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Hi all, An example follows of an application for a Military Service
Pension. They are very detailed forms as you will see. This application by my
grand uncle Stephen Cryan finally gives me information about a relative whose
activities I initially had only heard rumours. As Stephen had never married I
had very little information about him. I was told he was buried on Valentia
island. I went down and found the grave. From the year of his death I got his
day of death in the Registry of Births, Deaths and Marriages. I then went to
the National Library and checked The Kerryman newspaper for the week and 2
weeks after he died. In that issue I found 2 articles, one a description of the
funeral and the other a summary of his life which mentioned that he had been a
member of the Kerry No 3 Brigade. But I still had no idea of his own activities
in the unit until I was sent this document... caoimhghin
Thanks to Veronica Cryan for the typing.
Military Service Pensions Act, 1934.
APPLICATION TO THE MINISTER FOR DEFENCE FOR A SERVICE CERTIFICATE.
(1.) ACTIVE SERVICE AT ANY TIME DURING THE WEEK COMMENCING ON THE 23RD
DAY OF APRIL, 1916. (a) Did you render active service in the week commencing
23rd April 1916. If so, from what date in that week ? ......week commencing
23/4/16. (b) Unit or Units ..A Coy [Company] .......A Coy. No.1.Batt. Kerry.3.
(c) Duration (giving dates) of service .........The whole week (d) District or
Districts in which active service was rendered .........Caherciveen District.
(e) Officer Commanding in each instance .........Jer. O'Connell. (f) In what
way do you claim that your service was active service? ..........Under orders
awaiting to be called to
(2.) CONTINUOUS ACTIVE SERVICE DURING PERIOD COMPRISING - (a) period
from 1st April,1916, and (b) period from 30th April, 1916, to March, 1917. (a)
Unit or Units .........A Coy. No.1. Batt. Kerry.3. (b) Duration (giving dates)
of service ..........Whole Period. (c) District or Districts in which active
service was rendered ............Caherciveen District. (d) Officer Commanding
in each instance .............Jerh. O'Connell (e) In what way do you claim that
your service was active service? .............Being drilled twice weekly,
Attending Route Marches. (f) Particulars of any military operations or engagements
or services rendered during the period ........Attended Commemoration of Thomas
Ashe at Dingle, Co. Kerry, and Marched in Military formation in defiance of
R.I.C. also attended Casement's Anniversary at Banna Strand. (g) Absence from
duty and cause ...........None. (h) References who can testify as to your
statements above :- NAME ADDRESS Jerh.
(3.) CONTINUOUS ACTIVE SERVICE DURING PERIOD COMMENCING - (a) Unit or
Units ..........A Coy. No.1. Batt. Kerry, No.3. Brigade. (b) Duration (giving
dates) of service .........1st April 1917 to 31/3/18. (c) District or Districts
in which active service was rendered ............Caherciveen. (d) Officer
Commanding in each instance ............Jeremiah O'Riordan. (e) In what way do
you claim that your service was active service? .............Collecting Money
on behalf of the orphans and dependants of the leaders executed in
(4.) CONTINUOUS ACTIVE SERVICE DURING PERIOD COMMENCING - FROM 1ST
APRIL, 1918 to 31ST MARCH. 1919. (a) Unit or Units ...............A Coy.
No.1.Batt. Kerry, No.3. Brigade. (b) Duration (giving dates) of service ............1st
April,1918 to 31/3/1919. (c) District or Districts in which active service was
rendered ...............Cahersiveen and Aughatubrid. (d) Officer Commanding in
each instance ...............Jeremiah O'Riordon. (e) In what way do you claim
that your service was active service? ..............General training,
Organising Companys and administering the oath and raiding for Arms. Collecting
money for [...] (f) Particulars of any military operations or engagements or
services rendered during the period .............Did Despatching, Riding, and
Intelligence Work. (g) Absence from duty and cause .............. Nil. (h)
References who can testify as to your statements above :- NAME ADDRESS Jerh. O
Connell Main St, Caherciveen Michael Griffin East End, Caherciveen John Curran
Waterville
(5.) CONTINUOUS ACTIVE SERVICE DURING PERIOD COMMENCING - (a) Unit or
Units .............A Coy. No. 1. Batt. Kerry, No. 3. Brigade. (b) Duration
(giving dates) of service ..............1st April,1919 to 31st March, 1920. (c)
District or Districts in which active service was rendered
...............Caherciveen. (d) Officer Commanding in each instance
...............Jeremiah O'Riordan. (e) In what way do you claim that your
service was active service? .............General training, Bomb practice, Route
Marches, Censoring Mails. (f) Particulars of any military operations or
engagements or services rendered during the period ..........Police Work,
Boycotting People attending British Courts, Clerk of District Court during
period. Helped in raid on Customs office at Caherciveen also helped to collect
for the Eireann Loan. (g) Absence from duty and cause .............Nil. (h)
References who can testify as to your statements above :- NAME ADDRESS Jerh. O
Connell Main St, Caherciveen Michael Griffin East End, Caherciveen John Curran
Waterville
(6.) CONTINUOUS ACTIVE SERVICE DURING PERIOD COMMENCING - from 1ST
APRIL, 1920 TO 31ST MARCH 1921. (a) Unit or Units .............4 Coy. No. 1.
