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Mary Creaser's research,

from the Registry of Deeds,

Henrietta Street, Dublin: I'll label them "Creaser's

Registry of Deeds

Precis of Memorials of Deeds relating to CREAN and

CRYAN of Co.s Sligo and

Roscommon found in a search of the NAME INDEXES.

[1] 23 December 1747

(Ref. 353 97910)

JOHN CREAN of the TOWN and COUNTY of SLIGO, merchant,

to THOMAS CASEY of the

same, merchant;

[JOHN CREAN] demised and farm let to THOMAS CASEY that

house or tenement

situate and lying in RATCLIFFE STREET, SLIGO, and then

in possession of the

said JOHN CREAN together with outhouses, backyard and

appurtenances except the

shop near CALEB BELL's house with a room and cellar

together with thirty feet

of ground adjacent to the said cellar which [....?] to

MRS FRANCES FAHY of

SLIGOE, to have [........?] the Passage of the said

Dwelling House to hold

unto the said THOMAS CASEY his heirs and assigns for

the term of 21 years from

the 25th March last at the yearly rent of 10 pounds

10s sterling ..... (usual

conditions for re-entry, distress etc. in case of

non-payment of rent.)

[2] 13th June 1767

(Ref. 266 56 167 738)

HENRY CREAN of STREAMSTOWN, CO. SLIGO, gent., for 264

pounds 8s sterling did

bargain, sell, etc. to JOHN LLYOD of CROGHAN, CO.

ROSCOMMON, Esq., all lands

of CARROWKEEL, BARONY TIRERAGH, CO. SLIGO for

remainder of 21 year term as

demised to HENRY CREAN by JAMES MCDONAGH of KNAPPAGH,

CO. SLIGO, gent., by

indenture dated 20 June 1764.

[3] 1794

(Ref. 263 313692)

Memo of indented Deed of Lease between LAURENCE CREAN

of BOYLE, gent., and

JOHN CURLEY of BRICKEEN, CO. SLIGO, farmer, of all

that part of DRUMDONEY not

occupied by PAT CONNELLAN or OWEN GAFFNEY, for term of

16 years, at rent of

10s per acre per annum.

[4] 28th March 1795

(Ref. 232 313318)

Memo of an Indenture and Deed of Lease between

LAURENCE CREAN of the Town of

BOYLE, CO. ROSCOMMON, gent., of the one part, and

MICHAEL CONLAN of

ARMAGHCARTY in CO. SLIGO, Farmer, of the other part,

of all that part of

DROMDONYBEGG now in the actual possession of the said

MICHAEL CONLAN,

containing about 30 acres, during the time, term and

space of 16 years from

1st May ensuing the date thereof in as full and ample

a manner as he holds the

same provided the [title?] of the said ROBERT CREAN in

said lands so long

subsists, yielding and paying yearly during said lease

the sum of 12s sterling

per acre for any acre therein contained on the days

and times specified in

said lease for payment of said rent to said LAURENCE

CREAN and is witnessed by

EDWARD HENRY of BOYLE, PATE HENDERSON and JOHN CONLAN

of BOYLE ..... LAURENCE

CREAN seal.Date: Tue, 12 Jan 1999 11:43:24 EST

[5] 4 December 1795

(Ref. 498 371 319251)

Deed of Assignment made by LAURENCE CREAN of the Town

of BOYLE, CO. ROSCOMMON,

merchant, to JOHN IRWIN of EMLAGH in the said Co.

Esq., whereby the said

LAURENCE CREAN in consideration of the sum of 70

pounds sterling to him paid

by the said JOHN IRWIN did assign and make over unto

the said JOHN IRWIN all

his, the said LAURENCE CREAN'S right, title, and

interest of in and to the

lands of ARDMOYLE with the appurtenances thereto

belonging and situate lying

and being in the BARONY of BOYLE, in the CO.

ROSCOMMON, for the residue and

remainder of a term of years yet to come and unexpired

which JOHN HELLY late

of KILLFREE in the CO. SLIGO Gent. had in the said

lands of ARDMOYLE and sold

by the SHERIFF of the CO. ROSCOMMON unto the said

LAURENCE CREAN, in which

said deed thee [there?] are other clauses and which

said deed and this memo is

witnessed by PHILIP LYNCH of CARRICK ON SHANNON

Innkeeper and by JAS. DIGNAM

of EMLAGH In CO. ROSCOMMON, servant.

