Daniel Cryan"
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To:
"Caoimhghin O
Croidheain" <caoimhghin@yahoo.com>
Subject:
Re: Parents of
Austin R. Cryan of
Date:
Thu, 13 Jan 2005 21:40:17
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Kevin,
You mentioned on
your web page that you have the Famine Immigrant List (Cryan and variants)
arriving at
Is there a Sarah
or Jane Cryan on any of those ships heading to NY?
Dan
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From: Caoimhghin O
Croidheain
To: Daniel Cryan
Sent: Wednesday,
January 12, 2005 7:43 AM
Subject: Re:
Parents of Austin R. Cryan of
Hi Daniel
Thanks for your
mail. Basically, I put every bit of
info I have on my
site.
The name
of an
various siblings
in even families that split between
countries.
I notice one
Have you gone
through the cryan list archive files on
my site?
http://geocities.com/caoimhghin/familyhistory.html
There are nearly
1500 A4 pages of information
contained in these
files.
Try searching the
keywords [esp Austin] you have given
me.
Are you on the cryan
list? the reseachers there are
very helpful...
Any Cryan and
variants info is valuable.
Please do put all
you know on the list or send it to
me for the archive
as you never know when someone will
find connections
[back to you] in the future. Any
American material
would be great to have.
regards
caoimhghin
I generally dont
put info from mails sent directly to
me in the archive
as they are not in the public domain
and may contain
personal material [unless asked to do
so]. So if you
join the list [which is free] and
resend then I can
put everything on my site.
--- Daniel Cryan
<dancryan@msn.com> wrote:
> Kevin,
>
> Happy New
Year. I recently came across your
> CRYAN\CREAN
RESEARCH, HISTORY AND GENEALOGIES web
> page at
>
http://www.geocities.com/caoimhghin/genabs.html<http://www.geocities.com/caoimhghin/genabs.html>.
>
> I noticed
that you have a wealth of information at
> your finger
tips and was hoping we could help each
> other
out. I spent a few days in Washington DC
at
> the National
Archives trying to find out information
> on my GG
Grandparents, specifically my Great
> Grandfather,
Austin Cryan's, parents. His wife
> Josephine may
have parents from Ireland as well (at
> least 1
side). I can't even find out what ship
they
> came over
on.
>
> I have spent countless hours conducting
research.
> The Cryan
lineage is a bit harder to trace due in
> part to the
lack of records during the move from
> Ireland to
the US. Below is a summary of what I
> have so far.
I can't tell you how much it would mean
> if you could
help me find out the missing links. I
> have spent
countless days and hours on the web and
> at the
National Archives in Washington DC.
>
>
> Here we go.
>
>
>
> Austin R.
Cryan was born (I believe in Buffalo), 19
> April
1881. The censuses between 1900 and 1930
list
> his birth as
either 1880/1.
>
>
>
> On 10 October
1906 Austin married Josephine Griffin
> in Buffalo
NY. Austin was 25 and Josephine was 18
> when they
were married.
>
>
>
> Josephine was
born 3 Nov 1886 in Buffalo. Her
> parents are
Thaddeus Griffin and Ellen Gartlet.
>
>
>
> According to
his obituary he was a Mechanic
> (Shipyard,
reportedly Crystal Beach boat. Retired
> after 30 years
in 1923).
>
>
>
> Children of
Austin and Josephine:
>
> John Griffin Cryan - born April
1907,
> died 1957
>
> Robert Thomas Cryan, born 12 Nov
1908,
> died 28 Aug
1995.
>
>
>
> Austin died
at 3pm on 12 May 1931 at the age 50
> years and 23
days. His death certificate listed
> cause of
death as Mitra stenosis and acute
> gastritis. IT
IS HIS PARENTS I'M TRYING TO FIND INFO
> ON.
>
>
>
> Josephine
died 19 November 1959. INFO ON HER PARENTS
> WOULD BE
GREAT TOO>
>
>
>
> Their last
address was listed as 28 Knox Ave.
