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 25th June 1904.

 

 THREATENING LANGUAGE.

 

 Thomas Cryan, Clogher, steward on Coolavin

 estate,

 summond Thomas Cryan (John) of same name, for

 threatening language and to recover the amount of

 13s.6d. lent cash and sought to have defendant

 bound

 to the peace .There was a cross case for

 threatening

 to shoot, and for the wages due to defendant .

 Mr. MacDermot appeared for the complainant.

 Complainant, in reply to Mr. MacDermot complained

 to

 the steward on the Coolavin Estate.

 He came in contact with the man in the course of

 his

 duties, gives him work and let him […]. There was

 a

 dispute some time ago about measurement and ill

 feeling exists since. On 6th.May complainant was

 on

 his usual rounds, when he met the defendant. They

 had

 some hot words, and defendant drew a bottle of

 whiskey

 from his pocket and swore by --- [sic] he'd dash

 out

 his brains on the road.

 Mr. Kilbride ------That frightened you entirely

 (laughter)? -----yes. Defendant took a handful

 of

 silver from his pocket and dared me to take my

 half

 crown. He came to my house on five occasions when

 he

 was drunk. He is a persecution to my wife and

 children.

 Defendant-----Didn't I demand wages from you that

 evening? --- No.

 Mr. Kilbride (to complainant) do you owe him

 anything?

 ----No.

 Mrs. Honoria Cryan , wife of complainant

 corroborated.

 The cross-case was then taken up.

 Cryan (the defendant) deposed that this man

 threatened

 to shoot him, and defendant said, "Oh, begorra,

 maybe

 you wouldn't (laughter). I asked him to give me

 the

 money due to me.

 Mr. Kilbride --- is it not true that he paid you

 the

 sum of 13s. 6d. for 3 days ? ----No.

 Complainant produced a book showing that the

 amount

 was paid.

 Defendant-----That I may die before I go home if

 you

 did (laughter)

 Mr. Kilbride ---- Did you borrow 2s.6d. from

 this

 man? ---No.

 Complainant-----Why did you take out a handful of

 silver and dare me to take my half-crown? ----I

 did

 not.

 Complainant -----I declare you did.

 Defendant ---I declare you didn't (loud

 laughter).

 Mr. McDermott --- Were you ever summoned for

 beating

 your father? ----I might be (laughter).

 Will you deny beating him? --- I wont deny it

 (laughter) but I'm not going to tell on myself

 (loud

 laughter).

 Mr. Kilbride said he believed the sum of 13s. 6d.

 was

 paid to the defendant, as Mr. Cryan's book seems

 to be

 well kept, and the case of Thos. Cryan (John)

 against

 Thos Cryan for the wages would be dismissed also

 the

 case of threatening to shoot. He would be bound

 to

 keep the peace for twelve months himself in £10

 and

 two sureties of £5 each. The Bench also gave a

 decree

 for 2s 6d. and 3s costs.

 

 

 

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 8th October 1904.

 

 THE SALARIES:

 

 The clerk read the following:-

 

 Local Government Board.

 "Dublin, 30th September,1904.

 

 "Sir---I am directed by the local Government for

 Ireland to state that they have had before them

 minutes of proceedings of the Board of Guardians

 of

 Boyle Union on the 10th inst. when the Guardians

 had

 under consideration the report of the committee

 appointed to deal with the circular letter of the

 local government Board of the 8th ult. relative

 to

 increases in the salaries of Union officers and

 in

 reference and thereto I am to state the Board

 considered it advisable to leave to each Board of

 Guardians the matter of fixing a scale of

 salaries for

 their own officers and that the scale was

 suggested as

 a means of insuring that increases of salaries

 should

 be granted in a regular way, and without being

 influenced by personal considerations, except of

 course the question as to whether the others

 discharged their duties satisfactorily. It was

 not

 contemplated that a scale should be formulated

 binding

 on a number of Unions schemes which would

 present

 considerable difficulties. The Board would,

 however be

 very pleased to supply any information in their

 power

 which the Guardians consider would be serviceable

 in

 framing the proposed scale for the requirements

 of the

 Boyle Union, the guardians might, therefore,

 taking

 into consideration the salaries paid to the

 several

 officers in the Union proceed to frame a scale

 which

 would fulfill the requirements mentioned above.

