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Roscommon Herald Articles No 12


The Bogus Prosecution of the Drumshambo Rowdies in


The secret alliance that exists between Parnell and

Balfour was made clear to all men by the transactions

in Carrick on Saturday last. The Drumshambo Rowdies

who led the attack on the Nationalist meeting last

February in Carrick, were put on their trial for riot

in a Crimes Act court before Removables Paul and

Preston. […] At the sitting of the Coercion Court,

after some mysterious “colloguings” between the

solicitors, it was announced that the Crown had

withdrawn the prosecutions against R. J. Cryan, and

James McDermott, jun., tailor, Carrick, and John

McManus, rate collector, Drumshambo. […]


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Subject: [Cryan et al.] Roscommon Herald Articles No 13


Roscommon Herald Articles No 13


19 April 1902

The Auxilliaries

The next matter under consideration of the affiliation

of Cloonloo and Carrowcrory auxilliaries with the

Boyle Society. […] The experts of the Irish

Agricultural Organization Society, Mr Horace Plunkett

and Father Finlay, were in favour of the establishment

of the auxilliaries.

Mr Cryan said he had come there on behalf of the

Carrowcrory auxiliary. He even advised the Carrowcrory

shareholders not to come to this meeting as

shareholders at all, although he believed they got

notice to attend. He told them not to attend as it

would cause friction.

Chairman - That is a wrong opinion.

Mr Cryan said from experience at the last meeting it

would come to something like it. They came prepared to

pay their own expenses, and if required would pay for

their house and machinery. They only wanted

co-operation. They were prepared to do their part if

the Boyle Society did theirs.

Mr McManamy - I think I can speak for the Cloonloo

shareholders, and I say we are prepared to pay for our

house and machinery.

The chairman asked how may cows they could guarantee

from Carrowcrory.

Mr Cryan - Unfortunately I did not come exactly


Chairman - Would you have 200?

Mr Cryan - We could have 500 cows. We have 300 at the

present time.

Mr McManamy said he could endorse every word of what

Mr Cryan had said with regard to the expense of

getting up the house and machinery. He defied any man

prove that their expenses will be £3 a week. […]




Date:      Mon, 3 Sep 2001 18:42:06 +0100 (BST)

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Roscommon Herald

January 30 1892


Cloonfinlough to the Front


    Mr Michael Carley, Cloonfinlough, processed

Michael Cryan, of the


place, for trespass amounting to £6 regarding a

disputed portion of


    Mr McDonnell was for the plaintiff, and Mr Joseph

Burke, B.L.


    Mr Hanley, surveyor, produced the map, and gave

evidence as to the


    Here Mr McDonnell drew attention to Cryan, who

looking daggers at



    Carley examined by Mr McDonnell - My father before

me was using


piece of bog. I had it in tillage three years. Mr

Holmes, the agent,


the bailiff to allow me till the cut-away. The third

year all the


were turn up. The Head Constable came out, and Cryan

said it was he dug


"the spuds". The same year Cryan's son pulled up the

stalks, and he was

fined before the magistrates. They appealed, and it

was not heard

since. I

lost about 30 cwt of potatoes.

    To Mr Burke - I am tenant to the landlord of that

portion. I did

not put

that piece in the courts to have a fair rent fixed. I

had the title of


and Cryan never paid rent for it. I had the bog, in

addition to my

land. I

put about a hundred ass loads of manure on that bog. I

was put to jail


long time ago over a dispute regarding that bog.

    Cryan ("sotto voce") - And his father and his

mother (laughter).

    Mr McDonnell - Mr Cryan won't deny that himself

was in jail. It is


case of many a good man.

    Mr Burke interrupted.

    Mr McDonnell - Will you sit down, Mr Burke, you

are like a man with


bee in your -- well, somewhere (laughter).

    Mr McDonnell said his throat was sore today, and

he would not talk.


Burke sat down. Cold water was strong today.

    John Elwood, who was served with a subpoena did

not appear.

    His Lordship fined Elwood £1.

    Jane Carley deposed in reply to Mr McDonnell, that

she was in


of the place twenty three years.

