From:     "jcrain" <> | Block Address  | Add to Address Book

Subject: [Cryan et al.] Crean - Co.Sligo

Date:      Wed, 12 Sep 2001 11:27:08 +1000




Have some 'James Crean's in my tree although none born in the town of


Do you have info on your GG grandfather's birth or when he (or another

of your for fathers )went to USA ? Hope to be in Sligo soon to try and

find out more about some

of those in my tree. I have nothing further back than about 1875.


Maybe we can find a link






From:     "Kevin Crean" <> | Block Address  | Add to Address Book

Date:      Wed, 12 Sep 2001 16:39:15 -0400

Subject: [Cryan et al.] Cryan Obit


While on a work-related trip in New York's Hudson Valley I picked up

the local daily paper -- The Times Herald-Record -- and found a paid

memorial obit for a Kevin Martin Cryan.  The date of the paper is Tuesday,

July 17, 2001.  The memorial ad is a 3x3 inch box, including a

photograph and the following:

"In Loving Memory

Kevin Martin Cryan

8-1-56   7-17-96

5th Anniversary in Heaven

"A Beautiful Life Came To An End, He Died As He Lived

Everyone's Friend."

We Love You and Miss You So Much

Mom, Dad, Christine, Michael, Maureen, Kathleen, Colleen, Stephen,

Eileen & Laureen"


If anyone can claim this Cryan I will gladly send the original

newspaper ad.


Kevin Crean

Long Island, NY



Date:      Tue, 18 Sep 2001 23:49:41 +0100 (BST)

From:     "Caoimhghin O Croidheain" <> | Block Address  | Add to Address Book

Subject: [Cryan et al.] Roscommon Herald 1899, 1899, 1900


Roscommon Herald 1898


29 Jan 1898


Ballymote Petty Sessions

A row on the road from Boyle

John Cryan / Michael Cryan

Roddy Cryan / Batty Breheny / Owen Breheny



5 Feb 1898


Boyle Teachers Ass.

Miss Cryan [Treasurer]



5 Mar 1898

Ballymote Creamery

New Shareholders

Mrs Cryan - Carrigeens



2 Apr 1898


Boyle Board of Guardians

Election of School Master

Edward Cryan of Keash



9 Apr 1898


Boyle Board of Guardians

A hard case

Darby and John Crann



7 May1898


Tenancy on Rockingham Estate

John Cryan Carrowcrory

Pat Cryan Tulla



14 May 1898


Licensing Case

Boyle Petty Sessions

Edward Cryan



28 May 1898


Boyle Petty Sessions

Selling Drink to a Drunken Man

Pat Cryan

James Cryan



11 June 1898


Boyle Quarter Sessions

An Appeal

Edward Cryan



25 Jun 1898



Michael Crann - Carrow cashaely



15 oct

[Madame Edgeworth]


22 oct


[First Cinematograph Living Pictures in Courthouse]

p9 4th col

The masters report

A man named cryan …



12 Nov


Constable Crane



26 nov


suicide case

Jurors John Cryan James Cryan and James Cryan




24 Dec


Death of canon Nangle Croghan



31 Dec


[obit and genealogy of Charles Owen O Connor]





Roscommon Herald 1899



21 Jan


Ballymotte Quarter Sessions

The Identity of a Heifer

Pat Cryan




11 Feb


Ballymote Creamery

Winnifred Cryan, Ardnaglass, and Martin Cryan,

Carrowrea, were admitted members of the society.


25 Mar


Boyle Petty Sessions

Identity of a grave

James Cryan Ballinultha





News in Brief

[New organ in Ardcarne church]



8 April


[Great Meeting in Croghan]



22 Apr

Boyle No2 District Council [Sligo Portion]

John Cryan elected vice chairman



20 May


[The Irish Language - Ballaghdereen Notes]


1 Jul


Mohill Petty Sessions

Co Leitrim

An Assault

Pat Cryan Mohill



22 Jul


[Death of Bartley Judge of the Green Boyle - Assylin]


26 Aug


Suicide of Co Longford Farmer

John Crane



16 sep


[Drurys in Ireland]



4 nov


The Ball Ballaghdereen

Mr and Misses Cryan



25 nov


Teachers meetings

T. Cryan Chairman of Ballaghdereen Teachers




16 Dec


Ballymote Petty Sessions Sligo


Andrew and Michael Crann




Roscommon Herald 1900



3 Feb


Boyle Teachers As.