 The

 Board would prefere to wait the completion of

 such a

 scale before sanctioning any increases of

 salaries to

 Union Officers but they would be prepared then to

 allow the increase which the Guadians now

 propose to

 grant to certain officers to antedate

 from the time they were voted by the guardians.

 I am sir, your obededient servant.

 A.R. BARLAS, Asistant sec.,

 

 The Clerk, Boyle Union.

 

 Clerk-----Well gentlemen, what will you do with

 this

 letter?

 Mr.Travers-----We are a very small board to go

 into

 that matter today, and I suggest it be adjourned

 for

 a month or summon a board in the meantime. That

 would

 be the best way to do business.

 Chairman-----You are perfectly right, this is a

 very

 small board to deal with a matter of that kind.

 The

 increases are neither granted nor rejected yet.

 Mr. Travers--- is it left in the hands of the

 guardians.

 Mr. Cryan-----I do not see why you should adjourn

 it.

 It is only ordinary business. and we meet to

 transact

 it every Saturday.

 Mr. Travers said it was too grave a matter to

 deal

 with that today.

 Chairman-----What do you say Mr. Odbert?

 Clerk----It is for the board, and not for me.

 Mr. Travers----Adjourn it.

 Chairman---- It is a question for a full board to

 consider.

 Mr. Keenan-----There should be a summoned board

 to

 consider it.

 Mr. Cryan----What do you want with a summoned

 board?

 Mr. Travers----To consider that matter. What we

 have

 done is not sanctioned by the local Government

 Board.

 It is still in the hands of the Board.

 Mr. Cryan said he was in favour of dealing with

 every

 question as it came before the meeting.

 Clerk----- you will have to summon a Board to do

 the

 salaries.

 Mr. Cryan----Probably. I will be in Sligo next on

 next

 Saturday at the meeting of the Proposal

 Committee.

 Chairman-----How long will I adjourn it for ?

 Mr. Cryan ----The country people say we are

 always

 doing things by halves.

 Mr. Travers----When every guardian gets notice on

 this

 subject, they will attend .

 Chairman----If you deal with it now, other

 guardians

 will say "What right had your small Board to go

 into

 such an important matter as that?

 Mr. Travers----There will a meeting of the Rural

 District Council on next Saturday and it would be

 a

 sauitable day.

 Chairman---Send out notices for this day week.

 Mr. Mullany----Give a fortnight's notice. It

 would not

 be sufficient to give only weeks notice.

 According to

 the Local Government Act, you must give fourteen

 days

 notice.

 Clerk---- It is not my doing.

 Mr. Mullany----It will still be an illegal

 procedure

 if you do not give the legal time and notice.

 Clerk-----Any letter from the local Government

 Board

 can be considered on the day it comes in.

 Mr. Mullany---This is a very important matter,

 and it

 is better to give plenty of time to it.

 Chairman-----How long do you suggest Mr. Mullany?

 Mr. Mullany----Say a month.

 Mr. Travers----Hit on the proper time.

 Mr. Mullany----Give every man time to make up his

 mind

 what he will do.We will leave it deal with the

 circular relative to the increasing of Union

 Officers

 salaries.

 Mr. Travers----- They will either be increased or

 decreased when the scale is fixed.

 Chairman------This day week will be meeting day

 for

 No:1 Council.

 Mr. Mullany----That wont do, there is always too

 much

 business to be done at District Council Meetings.

 It

 is very important and it is better give it time.

 If

 you give a month's notice you will have no cranks

 like

 myself complaining (laughter).

 Master---- As far as I am concerned I do not want

 to

 go any further with it.

 Boyle Union have the lowest average cost in

 Ireland,

 being only 6s.... per head.

 He had nothing to say to the Guardians, but the

 Local

 Government Board treated him badly.

 Mr. Mullany----The mistake was to put in many

 officers

 together.

 Every member of the Board knows they are most

 deserving officers, but each officer should be

 taken

 separately.

 Mr.Travers----- It should be considered in

 another

 way.

 Mr. Mullany------A Journey for a month, the Board

 to

 be summoned to consider it and that would settle

 it.

 Mr. Cryan----They are very deserving officers,

 but a

 general increase did not look well.

 Chairman----It is the local Government Board

 Office

 they must blame.

 It was unanimously agreed to summon a Board to

 consider the circular of that day month.

