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Dates
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BT Records of the Board of Trade and of successor
and
related bodies 19

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PRO Reference Title/Scope and Content Covering
Dates
BT 372/132/75 R168932 CREAN M 01/01/1922 KINSALE
BT 372/154/41 R177642 CREAN D F 17/10/1922 BANDON
BT 372/165/54 R181821 CREANE J J 04/01/1922
COUNTY
SLIGO
BT 372/475/97 R260481 CREAN W J 19/07/1924
CARDIFF
1913-1972
BT 372/528/55 R271694 CREAN C 05/07/1926 CARDIFF
1913-1972
BT 372/608/9 R286980 CREAN J J 28/04/1926 NEWTON
1913-1972
BT 372/746/30 R313454 CREAN R 30/06/1916 CORK
BT 372/1111/33 R412252 CREAN J G 20/08/1931
CARDIFF
1913 - 1972
BT 372/1351/26 R536019 CREAN T 27/05/1933 CARDIFF
1913-1972
BT 372/1451/151 R553554 CREAN J J 15/07/1933
DUBLIN
1913-1972
BT 372/1555/126 R572839 CREAN M H 27/04/1931
LONDON
1913-1972
BT 372/1880/100 R637522 CREAN R 27/08/1929
BELFAST
1913-1972
BT 372/1972/162 R656412 CREAN W M 01/07/1930
LIVERPOOL
1913-1972
BT 372/1980/198 R658176 CREAN J 20/06/1930
BELFAST
1913-1972
BT 372/2006/91 R663095 CREAN M A 22/02/1932
LIVERPOOL
1913-1972
BT 372/2025/101 R667106 CREAN A I 03/02/1934
WEXFORD
1913 - 1972
BT 372/2487/67 R777310 CREAN J P 09/04/1940
LIVERPOOL
1913 - 1972
BT 372/2732/57 R841720 CREAN P R 05/08/1950
BIRKENHEAD
1913 - 1972
BT 372/2859/48 R878668 CREAN T D 07/11/1937
LIMERICK
1913 - 1972

WO Records created or inherited by the War
Office,
Armed Forces, Judge Advocate General, and related
bodies 14

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PRO Reference Title/Scope and Content Covering
Dates
WO 32/7477 DECORATIONS AND MEDALS: Victoria Cross
(Code 50(M)): South Africa: Awards to Surgeon
Capt. T
Crean Imperial Light Horse and Lieut. L Maggar,
Victorian Mounted Rifles; reports and statements
regarding action S. Africa 1901 1902
WO 97/35/61 GEORGE CREAN Born KILMORE, Monaghan
Served
in 15th Dragoons (Light); 6th Dragoons Discharged
aged
44 1830-1853
WO 97/260/102 JOHN CREANE Born RAHOON, Galway
Served
in 4th Foot Regiment; 54th Foot Regiment
Discharged
aged 41 1826-1847
WO 97/304/40 MICHAEL WALLACE CREAN Born KILLABA,
Mayo
Served in 32nd Foot Regiment; 9th Foot Regiment;
96th
Foot Regiment Discharged aged 36 Covering date
gives
year of discharge. 1786
WO 97/419/92 THOMAS CREAN Born BALLINIROBE, Mayo
Served in 22nd Foot Regiment Discharged aged 42
1828-1849
WO 97/485/122 MARTIN CREAN Born ROSCOMMON,
Roscommon
Served in 30th Foot Regiment Discharged aged 42
1822-1844
WO 97/790/112 MARTIN CREAN Born TOOMORE, Mayo
Served
in 66th Foot Regiment Discharged aged 22
1840-1843
WO 97/968/122 PATRICK CRENE alias PATRICK CREANE
Born
KILCOLMAN, Mayo Served in 88th Foot Regiment
Discharged aged 34 1833-1849
WO 121/27/327 DANIEL CREAN Born YOUGHAL, Cork
Served
in 4th Foot Regiment Discharged aged 21 after 10
years
of service 1796
WO 121/67/282 PATRICK CREAN Born LONDONDERRY,
Londonderry Served in Garrison Battalion; Jersey
Invalids Discharged aged 60 after 15 years of
service
1803
WO 339/30619 CREAN H E, Capt 1915-1921; 1940
WO 339/64408 CREAN H [1914-1922]
WO 374/16492 CREAN, 2/Lieut J 1914-1917
WO 399/1854 CREAN Hanora 01/01/1914 - 31/12/1920