17 feb

[lighting of Boyle]


3 mar


Messrs John Cryan Boyle

and John Gavican, Mockmoyne were admitted shareholders

Boyle Creamery



28 Apr

p9 UIL

[Splendid demo at Croghan]



18 aug


[Motor cars in Boyle]



[obit James Beirne Warren Boyle]



25 aug

News in Brief

All arrangements are now complete for the holding of

the Boyle Athletic and Cycling Sports which take place

on Sunday in the Drill Field which has been kindly

given for the occasion by Mr John Cryan.

see also p5 report of event



1 sep

Summer Hill College Sligo

Honors List

Edward Crean

Pass in Latin French English Arithmetic Euclid



News in Brief

Miss Amy Cryan, daughter of Mr Cryan the respected

teacher of Townybrack National School Ballaghdereen,

has taken second place in all Ireland in the Middle

Grade Intermediate Examination.



15 Sep


Ballymote Petty Sessions Sligo

A Keash Licensing Case

Martin Cryan and Margaret Cryan



29 sep


Boyle Creamery

James Cryan


also p4

Ballymote Petty Sessions Sligo

Old Case of Trespass

Catherine Cryan



6 oct

News in Brief

[Marriage of Constance Gore Booth]


27 oct

[Boyle Qtr Sess- An Estersnow case- Beirne]



27 oct

Ballymote Petty Sessions Sligo


Mary Cryan



3 nov


[Croghan great october fair]



not finished


Date:      Fri, 21 Sep 2001 17:14:49 +0100 (BST)

From:     "Caoimhghin O Croidheain" <> | Block Address  | Add to Address Book

Subject: [Cryan et al.] throne



For those of you who were in interested in my story of

the throne with the Crean motto carved on it, see the

page I've put together below:





Date:      Sat, 22 Sep 2001 16:05:35 +0100 (BST)

From:     "Caoimhghin O Croidheain" <> | Block Address  | Add to Address Book

Subject: [Cryan et al.] Articles



Thanks for your comments re: the throne - at some

stage I will try and find out more about it. Maybe we

can find some kind of continuity between the Creans of

Sligo and the Cryans of Roscommon throught this



I have sent another bundle of references to the

Roscommon Library for copying from the microfilm [30

articles]. I should get them back soon. A lot of

people have now offered to type and some have already

done some which I really appreciate. But in case some

found it more burdensome than they expected I will ask

for new offers [even from the same people] rather than

assume you want to do it again. So if you would like

to help please send me your address over the next few

days and I will divide up the articles according to

the amount of addresses I receive. That way I can get

them up on the list really fast.


Thanks again



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From:     "FamSpack" < > | Block Address  | Add to Address Book

Date:      Wed, 26 Sep 2001 01:07:36 +0100

Subject: [Cryan et al.] Re: Cryan


Sorry to take so long to reply.

