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Subject:
[Cryan et al.]
Roscommon Herald articles
To:
CRYAN-L@rootsweb.com
Dear all,
Just a note to say that there will be more
Roscommon
Herald articles on the
way soon (my mother,
Veronica
Cryan, is very kindly
finishing off the last few
for
me). I hope to get into
the National Library
fairly
soon to close off the
1883-1888 gap. After that
it
will be more difficult to
do 1859-1882 as these
films
are held in the Roscommon
Library. I tried to get
them
to send me the reels one
at a time to view in the
National Library but they
decided against it. So
I
will make some time to go
down and do them in
situ.
I had an article
published in Irish Roots about
the
whole collective process
of getting the articles
from
microfilm to the
internet. For those of you who
might
be interested in reading
the article but don't
subscribe to Irish Roots,
I have reproduced the
article below.
Regards to all,
Caoimhghin
Irish Roots article
Local newspapers: the
hidden archive
Caoimhghin Ó Croidheáin
Have you been researching
so long that you are
beginning to run out of resources,
archives and
even
ideas? I had been
researching my family history
for
some years and was coming
to a standstill. Like
many
researchers I was having
difficulty finding
information on the
members of my family (Cryan)
who
lived during the
nineteenth century.
The Cryan surname is historically
concentrated
around
the north Co. Roscommon /
south Co. Sligo area.
My
great great grandfather
John Cryan taught in
Croghan
National School near Boyle, Co.
Roscommon. I knew
that
he started work there in
1888 and that he died in
1905
so I decided to
systematically read all the
Roscommon
Heralds between those
years to see if I could
glean
any information about him
or his family. Such
work
would probably not be
considered by someone
starting
out in his or her family
history research but in
my
case I had exhausted many
different archives and
now
had the time to start on
a bigger project. As I
read
the papers on microfilm
in the National Library I
noted all references to
the surname, as I knew
such
information could become
important at a later
date if
different Cryan families
were linked up. This
research
has produced 125 articles
to date (all of which
are
available on my Cryan
family history website at
http://geocities.com/caoimhghin/familyhistory.html).
The whole process of
bringing the articles from
microfilm to the Internet
is somewhat convoluted
but
worth explaining in some
detail for those who
might
consider doing such work
on their own names. I
usually
spend around 2 hours at a
time in the National
Library
in Dublin looking through
the microfilmed
Roscommon
Heralds. It takes me that
amount of time to go
through
6 months of the weekly
newspaper. After taking
note of
all articles, obituaries,
court cases,
advertisements,
drawings and photographs
etc where the name Cryan
or
any variants (e.g. Crean
and Crehan) are
mentioned, I
type up a list and post it to
the Roscommon
library.
The references are then
photocopied for me from
the
microfilm by the
wonderful and helpful staff
there. I
then send the copies to
volunteer typists from
the
Rootsweb.com Cryan
mailing list who type the
articles
and email them back to
me. This allows me to
check
them over and number
them. I then put them on the
Cryan mailing list (which
has about 100 members).
The
emails are then saved to a file that I
eventually
put
in an archive on my own
website to be made
available
to neophytes.
The articles range from
the comic to the tragic.
For
example on 18 August 1889
in a report of the
Boyle
Petty Sessions the police
charged Joseph Connolly
and
Batty Cryan of Breedogue,
with "fighting on the
public
street on the fair
day" in an article entitled A
Row
about "Poteen."
This was Batty's version of the
story:
""Well,"
he says, "you thief and you robber, are
you
going to pay me for the
"poteen" whiskey you
stole
from me?" I never stole
any "poteen" from him. He
said
he would take my life if
I would not pay him for
the
"poteen"
whiskey. He had a dreadful weapon of a
stick
in his hand. I struck him
a nice little blow of a
stick just to keep him
quiet (laughter)."
Similarly, serious events
like a murder trial
were
reported with the same
level of verisimilitude.
In an
article from 23 December,
1882 on the Connaught
Winter
Assizes entitled Charge
Of Murder it was
reported:
"John Cryan,
examined by Sergeant Robinson, said
- I
left the October fair of
Boyle with James Cryan,
Thomas and Winifred
Cryan. After we had gone a
short
distance out of the town
we saw some men on the
road
before us. When we came
near to them a man named
Toolan said he was about
to be beaten on his
brother-in-law's account.
Toolan and a man named
McGowan then had a
squabble and the deceased came
up
just then. When he came up Thomas Kennedy
struck
him
on the back of the head
and knocked him down.
Kennedy
then said - "I gave
him that, and long I watched
for
him". I did not see
any blow struck but one, and
after
receiving that blow Hunt
spoke a word. Winifred
Cryan
said to the prisoner
"O Thomas, what is that you
have
done.""
In the end, Thomas
Kennedy was found guilty of
manslaughter of Thomas
Hunt and sentenced to five
years penal servitude.
While on the subject of
death,
the committed genealogist
could come across an
obituary of an ancestor
with the following
information
at the end of the
description of the funeral:
"The chief mourners
were -
Mrs. M. Cryan (wife), P.,
J., M.J., B.T., and J.
Cryan
(sons), M., M.E., and
A.E. Cryan (daughters), Mr.
P.
Cryan, Newtownforbes, and
Mr. B. Cryan,
Ballinamore
(brothers); Mr. P.
Kerins, Ballymote (uncle); Mr.
J.
Dennedy (nephew); M.
Dennedy, Dublin (niece); J.
Kerins, J. Davey, A.
Flynn, J. Benson, J.
Flanagan, P.
Davey, A. Walsh, P.
Cosgrove, B.Flynn (cousins).
Rev.
Canon Loftus officiated
at the grave. - R.I.P."
[from October 18 1902,
Death And Funeral Of Mr.
Michael Cryan, Ballymote
(Co. Sligo)]. In one
fell
swoop we have sons, daughters, uncles,
nieces,
nephews, cousins and a
grand collection of
townlands
and new extended family
names to research.
On a lighter note, what
was your ancestor like
at,
say, football? Sports
hyperbole was no different
in
the 'noughties' of the
twentieth century. The
following is from the
edition of 23 September
1901:
"Football Boyle v
Carrick-On-Shannon
[...] The Carrick
forwards made some good rushes,
but
the backs, Cryan and
Cregg, seemed impenetrable.
The
latter appeared a bit off
colour during the first
quarter of an hour, but
pulled up for it well
subsequently, as he along
with Cryan played a
most
determined and scientific
game."
Or, maybe your ancestor
played an important part
in a
major local event and you
never heard through the
family grapevine? For
example, on the 14 December
1901
a "Terrific Blaze in
Boyle" was reported:
"Big Premises
Gutted.