 Mr. Pete Lenaghan stated that in consequence of

 the

 letter from the local Government Board he would

 withdraw his notice of motion relative to the

 increasing of the officers salary.

 

 

 

 

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 18th February,1882.

 

 BOYLE BOARD OF GUARDIANS.

 

 THE SEED RATE.

 […]

 Clerk - This letter is in the handwriting of a

 lady,

 and I have a letter from John Mulloy stating

 he is

 not security at all and, and threatening

 proceedings

 against me. I dont say it is the Ballyfermoyle

 man,

 but a John Mulloy is security, whoever he is.

 The Clerk then read a copy of the reply which the

 Local Government Board sent to Messrs Mulloy and

 Walsh, stating that it is the duty of the rate

 collectors to use every means in their power to

 collect the Seed Rate as made and assessssed by

 the

 Board of Guardians, and that the Local Government

 Board cannot interfere.

 Clerk - I suppose the board will mark their

 letter

 "read".

 Mr. Mulhall - It is a very serious charge they

 make.

 Clerk - There is no foundation for it. I am happy

 to

 say that we have not an individual who has

 denied, to

 my own knowledge getting the seed rate assessed

 with.

 Mr. Mulhall - The gentlemen who wrote that letter

 made

 a very serious charge.

 Chairman - I dont take it to myself for one .

 The Clerk read the letter he received from Mr.

 John

 Mulloy, of Ballyfermoyle, denying that he was the

 surety. The signatures to the two letters were

 not the

 same. He was looking over the bond, and he found

 the

 resideuce was given as Cornacartha.

 Mr. Burns - I am guardian for that division, and

 there

 is no such man living in that townland.

 After a pause, the Clerk said Cryanstown was the

 place

 this John Mulloy lived in.

 Mr. Patterson said there was such a man as John

 Mulloy

 of Cryanstown.

 The letters were marked "read".

 

 

 

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 4th November,1882.

 

 

 THE HOMICIDE OF THOMAS HUNT.

 

 On last Wednesday an investigation was held in

 the

 Boyle Courthouse, at the termination of the Petty

 Sessions business, into the homicide of the small

 farmer, Thomas Hunt, at Mockmoyne on the 2nd of

 October last. Mr. Hackett, who was chairman at

 the

 Petty Sessions, occupied the chair in the

 magistrate's

 room, and the representative of the journal

 having

 applied that the Press should be addmitted, Mr.

 Hackett said he saw no objection to the

 proceedings

 being published. Major Robertson and Mr.Mayne,

 R.M.,

 who were the other magistrates present, then

 left

 the room and consulted together for some time in

 an

 adjoining apartment. After a short interval the

 Head

 Constable asked Mr. Hackett, the Petty Sessions

 Clerk,

 and solicitors engaged in the cases, to walk into

 the

 second room. Major Robertson moved Mr. Mayne to

 the

 chair, and an application being made to havee the

 Press admitted Major Robertson refused it.

 Mr.Hackett

 then left the place and declined to identify

 himself

 any further with the proceedings. Mr. Randal

 Peyton,

 Crown Prosecutor , conducted the case for the

 authorities, and Mr. Farrell McDonnell,

 solicitor,

 Roscommon, and another legal gentleman, defended

 the

 accused parties. Informations in the case have

 been

 lodged against Thomas Kennedy, John Kennedy,

 James

 Cryan, Thomas Cryan and John Cryan of

 Ballinultha.

 Thomas Kennedy and James Cryan were brought up in

 custody from Roscommon Jail where they had been

 detained on remand and the others surrendered to

 bail.

 The inquiry lasted over three hours and it is

 understood that important evidence was tendered

 by the

 Cryans. The magistrates decided to admit all the

 accused to bail except Thomas Kennedy, who was

 remanded to Roscommon Jail, and the investigation

 was

 adjourned until Tuesday.

 

 

 

 

 

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 23rd December,1882.

 

 CONNAUGHT WINTER ASSIZES.

 

 Sligo, Monday.

 

 CHARGE OF MURDER.

 

 

 Thomas Kennedy was indicted for the murder of

 Thomas

 Hunt, on the 2nd October last. He pleaded "Not

 guilty,"

 and was defended by Mr. Kelly, instructed by Mr.

 Walsh of Sligo.

 Sergeant Robinson and The MacDermott, Q.C.