    Mr Byrne, the bailiff, gave evidence in favour of


    To his Lordship -  I know what those fools are

fighting about. It

is not

worth their dinner. I gave permission to Carley from

Mr Holmes to till


of this bog.

    Pat Barry deposed in reply to Mr McDonnell that

the bog was worth

twopence a year. Cryan never used this bog before

Carley, and he had


on it three years.

    His Lordship did not proceed further with the





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Roscommon Herald

March 30 1895


The Old Woman and the Young Man


    Catherine Walsh summoned a respectable looking man

named James

Cryan for

having assaulted her. Cryan had a cross-case against

Catherine for a



    The parties live near Boyle on the Doon side.

    Catherine deposed that on last Monday week Cryan

went into her


and assaulted her by throwing her to the ground. They

had words about


and after throwing her Cryan took the hay away. A

brother of Cryan's

came in

at the end and beseeched them to make peace.

    Cryan - How often did you strike me with the


    Catherine - Ah, about twenty times I believe


    How often did you strike me with stones? Ah, go

long out of that,


and the stones (laughter).

    Didn't you throw stones at me? - Sure an ould

woman like me

couldn't be

a little boy like you (laughter).

    Mr Bull - Did you strike him with the stick?

    Catherine - I did.

    Mr Bull -Was that before or after he threw you? -


    Cryan - Did you know that I had that hay from your

son? - No.

    Mr Bull said the court would be quite right in

protecting the

woman, but

they could not allow her to strike a man with a stick.

    Mr Gillespie asked Catherine if she had any


    Catherine - Ah, sorra witness. It was his brother

came into the


    Cryan - Her own cousin was there.

    John Cryan, brother of the defendant, deposed,

amid comical


from Catherine, that when he and his brother went to

take the hay,


they had authority to do, Catherine struck the

defendant several times


a stick.

    Catherine - What  are you going down there at all

for? What claim



    Defendant deposed that at the time plaintiff's son

got married to


sister, he gave him authority to take the hay. He had

a letter from her


to that defect.  He (defendant) would not strike an

old woman like the


    Mr Bull said that if they were satisfied that

Cryan assaulted the


in the first instance they would send him to jail -

    Catherine - He wants that (laughter).

    Mr Bull -For a month. But she assaulted first, and

both cases were




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Roscommon Herald

30 March 1895


Transfer of License


    Mr John Cryan applied for the transfer of the

license held by Mr


Phillips, Bridge St, Boyle.

    Mr Gillespie explained that Mr Cryan had Mr

McDermot, solicitor,

employed but that gentleman was absent.

    Mr Michael Cunningham, T.C. said he had all the

documents in


with the sale of the house to Mr Cryan, which sale he

as an auctioneer


executed.  On Mr McDermot's return the assignment

would be completed.

    Mr Bull - Is he in possession of the premises?

    Mr Cunningham - Virtually. He has paid the money.

    In reply to Mr Bull,

    Mr Cryan said he desired to carry on the spirit

trade in Mr



    Mr Bull - I was under the impression that you were

taking Mr



    Mr Cunningham - No. Mahon's house. He expended a

large sum of money


that place, but, of course, he will have to forego it.

    Mr Bull  - Very well, the bench are unanimous in

granting the


till the June Quarter Sessions.

    A few unimportant drunkenness cases having been

disposed of, their

worships rose.


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Roscommon Herald

Saturday July 27, 1895


Alleged Abusing A Woman


    Mrs Bridget Cryan, the Crescent, summoned James

Quinn, a neighbour,


using abusive language towards her. There was a

cross-summons for a



    Plaintiff stated that Quinn gave her the height of

scandal. He said


would walk on her, called her a rogue, and said her

husband was a


soldier. She had to bring him up before for his


    Mr Bull - What is the cause of this?

    Quinn - It is all politics, sir (laughter).

    Plaintiff - I never spoke to him for the last

three years, since I


him bound to the peace ---

    Quinn - You and your husband only summon at

election times. I deny



    Mr Bull - Have you any questions to ask her?