One of the most
disastrous conflagrations ever
witnessed in Boyle took
place at an early hour on
last
Sunday morning, when the
extensive business
establishment of Mr. W.
J. Sloan, one of the
leading
merchants in these parts,
was completely gutted
and
destroyed. […] The
following, in addition to
those
mentioned above, assisted at the
work of
quenching the
fire - Sergeant Hadlock,
Corporal Cryan, Privates
Cryan […]."
In fact, in this case,
the event had not yet
reached
into the family mythology
of Maureen McCourt
Nantista
of Huntington, NY who was
delighted to read about
her
great-grandfather, Corporal
Michael Cryan, in the
above and other Roscommon
Herald articles.
While marriage notices
were not so common then,
when
they were inserted they
contained plenty of
genealogical information.
One such notice was
published on 13 Sep1902
as follows:
"Boyle Marriages
Cryan and Devine - On September
2nd at St Francis
Xavier's church, Gardiner
St, Dublin, with
Nuptial
Mass, Mr. John Cryan,
merchant of Bridge St,
Boyle was
married to Miss Eleanor,
Mary (May) Devine,
second
eldest daughter of Mr.
Fitzmaurice Devine,
merchant,
Ballyfarnon, Co
Roscommon. The marriage ceremony
was
performed by Rev George J
Coyle PP, Highwood,
assisted
by Very Rev Canon B R
Coyne PP VF, Boyle, and the
Very
Rev Fr Conmee SJ."
Politics also played
an important part in the
lives of
the people at that time.
The controversy
surrounding
Charles Stewart Parnell
and his affair with Kitty
O'Shea had local ripples.
At a public meeting a
row
broke out which became
the subject of a Crimes
Act
Court held at Carrick-on-Shannon
and reported on
11
April 1891. According to
Constable Irwin, Robert
Cryan, a member of the
County Council, was waving
his
hat and cheering for
Parnell while Canon Hoare
was
trying to speak. The
mention of Kitty's name was
too
much for some:
"When Canon Hoare
was speaking, some one on the
platform said "Kitty
O'Shea." Paddy McManus
shouted "
Not another word"
and then in the din of the
confusion
set up again. He saw
McDermott, Cryan, and the
McManus's at the breaking
up of the platform, and
their conduct was bad.
The priests then held the
meeting in the
chapel-yard, and the Drumshambo
people
brought down Parnell's
banner, and placed it
before
the chapel door and
commenced groaning, shouting
and
whistling."
Robert Cryan was punished for
his activism. A
vote for
his expulsion from the
County Council "was
seconded
'una voce' by eleven
Nationalists and warmly
endorsed
by a ringing cheer from
hundreds outside."
Out of the 125 articles
posted on the mailing
list (so
far) only 4 articles
referred to my family
directly.
However, their
significance made the long hours
worthwhile. Both John
Cryan, my great great
grandfather, and his
daughter Mary J. Cryan were
members of the Boyle
Teachers' Association which
had
regular meetings reported
by The Roscommon
Herald. One
report of 24 October,
1896 noted John Cryan's
retirement and another of
8 February, 1902 noted
the
death of one of his sons.
The most significant of
all
was the discovery of a
long obituary article
about
Mary J. Cryan published
on 22 March, 1902 which
reported that "her
remains were interred in the
family
sepulchre at
Eastersnow" cemetery. I had made
many
disappointing field trips
over the years to the
cemeteries around Croghan
so you can imagine my
delight with this discovery.
The obituary also
mentioned cousins with
the names of Lowe and
Eardley,
which was also new
information to me.
The significance of old
local newspapers for
genealogical research lies
not just in their
range of
local stories and events,
e.g. obituaries and
court
cases, but also in the
style of reporting which
would
not be entertained in
local papers today. Court
cases
were reported verbatim so
one could have the
actual
words of an ancestor in
your collection and
almost all
the names of everyone who
attended a meeting,
funeral
or public gathering were
mentioned. You didn't
have to
do much for your 15
minutes of fame in those
days.
Indeed, the odd report on
a political gathering
would
provide a good alternative
to a local census.
Similarly, drawings of
the local people appeared
on
the front of most issues
from the early 1880s to
the
1900s. I have collected
17 drawings of Cryans and
scanned them to my
website. Photographs were rare
enough but I have found a
few of the local Cryans
(who
can also be seen at
http://geocities.com/caoimhghin/familyhistory.html).
The significance of such
photographs and drawings
lies
in the possibility that
they may be the only ones
in
existence of these
people. A nice surprise if one
turns out to be your
great great grandfather!
There
were also advertisements
for Cryan's pub in
Boyle, a
pub still carrying that
name in the centre of the
town.
Ultimately, it would be
ideal if the articles
could be
published in book form
illustrated with the ads,
drawings and photographs.
Such a book, I believe
would
be unique in Irish
genealogical research. While
the
market may appear to be
small it would have
universal
appeal in that it would
demonstrate the variety
and
style of material to be
found in Irish local
newspapers. The idea could be
developed by
setting up
projects whereby the
papers could be gleaned for
references to all names
and illustrations which
would
then be put on a website.
The current local
newspaper
titles could be
encouraged to invest in such work
on
their historical
antecedents as a way of
publicising
their newspapers and
encouraging others to see
them as
"newspapers of
record". At least by then, we will
have
gone some way in making up for
the disastrous
losses
of genealogical
information which covered the
nineteenth century.
From:
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17:27:16 +0100
Subject: [Cryan et al.]
Stephen Crean from Bandon
To:
CRYAN-L@rootsweb.com
Hi ,I'm trying to find
information about Stephen
Crean from Bandon,which I
now know is near Cork .
Although we know he
married Mary Ann Cowgrave(or
possibly Cosgrave) from
Wexford in 1850's ,we
don't know where . They
brought their children up in
Newport Mon ,but it would
be interesting to know
if anyone has connections
to Mary Ann or Stephen
before they reached
Newport . Thank you Gill
Caddy
From: "Derrick Caddy"
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08:37:36 +0100
Subject: [Cryan et al.]
Stephen Crean from Bandon
To:
CRYAN-L@rootsweb.com
Hi I'm posting this again
because a few people
have asked where Newport
and
Bandon near Cork are.
I'm interested in
information on Stephen Crean
from Bandon . Bandon is a
little to the South west
of Cork in Ireland .
Born in 1830's married to
Mary Ann Cowgrave from
Wexford Ireland in the
1850's . We don't know
whether the marriage was
in Ireland,England or
Wales
.