>
>
>
>
>
> Here's where
I need help. According to the census
> data,
Austin's parents came from the Irish Free
> State -
IRELAND. I have been told that his Dad's
> name was
Robert Austin (cannot find a scrap of info
> on - I'm not
even sure that is his name) and his
> Mothers name
may have been Sarah (possibly Sarah
> Otis).
>
> POTENTIAL
MOTHERS BASED ON CENSUS DATA:
>
>
>
> 1. J
(possibly Jane, was hard to read) Cryan.
> (Buffalo,
Erie Co.):
>
> Per the 1900
Census, Jane S. Cryan (could that S be
> Sarah?) was
living at 70 Myrtle Ave and was listed
> as the head
of the household. She was born in 1865
> or 1866 and
according to the 1900 census (taken 8
> June
1900)she was 34 years of age and
widowed. She
> migrated to
the US in 1873. The following children
> were listed
as living with her: Austin R or S - 20,
> Julia R - 12,
Mary E. - 13, Michael - 14, Thomas -
> 8, John J -
6, and William H, 2. Accordingly, this
> Austin would
have been born around 1880 (Could be
> our Austin
Cryan). (Roll T623-1025, Page 7B, ED 25.
>
>
>
> 2. Sarah
Cryan. (Buffalo, Erie Co.):
>
> Per the 1920
census Sarah Cryan was the head of the
> household.
She was widowed and had migrated to the
> US in
1879. It listed her at about 55 years of
age.
> Living with her were two sons (Michael age
31, and
> Joseph age
27) and two Daughters (Mary, age 33 and
> Julie age
35). Also living with her were Mary's
> children,
William - 14, Catherine - 12, Lillian - 8,
> and Florence
- 6). Mary was also listed as widowed
> and her last
name was listed as Gallavin or Galvin.
> (Roll
T625-1100, Page 15B, ED 32, image 32).
>
>
>
> In the 1930
census, Mary Gallavan, daughter of
> Sarah, was
then listed as the head of the household
> at 342 Myrtle
Ave. Sarah, then 65 as well as her
> son Joseph
still lived with her as well as Mary's
> children
Catherine, Lillian and Florence. Joseph was
> listed as a
handyman at a crockery factory. (Roll
> 1424, ED 36,
Image 339, sheet 17A)
>
>
>
> Could Jane S
be the same as Sarah? The ages are
> about the
same. The names and ages for the
children
> are about
right as well. If Austin was married
> before the
1910 census, he wouldn't have shown up
> with Sarah
Cryan in the 1920 census, so this seems
> to fit as
well.
>
>
>
> I need names
or any other information you can gather
> on our
great-great (or just great) grandparents.
> Who are
Austin's parents? If it is Jane/Sarah,
who
> was her
husband?
>
>
>
> Again, I
would appreciate any information you can
> gather (even
copies of old pictures).
>
>
>
> I will be
going to the archives again in the next
> month or so.
If I can research anything for you as
> well, let me
know.
>
>
>
> Dan Cryan
"Ali Crehan
Feeney" <crehan@comcast.net>
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Date:
Fri, 14 Jan 2005
16:45:35 -0500
To:
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Subject:
[Cryan et al.]
roll call!
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Over on Rootsweb's
Irish American list, they are
doing a roll call
- and I
thought to myself,
Self, I would love to see a
roll call on the
Cryan list!
Things have been a
bit quiet here lately, so why
not ask everyone
to speak
up and remind the
list who they're researching?
You never know,
you might
see something that
piques your interest.....
Here's how it
works:
Subject: Surname,
state(s)
Body of message:
short roll call about where the
ancestor
originated
and to what states
they emigrated. Use just
surname, years and
if they
went from state to
state use >> between.
ie Smith, 1880s,
NY >> 1890s OH >> 1905 CA
If you want to put
in city and/or county, that
will be fine.
~ Ali
Ali Crehan
Feeney" <crehan@comcast.net>
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Date:
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16:45:36 -0500
To:
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Subject:
[Cryan et al.]