Batt. Kerry, No.3. Brigade. (b) Duration (giving dates) of service
............1st April, 1920 to 31st March, 1921. (c) District or Districts in
which active service was rendered ............Caherciveen and Waterville. (d)
Officer Commanding in each instance ...............Jerh. O'Riordan (e) In what way
do you claim that your service was active service? .................General
orders, Helped to dismantle Motor Cars in the area. (f) Particulars of any
military operations or engagements or services rendered during the period
...........General training and Route marches, making Pellets for Shot Guns,
Destroying Enemy Communications, Attempted hold up of R.I.C. at [...].Hold up
of Emigrants to America.. (g) Absence from duty and cause ...............Nil.
(h) References who can testify as to your statements above :- NAME ADDRESS
Jerh. O Connell Main St, Caherciveen Michael Griffin East End, Caherciveen John
Curran Waterville
(7.) CONTINUOUS ACTIVE SERVICE DURING PERIOD COMMENCING - (a) Unit or
Units .............4. Coy. No.1. Batt. Kerry, 3 Brigade, "A.S.U." (b)
Duration (giving dates) of service ..............1/4/21 to 11/7/21. (c)
District or Districts in which active service was rendered
.............Caherciveen .Killoc, Failmore, (d) Officer Commanding in each
instance ...................Jeremiah O'Riordan. (e) In what way do you claim
that your service was active service? .............Commandeering Motor Cars and
Bicycles, Raiding for railway tools and telephones, "Generals orders"
Ambush at New Street, Caherciveen on R.I.C. Seized all keys and sanders [?]
......from Wireless College. (f) Particulars of any military operations or
engagements or services rendered during the period ...........Ambush at East
End, Caherciveen on 14/5/21 and on 17/5/21 at East End Caherciveen, Attended
Ambush at [...] Caherciveen, Instructor of Signalling Corps. (g) Absence from
duty and cause .................Nil. (h) References who can testify as to your
statements above :- NAME ADDRESS Jerh. O Connell Main St, Caherciveen Michael
Griffin East End, Caherciveen John Curran Waterville
(8.) CONTINUOUS ACTIVE SERVICE DURING PERIOD COMMENCING - (a) Unit or
Units .............No.1. Batt. A Coy. Kerry, 3 Brigade. (b) Duration (giving
dates) of service ................12/7/21 to 30/6/22. (c) District or Districts
in which active service was rendered ............Caherciveen, Ballinskelligs,
Portmagee and Valentia. (d) Officer Commanding in each instance
..................Jerh. O'Riordan. (e) In what way do you claim that your
service was active service? ..............Organising No. 2. Battalion Area,
Helped in dismantling of Cable Station at Valentia Island.. (f) Particulars of
any military operations or engagements or services rendered during the period
............Attended Brigade Training Camp, for 10 days and acted as Camp Adjutant,
also did duty as Assistant Brigade Adjutant. Helped in taking over of Barracks
at Caherciveen, also Brigade Liaison officer. (g) Absence from duty and cause
..............Nil. (h) References who can testify as to your statements above
:- NAME ADDRESS Jerh. O Connell Main St, Caherciveen Michael Griffin East End,
Caherciveen John Curran Waterville
(9.) CONTINUOUS ACTIVE SERVICE DURING PERIOD FROM 1ST JULY, 1922 to 31ST
MARCH, 1923. (a) Unit or Units ...............A Coy. No. 1. Batt. Kerry, No.3.
Brigade. (b) Duration (giving dates) of service ..............1st July, 1922 to
31st March, 1923. (c) District or Districts in which active service was
rendered ..................Caherciveen. (d) Officer Commanding in each instance
..............Jerh. O'Riordan. (e) In what way do you claim that your service
was active service? ...............Sending out foodstuffs to Column, Clothing
etc., (f) Particulars of any military operations or engagements or services
rendered during the period ............Reporting on Military Movements and
doing Intelligence Work. Helped in the Burning of R.I.C. Barracks at
Caherciveen. (g) Absence from duty and cause ..................Nil. (h)
References who can testify as to your statements above :- NAME ADDRESS Jerh. O
Connell Main St, Caherciveen Michael Griffin East End, Caherciveen John Curran
Waterville
(10.) CONTINUOUS ACTIVE SERVICE DURING PERIOD FROM 1ST APRIL, 1923, TO
30TH SEPTEMBER, 1923. (a) Unit or Units ...........A.Coy. No.1. Batt. Kerry, No
3 Brigade. (b) Duration (giving dates) of service .............1st April, 1923
to 30/9/23. (c) District or Districts in which active service was rendered
..............Caherciveen and Killorglin. (d) Officer Commanding in each
instance ...............Jerh. O'Riordan. (e) In what way do you claim that your
service was active service? ..............Doing Intelligence work for Column
and reporting on Military movements etc., (f) Particulars of any military
operations or engagements or services rendered during the period ..............Intelligence
work, Providing food stuffs and Clothing for Column. (g) Absence from duty and
cause ................Nil. (h) References who can testify as to your statements
above :- NAME ADDRESS Jerh. O ' Riordan Kerry Con Dairy, Cloghran. Co. Dublin.