They ended up in Newport Monmouthshire
South
Wales U.K. They had 6 children
,descendants of the
younger children are well
scattered and mostly
accountable .Although
Annie born 1898 daughter of
James and Margaret Crean
and her younger brother
Joseph Stephen have been
impossible to find . All
children born in Newport
and their sister Frances
was brought up in Newport
by her aunt . Gill Caddy
Date: Mon, 9 Jun 2003
10:04:21 -0400
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Peter" <Peter_Farrell@troweprice.com> | This is spam | Add to
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Subject:
[Cryan et al.] Niland inheritance of Cryan Drumfin Farm. To:
CRYAN-L@rootsweb.com
Was in Ireland the past few
weeks and spent some
time at the National Library. One of the riddles I am working on is
how my GG-GF, Peter
Niland took over a farm
from Thomas Cryan in
Drumfin, Sligo. Peter was
married to Thomas'
daughter Bridget, so we had
thought Thomas had simply
given them the farm,
since they were family.
Interestingly enough
this appears to be
incorrect.
Griffins valuation at the
time, shows that Peter
Niland already rented
the farm from local
landlord Robert Orme in 1858.
This property was
divided into two parcels,
one 9.5 acres the
other 7 acres and
appraised
at 10 pounds.
Then in the Church records I found Peter
Niland
married Bridget Cryan
on July 15, 1861.
So he had acquired the
property before he
married into the Cryan
family.
My great Aunts Christina (87) and Agnes are
convinced that Peter
came from Aghamore.
Next time I will go to
National Archives and see
if I can get more notes on Thomas Cryan and his
family.
From: "Bob Cunning"
<bcunning@iprimus.com.au> | This is spam | Add to Address Book Date: Sat,
21 Jun 2003 00:28:26 +1000
Subject:
[Cryan et al.] Catherine Cryan
To:
CRYAN-L@rootsweb.com
Hello
from Australia. I am trying to find
relatives of Catherine who came to Australia
in 1854. I
have
been hampered because on various documents,
her name
is shown as CREON/CRANE/CRYAN and even
CRYING.
Her
Death Cert. says that she was born in Mason
County,
Maysville, Kentucky, but her Marriage
Cert. I
received today shows her birth place as
Roscommon Co.
Any help
here would be greatly appreciated.
Cheers,
Bob in Melbourne.
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Subject:
Bridget Cryan
Date:
Tue, 15 Jul 2003 13:31:22 -0400
My great
great Grandmother, Bridget Cryan, according to the family Bible, was born in
Roscommon, County Boyle, in 1840. Per her
wedding certificate, from Northwich, England, in
1859,
her father was John Cryan (deceased at the time). Also, per the Bible, she had
a relative,
perhaps
an uncle, who was a great Irish priest poet.
Bridget
married Michael Gallagher , and had a son, Felix, in Northwich, in 1860. They
emigrated to the US around 1862 or 1863 and
settled in Poughkeepsie, NY, where Bridget died in
1890.
Does any
of this sound familiar with your research?
Kathleen
Gallagher Kilburn
Date:
Mon, 28 Jul 2003 02:48:59 -0400 (Eastern Standard Time)
From:
"Maureen McCourt Nantista" <mornan@optonline.net> | This is
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Cryan
Deaths in England To: caoimhghin@yahoo.com
Hi
Caoimhghin,
From the
website Family Research Link http://www.1837online.com I've paid for and
downloaded all the pages with Cryan entries in the death indexes for the years
1920 through the first quarter of 1959. I'm
attaching one of the pages here, but if you
haven't used their database yet, you'll have to go to the site
and
download the viewer in order to open the file.
While
there, please go to the 'about us' page and scroll down to the 'terms and
conditions' link. Of
particular interest is 4.1 - 4.3. I'm not able
to personally transcribe all the data at this time so my question
to you
is - do you see any way we might make use of this information for the benefit
of the Cryan list
members
without violating any of the restrictions.
Hope
you're enjoying the summer!
Regards,
Maureen
Nantista
Huntington, NY
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Date:
Fri, 13 Jun 2003 13:52:40 EDT
Subject:
thanks To: caoimhghin@yahoo.com, fuller_edna@yahoo.com
Edna,
I found
this article by Kevin on the message board for Cryan family. It's his article
from the Irish magazine. I didn't know if you'd seen it or not. If you can't
click on the heart at the bottom of the note, then go to
http://archiver.rootsweb.com/th/read/CRYAN You should be able to find his
article. Kevin, Once again, you make life interesting! I have just had time to
re-group after a move from one end of Texas to the other. I found your note
about your article on the family research. The article is wonderful! You make
the research interesting and humorous and tragic all at one time. Thank you
again for your diligence and enthusiasum about your research. By the way, Edna
Fuller and
Jill
Devito have both been discovered as cousins of mine. We share the same line
from Michael
Cryan
and Bridget Foley. Michael's parents were James Cryan and Mary Phillips, a line
which
seems to
stop there for the researchers at this time. They were all baptized, married,
most
probably
at the church in Ballaghadereen, Roscommon. They owned land in a small village
group
called
Groof, from Paul Cryan's records (relative of Jill's) So the message board has
connected
cousins,
Edna, Jill and Dottie, who now e-mail regularly and share information and pixs.
Thank
you
again for all of your help! Dottie Cryan Chegwidden RootsWeb: CRYAN-L [Cryan et
al.]
Roscommon Herald articles
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Date:
Fri, 13 Jun 2003 14:09:55 EDT
Subject:
question about Cryan family To:
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Kevin,
As I
understand it, there are a great number of Irish people from the early
immigration times buried in St. Patrick's cemetery in the Lowell, MA. area. Do
you know of any materials, information sites, etc. that might include the
burial information for family. I was told that was where many of my ggg
grandparents were buried . Dottie Cryan Chegwidden
Did you
ever find a connection with the Sligo/Roscommon Cryan famlies?
Date:
Fri, 20 Jun 2003 07:03:59 -0700 (PDT)
From:
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| Add to Address Book Subject: [Cryan et al.] Roscommon Herald Articles No 125
To:
CRYAN-L@rootsweb.com Roscommon Herald Articles
No 125
November
17 1883
A charge
of intimidation entered by Mrs Cryan of
Ballinultha against Sarah Kennedy was marked
withdrawn
as the
parties were relatives and had settled the
matter.
Date:
Fri, 20 Jun 2003 07:05:01 -0700 (PDT)
From:
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| Add to Address Book Subject: [Cryan et al.] Roscommon Herald Articles No 126
To:
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Roscommon Herald Articles No 126
March 8
1884
Sudden
death
On
Wednesday morning a plasterer named Michael
Cryan
residing
at Sheegora, near Boyle, who had been in
his
usual
good health on the previous day, was found
dead
in his
bed.
bcunning" <bcunning@iprimus.com.au>
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Date:
Tue, 19 Aug 2003 00:12:07 +1000
Subject:
[Cryan et al.] Fw: Catherine Cryan
To:
CRYAN-L@rootsweb.com
Hello
from Australia. I am trying to find
relatives of Catherine who came to Australia
in 1854. I
have
been hampered because on various documents,
her name
is shown as CREON/CRANE/CRYAN and even
CRYING.
