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25th June 1904.
THREATENING LANGUAGE.
Thomas Cryan, Clogher, steward on Coolavin
estate,
summond Thomas Cryan (John) of same name, for
threatening language and to recover the amount
of
13s.6d. lent cash and sought to have defendant
bound
to the peace .There was a cross case for
threatening
to shoot, and for the wages due to defendant .
Mr. MacDermot appeared for the complainant.
Complainant, in reply to Mr. MacDermot
complained
to
the steward on the Coolavin Estate.
He came in contact with the man in the course
of
his
duties, gives him work and let him […]. There
was
a
dispute some time ago about measurement and
ill
feeling exists since. On 6th.May complainant
was
on
his usual rounds, when he met the defendant.
They
had
some hot words, and defendant drew a bottle of
whiskey
from his pocket and swore by --- [sic] he'd
dash
out
his brains on the road.
Mr. Kilbride ------That frightened you
entirely
(laughter)? -----yes. Defendant took a handful
of
silver from his pocket and dared me to take my
half
crown. He came to my house on five occasions
when
he
was drunk. He is a persecution to my wife and
children.
Defendant-----Didn't I demand wages from you
that
evening? --- No.
Mr. Kilbride (to complainant) do you owe him
anything?
----No.
Mrs. Honoria Cryan , wife of complainant
corroborated.
The cross-case was then taken up.
Cryan (the defendant) deposed that this man
threatened
to shoot him, and defendant said, "Oh,
begorra,
maybe
you wouldn't (laughter). I asked him to give
me
the
money due to me.
Mr. Kilbride --- is it not true that he paid
you
the
sum of 13s. 6d. for 3 days ? ----No.
Complainant produced a book showing that the
amount
was paid.
Defendant-----That I may die before I go home
if
you
did (laughter)
Mr. Kilbride ---- Did you borrow 2s.6d. from
this
man? ---No.
Complainant-----Why did you take out a handful
of
silver and dare me to take my half-crown?
----I
did
not.
Complainant -----I declare you did.
Defendant ---I declare you didn't (loud
laughter).
Mr. McDermott --- Were you ever summoned for
beating
your father? ----I might be (laughter).
Will you deny beating him? --- I wont deny it
(laughter) but I'm not going to tell on myself
(loud
laughter).
Mr. Kilbride said he believed the sum of 13s.
6d.
was
paid to the defendant, as Mr. Cryan's book
seems
to be
well kept, and the case of Thos. Cryan (John)
against
Thos Cryan for the wages would be dismissed
also
the
case of threatening to shoot. He would be
bound
to
keep the peace for twelve months himself in
£10
and
two sureties of £5 each. The Bench also gave a
decree
for 2s 6d. and 3s costs.
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8th October 1904.
THE SALARIES:
The clerk read the following:-
Local Government Board.
"
"Sir---I am directed by the local
Government for
minutes of proceedings of the Board of
Guardians
of
Boyle
had
under consideration the report of the
committee
appointed to deal with the circular letter of
the
local government Board of the 8th ult.
relative
to
increases in the salaries of Union officers
and
in
reference and thereto I am to state the Board
considered it advisable to leave to each Board
of
Guardians the matter of fixing a scale of
salaries for
their own officers and that the scale was
suggested as
a means of insuring that increases of salaries
should
be granted in a regular way, and without being
influenced by personal considerations, except
of
course the question as to whether the others
discharged their duties satisfactorily. It was
not
contemplated that a scale should be formulated
binding
on a number of Unions schemes which would
present
considerable difficulties. The Board would,
however be
very pleased to supply any information in
their
power
which the Guardians consider would be
serviceable
in
framing the proposed scale for the
requirements
of the
Boyle Union, the guardians might, therefore,
taking
into consideration the salaries paid to the
several
officers in the
which
would fulfill the requirements mentioned
above.
The
Board would prefere to wait the completion of
such a
scale before sanctioning any increases of
salaries to
Union Officers but they would be prepared then
to
allow the increase which the Guadians now
propose to
grant to certain officers to antedate
from the time they were voted by the
guardians.
I am sir, your obededient servant.
A.R. BARLAS, Asistant sec.,
The Clerk, Boyle
Clerk-----Well gentlemen, what will you do
with
this
letter?
Mr.Travers-----We are a very small board to go
into
that matter today, and I suggest it be
adjourned
for
a month or summon a board in the meantime.
That
would
be the best way to do business.
Chairman-----You are perfectly right, this is
a
very
small board to deal with a matter of that kind.
The
increases are neither granted nor rejected
yet.
Mr. Travers--- is it left in the hands of the
guardians.
Mr. Cryan-----I do not see why you should
adjourn
it.
It is only ordinary business. and we meet to
transact
it every Saturday.