This seem to be the family that you are looking for as shown in the


census. There is no Roger Cryan of the age you state in England at that




Dwelling: 8 Waterworks Rd

 Census Place: Bishopwearmouth, Durham, England



James CRYAN M 41  M Ireland

 Rel: Head

 Occ: Laborer In Iron Works

Margaret CRYAN M 41  F India

 Rel: Wife

 Occ: Laborer In Iron Works Wife

James D. CRYAN U 23  M Sunderland, Durham, England

 Rel: Son

 Occ: Laborer In Iron Works

Roger CRYAN   12  M Sunderland, Durham, England

 Rel: Son

 Occ: Scholar

John CRYAN   10  M Sunderland, Durham, England

 Rel: Son

 Occ: Scholar

William CRYAN   8  M Sunderland, Durham, England

 Rel: Son

 Occ: Scholar

Margaret CRYAN   7  F Sunderland, Durham, England

 Rel: Daur

 Occ: Scholar

Ellen TAYLOR U 48  F India

 Rel: Sister In Law

James KEARNS U 28  M Ireland

 Rel: Boarder Lodger

 Occ: Pavior

Anthony KEARNS U 23  M Ireland

 Rel: Boarder Lodger

 Occ: Pavior

Thomas GARA M 47  M Ireland

 Rel: Boarder Lodger

 Occ: Farm Laborer

James TAYLOR W 83  M Welby, Lincoln, England

 Rel: Father In Law

 Occ: Pensioner


However this James seems to have been born about 1840 and I do have a


producing children in the 1840's in the RC parish of Ardcarn and Tumna


is also called Cootehall. I have been looking at the parish registers


Ardcarn and Tumna but they only start in 1843 and there is only one


for this family. It is possibly of the same family but we have no


Here it is....

Patrick Cryan bapt 22 April 1844 Ardcarn & Tumna RC Co Roscommon

Parents Roger CRYAN and Margaret FLYNN

(these names were written Roderici and Margarettae - I suppose the


version in Latin).


I do have a marriage of Roger CRYAN and Eleanor NOONE 19 Feb 1819 in


your James born about 1840 would have been one of the youngest children


this couple.

Good Luck



----- Original Message -----

From: "john cryan" <>

To: < >

Sent: Monday, September 17, 2001 8:40 PM

Subject: Cryan



Hi Eve

Does you have any information on anyone called Roger Cryan born  in


D.O.B unknown but before 1810 he was in Sunderland in 1886 living in


Row , Bishopwearmouth,

he was at his sons wedding James Cryan born 1840 Ireland marrying


Dalziel (formerly Taylor) 18Nov 1866.

Roger ,James ,Williamand Winnifred are regular names popping up in my



regards John.



Date:      Mon, 1 Oct 2001 11:02:34 +0100 (BST)

From:     "Caoimhghin O Croidheain" <> | Block Address  | Add to Address Book

Subject: [Cryan et al.] Roscommon Herald Articles No 26


Thanks to Pat Hunt for the typing


Roscommon Herald Articles No 26


Roscommon Herald 14-2-1891

Leitrim County Committee

On last Sunday a meeting of the above was held in

Keshcarrigan for the

purpose of drawing the first ties for the county

championship. The

following members attended: ‹Owen Gray, Gorvagh Brian

Borus; Edward Mealia,

Kiltubride Redmonds; Pat Flynn, Ballinamore Oughtrough

Wolfe Tones; John Ward,

Annaduff Parnellites; Francis Short, Cloone

O?Connells; Pat Reynolds, Kiltubride

Davitts; Hugh Reynolds, Mohill Faugh-a-Ballaghs;

Robert Cryan, Carrick

Emmets; J.J.Kelleher, Bornacoola Hugh O?Neills; John

Flynn, Eslin

Sarsfields; John Gray, Gorlettera Campaigners; John

Reynolds, Co.

Treasurer; and J.J. Mulligan, Co Secretary.

    As the chairman, Mr Murphy, was absent again, Mr

Patt Flynn,

Ballinamore, presided.

    The minuts of last meeting were read by the

secretary, and as he

was leaving the book before the chairman to sign, Mr

Cryan, from Carrick,

objected, and proposed that the resolution passed at

last meeting in

Mohill against Mr Parnell be rescinded, and resolution

instead passed at this

meeting in favour of him, which was seconded by Mr

Ward, Annaduff.

    Mr Mulligan objected, and called on the chairman

not to entertain

it, as it was illegal to do so without giving notice,

and if Mr Cryan wanted

to do so, by all means let him give notice on today

that the resolution

against the fallen leader be rescinded at next


    Mr Cryan - No, it will divided on today. We came

here to transact the

business of the county, and it is our duty to rescind

that uncalled-for

resolution against Mr Parnell who did so much for the


    Mr Mulligan‹When you thought so much about Mr

Parnell why did you

Not come to the meeting in Mohill, and stand by him?

    Mr Cryan - We were not affiliated at that time.

    Mr Mulligan - Well, it seems you did not think

much of him or you

would pay 10s in order to gain the victory.

    Mr Cryan - It was a hole-and-corner meeting you

held when you passed

that resolution.

