From:

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Date:

Wed, 3 Dec 2003 21:35:26 -0500

Subject:

[Cryan et al.] US citizenship process & effects

To:

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This is from the National Archives:

"Until September 1922 when the Cable Act was

passed,

Section 1994 of the Act of February 10, 1855 was

effect. Women received derivative citizenship

when

they married a U.S. citizen, or when their

husband was

naturalized. Unfortunately, there is no paper

trail

until the forms were revised in 1906. A wife's

name

is not listed on her husband's citizenship papers

prior to that year. Minor children also derived

citizenship from a parent who became a citizen,

but

were not listed on the early naturalization

documents."

I think it would help everybody to understand how

things were done, and why.

Nancy

Date:

Thu, 15 Jan 2004 02:59:59 -0800 (PST)

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Subject:

[Cryan et al.] Roscommon Herald Articles No 127

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Roscommon Herald Articles No 127

Thanks to Veronica Cryan for the typing

December 20th, 1890.

KEASH EMMETS' v BALLINAFAD,

GAELS, (CO. SLIGO).

A closely-contested match between these teams

was

played on Sunday, the 14th inst., on the ground

of the former, Mr. Michael Cryan, with his usual

generosity, placed a field at their disposal.

The

day being

most propitious a great number of spectators

assembled to witness the sport. Rev. P. Conlon,

C.C.

Keash,

acted as referee, his decisions throughout the

play

being received with mutual satisfaction by both

parties. As the teams lined up they presented a

fine

body of

Gaels as could be seen; the Ballinafad then

wearing

green and yellow jerseys, and the Emmets

sporting

their

patron's uniform of green faced with white and

gold.

The Ballinafads having won the toss, took

advantage of the hill - wind there being none.

the ball

being thrown in there was good centre play

indulged

for some time, till the Emmets' getting off

with the

ball rushed to score, but after an exciting

tussle

sent it behind. After kick from goal the Emmets

still

kept the ball in their opponents territory,

putting

behind again several times. The ball was then

well played for some minutes, when the Emmets

again

rushed to score. Michl Gowan sent the ball

whizzing

the goal till stopped by Downes, the

goal-keeper, it

being immediately sent behind. After kick-out

again

the Ballinafad captain, Madden, ably assisted

Dyer

and Kennedy made bold rushes into their

opponents

ground, but the O'Connors and Thrumble

intercepting

their

advances always, returned the ball with cool

long

kicks from behind. The play afterwards became

extremely exciting, men being sent tumbling over

each other in quick succession, during which

each

captain proved to be a host in himself. The

intensity of

the play was kept up till call of half-time,

when

there was nothing scored on either side. Second

half-time commenced with more good play on

neutral

ground,

the Ballinafads making an attempt to score, and

but

for the dexterity of an Emmet had a point

gained.

Dyer and Cryan now sent the ball down to the

captain,

Walsh, who would have scored several times but

for

the

energetic defending of Dowd and Casey. In one of

the rushes Crofton although hemmed in by

several

opponents, scored a goal for the Emmets. Several

vigorous rushes by both sides, skilful play, and

fine kicking characterised the rest of the play

till

full time. The Emmet goal-keeper did not get

even a

single kick at the ball during the whole play.

Time

now

being now called, the referee announced the

scoring:---

Emmets, one goal; Ballinafads, nil.

And then remarked that they (the Emmets) could

not but admire the pluck and manliness with

which the

Ballinafad Gaels distinguished themselves

throughout the play. The loud cheers from the

assembled

multitudes testifying how they endorsed his

statement. Of O'Dowd's conduct on the field our

rev.

president afterwards spoke in landatory terms.

Meanwhile

the following resolution was passed on the

field,

where were assembled the Gaels of two parishes

with

hundreds of sympathisers :- "Resolved - That we

join

in the demand for the retirement of Mr. Parnell

who

having outraged morality and deliberately

deceived his colleagues for years, now sets

himself

at the

head of a faction who were elected to sit, act

and

vote with the majority of the Irish

Parliamentary

Party. Away with the pledge-breakers, those

quondam

pledge-makers."

T. Garvin, Sec.

Date:

Thu, 15 Jan 2004 03:47:56 -0800 (PST)

From:

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Subject:

[Cryan et al.] Roscommon Herald Articles No 128

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Roscommon Herald Articles No 128

Thanks to Veronica Cryan for the typing

19th October,1895.

TRANSFERS:

Mr. John Cryan, Boyle, was granted a

confirmation

of transfer [of licence]. Mr. McDermot was for

applicant.

Date:

Thu, 15 Jan 2004 03:54:41 -0800 (PST)

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Subject:

[Cryan et al.] Roscommon Herald Articles No 129

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Roscommon Herald Articles No 129

Thanks to Veronica Cryan for the typing

June 18th, 1889.