Michael Griffin East End, Caherciveen. John Curran Waterville, Killarney, Co.
Kerry.
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Hi there fellow
Cryan!
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I came across your page
while looking for genealogy info on my family.
My great grandfather, Austin Cryan came to the
U.S. by way of Canada sometime around the 1860's. He and his wife Margret setteled in North
Dakota before moving to Texas in 1912.
Does any of this sound familiar to you? I have had alot of trouble trying to
continue the history to before they immigrated.
Where can I
go to find out more about their roots in Ireland. Are there any ships' passanger manifests
that you know of? Any info you have or anything you could do to
put me on the right track would be greatly
appreciated. I am glad to see others
taking interest in Cryan history. Thanks
and keep in touch.
-Kenneth Cryan
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Roscommon Herald Articles No. 124
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Roscommon Herald Articles
No. 124
Thanks to Veronica Cryan
for the typing
28th October,1905.
A CLOGHER CASE.
COUNTY COUNCELLOR
CHARGED WITH ASSAULT.
Charles O'Donnell,
school teacher, Clogher, Co.
Sligo,
brought an action for
£50 damages for assault
and
battery, against
Mr.Patrick Higgins, County
Councellor, Edmondstown
on the 1st August, 1905.
and
for loan and damages
sustained and medical fees
paid
to the plaintiff in
consequence of said assault
and
battery.
The following were sworn
to try the case :-
Messrs.
James Mullany,
Ballymount,{........}Thomas
Collins,
Patrick Conrean, John
Moran, Peter Conlon, John
Colins.
Thomas Cryan , Clogher, brought
a similar action
against Patrick
Higgins,Maheraboy: Mathew Hunt,
Toberbraken, and Henry
Hunt, do.
Mr. H. MacDermot, B.L.
(instructed by Mr.
D.MacDermot)
appeared for Higgins and
the Hunts, and Mr.
F.J.McMorrow appeared
for O'Donnell.
Both cases were tried
together.
Mr. McMorrow, in opening
the case for O'Donnell
and
Cryan , said he
represented two men in that
action .
The first and the most
important was a Mr.
Charles
O'Donnell a teacher in
the Presbyterian school
at a
place called Clogher, a
short distance from the
town
of Ballaaghadreen, and
the other plaintif was a
Mr.
Thomas Cryan , farmer
who lived partly by his
labour.
Charles O'Donnell said,
said in reply to Mr.
McMorrow,
that as he came towards
Mr. Higgins , Mathew
Hunt and
Mr. Higgins were there.
He bade good evening to
the
two men, and Mr. Higgins
stepped out on the road
and
said in angry tone.
"What about that machine?"
and
witness said he put a
new bottom in the machine
and he
wanted to be
compensated. Cryan said he had
given
him
a [tube?]. Higgins
snatched a whip from Cryan
and
Cryan took the whip back
again. Witness asked
Mr.
Higgins what was the
meaning of this conduct ,
and I
said , "Keep off
you scoundrel." He got a slight
lash
of the whip from Higgins
, and he drew his
stick.
They
came to To......Bridge,
and as soon as the cart
passed
, Higgins grasped at the
stick and said, "Now
Harry ,"
meaning Henry Hunt .
Hunt then went for Cryan.
Higgins then grappled
with the witness , and
punched
him on the chest with
his knees.
Consequently his watch
was broken . Witness
asked
Higgins what he had
against him, and he said he
had
nothing against him ,
and he said he warned him
not to
go with "that
kid" Subsequently Higgins have him
a
blow of a stick. In
consequence of the advice
Cryan
and himself got from the
police, they went to
Dr.McDermott, who
examined Cryan particularly .
Cryan examined by Mr.
Hal MacDermott----- I
would
give
my friend, Cryan a
character . In his opinion he
should say Cryan is not
of good character.
Witness
was a man of good
character, and taught at the
Presbyterian National
School. Prior to that he
was
teaching in the Roman
Catholic school at
Kilmovee.
Under what circumstances
were your services
dispenced
with?---- A conspiracy
was got up against me.
What was the nature of
the conspiracy ?
The conspiracy was to
have revenge upon me on
account
-----
What did the people
accuse you of ? ----
Criminally assaulting a
woman .
Were you called before
the National Board of
Education
----- The [inspector?]
investigated it.
After that how long did
you remain in the school
? ---
About a fortnight.
After your services had been
dispenced with did
you
consider it neccesary to
have your religion
changed ?
That is a matter for
myself.
What religion are you now ? --- A
Presbyterian.
How long after you
became a Presbyterian and
your
services dispenced with
at Kilmovee school, did
you
become attached to the
Presbyterian school at
Clogher
? ----- Nearly four
years. Did it take nearly
four
years to whitewash you
to suit the Presbyterian
Body ?