Her
Death Cert. says that she was born in Mason
County,
Maysville, Kentucky, but her Marriage
Cert. I
received today shows her birth place as
Roscommon Co.
Any help
here would be greatly appreciated.
Cheers,
Bob in Melbourne.
Date:
Sun, 24 Aug 2003 14:09:13 -0700 (PDT)
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Subject:
[Cryan et al.] New List Members - researching Rufus Joseph Creen
To:
CRYAN-L@rootsweb.com
Greetings,
My names
is Kathleen O'Donnell Grone. I live in
South
Dakota (I recently moved here). I have just
joined
the Cryan list. From what I understand you
also
research the spelling variant of Creen (and
others).
I am
researching CREEN's from Ireland.
This is
what I have thus far.
Descendants of Creen (my line is in red)
1 CREEN
b: in Ireland
... 2
Unk CREEN b: in Ireland d: in Ireland
.......
+Anna "ANNIE" b: June 18, 1859 d: 1920
in
Manhatten, New York
......... 3 Isabella CREEN b: February 1882
......... 3 Rufus Joseph CREEN, Sr. b: May
1885
in Ireland
d: Abt. 1940 in New York
............. +Charlotte Louisa
"Lottie" KERNER
b:
November 27, 1886 in Manhatten, New York, New
York d:
March 13, 1959 in Brooklyn, Kings County,
New York
m: Abt. 1900 in New York
............... 4 Joseph CREEN
...............
4 Isabell M. CREEN b: October
5, 1905
in Brooklyn, New York d: October 1, 1938
in
Catskills, New York
................... +Lester Aloyisius
O'DONNELL
b:
August 30, 1906 in Brooklyn, New York d: March
2, 1992
in Yonkers, New York m: 1923 in Brooklyn,
New York
............... 4 Rufus Joseph CREEN, Jr. b:
December
15, 1908 in New York d: January 1985 in
Riverhead, Suffolk County, New York
................... +Eleanor A. b: October 2,
1910 d:
September 24, 1994 in Riverhead, Suffolk
County,
New York
............... 4 Jessica CREEN b: Abt. 1911
......... 3 Harry CREEN
............. +Margurite GROSS
............... 4 William Clarence CREEN b:
April
11, 1920
... 2
John A. CREEN
.........
3 Harry CREEN
............... 4 Roy CREEN d: in Suffolk Co.,
NY (Long
Island?)
............... 4 Howard CREEN d: in Bronx,
New York
............... 4 William CLARENCE d: in
Saugerties, Ulster Co., New York
................... +Georgianna DYKSHOORN
The
Creen's have been difficult to research.
Recently
I have found a bit more information due to
the
cooperative help of some wonderful relatives.
One
thing that has made it difficult to research
is that
Rufus Creen and Charlotte Kerner divorced
and
Rufus wasn't heard from much thereafter.
Charlotte remarried James J. O'Donnell (we had
a
father
and son marry a mother and daughter).
1930
census, .Brooklyn, Kings County, ED 925,
page
15A:
Ruffus
Creen, age 43, single, occupation -
elevator
operator, Ruffus was roomer in household of
Oliver
Orlando (note-according to this census,
Rufus
was born in NY, father born in Ireland, mother
born in
Ireland)
An aunt
sent the following-
New York
censuses for 1900 and 1910. "I did
however
find Annie Creen, widow, mother of Isabella
and
Rufus Joseph Creen in the 1900 census. This
Rufus
Joseph Creen was born in May 1885 in NY and
was
Charlotte Kerner's first husband and
father
of our Isabelle Creen, wife of Lester. I
can send
you a copy of that
page if
you would like to have it..."
My
Grandmother Isabell M. Creen O'Donnell
attended
Our Lady of Perpetual Health parochial school
in
Flatbush, New York. In May of 1922 she received
her High
School diploma. Isabell was 5'10" tall,
very
beautiful. She had dark auburn hair and
freakles. The family spent a lot of time in
the
Catskills.
Isabell
died at the age of 33 while pregnant with
her 7th
child due to an infection. The child died
also.
The family was living in Queens at the
time at
112-33 Colfax Street. She died a few days
before
her birthday. She was buried on her
birthday
October 5, 1938. She was buried in Holy Cross
Cemetary
in Brooklyn, New York.
__________________________________________________
I found
the following information a few years
back in
hopes that it would lead me somewhere - it
hasn't
yet but you never know! I will share it.
Pat R.
kindly explained to me (and far better
than I
ever could, even if I had known) what the
1796
Spinning Wheel Index of Names is, and I quote:
"As
I understand it, the Linen manufacturers, in
order to
encourage the increased planting of flax
throughout the country, promised a spinning
wheel
to each
farmer who would turn over an acre of
land to
flax. The advantage that this list offers
is the
naming of tenants rather than just land
owners
at a time that is not covered by other
records.
"The
All Ireland Heritage Series Edition of the
Alphabetical Index to the Names contained in
the
Premium
Entitlement lists of the Trustees of the
Linen
and Hempen Manufacturers of Ireland/ AKA the
1796
Spinning Wheel List." The printed record
covers
approved claims for 89,506 spinning wheels
(or
equivalent units). Since the average award per
person
was less than two wheels, the list
includes
at least 50,000 individuals. Ulster excelled
with
57,811 wheels reported (64%)" Dublin and
Wicklow
had no listings."
Creen,
John: Down; Kilclief
Creen,
John: Down; Maghera
Creen,
John: Roscommon; Kilumad
Creen,
Michael: Down; Ballyculter
Thank
you and have a great week! God Bless,
Kathleen
"Patrick Cryans"
<pat@pcryans.fsnet.co.uk> | Add to Address Book
To: "Caoimhghin O Croidheain"
<caoimhghin@yahoo.com>
Subject: R I C RECORDS
Date: Thu, 16 Oct 2003 18:25:01 +0100
Hi Caoimhghin,
Hope you are well and ok. I am aat present
researching the R I C records.
I have managed to obtain a very good book by
James Herily from the British Library but can you give me any info that you
might have researched.