KNOCKARUSH ROUND TOWERSS - V - COOTEHALL WOLFE

TONES.

This was the fiercest match yet played. In

justice to the Wolfe Tones it must be said they

laboured

under a good many disadvantages. Some of their

best

players have emigrated, and those who took their

places

were of smaller physique than their powerful

opponents.

Knockarush won the toss, and took the hill and

wind, but Cootehall got away first with the

ball, and

sent it over the goal line.

The Knockarush goal-keeper having kicked off,

the

play was even for a few minutes, but the Round

Towers

steadily forced the ball down on their

opponents.

The Wolfe Tones made a gallant dash and got the

ball to the opposide side of the field, but

Knockarush again brought it back, and looked

scoring

when a Wolfe Tone kicked behind. The free kick

for

Knockarush was taken by Cox who failed to make

anything of

it.

The ball was forced down to the goal-line and a

Wolf Tone having picked it up, an angry

scrimmage

took

place, which the referee found some difficulty

calming. The Wolfe Tone goalkeeper having kicked

off, Knockarush again pressed their opponents,

and

Pat

Morris, who was supported by his brother and

Regan made a point.

After twenty minutes' play, Knockarush added a

second point. With coolness and judgement it

looked

if the players could easily have made goals.

Still

pressing on their opponents, Knockarush went

periliously near adding another point, but the

Cootehall backs, especially young O'Hara,

splendidly saved disaster, The Wolfe Tones made

another

plucky dash, and carried the ball up the field,

but

Knockarush brought it back , and some fierce

scrimmages took place in front of the goal and

around the point post. The referee put out a

Knockarush player for

tripping.

At half-time the score stood - Knockarush: two

points to nil. At change of sides, the Wolfe

Tones pressed into the Knockarush ground, and

kept

the

ball there during the second half-hour. The

Round

Towers played a defensive game, lining up three

deep

front of their goal and points. A fierce

scrimmage

took place near the Knockarush goal in which one

the jerseys of the Wolfe Tones was torn, and the

ball

having been driven behind the referee, allowed a

free kick. Cryan took the kick, and scored a

point.

The Round Towers adopted tactics of delay, and

for

kicking the ball outside the touch lines, they

were

fequently hooted by the spectators.

In the final scrimmage the ball was sent flying

for their point posts, but was caught by one of

the

Round-Towers. A fierce tussle follwed, the men

on both sides swarming up, and finally all went

over the goal-line a few yards from the

point-posts.

At call of time, the score stood - Knockarush

two

points; Cootehall: one point. The Wolfe Tones

entered an objection, that two members of

another

club played with Knockarush. They also claimed a

goal

and a point which did not come under the

observation

of the referee, or of any uninterested

spectators.

The following teams are:-

KNOCKARUSH: - Pat Morris, E. Beirne, P. Tansey,

James Connor, J.Cox, Michael Sharkey, Tim

Killelea,

Reagan, Pat Killelea, M. Connors, Michl

Killelea,

J. Beirne, C.Cox, James Killelea, J. Kielty,

James

Tansey, Pat Killelea, Tom Killelea, James Egan,

John Morris (Captain) J. Nicholson (Goalkeeper),

Goal

umpires - B. Queenan, B. McDonagh: Field umpires

- John Roche, Luke Mullany.

COOTEHALL: - P. Cryan (captain) Joe O'Hara

(goalkeeper) M. Foley, Wm. Malone, Michl

Forey,B.

Kelly, Wm. O'Hara, P.Appleby, Pat Boland, L.

Morahan, Michl Maxwell, Michael Kelly, W.

Appleby,

Pat

O'Hara, Connor Tansey, J. Meehan, Michael Lynch,

Wm.

O'Hara, John Boland, John Judge, F. Brehany,

Goal

umpires - F. Bambrick, P. Moran; field umpires -

Forby, J. Kelly.

Date:

Thu, 15 Jan 2004 03:58:01 -0800 (PST)

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Subject:

[Cryan et al.] Roscommon Herald Articles No 130

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Roscommon Herald Articles No 130

Thanks to Veronica Cryan for the typing

April 20th, 1889.

THE LABOURER'S COTTAGES:

The Board to up the consideration of tenders for

the erection of five cottages, when the

following

were received:-

[…]

John Cryan, of Carrick, tendered to build two in

Dangan Nugent, and two in Knocknagowna, for

£266,

and gave as his sureties Messrs. George McCann

and

Pat Costello, of Correen.

[…]

Mr. Cryan's tender for four cottages was

accepted.

