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Subject: [Cryan et al.] Stephen Cryan's Pension Application To: CRYAN-L@rootsweb.com

Hi all, An example follows of an application for a Military Service Pension. They are very detailed forms as you will see. This application by my grand uncle Stephen Cryan finally gives me information about a relative whose activities I initially had only heard rumours. As Stephen had never married I had very little information about him. I was told he was buried on Valentia island. I went down and found the grave. From the year of his death I got his day of death in the Registry of Births, Deaths and Marriages. I then went to the National Library and checked The Kerryman newspaper for the week and 2 weeks after he died. In that issue I found 2 articles, one a description of the funeral and the other a summary of his life which mentioned that he had been a member of the Kerry No 3 Brigade. But I still had no idea of his own activities in the unit until I was sent this document... caoimhghin

Thanks to Veronica Cryan for the typing.

 

Military Service Pensions Act, 1934.

APPLICATION TO THE MINISTER FOR DEFENCE FOR A SERVICE CERTIFICATE.

 

(1.) ACTIVE SERVICE AT ANY TIME DURING THE WEEK COMMENCING ON THE 23RD DAY OF APRIL, 1916. (a) Did you render active service in the week commencing 23rd April 1916. If so, from what date in that week ? ......week commencing 23/4/16. (b) Unit or Units ..A Coy [Company] .......A Coy. No.1.Batt. Kerry.3. (c) Duration (giving dates) of service .........The whole week (d) District or Districts in which active service was rendered .........Caherciveen District. (e) Officer Commanding in each instance .........Jer. O'Connell. (f) In what way do you claim that your service was active service? ..........Under orders awaiting to be called to Tralee. (g) Particulars of any military operations or engagements or services rendered during the period .........Molilized for week awaiting orders. (h) Absence from duty and cause ...........Nil. (i) References who can testify as to your statements above :- NAME ADDRESS Jerh. O Connell Main St, Caherciveen Michael Griffin East End, Caherciveen John Curran Waterville

 

(2.) CONTINUOUS ACTIVE SERVICE DURING PERIOD COMPRISING - (a) period from 1st April,1916, and (b) period from 30th April, 1916, to March, 1917. (a) Unit or Units .........A Coy. No.1. Batt. Kerry.3. (b) Duration (giving dates) of service ..........Whole Period. (c) District or Districts in which active service was rendered ............Caherciveen District. (d) Officer Commanding in each instance .............Jerh. O'Connell (e) In what way do you claim that your service was active service? .............Being drilled twice weekly, Attending Route Marches. (f) Particulars of any military operations or engagements or services rendered during the period ........Attended Commemoration of Thomas Ashe at Dingle, Co. Kerry, and Marched in Military formation in defiance of R.I.C. also attended Casement's Anniversary at Banna Strand. (g) Absence from duty and cause ...........None. (h) References who can testify as to your statements above :- NAME ADDRESS Jerh. O Connell Main St, Caherciveen Michael Griffin East End, Caherciveen John Curran Waterville

 

(3.) CONTINUOUS ACTIVE SERVICE DURING PERIOD COMMENCING - (a) Unit or Units ..........A Coy. No.1. Batt. Kerry, No.3. Brigade. (b) Duration (giving dates) of service .........1st April 1917 to 31/3/18. (c) District or Districts in which active service was rendered ............Caherciveen. (d) Officer Commanding in each instance ............Jeremiah O'Riordan. (e) In what way do you claim that your service was active service? .............Collecting Money on behalf of the orphans and dependants of the leaders executed in Dublin. (f) Particulars of any military operations or engagements or services rendered during the period ............Drilled twice weekly, collecting money for the purchase of arms. Boycotting British Recruiters meetings. Helped to organise Sinn Fein Courts. Helped to have Sinn Fein Members elected to Kerry Courts Council. Helped to establish Sinn Fein Clubs. (g) Absence from duty and cause ...........Nil. (h) References who can testify as to your statements above :- NAME ADDRESS Jerh. O Connell Main St, Caherciveen Michael Griffin East End, Caherciveen John Curran Waterville, Killarney.

 

(4.) CONTINUOUS ACTIVE SERVICE DURING PERIOD COMMENCING - FROM 1ST APRIL, 1918 to 31ST MARCH. 1919. (a) Unit or Units ...............A Coy. No.1.Batt. Kerry, No.3. Brigade. (b) Duration (giving dates) of service ............1st April,1918 to 31/3/1919. (c) District or Districts in which active service was rendered ...............Cahersiveen and Aughatubrid. (d) Officer Commanding in each instance ...............Jeremiah O'Riordon. (e) In what way do you claim that your service was active service? ..............General training, Organising Companys and administering the oath and raiding for Arms. Collecting money for [...] (f) Particulars of any military operations or engagements or services rendered during the period .............Did Despatching, Riding, and Intelligence Work. (g) Absence from duty and cause .............. Nil. (h) References who can testify as to your statements above :- NAME ADDRESS Jerh. O Connell Main St, Caherciveen Michael Griffin East End, Caherciveen John Curran Waterville

 

(5.) CONTINUOUS ACTIVE SERVICE DURING PERIOD COMMENCING - (a) Unit or Units .............A Coy. No. 1. Batt. Kerry, No. 3. Brigade. (b) Duration (giving dates) of service ..............1st April,1919 to 31st March, 1920. (c) District or Districts in which active service was rendered ...............Caherciveen. (d) Officer Commanding in each instance ...............Jeremiah O'Riordan. (e) In what way do you claim that your service was active service? .............General training, Bomb practice, Route Marches, Censoring Mails. (f) Particulars of any military operations or engagements or services rendered during the period ..........Police Work, Boycotting People attending British Courts, Clerk of District Court during period. Helped in raid on Customs office at Caherciveen also helped to collect for the Eireann Loan. (g) Absence from duty and cause .............Nil. (h) References who can testify as to your statements above :- NAME ADDRESS Jerh. O Connell Main St, Caherciveen Michael Griffin East End, Caherciveen John Curran Waterville