There were about 20 Cryans in the R I C in
various locations at least 2 came from Keash Sligo . Patrick Cryan
Joseph Cryan
Both brothers and relations of the J P Big
John Cryan of Carrowcrory Keash
Patrick Francis Cryans
Sat, 18
Oct 2003 12:36:44 -0700 (PDT)
From:
"Sheila Anderson-Wray" <pipersdaughter@yahoo.com> | Add to
Address Book Subject: Joseph Peter Crean 1923 - 2000
To:
caoimhghin@yahoo.com
I am
hoping you are the answer to our prayers. I have a friend with the surname
Crean - she is the daughter
of the
late gentleman mentioned above. He walked out of the family when she was a
small child in the mid to
late
50's. In 1954 - the year my friend was born, he published - privately we
believe, a small volume of poems
entitled
'Bones and Ashes' and he wrote is under the name of Peter Crean.
She was
born and raised in Italy and her father originally came from County Cork, the
Mallow/Carrokeale
area.
She has
just discovered that he died in August 2000 in the WC1 area of London -
ironically the very borough
she had
settled in in the early 1990's.
If you
know any other family of my friends father I would be eternally grateful, all
of her friends want to find a
living
Crean relative for her and surprise her for her 50th birthday which is in
January 2004. Cheers Sheila M Anderson-Wray
Tue, 21
Oct 2003 02:05:41 -0700 (PDT)
From:
"Caoimhghin O Croidheain" <caoimhghin@yahoo.com> | Add to
Address Book Subject: [Cryan et al.] Joseph Peter Crean 1923 - 2000
To:
CRYAN-L@rootsweb.com
Sat, 18
Oct 2003 12:36:44 -0700 (PDT)
From:"Sheila Anderson-Wray"
<pipersdaughter@yahoo.com>
I am
hoping you are the
answer
to our
prayers. I have a friend with the surname
Crean
- she is
the daughter of the late gentleman
mentioned
above.
He walked out of the family when she was a
small
child in the mid to late 50's. In 1954 -
the
year my
friend was born, he published - privately
we
believe,
a small volume of poems entitled 'Bones
and
Ashes'
and he wrote is under the name of Peter
Crean.
She was
born and raised in
Italy
and her
father originally came from County Cork,
the
Mallow/Carrokeale area.
She has
just discovered
that he
died in
August 2000 in the WC1 area of London -
ironically the very borough she had settled in
in
the
early
1990's.
If you
know any other
family
of
my
friends father I would be eternally grateful,
all
of her
friends want to find a living Crean
relative
for her
and surprise her for her 50th birthday
which
is in
January 2004.
Cheers
Sheila M
Anderson-Wray
From:
"Bill and Anita Crane" <wcrane2@san.rr.com> | Add to Address
Book To: "Caoimhghin O Croidheain" <caoimhghin@yahoo.com>
Subject:
Re: [Cryan et al.] Joseph Peter Crean 1923 - 2000
Date:
Tue, 21 Oct 2003 08:09:10 -0700
Re:
Joseph Peter Crean
My
father was born John Patrick O'Crean in 1903
in
Philadelphia. He was the
son of
very recent Irish emigrants and his father
was from
Cork. This could
be a
relative. Check with the family members in
Philadelphia with the
surname
of Crane or Crean or O'Crean. Several of
my
Philadelphia relatives
kept in
contact with relatives in Ireland.
Bill
Crane
San
Diego, California
>
>
>
"jcrain" <jcrain@primus.com.au> | Add to Address Book
To:
"Caoimhghin O Croidheain"
<caoimhghin@yahoo.com>
Subject:
RE:
[Cryan et al.] Joseph Peter Crean 1923 - 2000
Date:
Sun, 26
Oct 2003 20:34:30 +1100
Sorry I
do not have a Joseph Peter Crean in my
line. My
Crean relatives came
from
County Sligo.
Sorry I
Cant help but wish you luck in your
search.
Regards, Jim Crain
Date:
Sun, 26 Oct 2003 17:56:22 +0000 (GMT)
From:
"denise mcdonald" <denisejanemcdonald@yahoo.co.uk> | Add to
Address Book Subject: Cryan
To:
caoimhghin@yahoo.com
Hi
there,
My name
is Denise McDonald and my mothers maiden name is Cryans.
I dont
know much about my families history, but I do know that somewhere along the
lines there was an 's'
added to
Cryan and I really want to track my family tree.
Please
contact me and I can let you know names etc
Regards
Denise
Patrick Cryans" <pat@pcryans.fsnet.co.uk>
| Add to Address Book
To:
"Caoimhghin O Croidheain" <caoimhghin@yahoo.com>
Subject:
Re: Fw: R I C INDEX RECORDS OF CRYAN,S
Date:
Mon, 27 Oct 2003 20:38:45 -0000
Caoimhghin,
Just
thought i would let you know that
Patrick
and Joseph Cryan were from Keash
Townland
Tully Cousin to the big John Cryan J P.
Joseph
had a shop in
Ballymote after retiring.
Patrick
Date:
Tue, 28 Oct 2003 02:08:14 -0800 (PST)
From:
"Caoimhghin O Croidheain" <caoimhghin@yahoo.com> | Add to Address
Book Subject: [Cryan et al.] CRYANS
To:
CRYAN-L@rootsweb.com
Sun, 26
Oct 2003 17:56:22 From:"denise mcdonald"
<denisejanemcdonald@yahoo.co.uk>
Hi all
Can anyone help Denise?
caoimhghin
Hi
there, My name is Denise McDonald and my
mothers
maiden name is Cryans. I dont know much about my
families
history, but I do know that somewhere
along
the
lines there was an 's' added to Cryan and I
really
want to
track my family tree.
Please
contact me and I can
let you
know names etc
Regards
Denise
__________________________________
From:
"Patrick Cryans" <pat@pcryans.fsnet.co.uk> | Add to Address
Book To: "Caoimhghin O Croidheain" <caoimhghin@yahoo.com>
Subject:
Re: Fw: R I C INDEX RECORDS OF CRYAN,S
Date:
Tue, 28 Oct 2003 20:52:33 -0000
Caoimhghin,
I have
contacted Denise today.
re John
Cryan J P Idont know if he was related i
just
have a lot of info on
that
family even a photo of Patrick Cryan in his
R I C
uniform.
RE: [Cryan et al.] CRYANS Date:
Wed, 29
Oct 2003 09:48:55 -0500
From:
"Farrell, Peter" <Peter_Farrell@troweprice.com> | Add to
Address Book To:
CRYAN-L@rootsweb.com
Hi
Denise,
I'm not
familiar with Cryan(s), but most of us
love
this stuff. Can you
tell us
what you do know? Perhaps give us the
earliest
known Cryans
family
members name, with date/place of birth.
Do you
know any of their
siblings
names? We can work back, or at least
point
you to the proper
resources.