[…]

Date:

Thu, 15 Jan 2004 04:03:08 -0800 (PST)

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Subject:

[Cryan et al.] Roscommon Herald Articles No 131

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Roscommon Herald Articles No 131

Thanks to Veronica Cryan for the typing

14th October, 1905.

Election of Petty Session Clerk for Ballyfarnon

and

Keadue

A Correspondent writes:-

At the Keadue Petty Sessions held on Friday held

on Friday the 6th inst., the magistrates

presiding

proceeded to elect a Clerk at a salary of £66

per

annum,in the room of Mr. Bushell, resigned. It

may be remembered that on a former occasion the

election

resulted in a tie between Sargeant L.Callan,

R.I.C., Geevagh, and Mr. Bernard McManus,

Arigna,

each

candidate securing 3 votes. On the present

occasion the struggle was renewed between the

same

two

candidates, all others having withdrawn from the

contest. The magistrates in attendance were :-

the Earl of Kingston, Geo Krogh Esq., J.P. The

MacDermotroe, Dr. John Rogers, Mr. Kilbride,

R.M.

Dr. J.H. Redden, Mr. J. Keaveny, Mr. J. Cryan,

J.P.

Keash, Co. Sligo. Sergeant Callan handed

testimonials, but the R.M. declined to read

them. The

Sergeant

then objected to Mr. Cryan's adjudicating , as

he was

not a Justice of the county , but the chairman

interrupted him , and would not allow him to

speak,

and

proceeded to poll the magistrates. There voted

for

Sergt.

Callan - the Earl of Kingston. Dr. Rogers the

MacDermotroe, and Mr. Keogh - 4. For Mr.

MacManus - Mr. J. Keaveny, Dr. Roden and Mr.

Kilbride

- 3. When he had exhausted the names on the

official

list he entered Mr. Cryan's name, who also voted

for

Mr. McManus, thereby creating a tie. Sergeant

Callan again attempted to object but was told

by the

chairman to send his objection to whereever he

liked,

and

declared nobody elected. The hostility of the

R.M. towards the Sergeant was very marked on the

occasion, and his determination to have the

secretary

the U.I.L. elected was very much criticized by

the

law-abiding inhabitants present. Mr. Cryan is a

J.P. by virtue of his office as Chairman of

Boyle

No.2. District Council for that portion of the

County

Sligo in which his district is, and is not a

Justice

for any part of the County Roscommon. It is

understood

more will be heard about the elections, owing to

the

illegal action of some of the magistrates

present, and the part played by some of the

supporters of one

of the candidates. It is expected that this case

may figure in the Superior Court.

Date:

Thu, 15 Jan 2004 08:41:14 -0800 (PST)

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Subject:

[Cryan et al.] Roscommon Herald Articles No 132

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Roscommon Herald Articles No 132

Thanks to Veronica Cryan for the typing

A BALLYBANE SUIT.

28th January,1904.

Darby Crann, Liam Boyle sued John Crann of same

place for £25 for damages sustained by the

plaintiff

for defendant encroaching on plaintiff's Land ,

during the partition of a farm.

Mr. D. MacDermot appeared for plaintiff and Mr.

P.C.P. MacDermot defended.

Mr. P. MacDermot suggested that the case be left

to a third surveyor, as it was a question of

measurement. It was decided to go on with the

case.

Mr. Farrel Cauley, in reply to Mr. D. MacDermot

deposed he remembered the suit between Crann and

Crann, and he made the partition Quarter

Sessions he

showed his maps which satisfied all parties. He

lockspitted

every fence that was to be made, and both men

agreed

it . Afterwards he heard a complaint and Mr.

Dickie

an he went to the place, and they found a

certain

discrepancy in the fences.

John grabbed two feet of Darby's land, and

witness told him he had no right to do it. Mr.

Dickie

afterwards made a survey of the place, and there

was only a difference of six perches between his

measurement and Mr. Dickie's, which he called an

extraordinary coincidence (laughter). Witness

told John was a fool for bringing all these

witnesses

to court for several days for two feet of land.

was only putting the unfortunate man to expense,

and

witness did not care one way or another,

although

he was not paid as yet.

Mr. P.C.P. MacDermot --- Never fear you'll take

care of that.

Witness was examined at lenght by Mr. P.C.P.

MacDermot as to the maps of Mr. Dickie and his

own.

All

parties were fighting well and should be made

pay. One would think it was a beauty they had,

coming in here every day.

Mr. P. MacDermot --- They have a luxury when

they

have you. (laughter).

Mr.Dickie discovered the error on the ground

with

Mr. Cauley when the land was partitioned. John

was

short six perches less than he should have, and

according to that John did not encroach.

To Mr. D. MacDermot .... I don know if John

Crann

put down his fence in accordance with the

instructions of Mr. Cauley.