 

(6.) CONTINUOUS ACTIVE SERVICE DURING PERIOD COMMENCING - from 1ST APRIL, 1920 TO 31ST MARCH 1921. (a) Unit or Units .............4 Coy. No. 1. Batt. Kerry, No.3. Brigade. (b) Duration (giving dates) of service ............1st April, 1920 to 31st March, 1921. (c) District or Districts in which active service was rendered ............Caherciveen and Waterville. (d) Officer Commanding in each instance ...............Jerh. O'Riordan (e) In what way do you claim that your service was active service? .................General orders, Helped to dismantle Motor Cars in the area. (f) Particulars of any military operations or engagements or services rendered during the period ...........General training and Route marches, making Pellets for Shot Guns, Destroying Enemy Communications, Attempted hold up of R.I.C. at [...].Hold up of Emigrants to America.. (g) Absence from duty and cause ...............Nil. (h) References who can testify as to your statements above :- NAME ADDRESS Jerh. O Connell Main St, Caherciveen Michael Griffin East End, Caherciveen John Curran Waterville

 

(7.) CONTINUOUS ACTIVE SERVICE DURING PERIOD COMMENCING - (a) Unit or Units .............4. Coy. No.1. Batt. Kerry, 3 Brigade, "A.S.U." (b) Duration (giving dates) of service ..............1/4/21 to 11/7/21. (c) District or Districts in which active service was rendered .............Caherciveen .Killoc, Failmore, (d) Officer Commanding in each instance ...................Jeremiah O'Riordan. (e) In what way do you claim that your service was active service? .............Commandeering Motor Cars and Bicycles, Raiding for railway tools and telephones, "Generals orders" Ambush at New Street, Caherciveen on R.I.C. Seized all keys and sanders [?] ......from Wireless College. (f) Particulars of any military operations or engagements or services rendered during the period ...........Ambush at East End, Caherciveen on 14/5/21 and on 17/5/21 at East End Caherciveen, Attended Ambush at [...] Caherciveen, Instructor of Signalling Corps. (g) Absence from duty and cause .................Nil. (h) References who can testify as to your statements above :- NAME ADDRESS Jerh. O Connell Main St, Caherciveen Michael Griffin East End, Caherciveen John Curran Waterville

 

(8.) CONTINUOUS ACTIVE SERVICE DURING PERIOD COMMENCING - (a) Unit or Units .............No.1. Batt. A Coy. Kerry, 3 Brigade. (b) Duration (giving dates) of service ................12/7/21 to 30/6/22. (c) District or Districts in which active service was rendered ............Caherciveen, Ballinskelligs, Portmagee and Valentia. (d) Officer Commanding in each instance ..................Jerh. O'Riordan. (e) In what way do you claim that your service was active service? ..............Organising No. 2. Battalion Area, Helped in dismantling of Cable Station at Valentia Island.. (f) Particulars of any military operations or engagements or services rendered during the period ............Attended Brigade Training Camp, for 10 days and acted as Camp Adjutant, also did duty as Assistant Brigade Adjutant. Helped in taking over of Barracks at Caherciveen, also Brigade Liaison officer. (g) Absence from duty and cause ..............Nil. (h) References who can testify as to your statements above :- NAME ADDRESS Jerh. O Connell Main St, Caherciveen Michael Griffin East End, Caherciveen John Curran Waterville

 

(9.) CONTINUOUS ACTIVE SERVICE DURING PERIOD FROM 1ST JULY, 1922 to 31ST MARCH, 1923. (a) Unit or Units ...............A Coy. No. 1. Batt. Kerry, No.3. Brigade. (b) Duration (giving dates) of service ..............1st July, 1922 to 31st March, 1923. (c) District or Districts in which active service was rendered ..................Caherciveen. (d) Officer Commanding in each instance ..............Jerh. O'Riordan. (e) In what way do you claim that your service was active service? ...............Sending out foodstuffs to Column, Clothing etc., (f) Particulars of any military operations or engagements or services rendered during the period ............Reporting on Military Movements and doing Intelligence Work. Helped in the Burning of R.I.C. Barracks at Caherciveen. (g) Absence from duty and cause ..................Nil. (h) References who can testify as to your statements above :- NAME ADDRESS Jerh. O Connell Main St, Caherciveen Michael Griffin East End, Caherciveen John Curran Waterville

 

(10.) CONTINUOUS ACTIVE SERVICE DURING PERIOD FROM 1ST APRIL, 1923, TO 30TH SEPTEMBER, 1923. (a) Unit or Units ...........A.Coy. No.1. Batt. Kerry, No 3 Brigade. (b) Duration (giving dates) of service .............1st April, 1923 to 30/9/23. (c) District or Districts in which active service was rendered ..............Caherciveen and Killorglin. (d) Officer Commanding in each instance ...............Jerh. O'Riordan. (e) In what way do you claim that your service was active service? ..............Doing Intelligence work for Column and reporting on Military movements etc., (f) Particulars of any military operations or engagements or services rendered during the period ..............Intelligence work, Providing food stuffs and Clothing for Column. (g) Absence from duty and cause ................Nil. (h) References who can testify as to your statements above :- NAME ADDRESS Jerh. O ' Riordan Kerry Con Dairy, Cloghran. Co. Dublin. Michael Griffin East End, Caherciveen. John Curran Waterville, Killarney, Co. Kerry.

 

 

 

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                            Hi there fellow Cryan!

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                            caoimhghin@yahoo.com

                      I came across your page while looking for genealogy info on my family.  My great grandfather,                      Austin Cryan came to the U.S. by way of Canada sometime around the 1860's.  He and his wife                      Margret setteled in North Dakota before moving to Texas in 1912.  Does any of this sound familiar                      to you?   I have had alot of trouble trying to continue the history to before they immigrated.  Where                      can I go to find out more about their roots in Ireland.  Are there any ships' passanger manifests

                      that you know of?  Any info you have or anything you could do to put me on the right track would                      be greatly appreciated.  I am glad to see others taking interest in Cryan history.  Thanks and keep                      in touch.