 (instructed

 by Mr. Randal Peyton), procecuted on behalf of

 the

 Crown.

 A special jury tried the case.

 Andrew McElroy examined by Sergeant Robinson,

 said - I

 live within three miles of Boyle county

 Roscommon. On

 the 2nd October last I was in Boyle, and I left

 the

 town a little after nine o'clock at night.

 I was accompanied homeward by Nicholas Carty and

 Michael O'Gara. As we went towards Mockmoyne I

 heard

 a noise on the road, and when we came near to the

 residence of Mr.Hopkins we saw a crowd before us.

 

 We then met three men - Thomas Kennedy (the

 prisoner's

 brother), and a man named Brennan - and shortly

 after

 we passed them we came to a place where there was

 a

 man lying on the road. That was about fifteen

 yards

 further on beyond the place where we met Brennan

 and

 the Kennedys. When we came up to the man we

 struck

 matches and we saw that he was Thomas Hunt. In my

 opinion he was dead then. Before we came up to

 him I

 heard a sound like that which would be caused by

 blows

 of a stick. I heard the sound twice, The only

 other

 people I saw on the road then, in addition to the

 three men we met were men before going home from

 the

 fair. The three men were stooped when I saw them

 first, and appeared to be looking for something

 the

 roadside. Carty asked the Kennedys and Brennan

 if

 they knew the man who was lying on the road, and

 the

 prisoner's brother said "no".

 Cross examined by Mr. Kelly - That answer was

 given

 before the matches were lighted. A great number

 of

 people were charged with this offence. A man

 named

 McElroy, a cousin of my own, was charged with it.

 Nicholas Carty, examined by The MacDermott, Q.C.,

 said

 - I was with the last witness leaving the fair of

 Boyle on the night of the 2nd October last. When

 we

 came near to the place where Hunt was lying on

 the

 road we met the Kennedys and Brennan, and some

 one of

 the three said he did not know the man who was

 lying.

 McElroy said "it was not the place to leave a man

 lying on the road," O'Gara lighted a match, and

 it was

 then seen that there was blood on Hunt's left

 nostril,

 and he appeared to be dead.

 Cross-examined by Mr. Kelly - I think there was a

 fourth man along with the Kennedys and Brennan.

 John Cryan , exanined by Sergeant Robinson, said

 - I

 left the October fair of Boyle with James Cryan,

 Thomas and Winifred Cryan. After we had gone a

 short

 distance out of the town we saw some men on the

 road

 before us. When we came near to them a man named

 Toolan said he was about to be beaten on his

 brother-in-law's account.

 Toolan and a man named McGowan then had a

 squabble and

 the deceased came up just then. When he came up

 Thomas

 Kennedy struck him on the back of the head and

 knocked

 him down. Kennedy then said - "I gave him that,

 and

 long I watched for him ". I did not see any

 blow

 struck but one, and after receiving that blow

 Hunt

 spoke a word. Winifred Cryan said to the prisoner

 "O

 Thomas, what is that you have done."

 Cross-examined by Mr. Kelly - I was myself

 charged

 with this offence, and my brother was arrested

 and in

 gaol at the time I gave this information.

 Thomas Cryan said - Thomas Kennedy raised his

 hand,

 and gave Hunt a slight tip first, and Hunt turned

 round and said, "I am struck. Kennedy struck him

 again on the back of the head, and he fell; and

 Kennedy then turned round, and either said, "I

 had it

 in for him," or "I watched him."

 Cross-examined by Mr. Kelly - I was arrested, but

 admitted to bail for this offence.

 To the MacDermott, Q.C. - The Kennedys said they

 would

 shoot me, or I would be shot, if I did not keep

 quiet.

 Winifred Cryan said - I am the prisoner's first

 cousin. On the night of the 2nd October, when I

 was

 going home with my husband and others from the

 fair of

 Boyle, I saw a crowd of people on the road at

 Mockmoyne. Two men, named Toolan and McGowan, had

 been

 fighting , and when the row was going on, Thomas

 Kennedy aimed a blow at Hunt, the deceased, and

 when

 Hunt was "settling" himself on his feet again,

 Kennedy

 gave him a second blow, and knocked him down.

 Kennedy then leaped back on the road and said, "I

 gave

 him that." John Kennedy asked the prisoner, when

 he

 leaped back on the road, if anyone had attempted

 to

 strike him. Nobody went to his assistance.