HO Records created or inherited by the Home
Office,
Ministry of Home Security, and related bodies 5

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Dates
HO 44/22 Parliamentary reform: J Crean, offering
to
present a plan to prevent riots 1830 Nov 15
HO 44/22 John Crean, suggesting measures to
prevent
unauthorised extinguishing of gas lighting in
London.
Related letters at ff 253-254; 23, f 28 1830 Nov
17
HO 44/22 John Crean, further to letter at f 230.
Related letter at 23, f 28 1830 Nov 20
HO 44/23 John Crean, further to letters at 22, ff
230,
253-254 1830 Dec 4
HO 45/10687/226034 ALBERT MEDAL: Petty Officer
Thomas
Crean - awarded. 1912 - 1913

T Records created and inherited by HM Treasury
4

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T 1/440/17-18 ENGLAND AND WALES,ARMY AND
NAVY,Miscellaneous correspondence from the Army
and
Admiralty Offices:Memorial of James Crean, late
Captain and Paymaster of the 49th Regiment in
Jamaica
for expenses in relation to money advanced to the
late
Lieut Henry Ashurst 1765 Oct 18
T 1/11503 F.A. Crean. Compensation claim against
Birmingham Corporation for loss of office as
registration canvasser. 1912
T 1/11678 Parliamentary Question. [E. Crean,
M.P., 17
September, 1914]. Payment of salary of a member
of
Parliament who has filed a petition in
bankruptcy.
1914
T 1/12610 Messrs. Alex P. Foott and Son. Estate
of
Sgt. C. Crean, decd., Royal Irish Constabulary:
remission of estate duty. 1920

C Records created, acquired, and inherited by
Chancery, and also of the Wardrobe, Royal
Household,
Exchequer and various commissions 3

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Dates
C 10/123/113 Duke, Creane v. Duke; Essex 1670
C 11/2172/31 Carroll v. Creane 1725
C 12/421/72 Crean v. Skutt 1781

TS Records created or inherited by the Treasury
Solicitor and HM Procurator General's Department
1

LCO Records of the Lord Chancellor's Office and
of
various legal commissions and committees 1

COAL Records created or inherited by the National
Coal
Board, and of related bodies 1

B Records of the Office of the Commissioners of
Bankrupts, the successor bankruptcy courts, and
the
Court for the Relief of Insolvent Debtors 1

ASSI Records of Justices of Assize, Gaol
Delivery,
Oyer and Terminer, and Nisi Prius 1

AIR Records created or inherited by the Air
Ministry,
the Royal Air Force, and related bodies 1

Date: Mon, 18 Feb 2002 22:50:55 +0000 (GMT)
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Subject: [Cryan et al.] PRO UK crehan
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Dates
BT 372/945/121 R351647 CREHAN J 14/05/1923
IRELAND
1913-1972
BT 372/1500/19 R562183 CREHAN M J 22/07/1933
ROTHERHAM
1913-1972
BT 372/2282/179 R725905 CREHAN P J 09/09/1938
ORAN
1913 - 1972
BT 372/2347/223 R741309 CREHAN J 02/02/1929
MANCHESTER
1913 - 1972
BT 372/2439/127 R764845 CREHAN J T 02/11/1941
BLACKPOOL 1913 - 1972
WO 97/1144/201 TIMOTHY CREHANE Born [Not Known]
Served
in 4th Garrison Battalion Discharged aged 50
Covering
date gives year of discharge. 1803
WO 339/62256 CREHAN W [1914-1922]