                      -Kenneth Cryan

 

 

 

 

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                            [Cryan et al.] Roscommon Herald Articles No. 124

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                      Roscommon Herald Articles No. 124

                      Thanks to Veronica Cryan for the typing

 

 

 

                       28th October,1905.

 

                       A CLOGHER CASE.

 

                       COUNTY COUNCELLOR CHARGED WITH ASSAULT.

 

 

                       Charles O'Donnell, school teacher, Clogher, Co.

                       Sligo,

                       brought an action for £50 damages for assault

                      and

                       battery, against Mr.Patrick Higgins, County

                       Councellor, Edmondstown on the 1st August, 1905.

                       and

                       for loan and damages sustained and medical fees

                       paid

                       to the plaintiff in consequence of said assault

                       and

                       battery.

 

                       The following were sworn to try the case :-

                       Messrs.

                       James Mullany, Ballymount,{........}Thomas

                       Collins,

                       Patrick Conrean, John Moran, Peter Conlon, John

                       Colins.

 

                       Thomas Cryan , Clogher, brought a similar action

                       against Patrick Higgins,Maheraboy: Mathew Hunt,

                       Toberbraken, and Henry Hunt, do.

 

                       Mr. H. MacDermot, B.L. (instructed by Mr.

                       D.MacDermot)

                       appeared for Higgins and the Hunts, and Mr.

                       F.J.McMorrow appeared for O'Donnell.

 

                       Both cases were tried together.

 

                       Mr. McMorrow, in opening the case for O'Donnell

                       and

                       Cryan , said he represented two men in that

                       action .

                       The first and the most important was a Mr.

                       Charles

                       O'Donnell a teacher in the Presbyterian school

                       at a

                       place called Clogher, a short distance from the

                       town

                       of Ballaaghadreen, and the other plaintif was a

                       Mr.

                       Thomas Cryan , farmer who lived partly by his

                       labour.

 

                       Charles O'Donnell said, said in reply to Mr.

                       McMorrow,

                       that as he came towards Mr. Higgins , Mathew

                       Hunt and

                       Mr. Higgins were there. He bade good evening to

                       the

                       two men, and Mr. Higgins stepped out on the road

                       and

                       said in angry tone. "What about that machine?"

                       and

                       witness said he put a new bottom in the machine

                       and he

                       wanted to be compensated. Cryan said he had

                      given

                       him

                       a [tube?]. Higgins snatched a whip from Cryan

                      and

                       Cryan took the whip back again. Witness asked

                      Mr.

                       Higgins what was the meaning of this conduct ,

                       and I

                       said , "Keep off you scoundrel." He got a slight

                       lash

                       of the whip from Higgins , and he drew his

                      stick.

                       They

                       came to To......Bridge, and as soon as the cart

                       passed

                       , Higgins grasped at the stick and said, "Now

                       Harry ,"

                       meaning Henry Hunt . Hunt then went for Cryan.

                       Higgins then grappled with the witness , and

                       punched

                       him on the chest with his knees.

                       Consequently his watch was broken . Witness

                      asked

                       Higgins what he had against him, and he said he

                       had

                       nothing against him , and he said he warned him

                       not to

                       go with "that kid" Subsequently Higgins have him

                       a

                       blow of a stick. In consequence of the advice

                       Cryan

                       and himself got from the police, they went to

                       Dr.McDermott, who examined Cryan particularly .

 

                       Cryan examined by Mr. Hal MacDermott----- I

                      would

                       give

                       my friend, Cryan a character . In his opinion he

                       should say Cryan is not of good character.

                       Witness

                       was a man of good character, and taught at the

                       Presbyterian National School. Prior to that he

                       was

                       teaching in the Roman Catholic school at

                       Kilmovee.

 

                       Under what circumstances were your services

                       dispenced

                       with?---- A conspiracy was got up against me.

 

                       What was the nature of the conspiracy ?

 

                       The conspiracy was to have revenge upon me on

                       account

                       -----

 

                       What did the people accuse you of ? ----

 

                       Criminally assaulting a woman .

 

                       Were you called before the National Board of

                       Education

                       ----- The [inspector?] investigated it.

 

                       After that how long did you remain in the school

                       ? ---

                       About a fortnight.

 

                       After your services had been dispenced with did

                       you

                       consider it neccesary to have your religion

                       changed ?

                       That is a matter for myself.

 

                       What religion are you now ? --- A Presbyterian.

 

                       How long after you became a Presbyterian and

                      your

                       services dispenced with at Kilmovee school, did

                       you

                       become attached to the Presbyterian school at

                       Clogher

                       ? ----- Nearly four years. Did it take nearly

                       four

                       years to whitewash you to suit the Presbyterian

                       Body ?

                       ----- No.

 

                       What were you doing during the four years,

                       loafing?

                       --- No. sir.

 

                       To his Lordship ----- This inquiry which Mr. Hal

                       MacDermot had made so much about was an unsworn

                       inquiry.

 

                       Mr. Hal MacDermot ---- Was it because you were

                       dismissed from the Catholic school you became a

                       Prestbyterian? ---- I refuse to answer.

 

                       His Lordship ----- Better take the answer as he

                       gives

                       it.

 

                       Mr. Hal MacDermot --- I will test this witness.

 

                       Mr. McMorrow --- it is the first time I have a

                       question of religion being made a question of

                       character.

 

                       Mr. Hal MacDermot ---- You have a lot of things

                       to

                       learn yet.

 

                       Mr. MacMorrow ---- I do not want to learn any

                       religion

                       from you. I can tell you that I have not learned

                       to be

                       an Atheist yet.

 

                       The witness, continuing , said the people of

                       Ballaghdereen were good enough to elect Mr.

                       Higgins

                       and he believed his letter of congratulation was

                       amongst the first he received.

 

                       Mr. McMorrow --- There was no petition.