    Mr Mulligan - It's wrong. Each member whose club

was affiliated got

due notice, and I call on the members present if any

one can say they did

not get notice, and besides it appeared in the HERALD

to give such men as

you a chance to come forward.

    Mr Cryan again called on the chairman to put it to

the meeting.

    Mr Flynn maintained that Mr Cryan was out of order

in introducing

the matter before the meeting. We came here to draw

the first ties for the

county championship and arrange for kicking off the

ties, and not for

discussing politics. When politics were introduced to

be discussed

relative to Mr Parnell?s leadership at the last

meeting, you, Mr Cryan put in no

appearance., but now you come at the eleventh hour to

upset what the Co

Committee has done in the past. He has asked the

chairman several times

to put his motion before the meeting, and the

chairperson explained to him

very fairly his reason for not doing so, and still Mr

Cryan wants to make

one end of his tongue a liar of the other.

    Chairman‹Now, gentlemen, I would rather you, Mr

Cryan, would not

press on me to do so, and my reason is this because I

believe in the course

of a few days this difference that has risen in the

ranks of the Irish Party

will be settled, and it is our duty to keep silent

until such time as they

do so.

For myself I am in favour of Mr Parnell, but for peace

sake I would

much rather keep silent at present, because it does

not matter a pin what we

do in the matter. It will be abler men that will

settle this affair. I got

notice from Mr Mulligan to attend the last meeting,

but unfortunately

could not, and if I had been there I would have given

my vote for Mr Parnell.

I don't deny it, and I wrote to Mr Mulligan to that

effect, but it seems

my note was not a vote. However, when things have

happened as they did, I

would much rather we would keep silent for the


    Mr Cryan - I press on you, Mr Chairman, to put my

motion before the

meeting and it will settle it at once.

    Mr Mulligan again objected, and called on the

chairman not to

entertain it.

    Chairman‹I will vacate my seat, and let some other

chairman conduct

the business.

    Mr Cryan - No, you will not; you are an

independent chairman, and why

not do your duty?

    Mr Flynn‹I propose that Mr Cryan is out of order

for introducing

the matter before the meeting.

    Mr Kelleher seconded Mr Flynn's proposition.

    Several members‹It is just the same. It is the

same voting.

    Mr Flynn - No, for I know the reason Mr Cryan

introduces the matter,

because I cannot take part in the vote or my friend,

Mr Kelleher, for

we must leave while it is going on.  According to my

position I cannot

take part, and if I was aware that such would be

before the meeting, there

would be a delegate in my place  here, as there was on

the last occasion.

    Mr Cryan - Oh, Mr Flynn, you will not boss us that

way. The Gaels of

Leitrim are not going to be voiced as they were at the

last meeting.

    Here Mr Ward wheeled about in a tiger's rage ready

to devour, and

immediately turned his back to the meeting, and he

addressing them.

    The sec. Called on Mr Ward to control his temper

and manners too,

and told him not to be impertinent, for he and Mr

Cryan had disturbed the

meeting, and seemingly came for that purpose. When Mr

Ward got notice

to attend he acted the coward.

    Mr Cryan pressed his motion.

    Mr Flynn told him he was a disturber, and a man

like him was coming

into their ranks at the eleventh hour, and raising

disunion between members

that worked together from the start of the association

in friendship. They

should not be divided by men like Mr Cryan, and if his

strength was according

to his ability such as it is, he would not call the

Grand Old Man his

cousin (great laughter).

    Mr Cryan‹I was in the ranks as soon as you, Mr


    Mr Flynn‹Well, you were early so, for I think I

was the first to

put a start on the movement in Leitrim, and I always

observed the rules and

caused no disunion or discord among my brother Gaels.

    Mr Cryan again pressed on the chairman to put his

motion before the


    Mr Mulligan proposed that the resolution passed in

Mohill against

the leadership be upheld.