John Crann, the defendant in the case, deposed

Mr. Cauley turned a sod with a joy, and witness

proceeded to make the fence on the 2nd February

last

year. Plaintiff and he would not make the fence

the

way

witness was making them , and he would not put a

the

11th March, in accordance with Mr. Cauley's

directions. Afterwards when Mr. Cauley came to

him

the latter

end of February, he told him not to go so far

about

a foot, and he agreed afterwards in accordance

with this direction.

By Mr. D. MacDermot ---Mr. Cauley did not ask to

stop, and I only followed what he told me.

Owen Grehan deposed he worked at the fences with

John Crann. He was sure they did not go in on

Darby

Crann's land. Michael Nicholson gave corroborate

evidence. John

Crann did not go inside what Mr. Cauley marked.

His Lordship complimented Mr. Cauley on the

manner in which he made his award, and he

dismissed

the

case on the merits. He allowed Mr. Cauley £5,

half to

paid by Darby Crann and the other half by John.

Darby---Cauley must go out again on the lands

(laughter). Ultimately Darby was prevailed on to

act

as was

suggested, and the case ended.

Date: Tue, 27 Jan 2004 02:48:55 -0800 (PST)

From: "Caoimhghin O Croidheain" <caoimhghin@yahoo.com> Add to Address Book Subject: [Cryan et al.] RIC RECORDS and Thomas Cryan To: CRYAN-L@rootsweb.com

Dear ALL

Jim Herlihy has written four books on Irish

policing. He mentions a Thomas Cryan below with a very

interesting history. Is he related to you?

REGARDS caoimhghin

RIC RECORDS

Date: Thu, 22 Jan 2004 19:41:54 -0000

From: "Jim Herlihy"

<j_herlihy@esatclear.ie>

Dear Caoimghin,

With reference to your great-grandfather, JOSEPH

CRYAN

who served in the RIC, I presume from your e-mail

that

you have not read both my books on the Royal

Irish

Constabulary. Both of my books should answer your

questions in finding your ancestor's RIC Service

Records. There is also a very very strong

possibility

that he had relatives in the RIC.

You had to be 19 to join, but if your father was

the service you could be aged 18 years.

Similarly, you

had to be 5'9" in height, but if your father was

the RIC you could be 5'8". You could not serve in

your

home county or that of your wife and you had to

have

seven years service before you were permitted to

marry. Also there were 549 RIC men murdered

between

1916 and 1922.

I searched the RIC Index which contains the names

all 85,028 members of the RIC who joined between

1816

and 1922 and I found that there were 18 persons

with

the Surname CRYAN in the RIC, however, there were

only 2 with the Christian name and Surname JOSEPH

CRYAN, one joined in 1882 and the other in 1910,

one

of which has to be your great-grandfather.

As regards your CRYAN ancestors in the IRB and

IRA,

the Sinn Fein and Republican suspects, 1899-1921,

including Michael Collins are listed in

the C(olonial) Office 904/193-216 Series in the

PRO,

Kew. I believe this series has been microfilmed

and is

in the National Library, Dublin

- see pages 246-249 in the Bibliography of my

third

book mentioned below.

There was only one person with the CRYAN Surname

the Dublin Metropolitan Police. He was Thomas

Cryan,

born in 1891 in Boyle, Co.Sligo. He joined the

RIC

first, RIC 65740, transferred to the DMP later,

DMP 11995, and was one of the first members of

the

'New CID' of the Garda Siochana in 1925 when it

was

amalgamated with the DMP. I have often thought

that he

was an agent for Michael Collins, because he

was a member of the 'Oriel House Detectives'

which was

formed following the signing of the Treaty and

its

members reported directly to Michael

Collins up to the time of his death. He was also

chosen for the 'New CID' by David Neligan ('The

Spy in

the Castle') who formed the 'New CID'. In effect

was a member of four police forces and the only

member of the RIC to become one of the Oriel

House

Detectives. Do you know if he is related to you?

The RIC Service Records contain the following

information:-

REGISTERED

NUMBER, NAME, EXACT DATE OF BIRTH, AGE WHEN

APPOINTED,

HEIGHT, NATIVE COUNTY, RELIGION, MARRIAGE DATE,

NATIVE

COUNTY OF WIFE, BY WHOM RECOMMENDED, TRADE OR

CALLING,

APPOINTMENT DATE, ALLOCATIONS LIST,

DATES OF SECONDMENT IN THE BRITISH ARMY,

PROMOTION

DATES, DATE WHEN PENSIONED, RESIGNED, DISCHARGED

DEATH.

It is my ambition to trace all policemen who

served in

Ireland before the foundation of the Irish Free

State

in 1922. I have approx.100,000

Irish policemen in my databases. I have written a

total of five books -

four of which are on Irish policing.