Mr. Travers said it was too grave a matter to
deal
with that today.
Chairman-----What do you say Mr. Odbert?
Clerk----It is for the board, and not for me.
Mr. Travers----Adjourn it.
Chairman---- It is a question for a full board
to
consider.
Mr. Keenan-----There should be a summoned
board
to
consider it.
Mr. Cryan----What do you want with a summoned
board?
Mr. Travers----To consider that matter. What
we
have
done is not sanctioned by the local Government
Board.
It is still in the hands of the Board.
Mr. Cryan said he was in favour of dealing
with
every
question as it came before the meeting.
Clerk----- you will have to summon a Board to
do
the
salaries.
Mr. Cryan----Probably. I will be in Sligo next
on
next
Saturday at the meeting of the Proposal
Committee.
Chairman-----How long will I adjourn it for ?
Mr. Cryan ----The country people say we are
always
doing things by halves.
Mr. Travers----When every guardian gets notice
on
this
subject, they will attend .
Chairman----If you deal with it now, other
guardians
will say "What right had your small Board
to go
into
such an important matter as that?
Mr. Travers----There will a meeting of the
Rural
District Council on next Saturday and it would
be
a
sauitable day.
Chairman---Send out notices for this day week.
Mr. Mullany----Give a fortnight's notice. It
would not
be sufficient to give only weeks notice.
According to
the Local Government Act, you must give
fourteen
days
notice.
Clerk---- It is not my doing.
Mr. Mullany----It will still be an illegal
procedure
if you do not give the legal time and notice.
Clerk-----Any letter from the local Government
Board
can be considered on the day it comes in.
Mr. Mullany---This is a very important matter,
and it
is better to give plenty of time to it.
Chairman-----How long do you suggest Mr.
Mullany?
Mr. Mullany----Say a month.
Mr. Travers----Hit on the proper time.
Mr. Mullany----Give every man time to make up
his
mind
what he will do.We will leave it deal with the
circular relative to the increasing of Union
Officers
salaries.
Mr. Travers----- They will either be increased
or
decreased when the scale is fixed.
Chairman------This day week will be meeting
day
for
No:1 Council.
Mr. Mullany----That wont do, there is always
too
much
business to be done at District Council
Meetings.
It
is very important and it is better give it
time.
If
you give a month's notice you will have no
cranks
like
myself complaining (laughter).
Master---- As far as I am concerned I do not
want
to
go any further with it.
Boyle Union have the lowest average cost in
Ireland,
being only 6s.... per head.
He had nothing to say to the Guardians, but
the
Local
Government Board treated him badly.
Mr. Mullany----The mistake was to put in many
officers
together.
Every member of the Board knows they are most
deserving officers, but each officer should be
taken
separately.
Mr.Travers----- It should be considered in
another
way.
Mr. Mullany------A Journey for a month, the
Board
to
be summoned to consider it and that would
settle
it.
Mr. Cryan----They are very deserving officers,
but a
general increase did not look well.
Chairman----It is the local Government Board
Office
they must blame.
It was unanimously agreed to summon a Board to
consider the circular of that day month.
Mr. Pete Lenaghan stated that in consequence
of
the
letter from the local Government Board he
would
withdraw his notice of motion relative to the
increasing of the officers salary.
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18th February,1882.
BOYLE BOARD OF GUARDIANS.
THE SEED RATE.
[…]
Clerk - This letter is in the handwriting of a
lady,
and I have a letter from John Mulloy stating
he is
not security at all and, and threatening
proceedings
against me. I dont say it is the Ballyfermoyle
man,
but a John Mulloy is security, whoever he is.
The Clerk then read a copy of the reply which
the
Local Government Board sent to Messrs Mulloy
and
Walsh, stating that it is the duty of the rate
collectors to use every means in their power
to
collect the Seed Rate as made and assessssed
by
the
Board of Guardians, and that the Local Government
Board cannot interfere.
Clerk - I suppose the board will mark their
letter
"read".
Mr. Mulhall - It is a very serious charge they
make.
Clerk - There is no foundation for it. I am
happy
to
say that we have not an individual who has
denied, to
my own knowledge getting the seed rate
assessed
with.
Mr. Mulhall - The gentlemen who wrote that
letter
made
a very serious charge.
Chairman - I dont take it to myself for one .
The Clerk read the letter he received from Mr.
John
Mulloy, of Ballyfermoyle, denying that he was
the
surety. The signatures to the two letters were
not the
same. He was looking over the bond, and he
found
the
resideuce was given as Cornacartha.
Mr. Burns - I am guardian for that division,
and
there
is no such man living in that townland.
After a pause, the Clerk said Cryanstown was
the
place
this John Mulloy lived in.