 Cross examined by Mr. Kelly - I saw the deceased

 taking hold of James Cryan's throat in Back-lane,

 in

 the town of Boyle about four o'clock in the

 afternoon

 of the fair day. James Cryan did not say then

 that he

 would have satisfaction.

 James Cryan stated that when he met Thomas Hunt

 in

 Boyle fair he asked him for money he owed him.

 Hunt

 said he had none to give him, and witness said he

 would process or summon him to petty sessions to

 recover the amount. Hunt caught him by the

 necktie but

 witness did not threaten him then; neither did he

 strike him at a later period during the evening

 or

 night.

 Dr.O'Farrell described the wounds inflicted on

 the

 deceased. There was a punctured wound on the back

 of

 his head, and opposite that wound there was a

 bruise

 running from the bridge of his to his right

 eyebrow

 causing a fissure in the bone, and opposite this

 wound

 on the temple there was a clot of blood on the

 brain.

 The wound on the back of the head was the one (in

 the

 doctor's opinion) that caused death. It was

 punctured,

 and appeared to have been made with a sharp stone

 or

 pointed instrument.

 This closed the evidence for the Crown, and

 Mr.Kelly

 addressed the jury on behalf of the prisoner. He

 submitted that the fatal quarrel on the road was

 the

 outcome of the row which was commenced between

 Hunt

 and James Cryan in the town of Boyle, when Cryan,

 as

 would be proved threatened, if he did not get

 money,

 he would have blood before going home. In the

 case of

 James Cryan, they had it proved that Hunt owed

 him

 money; that Hunt assaulted him in Boyle; and they

 would have testimony

 to satisfy them that Cryan threatened to be

 avenged.

 Thomas Keane, examined for the defence, said - I

 was

 present in Boyle when James Cryan asked the

 deceased,

 Thomas Hunt, for some money which he owed him.

 Hunt

 replied that he had none to give him, and Cryan

 said,

 "If you don't give me money, I'll have blood

 before I

 go home."

 Cross-examined by Sergeant Robinson - There was a

 big

 investigation held in the town of Boyle after

 this

 occurrence, and I made no information. There was

 nothing said by Cryan after he asked for the

 money

 about a summons or process. The conversation took

 place not in Back-lane, but in Bridge Street.

 Mr. Justice Lawson - in Bridge-street, did you

 say? -

 Yes.

 Was Winifred Cryan there? - No.

 Mr. Justice Lawson - Well, I believe you were not

 there at all.

 Mr. John McKeon said he was with the Kennedys on

 this

 night. When they came within a short distance of

 where

 a row was going on, on the road, John Kennedy

 left his

 brother, (the prisoner) behind him with witness,

 and

 he went to see if he would know any of the

 parties.

 When John came back again, witness went home, and

 the

 Kennedys remained behind.

 John Kennedy said - On the night of the 2nd

 October I

 accompanied my brother home from Boyle fair. The

 Cryans passed us on the road, and joined a party

 before us. Shortly afterwards I noticed that the

 parties before us appeared to be striking each

 other.

 I heard a voice saying - "Let him out." I told my

 brother to stop with McKeon until I would see if

 I

 knew any of the parties. I went on towards the

 crowd;

 and a stone was thrown up beside me. I called

 "Which

 of you is pegging the stones?" and I got no

 answer. I

 went up to within four yards of the men, and I

 saw

 Thomas Hunt standing along with the Cryans. I saw

 him

 get a blow which knocked him into middle of the

 road,

 and I then turned back to my brother, and told

 him

 that I had seen a man knocked down. Before

 turning

 back, however, I had seen Michael McGowan going

 across

 the road and giving Thomas Hunt (who had been

 knocked

 down) a kick where he lay.

 Sergeant Robinson - There is not one word of this

 in

 the printed statement of the witness.

 Witness - If necessary I can tell who knocked

 Thomas

 Hunt down.

 Mr. Kelly - Well, who did it?

 Witness - I was threatened up to this, but I

 won't be

 threatened any longer. James Cryan is the man who

 knocked him down.

 Mr. Justice Lawson - You have relieved your

 conscience

 now.

 Witness - Thomas Cryan threatened me.

 When I went to his house for boots he said "If

 you

 hold your tongue, nothing can be done; but, if

 you

 open your mouth, I'll shoot you."