 

                       In reply to Mr. McMorrow, witness said after his

                       dismissal he would not be allowed the

                       representation

                       of a solicitor. He had to satisfy his present

                       employer that he was of good moral character

                       before he

                       was appointed to the Clogher school.

 

                       Cryan deposed he was driving cars for Mr.

                      Clarkes

                       supporters at the last election. As he was

                       driving by

                       Mr. Higgin's house arising out of an argument

                       Higgins

                       snatched the whip from witness. Pat Higgins

                       caught

                       O'Donnell by the wrist. For eight days he was

                       unable

                       to much work, owing to the effects of the

                      attack.

                       Witness was not the possessor of a knife on that

                       occasion.

 

                       Cross-examined ---- what do you think of

                      yourself

                       ?

                       ---- Faith I am middling (laughter).

 

                       You know the town of Ballaghaderreen, and like

                       myself

                       you know the courthouse there ?----Yes.

 

                       Mr. MacDermott related the charges against the

                       witness

                       at the Ballaghaderreen court.

 

                       By Mr. MacDermott ---- I was convicted at

                       Mullaghroe

                       on several occasions for assault, but one of the

                       assault was on a cousin of mine. I dont remember

                       assaulting Michael Cryan or being convicted of

                       it.

 

                       Mr. McMorrow --- He may not be guilty of them

                       all.

 

                       Mr. H. McDermott, he was not guilty of

                      [couple?],

                       but

                       unfortunaly he was convicted (laughter).

 

                       Witness further cross-examined, stated he was

                       convicted of assault on his brother, and added

                       "maybe

                       he wanted it "

 

                       Mr.MacDermott ---- And perhaps Higgins and Hunt

                       wanted

                       it too. On October the 16th did you assault

                       Catherine

                       Golden ? ---- I dont know.

 

                       Do you know a lady called Catherine Golden ?

                       ----No.

 

                       His Lordship ---- Do you know a woman called

                       Catherine

                       Golden ?

 

                       Cryan ----I do (laughter).

 

                       Mr. MacDermott ---- Were you convicted of

                       assaulting

                       Catherine Golden ? ---- She proved it anyway.

 

                       Do you remember smashing a window of Pat

                       Stenson's and

                       being convicted of it ? ---- It all happened on >

                       the

                       same night, and I had the misfortune to fall

                       through

                       the window.

 

                       Were you bound to the peace for threatening

                       Thomas

                       Cryan? ----Yes.

 

                       And after all these convictions, would I be

                      using

                       strong language if I called you a blackguard?

                      ---

                       I

                       dont know.

 

                       Would you place any reliance on the evidence of

                      a

                       man

                       who was convicted eleven times for assault on

                      men

                       and

                       women ? ---- I dont know.

 

                       Witness said he had two bottles of porter and he

                       got a

                       drink from the Prespyterian teacher and another

                       from

                       a policeman to whom he brought turf.

 

                       To Mr. McMorrow ---- I think it was all the

                      drink

                       I

                       had, but I had two more, four bottles in all.

                       (laughter).

 

                       Mr. MacDermott ---- Two more ?

 

                       Cryan --- It is hard to remember things like

                       that

                       (Laughter).

 

                       Mrs. Cryan gave evidence of a similar nature.

                      Her

                       husband was not such a bad sort as was described

                       , as

                       when he got a drink he lay down , and when he

                       was

                       half drunk he was quarrelsome enough (laughter).

 

                       Michael O'Donnell, a son of Charles O'Donnell ,

                       deposed that Higgins came up to his father that

                       night

                       and asked him why he had not returned home the

                       spraying machine, and then the row started. He

                       saw the

                       father knocked down and the two Hunts making at

                       Cryan.

 

                       To Mr.MacDermott ----I am in the sixth class,

                       second

                       stage, and I often learn pieces off by heart,

                      but

                       I

                       did not learn off the story I have told you. My

                       father said I would have to give evidence of

                      what

                       I

                       saw.

 

                       Michael McDonnell gave edvidence as to

                      witnessing

                       the

                       assault. He heard Mrs Cryan shouting that Mr.

                       Higgins had Mr. ODonnell almost killed with the

                       stick

                       and that the Hunts were attacking her Husband.

                       Afterwards he saw Higgins and the Hunts run down

                       the

                       lane.

 

                       To Mr. MacDermott ---- I was not glad to be

                       dragged

                       into this case, but Hunt and I are not on

                       speaking

                       terms, and for years had litigation.

 

                       Dr.H. McDermott, Ballaghadreen, deposed to

                       examining

                       Cryan and O'Donnnell on the night of the

                       occurrence.

                       Cryan was suffering from the wound on the crown

                       on

                       his head and lacerated wounds on the left cheek

                       and

                       nose. He was also wounded elsewhere. O'Donnell

                       had a

                       wound on the angle of his right eye, which was

                       nasty

                       looking and jagged.

 

                       The witness was not cross-examined.

 

                       Mr. P. Higgins deposed he was County Councellor

                       for

                       the Ballaghaderreen division. On the night in

                       question

                       he met O'Donnell as they were always friends,

                      and

                       shook hands. After a while he asked O'Donnell to

                       return him his spraying machine which he lent

                      him

                       in

                       the month of June. O'Donnell said it was too

                       late to

                       spray now. Witness told what was good to loan

                       was

                       good to return , and Cryan then interfered, and

                       witness told him to leave off. O'Donnell then

                       jumped

                       off the cart and hit him with a stick on the arm

                       and

                       knocked the head off it. Witness wrenched the

                       stick

                       from O'Donnell and Cryan then came on with a

                       stone in

                       his hand, and witness asked Hunt not to allow

                       Cryan

                       to come on. The scuttle then ended, but witness

                       then

                       went after the Hunts to protect them, knowing

                      the

                       character of of the men who attacked them. After

                       a

                       time he caught up to the Hunts and O'Donnell

                      then

                       came

                       on and caught hi around the waist, and they both

                       fell.

                       Cryan then went towards the Hunts with a knife

                       and a

                       stone in his hand, but witness could not say

                      what

                       happened afterwards, as they separated again.