Crehan, Massachusetts
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My Crehans appear
to have originated in Co.
Galway and came
over here to
Massachusetts in
the first half of the 1850s, so:
Crehan, Co. Galway
>> 1850s, Massachusetts
~ Ali
Quincy, MA
Fri, 14 Jan 2005
17:24:15 -0800 (PST)
From:
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This is my first
time doing a roll call.
Contact me at
nancy_fiore@yahoo.com
O'Crean/Crean/Crane/Creen,
(married Lewis,
Decker,
Dillon, Miller,
Roach, Lally) 1820s, Sligo, Mayo,
and
Dublin, Ireland
>> London, England >> Dublin,
Ireland
>> 1851 NY,
USA >> 1856 Chicago, Cook, IL, USA >>
Crean, Roach (NY)
1890s CO >> CA, OR, IA, NY
O'Hara (married
Crean, Miehe (MO)) 1820s Sligo
and
Leitrim, Ireland
>> St. Timothy Village,
Beauharnois,
Montreal, Quebec,
>> 1840s Buffalo, NY, USA >>
1870s
>> St.
Louis, MO >> Chicago, Cook, IL
Sat, 15 Jan 2005
07:09:52 -0800 (PST)
From:
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Updated.
Contact me at
nancy_fiore@yahoo.com
O'Crean/Crean/Crane/Crain/Creen,
(married Lewis,
Decker, Dillon,
Miller, Roach, Lally, Blanchfield
or
Lee) 1820s, Sligo,
Mayo, and Dublin, Ireland >>
London, England
>> Dublin, Ireland >> 1851 NY,
USA >>
1856 Chicago,
Cook, IL, USA >> Crean, Roach (NY)
1890s
Denver, Pueblo,
Arapahoe, CO >> New Orleans, LA
>> NY,
CA, OR, and
Midwest Area(MN, WI, MI, IN, IA) USA
O'Hara (married
Crean, Miehe (MO)) 1820s Sligo
and
Leitrim, Ireland
>> St. Timothy Village,
Beauharnois,
Montreal, Quebec,
>> 1840s Buffalo, NY, USA >>
1870s
>> St.
Louis, MO >> Chicago, Cook, IL
Karen
McElrath" <k.mcelrath@qub.ac.uk>
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Re: [Cryan et al.]
roll call!
Date:
Sun, 16 Jan 2005
14:40:19 +0000 (GMT Standard Time)
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Cryan, Patrick and
Catherine Conlon Cryan
1820-1860, Brogher
Townland, County
Sligo. Children: Patrick,
Martin, and
Bridget, 1840-1900
> Taunton, Wareham, Somerset
and Swampscott,
Massachusetts >
Mercer County, PA (named changed
to CRAIN for PA
line)
Paul Cryan"
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Date:
Mon, 17 Jan 2005
01:31:42 -0000
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Cryan, James,
Townland Sroove,Town
Monasterradeen,
County Sligo. to England 1840s
County Durham
married Sarah McMahon 1858,to USA
1870. to Lowell
MA.
Brothers Timothy, Michael, Thomas and sister
Mary (O'Flahaven
in Lowell MA.
brother John
Stayed in Ireland.
Children of James and Sarah were James,
Anne,
Mary, Bridget
,Catherine
John Philip, and Alexander.
Mon, 17 Jan 2005
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From:
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Great Idea Ali!
Cryan, James
b:1805-1815?, Sroove,
Monasteraden,Co
Sligo,M;Mary
Phillips,immigrated to Lowell, Ma.
Child of James-
John Cryan,b: 1851, Sroove, D:
1927,
Sroove, Ireland
Monasteraden, Co Sligo.