Date: Mon, 18 Feb 2002 22:53:45 +0000 (GMT)
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Subject: [Cryan et al.] PRO UK crine
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BT 226/2608 Crine, Thomas Joseph
BT 372/1040/105 R399064 CRINE J B 17/04/1931
DOUGLAS
1913-1972
BT 372/2150/21 R696178 CRINE M J 24/08/1938
BIRKENHEAD
1913 - 1972
CUST 49/1908 Import duties: exemption of raffia
or
"crin vegetal" in consideration of concessions
from
French government, in respect of certain empire
goods
01/01/1936 - 31/12/1936
PL 31/717 Ram Spinning Co. Ltd. v. Crinion 1913
WO 97/544/26 JOHN CRINE Born RESONDRA, Sligo
Served in
38th Foot Regiment Discharged aged 39 1825-1847
WO 97/2589 Crib - Crin 1883-1900
WO 121/71/64 EDWARD KELLY Born CRINES, Mayo
Served in
14th Foot Regiment Discharged aged 32 after 11
years 2
months of service 1804
WO 339/3810 CRINION T C, Lieut 1914-1921; 1933
WO 339/17258 CRINION F, Lieut 1914-1921
WO 339/65959 CRINE T [1914-1922]
WO 374/16597 CRINE, 2/Lieut L A 1915-1920
WO 374/16598 CRINE, Lieut O 1915-1921

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Subject: Aus Ships1863-73
Date: Tue, 19 Feb 2002 16:23:49 +1000
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Try this For Australian Ships
http://sites.archivenet.gov.au/Mariners/shipdate.html

Date: Tue, 19 Feb 2002 13:03:00 +0000 (GMT)
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Subject: [Cryan et al.] Mariners
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Search: cryan
Found 1 document.

1. Mariners and Ships in Australian Waters -
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EGMONT of Sydney, MICHAEL FITZSIMONS, Master,
Burthen
388 Tons from the Port of NEW CALEDONIA to
SYDNEY, ...

... passenger steerage cryan miss passenger
steerage
atkinson miss ...

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1873 . Surname .Given name .Station .Age .Of what
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Excerpt: EGMONT . of Sydney, MICHAEL FITZSIMONS,
Master, Burthen 388 Tons . from the Port of NEW
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1873 . Surname .Given name .Station .Age .Of what
Nation .Status .Comments . FITZSIMONS .MICHAEL
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Date: Tue, 12 Feb 2002 20:03:20 GMT
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Reply-to: K.McElrath@Queens-Belfast.AC.UK
Subject: [Cryan et al.] Re: pubs, gurteen
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this one from the SLIGO-LIST. karen

Public Houses (Bars) in Gurteen, 1930 and (1980).

Gurteen:
Sarah McDONAGH.
KILROY'S (Teach MURRAY).
FLYNN'S (Central Bar).
MULLIGAN'S (Roisin Dhu).

Mahanagh:
FLYNN'S (Brown Trout).

Mullaghroe:
MULLANNEY'S (Lough Gara Bar).
CUSACK'S.

Rathmadder:
KELLY'S Hotel (Rathmadder Inn).
Castle View Bar.

Ragwood:
The Sailor JORDAN'S.

Monasteraden:
CRYAN'S Hotel (NICHOLSON'S Hotel).
DRURY'S Bar.

Jim McDonald
culrua@iol.ie
Source: Fr. John Finn's 'Gurteen it's history,
traditions and antiquities'
(1981).

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Date: Wed, 13 Feb 2002 00:25:10 -0000
Subject: [Cryan et al.] Townlands - Grophy
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Some time ago we had a discussion about the name
Grophy which came from the
parish registers of Ballaghadereen/Kilcolman
which I had just been perusing
and extracting Cryans from.

Grophy doen not exist in any townland list - so
what could it be? (the PRs
were difficult to read and that was the nearest
interpretation)

I now have seen "Ghroof" as a phonetic spelling
This then takes it a step nearer to what I now
think the current spelling
is.

ie
Grophy = Ghroof = Sroove
in Kilcolman civil parish and between Gurteen and
Ballaghadereen

Eve -

Date: Tue, 05 Feb 2002 21:21:53 +0000
Subject: pat
From: "Pat Hunt" <pathunt@indigo.ie> | Block Address | Add to Address Book
To: "Caoimhghin O Croidheain" <caoimhghin@yahoo.com>
Caoimhghin,

Pages to hand; will type over the next few
days. God Bless your
eyesight, for I could not read those pages for a
sustained period of time.
That's what put me off the reading room in the
National Library.

I presume the purple, indeed lugubrious
prose, describing St Patrick's
Day in Ballaghaderreen was intended for my eyes.