My first RIC book on policing is entitled "The

Royal

Irish Constabulary

- A Short History & Genealogical Guide" ISBN

1-85182-343-3). It was

published in August 1997, already went into

reprint in

October 1997

and went into a third reprint in February 1999.

well as a history it

opens up several avenues of further research on

RIC

ancestors and

give you some idea what life was like in the RIC.

includes all 549 members

of the RIC who were killed on duty between 1916

and

1922; all those

granted the Constabulary Medal; those who served

WW1, with what

regiment and the result of their service; those

who

transferred to

the Garda Siochana in 1922 following disbandment

the RIC on 31st August

1922. It is available in Hardback and paperback;

254pp.

FOR DETAILS SEE:-

http://www.four-courts-press.ie/cgi/bookshow.cgi?file=ric_list.xml

THIS BOOK CONTAINS A CHAPTER ' TRACING YOUR

ANCESTORS

IN THE RIC' WHICHWILL BE MOST HELPFUL TO YOU once

you

have his RIC Service Record.

My second book is entitled 'The Royal Irish

Constabulary - A Complete

Alphabetical List of Officers and Men, 1816-1922'

(ISBN

1-85182-502-9).

It was published in November 1999 and has just

been

reprinted in July

2000. It contains the Surnames, Christian Names

and

Registered Numbers

of all 85,028 members of the RIC who served

between

1816 and 1922;

488pp.

FOR DETAILS SEE:-

http://www.four-courts-press.ie/cgi/bookshow.cgi?file=RICabc.xml

The books can be obtained from:- Four Courts

Press, 7,

Malpas Street,

Dublin 8, Ireland. Tel.: International +

353-1-453-4668 Fax:International + 353-1-453-4672

Web: http://www.four-courts-press.ie

E-mail: info@four-courts-press.ie

The books can be ordered from Amazon and Four

Court's

Press over the

internet. In North America the books are

available

from

International

Specialized Book Services, 5804, Hassalo Street,

Portland, Oregon,

USA.

Tel. No. 1-800-944 6190; Fax No. (503) 280 8832;

E-mail; orders@isbs.com

My third book on policing is entitled "The Dublin

Metropolitan Police -

A Short History & Genealogical Guide".(ISBN

1-85182-462-6) hbk. and (ISBN 1-85182-463-4)pbk.

Was

published on 12th July 2001; 350pp.

FOR DETAILS SEE:-

http://www.four-courts-press.ie/cgi/bookshow.cgi?file=dmp.xml

My fourth book is entitled 'The Dublin

Metropolitan

Police - A Complete Alphabetical List of Officers

and

Men, 1836-1925'. (ISBN 1-85182-601-7)

hbk. has just been published on 12th July 2001;

294pp.

It contains the

names of all 12,566 members of the DMP, arranged

Surname;

Christian

Name; Warrant Number; Birth Year; Native County;

Native Parish;

Death

Year - in police service. It includes those who

joined

the DMP from

the

RIC; from the Irish Revenue Police (1832-1857);

from

the London

Metropolitan Police; and those who transferred to

the

Garda

Siochana on

Amalgamation with the DMP in 1925. It includes

members

of the DMP

who

served in WW1 and the result of such service;

those

awarded the

Kings

Police Medal between 1909 and 1925; 294pp.

FOR DETAILS SEE:-

http://www.four-courts-press.ie/cgi/bookshow.cgi?file=dmplist.xml

I look forward to hearing from you.

Regards, JIM HERLIHY

From: "bob cunning" <rcun9703@bigpond.net.au> Add to Address Book Date: Mon, 2 Feb 2004 16:41:20 +1100

Subject: [Cryan et al.] Re: Catherine Cryan

To: CRYAN-L@rootsweb.com

Hello from Australia. I am trying to find

relatives of Catherine who came to Australia in 1854. I

have been hampered because on various documents,

her name is shown as CREON/CRANE/CRYAN and even

CRYING. Her Death Cert. says that she was born in Mason

County, Maysville, Kentucky, but her Marriage

Cert. shows her birth place as Roscommon Co.

Any help here would be greatly appreciated.

Cheers, Bob in Melbourne.

Subject: Cryan Family

Date: Mon, 9 Feb 2004 16:08:49 -0500

From: "Cryan, Thomas (US - Washington D.C.)" <tcryan@deloitte.com> To: caoimhghin@yahoo.com

CC: "Jamie Cryan (E-mail)" <JCryan@fortlauderdale.gov>

My grandfather, Bernard Cryan, was probably born

sometime in the 1870's in the Roscommon area and

migrated in the 1890's to the US through the port

of New York and settled in Buffalo, New York. He

married Bridgett Ryan from Tipperary. They had 5

children: Helen, Claire, Mary, Anna and Francis,

my father.