Mr. Patterson said there was such a man as
John
Mulloy
of Cryanstown.
The letters were marked "read".
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4th November,1882.
THE HOMICIDE OF THOMAS HUNT.
On last Wednesday an investigation was held in
the
Boyle Courthouse, at the termination of the
Petty
Sessions business, into the homicide of the
small
farmer, Thomas Hunt, at Mockmoyne on the 2nd
of
October last. Mr. Hackett, who was chairman at
the
Petty Sessions, occupied the chair in the
magistrate's
room, and the representative of the journal
having
applied that the Press should be addmitted,
Mr.
Hackett said he saw no objection to the
proceedings
being published. Major Robertson and Mr.Mayne,
R.M.,
who were the other magistrates present, then
left
the room and consulted together for some time
in
an
adjoining apartment. After a short interval
the
Head
Constable asked Mr. Hackett, the Petty
Sessions
Clerk,
and solicitors engaged in the cases, to walk
into
the
second room. Major Robertson moved Mr. Mayne
to
the
chair, and an application being made to havee
the
Press admitted Major Robertson refused it.
Mr.Hackett
then left the place and declined to identify
himself
any further with the proceedings. Mr. Randal
Peyton,
Crown Prosecutor , conducted the case for the
authorities, and Mr. Farrell McDonnell,
solicitor,
Roscommon, and another legal gentleman,
defended
the
accused parties. Informations in the case have
been
lodged against Thomas Kennedy, John Kennedy,
James
Cryan, Thomas Cryan and John Cryan of
Ballinultha.
Thomas Kennedy and James Cryan were brought up
in
custody from Roscommon Jail where they had
been
detained on remand and the others surrendered
to
bail.
The inquiry lasted over three hours and it is
understood that important evidence was
tendered
by the
Cryans. The magistrates decided to admit all
the
accused to bail except Thomas Kennedy, who was
remanded to Roscommon Jail, and the
investigation
was
adjourned until Tuesday.
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23rd December,1882.
CONNAUGHT WINTER ASSIZES.
Sligo, Monday.
CHARGE OF MURDER.
Thomas Kennedy was indicted for the murder of
Thomas
Hunt, on the 2nd October last. He pleaded
"Not
guilty,"
and was defended by Mr. Kelly, instructed by
Mr.
Walsh of Sligo.
Sergeant Robinson and The MacDermott, Q.C.
(instructed
by Mr. Randal Peyton), procecuted on behalf of
the
Crown.
A special jury tried the case.
Andrew McElroy examined by Sergeant Robinson,
said - I
live within three miles of Boyle county
Roscommon. On
the 2nd October last I was in Boyle, and I
left
the
town a little after nine o'clock at night.
I was accompanied homeward by Nicholas Carty
and
Michael O'Gara. As we went towards Mockmoyne I
heard
a noise on the road, and when we came near to
the
residence of Mr.Hopkins we saw a crowd before
us.
We then met three men - Thomas Kennedy (the
prisoner's
brother), and a man named Brennan - and
shortly
after
we passed them we came to a place where there
was
a
man lying on the road. That was about fifteen
yards
further on beyond the place where we met
Brennan
and
the Kennedys. When we came up to the man we
struck
matches and we saw that he was Thomas Hunt. In
my
opinion he was dead then. Before we came up to
him I
heard a sound like that which would be caused
by
blows
of a stick. I heard the sound twice, The only
other
people I saw on the road then, in addition to
the
three men we met were men before going home
from
the
fair. The three men were stooped when I saw
them
first, and appeared to be looking for
something
the
roadside. Carty asked the Kennedys and Brennan
if
they knew the man who was lying on the road,
and
the
prisoner's brother said "no".
Cross examined by Mr. Kelly - That answer was
given
before the matches were lighted. A great
number
of
people were charged with this offence. A man
named
McElroy, a cousin of my own, was charged with
it.
Nicholas Carty, examined by The MacDermott,
Q.C.,
said
- I was with the last witness leaving the fair
of
Boyle on the night of the 2nd October last.
When
we
came near to the place where Hunt was lying on
the
road we met the Kennedys and Brennan, and some
one of
the three said he did not know the man who was
lying.
McElroy said "it was not the place to
leave a man
lying on the road," O'Gara lighted a
match, and
it was
then seen that there was blood on Hunt's left
nostril,
and he appeared to be dead.
Cross-examined by Mr. Kelly - I think there
was a
fourth man along with the Kennedys and
Brennan.
John Cryan , exanined by Sergeant Robinson,
said
- I
left the October fair of Boyle with James
Cryan,
Thomas and Winifred Cryan. After we had gone a
short
distance out of the town we saw some men on
the
road
before us. When we came near to them a man
named
Toolan said he was about to be beaten on his
brother-in-law's account.