    Mr John Reynolds, Co treasurer, seconded the

proposition, and said

it was uncalled for to see men like Mr Cryan or Mr

Ward, that had not the

pluck of Irishmen when called on at the special

meeting, to come forward and

give their opinions, but now they saw that they had an

opportunity, which

they would not if notice were given - of rescinding

the resolution, but

there would be as before two to one against the man

that fell by his own

acts. He always supported Mr Parnell?s views and his

followers, and never kept a

clenched fist against the calls of Nationality when

those that are now

supporting him were behind time.

    As the vote was going to be taken, Mr Flynn and Mr

Kelleher had to

leave, but thanks to the "Hugh O'Neills," they had a

man to take the

place of Mr Kelleher, if politics would be introduced.

    Mr Cryan called for all that loved Parnell to come

to his side.

    Mr Mulligan called for all that loved faith and

fatherland and a

spotless leader to come on his side.

    For Mr Cryan's motion there voted - Ward, Gray,

Campaigners, Short

and Cryan.

    For Mulligan's ‹Reynolds, Gray, Brian Borus,

Reynolds, Hugh

O'Neills, and Mulligan.

    The chairman declined to give his vote although

called on by the


    The anti-Parnellites cheered "Bravo, chairman, may

your name for

ever shine!"

    So Mr Cryan?s motion was blocked, and the Leitrim

Gaels are still


    Mr Mealia and Mr Reynolds, Kiltubride, did not

vote, and Mr Hugh

Reynolds, Mohill, said on account of his not voting

before he would not

vote now.


Date:      Mon, 1 Oct 2001 11:08:38 +0100 (BST)

From:     "Caoimhghin O Croidheain" <> | Block Address  | Add to Address Book

Subject: [Cryan et al.] Roscommon Herald Articles No 27


Thanks to Pat Hunt for the typing

[this one refers to the death of great grandfather's

brother - caoimhghin]

Roscommon Herald Articles No 27


Roscommon Herald 8-2-1902


Boyle Teachers' Association


The usual monthly meeting was held at the courthouse

on Saturday 25th

January. The following subscriptions were handed in:‹

Mr Gordon, 5s;


Deacon, 3s; Mr O'Rourke, 2s.6d. Miss Martin, Messrs

Barnes, McLoughlin,

Beirne, Kenny, Cassidy, Nangle, McDermott, Graham,

1s.6d each. Mrs


and Mr Kenny paid 2s.6d each towards the O'Donnell

fund since last

acknowledgement. The nominations for C.E. for the year

1902 are ‹


Central Secretary; Hegarty, President; Moore,

Treasurer, and Nangle and

McGettrick, Connaught representatives. The outgoing

officers tendered


resignation and were re-elected. The following

resolutions were passed‹

(1) - "That the meetings of this Association for the

current year be held


the thirds Saturdays of April, July and October, and

that no further

intimation of date of meetings be given to members

except notice in


Journals; (2) - "That Mr J McDermott be admitted a

member of the


(3) - That we deeply sympathise with Mr Cryan and

family of Croghan, on


premature death of Mr John Cryan."  - E.J. Kenny ,

P.J. Beirne, secs.



Date:      Mon, 1 Oct 2001 11:15:07 +0100 (BST)

From:     "Caoimhghin O Croidheain" <> | Block Address  | Add to Address Book

Subject: [Cryan et al.] Roscommon Herald Articles No 28


Thanks to Pat Hunt for the typing


Roscommon Herald Articles No 28


Roscommon Herald 24-11-1894


The Daring Robberies in Boyle -

An Adventurous Youth.  - Returned for Trial

Roscommon Herald, Saturday, November 24, 1894




    On Wednesday, Mr R.G. Bull, R.M., sat in Boyle

courthouse and held

aninvestigation into the charges of robbery of a

bicycle, bulgariously

entering the house of Mr John Cahill, Elphin Street,

Boyle, and taking

therefrom a pair of boots, of entering in a similar

manner the house of

MrJames Candon, Bank Lane, Boyle, and stealing therefrom

a sum of money,

preferred against Thomas Lavin, Carricknahornia.


    Martin Cryan, publican and farmer, Carrowrea, Co

Sligo, deposed to thebody portion of the bicycle being left at his his

house by last witness.

Sergeant Lynch took it away.