----- No.
What were you doing
during the four years,
loafing?
--- No. sir.
To his Lordship -----
This inquiry which Mr. Hal
MacDermot had made so
much about was an unsworn
inquiry.
Mr. Hal MacDermot ----
Was it because you were
dismissed from the Catholic
school you became a
Prestbyterian? ---- I
refuse to answer.
His Lordship -----
Better take the answer as he
gives
it.
Mr. Hal MacDermot --- I
will test this witness.
Mr. McMorrow --- it is
the first time I have a
question of religion
being made a question of
character.
Mr. Hal MacDermot ----
You have a lot of things
to
learn yet.
Mr. MacMorrow ---- I do
not want to learn any
religion
from you. I can tell you
that I have not learned
to be
an Atheist yet.
The witness, continuing
, said the people of
Ballaghdereen were good
enough to elect Mr.
Higgins
and he believed his
letter of congratulation was
amongst the first he
received.
Mr. McMorrow --- There
was no petition.
In reply to Mr.
McMorrow, witness said after his
dismissal he would not
be allowed the
representation
of a solicitor. He had
to satisfy his present
employer that he was of
good moral character
before he
was appointed to the
Clogher school.
Cryan deposed he was
driving cars for Mr.
Clarkes
supporters at the last
election. As he was
driving by
Mr. Higgin's house
arising out of an argument
Higgins
snatched the whip from
witness. Pat Higgins
caught
O'Donnell by the wrist.
For eight days he was
unable
to much work, owing to
the effects of the
attack.
Witness was not the
possessor of a knife on that
occasion.
Cross-examined ---- what
do you think of
yourself
?
---- Faith I am middling
(laughter).
You know the town of
Ballaghaderreen, and like
myself
you know the courthouse
there ?----Yes.
Mr. MacDermott related
the charges against the
witness
at the Ballaghaderreen
court.
By Mr. MacDermott ---- I
was convicted at
Mullaghroe
on several occasions for
assault, but one of the
assault was on a cousin
of mine. I dont remember
assaulting Michael Cryan
or being convicted of
it.
Mr. McMorrow --- He may
not be guilty of them
all.
Mr. H. McDermott, he was
not guilty of
[couple?],
but
unfortunaly he was
convicted (laughter).
Witness further
cross-examined, stated he was
convicted of assault on
his brother, and added
"maybe
he wanted it "
Mr.MacDermott ---- And
perhaps Higgins and Hunt
wanted
it too. On October the
16th did you assault
Catherine
Golden ? ---- I dont
know.
Do you know a lady
called Catherine Golden ?
----No.
His Lordship ---- Do you
know a woman called
Catherine
Golden ?
Cryan ----I do
(laughter).
Mr. MacDermott ---- Were
you convicted of
assaulting
Catherine Golden ? ----
She proved it anyway.
Do you remember smashing
a window of Pat
Stenson's and
being convicted of it ?
---- It all happened on >
the
same night, and I had
the misfortune to fall
through
the window.
Were you bound to the
peace for threatening
Thomas
Cryan? ----Yes.
And after all these
convictions, would I be
using
strong language if I
called you a blackguard?
---
I
dont know.
Would you place any
reliance on the evidence of
a
man
who was convicted eleven
times for assault on
men
and
women ? ---- I dont
know.
Witness said he had two
bottles of porter and he
got a
drink from the
Prespyterian teacher and another
from
a policeman to whom he
brought turf.
To Mr. McMorrow ---- I
think it was all the
drink
I
had, but I had two more,
four bottles in all.
(laughter).
Mr. MacDermott ---- Two
more ?
Cryan --- It is hard to
remember things like
that
(Laughter).
Mrs. Cryan gave evidence
of a similar nature.
Her
husband was not such a
bad sort as was described
, as
when he got a drink he
lay down , and when he
was
half drunk he was
quarrelsome enough (laughter).
Michael O'Donnell, a son
of Charles O'Donnell ,
deposed that Higgins
came up to his father that
night
and asked him why he had
not returned home the
spraying machine, and
then the row started. He
saw the
father knocked down and
the two Hunts making at
Cryan.
To Mr.MacDermott ----I
am in the sixth class,
second
stage, and I often learn
pieces off by heart,
but
I
did not learn off the
story I have told you. My
father said I would have
to give evidence of
what
I
saw.
Michael McDonnell gave edvidence as to
witnessing
the
assault. He heard Mrs
Cryan shouting that Mr.
Higgins had Mr. ODonnell
almost killed with the
stick
and that the Hunts were
attacking her Husband.
Afterwards he saw
Higgins and the Hunts run down
the
lane.
To Mr. MacDermott ---- I
was not glad to be
dragged
into this case, but Hunt
and I are not on
speaking
terms, and for years had
litigation.
Dr.H. McDermott,
Ballaghadreen, deposed to
examining
Cryan and O'Donnnell on
the night of the
occurrence.