Any information on Bernard's ancestors that you

would share with us is greatly appreciated.

Best regards, Thomas M. Cryan

Date:

Sat, 13 Mar 2004 13:05:20 -0500 (EST)

To:

caoimhghin@yahoo.com

Subject:

Hannon-Cryan--in parish of Toomour, Sligo

From:

"ELAINE HANNON" <erh5@psu.edu> Add to Address Book

Dear Kevin,

I've noticed the settlement of Cryans and Hannons

in the Tithe applotments for

the parish of Toomour in Sligo on Sheila's Sligo

page.

It seems some of our families have intermarried

as well.

I have been trying to locate a William Hannon

born around 1800,

very likely from Sligo or Mayo who married a

Bridget Malone.

I have not had any success in finding the town of

Carnaweeleen in the parish of

Toomour nor have I found any availability of

parish records. My understanding

is my family may have gone to the Catholic church

in Fallougher but I have not

located that town either.

I was wondering if you might be familiar with

these towns or villages from your

research in the area or if you would know know

other resources for this area.

I've noticed the many Hannon names in the parish

are consistant with the web

anecdote I've heard about clusters of Hannons

near Gurteen and Boyle who were

flax growers and linenmakers. Supposedly, the

area was unofficially called

Hannon Town.

Have you heard any stories similar to this for

your family? Their occupations?

Please let me know if you have any ideas on the

William mentioned or the

ancedote.

Let me know if there's anything I can do for you

on this end.

Elaine Hannon

Special Collections Library

Penn State

From: "janette" <yddraig@bellsouth.net> Add to Address Book

To: caoimhghin@yahoo.com

Subject: crain / crane dna project

Date: Tue, 16 Mar 2004 21:24:32 -0500

http://www.ftdna.com/surname_join.asp?code=K79599&special=True

hello,

i wrote to you over a year ago asking if you knew of a crane dna project. well someone has started one. i thought you should know about it in case you wanted to participate.

my cousin had a 25 marker test done.

janette ledbetter greenville county south carolina usa

Date: Thu, 18 Mar 2004 02:00:01 -0800 (PST)

From: "Caoimhghin O Croidheain" <caoimhghin@yahoo.com> Add to Address Book Subject: [Cryan et al.] Re: crain / crane dna project

To: CRYAN-L@rootsweb.com

Dear all

I received this email re crain / crane dna

project. It leads me to suggest a cryan/crean/crehan dna

project again. It would be very exciting to be

able to prove links between the different variations of

the surname and make links to eachother that would

otherwise not be possible.

Any comments or suggestions would be most welcome

...

regards

caoimhghin

--- janette <yddraig@bellsouth.net> wrote:

> http://www.ftdna.com/surname_join.asp?code=K79599&special=True

> > hello, > i wrote to you over a year ago asking if you

knew > of a crane dna project. well someone has

started > one. i thought you should know about it in case

you > wanted to participate. > my cousin had a 25 marker test done. > janette ledbetter greenville

county > south carolina usa

Date: Fri, 19 Mar 2004 17:35:39 -0800 (PST)

From: "Mary Devine" <maire1999@yahoo.com> Add to Address Book Subject: devine/cryan genealogy

To: caoimhghin@yahoo.com

Hi Kevin! I posted to your guestbook about a year and a half ago. I posted using my email of maire1999@aol.com. I just wanted to say thanks again for keeping your website up with your family history. I read the article today

about the voting in Boyle. I wonder which Devine it was that seemed to be helping to gain votes for himself..lol. Anyways, I still have the Devine genealogy in paper form. I am hoping at some point to either transcribe it to

a word file or scan it as a pdf document. I'm still trying to figure out how the silly scanner works..lol. Keep up the great work preserving the Irish heritage!!!!

Mary Devine

Boston, MA

From: "bob cunning" <rcun9703@bigpond.net.au> Add to Address Book Date: Sat, 20 Mar 2004 23:44:36 +1100

Subject: [Cryan et al.] Fw: CREON or CRYAN

To: CRYAN-L@rootsweb.com

Hello from Melbourne.I have been searching for

many years and now am asking your help.

My relative is shown as Catherine CRYAN, but on

her marriage Cert. it is CREON. Father Paul, a

farmer. Mother Winifred (nee Lonsey), place of birth

Roscommon. DOB circa 1838

It is said that the family migrated to USA when

Catherine was 'little'. This may be true as her

death Cert shows birthplace as Maysville Kentucky.

A Grand Aunt always said that Catherine was

Irish. Catherine married Charles WELCH in Melbourne in

1855.