Browsing through the court cases reminded me
of something I should have
brought to your attention before now. John
Hannan (or Hannon, depending on
the whim of the journalist or priest) of Kilfree
married a girl from Lavin
and went to live in her home place at Keash.

It was not a happy union. But that's not the
point of interest. There is
a story that he once killed a man. The best I
could figure out is that may
have been a row with another man, manslaughter.
Certainly not murder. There
would have been much ado about that in the
courts. I have no idea of the
date or year, but Hannan died in 1907 or 1908, at
a relatively young age.
Any chance that you might have come across that
court case (if there was
one) or maybe it is yet to come in Herald
reports.

A chap by name of Beirne in the Keash area
was a noted matchmaker. He
made my grandmother Hannan's match with Patrick
Drury, an NT from
Monasteraden (Lomcloon) who became principal
teacher of Keash NS.

Thank you. I will attend to the pieces when
there's nice natural light
beaming through my garret window.

Pat Hunt

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Date: Fri, 8 Feb 2002 20:19:38 EST
Subject: Cryan Family Tree
To: caoimhghin@yahoo.com, Fatarm@aol.com, tobinmi@hotmail.com, Crogmos@aol.com, ljstandak@webtv.net
CC: Cryandm@aol.com, , cryan@avana.net
Hello,

I am new to the family research and am interested
in tracing my family tree.
I noticed quite a bit of information on the Cryan
name on-line, though I
don't have access to some of the web pages. My
name is Daniel M. Cryan. My
father is Robert T. Cryan Jr., and his Father was
Robert T. Cryan.

Robert T. Sr's father, to the best of my
knowledge was Austin (S?) Cryan. His
wife was Josaphine Griffin. I have birthdates
and all to this point. What
I'm missing is information on Austin's family
(from Ireland). It appears
Austins parents were Robert Austin Cryan and his
wife was Sarah Otis. This
line of Cryan's settled in upstate NY (at least
Robert T. Cryan and down. I
notice a lot of information on Cryan's in the
Mass. area, and some in NYC.

I also saw a rather interesting piece about my
grandfather (Robert T.) and
his time in the FBI, posted by caoimhghin, and
other information by Leslie
(Fatarm@aol.com). Thank-you.

I travel a bit for work, and will be through the
end of this year. Once my
travels are done I plan on spending some time at
the Archives in DC and I am
willing to help fill any gaps and I would
appreciate any help you can provide
as well.

Thanks in advance,

Dan Cryan
cryandm@aol.com

P.S. I did find a lot on the web (Family
archives), it's just a bit
overwhelming, at least until I can determine if
all the others are related as
well.

Date: Sat, 23 Feb 2002 19:02:51 +0000 (GMT)
From: "Caoimhghin O Croidheain" <caoimhghin@yahoo.com> | Block Address | Add to Address Book
Subject: [Cryan et al.] Roscommon Herald Articles No. 82
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Roscommon Herald Articles No. 82