LAURENCE CREAN sealed, signed and delivered in

presence of PHILIP LYNCH, JAS.

DIGNAM. The above named PHILIP LYNCH maketh oath that

he saw the above named

LAURENCE CREAN duly execute the Deed of Assignment

etc..

[6] 1810

(Ref. 632 488 434400)

Memo of Deed of Assignment by ROBERT CRYAN of BOYLE,

Dealer, to JNO. FREEMAN,

Brewer, of his interest in three leases, viz. lands of

KNOCKRUSH, DEERPARK,

and in the TOWN of BOYLE, for 140 pounds, which sum he

owed to FREEMAN.

[Mentions 'said MICHAEL CRYAN' .... similar to 1795

memo 'said ROBERT CREAN'.]

[7] 17 February 1817

(Ref. 309 489244)

Memo of indented Deed etc. between PAT MURRIN, farmer,

of BRIDOGUE BRIDGE, CO.

ROSCOMMON, and JANE MURRIN, his eldest daughter, of

the one part, and JOHN

CRYAN, merchant of BOYLE, in consideration of a

marriage shortly to be

solemnised between the above JOHN CRYAN and JANE

MURRIN ...... PAT MURRIN

agreed to pay JOHN CRYAN 300 pounds as a marriage

portion, but if JANE died

before the safe delivery of her first child, JOHN

CRYAN was to refund 150

pounds.

If JOHN CRYAN died before the birth of an heir, his

widow JANE was to receive

150 pounds back.

[8] 24th July 1833

(Ref. Vol. 14 No. 12)

Memo of Deed dated 24th July 1833 between JOHN CRYAN

of BOYLE CO. ROSCOMMON

Gent. of the first part, MARY ANNE CRYAN widow of

ROBERT CRYAN, late of BOYLE,

deceased, of the second part, and PETER CRYAN of BOYLE

Esq., of the third

part. Said ROBERT CRYAN had lately died intestate

ceased of freehold estate

and personal property leaving the said JOHN CRYAN his

eldest son, the said

MARY ANNE CRYAN his widow and four infant children by

her, and the said PETER

CRYAN his youngest son by a former wife ..... a sum of

180 pounds personal

property would remain as a residue after payment of

ROBERT CRYAN'S debts,

funeral expenses etc. to be divided amongst his next

of kin.

Freehold estate consisted of two houses in the Back

Lane in the Town of BOYLE,

also a dwelling house where he resided. Also land of

KNOCKARUSH, the DEERPARK

and LUGNAMUDDAGH in the Barony of Boyle. Said JOHN

CRYAN for a consideration

had granted etc. to PETER CRYAN in his actual

possession being etc. all that

and those the said house in the town wherein the said

ROBERT resided, also the

said lands of LUGNAMUDDAGH and the DEERPARK except for

two acres thereof with

the house and garden attached, late in the possession

of the said ROBERT CRYAN

and one THOMAS MCKINSIE, paying thereon the head rent

of 1 pound annually and

a proportionate share of taxes. Also the head rent of

the houses in the Back

Lane in BOYLE and the head rent and taxes fo the lands

of KNOCKARUSH which

said houses and land the said JOHN CRYAN reserved to

himself for his own use

and benefit, to hold said house in which ROBERT CRYAN

resided etc. to PETER

CRYAN his heirs etc. for remainder of term upon the

trust and uses contained

in the deed.

Witnessed by PATRICK MCDERMOTT of BOYLE, merchant.

[9] 30 June 1834

(Ref. Vol. 15 No. 297)

JAMES CRYAN a tenant of JAMES FLEMING of ABBEYVILLE,

CO. SLIGO, on land at

TRIENMACMURTAGH, Barony of COOLAVIN, CO. SLIGO.

DARBY BREHENY also a tenant.