 Cross-examined by Sergeant Robinson - Your

 brother was

 not afraid to go up to the crowd? He was afraid

 myself. I can't answer why one coward went on and

 left

 two cowards behind.

 Did you know it was Hunt who was struck when you

 saw

 him down? -Yes, I did.

 Did you ever swear "I did not know it was Hunt

 until

 Carty and McElroy came up?" - I don't know that

 I

 did.

 Did you ever swear this, "I can't say Hunt was

 struck

 more than once; I can't say that it was the Cryan

 who

 knocked him down ,

 I was threatened that I would be shot.

 Mr. Justice Lawson said he had read the

 information

 made by the witness, and in it he had not said a

 word

 about the presence of McKeon on this night.

 The evidence having concluded,

 Mr. Kelly again addressed the jury for the

 prisoner,

 and Sergeant Robinson replied, pointing out the

 salient points of the Crown case, and the one

 reliable

 and inconsistent character of the evidence

 tendered on

 behalf of the accused.

 There were some circumstances in the case which

 reduced the case to manslaughter; and if the jury

 agreed in that view, the Crown would be

 satisfied.

 Mr. Justice Lawson in charging the jury, said it

 would

 be very desirable if an example could be made of

 some

 of the witnesses, by prosecuting them for

 perjury.

 The Jury found the prisoner guilty of

 manslaughter.

 Thomas Kennedy found guilty of manslaughter of

 Thomas

 Hunt, was sentenced to five years penal

 servitude.

 Owen Dodd pleaded "Guilty" to an indictment

 charging

 him with having stolen a quantity of wool, the

 property of Mr. James Ward, of Kingsland, Boyle.

 He

 was sentenced to six months' imprisonment.

 

 

 

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 Hi

 This letter and form statement were written by my

 grand uncle Patrick James Cryan as part of his

 application for the Service (1917-1921) Medal. I

 am posting it to show the kinds of material it is

 possible to find from diverse sources. I had

 checked the army archives but recently discovered that

 the Pensions Administration Section of the

 Department of Defence, Aras an tSaile, Renmore, Galway

 contained archives of pension and medal applications.

 

 Caoimhghin

 Thanks to Veronica Cryan for the typing

 

 

 

 M.D. 2934.

 

 With reference to the requirement to indicate the

 Fianna Battalion on Sluagh Officer for 3 months

 ending 11/7/21, I beg leave to submit the following;-

 On the occasion of the split in the Irish

 National Volunteers in 1914, a small number of us sided

 with the Irish Volunteers and participated in all

 parades and route marches under the then Volunteer

 Commandant; Diarmuid O'Connell. Our own O/C. was then, and up

 to 1920, Maurice Griffin.

 In 1918, Diammuid O'Riordan took over as

 Volunteer Commandant, and I was instructed to accompany him

 and three other Volunteers in a rural collection of

 money for the purchase of arms. Later that year, we as

 a unit under our own O/C , took part in field

 manoeuvres carried out by the First Battalion. Following on

 this operation, the Brigade Commandant as well some

 Battalion and Company Officers were arrested and

 imprisoned. During their imprisonment, we formed

 part of a Volunteer/Fianna/Cumann na mBan operation to

 save their crops and harvest.

 

 In 1919 we also formed part of a Volunteer/Fianna

 exercise in the seizure of the town (Caherciveen)

 band instruments which were being retained by the

 National Volunteers, and secured them for the use of the

 of the Irish Volunteers. We also continued attending

 meetings and carried out field exercises under our own

 officers - Maurice Griffin, Sean O'Shea, David Cremin,

 etc.,

 

 In 1920, Maurice Griffin was transferred to the

 Volunteers and was replaced as O/C Fianna by Sean

 O'Shea. Later that year our collective activities

 became more difficult, and from then until the

 Truce we acted mostly individually in co-operation with

 Brigade, Battalion and Company Volunteer

 Officers.

 

 For instance, early in 1921, I was informed by

 the Battalion Adjutant (John Curran) that he had an

 important document of which he required some

 urgent typed copies. This document was in fact a copy of

 a secret directive from the Inspector-General,

 R.I.C. (which has been intercepted by the Dublin

 Intelligence unit) ordering the seizure of all Motor Cars,

 Motor Bicycles and Bicycles). I produced the required

 copies and we despatched them immediately,

 resulting there from, all available such vehicles was

 seized by the Volunteers on the following night.