M: Honoria
Lavin(Lannon)B: 1844, Ireland
Children:
Thomas, B: 1869,d:
?, Sroove, Ireland buried in
Monasteraden,
Ireland
Mary B: 1870,
Sroove,D: 1942, San Francisco, Ca
Bridget,B1873
Sroove (Can't find her)
Agnes b: 1874,
Sroove, M: Michael
Casey,04-10-1899Kilnamanagh,
FrenchPark,
Roscommon,
Ireland
Michael b:
09-13-1874 D:? , buried in Cemetery,
Monasteraden,
Ireland
Honora (Winey) b:
08-26-1877 Sroove, M: Lawrence
Lydon
10-25-1900
Ballaghaderreen, Immigrated to San
Francisco, d:
04-1961 Belmont, Ca
John b:1880
Sroove, m: Mary ?, immigrated to
Lowell,
Ma, lived in New
York in 1915, but can't find him
Anne b:
08-111,1882 Sroove, immigrated to Lowell,
Ma,
then back to
Ireland, m: John Conway 09-19-1910,
Ballaghaderreen,
d: 10-19-1957 Townagbrack,
Monasteraden, Co
Sligo
James J. (Crane)
b: 11-18-1884 Sroove, never
married,
immigrated to New
York in 1915, lived in Montana,
Seattle, Wa, then
San Francisco, Ca, d:
10-15-1968,
San Francisco, Ca.
I have more on the
rest of John's grandchildren
ect,
but could be
typing for days.
(grandaughter of
Honora (Winey) Cryan)
Edna Lydon Fuller
San Mateo, Ca.
"Leslie
Poche" <fivecents.mom@verizon.net>
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Mon, 17 Jan 2005
18:38:09 -0500
To:
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[Cryan et al.] Fw:
{not a subscriber} Massachusetts Crehan lookups
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----- Original
Message -----
From: "Ali
Crehan Feeney"
<alisonfeeney@comcast.net>
To:
"CRYAN-L" <CRYAN-L@rootsweb.com>
Sent: Thursday,
January 13, 2005 9:45 PM
Subject: {not a
subscriber} Massachusetts Crehan
lookups
> Hi all,
>
> thought I'd
put this out to the list - I'm
getting to the
Massachusetts
> State
Archives about once a month and am slowly
working my way
through all
> the records
for Crehans that I can find. If you
have any lookups
you'd
> like
> to have me
check out, drop me a line. No
guarantees on how
long it'll take
> me to get it
for you, but there's my offer. ;)
>
> ~ Ali Crehan
Feeney
> Quincy MA
>
>
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Date:
Tue, 18 Jan 2005
13:50:33 GMT
To:
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Subject:
[Cryan et al.]
Crohan from Kerry
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Anyone have any
Crohans from Kerry?
Thanks, Mary
"Jamie K.
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Re: [Cryan et al.]
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Mon, 31 Jan 2005
10:04:51 -0500
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My
great-grandfather, Bernard Cryan, was
probably born
sometime in the
1870's in the
Roscommon area and migrated in the
1890's to the US
through
the port of New
York and settled in Buffalo, New
York. He married Bridgett
Ryan from
Tipperary. They had 5 children: Helen,
Claire, Mary, Anna
and
Francis (my
grandfather).
Any information on
Bernard's ancestors or
descendents would
be greatly
appreciated.
Best regards,
Jamie K. Cryan
Ali Crehan
Feeney" <crehan@comcast.net>
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Date:
Tue, 15 Mar 2005
13:09:52 -0500
To:
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[Cryan et al.]
William J. Crehan
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Does anyone has a
connection with William J.
Crehan, born in
Attleboro,
Massachusetts on
11 November 1891? Father's name
is John, mother's
name is
Mary Maxcey,
sister is Annie Crehan and brother
is James Crehan.
If you have a
connection, please email me. I have
received documents
on
William which may
be helpful or of interest to
you.
Thanks!
Ali Crehan Feeney
Quincy,
Massachusetts
Fri, 18 Mar 2005
18:05:27 -0800 (PST)
From:
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Cryans from Sroove
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I have two
mysteries that I cannot solve and
thought
maybe someone
could help.