I do hope someone can assist me. Cheers, Bob.

Date: Mon, 22 Mar 2004 02:14:13 -0500 (Eastern Standard Time)

From: "Maureen McCourt Nantista" <mornan@optonline.net> Add to Address Book Subject: Re: [Cryan et al.] Fw: CREON or CRYAN

To: CRYAN-L@rootsweb.com

Hi Bob, Have you any idea when Catherine immigrated

to Australia? Have you searched passenger lists?

Doing a soundex search of the U.S. censuses,

I've found a Paul Crain/Crane (born Ireland) and family in

Maysville, Mason County, Kentucky

in 1850 (36 yrs.), 1860 (49 yrs.) and 1870

(60yrs.). The names and ages of

the children, all born Kentucky, match-up pretty

well so I'm fairly sure it

s the same family. However, there's no Catherine.

Oldest child is a William

born abt.1842-1844

Unfortunately, there are no relationships

given in these censuses and

the name of the adult female in the household is

different each time. In

1850 it is Larna (32 yrs.), in 1860 Sarah (45

yrs,) and in 1870 Winnie (60

yrs.) All were born in Ireland. There's also a

notation in 1850 that Larna

is "insane".

If you believe there may be a connection, you

might want to find someone

who would be able to search obituary, property,

tax, church and probate

records in Maysville, Mason County to see if

perhaps a place name in Ireland

or a connection with Australia appears somewhere.

Good luck!

Maureen Nantista Huntington, NY

Date: Tue, 23 Mar 2004 05:54:54 -0800 (PST)

From: "Kathleen" <kgrone@yahoo.com> Add to Address Book

Subject: [Cryan et al.] CREEN (Green), MINER

I received some great information from my

Dad's cousin, Phil Kerner in NY. He took a chance and

looked for a Rufus Joseph GREEN instead of CREEN (the

correct spelling), which paid off.

We still don't have a birth date for Rufus but he

was born in NYC, not Germany as some thought, which

makes sense as CREEN is Irish (variation of Cryan).

Rufus' parents are John and Anna "Annie" MINER

Creen.

Some had thought Rufus was a "junior". This is

the

first I have seen of a surname for Annie. A break

through!

The information also stated Rufus married Lottie

Kerner (daughter of Philip and Jennie) October

26,

1904, Manhatten, NY, NY. Phil said he crossed

check

the information as well.

Smiles all around!

From:

Cay2545@aol.com Add to Address Book

Date:

Tue, 2 Sep 2003 08:26:26 EDT

Subject:

Re: Hi ..

To:

caoimhghin@yahoo.com

Kevin,

Good to hear from you. I had checked the lists and found the census 3 on it, so wondered if you had a year

for that one...

Yes, both Jill's and Edna's ggg's grandfathers are related to mine. I'll send you some of the information. I

believe Jill has a website with most of it on there. She's taken a position out of Texas now, where I am.

Edna is in California. It's been great to visit with both of them, and I believe Jill found another cousin, same

situation, in Houston. I have yet to follow up on her. I'm still looking for Cryan relatives in New Jersey that

were related to my father, but as you say connections are hard to find. Have you made progress with your

own? Dottie

From:

"bob cunning" <rcun9703@bigpond.net.au> Add to Address Book

Date:

Thu, 1 Apr 2004 23:22:04 +1000

Subject:

[Cryan et al.] Re: Catherine Cryan

To:

CRYAN-L@rootsweb.com

Hello from Australia. I am trying to find

relatives of Catherine who came to Australia in 1854. I

have been hampered because on various documents,

her name is shown as CREON/CRANE/CRYAN and even

CRYING

Her Death Cert. says that she was born in Mason

County, Maysville, Kentucky, but her Marriage

Cert. shows her birth place as Roscommon Co. I am

also on the Rosscommon List

Any help here would be greatly appreciated.

Cheers, Bob in Melbourne.

Date:

Tue, 6 Apr 2004 08:33:05 -0700 (PDT)

From:

"Caoimhghin O Croidheain" <caoimhghin@yahoo.com> Add to Address Book

To:

CRYAN-L@rootsweb.com

Subject:

[Cryan et al.] Cryan Memorial Tennis Tournament

Hi all,

Any connections here?

The James E. Cryan Memorial Tennis Tournament

began

in 1965, the 2004 tournament will be the 38th.

http://www.cryantennis.net/

caoimhghin

From:

"Alison Crehan Feeney" <crehan@comcast.net> Add to Address Book

Date:

Mon, 26 Apr 2004 12:39:04 -0400

To:

CRYAN-L@rootsweb.com

Subject:

[Cryan et al.] Crehans in Massachusetts

Hi all,

I am currently researching the family tree, and

am hoping someone out there

might be able to help with connections!