[10] 27 April 1836

(Ref. Vol. 20 No. 218)

Between JOHN CRYAN of BOYLE, of the first part, and

MARY ANNE CRYAN of BOYLE

of the second, reciting that the Rt. Hon. Lord

Viscount Lorton did on the

first of October 1822 demise etc. to ROBERT CRYAN part

of the lands of

DEERPARK containing 11 acres 2 roods 30 perches

situate etc. in the parish and

Barony of BOYLE for the term of the natural life of

HENRY FRY, son to HENRY

FRY of FRYBROOK, Esq., or for 21 years, whichever was

the longer. ROBERT

CRYAN now dead, said JOHN CRYAN as eldest son and heir

entitled to 2 acres or

thereabouts of said lands as in the possession of

MICHAEL CONLAN, PAT BRENNAN,

and MULLANEY, said JOHN CRYAN for and in consideration

of the sum of 32 pounds

did grant etc. unto said MARY ANNE CRYAN etc. the said

2 acres of DEERPARK

with all rents and profits etc..

[11] 1859

(Ref. Vol. 33 No. 61)

Marriage Settlement between JAMES REILLY of BOYLE,

shopkeeper for the first

part, MARY ANN CRYAN, widow, and MARY ANN CRYAN,

spinster, (daughter), of the

second part, and PETER CRYAN M.D., a trustee, of the

third part;

100 pounds marriage portion etc. etc.

Witnessed by Catholic priest.

[12] July 1882

MICHAEL CRYAN to P.W. C., farmer of CARROWCRORY,

BARONY OF CORRAN, CO. SLIGO,

loan of 100 pounds for land improvement (Landed

Property Improvement Act).

[13] 21 May 1883

PATRICK CRYAN of ARDMOYLE, FRENCHPARK, CO. ROSCOMMON

Loan of 374 pounds for mortgage to purchase.

[14] 20 December 1884

MATHEW [sic] CRYAN tenant farmer of DERNASKEAGH,

BARONY OF CORRAN, CO. SLIGO,

loan of 50 pounds.

Witnesses: REV. PATRICK SCULLY, MATTHEW KILLORAN.

Executed: BALLYMOTE

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From: "Pat Cryans" <pat@pcryans.fsnet.co.uk> | Block Address | Add to Address Book

To: "Caoimhghin O Croidheain" <caoimhghin@yahoo.com>

Subject: Re: Cryan/Judge

Date: Mon, 2 Jul 2001 19:32:56 +0100

Hi KEVIN,

It,s me again my addressis

105 CONISTON AVENUE UPMINSTER ESSEX RM14 3XL ENGLAND.

This is the first connection CRYAN JUDGE THAT I HAVE COME ACCROSS.

Iknow there were PATRICK JUDGE,S IN BOYLE IN THE GRIFFITHS VALUATION.

Anything you may have would be appreciated.

We must be the most senior CRYAN researchers now.

Allt the best Kevin

Patrick Cryans

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Date: Tue, 3 Jul 2001 14:27:25 +0100 (BST)

From: Caoimhghin O Croidheain <caoimhghin@yahoo.com> | Block Address | Add to Address Book

Subject: crean/cryan

To: CRYAN-L@rootsweb.com

Do you notice in the Deeds how the Robert Crean

becomes Robert Cryan some years later(The ones that

mention Michael Conlon)

caoimhghin

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Date: Wed, 4 Jul 2001 12:31:39 +0100 (BST)

From: Caoimhghin O Croidheain <caoimhghin@yahoo.com> | Block Address | Add to Address Book

Subject: Valuation Lists Boyle 1858 - 1871 /Cryan

To: CRYAN-L@rootsweb.com

Notes I took a while ago. Patrick Cryans

[Cryan/Breheny/Judge] and Paul Mc Vey [Dr Peter Cryan]

take note

caoimhghin

Valuation Lists Boyle 1858 - 1871

3 Books

[ - =no entry]

Book 3 Year 1858

Page Name Lessor Address Map ref

5 Mary Cryan Johnston Bellespark 2c

16 Michael Cryan Lorton Deerpark 23 a and b

18 Michael Cryan Lorton Deerpark 39

39 Dr Peter Cryan J. Broumell Knockna shee Town of

Boyle Main St 9

57 Bartly Judge MaryAnn Cryan(lessor) Mocmoyne, Town

of Boyle The Green

68 Paul Cryan Davis Mulhall Mocmoyne Town of Boyle

Chapel Lane 60

100 Catherine Cryan Ed Cox Termon Town of Boyle Ross

Lane 9

Book 2 Year 1863?