 

 The R.I.C. reaction to this operation was an

 attempted round-up of the Volunteer Officers but all those

 wanted evaded and went on the run later to form

 the Brigade Flying Column. A month or so later (May,

 1921) the Company Adjutant (Patrick Gilsenan) told me

 he was to make contact with the Column and wished me to

 accompany him. On arrival he went into session

 with the Column Officers and on our way back he

 informed me of planned action to take effect within a few

 days. Three days later, I, with another Fianna member,

 John Griffin, were instructed to keep the R.I.C.

 Barracks under surveillance. By pre-arranged signal we

 indicated to Col. Michael Foley the advance of

 three armed policemen. He, in turn passed the

 information to Vol. Jesse O'Donoghue, who informed the waiting

 ambush party of the position. About eight minutes later

 they went into action, but were handicapped by a

 little girl having entered the line of fire and being

 slightly wounded. The R.I.C. party dashed into a

 public house and escaped by the back entrance,

 making their way across fields back to the barracks, one

 of them having received a leg wound.

 

 At no time were we of sufficient members to form

 a Battalion.

 

 Patrick J. Cryan.

 

 

 

 

 Ref. No: 3507.

 APPLICATION FOR MEDAL.

 

 Give full particulars and nature of service

 rendered up to and including the 11th July, 1921:-

 

 I became a member of Fianna Eireann on the

 occasion of the "Split" in the Volunteers in, as far as I can

 remember, 1913. Mr. Diarmuid O'Connell, whose

 present address is the "The Irish House", Caherciveen,

 Co. Kerry. was the newly elected Commandant of the

 Irish Volunteers and will, I feel sure vouch, for my

 activities up to the time of his arrest in 1917.

 During that period I took part in every activity

 of the local section of Fianna Eireann, which

 consisted mostly of route-marching. Mr. Diarmuid O'Riordan

 (now of the Kerry Cow Dairy, Cloghran. Co. Dublin,

 took over from Mr. O'Connell in 1917 and he is aware

 of my activities in the collections for arms,

 assistance in the organised saving of crops, etc., of

 imprisoned Volunteers, the carrying of despatches, etc.,

 etc., Of the small number of active members of the

 Fianna then with me almost all are deceased or have

 emigrated. The only Fianna Officer available is

 Mr. Sean O'Shea, c/o. Mr. D. O'Donaghue, West Main

 St., Caherciveen, Co. Kerry. Of the few survivors of

 the 3rd Brigade Staff for whom I worked Mr. Muiris

 O'Cleirigh, Sec. Gaelic League, Tralee, Co. Kerry

 is one in a position to certify my membership of and

 activities with the Fianna. During 1920-1921 I

 was on many occasions engaged in the carrying of

 despatches to the Column on Active Service and participated

 ins the noting of movements of members of the Crown

 Forces.

 

 Full Christian Name: PATRICK JAMES CRYAN

 (In Block Capitals)

 

 Present Address: Garda Siocanna H. Qrs.,

 Kilmainham,

 Dublin.

 

 

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Roscommon Herald Articles No. 122

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16th July,1904.

A.BOYLE. T.C.

Mr. John Cryan, T.C. Vice Regal Bar, Boyle, Appealed against the decision of the court below dismissing a claim for £10 for the malicious killing of a ram, applicant's property at Langnamuddagh near Boyle.

Mr. P.G.P. MacDermot ---That case has been withdrawn.

Lord Chief Baron --- Do you want costs?

Mr. P.C.P. MacDermot --- No costs, my lord.

Lord Chief Baron --- You want an order and costs?

Mr. P.C.P. MacDermot---- Affirmed no to costs.

The Lord Chief Baron affirmed the damage and allow no costs.

 

 

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Roscommon Herald Articles No. 123

Thanks to Veronica Cryan for the typing

28th January, 1904.

 

FRIDAY.

 

 

BIG CARROWREAGH MALICIOUS

INJURY CASE.

 

 

Malicious Injury:

 

Pat Cryan, Carrowreagh, near Killucan, sought to

recover £50 compensation for a quantity of hay,

his

property, being maliciously burned on the 26th

September.