    Quinn - I have (to plaintiff) - On your oath did

you not say on the


that "the Parnellites" and the "big-headed man"

(laughter) were landed?


my oath I did not, and I can call a gentleman who

witnessed your


    Mrs Ellen Doherty deposed to hearing Quinn say he

would walk on Mrs

Cryan, who never answered him. Quinn was always at her

(witness) as

well as

Mrs Cryan.

    Quinn - Didn't this woman send you to abuse me?

    Witness - Never.

    Quinn - She did, and especially since the last

General Election


would not allow a cart of turf turn up to my door. I

never spoke to


woman or her husband by night and day since the last

General Election.

    Mr Bull - She says you did more than abuse her.

    Quinn - Well, I did not.

    Martin Doherty was called for the plaintiff. He

said he was passing


the scene of the row when Mrs Cryan called him to

witness the affair.


only heard Mr Quinn say he would not be walked upon.

    Plaintiff said Mr Powell, of the bank, witnessed

the defendant's


    Richard Fairbanks was also called in support of

Mrs Cryan. He

thought it

was only an ordinary scolding match between the two

(laughter). He


Quinn call plaintiff a rogue.

    Plaintiff - On your oath did you hear me answering

him? - I did.


were both abusing each other.


    The cross-case was then gone into.

    Quinn deposed that on the evening of the 18th -

the nomination day


North Roscommon - Mrs Cryan and Mary Doherty came out

and abused him.

On the

morning of that evening he was at the rent-office

complaining that they

would not allow a cart be brought to his door. She

said --"the


Orangeman is landed" (laughter) and "priest-hunter."

Previous to that


sent her son, of something about five years, after him

to call him the



    Mr Bull - How do you know whether she did or not?

    Quinn - I saw her telling him. She is trying to

corrupt me and

break my

vote since the last General Election (a laugh).

    Mrs Cryan - He has a gun in the place, and he said

he would blow my

brains out.

    Corporal Cryan then ascended the table.

    Quinn - This man goes around the town with his

pamphlets trying to

induce people to vote for ---

    Mr Bull - Why would he not do that? He has a

perfect right to do


    Corporal Cryan, not being present at the scene

which gave rise to


summons was not present.

    Patrick Casey deposed to hearing Mr Quinn say he

would not be


upon. He could not say that Mrs Cryan was speaking to


    Quinn - The object is - to get me bound to the

peace, the way I

would be

disenfranchised (laughter).

    Mr Bull - Ah, that is nonsense. You both seem to

have been abusing


other. So I dismiss the case. Go about your business


    The other cases before the court were adjourned

for the attendance






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APRIL 11 1891




On last Friday a Crimes Act Court was held at

Carrick-on-Shannon before Mr.

Paul, R.M., and Capt. Preston, R.M., to dispose of the

charge of riot against

Paddy McManus, Corney McManus and John McManus of

Drumshanbo and Robert J.

Cryan and James McDermott, Jr. of Carrick, the

ringleaders in the attack on

the Nationalist meeting there on the 22ndFeb. last.

Mr. Friery, solicitor, Dublin, appeared for John

McManus, Mr. Slacke,

solicitor for Paddy and Corny McManus and Mr. Bergin

for Cryan and McDermott.

Mr. Morphy, B.L., instructed by Mr. Croker, S.C.S.,

prosecuted. The

prosecution was practically a farce, the police

witnesses called being the

men who managed to see nothing on the occasion.

Sergeant Danial O Mara of Carrick was the first

witness. He saw Paddy McManus

coming into town that day at the head of about 40 men

with sticks. They were

joined by about a 100 in Carrick, and paraded the town

carrying a portrait of

Parnell. They were cheering and above the din he heard

Paddy McManus shouting

they would put an end to Whiggery in Carrick. He saw

the Ballinamore

contingent coming,  and the drumstick pulled from one

of them. Father Donohoe

led the Mohill people, and he saw a conflict with

sticks and stone throwing.