5 Mary Cryan Johnston Bellespark 2

16 Michael Cryan Lorton Deerpark 23

19 Michael Cryan Lorton Deerpark 39

40 Dr Peter Cryan - Knocknashee, Town of Boyle Main St

71 Paul Cryan Davis Mulhall Mocmoyne, Town of Boyle

Chapel Lane 60

105 Catherine Cryan (New Lessee - Patrick Conlon 1863)

- Town of Boyle Ross Lane 9

106 Michael Cryan - Termon, Town of Boyle Ross Lane 20

Book 1 Year 1864?

5 Mary Cryan ( New Lessee - James Breheny 1866)

Johnston Bellespark 2

16 Michael Cryan - Deerpark 23

19 Michael Cryan - Deerpark 40

41 Dr Peter Cryan - - -

77 Michael Cryan - Mocmoyne Town of Boyle Mill Lane

(1870) 6

111 Michael Cryan Robertson Termon, Town of Boyle

Cootehall St 8

128 Mary Cryan Johnston Bellespark 2f

From: Fatarm@aol.com | Block Address | Add to Address Book

Date: Thu, 5 Jul 2001 00:21:50 EDT

Subject: [Cryan et al.] Administrative message

To: CRYAN-L@rootsweb.com

Congratulations to us! We've reached 100 subscribers! Now, nobody

move!

Seriously, we've grown quite well considering our small clans ... next

month

we'll have been online 3 years.

I've recently run through the administrative panels on rootsweb for our

and made a few slight adjustments. You will now see "Cryan et al." at

the

beginning of your emails for this list. The digest edition will be

released

when it collects a smaller amount of material (less kB), but as long as

there's something to be released, it will be issued once each day. If

any

digesters have something to input about the frequency, please email me

through the list or directly -- I will bow to pressure readily to

please the

majority (just one way in which being list administrator is like being

President).

I have added our taglines, those random and repeating messages to the

bottom

of our messages again. It's nice to be periodically reminded of our

fellows'

websites and locations. Please update me with additions, changes, etc.

Somehow our taglines disappeared and I've resurrected these from

storage.

Let me know if they bug you, too.

I am also currently trying to track our makeup: how many Cryans v.

Creans

v. Creaghans v. Croghans. I'll report back when I've figured out some

statistics on these rough groupings (I'm not going to breakdown within

each

surname group).

Finally, let me know what I can do to make this list work better,

smoother,

easier or faster for you. I'm here to be useful, hopefully!

Enjoying all the great emails lately, Leslie

Date: Thu, 5 Jul 2001 17:16:53 +0100 (BST)

From: Caoimhghin O Croidheain <caoimhghin@yahoo.com> | Block Address | Add to Address Book

Subject: [Cryan et al.] Wedding Foto

To: CRYAN-L@rootsweb.com

Had another piece of good luck last night when I found

my grandparents wedding foto in a 1930 Evening Herald.

I had looked in the Irish Times where there was the

usual formal announcement but it never ocurred to me

to check a popular paper until I noticed this guy next

to me looking up military fotos in the Herald. I

checked the day plus a few days after and on the

Saturday edition on the back page - where they used to

put all the fotos - there they were, him in his

captains uniform and her in 1920s style long dress

with loads of necklaces of beads!!!

I found an interesting case in teh Ros Herald 1896.

Damages for Seduction - John Cryan OF Culthacreighton

sued some guy fo seducings his daughter Catherine!!

Anyone know where this townland is?

Lauri and Karen are typing up articles at the moment.

I sent off for p/cs of about 30+ more. Iam not sure

when they will appear but should be soon.

I am off on holidays 7-22 July.

Caoimhghin

From: JudyBruce@aol.com | Block Address | Add to Address Book

Date: Thu, 5 Jul 2001 13:30:09 EDT

Subject: Re:(Cultha) Creighton

To: caoimhghin@yahoo.com

ireland

maybe this link will somehow determine the whereabouts of Culthacreighton.

Seems Creighton is yet another version of Cryan, Creghan et al. Maybe the

first part "cultha" means something in irish/gaelic???