                       Witness

                       went into Mrs. Hunts place for safety. Cryan

                       threw a

                       stone at them as they were going up the avenue.

 

                       To Mr. McMorrow ----- I was brought up at the

                       Ballaghaderreen Petty Sessions for attacking a

                       man

                       named Hara but the case was dismissed. I know

                       Cryan

                       was driving carts for Mr. Clarke during the

                       election,

                       but I had no ill will towards him for it.

 

                       Mr. M. Hunt gave evidence of a corrovorative

                       nature.

                       He deposed as to Cryan stabing him with a knife.

 

                       Mr. MacDermot, in addressing the jury for his

                       clients,

                       said there was an apology owing them, because

                       their

                       time was taken up with a case of the most

                      trivial

                       character. Now Cryan was an old practitioner at

                       the

                       court, and could the jury believe a man with his

                       record, a question of religion was introduced,

                       but he

                       did not care whether a man was a Mohamedan,

                       Catholic,

                       Presbyterian or Protestant, a man could have his

                       beliefs and he a man of integrity and honesty.

                       He

                       would anyhow have nothing to do with a man who

                       started

                       life as a teacher in a Catholic school, and

                       brought

                       before the Board --- his paymasters, and

                       convicted by

                       them on a charge and dismissed from the school.

                       Because he was dismissed he changed his

                      religion.

                       O'Donnell had tried to insinuate that he was

                       unfairly

                       treated by Cannon O'Hara, a clergyman who was

                       known to

                       every Catholic and Protestant as an upright and

                       good

                       priest. They had next to consider the evidence

                      of

                       Cryan, the breath of his whose nostrils was a

                      row

                       and

                       who since '93 was consistantly bound to the

                       peace, not

                       only for assaulting his fellow man, but also the

                       women

                       of his locality.

 

                       Mr. McMorrow said that after the eloquent of Mr.

                       McDermott, it became his duty to give the

                      prosaic

                       details of this assault to the jury, and to take

                       away

                       from the case the sentimental matters Mr.

                       MacDermott

                       graced it with. It did not follow that if a man

                       happened to be in court on a few occasions, that

                       he

                       should be assaulted, and not get compensation

                      for

                       it.

                       Mr. MacDermott had thought well to dwell

                      strongly

                       upon

                       a certain matter, which he submitted was

                      entirely

                       foreign to the case. It was not fair to

                      introduce

                       the

                       religious element in to the case, as a man was

                       perfectly entitled to exercise his judgment and

                       change

                       his religion if he thought fit, and that was not

                       disgrace. A Protestant had a right to become a

                       convert to Catholicity, and vice versa, and now

                       this

                       old story had been raked up, but it should not

                       influence the jury. Because a man had acted as

                       O'Donnell had done to exercise his judgment, if

                       he

                       thought he was unfairly treated, it was

                       endeavoured

                       now to end a stigma on him, but it should not

                       weigh

                       with the jury when investigating the facts of

                      the

                       case, and nature of the assault. Mr. O'Donnell

                       through

                       the death of a witness, had a chance of

                       re-opening the

                       case, and proving that he was wronged. All sides

                       of a

                       story should be heard, and the truth could then

                       be got

                       at, and because a wreath of sentiment was sought

                       to be

                       woven about the case, the jury should not be run

                       away

                       with it.

 

                       His Lordship, in reviewing the evidence, said

                      Mr.

                       McMorrow in an extremely able and admirable for

                       his

                       clients had very properly refered to the

                      question

                       of

                       the religious element in the case, and he

                       thoroughly

                       agreed with his remarks. A Protestant was

                       perfectly

                       entitled to change his religion, as well as a

                       Catholic, and it was a pity council was

                       instructed to

                       refer to it .

 

                       Mr. Hal McDermott said he was not instructed to

                       say

                       so, and he took full responsibility.

 

                       His Lordship said it did not follow that because

                       a man

                       had changed his religion, he could not go into a

                       court

                       to get justice. This was a land of liberty and

                       freedom, and he hoped it would continue so;

                       therefore, because O'Donnell had thought it fit

                       to

                       change his religion, it should not be flung in

                       his

                       teeth. It was a pity this story about O'Donnell

                       in

                       connection with a woman was raked up, and he

                       thought,

                       as he said before, it should be left out. He had

                       met

                       a great many people in his time, who left their

                       Church

                       because they thought they had received wrong

                       treatment

                       ----- men who were Protestants becoming

                      Catholic,

                       and

                       the reverse, and he always found them to be

                       decent

                       and respectable as [put?] foot to ground. Mr.

                       O'Donnell was a teacher of a Presbyterian school

                       and

                       he would not be there except he was deserving,

                       and

                       Presbyterians were very careful about the maner

                       in

                       which their children were brought up.

 

                       His Lordship then dealt fully with the facts of

                       the

                       case, and concluded by asking the jury to do

                       justice

                       between man and man.

 

                       The jury then retired and after a short absence

                       returned into court, stating they had found a

                       verdict

                       in favour of the defendants Higgins and the

                       Hunts, and

                       granted costs to them.

 

 

 

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                         To:

                            "Caoimhghin O Croidheain" <caoimhghin@yahoo.com>

                      Subject:

                            Re: [Cryan et al.] A Cryan/Crean/Crehan Y-DNA Project?

                        Date:

                            Tue, 25 Feb 2003 09:44:49 -0500

 

 

 

 

 

                      Wow!  What an interesting idea, and a fascinating

                      bit of science fact.

                      How'd you come across this?

 

 

                      ----- Original Message -----

                      From: "Caoimhghin O Croidheain"

                      <caoimhghin@yahoo.com>

                      To: <CRYAN-L@rootsweb.com>

                      Sent: Tuesday, February 25, 2003 6:43 AM

                      Subject: [Cryan et al.] A Cryan/Crean/Crehan

                      Y-DNA Project?

 

 

                      > Hi everybody,

                      >

                      > I would like to initiate a discussion on

                      another

                      > aspect of research which I think is worth

                      looking at.