My Great Grand Parents
John
"Sony" Cryan, B: 1851, M: Honoria(Nora)
Lavin
(Lannon), lived in
Sroove,Monasteraden, Co Sligo,
Ireland. They had the following children:
Thomas
B: Jan 1869,
Sroove, died as an infant, buried in
St
Aiden's cemetery,
Monasteraden, Ireland
Mary
B:Jul 03, 1870,
immigrated to the US, never
married,
D: 1942, San
Francisco, California
Bridget
B: Jan 26, 1873
( I cannot find
any record of her after her
Baptismal
Record)
Agnes
B: 1874,M: Michael
Casey,Lived in Frenchpark,
Ireland
(No other records
for her)
Michael
B: Sept 1874, D:
as an infant, buried in St
Aiden's
cemetery with
Honoria
Nora,
B: Aug 26, 1877,
M: Lawrence Lydon in 1900,
immigrated
to the US, D: 1961
Belmont California
(My Grandparents)
John
B: 1880,
immigrated to the US in 1900, was living
with
James Cryan
(Brother to John "sony" Cryan) in
lowell
Mass, M: Mary
? They were living in New York in
1915
when James Joseph
Cryan immigrated to the US.
(I can find no
further records about them)
Anne
B: Aug 11, 1882,
M: John Conway, lived in
Moygara,
Ireland,D: Oct 19,
1957
James Joseph
B: Nov 1884,
immigrated to the US in 1915, D: Oct
15,
1968, San
Francisco, California
I have hit a brick
wall for Bridget, John and
Agnes,
so I thought I
would put it out to the Cryan list
to
see if anyone can
help
Edna Lydon Fuller
Fri, 15 Apr 2005
13:48:50 -0400
From:
"Leslie
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Welcome, Beth and
your sister! Beth mailed me
the following a
day or two ago, and I am re-posting
for her so that
everyone can share the info
enclosed. She's now a subscriber, so feel free to
respond through
the list or to her directly.
From:
"Beth" <beth326@verizon.net>
>>>>
Hi my name is Beth
>>>>
My grandmothers name is Bessie E. Cryan my
mother said her
name was
>>>>
Bridget E. Cryan but they called her Bessie
>>>>
>>>>
She came to this country from county Sligo,
Boyle, Brougher.
>>>>
>>>>
She came to the USA via Queenstown in 1903
by the manifest
and it states
>>>>
coming to see sister Kate and a Mrs. Thomas
Jordan in
Swampscott
>>>>
Massachusetts.
>>>>
>>>>
Her birthdate is anywhere from 1876 to 1880.
>>>>
>>>>
Her fathers name
>>>>
Thomas Cryan
>>>>
Mother:
>>>>
Mary or Margaret Cryan ( we do not have a
maiden name for
her)
>>>>
Brothers:
>>>>
Patrick
>>>>
James
>>>>
and we beleive sister Kate or Catherine
>>>>
>>>>
Her brothers and sister came to the USA and
resided in Lynn
and
>>>>
Swampscott
>>>>
Massachusetts.
>>>>
Her parents were deceased in Ireland at
least thats what
the manifest
>>>>
stated.
>>>>
She married my grandfather Philip Fraher
from Limerick
Ireland but they
>>>>
met in this country.
>>>>
We are trying to find out her birthdate but
are having a hard
time. We
>>>>
have called Ireland and they stated unless
you have a mothers
maiden
>>>>
name
>>>>
its almost impossible to find.
>>>>
>>>> On
her marriage cert. she only has her
fathers name is
Thomas Cryan
>>>>
and her mother is Mary Cryan (again no
maiden name). It
only states
>>>>
where
>>>>
she was born was Ireland.
>>>>
>>>>
On her death cert. same exact information.
She passed away in
August
>>>>
of
>>>>
1947.
>>>>
>>>>
We are in the process of having a stone put
on the grave site
with all
>>>>
the
>>>>
names of deceased and there dates of birth
and deaths.