He could not say were Paddy and John McManus there

then, but he saw them go

towards the direction of the conflict. There were

about 20 people on the

platform, and Mr. Jasper Tully was amongst them. He

saw Corny McManus

shouting and groaning and winding a big stick over his

head, and afterwards

chasing a man into Mrs. Owen McDermotts. When Canon

Hoare was speaking, some

one on the platform said "Kitty O'Shea." Paddy McManus

shouted " Not another

word" and then in the din of the confusion set up

again. He saw McDermott,

Cryan, and the McManus's at the breaking up of the

platform, and their

conduct was bad. The priests then held the meeting in

the chapel-yard, and

the Drumshambo people brought down Parnell's banner,

and placed it before the

chapel door and commenced groaning, shouting and

whistling. The Drumshambo

people were not the only Parnellites.

Mr. Bergin said the Carrick Parnellites could have

swept the town if they



MR. FRIERY: Did you consider the reterence to Mrs.

O'Shea bythe seceders an

insult to Mr. Parnell or his followers?


WITNESS: Well, they took it as an insult.


Constable Irwin proved that Robert Cryan was waving

his hat and cheering for

Parnell when Canon Hoare was trying to speak. There

was a man named Hunt from

Boyle very prominent there that day.


Constable James Fitzgerald swore he saw the McManuss

do nothing but cheer and shout. They cheered for

Parnell. He saw an ordinary stick with Corny 

McManus. He did not see Cryan and McDermott do

anything but cheer.

To Mr. Paul I saw the Drumshanbo men strike the


Constable Robert Shaw disposed that he saw the

McManuss take part in

scuffling at the platform.

Constable George Richardson, Drumshanbo, in his

evidence mentioned that he

saw the three McManus's, of Drumshanbo, assisting in

pulling down the


To Mr. Bergin---John McManus is a rate collector , and

he gave us a seat. The defendants are all respectable.


Constable David Noonan deposed that the man he saw

handling Parnell's banner

and carrying it with another in front of the chapel

door was Pat Malone, of


Thomas Egan, a Parnellite, from Attirory near Carrick,

was next examined; He

got a black eye that day.


Was it through friendship you were struck?

- No


Is your political opinion known in Carrick?

I appeal to the Head Constable (great laughter)

Cross examined by Mr. Bergin -I was on Mr. Parnells

side that day. (laughter)

To Mr. Slacke -I believe it was a McCarthyite who

struck me.(laughter)

Owen Hunt, Patrick Early, P.L.G., the Very Rev. Canon

J. Hoare,P.P.V.F.,

Carrick-on-Shannon, Rev. F. Donohoe, P.P., Mohill;

Jasper Tully, Boyle; Dr.

Mulcahy, Coroner, Ballinamore having been called as

Crown witnesses.

The Court adjourned until Saturday week.

Great indignation is felt at the action of the

authorities in endeavoring to

make prosecutors of the Priests.

Father Donohoe's letter in the National Press today

has caused great

consternation in official quarters, and a copy of this

paper has been





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11th April 1891



Mr. J.Mulligan, Co. Secretary, said as the business

pertaining to

championship was concluded; he wished to say a few

words concerning one of

their brother members, and it was no other individual

than the saintly

creature Mr.R.J.Q.W.T.R. Cryan, (laughter) the

"honourable" representative 

of the Carrick-on-Shannon team who had created so much

 trouble and disunion

in the country...the so called ringleader of the

recent disgraceful scenes at

Carrick. By his means their priests, whom they loved

so well, had been

warranted by Government authority because they would

not appear before

Balfour's court to proscute the rowdies of Carrick and

Drumshanbo. They had

caused the disturbance at Carrick meeting while

District-Inspector Rogers let

Irishmen spill one another's blood. It was sought to

put the Priests and

their flocks at variance. It was misguided men like

Cryan who were

instrumental in that.

Therefore, he now proposed the expulsion of Cryan from

the County Council, 

because by having him amongst them it would be casting

a slur and disgrace on

them as Gaels and Nationalists. He did not want to be

any way bitter towards

a man to express his opinions whether Parnellite or

Nationalist, but they

could not tolerate a man through whose rowdyism their

priests, perhaps,  may

be before many days lodged in Balfour's dungeons.

Mr. Peter Mcguire seconded the expulsion of Cryan.

CHAIRMAN:  that is a resolution concerning politics,

and I will not entertain

it, it may cause disunion.

MR.MULLIGAN: I beg your pardon, Mr. Chairman. You must

entertain it. How

well  politics were, entertained at our last meeting,

and there was no

objection or disunion.