My great-grandfather is James Crehan, the son of

Lawrence and Catherine

Crehan (both born in Ireland) and the brother of

Thomas, Mary, Katie, John,

Elizabeth and Agnes. James was born around 1862;

according to his children's

birth records, he was born in Hingham,

Massachusetts, though my aunt and

father say they were always told he was born on

Prince Edward Island.

I have been able to pinpoint them on the 1880

census for Hingham, and have

also located some Crehan birth, marriage and

death records.

Other possible connections may exist with

Matthias Crehan and his wife

Ellen, F. Nellie Crehan, Mary Crehan Remington,

and Honora Crehan, all of

whom are buried at St. Paul's Cemetery in

Hingham, MA.

If any of these names ring any bells for you,

please contact me - crehan

(AT)comcast(DOT)net.

I'm also happy to help anyone out with lookups in

the area.

Thank you!!

From:

"Karen McElrath" Add to Address Book

Subject:

Re: [Cryan et al.] Crehans in Massachusetts

Date:

Mon, 26 Apr 2004 20:31:30 -0400 (Eastern Standard Time)

To:

CRYAN-L@rootsweb.com

hello and welcome to the list - where in

massachusetts in

hingham? i don't think i have a connection but i

do have

cryan (and feeney) ancestors in wareham and in

swampscott. i am

wondering if anyone knows of the connections

between the names

cryan and crehan. seems like this issue was

posted to the list

a few years back. i need to review the archives

one of these

days. thanks, Karen

Date:

Tue, 27 Apr 2004 02:52:01 -0700 (PDT)

From:

"Caoimhghin O Croidheain" Add to Address Book

To:

CRYAN-L@rootsweb.com

Subject:

[Cryan et al.] Crehan

Crehan tends to be the Galway version of the name

croidheain. Most famously Junior Crehan, the

Clare

fiddler whose tunes [the ones which include his

name]

I have seen translated into Irish using the

croidheain

spelling.

see

http://www.mustrad.org.uk/articles/crehan.htm

http://www.setdancingnews.net/wcss/wcssjc.htm

http://www.irishfiddle.com/junior_crehan_article.html

caoimhghin

Date:

Tue, 27 Apr 2004 05:21:21 -0700 (PDT)

From:

"Nancy Fiore" <nancy_fiore@yahoo.com> Add to Address Book

Subject:

Re: [Cryan et al.] crehan

To:

"Caoimhghin O Croidheain" <caoimhghin@yahoo.com>

Hello.

Could you send this out? Is this the right email

for

sending this out to others?

Is anyone familiar with any Crean family that

married

a Bonaparte or other French family?

My relative is Napoleon Bonaparte Crean. Many

Bonapartes lived in England and also in Waterford

and

Dublin. Does anyone know about who these

Bonapartes

married that might be Irish?

His wife was Ann, maybe Ann Lewis. Their

children

were Charles, William, Catharine, James, Thomas,

Anne.

Any help would be greatly appreciated.

Nancy

From:

"Alison Crehan Feeney" <crehan@comcast.net> Add to Address Book

Subject:

RE: [Cryan et al.] Crehans in Massachusetts

Date:

Fri, 30 Apr 2004 09:25:23 -0400

To:

CRYAN-L@rootsweb.com

Karen, Hingham is on the South Shore of Boston.

There's a great site here:

http://www.rootsweb.com/~mahingha/input.html .

Swampscott is on the North

Shore, and Wareham is towards Cape Cod.

Caoimhghin, the Hingham Library has its

birth/marriage/death records on

microfilm, as well as hundreds of years of local

papers. I was able to find

many Crehan records with little effort, including

a marriage announcement

for my great-grandparents in 1889. The library's

dedicated printer was

acting up, so I wasn't able to obtain hard

copies, but plan to return often

in the months to come. Would you like to see any

of these materials? I can

send scanned images, or transcribe details -

whatever would be most helpful

to the list.

Thanks!

Ali

-----Original Message-----

From: K.McElrath@Queens-Belfast.AC.UK

[mailto:K.McElrath@Queens-Belfast.AC.UK]On Behalf

Of Karen McElrath

Sent: Monday, April 26, 2004 8:32 PM

To: CRYAN-L@rootsweb.com

Subject: Re: [Cryan et al.] Crehans in

Massachusetts

hello and welcome to the list - where in

massachusetts in

hingham? i don't think i have a connection but i

do have

cryan (and feeney) ancestors in wareham and in

swampscott. i am

wondering if anyone knows of the connections

between the names

cryan and crehan. seems like this issue was

posted to the list

a few years back. i need to review the archives

one of these

days. thanks, karen