    Actin Sergeant Lynch, Keash, deposed‹On the 6th

inst. I receivedinformation that a portion of a bicycle was at Cryan's

house, whither I

wentand got a wheel and the body of the bicycle, including

the chain, now

produced. On the 8th inst. I obtained one wheel,

saddle, pouch, handles

andother parts from Patrick Henry, of Carrowcrory. On the

9th I receivedscrews. On the 10th I received handles, brake,

mudguard and pedal. I

brought all to the police barrack and produce them now.



    Martin Cryan, Carrowrea, gave evidence as to Lavin

going to his house at

about 10.8 on Sunday morning, the 4th inst. That was

about five Irish miles

from Boyle. Lavin asked for a post-car. Witness said

he could not supply one

just then, but if he waited till after Mass he could

supply him. Lavin waited till then and was supplied with a car. He gave

him coppers to  the amount of £2.9s or £2.12s, and witness gave him a half

sovereign and  the rest in silver in exchange.


Date:      Tue, 2 Oct 2001 12:49:24 +0100 (BST)

From:     "Caoimhghin O Croidheain" <> | Block Address  | Add to Address Book

Subject: [Cryan et al.] Roscommon Herald 1900 / 1901


Roscommon Herald 1900 / 1901


17 nov 1900

Dromod Petty Sessions

[fr hourican, drumsna]


24 Nov 1900

[p1 the gaelic league, croghan creamery cartoon,

p3 extraordinary scene at croghan creamery]


24 nov 1900

[croghan petty sessions

An Eastersnow case

Martin Beirne



1 Dec 1900

p1 1st col

[Longford notes Gaelic League and gaelic notes, art]

[land sub commission Longford, hourican]


8 dec 1900

[p1 Gaelic notes art]


[obit p3 p. houtican]


[Hyde and mcAleese art]


15 dec 1900

News in Brief

[hyde's play and lecture]


[castlerea district news: gaelic revival in castlrea]


22 dec 1900

[gaelic notes:

irish in school art]

[hyde [war items page] 7the col art]


12 jan 1901

[p1 cartoon re irish lang]


26 jan 1901


[gaelic notes: bilingual education art]


2 feb1901

Labourers act  inq

Intro and Creeve

LAST PAGE small art


9 feb 1901


[Longford town comis:

Renaming the streets]



2 mar 1901


[cartoon re renaming the streets

in Irish]


9 mar 1901

[longford town commissioners

The Irish Revival-streetnames art]

also[obit malachy coleman]


16 mar 1901

[news in brief - no's of people who speak Irish]


23 mar 1901


boyle vs c o s

cryan on team



sligo union

tobacco for inmates

hugh cryan



[ad for lecture by hyde last page]


30 mar 1901

[the gaelic revival: hydes lecture in ballaghdereen,

p2 long art]



castlerea petty sessions

Brothers differ

thos vs martin crean




Keash branch co sligo

full of cryans



6 apr 1901

[Croghan branch

pat eardly, m]



27 apr  1901

p2 Boyle race committee




Ballymote petty sessions

Mr Cryans case



25 may 1901


[irish on cart, cartoon]


Ballymote petty sessions

the Keash case

martin cryan



1 june 1901


[voice photography:

graphophone, art]


Presentation Brothers Schools Boyle

Annual sports dayon Whit Monday

John Cryan



8 jun 1901


Boyle no 2 district

Mr Cryan re elected



22 jun 1901


[electric light]



29 Jun 1901

Ballymote petty sessions

The Keash case

E. Cryan



20 Jul 1901


Ballymote petty sessions


thomas cryan, knockaligan


Mullaghroe Petty sessions

Captain Crene RM [Crean, Crane, Crene]



3 Aug 1901

Cartoon of Crane RM [Crean, Crane, Crene]



10 Aug 1901


Boyle Union

Keadue Pump

J Cryan



Boyle Creamery

Carrowcrory Auxilliary

J Cryan



12 oct 1901

[Electric lighting of boyle, also in article-

First photo portraits]


News in Brief

Captain Crean RM [Crean, Crane, Crene]

"Captain Crean RM who was so conspicuous

during the disturbances in Bally mote has been

transferred to Tralee"


Date:      Mon, 8 Oct 2001 11:19:22 +0100 (BST)

From:     "Caoimhghin O Croidheain" <> | Block Address  | Add to Address Book

Subject: [Cryan et al.] Roscommon Herald Articles No 29


Roscommon Herald Articles No 29

Thanks to Pat Hunt for the typing


Roscommon Herald 28-5-1898




    District Inspector Rafter charged Mr Michael

Lydon, Chapel Street,

Boyle, with supplying drink to a man who was under the

influence, named


Hannon on the night of the 9th May. Hannon was

summoned for being


    Mr MacDermot appeared for Mr Lydon.