>>>>
My grandmother is the only one we are having
a hard time with.
>>>>
>>>>
My parents are also deceased and there is no
other family to
check
>>>>
information with on this.
>>>>
>>>>
Any help you can give us would so much
appreciated.
>>>>
>>>>
Thanks so much Beth
>>>>
"Eve"
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Sat, 16 Apr 2005
08:56:20 +0100
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Bessie Cryan
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Welcome Beth,
Although we are
not very active we still read all
and contribute
when we can.
You may find it
interesting to look at the 1901
census on the
website
hhtp://www.leitrim-roscommon.com
Insert Broher in
the townland part and Sligo in
the county of the
search page and you will find
John Cryan aged 24 and his sister Bridget aged
21.
If this is the one
that you are interested in I
may be able to
find more. But will have to do it
later
Good luck Eve
PATRICK
CRYANS" <pat@pcryans.fsnet.co.uk>
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Re: [Cryan et al.]
Re Bessie Cryan
Date:
Sun, 17 Apr 2005
15:43:06 +0100
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Hi
Re Cryan's of
Brougher 1901 census the John Cryan
married Ann
Cosgrove just
after 1901 and had
3 children Patrick and Mary
who were sent to
Swampscott
U.S.A about 1910
their parents died very young in
their 30's another
son
John was left in
Sligo (Bearlough) with a family
named Davey and he
later
married a lady
named Norra Breheny about 1940
they moved to
England (Sussex)
and had a child
again named John born about 1947.
The house ruins
now on the
Snee Farm can still be seen.
Patrick and Mary
when sent to America ,were
looked after by a
relation
Patrick S Cryan .
Because of the
large number of Cryan's in the
area the family
was known as
Johnny Andy Cryan.
The John who
married Ann Cosgrove parents were
Thomas Cryan and
Mary
Cryan(this was her
name also) Thomas's father was
Patrick
Cryan,Thomas died
about 1890-1900.
I do have some
records of Thomas and Mary's other
children.
Patrick Cryans
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Re Bessie Cryan
Date:
18 Apr 2005
00:33:48 +0000
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Hello Beth and
Patrick (thank you, Eve, for
posting Beth's
message): There
appear to be
several Cryan connections between
Brougher (Brogher)
Townland
and Swampscott,
Massachusetts. It reminds me a
bit of the
connection
between
Springfield, Massachusetts and the folks
who emigrated from
the
Blasket Islands,
County Kerry.
My great
grandfather, Martin Francis Cryan
emigrated from
Brogher about
1858 as a child,
and travelled with his older
brother (Patrick)
and sister
(Bridget - married
Patrick Feeney and lived in
Wareham, MA). When
brother
Patrick volunteered
for the US Civil War, young
Martin was sent to
live
with relatives in
western Pennsylvania. Before
she died a few
years ago, my
aunt (born about
1918 and Martin's granddaughter)
vividly recalled
visiting
Cryan relatives in
Swampscott. Some of them
worked at a
General Electric
factory there (one
Patrick Cryan in Patrick's
recent submission
to this
list, also worked
at the GE factory). That was in
the 1920s and
early
1930s. Several
years ago, when researching the
Cryan name in
Swampscott, I
did come across
Thomas Jordan. I think he married
a Cryan, and I
have this
information in my
work office where I will be
later this week.
As I recall,
I have the
marriage certificate for Thomas
Jordan, which I
will forward
later in the week.
Unfortunately
though, I'm not sure how to locate
Bessie's birth
date. Was
there any info in
the 1947 obituary? I have good
luck with locating
info
from those
sources, and if you know the date of
death, you can
access the
local newspaper
where she died. Then again,
perhaps you
already consulted
it. Where was she
living when she died?
What about the
naturalization papers? I was able
to obtain these
documents
for my great
grandfather. As I recall, they are
at times held by
the State,
depending on the
year of naturalization. A
genealogy
library/center in the
State of
Massachusetts might be able to help in
terms of locating
naturalization
papers for Bessie.