HAIRMAN: Well, I was not chairman.

MR.MULLIGAN: You should have attended. As long as the

chairman has such

quibbling I will resign and you can put Mr. Cryan in

my place (no, no)

I will never sit with a man like Cryan whose acts are

the means of having the

men of Mohill, perhaps,  to part with their priests

for some time (murmurs)


The meeting declared  strongly  against Cryan , and

Mr. Mulligan left the

room followed by everyman present except the chair and

the Cloone

representative. Mr. Mulligan's followers again

returned to the room when  Mr.

Michael Murphy, P.L.G., Capt. Fenagh St.Cailins, was

moved  to the chair.

Mr. Mulligan again proposed the expulsion of Cryan

which was seconded 'una

voce' by eleven Nationalists and warmly endorsed by a

ringing cheer  from

hundreds outside.

The chairman Mr. Murphy, P.L.G., said he never had

greater pleasure in

putting a resolution to a meeting than the present

one. The resolution was

carried with great enthusiasm.




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The Roscommon Herald, Boyle

Saturday, Sept 21 1895






TAKE NOTICE that it is my intention to apply at the

next general Quarter

Sessions, to be held at Boyle, in and for the Division

of Boyle, and County

of Roscommon,  on the 18th day of October next, for

amagistrate's certificate

to entitle me to receive a Confirmation of the license

to sell Beer, Cider, 

and Spirits,  by retail at my dwelling house, situate

at Bridge Street,

Boyle,  in the parish of Boyle, Barony of Boyle and

County of Roscommon.

Date this 11th day of Sep. 1895,  JOHN CRYAN



P.C.P MacDermot, Solicitor for Applicant, Boyle

To R.R. Fry,Esq., J.P;

Major Murphy, J.P;

W.H.Robinson, Esq.;

Clerk of the Crown and Peace, Peace Office, Roscommon;

and to

C.H. Rafter,Esq., D.I.,R.I.C., Boyle




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21 March 1891



Crimes act summonses have been served on the

ringleaders of the Drumshanbo

and Carrick rowdies who broke up the Carrick meeting.

They are charged with riot and unlawful assembly, and

the defendants are

Paddy McManus, Corny McManus, John McManus, James

McDermott, Drumshanbo, and

Robert J. P. Q. Cryan.  Paddy McManus is a most arrant

coward, because when

he  was in Kilmainham for a couple of months as a

suspect , he signed the

most humiliating conditions to get out.  A dose of the

plank-bed was one of

the things he never bargained for when he came out

cheering the police and

attacking the priests in Carrick. [...]




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16th February 1895




JamesBeirne, Kiltycreighton, summoned a young neighbor

named Pat Cryan for

having assaulted him on 1st inst.


Plaintiff stated that he had been settling with the

defendant's uncle about

the service of cows, opposite Mr. Clarke's in the

Black Lane, when the

defendant approached them and said to the uncle "Have

nothing to do with that man" whereupon he struck

plaintiff on the forehead and ran away.


Owen Shannon deposed to seeing the blow struck in the

manner described by plaintiff.


DEFENDANT:  Did you see my uncle go between us and

prevent him striking me when he made the rush at me?


WITNESS: I did not. I was standing between you both.


Michael Horan stated he only heard Beirne say he was

struck by Cryan.

Cryan had across-case against Beirne for assault. He

stated Beirne was only offering his uncle 7s 6d for

the service, instead of 16s. He was insisting on the

uncle taking the small amount. When he ( Cryan) asked

his uncle to come home Beirne said,"What has he got to

do with you?" and rushed at him with a stick, aiming a

blow at him , and nearly pushing him through Mr.

Clarke's window. His uncle said to Beirne that it was

a shame to strike the little boy.


James Cryan and Michael Tooman gave evidence as to

seeing young Cryan get the shove.

John O'Rourke was sworn but he could not throw any

light on the matter.

