papers in NLI ctd. by Nancy
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Re: [Sligo]
O'Hara Papers in NLI by RODSGENEALOGY
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O'Hara Papers in NLI by "J. R. Egan"
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Re: [Sligo]
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Hi Nancy,
Do you actually
have an Austin Crean in your tree
in Chicago?
I have the
Irish phone
book from 2007, I will look up any
Crean/Crane/Cryan and let you
know as they
may be of interest to you.
Names connected
to my Creans are McGowan,
Kilcullen, Farris, Brady, Murray,
Carty, Forde,
Egan. I have no Lewis' and I have
never seen that name in this
neck of the
woods. This was a very rural part of
Ireland.
Regards,
Chris
Fri, 28 Sep
2007 14:31:22 -0700 (PDT)
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Hi, Chris.
Do you have any
other first names of anyone named
Crean?
Do you have any
Carey?
I thought that
I saw that name and some other
unusual
ones. I would
have to look again.
Look over this
website:
http://homepages.rootsweb.com/~cregan/surname.htm
Nancy
Fri, 28 Sep
2007 14:31:56 -0700 (PDT)
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Try this
website:
http://homepages.rootsweb.com/~cregan/surname.htm
Fri, 28 Sep
2007 15:32:35 -0700 (PDT)
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Chris,
Yes, I have Austin
Crane and his marriage
records.
When in doubt,
aim for Illinois. We are loaded
with
Crean, which is
spelled Crane on census records.
We
also have
Crain.
For old
records, including Austin Crane, see
this:
http://www.cyberdriveillinois.com/departments/archives/marriage.html
Fri, 28 Sep
2007 15:36:15 -0700 (PDT)
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Fri, 28 Sep
2007 17:23:57 -0700 (PDT)
From: "Sean Crean"
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Hi Nancy,
Great reading
the exchanges between you, Chris
and
Caoimhghin.
If you've been
on Caoimhghin's site then you must
have
seen the photo
of Dominic Crean's grave in Sligo
Abbey
that I took a
couple of years ago while visiting
and
researching the
family.
My branch of
the Creans left Sligo and came to
Belfast
in the
1830-40's
Do you actually
have documentation linking you to
Lawrence Crean
in Jamaica? You'll see on the
grave
that the stone
was erected by Dominic's son James
Crean(of
Jamaica).
My great Uncle
(now deceased) had done some
research
before he
passed away in 1951. I recently found
my
Great-grandfather
Patrick's record of birth
(circa
1841) in
Belfast. His father was a James Crean
and the
family oral
history for us and through
documentation
is that our
Belfast Crean's migrated from Sligo
up
there. My
father was brought to the states in
1922 as
a baby. My
great-grandfather also was in the
shipping
business in
Belfast with his brother Michael.
There are
several books that give good history of
the
Crean's but not
enough to piece a straight line
just
yet.
First is
Woodmartin's "History of Sligo". Second
is "
The History of
Sligo Town & County" by Archdeacon
O'Rourke. The
third is "Power, Politics & Land -
Sligo
1568-1688"
by Mary O'Dowd. John Mc Ternan has a
couple
of books on
Sligo that recap from Woodmartin &
O'Rourke on the
O'Crean history. Finally the
Annals
of the Four
Masters first mentions the family in
Donegal in 1498
and it is here that most scholars
believe the roots
of the family started prior to
migrating to
Sligo where their fame and infamy
gets
its greatest
press!
My research has
been put on hold for the past few
years but
should you come up with anything else,
I'll
be happy to
share as my time allows.
Sean Crean
Rear Admiral,
USN
Sun, 30 Sep
2007 17:50:26 -0700 (PDT)
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Subject: Re:
[Cryan et al.] Pronouncing Crean, Crane, Cryan, Craon, Crayon - 2 syllables
To:
"Caoimhghin O Croidheain" <caoimhghin@yahoo.com>
I found out
that my family pronounced the Crean
name
with 2
syllables. Like Cre-an or Cray-on.
They were from
was
spelled Crean,
and then Crane mostly. We also
have
Crain.