Best of
Luck, Patrick
From:
"bcunning" <bcunning@iprimus.com.au> | Add to Address Book
Date:
Thu, 30 Oct 2003 21:47:19 +1100
Subject:
[Cryan et al.] Fw: CREON or CRYAN
To:
CRYAN-L@rootsweb.com
Hello
from Melbourne.I have been searching for
many
years and now am asking your help.
My
relative is shown as Catherine CRYAN, but on
her
marriage Cert. it is CREON. Father Paul, a
farmer.
Mother Winifred (nee Lonsey), place of
birth
Roscommon. DOB circa 1838
It is
said that the family migrated to USA when
Catherine
was 'little'. This may be true as her
death
Cert shows birthplace as Maysville Kentucky.
A Grand
Aunt always said that Catherine was
Irish.
Catherine married Charles WELCH in Melbourne in
1855.
I do
hope someone can assist me. Cheers, Bob.
Thu, 30
Oct 2003 08:15:32 -0800 (PST)
From:
"Caoimhghin O Croidheain" <caoimhghin@yahoo.com> | Add to
Address Book Subject: [Cryan et al.] IRISH ARGENTINES TO BE IRISH NATIONALS
(Cryan) To: CRYAN-L@rootsweb.com
http://www.irlandeses.com.ar/petition/petition.htm
The
petition with almost 2.000 signatures has
been
presented to the Irish Minister for Justice,
Equality
and Legal Reform, Mr. John O'Donoghue, T.D., who
has
acknowledged receipt of the same but has not
yet
ruled
formally on the issue. As soon as we know his
decision,
we will
let you know.
MANY
THANKS, GURA MÍLE MAITH AGAIBH,
FOR YOUR
CONTINUED SUPPORT
PETITION
IRISH
ARGENTINES TO BE IRISH NATIONALS
Petition
Recipient
Minister
for Justice, Equality and Law Reform
Mr. John
O'Donoghue, T.D.
The
Petition
We, the
undersigned, citizens of
the
Argentine Republic and their supporters, draw
the
attention of the Government of Ireland to the
following issue:
Whereas
Irish men and women
emigrated
from
Ireland to the River Plate (currently,
Argentina
and
Uruguay), particularly during the nineteenth
century
at a time when economic and social
conditions
in
Ireland encouraged emigration and Argentina
offered
opportunities for a better life,
Whereas
the economic and social
situation in Argentina does not allow the
descendants
of those
emigrants and their families to wholly
fulfil
the
dreams of their forefathers regarding the
access
to basic
levels of security, health and
education,
Whereas
members of the
Irish-Argentine
community, most of whom are great-grand
children
of
Irish
emigrants, would like to have the
opportunity to
live and
work in Ireland, just as Argentina
offered
the same
opportunities to Irish people in the
past,
Whereas
under the terms and
provisions
of the
Irish Nationality and Citizenship Acts of
1956
and
1986, those members of the Irish-Argentine
community could not obtain the Irish citizenship
and
could
not in this way live legally in Ireland,
Therefore, your petitioners request
that
the
Minister of Justice, Equality and Law Reform
allow
Argentine-born great-grand children of Irish
nationals
to
become Irish nationals themselves or in the
alternative to be able to seek and obtain
employment
in
Ireland as if they were Irish nationals.
Yours
sincerely
Patricia
Hynes O'Connor, Edmundo
Murray,
Jorge Ricardo Fox
Among
others -
Claudia
Cryan, Eduardo Cryan,Patricia Mayra
Cryan,
Silvia Cryan
From:
"Michael Artes" <Michael.Artes@bmw.co.uk> | Add to Address Book
To: "'jonathan_creaser@compuserve.com'"
<jonathan_creaser@compuserve.com>
CC:
"'caoimhghin@yahoo.com'" <caoimhghin@yahoo.com>
Subject:
Castlecawley
Date:
Tue, 4 Nov 2003 09:19:11 -0000
Just saw
your note on the interenet about
Castlecawley, Achonry. Larry Cryan
and
Michael Cryan
My
in-laws come from round there, I could check
out if
they no anything
about
the Cryan Family
Regards
Mike A
Date:
Tue, 04 Nov 2003 13:52:15 +0000
Subject:
Cryan family of Shroove/Falleens in 1911 census?
From:
"Pat Hunt" <pathunt1@indigo.ie> | Add to Address Book
To:
"Caoimhghin O Croidheain" <caoimhghin@yahoo.com>
Caoimhghin, a chara,
Pat Hunt
here. You might be able to help me and at short
notice
and then again you
might
not. Or one of your diligent friends on the
Internet
might be able to
help.
I have
decided to publish an article about
Master Thomas
Cryan
(18531905)
of College in the Bog (Townabrack NS)
fame in
this year's
Ballaghaderreen Echoes, which goes to print at
the end
of this week.
I have
conflicting stories about his progeny.
I traced
two of his sons
William
and Thomas (aka Patrick) to Clongowes
Wood
College, and I find a
third
called Robert (Bertie) at home in Falleens
(or
Fauleens, or Shroove or
Mullaghatee) in the 1901 census. Master Cryan
died in
1905, but there is no
mention
of William in the obituary notice.
Confused? Well you can imagine my
moideration (coined that word just now).
What I
urgently need to know is if Mary Cryan
(wife of
late Tom, and
principal of Townabrack girls' NS) is still in
the
Fauleens/Shroove/
Mullaghatee area in the 1911 census. Townlands
are
interchangable; which one
was used
depends on the humour or local knowledge
of the
census taker.
Thank
you, Pat Hunt
Date:
Tue, 04 Nov 2003 16:40:49 +0000
From:
"Pat Hunt" <pathunt1@indigo.ie> | Add to Address Book
Subject:
[Cryan et al.] Help really needed
Eve,
I am
writing an article for the
Ballaghaderreen Echoes 2003 magazine on
the
subject of Thomas Cryan NT (1853-1905) and
his
school, Townabrack NS,
much
better known as The College in the Bog.
I have
an apparently intractable problem.
Tradition has it that Cryan
had just
two sons, but I have found three. I
found
records of two sons
William
and Thomas (aka Patrick) in the Clongowes
Wood
college records. But
the 1901
census records a Robert (Bertie) aged
12, son
of Thomas and Mary
Cryan of
Falleens, Shroove, Monasteraden.
Robert's
name occurs again in his
father's
obituary notice, but the same notice
says
Cryan had two sons. He
had one
daughter, Amelia, who served with the
League
of Nations in Geneva.
Part of
my problem is that Mrs Mary Cryan
seems to
have taken her family
to
Dublin some time after her husband's death.
The
family just disappeared
into the
mists of time.