The bench fined Cryan 5s and costs, and dismissed the

cross-case against



 CRYAN: Only for I struck him that night there was a

danger of him killing

me, because he is a fighting man (laughter)


MR. BULL:You appear to be fighting man yourself (a





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>From  BOYLE, Saturday, Sept 12, 1891



Ballinamore Notes (Co Leitrim)

(From our Correspondent)


EXCITING    What will the Carrick-on-

SCENES    Shannon rowdy, Parnellites

next turn their hand to? 

This week they appeared in the role of

emergencymen.  No more trusty fellows could

be selected for this purpose (that two masons

named Bob V.F.P.X.V.M.Z. Cryan, and

a burly-looking fellow named Hayden, who

accompanied him from Carrick.  The latter's

Cristian name is either James or John, but lest

I should make an unintentional mistake

and inflict unnecessary pain on any Carrick

person, I will attempt a little personal

description of this Hayden.  He is tall and dark

complexioned with a wild black moustache

and lantern jaws and a prominent set of teeth

and lips which bear evidence of frequent contact

with porter.  These worthy tools of rowdy

Paddy McManus were on Monday engaged

near Newtowngore - a village about three

miles from here - in levelling an evicted

tenant's house under the superintendence of

Cryan's father.  The people of the locality, who

were already incensed against them for the

Carrick infamy, soon made the district a veritable

frying pan for them with the result that these

Carrick Parnellite crowbar brigade men soon

flew.  Surely Nemises is dogging the footsteps

of the plotters and actors of the Carrick outrage!



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Dated Saturday Oct. 1, 1892 




Mr. Michael Cryan, Boyle, summoned

Mrs Quinn, wife of James Quinn,

carpenter, Ross Lane, for having used

abusive language towards him, and

also for assaulting his child.


The plaintiff, who gave his evidence

in a clear and intelligent manner, stated

 - At about five o'clock on Sunday

evening my wife directed my attention

to the defendant's scolding. 

I asked her what was the matter, and she

told me that Quinn's wife had upset the

child.  She was attempting a second

assault on the child when I ran to its

assistance.  Her children were giving us

great trouble, so I went out to this

woman and told her to control her children.

 "Go long" said she, "you black sweep; you lunatic."


Mrs Quinn - I said you were like a lunatic.


Corporal Cryan - There were witnesses

a short distance off who heard this

woman.  I said to my wife - "Don't

answer this woman.  I'll take her before

a magistrate."  Her expressions were

dreadful, and I have respectable witnesses

to prove same. I told her I would not

speak to her, but that I would bring her

before a magistrate.  "Speaking to you,

you black sweep," she said. "Go long,

you lunatic."


Chairman - Then you want me to bind this

woman to keep the peace?


Mr. Cryan - Well no.  I want to get

along quietly, as I have always done.


Chairman - This is a case of abusive

language, and is more for the Town Court

than this one.


Mr. Quinn here began to tell a story.


Chairman - You must ask questions.


Mrs Quinn (to Mr. Cryan) - Didn't your wife abuse me?


Mr. Cryan - I cannot answer that question.


Defendant then admitted the use of abusive language.


Mary Grehan corroborated plaintiff's statement.


Chairman - I suppose it was all about the children?


Mary Grehan - Well it was.  Mrs Quinn called Mr. Cryan

a sweep and a lunatic.


Mrs. Quinn - I called him a lunatic because he looked


one when he came out in his shirt sleeves.


James Quinn - She did not say he was one. 

She said he was like one (laughter).


Chairman - It was as near a thing as she could

say - a distinction without a difference (renewed



Mrs Cryan was examined and stated that Mrs Quinn

struck her child on the head, and then when she went

to check her for it she called her a "ballad singer."


Mr Quinn denied this statement.


Chairman - I would recommend you to leave this man

and his wife alone.  This is a case of riotous and

indecent behaviour.


The case was dismissed. 




Mr Cryan had also a case against James Quinn.


Mr Cryan - On yesterday evening my wife sent for me,

and when I went to the house, I found her shaking. 

Quinn had been using very abusive language towards


I said to Quinn - " On the word of a man, or as a man,


should you make use of such language to this woman?" 

"Go long you b-----r" he said "I would knock the head

off you." 

Mr Cryan went on to state the nature of the abuse

towards himself

and his wife by Quinn, and during the giving of his

evidence was f

requently interrupted by Quinn, who was eventually

called to order.