Did she work
outside the home? The city
directories will
tell you whether
she did. At one
stage, I was thinking of
contacting the GE
plant (probably
gone!) and asking
if they retained records on
former employees
(a long
shot, but
genealogists get desperate!). The 1930
US census records
are now
available (for a
fee!) but they would be limited
to age, so that
year of
birth could be
calculated but not actual birth
date. Sorry I
can't be of
more help here,
but the Swampscott-Brogher
connection sparked
my interest.
Patrick: Do you
know the names of Thomas Cryan's
siblings? You
mention that
Thomas' father was
called Patrick. My great
grandfather Martin
Cryan lists
his father as
Patrick Cryan (Brogher) who would
have been born
about 1820.
We think that our
Patrick had died by 1858, when
the children
emigrated to
Massachusetts.
This Patrick married Catherine
Conlon Cryan.
Thanks and best
wishes, Karen
Karen
McElrath" <k.mcelrath@qub.ac.uk>
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Date:
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Patrick and
Beth: It looks like Patrick has
found the
birthdate
for Bessie Cryan
(12 November 1876). It's nice
to find a piece
of the puzzle
every now and then. Because all
this information
is logged in the
archives, it might be useful to
other Cryan
researchers in the
future.
Some comments
about the info passed on by Patrick
and Beth:
1) Thomas Cryan
and Mary Cryan (her maiden name
as well) had
children 1)
Thomas, 2) Andrew, 3) James, 4)
Catherine, 5)
Bessie, and 6)
Thomas (first child named Thomas
died as a
child). Beth notes that her Bessie had a brother
named Patrick.
In the 1800s,
various children's names were
omitted from
records, so the
omission here is not surprising.
On 3 August
1949, a Patrick J.
Cryan died in Swampscott,
Mass. at the age
of
79. Born in Ireland, and a gardener residing at
45 Pleasant
Street, his
parents are listed as Thomas Cryan
and Mary
Cryan.
I have links with
Patrick J. although i have yet
to learn how.
2) One possibility
is as follows:
Patrick Cryan and
Catherine Conlon (Brougher
townland, Sligo)
each born circa
1820. They had at least 4
children: 1)
Thomas,
married Mary Cryan
(Beth's line), 2) Patrick
(emigrated to
Mass., USA, served
in US Civil War and married
Catherine Lavin),
3) Martin Francis
(emigrated to USA, my line),
and 4) Bridget
(emigrated to USA,
married Patrick Feeney, lived
Wareham,
Mass.). Patrick and Catherine Conlon Cryan
definitely had
the last 3 children,
and I am thinking that
Thomas (who
married Mary
Cryan) was their first born son.
Patrick Cryans
(this list)
mentions that Thomas Cryan took over
the lease from
Patrick Cryan
(probably his father) in 1862. The
younger 3
children emigrated
to the USA in 1858, perhaps
because the lease
was going to
Thomas and the mother (Catherine
Conlon Cryan) had
died. Just a hunch...
Questions: Regarding the Thomas Cryan who
married Mary Cryan
-
does anyone have
info on the names of his
siblings AND the
name
of his mother?