Typed by Ellen Herron
Roscommon Herald
22 November 1902

SLIGO UNION
Attempt to change the day of meeting

Big Change Proposed
Mr. Jinks' notice of motion to change the days of
meeting from Saturdays to Tuesdays was next
before the
meeting.
In moving his notice of motion Mr. Jinks said
judging
from the number of guardians whom he saw present
he
anticipated what the result would be. At the
outside
he might say that for a moment he hoped the
members
from the Rural Districts would not think he was
endeavouring to force the change down their
throats.
He would give his reasons for proposing the
change,
and it was for the members to vote. Members of
the
Board who live in Sligo had to attend at great
inconvenience to themselves, as the meetings fall
on
Saturday, the market day. Formerly the meetings
were
held on Tuesdays, and when they were changed, the
rural guardians anticipated at the time that they
would be able to do their market business and
attend
the meetings of the Board. That now had been
proved as
unworkable, as the members were not able to
transact
the business of the Board and their private
business.
Then the meetings of the District Council clash
with
the meetings of the Guardians, as they are also
held
on Saturdays. On more occasions than one,
although
there are sixty-eight members in the Sligo Union,
they
had to adjourn in consequence of a quorum not
turning
up. Taking these circumstances into consideration
he
thought they should give a fair trial to Tuesday
and
see how it would work. In his opinion they could
effect a savings of 200 pounds a year if this
change
was carried into effect (derisive laughter from
the
rural guardians). It was not a matter for
laughter, as
he could point out. The members rushed down to
the
room, on Saturday, and questions which should be
discussed calmly and coolly were got through
without
proper time for debate. If this was as it should
be,
and if matters were properly considered, it would
afford a big saving. Members were sent not to do
market business but to do the business of the
Board
honestly and faithfully, and they should attend
regularly.
Mr. Cryan - There are too many of us in it I
think
(laughter).
Mr. Jinks - As I said before, I don't want to
force it
down the throats of my country colleagues.
Mr. Cryan - It is not the slightest use.
Mr. Bree - Saturday is the day of meeting, and I
don't
see why you should change it (hear,hear). You
attempted to do so before, and your proper course
now
should be to hand in a notice of motion to change
the
original resolution on the books.
Mr. Jinks - In the days of the old Board the
meetings
were held on Tuesdays, and when the new Board
came
into office they were changed to Saturdays.
Mr. Cryan - We will take no dictation from the
old
Board.
Mr. Jinks continuing, said they had a chairman
presently who was second to none in Ireland, and
since
he became chairman of the Board he attended in a
manner which was worthy of the greatest praise.
It was
at great inconvenience to himself he attended,
and
therefore he thought the members of the Board
should
facilitate their worthy chairman in the
transaction of
his onerous duties. He had now laid his views
before
the members and all he would ask was to give a
fair
trial for twelve months to the change.
Mr. M. Brennan said it would be a great hardship
for
the guardians from the rural district to attend
on
Tuesdays. They would not agree to the change.
Mr. Cryan - All the talk in the world would not
change
it. The resolution is not seconded.
Mr. Scanlan said he had great pleasure in
seconding
the motion. He had little or no interest in the
matter, and it was absolutely no matter to him
whether
they were held on Tuesday or Saturday. As Mr.
Jinks
had said, there were a great many meetings held
on
Saturday. The County Infirmary, County Council
and
District Council had meetings on that day, and it
was
quite impossible for members who belong to all
those
bodies to attend to the different meetings. They
could
not rush from one place to another or transact
the
business in a proper way. Their duties were not
transacted in a way that would be wished, and he
thought there were very few members from the
rural
districts who knew anything about the management
of
the house. They should come down here and look
after
the business.
Mr. Henry Brennan was understood to say that from
the
proceedings of the recent inquiry it would be
better
for some of those guardians who were in the habit
of
coming to this (illegible) and inspecting the
interior
arrangements (illegible) visiting.
Mr. Jinks (excitedly) - I think Mr. Brennan
should be
asked to withdraw that observation.
Mr. Brennan - I will not withdraw. I can prove my
words.
The chairman said he had failed to catch what Mr.
Brennan said.
Mr. Jinks and Mr. Brennan had said it was better
for
the members who had been in the habit of visiting
the
house to cease from visiting.
Mr. Brennan - I said no such thing.
Mr. Jinks - You made use of words to that effect.
Mr. Waters here ventured to express the words
which
Mr. Brennan had made use of, and which were of an
entirely different meaning.
Mr. Waters, in supporting Mr. Jinks' notice of
motion,
said he was present when the meeting had to be
abandoned when the necessary number of guardians
constituting a quorum did not attend. On several
occasions messengers were dispatched from the
workhouse to his place on Saturday bringing him
to the
Board when there were only two members present.
Guardians could not transact their market
business and
the business of the Board on the same day, and it
would accommodate all if the meetings were held
on
Tuesday in future.
Mr. Gethins - to suit Holborn-st publicans
(laughter).