Cryan was suffering from
the wound on the crown
on
his head and lacerated
wounds on the left cheek
and
nose. He was also
wounded elsewhere. O'Donnell
had a
wound on the angle of his
right eye, which was
nasty
looking and jagged.
The witness was not
cross-examined.
Mr. P. Higgins deposed
he was County Councellor
for
the Ballaghaderreen
division. On the night in
question
he met O'Donnell as they
were always friends,
and
shook hands. After a
while he asked O'Donnell to
return him his spraying
machine which he lent
him
in
the month of June.
O'Donnell said it was too
late to
spray now. Witness told what was good
to loan
was
good to return , and
Cryan then interfered, and
witness told him to
leave off. O'Donnell then
jumped
off the cart and hit him
with a stick on the arm
and
knocked the head off it.
Witness wrenched the
stick
from O'Donnell and Cryan
then came on with a
stone in
his hand, and witness
asked Hunt not to allow
Cryan
to come on. The scuttle
then ended, but witness
then
went after the Hunts to protect them,
knowing
the
character of of the men
who attacked them. After
a
time he caught up to the
Hunts and O'Donnell
then
came
on and caught hi around
the waist, and they both
fell.
Cryan then went towards
the Hunts with a knife
and a
stone in his hand, but witness
could not say
what
happened afterwards, as
they separated again.
Witness
went into Mrs. Hunts
place for safety. Cryan
threw a
stone at them as they
were going up the avenue.
To Mr. McMorrow ----- I
was brought up at the
Ballaghaderreen Petty
Sessions for attacking a
man
named Hara but the case
was dismissed. I know
Cryan
was driving carts for
Mr. Clarke during the
election,
but I had no ill will
towards him for it.
Mr. M. Hunt gave
evidence of a corrovorative
nature.
He deposed as to Cryan
stabing him with a knife.
Mr. MacDermot, in addressing
the jury for his
clients,
said there was an
apology owing them, because
their
time was taken up with a
case of the most
trivial
character. Now Cryan was
an old practitioner at
the
court, and could the
jury believe a man with his
record, a question of
religion was introduced,
but he
did not care whether a
man was a Mohamedan,
Catholic,
Presbyterian or
Protestant, a man could have his
beliefs and he a man of
integrity and honesty.
He
would anyhow have
nothing to do with a man who
started
life as a teacher in a
Catholic school, and
brought
before the Board --- his
paymasters, and
convicted by
them on a charge and
dismissed from the school.
Because he was dismissed
he changed his
religion.
O'Donnell had tried to insinuate
that he was
unfairly
treated by Cannon
O'Hara, a clergyman who was
known to
every Catholic and
Protestant as an upright and
good
priest. They had next to
consider the evidence
of
Cryan, the breath of his
whose nostrils was a
row
and
who since '93 was
consistantly bound to the
peace, not
only for assaulting his
fellow man, but also the
women
of his locality.
Mr. McMorrow said that after the
eloquent of Mr.
McDermott, it became his
duty to give the
prosaic
details of this assault
to the jury, and to take
away
from the case the
sentimental matters Mr.
MacDermott
graced it with. It did
not follow that if a man
happened to be in court
on a few occasions, that
he
should be assaulted, and
not get compensation
for
it.
Mr. MacDermott had
thought well to dwell
strongly
upon
a certain matter, which
he submitted was
entirely
foreign to the case. It
was not fair to
introduce
the
religious element in to
the case, as a man was
perfectly entitled to
exercise his judgment and
change
his religion if he
thought fit, and that was not
disgrace. A Protestant
had a right to become a
convert to Catholicity,
and vice versa, and now
this
old story had been raked
up, but it should not
influence the jury.
Because a man had acted as
O'Donnell had done to
exercise his judgment, if
he
thought he was unfairly
treated, it was
endeavoured
now to end a stigma on
him, but it should not
weigh
with the jury when
investigating the facts of
the
case, and nature of the
assault. Mr. O'Donnell
through
the death of a witness, had
a chance of
re-opening the
case, and proving that
he was wronged. All sides
of a
story should be heard,
and the truth could then
be got
at, and because a wreath
of sentiment was sought
to be
woven about the case,
the jury should not be run
away
with it.
His Lordship, in
reviewing the evidence, said
Mr.
McMorrow in an extremely
able and admirable for
his
clients had very
properly refered to the
question
of
the religious element in
the case, and he
thoroughly
agreed with his remarks.
A Protestant was
perfectly
entitled to change his
religion, as well as a
Catholic, and it was a
pity council was
instructed to
refer to it .
Mr. Hal McDermott said he was not
instructed to
say
so, and he took full
responsibility.
His Lordship said it did
not follow that because
a man
had changed his religion, he
could not go into a
court
to get justice. This was
a land of liberty and
freedom, and he hoped it
would continue so;
therefore, because
O'Donnell had thought it fit
to
change his religion, it
should not be flung in
his
teeth. It was a pity
this story about O'Donnell
in
connection with a woman
was raked up, and he
thought,
as he said before, it
should be left out. He had
met
a great many people in
his time, who left their
Church
because they thought
they had received wrong
treatment
----- men who were
Protestants becoming
Catholic,
and
the reverse, and he
always found them to be
decent
and respectable as
[put?] foot to ground. Mr.