                      >

                      > I read a very interesting article in Irish

                      Roots last

                      > night on the Glennon Y-DNA Project. Clarke

                      Glennon

                      > used  http://www.familytreedna.com/ to find out

                      if

                      > Glennons in the same area came from the same

                      ancestor

                      > with some interesting results. With the Y-DNA

                      testing

                      > males are able to see if another male is a

                      descendent

                      > from         their paternal grandfather's

                      paternal

                      > side.

                      >

                      > The value of this type of research to the

                      > Cryan/Crean/Crehan names is that it might

                      establish if

                      > the Cryans are directly connected to the Creans

                      and

                      > Crehans and prove that it is just spelling

                      differences

                      > that separate them. The test would show a

                      common

                      > remote ancestor but with the same branch or

                      different

                      > branches of the same family. This is worth

                      considering

                      > as we have so little information before 1800,

                      despite

                      > the wealth of historical info on the 16th and

                      17th

                      > century Creans.  See a list of current family

                      projects

                      > here - http://www.familytreedna.com/surname.asp

                      >

                      >

                      > There is a very interesting chart here -

                      > http://www.familytreedna.com/ancestorchart.html

                      > showing how the Y chromosome is passed down

                      virtually

                      > unchanged over many generations. A detailed

                      > explanation of DNA is here-

                      > http://blairgenealogy.com/dna/dna101.html

                      >

                      > Regarding privacy - "Family Tree DNA follows

                      the most

                      > stringent guidelines for

                      >                          privacy. ---FTDNA

                      controls

                      > the Surnames Database Library and

                      >                          test scores, while the

                      > University of Arizona controls and

                      >                          maintains your genetic

                      assets

                      > on our behalf. Therefore, there is

                      >                          a double safety net.

                      The

                      > first is maintained by Family Tree DNA

                      >                          according to State

                      > legislation guidelines and the other is

                      >                          maintained by the

                      University

                      > of Arizona which is bound by both

                      >                          State and Federal

                      privacy and

                      > confidentiality legislation.

                      >

                      >                          Family Tree DNA

                      accepts the

                      > responsibility to keep your specific

                      >                          data private, at the

                      same

                      > time, making enough general

                      >                          information public to

                      allow

                      > us to build a Surnames Database

                      >                          library to be used for

                      > genealogical purposes."

                      >

                      > Family Tree DNA Test Kit -

                      > http://www.familytreedna.com/kit.html

                      >

                      > Please let me know what you think...

                      > caoimhghin

                      >

 

 

 

                        From:

                            CRANE769@aol.com | This is spam | Add to Address Book

                        Date:

                            Wed, 26 Feb 2003 12:08:09 EST

                      Subject:

                            Re: [Cryan et al.] The Irish Times letter

                         To:

                            caoimhghin@yahoo.com

 

 

 

 

 

                      Caoimhghin

 

                      Thank You!  I don't know if I am up to the

                      challenge of learning Irish out

                      here in the cultural desert of Calif. but I

                      applaud your efforts and hope to

                      meet you someday in Ireland at a big Croidheain

                      reunion.                

 

                                                                                          

                      Sincerely                     Charles          Crane

 

                      From: Caoimhghin O'Croidheain

                      [mailto:Caoimhghin.OCroidheain@dcu.ie]

                      Sent: 26 February 2003 17:08

                      To: lcryan@nmh.ie

                      Subject: letter

 

 

                      A Chara,

                      Further to the current series of letters on Irish

                      place names I would

                      like to suggest that the discussion be extended

                      to surnames.

                      Anglicised Gaelic names are the badge of our

                      former colonial status

                      which we wear without realising. The profusion of

                      variations on even one

                      surname (despite standardisation of spellings)

                      reveals a time when an

                      external administration neither knew nor cared

                      about the language of the

                      people they colonised. For example, my own

                      surname, Cryan, is one

                      variant of the Ó Croidheáin surname which

                      originated in the

                      Donegal/Sligo areas. In my family history

                      research I have discovered 5

                      phonetical variations (Cryan, Crean, Crehan,

                      Crane and Cregan) with 42

                      different spellings. Confusions also abound, as

                      some Anglicisations are

                      synonyms of other Gaelic names, e.g. Tom Crean,

                      the famous explorer was

                      an Ó Cuirín from Kerry.

                      It is time to lose our 'pet' names and question

                      the follies of former

                      times. Thus, by returning some sense to our

                      cultural heritage we will be

                      able to make a huge contribution to a modern,

                      culturally diverse Europe.

                      Then we could start to actually learn and use the

                      language and finally

                      complete the process of linguistic

                      decolonisation.

                      Caoimhghin Ó Croidheáin

                     

 

                        From:

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                         To:

                            "Caoimhghin O Croidheain" <caoimhghin@yahoo.com>

                      Subject:

                            Re: [Cryan et al.] A Cryan/Crean/Crehan Y-DNA Project?

                        Date:

                            Mon, 3 Mar 2003 13:50:10 -0000

                     Hi Kevin,

                      I have recently been in contact with  The London

                      Hospital  re yourE-Mail as

                      i have someone in Keash who thinks that he may be

                      related. But  they said

                      that as i would be going back a few generations

                      this would not  be of any

                      value, at this time.

                      Patrick

 

 

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                        Date:

                            Mon, 10 Mar 2003 00:16:01 EST

                      Subject:

                            cryan roots

                         To:

                            caoimhghin@yahoo.com

                      hello, I just began searching my family roots.  My last name is McMahon and my grandmothers

                      maiden name was Mary E. Cryan she was married to Thomas F. McMahon. They both died

                      several years ago and I don't have any other information for her, other than she had two children,

                      Thomas J. McMahon (my dad) and Sue.  I sure she came over on the boat and that she was first

                      generation from Ireland. she then lived in Rockville Center on Long Island, New York. Are there

                      many Cryan names? Is it rooted from Ireland? Have you researched back far?  What websites

                      helped you in your search?  Any information would be helpful. thanks. Daisy McMahon

 

 

                        Date:

                            Tue, 18 Mar 2003 02:21:36 -0800 (PST)

                        From:

                            "Caoimhghin O Croidheain" <caoimhghin@yahoo.com> | This is spam | Add to Address Book

                      Subject:

                            [Cryan et al.] Illinois Statewide Marriage Index, 17631900

                         To:

                            CRYAN-L@rootsweb.com

 

 

 

 

 

                      Illinois Statewide Marriage Index, 1763–1900

                      http://www.cyberdriveillinois.com/Marriage/MarriageSearchServlet

                      Click here for information about how to obtain

                      copies

                      of original marriage records.