Hope this is of some use. :)

Judy

From: "Pat Cryans" <pat@pcryans.fsnet.co.uk> | Block Address | Add to Address Book

To: "Caoimhghin O Croidheain" <caoimhghin@yahoo.com>

Subject: Re: Valuation Lists Boyle 1858 - 1871 /Cryan

Date: Fri, 6 Jul 2001 19:12:39 +0100

KEVIN. THANKS AGAIN I AM AT PRESENT WAITING FOR SOME INFO FROM THE

LAND

REGISTRY 1938/1943 REF JUDGE/BREHENY

PATRICK CRYANS

From: Voltene@aol.com | Block Address | Add to Address Book

Date: Fri, 6 Jul 2001 22:42:27 EDT

Subject: [Cryan et al.] Cryans in Lowell, MA

To: CRYAN-L@rootsweb.com

Hello,

This is for the new people on the list.

If anyone is researching Cryans in Lowell, MA, I have a listing of all

"Cryans" (surname) buried at St. Patrick's Cemetery in Lowell, MA.

I also have all the obituaries of these Cryans.

If anyone needs a lookup, please let me know.

I am researching the family of Martin and Margaret (Moloney) Cryan.

Karen Murphy

born and raised in Lowell, MA, currently in Nashua, NH

From: Fatarm@aol.com | Block Address | Add to Address Book

Date: Sun, 8 Jul 2001 14:02:39 EDT

Subject: Re: p.s.

To: caoimhghin@yahoo.com

CC: BillCroghan@aol.com

Yes, there are Croghans on the Cryan rootsweb mailing list. Not many,

and

some may have gone. We had a very active writer the first 6 months who

knew

a lot about the MacCroghan family, including intimate knowledge of a

family

owned island off the coast of (?) Kerry (I'm doing this from my poor

memory,

sorry to say). I'm not certain how many are presently active or just

'listening in' on the list .... Leslie

Date: Mon, 9 Jul 2001 07:44:41 -0700 (PDT)

From: Colin Crehan <colin_crehan@yahoo.com> | Block Address | Add to Address Book

Subject: [Cryan et al.] Re: Glasgow CRYANS

To: CRYAN-L@rootsweb.com

I have heard quite the opposite ... that the O'Creans

formed in Donegal, and a significant branch then

formed in Sligo.

Regarding the Cryans, as I'm sure the list-members

will attest, most are now in Sligo and Rosscomon (of

the 96 "Cryan" families in the Primary Valuation of

1848-64, 58 were in Sligo, and 31 were in Rosscommon:

http://scripts.ireland.com/ancestor/surname/index.cfm).

My branch of the family (Crehan) seems to have made it

to Co Caven at some point, and is now primarily

located in Eastern Galway (49 of 64 Irish families in

the Primary Valuation of 1848-64). Let me know what

your source was for the Sligo to Donegal movement.

There are Cranes in Ireland ... but it sounds as

though that was an American switch for your family (a

recent switch).

I take it you are going to keep "Crane" ... :-)

I would *love* to get ahold of more information that

shows which name variations live where and when in

Ireland. With enough information, I bet one could

trace the fragmentation of Ó Croidheáin over time.

Just in case you had not seen this: MacLysaght's

(1887-1986) history of our name:

In Irish Crean and Crehan are Ó Croidheáin (spelt Ó

Craidhen by the Four Masters) and Creegan or Cregan is

Ó Croidheagáin. These families formed a minor sept of

the Cineal Eoghan belonging to Donegal, with a branch

in the neighbouring county of Sligo. They are twice

mentioned by the Four Masters as wealthy merchants,

which is somewhat unusual in the Annals: in 1506 as of

Co. Donegal: in 1572 as of Sligo. The Clongowes

manuscript: "The State of Ireland in 1598" gives them

a higher status: the then head of the family was John

O'Crean of Ballynegare, and in another place in the

manuscript O'Crean of Annagh is stated to have been

one of the leading families of Co. Sligo in the

sixteenth century. According to the Annals of Loch Cé

the Bishop of Elphin in 1582 was an O'Crean, but he

was removed in 1584. Father Daniel O'Crean (d. c.

1616) of Holy Cross, Sligo, was Provincial of the

Dominican order in a period of intensive persecution.

The form Crehan is usual in Co. Galway; in Co. Mayo

these are called Crean, Grehan and even Graham.

Creegan alone of these variants can be said to belong

now to Co. Sligo. Crean is mostly found to-day in

south-west Munster, but families of the name in Kerry

and Cork are in most cases Creen, recte Curreen, i.e.

Ó Corraidhín. A further complication in regard to the

name Crean arises from the fact that Ó Corráin,

normally Curran in English, has become Crean in some

places. The arms illustrated in Plate VI are those of

O'Crean of Donegal and Sligo and do not belong to the

Creans of Munster.