O'Donnell was a teacher of
a Presbyterian school
and
he would not be there
except he was deserving,
and
Presbyterians were very
careful about the maner
in
which their children were
brought up.
His Lordship then dealt
fully with the facts of
the
case, and concluded by
asking the jury to do
justice
between man and man.
The jury then retired
and after a short absence
returned into court,
stating they had found a
verdict
in favour of the
defendants Higgins and the
Hunts, and
granted costs to them.
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Subject:
Re: [Cryan et al.]
A Cryan/Crean/Crehan Y-DNA Project?
Date:
Tue, 25 Feb 2003 09:44:49
-0500
Wow! What an interesting idea, and a fascinating
bit of science fact.
How'd you come across
this?
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From: "Caoimhghin O
Croidheain"
<caoimhghin@yahoo.com>
To:
<CRYAN-L@rootsweb.com>
Sent: Tuesday, February
25, 2003 6:43 AM
Subject: [Cryan et al.] A
Cryan/Crean/Crehan
Y-DNA Project?
> Hi everybody,
>
> I would like to
initiate a discussion on
another
> aspect of research which I
think is worth
looking at.
>
> I read a very
interesting article in Irish
Roots last
> night on the Glennon
Y-DNA Project. Clarke
Glennon
> used http://www.familytreedna.com/ to find out
if
> Glennons in the same
area came from the same
ancestor
> with some
interesting results. With the Y-DNA
testing
> males are able to
see if another male is a
descendent
> from their paternal grandfather's
paternal
> side.
>
> The value of this
type of research to the
> Cryan/Crean/Crehan
names is that it might
establish if
> the Cryans are
directly connected to the Creans
and
> Crehans and prove
that it is just spelling
differences
> that separate them.
The test would show a
common
> remote ancestor but
with the same branch or
different
> branches of the same
family. This is worth
considering
> as we have so little
information before 1800,
despite
> the wealth of
historical info on the 16th and
17th
> century Creans. See a list of current family
projects
> here -
http://www.familytreedna.com/surname.asp
>
>
> There is a very
interesting chart here -
>
http://www.familytreedna.com/ancestorchart.html
> showing how the Y
chromosome is passed down
virtually
> unchanged over many
generations. A detailed
> explanation of DNA
is here-
>
http://blairgenealogy.com/dna/dna101.html
>
> Regarding privacy -
"Family Tree DNA follows
the most
> stringent guidelines
for
> privacy. ---FTDNA
controls
> the Surnames
Database Library and
> test scores, while
the
> University of Arizona
controls and
> maintains your
genetic
assets
> on our behalf.
Therefore, there is
> a double safety net.
The
> first is maintained
by Family Tree DNA
> according to State
> legislation
guidelines and the other is
> maintained by the
University
> of Arizona which is
bound by both
> State and Federal
privacy and
> confidentiality
legislation.
>
> Family Tree DNA
accepts the
> responsibility to
keep your specific
> data private, at the
same
> time, making enough
general
> information public to
allow
> us to build a
Surnames Database
> library to be used
for
> genealogical
purposes."
>
> Family Tree DNA Test
Kit -
> http://www.familytreedna.com/kit.html
>
> Please let me know
what you think...
> caoimhghin
>
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Date:
Wed, 26 Feb 2003
12:08:09 EST
Subject:
Re: [Cryan et al.]
The Irish Times letter
To:
caoimhghin@yahoo.com
Caoimhghin
Thank You! I don't know if I am up to the
challenge of learning
Irish out
here in the cultural desert
of Calif. but I
applaud your efforts and
hope to
meet you someday in
Ireland at a big Croidheain
reunion.
Sincerely Charles Crane
From: Caoimhghin
O'Croidheain
[mailto:Caoimhghin.OCroidheain@dcu.ie]
Sent: 26 February 2003
17:08
To: lcryan@nmh.ie
Subject: letter
A Chara,
Further to the current
series of letters on Irish
place names I would
like to suggest that the
discussion be extended
to surnames.
Anglicised Gaelic names
are the badge of our
former colonial status
which we wear without
realising. The profusion of
variations on even one
surname (despite
standardisation of spellings)
reveals a time when an
external administration
neither knew nor cared
about the language of the
people they colonised.
For example, my own
surname, Cryan, is one
variant of the Ó
Croidheáin surname which
originated in the
Donegal/Sligo areas. In
my family history
research I have
discovered 5
phonetical variations
(Cryan, Crean, Crehan,
Crane and Cregan) with 42
different spellings.
Confusions also abound, as
some Anglicisations are
synonyms of other Gaelic
names, e.g. Tom Crean,
the famous explorer was
an Ó Cuirín from Kerry.
It is time to lose our
'pet' names and question
the follies of former
times. Thus, by returning
some sense to our
cultural heritage we will
be
able to make a huge
contribution to a modern,
culturally diverse
Europe.
Then we could start to
actually learn and use the
language and finally
complete the process of linguistic
decolonisation.