Toolan and a man named McGowan then had a
squabble and
the deceased came up just then. When he came
up
Thomas
Kennedy struck him on the back of the head and
knocked
him down. Kennedy then said - "I gave him
that,
and
long I watched for him ". I did not see
any
blow
struck but one, and after receiving that blow
Hunt
spoke a word. Winifred Cryan said to the
prisoner
"O
Thomas, what is that you have done."
Cross-examined by Mr. Kelly - I was myself
charged
with this offence, and my brother was arrested
and in
gaol at the time I gave this information.
Thomas Cryan said - Thomas Kennedy raised his
hand,
and gave Hunt a slight tip first, and Hunt
turned
round and said, "I am struck. Kennedy
struck him
again on the back of the head, and he fell;
and
Kennedy then turned round, and either said,
"I
had it
in for him," or "I watched
him."
Cross-examined by Mr. Kelly - I was arrested,
but
admitted to bail for this offence.
To the MacDermott, Q.C. - The Kennedys said
they
would
shoot me, or I would be shot, if I did not
keep
quiet.
Winifred Cryan said - I am the prisoner's
first
cousin. On the night of the 2nd October, when
I
was
going home with my husband and others from the
fair of
Boyle, I saw a crowd of people on the road at
Mockmoyne. Two men, named Toolan and McGowan,
had
been
fighting , and when the row was going on,
Thomas
Kennedy aimed a blow at Hunt, the deceased,
and
when
Hunt was "settling" himself on his
feet again,
Kennedy
gave him a second blow, and knocked him down.
Kennedy then leaped back on the road and said,
"I
gave
him that." John Kennedy asked the
prisoner, when
he
leaped back on the road, if anyone had
attempted
to
strike him. Nobody went to his assistance.
Cross examined by Mr. Kelly - I saw the
deceased
taking hold of James Cryan's throat in
Back-lane,
in
the town of Boyle about four o'clock in the
afternoon
of the fair day. James Cryan did not say then
that he
would have satisfaction.
James Cryan stated that when he met Thomas
Hunt
in
Boyle fair he asked him for money he owed him.
Hunt
said he had none to give him, and witness said
he
would process or summon him to petty sessions
to
recover the amount. Hunt caught him by the
necktie but
witness did not threaten him then; neither did
he
strike him at a later period during the
evening
or
night.
Dr.O'Farrell described the wounds inflicted on
the
deceased. There was a punctured wound on the
back
of
his head, and opposite that wound there was a
bruise
running from the bridge of his to his right
eyebrow
causing a fissure in the bone, and opposite
this
wound
on the temple there was a clot of blood on the
brain.
The wound on the back of the head was the one
(in
the
doctor's opinion) that caused death. It was
punctured,
and appeared to have been made with a sharp
stone
or
pointed instrument.
This closed the evidence for the Crown, and
Mr.Kelly
addressed the jury on behalf of the prisoner.
He
submitted that the fatal quarrel on the road
was
the
outcome of the row which was commenced between
Hunt
and James Cryan in the town of Boyle, when
Cryan,
as
would be proved threatened, if he did not get
money,
he would have blood before going home. In the
case of
James Cryan, they had it proved that Hunt owed
him
money; that Hunt assaulted him in Boyle; and
they
would have testimony
to satisfy them that Cryan threatened to be
avenged.
Thomas Keane, examined for the defence, said -
I
was
present in Boyle when James Cryan asked the
deceased,
Thomas Hunt, for some money which he owed him.
Hunt
replied that he had none to give him, and
Cryan
said,
"If you don't give me money, I'll have
blood
before I
go home."
Cross-examined by Sergeant Robinson - There
was a
big
investigation held in the town of Boyle after
this
occurrence, and I made no information. There
was
nothing said by Cryan after he asked for the
money
about a summons or process. The conversation
took
place not in Back-lane, but in Bridge Street.
Mr. Justice Lawson - in Bridge-street, did you
say? -
Yes.
Was Winifred Cryan there? - No.
Mr. Justice Lawson - Well, I believe you were
not
there at all.
Mr. John McKeon said he was with the Kennedys
on
this
night. When they came within a short distance
of
where
a row was going on, on the road, John Kennedy
left his
brother, (the prisoner) behind him with
witness,
and
he went to see if he would know any of the
parties.
When John came back again, witness went home,
and
the
Kennedys remained behind.
John Kennedy said - On the night of the 2nd
October I
accompanied my brother home from Boyle fair.
The
Cryans passed us on the road, and joined a
party
before us. Shortly afterwards I noticed that
the
parties before us appeared to be striking each
other.
I heard a voice saying - "Let him
out." I told my
brother to stop with McKeon until I would see
if
I
knew any of the parties. I went on towards the