Mr. Cryan spoke strongly against the proposition,
and
said it was practically unseating the country
guardians if the change were carried out. Trains
that
united them on Saturday would not run on Tuesday,
and
altogether it would mean a big loss to the
members
from the rural districts if Mr. Jinks' motion
were
carried.
Mr. Jinks said Mr. Gethins had no right to make
use of
any remarks regarding Holborn Street publicans.
It was
bad taste to introduce such matters. He was
favoured
with little of his custom.
Mr. Waters - He should not make such a remark
about
Sligo publicans.
Mr. Gethins - Mr. Chairman, before I proceed with
the
amendment I assure you that I will not take any
notice
of Mr. Waters' ramblings (laughter).
Mr. Waters (majestically) - I spoke commonsense,
man
(loud laughter).
Mr. Gethins - I have great pleasure in moving
that Mr.
Jinks' motion be rejected.
Mr. Cryan seconded the proposition.
Mr. Gethins said the members from the rural
districts
had no means of reaching Sligo except on
Saturday.
Mr. Waters here interjected some remark, the only
word
that could be heard being "humbug".
Mr. Gethins - Don't be getting into a passion, my
beauty (laughter).
Mr. Waters (loftily) - I am not addressing you.
Mr. Gilgar said they all knew it would greatly
inconvenience the county guardians if the change
were
carried out. They all knew they had neither
tramways
nor railways to accommodate the members who lived
near
the Bridge of Bunduff and neighbourhood. The only
accommodation they had was post-cars which ran on
Saturdays. If the meetings were changed to
Tuesdays,
he thought they would have a good many
resignations. A
point had been raised about the meeting of the
District Council being also on Saturdays, and
therefore clashed with the meeting of the
guardians.
That could be met by holding the meeting of the
District Council at 11 o'clock and then the
members
from the rural districts could attend the
guardians'
meeting at 12 o'clock.
Mr. Bree - Poll the Board.
Chairman - I will not until I hear all sides.
Mr. Connolly said after the statement of feeling
displayed by the country guardians, it would be
idle
for Mr. Jinks (to) proceed with his notice of
motion.
It would be better for him to withdraw his
proposition, or else to adjourn it for five or
six
months. He had come prepared to vote for the
resolution, but from the difference of opinion he
saw,
it was better to withdraw the motion.
The chairman said the matter should be carefully
considered. Mr. Jinks motion was brought forward
with
his consent, and as the mover of the resolution
said
they did not want to rush the proposition down
the
throats of any of the members. The guardians from
the
rural districts could not possibly transact their
market business and then rush down and endeavour
to
get through the business of the Board. For thirty
years the meetings were held on Tuesday, and it
suited
all parties. A complaint had been made that the
guardians could not conveniently reach Sligo on
Tuesday, but as a matter of fact he saw them in
town
almost every day. An institution like that to
which
they had to attend, and which involved an
expenditure
of 12,000 pounds a year required careful
supervision,
and the questions which came before them should
be
well and carefully considered. Saturday on the
whole
was a bad day on which to hold the meeting, as he
was
frequently summoned to five meetings on that day
- the
District Council, County Council, County
Infirmary,
the Guardians and sometimes he attended the
meetings
of the Prison Board (laughter).
Mr. Jinks at this state said he would withdraw
his
proposition but Mr. Gethins insisted on the
matter
being decided by a poll.
A division was then taken, and the following
guardians
voted for Mr. Jinks' proposition - Messrs.
Connolly,
Jinks, Waters, Keighron, Ward, Collery, and
Scanlan
-7.
Against - Messrs. McGarraghy, Hargadon, Foley,
Gallagher, H. Brennan, Gilgar, Gethins, Logan
Dennison, Flanagan, Branley, Cryan, Bree, M.
Brennan,
O'Gara, Harte, McGowan -17.
Messrs. Kerr and Rooney did not vote.
The amendment was carried, Mr. Jinks proposition
to
change the meetings to Tuesday being declared
defeated
amidst applause from the guardians from the rural
districts.
The Board then adjourned.

Date: Sat, 23 Feb 2002 19:03:38 +0000 (GMT)
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Roscommon Herald Articles No. 83