Right
now I wonder if anybody has a copy of
the 1911
census records for
the
area, and would check to see if Mary Cryan
(occupation: teacher in
Townabrack girls' NS) is still there at that
time.
I am
under a lot of work pressure this week
and just
cannot get in to
the
National Archive to check the census. My
deadline
is the end of this
week. If
your or any body can help with this
query, I
would be thrilled.
Thank
you, Pat Hunt
--
From:
"Judith Burkhardt" <jburkhardt@adamswells.com> | Add to Address
Book
Date:
Mon, 10 Nov 2003 11:07:47 -0500
Subject:
[Cryan et al.] CRYAN & FLYNN
To:
CRYAN-L@rootsweb.com
Hi List,
This is
my first posting, but hope someone out
there recognizes
and ties
into my
little Cryan family.
I am
looking for Catherine Cryan Flynn's siblings
and more
info. on her
parents.
Catherine was born ca. 1853 in either
Middletown, Orange Co., or
possibly
Sullivan Co., NY and died 29 Dec 1905 in
Fulton
Co., NY and buried
at St.
Mary's cemetery (they were Catholic). I
know
little about her parents
other
then their names Michael Cryan and Mary?
Ferguson, whom I believe
migrated
to NY from somewhere in Ireland.
Catherine,
married Michael F. Flynn 15 June 1881
in
Fulton, Oswego Co., NY
and they
were the parents of 8 children. I have
their
names, it anyone is
interested, but trying to stick with the Cryan
side
here.
If
anyone sees a connection, I would love to hear
from you
or if anyone can
offer
any suggestions were to search further, I
would
appreciate this as
well.............I hope there are some cousins
out
there.
One last
thing, can someone tell my how the Cryan
name is
pronounced.
Someone
told me is was pronounced like Crane and
another
like Crayon. Thanks
so much
for help you can supply..........Judi
Karen McElrath"
<k.mcelrath@qub.ac.uk> | Add to Address Book
Subject:
Re: [Cryan et al.] CRYAN & FLYNN
Date:
Mon, 10 Nov 2003 16:00:24 -0500 (Eastern Standard Time)
To:
CRYAN-L@rootsweb.com
hello
judith: i can't help you with your line,
but we
pronounce
the name
as it rhymes with ryan. however, my
great
grandfather
was
martin cryan from brougher, county sligo, who
allegedly pronounced it quickly so that it
sounded
like crane.
in fact,
his naturalisation papers show the name
spelled
CRAIN.
good
luck, karen
A. Riley" <ariley@ltp.org> | Add to
Address Book
Subject:
RE: [Cryan et al.] CRYAN & FLYNN
Date:
Mon, 10 Nov 2003 15:09:31 -0600
To:
CRYAN-L@rootsweb.com
Same
here. The old records in Sligo Ireland and
the 1848
ship's list show
great-great-grandmother's surname as Cryan,
the
slightly
later records in
Massachusetts show it as Crane, and the later
records
in Wisconsin (and her
gravestone, 1880) show it as Crain.
So I'm
guessing it was always pronounced Crane.
A. Riley
Date:
Tue, 11 Nov 2003 08:23:33 -0800 (PST)
From:
"Nancy Fiore" <nancy_fiore@yahoo.com> Add to Address Book Subject:
Could you please send out this inquiry for me?
To:
caoimhghin@yahoo.com
Hello,
I
replied to a post from the Cryan list --
"Judith
Burkhardt"
<jburkhardt@adamswells.com> on the
Cryan-Flynn question, but I really wanted to
post
to all
the Crean and Crane and Crain families also.
I have
added more names in this post than the one I
sent to
Judith.
By
hitting reply, does everyone on the list get
the
email? The title of Cryan-Flynn is not correct
for my
purposes. This list is new to me, so where
should I
ask my
question?
Information for all:
I talked
with some archive specialists from the
U.S.
National
Archives, and they told me that the
census
takers
were instructed to "hurry up" and write
down
what
they heard for the names. They were told
NOT to
ask how
the names were spelled because it took
too
long,
and they were paid by the quantity of names
they
wrote
down.
In 1870,
all the names that were really Crean,
etc.
were
written down as CRANE -- every one of them!
In
some
other states, they were written as CRAIN.
It all
depended
on who wrote it down, and how they
wanted
to
spell
it! At least we do know for sure that they
"heard" a long vowel a in the name.
Some
people continued to use the new spelling,
while
others
went back to the old way. Children in the
same
family
ended up with various spellings because of
the
census
takers, who were simply doing what they
were
told to
do to make the process more efficient.
By the
way, all Irish people were written down as
English
on their naturalization papers until
1922.
They
were required to give up their "allegiance"
to
the
Queen until that year, when they once again
had a
country
of their own called Ireland. I am from
America,
so if I didn't explain this right,
please
forgive
me.
Question:
If
anybody knows anything about my ancestors, I
would
appreciate the information, or at least a hint
of
where to
look in Ireland -- like which county did
they
come
from? They came from Dublin, Ireland, June
24,
1851, on
the ship Fortuna. That is all I know
about
them in
Ireland. In America, we have Napoleon
Crean,
Anne
Crean, Charles Crean, William Thomas Crean,
Catherine Crean, James Thomas Crean, Andrew
Crean,
Raymond
Crean, Lester Crean, Thomas Aloysius
Crean,
Dorothy
Crean, Arthur Bryan Crean, Ralph Crean,
Roy
Crean,
Etta Crean, Mabel Crean, Gertrude Crean,
Blanche
Crean, Bessie (Betty Crean), and a host
of
others.
Mary Anne Dillon and Arthur Decker are
also
related
to our Crean family in America. If these
names
sound familiy, please let me know.
Many of
my family use Crean, but others use
Crane. I
did find
a Napoleon Bonaparte Crain in America,
but he
is not
my forefather. He could be a relative,
though.
Thanks
so much.
Nancy
Fiore, descendant of Napolean Bonaparte
Crean
and Ann Crean of Chicago, Illinois, USA
Date:
Tue, 11 Nov 2003 08:32:46 -0800 (PST)
From:
"Nancy Fiore" <nancy_fiore@yahoo.com> Add to Address Book
Subject: Revised inquiry -- added last name of Lewis to Crean list
To:
caoimhghin@yahoo.com
Hello,
I
replied to a post from the Cryan list --
"Judith
Burkhardt"
<jburkhardt@adamswells.com> on the
Cryan-Flynn question, but I really wanted to
post
to all
the Crean and Crane and Crain families also.
I
have
added more names in this post than the one I
sent
to
Judith.
By
hitting reply, does everyone on the list get
the
email?
The title of Cryan-Flynn is not correct
for my
purposes. This list is new to me, so where
should I
ask my
question?