    Constable Gibbons deposed that on the 9th May he

was passing by Mr

Lydon's public house when he noticed Hannon in the

shop with a lot of


people. He was drunk at the time. Subsequently he saw

him out of the


staggering about, and again after some time observed

him going into Mr

Lydon's shop. As he was passing he saw Hannon with a

glass in his hand


contained some rum hot. He asked Mr Lydon why did he

supply him with

it, and

he said he did not, and would not supply drink to any

man in that


    Cross-examined by Mr MacDermot‹Do you know that Mr

Lydon is one of the

most respectable publicans in town? ‹Yes: he keeps a

most respectable


There was a woman in the shop who said she gave the

rum to him, but

subsequently an old man got up and and said he gave it

to him.

    When you saw him coming out on the street, why did

you not arrest


‹It was discretionary with me. He was not incapable.

    Mr John Lydon deposed that it was fair day, and

the shop was


and he did not see the man. He supplied James Cryan

and Pat Cryan with


halves of rum hot but did not see Hannon there until

the constable


him out to him.

    Mr MacDermot‹Did you see Hannon with the glass?

No: I saw the


with the glass. It contained one of the two halves I

served to the two


    James Cryan deposed he and Pat Cryan went into Mr

Lydon's on the


day to have a drink. They called for two halves of rum

hot, and while

they had the drink before them Phil Hannon came into

the shop. Pat Cryan handed

his glass to Hannon to have a drink, and he had it in

his hand when the police

came in and I took it from him. He had not taken

anything out of it when the

two policemen came in.

    Pat Cryan gave corroborative evidence.

    The bench dismissed the case.


Date:      Mon, 8 Oct 2001 11:56:34 +0100 (BST)

From:     "Caoimhghin O Croidheain" <> | Block Address  | Add to Address Book

Subject: [Cryan et al.] Roscommon Herald Articles No 30


Roscommon Herald Articles No 30

Thanks to Pat Hunt for the typing


A Hard Case

Roscommon Herald 9 April 1898


The following was read:‹

   "Gentlemen,‹I have received an application from the

Master of the Workhouse stating that he was directed

by your Board to apply to me for 14s for maintenance

of my father, John Crann, from 23rd September to 6th

December 1897. I beg to state that I am a very poor

man, having to support my wife and five small children

on six acres of poor, rushy land, and am greatly

distressed this year owing to the failure of my

potatoes. In fact I had none for the past two years,

and only for the goodness of the shopkeepers of Boyle

in giving me credit from time to time to support

myself and my weak young family, themselves and myself

would be another burden on the rate of the Union. I

kept my father for nine years, and if he will come and

live with me again, I will do my best to keep him, but

I have not a shilling to pay the Board for his keep,

and can't do so unless I starve my children. Hoping

you will take my distressed condition into your kind

consideration. ‹ I am, your obedient servant,

Darby Crann.


Clerk‹He is certainly ver poor.

Mr J Mullany‹Oh, Mr Priest will approve of it.

Mr Priest‹I suppose it will be a Union charge


Chairman‹Oh, it is a divisional charge now.

Clerk‹It will be a Union charge next year.

Mr Priest‹I got a hard trimming the last time. I must

look up and cannot be too lenient (laughter).

Chairman‹You my lose the one vote next time


Mr Priest‹A burned child dreads the fire (laughter).

The matter dropped.