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Roscommon Herald Saturday December 12, 1902
Threatening Language
Patrick Joseph Brett, Aughadrunderg, charged
Joseph
Cryan, same place with using threatening language
toward him on the 27th November.
Mr. Gorscadden, solicitor, Ballinamore, appeared
for
the complainant.
Complainant deposed that on the 27th November he
and
his brother were sorting potatoes. Defendant came
out
of his house and across to where they were
working,
and said he would stop a certain shore.
Complainant
made answer, " You, b_____, come out and fight
me,"
Witness said he wanted no fighting but he wanted
to
stop the threatening language. He said, "You
_____,
you are looking for law, but come out and fight
me."
He called his brother names also, and asked him
to
fight him. Complainant is afraid of defendant. He
had
no stick in his hand at this time. Witness had
never
any dispute with the defendant in his life. He
had no
stick in his hand.
Defendant - I want this case adjourned to this
day
fortnight. I did not get the summons until six
o'clock
on Saturday evening. I want to prepare a defense.
Mr. Gorscadden - He wants to make an application
for
an adjournment. This man is living altogether on
what
he earns day by day. He is away from work today
and
consequently he will get no wages for this day.
He is
working in Dromard at fairly good wages, and
every day
he is away he loses his wages. The man had lots
of
time since Saturday to employ a solicitor.
Defendant - I want to get a witness, too.
Chairman - I do not think there is sufficient
reason
for adjourning the case. We shall proceed with
the
case.
To defendant - Have you any questions to ask?
Defendant - I told you leave a shore in the
drain, and
when you got my back turned you filled my garden
with
water.
Mr. Gorscadden - You are not asking him anything.
Defendant - Did not I ask you down to look at it?
Complainant - That has nothing to do with the
threatening language; the local Government Board
could
deal with that.
Peter Bohan deposed that he was near the parties
on
this day. He saw the defendant come out of his
house
and charge both the complainant and his brother
to
fight him. He took off his coat and vest. He
heard him
calling abusive names also.
Defendant - Did I not walk up to you and ask you
to
come down and see what the case was about, and
did you
not tell me to go back again, and you would not
have
anything to do among us?
Chairman - The question is about the use of
threatening language.
Defendant - I deny it altogether.
Chairman - Let me speak - the complainant says he
is
afraid of the defendant, and he want him to be
bound
over to the peace.
Mr. Gorscadden - Yes, that's what we want.
Chairman - The bench have decided to bind the
defendant over to keep the peace for 12 months,
himself in 10 pounds and two sureties of 5 pounds
each.
Mr. Gorscadden - Thank you sir.
Defendant - I suppose I will get time to get
bail?
Chairman - Yes, till the court is over.

Date: Sat, 23 Feb 2002 19:05:34 +0000 (GMT)
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Roscommon Herald
13 December 1902
CRYAN v. KING-HARMAN
James Cryan sought to have a fair rent fixed on
his
holding at Brogher, on the King-Harmon estate;
area,
17 a, 3 r, .5p.; old rent, 5 pounds, poor law
valuation, 6 pounds.
Mr. Thompson appeared for the landlord in all the
King-Harman cases.
Andrew Cryan deposed he was son of the tenant
James,
who was unable to attend. His father was living
on the
place all his life. There was no turf on the
property,
and he had to go three miles for it. He made
fences
and open drains. He also built a new, slated
house and
out-offices.
To Mr. Thompson - This farm carries two cows and
two
calves. Four pounds was a fair rent for the
holding,
and he was six miles from any market town.
Mr. Doolan valued the farm for the landlord at 4
pounds, 19 shillings. He also allowed for some
drains
which were well made.

Date: Sat, 23 Feb 2002 19:06:32 +0000 (GMT)
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Roscommon Herald Saturday

April 25, 1903

BOYLE PETTY SESSIONS
RUSHFIELD SANITARY PROSECUTION
These petty sessions were held on Wednesday
before Mr.
W. Jones, R.M., presiding; and Dr. Frazer, J.P.
SANITARY PROSECUTION
The Boyle No. 1 Rural District Council prosecuted
Mr.
James Cryan, road contractor, Ballinultha, for
keeping
his contract road in Ross Lane, Boyle, in an
unsanitary condition.
Mr. H. MacDermot (for Mr. P.C.P. MacDermot)
appeared
for the District Council, and Mr. W.J. Robinson
appeared for the defendant.
Mr. MacDermot said this case was up the last
court
day, and the defendant denied being contractor
for the
road.
Mr. Robinson - He did not deny it. You must give
proper proof of it.
Mr. MacDermot - The proof is now here - I have
the
bond.
Mr. Jones said they gave a conviction against the
defendant in a case where he allowed heaps of mud
to
accumulate on the street.
Mr. W. Odbert, Clerk to the District Council,