 

                       Groom

                                                            Bride

                                                                            

                                        Date

                                                                           

                                                    Vol./Page

                                                                            

                                                             License

                                                                           

                                                             No.

                                                                           

                                                                     

                      County

 

 

                      10 records are displayed.

                       The maximum number displayed is 2000. If a MORE

                      button appears below, click for additional

                      records.

 

                      CREAN, CHARLES (SEE CRANE)           HANNING,

                      CATHARINE                   05/10/1854   6/ 120    

                      806 MADISON            

                      CREAN, J W                           BUSHER,

                      ELLEN

                      ETTA                   04/19/1899    /254          

                      COLES              

                      CREAN, JAMES J                       CANAVAN,

                      MARY   

                                         04/16/1884    /     00080674

                      COOK 

                                   

                      CREAN, JOHN                          KELLY,

                      MARGARET 

                                         07/23/1873 083/     00010886

                      COOK 

                                   

                      CREAN, MORRIS                        EDGAR,

                      LIZZIE   

                                         01/01/1889    /     00135202

                      COOK 

                                  

                      CREAN, SMITH                         CALLY,

                      JULYAN   

                                         10/02/1831    /     00000231

                      ST.

                      CLAIR          

                      CREAN, THOMAS JAMES                  LAWLER, ETTA    

                                         11/03/1887 000/     00120419

                      COOK 

                                  

                      CREANE, JOHN M                       KELLY,

                      BRIDGET

                      (MISS)                10/16/1876 007/0024

                      00005650

                      MONTGOMERY         

                      CREANEY, JOHN M                      NESBITT,

                      JENNIE 

                                         04/25/1883    /     00070970

                      COOK 

                                  

                      CREANY, JAMES                        TRAYNOR,

                      DELLA  

                                         06/23/1894    /     00215958

                      COOK 

                                  

 

 

 

 

                      Illinois Statewide Marriage Index, 1763–1900

 

                      Click here for information about how to obtain

                      copies

                      of original marriage records.

 

                       Groom

                                                            Bride

                                                                            

                                        Date

                                                                           

                                                    Vol./Page

                                                                            

                                                             License

                                                                           

                                                             No.

                                                                            

                                                                     

                      County

 

 

                      4 records are displayed.

                       The maximum number displayed is 2000. If a MORE

                      button appears below, click for additional

                      records.

 

                      BIRD, WILLIAM ALFRED                 CRYAN, ANNIE    

                                         12/03/1891    /     00176622

                      COOK 

                                  

                      DELIHANTZ, JOHN T                    CRYAN,

                      HANNAH   

                                         11/05/1873 E  /     2292    

                      LA

                      SALLE           

                      FLANIGAN, MARTIN                     CRYAN, JANE  

                      N L

                      F                  00/00/0000 1  /19   240     

                      LA

                      SALLE           

                      MCGOVERN, JOSEPH                     CRYAN, MARY     

                                         09/15/1888 00O/     00131198

                      COOK 

                                  

 

 

                      MCNAMARA, STEPHAN                    CREAN, AGNES    

                                         02/02/1894    /     00213988

                      COOK 

                                  

                      ARMSTRONG, RICHARD THOMAS            CREAN, ANNIE    

                                         01/28/1884 OOG/     00079090

                      COOK 

                                  

                      CAIRD, JOHN                          CREAN,

                      FANNIE   

                                         01/16/1885    /     00088999

                      COOK 

                                  

                      DOLAN, THOMAS                        CREAN,

                      JENNIE   

                                         05/25/1886 00J/0487         

                      COLES

                                  

                      HOLBROOK, CHARLES JOHN               CREAN,

                      JOHANNA  

                                         01/10/1890    /     00148428

                      COOK 

                                  

                      LEWIS, DANIEL                        CREAN,

                      KATHARINA

                                         09/04/1882    /     00064757

                      COOK 

                                  

                      FOLEY, TIMOTHY                       CREAN,

                      KATHERINE

                                         01/31/1885    /     00089372

                      COOK 

                                  

                      HEINECKEN, JULIUS W                  CREAN,

                      MARGERET 

                                         05/31/1883    /     00072064

                      COOK 

                                  

                      HESS, WALLACE                        CREANER,

                      SARAH M

                                         02/07/1875 00B/0117 00003796

                      KANKAKEE            

                      SERVIS, CHARLES                      CREANEY,

                      LIZZIE J

                                         01/18/1883 OOE/     00068829

                      COOK 

                                  

                      ELDRIDGE, EDWARD V                   CREANEY,

                      MARGARET

                      A                  07/05/1900    /     00019297

                      WILL 

                                  

                      MAY, CLAUDE CHARLES                  CREANEY,

                      MARY   

                                         09/08/1891    /     00172132

                      COOK 

                                  

 

 

                      Illinois Statewide Marriage Index, 1763–1900

 

                      Click here for information about how to obtain

                      copies

                      of original marriage records.

 

                       Groom

                                                            Bride

                                                                           

                                        Date

                                                                           

                                                    Vol./Page

                                                                           

                                                             License

                                                                           

                                                             No.

                                                                           

                                                                     

                      County

 

 

                      4 records are displayed.

                       The maximum number displayed is 2000. If a MORE

                      button appears below, click for additional

                      records.