Regards,

- Colin

--- William & Anita Crane <wcrane2@san.rr.com> wrote:

> Very good clarification on the Eugene-Owen

> relationship (probably none or

> just a local nickname for a certain person).

> My father was born "O'Crean" - baptismal certificate

> in Philadelphia, PA,

> of Irish immigrant parents (Donegal) in 1903.

> O'Crean was further

> anglicized to Crane and to my knowledge all the

> American descendents of this

> family use "Crane."

> However, I have seen other information showing that

> the sept Crean started

> in Sligo, then moved later to Donegal. Anything

> further on this???

> Best Regards,

> Bill Crane

> ----- Original Message -----

> From: "Colin Crehan" <colin_crehan@yahoo.com>

> To: <CRYAN-L@rootsweb.com>

> Sent: Monday, July 02, 2001 8:33 AM

> Subject: RE: Glasgow CRYANS

> >

> > Owen is an anglicization of Eoghan ... as in

> Eoghan,

> > King of Ailech and son of Niall of the Nine

> Hostages

> > (O'Neil). Eoghan died around 465 AD. Ailech was

> > renamed County Tyrone, whose name stems from "Tir

> > Eoghain" (Tribe of Owen).

> >

> > I have never heard the Eugene-Owen connection ...

> and

> > I believe Eugene is a Greek name. That's not to

> say

> > that there is not a Greek connection ... but there

> is

> > an ancient Irish connection to "Owen".

> >

> > BTW, the O'Creans are a branch of the ancient

> Crean

> > sept of the Cenel Eoghain in Donegal. The Cenel

> > Eoghain is the collective name for all of the

> septs

> > descended from Eoghan.

> >

> > Regards,

> > - Colin

> >

> > --- Harvey.Wohlwend@SEMATECH.Org wrote:

> > > More about the name OWEN.

> > >

> > > On a trip to Ireland earlier this month I

> learned

> > > that Owen is a "nickname" for

> > > Eugene.

> > >

> > > Best wishes.

> > > Harvey Wohlwend

> > > Ggrandson of Danial Cryan

> > >

> > > -----Original Message-----

> > > From: FamSpack [mailto: ]

> > > Sent: Tuesday, June 26, 2001 7:00 PM

> > > To: CRYAN-L@rootsweb.com

> > > Subject: Glasgow CRYANS

> > >

> > > This is part of what I sent to Pat Cryans in

> reply

> > > to a request. It may be

> > > of interest to Dave Oram....Hi and welcome to

> the

> > > list Dave.

> > >

> > > These are 3 brothers, I think, and they appear

> in

> > > various records with

> > > surnames of different

> > > spellings...CRYAN,CREAN,CREIGHAN,CRIAN etc

> > >

> > > I have not found an Owen CRYAN but there are

> several

> > > Patrick CRYAN

> > > candidates.However I have found an Owen CRYANS -

> but

> > > you may have these

> > > ******************

> > > 1881 census of GB

> > > Owen CRYANS 181 South Wellington St, Govan

> > > ,Lanarkshire - Foundry Labourer -

> > > age 40 born Ireland

> > > Anne CRYANs - wife - 30 - born Bathgate

> Linlithgow

> > > *** Patrick son - aged 5 - born Glasgow

> ***(see

> > > below)

> > > William son - aged 3 - born Glasgow

> > > Mary Anne daughter - aged 1 - born Glasgow

> > > *********************

> > > 1881 census of GB

> > > John CRYANS 227 South Wellington St, Govan,

> > > Lanarkshire - Labourer - aged

> > > 44 - born Sligo, Ireland

> > > Mary CRYANS - wife - aged 30 - born Glasgow

> > > Hannah daughter - aged 11 born Glasgow

> > > Mary daughter - aged 7 - born glasgow

> > > John son - aged 2 - born Glasgow

> > > Patrick son - aged 1mth - born Glasgow

> > > also in the same house

> > > Patrick CRYANS - visitor - labourer - aged 40 -

> born

> > > Sligo Ireland

> > > Ann CRYANS - wife - aged 28 - born Sligo Ireland

> > > Mary daughter - aged 9 - born Sligo Ireland

> > > Bridget - daughter - aged 7 - born Sligo Ireland

> > > Patrick - son - aged 3 born Sligo Ireland

> > > Annie - son ?? - aged 1 born Sligo Ireland

> (could

> > > the name be

> > > mistranscribed or "son" be just a mistake)

> > > ********************

> > > OBSERVATIONS

> > >

> > > Owen and Patrick - the same age twins or

> cousins or

> > > just born close

> > > together

> > > Is John the same family ?