 

Mr. M. McKeon, solicitor, appeared for the

applicant,

and Mr. P.O.P. MacDermot for the Carrick

No.2.District Council.

 

Patrick Cryan , in reply to Mr. McKeon deposed he

was

the applicant, and had lands at Carrowreagh.  He

farmed about 70 acres of land, and he remembered

the

26th September, the evening before the stack was

burned. This hay he was seeking compensation for

was

away from his home in a field. On the morning of

the

27th at about eight oclock  Mrs. Calery came and

told

him about the burning. When he went down the hay

was

burnt in a few feet from top to bottom, and it

was all

ablaze. The Morning was fine and he did his best

to

save it. There was a fence around the hay, barbed

wire

 etc., and one portion of  that was broken down.

The

act must have been mallicious, and more than one

person must have committed the act, owing to the

extent of the destruction.  He was and ther were

fourteen tons of hay consumed and if was worth

3s.6d.

a cwt where it was, and it was also the last wisp

of

hay he ever saved.

 

To Mr. McDermot --- I am afraid I have not

claimed

enough, and in concequence of the burning of this

hay,

I could not sell some of my bullocks.

 

Can you show any malice of any sort against you? 

I

dont think so.

 

Had you a word with any of your neighbours ?  I

may

have. It shows you I have  enemies.

 

Mr. Brennan, the District Councellor, a good

neighbour, who  is to give eveidence ? He is a

fince

neighbour to come up and go against me.

 

As District Councellor, should he let you get a

false

claim? ---- I have no false claim.

 

A District Councellor should let you get £50 for

the

hay that we say that went on fire  itself.

 

Cryan said he let matter go for too long as a

mare

that was worth £50, a few years ago

 had her knee cut clean through, and about three

years

ago four men came to the door and said they would

burn

the house under him. Then they drove out three of

his

horses and cut the knee out of one of them.

 

Mr. Watson , V.H. could bear him out in his

statement.

 

Mr. MacDermot --- Have you him here ----No

 

Serjeant MacElroy deposed  he heard of the

burning

about two o'clock in the evening of the 27th ,

and on

examining of the scene of the occurence he saw a

hanged cock  of the saved hay?

Judging from the appearance of the hay  he

thought

there would be about ten tons originally in the

cock

of which there were eight tons destroyed and two

saved. The hay smelled very strongly of smoke.

 

To his Lordship. I am a judge of hay and it

appeared

to be [...]

 

By Mr. Mckeon , I cannot say if the hay went on

fire

itself.

 

To Mr. McDermot, I cannot say if the fence was

broken

down by the people trying to save the hay. Cryan

is a

popular man in the district.

 

Owen Travers, in reply to Mr. Mckeon  deposed to

endevouring to save his hay.

There should be at least ten tons of hay in the

cock.

 

To Mr. MacDermot ----- I dont say what was the

quality

of the hay.

 

Mr. James Brennan Q.C. deposed that he and Cryan

were

good neighbours and there was not the slightest

ill

feeling against him in the locallity. He did not

hear

of any of the outrages Cryan complained of , but

he

knew of a foal of his was killed once by

lightening .

Witness and the neighbours helped to put out the

fire.

Altogether there would be about seven and  [sic]

eight tons of hay in the cock. The hay was of bad

quality.

 

To Mr. McKeon----I saw a good deal later    hay

bought

at the Carrick market for 16d a cwt.

 

It is not because when there is a glut of it in

the

market they sell it at any price before they

bring it

home ? No.

 

Mr. McDermot said there was no evidence to show

that

the act was malicious and the ratepayers were not

an

Insurance Company, and compelled to pay for every

accident that orrured .

 

Mr. McKeon submitted that the act was wanton, and

the

lads were clear on that point and pointed to

malice .

No-one could come to that conclusion on the

evidence,

that the burning was a result of an accident.

 

His Lordship said his mind was not altogether

free

from doubt on the matter. As a juror, he came to

the

opinion that the hay must have been deliberately

and

maliciously set on fire. He agreed that what

Mr.Brennan said, that the hay could not have gone

on

fire, except struck by lightening. Mr. Brennan

had

only done his duty to the ratepayers  in coming

forward and giving his evidence, and he had given

the

court much assistance. He would allow £15

compensation, to be levied off the Carrick on

Shannon

No.3.Rural District,  and allow costs and

expenses.  

                                        

 

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