Date:      Mon, 8 Oct 2001 11:06:06 +0100 (BST)

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Subject: [Cryan et al.] Roscommon Herald Articles No 31


Roscommon Herald Articles No 31

Thanks to Pat Hunt for the typing


Licensing Case

Roscommon Herald

14 May 1898


   Mr CH Rafter D.I. Boyle, prosecuted Mr John Priest,

Chapel Street, Boyle, for an offence against the

Licensing Act.

   Constable WJ Higgins deposed in reply to Mr

Rafter‹On the night of the 26th April I was on duty

with Constable McGarry at about 11.35 p.m. Our

attention was attracted to the licensed premises of Mr

Priest. I saw light in the shop. We knocked and

entered, and found Michael Horan and Edward Cryan

sitting beside the kitchen fire. There were four

glasses containing traces of liquor on the table

beside them.

   Mr Jones‹Where do they live?

   Constable Higgins‹In Boyle.

   Mr Rafter‹Did you question Mr Priest?

   Constable Higgins‹I did and he said they were

servants of his and he told me to do my best. He said

they were putting on a lock for him. He invited them

in for a drink.

   Mr Jones‹Did you see any sign of a lock? ‹I did

not. Constable McGarry asked Cryan when did he become

a tradesman as he was a schoolteacher formerly and Mr

Priest replied that he was now trying to earn his


    Cross-examined‹I was listening about ten minutes

before I went in. I did not hear any noise or sounds

of drinking before I went in. We were not kept at the

door an unreasonable time. I am stationed thirteen

months in Boyle. Mr Priest's house is fairly

conducted. I know Mr Priest is building a new house. I

know these men are in his employment.

   Constable McGarry corroborated Constable Higgins'


   Mr John Priest deposed‹These men are in my

employment. That night they were putting up a lock for

me in the new house. They worked until a late hour. I

brought them over to my house about half past nine

o'clock, and asked them what would they have. Edward

Cryan said he would love a glass of porter, and

Michael Horan had some wine. I kept these men in

conversation until the constables entered. I swear

positively that I gave those men the drink myself. I

did not make any attempt to conceal anything.  Those

two men are in my employment.

   Mr Rafter‹How do you account for the four glasses?

   Mr Priest‹It was other customers who where

drinking, and left them on the table.

   Mr Rafter‹Did you tell the police these men were

your servants?

   Mr Priest‹To the best of my opinion I told them

they were in my employment.

   Michael Horan deposed‹I am a carpenter and working

for Mr Priest. I am in receipt of [...] from week to

week. I have the pledge against whiskey and porter. I

took it from the nuns.

   Mr Jones‹What is the substance of your pledge?

   Horan‹I took it against intoxicating liquor.

   Mr Jones‹Do you call port wine intoxicating liquor?

   Horan‹Wine is not much harm. We had finished

putting on the lock at at half past nine o'clock. Mr

Priest invited us into the kitchen. I did not order a

drink of any kind or pay for any.

   Edward Cryan deposed‹I remember going into Mr

Priest's house that evening. It was on Mr Priest's

invitation. Mr Priest asked me what would I have and I

said I would have a glass of porter. I did not pay for

the drink. I paid for a drink for a man for a man

named Regan. It was a pint of porter he took.

   After reviewing the evidence, the bench imposed a

fine of [...]s and costs.


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Subject: Choices on CRANE origin and motto

Date:      Fri, 5 Oct 2001 12:15:22 -0400

I have merged together several different origins for the CRANE/CREAN family name that I found on Cathy Joynt Labaths web page ( or that Rosemary Crean Gray provided to me from our Grandfather Crean's library and attached them in a word document.


Fr Butler, OSA, the historian for all the priestly CRANEs of south Wexford suspected that the Wexford CRANE family was of Norman origin and Cathy's CRANE ancestry documentation provides support for such an interpretation.   Wexford  is about as close to Normandy as to Sligo. The Wexford CRANE family Fr Butler traced certainly didn't seem to show much interest in going around Ireland outside of southern Wexford since 1690 (except for Dublin).


I usually refer to Cathy's web page for information on the Herron family which links my husband's family to Cathy's. The world keeps getting smaller. Tom Crane was amused that this Crane/Crean was married to a Herron - but now this may be only one of many such unions.   Or are Crane and Herron (and their soundex variants) only the next most common names after Smith?