Mr Cryan - The abuse was so much that I went to Mr

Gillespie, C.P.S.,

and got a warrant, which contained the evidence I am

after giving. 

I am in dread of this man.


Chairman - You are taking very strong measures.


Quinn - It is a wonder a soldier like you would be

afraid of me (laughter).


Mr Cryan - If I met you in the discharge of a military

duty you

would know then, but (addressing the Bench) it would


become me nor would it be wise of me, to have any


with this man, as a civilian.


Quinn denied the offence, and hurled at Mr Cryan


charges at random.  He said he threatened to strike


when he said he would put him and his wife out of that



Mr Cryan applied to make another statement.


Chairman - Not now.


Mr Cryan - Thank you.


Michael Connor corroborated Mr Cryan's statement.


James McGlynn also gave corroborative evidence, and

said nothing could take place on the occasion without

his knowledge.


Chairman (to defendant) - I will put you under a rule

of bail

to keep the peace for twelve months, yourself in #10


two securities in #5 each.


Quinn - I think that according to the law he should be

bound over, too.


Mr Cryan - I did not make use of any abusive language



Quinn - I appeal to the police if ever I broke the



Chairman - You appear to have lost your temper.


In the cross against Mry Cryan the chairman said

- " I refuse to put this man under a rule of bail."



Date:      Thu, 6 Sep 2001 11:34:26 +0100 (BST)

From:     Caoimhghin O Croidheain <> | Block Address | Add to Address Book

Subject: [Cryan et al.] Roscommon Herald Articles No 25


Subject:  [Cryan et al.] Roscommon Herald Articles No



Thanks to Ellen for the typing

16 January 1892




Michael Cryan summoned Michael Beirne

for assaulting him on the road near the Kingsland post


Beirne had a cross case against Cryan.


Mr MacDermot appeared for Beirne.


Cryan deposed that he was coming from Kingsland post


There were three boys, Michael Cryan, John Morris,

Peter Campbell on the road. 

Beirne asked him what was he listining to, and struck

him with a stick. 

He went to Mrs Connaughton's to be washed and

Beirne again followed him and cut his lip with a



To Mr MacDermot - Myself and my brothers are not on

good terms

with the Beirnes.  We were summoned for trespassing on

their lands. 

I went behind no hedge.  I said to Beirne I would

stand on the road

as long as I liked.  There was no bad language used by

me.  I did

not ask Beirne to fight me, because I would not be

able for him. 

I said I would spend two shillings on him for a



John Morris was sworn, and he denied that Beirne hit


Cryan was hit in the bushes.  He heard the noise, and


it was a bird.  When they went to look through the

bushes, Beirne told

Cryan to kiss -----.  Witness commenced to gesticulate

with his hands.


Capt. McTernan - Keep your hands quiet.


Mr MacDermot - He is not in the bush now. 

Don't mind those antics or declaiming.


Capt McTernan - I will give Cryan leave to


this witness, but he will not get much out of him.


Mr MacDermot - And he is Cryan's witness.


Capt McTernan - He is also your witness.


Morris who is a young lad, again waved his hands.


Capt McTernan - Keep your hands quiet.  I wonder

you did not use them on the occasion.


After hearing more evidence, Capt McTernan dismissed

the case without prejudice.




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         Re: [Cryan et al.] Wexford Crane/Crean


Ellen, I'm doing a little follow-up on your earlier email (Aug. 6th). 


sounds as though you have quite a bit of information for the period

that is a

'dark ages' of sorts for most of the researchers on the list, mainly

htat of

the eighteenth century.  Do I understand correctly that your family,


Crean (or descendants of Crean), were Crane back in 1690?  Do you have


story to share regarding that?  It's a source of continuous interest to

me to

see the spelling changes and overlaps ...  Thanks -- (when you get a


of course!  Look how long it takes me!)  - Leslie


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         Thu, 6 Sep 2001 20:52:26 EDT


         [Cryan et al.] Last of the Name ... a book to recommend


No Creans et al. in this book, but nonetheless an enlightening read:


The Last of the Name

by Charles McGlinchey, Brian Friel (Editor)

Hardcover - 119 pages (September 1, 1999)

J S Sanders & Co; ISBN: 1879941457


Post WWII a school teacher transcribed conversations he had with an


resident of the village in which he taught.  It's an interesting


because of the obvious import of oral narrative in this man's life.  He


remembers tales from his own grandfather's youth or peers.  The


touch is certainly felt because their discussions are necessarily


into chapters for a book.  If you want a feel for mid-nineteenth


Irish country life, this is your book.  There are glimpses of earlier

nineteenth century life, too.  Twentieth century history is irrelevant. 