Caoimhghin Ó Croidheáin
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Subject:
Re: [Cryan et al.]
A Cryan/Crean/Crehan Y-DNA Project?
Date:
Mon, 3 Mar 2003
13:50:10 -0000
Hi Kevin,
I have recently been in
contact with The London
Hospital re yourE-Mail as
i have someone in Keash
who thinks that he may be
related. But they said
that as i would be going
back a few generations
this would not be of any
value, at this time.
Patrick
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Date:
Mon, 10 Mar 2003
00:16:01 EST
Subject:
cryan roots
To:
caoimhghin@yahoo.com
hello, I just began
searching my family roots. My last name
is McMahon and my grandmothers
maiden name was Mary E.
Cryan she was married to Thomas F. McMahon. They both died
several years ago and I
don't have any other information for her, other than she had two children,
Thomas J. McMahon (my dad)
and Sue. I sure she came over on the
boat and that she was first
generation from Ireland.
she then lived in Rockville Center on Long Island, New York. Are there
many Cryan names? Is it
rooted from Ireland? Have you researched back far? What websites
helped you in your
search? Any information would be
helpful. thanks. Daisy McMahon
Date:
Tue, 18 Mar 2003
02:21:36 -0800 (PST)
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Subject:
[Cryan et al.]
Illinois Statewide Marriage Index, 17631900
To:
CRYAN-L@rootsweb.com
Illinois Statewide
Marriage Index, 1763–1900
http://www.cyberdriveillinois.com/Marriage/MarriageSearchServlet
Click here for information
about how to obtain
copies
of original marriage
records.
Groom
Bride
Date
Vol./Page
License
No.
County
10 records are displayed.
The maximum number
displayed is 2000. If a MORE
button appears below,
click for additional
records.
CREAN, CHARLES (SEE
CRANE) HANNING,
CATHARINE 05/10/1854 6/ 120
806 MADISON
CREAN, J W BUSHER,
ELLEN
ETTA 04/19/1899 /254
COLES
CREAN, JAMES J CANAVAN,
MARY
04/16/1884 / 00080674
COOK
CREAN, JOHN KELLY,
MARGARET
07/23/1873 083/ 00010886
COOK
CREAN, MORRIS EDGAR,
LIZZIE
01/01/1889 / 00135202
COOK
CREAN, SMITH CALLY,
JULYAN
10/02/1831 / 00000231
ST.
CLAIR
CREAN, THOMAS JAMES LAWLER, ETTA
11/03/1887 000/ 00120419
COOK
CREANE, JOHN M KELLY,
BRIDGET
(MISS) 10/16/1876 007/0024
00005650
MONTGOMERY
CREANEY, JOHN M NESBITT,
JENNIE
04/25/1883 / 00070970
COOK
CREANY, JAMES TRAYNOR,
DELLA
06/23/1894 /
00215958
COOK
Illinois Statewide
Marriage Index, 1763–1900
Click here for
information about how to obtain
copies
of original marriage
records.
Groom
Bride
Date
Vol./Page
License
No.
County
4 records are displayed.
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is 2000. If a MORE
button appears below,
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records.
BIRD, WILLIAM ALFRED CRYAN, ANNIE
12/03/1891 / 00176622
COOK
DELIHANTZ, JOHN T CRYAN,
HANNAH
11/05/1873 E / 2292
LA
SALLE
FLANIGAN, MARTIN CRYAN, JANE
N L
F 00/00/0000 1 /19
240
LA
SALLE
MCGOVERN, JOSEPH CRYAN, MARY
09/15/1888 00O/ 00131198
COOK
MCNAMARA, STEPHAN CREAN, AGNES
02/02/1894 / 00213988
COOK
ARMSTRONG, RICHARD THOMAS CREAN, ANNIE
01/28/1884 OOG/ 00079090
COOK
CAIRD, JOHN CREAN,
FANNIE
01/16/1885 / 00088999
COOK
DOLAN, THOMAS CREAN,
JENNIE
05/25/1886
00J/0487
COLES
HOLBROOK, CHARLES
JOHN CREAN,
JOHANNA
01/10/1890 /
00148428
COOK
LEWIS, DANIEL CREAN,
KATHARINA
09/04/1882 /
00064757
COOK
FOLEY, TIMOTHY CREAN,
KATHERINE
01/31/1885 / 00089372
COOK
HEINECKEN, JULIUS W CREAN,
MARGERET
05/31/1883 / 00072064
COOK
HESS, WALLACE CREANER,
SARAH M
02/07/1875 00B/0117 00003796
KANKAKEE
SERVIS, CHARLES CREANEY,
LIZZIE J
01/18/1883 OOE/ 00068829
COOK
ELDRIDGE, EDWARD V CREANEY,
MARGARET
A 07/05/1900 /
00019297
WILL
MAY, CLAUDE CHARLES CREANEY,
MARY
09/08/1891 / 00172132
COOK
Illinois Statewide Marriage
Index, 1763–1900
Click here for
information about how to obtain
copies
of original marriage
records.