> > > It looks as though Patrick went back to Ireland

> and

> > > married in 1871 and has

> > > returnd shortly before the census

> > > Could the names of Owen and Patrick's parents be

> > > Mary and Patrick as borth

> > > have these as the names of the first son and

> first

> > > daughter ?

> > >

> > > I believe Patrick, son of Owen CRYANS and

> > > Anne(above) ,married Mary Welsh

> > > Owen CRYANS died 24 November 1888.

> > >

> > > Pat Cryans will give a fuller explanation.

> > > Good Luck.....!

> > > Eve

> >

From: Fatarm@aol.com | Block Address | Add to Address Book

Date: Mon, 9 Jul 2001 22:29:15 EDT

Subject: [Cryan et al.] Crean message (forwarded)

To: CRYAN-L@rootsweb.com

Subj: {not a subscriber} cryan

Date: 7/8/01 8:14:54 PM Eastern Daylight Time

From: bethars@hotmail.com (Beth Arseneau)

To: cryan-l@rootsweb.com

Hello, FYO there is a catholic priest at Annascaul co. Kerry Ire. named

Fr.

Crean. I have no idea if this is helpful to you or not but it is worth

try. Good luck

Date: Wed, 11 Jul 2001 08:42:37 EDT

From: BillCroghan@aol.com | Block Address | Add to Address Book

Subject: Re: p.s.

To: <Fatarm@aol.com>

CC: <caoimhghin@yahoo.com>

Thank you! for the feedback.

Being relatively new to ancestoral/genealogical research, I find

available information can be exciting and a little exasperating. For

example, research books in the Library of Congress, in Washington, D.C., gives

the origin of the Croghan clan as County Kerry, Ireland - specifically,

a location named the Castle of Letter...

However, Internet sites indicate the origin of "Croghan" as Roscommon!

H-E-L-P :-)

Bill

From: "John Sheerin" <jsheerin@erols.com> | Block Address | Add to Address Book

Date: Wed, 11 Jul 2001 09:39:19 -0400

Subject: [Cryan et al.] Mary Cryan Information

To: CRYAN-L@rootsweb.com

Pat:

Re your message below.

Here's all the Mary/Maria Cryans I have.

From: Pat Cryans

To: John Sheerin

Sent: Wednesday, July 11, 2001 6:40 AM

Subject: Re: More Cryan Information

HI JOHN. WOULD YOU BEABLE TO SEND ME COPIES OF THE VARIOUS

MARY CRYAN,S BIRTH,S

REGARDS PATRICK CRYANS

Here's a copy from my file, let me know if it was helpful!!!

Take care and stay in touch,

Jake

Abbreviation Codes:

BAP = Baptized Date

E1887 = Estimated date to be 1887, around 5 years either direction

Hub. = husband

RC = Roman Catholic Church, followed by its city/town

(name) = maiden name, i.e., Maria (Carrel) Cryan = (Carrel) is Maiden

name

NAME YEAR BORN, WHERE

Maria (Carrel) Cryan, E1810, Boyle?, Hub Michael Cryan, E1810, Boyle?,

Maria (Murry) Cryan, E1816, Killucan?, Co. Roscommon, Hub Peter Cryan,

E1814, Killucan?, Co. Roscommon

Maria (Martin) Cryan, E1821, Boyle?, Co. Roscommon, Hub Patrick Cryan,

E1819, Boyle?, Co. RoscommonMary Cryan, E1822, lived in Co. Roscommon

with Hub. Patrick Mullaney?

Maria Cryan, Bap. 15 JUL 1828, RC Boyle, Co. Roscommon, Dad John Cryan,

E1808, Boyle?, Co. Roscommon

Mary (COYNE) Cryan, E1828, Cootehall area?, Co. Roscommon, Ireland,

Hub. Patrick Cryan, E1826, Coothall?, Married 31 AUG 1848 in Cootehall

area

Maria Cryan, Bap. 18 APR 1830, RC Boyle, Co. Roscommon, Dad Michael

Cryan, E1810, Boyle?, Co. Roscommon

Maria Cryan, Bap. 19 JUL 1830, RC Boyle, Dad Michael Cryan, E1810,

Boyle?,Mom Maria Carrel, E1810, Boyle?