Maybe for that reason alone it's an educating experience to read!  


thought I'd share, Leslie



         Fri, 7 Sep 2001 10:36:38 +0100 (BST)


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         [Cryan et al.] Strange....



I went to Roscommon recently with my cousin Lauri to

see if we could find the gggrandfathers grave in

Eastersnow cemetery. We talked to locals and bought

chalk to read the faded old graves but to no avail. We

also called into Fr Leonard, the Croghan parish

priest, to see if there were any plot records (which

there weren't). However on the way out of his house I

asked him about a throne-like chair in his porch. He

said that it was quite old and had come from a bishops

house locally. Along the top of the wooden 'canopy' of

the the bishops throne were carved the words'Cor

mundum crea in me Deus' - the Crean family motto.....





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          [Cryan et al.] Thank you Caoimhghin!


Hello Caoimhghin,

Just want to let you know how much your efforts with the Roscommon

Herald are appreciated!!

The Corporal Michael Cryan in Roscommon Herald Articles No.24, Saturday

Oct. 1, 1892 is my great-grandfather. You can imagine how delighted I

am to have this glimpse into his personality.

I am going to be in Dublin for the upcoming Genealogy Congress and was

wondering if you would permit me to treat you to a meal, or if you

prefer a pint, sometime during the week of September 17-22.

I'll also gladly do some transcribing when I return home in early

October.Thanks again.

Maureen McCourt Nantista

Huntington, NY



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          [Cryan et al.] Article No. 17 - my family again


The Cryans in Roscommon Herald Articles No 17, Saturday July 27, 1895

are also my family.

Seems there was continuing bad blood between them and the Quinns.

Maureen McCourt Nantista,

Huntington, NY



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         Re: [Cryan et al.] Strange....


         Caoimhghin O Croidheain <>

Fascinating!  I wonder if it could be from Bishop

Andrew Crean who was the Diocese of Elphin Bishop in

the 1600's.




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         Sun, 9 Sep 2001 21:01:13 +1000


         [Cryan et al.] Crean - Collooney, Co. Sligo


I am interested in any information  on the 'CREAN' family from


My gg-grandfather was George CREAN (or CRANE) born about 1785. My

grandfather William CREAN born about 1860 who moved to Scotland and

changed the spelling  of his name to CRAIN so that it wes pronounced

properly by the Scots.


Other lines I am following are William CREAN born 6 Aug 1899 and Thomas

CREAN born 1 Jul 1900 who went to USA in 1922 on the 'Laconia' and

Joseph CREAN born 4 Oct 1881 and Robert CREAN born 19 Jun 1883 who went to

USA in 1908 on the 'Cedric'. I have recently made contact with one of

Robert's descendants.


Jim Crain



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         [Cryan et al.] CRYAN CONSULTING



- Dublin-based strategy consultancy firm Prospectus

has announced the

  acquisition of Cryan Consulting, an independent

consultancy practice

  serving clients in the Irish and US technology

industry, founded by

  Mary Cryan in 1985. The combined operation will have


  revenues in excess of IR3m in its next fiscal year.

It will trade

  under the Prospectus name, and its clients will

include Baltimore

  Technologies, Norkom Technologies, Euristix,

Massana, Mysis, WBT and

  IFS. Ms Cryan, a former chairperson of the Irish


  Association, will join the board of Prospectus and

head up the

  technology division of the enlarged firm. Prospectus


  Consultants is Ireland's largest firm of independent


  strategy consultants. Established in 1991, the

company serves clients

  across a range of sectors including technology,


  financial services, health care and public sectors.