 

                      CONSIDINE, PATRICK                   CREHAN,

                      ANNIE   

                                         06/04/1891    /     00165199

                      COOK 

                                  

                      WOOD, THOMAS                         CREHAN,

                      DELIA   

                                         09/02/1888    /     00130506

                      COOK 

                                  

                      DONNELL, MICHAEL                     CREHAN,

                      ELLEN   

                                         02/26/1876 096/     00025571

                      COOK 

                                  

                      LONG, BENJAMIN F                     CREHAN, MARY

                      A  

                                         05/06/1880    /     00008033

                      WILL 

    

 

 

                        Date:

                            Tue, 01 Apr 2003 08:12:56 -0500

                        From:                            "Maureen McCourt Nantista" <mornan@optonline.net> | This is spam | Add to Address Book                      Subject:

                            [Cryan et al.] Cryan females married in Scotland

                         To:                            CRYAN-L@rootsweb.com

                            The following is a list of Cryan females

                      married in Scotland in the years 1855 through 1927.

                      It was obtained from the General Register Office

                      for Scotland's fee-based website

                      www.scotlandspeople.gov.uk  The groom's surname appears first

                      followed by his given name and then the bride's

                      surname and given name. The information in the last

                      two columns is the registration district name and

                      number, and the record number. Images of the

                      actual marriage records, plus birth and death

                      records, are available at the site for a fee. 

                                  1 1927 AIRENS JOHN CRYAN MARGARET

                      BLYTHSWOOD GLASGOW 644/10 1430  

                                  2 1905 CAMPBELL WILLIAM SIMPSON CRYAN

                      ROSE ANN LEITH SOUTH 692/02 0335  

                                  3 1886 CHAPMAN HANS CRYAN MARGARET

                      PAISLEY 573/00 0146  

                                  4 1855 DAVIDSON JAMES CRYAN ELLEN

                      DUMBARTON BURGH 496/01 0056  

                                  5 1891 DOIG JOHN CRYAN CATHERINE

                      LEITH SOUTH 692/02 0309  

                                  6 1878 DRUMMOND JOHN CRYAN SUSAN ST

                      MARY DUNDEE 282/02 0099  

                                  7 1907 DUFFY THOMAS CRYAN ELIZABETH

                      MARYHILL GLASGOW 644/14 0071  

                                  8 1897 FEENEY THOMAS CRYAN CATHERINE

                      MARYHILL 622/01 0074  

                                  9 1861 FISHER JOHN CRYAN ANNE IRVINE

                      595/00 0049  

                                  10 1893 GRANT CHARLES CRYAN LIZZIE

                      LEITH SOUTH 692/02 0066  

                                  11 1881 GREEN DUGALD CRYAN MARY

                      PAISLEY 573/00 0308  

                                  12 1898 HAGAN HENRY CRYAN ELLEN

                      GREENOCK EAST 564/01 0104  

                                  13 1896 HENEGHAN ANTHONY CRYAN ALICE

                      MARYHILL 622/01 0017  

                                  14 1891 MCCAFFERTY CHARLES CRYAN

                      SARAH PAISLEY SU/D 573/00 0328  

                                  15 1856 MORAN JOHN CRYAN MARY

                      JEDBURGH BURGH 792/01 0024  

                                  16 1915 MORRISON THOMAS REYNOLDS

                      CRYAN ELSIE BARRHEAD & LEVERN 572/02 0056  

                                  17 1890 O'BRIEN PATRICK CRYAN MARY

                      MARYHILL 622/01 0025   

                                  18 1881 QUIN JOHN CRYAN MARY PAISLEY

                      573/00 0128  

                                  19 1866 REVIE JAMES CRYAN SARAH DALRY

                      587/00 0030  

                                  20 1919 SMITH WILLIAM PRESTSE CRYAN

                      BRIDGET DALKEITH 683/00 0035  

                                  21 1869 STEEL JOHN CRYAN MARY

                      JOHNSTONE RENFREW 559/03 0051  

                                  22 1912 STRITCH THOMAS CRYAN ROSEANN

                      LEITH SOUTH 692/02 0314

                          

                                  

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                         To:

                            caoimhghin@yahoo.com

                      Subject:

                            crane surname

                        Date:

                            Sun, 20 Apr 2003 18:08:43 -0400

                      hello,

                           i live in greenville south carolina in the united states and, i am a crain / crane descendant. my

                      line stops at about 1792. all i have is some unproven info stating my gggg grandfather came from

                      ireland with 7 siblings. the reason i am writing to is is to ask if you know of any dna research

                      being done on the male members of the surname crane / crain ( or any variant )

                                    janette ledbetter                          

 

 

                           Mon, 19 May 2003 15:51:04 +1000

                      From:

                          "Gil Maclean" <gilmaclean@urban.net.au> | This is spam | Add to Address Book

                        To:

                          caoimhghin@yahoo.com

                      Hello caoimhghin,

                        My grandfather was Henry Crean, who died in

                      1962 in Denton,

                        Manchester UK. His wife was Julia Morton, and

                      he had three children,

                        Monica (my mother) Harry, and Winefride. His

                      father was born in

                        Galway, Ireland. He (my grandfather) had

                      several siblings but my

                        knowledge is sketchy on them. Would there be

                      any connection to the

                        Creans you are referring to?

Regards,

                      Lucille Hughes               

 

 

                        From:

                            "wbdavis" <wbdavis@btinternet.com> | This is spam | Add to Address Book

                         To:

                            caoimhghin@yahoo.com

                      Subject:

                            Cryan name

                        Date:

                            Mon, 2 Jun 2003 00:07:00 +0100

 

                      Dear Kevin

                                             I enjoyed your article in the recent issue of Irish Roots.  My Gt/Gdmother was an Ellen Cryan who

                      married a James Davis (before 1865) and lived at Ballymote, Sligo.  I have details of Cryans

                      around that area if you are interested.  Ellen Cryan died in Carrigans in 1897.  James Davis at

                      some stage went to Scotland.

                      I look forward to hearing from you

                                             Regards                                             Bill Davis

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