Information for all:
I talked
with some archive specialists from the
U.S.
National
Archives, and they told me that the
census
takers
were instructed to "hurry up" and write
down
what
they heard for the names. They were told
NOT to
ask how
the names were spelled because it took
too
long,
and they were paid by the quantity of names
they
wrote
down.
In 1870,
all the names that were really Crean,
etc.
were
written down as CRANE -- every one of them!
In
some
other states, they were written as CRAIN.
It all
depended
on who wrote it down, and how they
wanted
to
spell
it! At least we do know for sure that they
"heard" a long vowel a in the name.
Some
people continued to use the new spelling,
while
others
went back to the old way. Children in the
same
family
ended up with various spellings because of
the
census
takers, who were simply doing what they
were
told to
do to make the process more efficient.
By the
way, all Irish people were written down as
English
on their naturalization papers until
1922.
They
were required to give up their "allegiance"
to
the
Queen until that year, when they once again
had a
country
of their own called Ireland. I am from
America,
so if I didn't explain this right,
please
forgive
me.
Question:
If
anybody knows anything about my ancestors, I
would
appreciate the information, or at least a hint
of
where to
look in Ireland -- like which county did
they
come
from? They came from Dublin, Ireland, June
24,
1851, on
the ship Fortuna. That is all I know
about
them in
Ireland. In America, we have Napoleon
Crean,
Anne
Crean, Charles Crean, William Thomas Crean,
Catherine Crean, James Thomas Crean, Andrew
Crean,
Raymond
Crean, Lester Crean, Thomas Aloysius
Crean,
Dorothy
Crean, Arthur Bryan Crean, Ralph Crean,
Roy
Crean,
Etta Crean, Mabel Crean, Gertrude Crean,
Blanche
Crean, Bessie (Betty Crean), and a host
of
others.
Mary Anne Dillon, Arthur Decker and the
last
name
Lewis (Lewis/Crean marriage) are also
related
to our Crean family in America. If these
names
sound familiy, please let me know.
Many of
my family use Crean, but others use
Crane. I
did find
a Napoleon Bonaparte Crain in America,
but he
is not
my forefather. He could be a relative,
though.
Thanks
so much.
Nancy
Fiore, descendant of Napolean Bonaparte
Crean
and Ann
Crean of Chicago, Illinois, USA
From:
"Derrick Caddy" <derrickcaddy@ntlworld.com> Add to Address Book
To: "Caoimhghin O Croidheain" <caoimhghin@yahoo.com> Subject:
Re: [Cryan et al.] Crean search and info on naming in USA Date: Tue, 11 Nov
2003 18:30:30 -0000
We have
just found out that our Stephen Crean who
went to
the Us from the Uk
in 1879
was in Chicago Illinois in 1900 . He was
married
to Stella who was
French
.He was in New York in 1880 and was a
cornet
player.When I saw
Napoleon
among your family names I wondered if
there
was a connection .
Stephens
family were from Cork and then Newport
South
Wales . His birthplace
was down
as England though Ireland was given as
the land
of his parents. We
believe
he was shot by his business partner but
have no
further information
on that
episode . All the best Gill in Barry
>
From: "Nancy Fiore" <nancy_fiore@yahoo.com>
>
>
>
> In
1870, all the names that were really Crean,
>
etc. were written down as CRANE -- every one
of them!
>
> In
some other states, they were written as
CRAIN.
> It
all depended on who wrote it down, and how
they
>
wanted to spell it! At least we do know for
sure
that
> they
"heard" a long vowel a in the name.
>>
Question:
> If
anybody knows anything about my ancestors,
I
>
would appreciate the information, or at least
a hint
> of
where to look in Ireland -- like which
county
did
>
they come from? They came from Dublin,
Ireland,
June
> 24,
1851, on the ship Fortuna. That is all I
know
>
about them in Ireland. In America, we have
Napoleon
>
Crean, Anne Crean, Charles Crean, William
Thomas
>
Crean, Catherine Crean, James Thomas Crean,
Andrew
>
Crean, Raymond Crean, Lester Crean, Thomas
Aloysius
>
Crean, Dorothy Crean, Arthur Bryan Crean,
Ralph
>
Crean,
> Roy
Crean, Etta Crean, Mabel Crean, Gertrude
Crean,
>
Blanche Crean, Bessie (Betty Crean), and a
host
> of
others. Mary Anne Dillon, Arthur Decker and
the
>
last name Lewis (Lewis/Crean marriage) are
also
>
related to our Crean family in America. If
these
>
names sound familiy, please let me know.
>
>
Many of my family use Crean, but others use
>
Crane. I did find a Napoleon Bonaparte Crain
in
>
America, but he is not my forefather. He could
be a
>
relative, though.
>
>
Thanks so much.
>
>
Nancy Fiore, descendant of Napolean Bonaparte
>
Crean and Ann Crean of Chicago, Illinois, USA
>
>
From:
"Derrick Caddy" <derrickcaddy@ntlworld.com> Add to Address Book
To:
"Caoimhghin O Croidheain"
<caoimhghin@yahoo.com>
Subject:
Re: [Cryan et al.] Crean search and info on naming in USA
Date:
Tue, 11 Nov 2003 18:55:56 -0000
I should
be on the list as the messages got
through
.
It's
only the last few days when Brian on the
Glamorgan list wrote to let us
know of
the free trial period at Proquest that I
found
some information on
Stephen
after the 1880 census. I pressed reply
and
assumed the reply was
sent to
the whole list .I'll try reply all . In
1884
Stephen played the
cornet
with the 69th regiment band . Gill in
Barry
Date:
Wed, 12 Nov 2003 16:51:24 -0800 (PST)
From:
"Kathleen" <kgrone@yahoo.com> Add to Address Book
Subject:
[Cryan et al.] CRY'an
To:
CRYAN-L@rootsweb.com
My
Grandmother was Isabell M. Creen. According to
my
grandfather and other family Creen, Creen,
Cryan,
etc... was pronounced Cry' an With a roll of
the r -
accent on CRY with a soft an.
That's
all I know. God Bless, Kathleen O'Donnell
From:
"bcunning" <bcunning@iprimus.com.au> Add to Address Book
Date:
Fri, 14 Nov 2003 09:54:37 +1100
Subject:
[Cryan et al.] Fw: Catherine Cryan
To:
CRYAN-L@rootsweb.com
Hello
from
relatives of Catherine who came to
have
been hampered because on various documents,
her name
is shown as CREON/CRANE/CRYAN and even
CRYING.
Her
Death Cert. says that she was born in Mason
County,
Cert. I
received today shows her birth place as
Roscommon Co.
Any help
here would be greatly appreciated.
Cheers,
Bob in