thanks, karen
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Re Bessie Cryan
Date:
Fri, 22 Apr 2005
18:10:44 +0100
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Hi Beth, (probably
best to print this)
Spent some time at
the LDS and looked up the USA
census data 1900,
1910,
1920 and 1930
You said that
Bessie went to the USA in 1903 to
visit sister Kate
and Mrs
Mary Jordan (so
maybe the were there is 1900)
Found in 1900
at 36 Pleasant
St Swampscott Essex MA
Thomas Jordan bAug
1866(Ire) aged 33 Gardener
arrived in USA
1887
Mary Jordan b Oct
1870 (Ire) aged 29
arrived in USA
1888
with children
Mary E(5),
Agnes(2) and James(4mths) allborn USA
MA
and boarder
Patrick CRYAN aged
37 b May 1863(Ire) Gardener
arr USA 1888
have not found
Kate CRYAN
In 1910 census
at 36 Glen Rd,
Swampscott, Essex, MA(Next to
Pleasant St)
Mary JORDAN wid
aged 39 (b Ire)
with children
Mary E (15), Agnes
E(11), James(10) and Alice(7)
also James H
CRYAN(27) (b Ire), Brother,
Motor...? with
Electric RR(diff to
read) arrived USA
1909
1920 Census
James H CRYAN aged
26 b Ire is a lodger in Friend
St. Lynn Essex MA
,job
Motorman
StreetRailway Says applied for
naturalisation in
1912
1920 Census
36 Glen Rd
Swampscott
Mary Jordan and
family Agnes,(21)nurse in private
family,JamesT(20)
Auto(looks like)
Trucker Controller,Agnes(17)
Patrick Cryan and
family at 75 Pleasent St
Swampscott
Patrick(55)
Gardener private estate
Norah(35) wife b
Ire
children JohnJ(7)
Mary(5),Henry(18mths)
NOW the Gem
1930 Census
39a Coburne St
Lynn, Essex MA
Philip FRAHER(45)
age at first marriage 31 b Ire
arr USA 1909
Labourer for
the
City(goverment)
Bessie FRAHER(43)
age at first marriage 29 b Ire,
arrived USA
1909(not
clear)
and son Philip
Jr(10)
If this is your
Bessie she says that she was born
in 1887 , however
she may
have given a false
age so as not to be older than
her husband (However this
is near to the
date of birth of Bridget Cryan in
Brogher in 1901
census .
There are very few
who fit your criteria for
Bessie/Bridget and
fewer Philip
Frahers
It also means that
you should be able to find her
marriage in 1919
(probably
in Lynn or
possibly in Swampscott) which should
give her parents
I have not found
her in 1920 or 1910 yet
It would also seem
that James H Cryan above may
be your Bessie's
brother and
so Mary Jordan is
her sister.......and so on
Good Luck...You
can probably look yourself at
these censuses and
obtain
copies of the originals
if your local LDS
subscribes to
Ancestry.com for all
to use.
If 1887 is
Bessie's date of birth I maybe able to
give a reference
for you
to get a photocopy
of her birth registration from
Joyce House
Dublin....
Look on the
internet and fill in the form and pay
something like
3/4$ (with
full references)
or more for a search (few
Bridget Cryans
only 2 or 3 in 10
years at this
time)
Best Wishes Eve
PATRICK
CRYANS" <pat@pcryans.fsnet.co.uk>
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Hi Beth,
i am unablle to
send you some documents as i am
blocked by your
server can you adjust,i have the
records of your
family home in Brougher from
Vicount Lorton
Records.
Patrick
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Date:
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21:43:00 EDT
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Kevin, I came
across your email when trying to search for my Great grandparents.They were
Patrick Hannon and Bridget Cryan from Seafin, Co. Sligo.I have very little to
go on.My grandfather Michael Frances Hannon was born Nov 19,1884. He was one of
many children
Thomas,Mary,Maurice,James
P. ,Michael Frances ,Catherine,Agnes,Margaret,Emily, Joseph. I believe he had a
second family with second wife possibly Sylvia with 4 more children
Mary,Patrick,John,Frenchy.Many of these came to U.S. in early 1900's.
Does any of this
tie in with reasearch you have done.Any help would be greatly appreciated.As
far as I know all were Roman Catholic.
Thanks
Anne Hannon McCann
"PATRICK
CRYANS" <pat@pcryans.fsnet.co.uk>
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Date:
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18:29:03 +0100
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[Cryan et al.] Old
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Hi
Anyone interested
in old maps should look at one
by Baptista Boazio
dated 1599 available from the
British Library.
It shows the
Cryan's as living on the right hand
side of the river
Foyle( County Tyrone) which is
where some people
think that we originated from
before Sligo and
Roscommon as opposed to Donegal
and Sligo Town.
Patrick Cryans