Groom
Bride
Date
Vol./Page
License
No.
County
4 records are displayed.
The maximum number
displayed is 2000. If a MORE
button appears below,
click for additional
records.
CONSIDINE, PATRICK CREHAN,
ANNIE
06/04/1891 / 00165199
COOK
WOOD, THOMAS CREHAN,
DELIA
09/02/1888 / 00130506
COOK
DONNELL, MICHAEL CREHAN,
ELLEN
02/26/1876
096/ 00025571
COOK
LONG, BENJAMIN F CREHAN, MARY
A
05/06/1880 /
00008033
WILL
Date:
Tue, 01 Apr 2003
08:12:56 -0500
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Subject:
[Cryan et al.]
Cryan females married in Scotland
To:
CRYAN-L@rootsweb.com
The following is a list
of Cryan females
married in Scotland in
the years 1855 through 1927.
It was obtained from the
General Register Office
for Scotland's fee-based
website
www.scotlandspeople.gov.uk The
groom's surname appears first
followed by his given
name and then the bride's
surname and given name.
The information in the last
two columns is the
registration district name and
number, and the record
number. Images of the
actual marriage records,
plus birth and death
records, are available at
the site for a fee.
1 1927 AIRENS
JOHN CRYAN MARGARET
BLYTHSWOOD GLASGOW 644/10
1430
2 1905
CAMPBELL WILLIAM SIMPSON CRYAN
ROSE ANN LEITH SOUTH
692/02 0335
3 1886
CHAPMAN HANS CRYAN MARGARET
PAISLEY 573/00 0146
4 1855
DAVIDSON JAMES CRYAN ELLEN
DUMBARTON BURGH 496/01
0056
5 1891 DOIG JOHN CRYAN
CATHERINE
LEITH SOUTH 692/02
0309
6 1878
DRUMMOND JOHN CRYAN SUSAN ST
MARY DUNDEE 282/02
0099
7 1907 DUFFY THOMAS CRYAN ELIZABETH
MARYHILL GLASGOW 644/14
0071
8 1897 FEENEY
THOMAS CRYAN CATHERINE
MARYHILL 622/01 0074
9 1861 FISHER
JOHN CRYAN ANNE IRVINE
595/00 0049
10 1893 GRANT
CHARLES CRYAN LIZZIE
LEITH SOUTH 692/02
0066
11 1881 GREEN
DUGALD CRYAN MARY
PAISLEY 573/00 0308
12 1898 HAGAN
HENRY CRYAN ELLEN
GREENOCK EAST 564/01
0104
13 1896
HENEGHAN ANTHONY CRYAN ALICE
MARYHILL 622/01 0017
14 1891
MCCAFFERTY CHARLES CRYAN
SARAH PAISLEY SU/D 573/00
0328
15 1856 MORAN
JOHN CRYAN MARY
JEDBURGH BURGH 792/01 0024
16 1915
MORRISON THOMAS REYNOLDS
CRYAN ELSIE BARRHEAD
& LEVERN 572/02 0056
17 1890
O'BRIEN PATRICK CRYAN MARY
MARYHILL 622/01 0025
18 1881 QUIN
JOHN CRYAN MARY PAISLEY
573/00 0128
19 1866 REVIE
JAMES CRYAN SARAH DALRY
587/00 0030
20 1919 SMITH
WILLIAM PRESTSE CRYAN
BRIDGET DALKEITH 683/00
0035
21 1869 STEEL
JOHN CRYAN MARY
JOHNSTONE RENFREW 559/03
0051
22 1912 STRITCH
THOMAS CRYAN ROSEANN
LEITH SOUTH 692/02 0314
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To:
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Subject:
crane surname
Date:
Sun, 20 Apr 2003
18:08:43 -0400
hello,
i live in greenville
south carolina in the united states and, i am a crain / crane descendant. my
line stops at about 1792.
all i have is some unproven info stating my gggg grandfather came from
ireland with 7 siblings.
the reason i am writing to is is to ask if you know of any dna research
being done on the male
members of the surname crane / crain ( or any variant )
janette ledbetter
Mon, 19 May 2003
15:51:04 +1000
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Hello caoimhghin,
My grandfather was
Henry Crean, who died in
1962 in Denton,
Manchester UK. His wife
was Julia Morton, and
he had three children,
Monica (my mother)
Harry, and Winefride. His
father was born in
Galway, Ireland. He (my
grandfather) had
several siblings but my
knowledge is sketchy on
them. Would there be
any connection to the
Creans you are
referring to?
Regards,
Lucille Hughes
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Subject:
Cryan name
Date:
Mon, 2 Jun 2003
00:07:00 +0100
Dear Kevin
I
enjoyed your article in the recent issue of Irish Roots. My Gt/Gdmother was an Ellen Cryan who
married a James Davis
(before 1865) and lived at Ballymote, Sligo.
I have details of Cryans
around that area if you
are interested. Ellen Cryan died in
Carrigans in 1897. James Davis at
some stage went to
Scotland.
I look forward to hearing
from you
Regards Bill Davis