Maria Cryan, Bap. 10 SEP 1830, RC Boyle, Dad Michael Cryan E1810,

Boyle?Mom Catherine Beirne, E1810?, Boyle?

Maria Cryan, Born 1829/30, widow of the late Michael Cryan, resided 161

Pleasant St. Lowell, MA, Died 31 JUL 1902, age 72. She was survived by

two sons, Edward, a well known newsdealer on Dutton Street; and Thomas,

painter; and one daughter, Mary A.

BELIEVE these two are the same!!!

Mary(Durr) Cryan, E1831, Boyle??? Hub. Michael Cryan, E1831,

Boyle???Maria Cryan, Bap. ?? MAR 1831, RC Boyle, Co. Roscommon, Dad Michael

Cryan, E1811, Boyle?, Mom Catherine Berne, E1811, Boyle?

Maria Cryan, Bap. 11 MAY 1833, RC Boyle, Co. Roscommon, Dad John Cryan,

E1813, Boyle?, Co. Roscommon

Maria Cryan, Bap. 23 OCT 1836, RC Killucan, Co. Roscommon, Dad Peter

Cryan, E1814, Killucan?, Co. Roscommon

Maria Cryan, Bap. 05 NOV 1837, RC Killucan, Co. Roscommon, Dad Michael

Cryan, E1815, Killucan?, Co. Roscommon

Maria Cryan, Bap. 02 SEP 1839, RC Boyle, Co. Roscommon. Dad John Cryan,

E1819, Boyle?, Co. Roscommon

Maria Cryan, Bap. 25 OCT 1841, RC Boyle, Co. Roscommon, Dad Patrick

Cryan, E1819, Boyle?, Co. Roscommon

Mary Cryan/Cryne, Bap. 26 March 1843, RC Boyle, Co. Roscommon, Dad

Michael Cryan, E1820, Boyle?

Mary Cryan (Farrell), E1844, Rusheen?, Ireland, Hub Edward Farrell,

E1844, Behy?, Ireland, Married 08 FEB 1864, where? in Ireland

Maria Cryan, Bap. 24 MAR 1846, RC Killucan, Co. Roscommon, Dad Patrick

Cryan, E1824, Killucan?, Co. Roscommon

Are these two the same family????

Maria Cryan, Bap. 22 JUN 1846, RC Killucan, Co. Roscommon,Dad Patrick

Cryan, E1824, Killucan?, Co. Roscommon

Mary(Foley) Cryan, E1848, Boyle area, Hub. James Cryan, E1845,

Temeleany Boyle

Mary Cryan/(Brennan), E1850, Boyle Area, Dad Michael Cryan, E1828,

Boyle area Hub. James Brennan, E1850, Boyle area

Believe these two are the same

Mary Anne Cryan, Bap. 30 OCT 1853, RC Boyle, Dad Michael Cryan, E1831,

Boyle?

Mary Cryan, Died 1889, Lowell MA

Mary E. Cryan, Died 1894, Lowell MA

Date: Fri, 13 Jul 2001 13:21:27 -0700 (PDT)

From: Colin Crehan <colin_crehan@yahoo.com> | Block Address | Add to Address Book

Subject: Re: [Cryan et al.] "Calling All CROGHAN's"

To: CRYAN-L@rootsweb.com

From MacLysaght:

Mac Crohan

(Mac Criomhthainn - a word for a fox)

The name is a branch of the O'Sullivans associated

with the Dingle penninsula and the Blasket islands.

The use of the O prefix with this name is erroneous.

(Kerry)

For Croghan and Croughan see Crowne

(Mac) Crowne, Croan

(Mac Conchruachain: hound of Croghan)

A Co. Rosscommon name formerly anglicized MacCroghan.

I hope that helps ...

Regards,

- Colin

--- BillCroghan@aol.com wrote:

> This message is a plea for anyone having knowledge

> of the origin of the CROGHAN surname to p-l-e-a-s-e

> come forward and share your insight with me/us.

> THANK YOU!

> Bill

Reply-to: "FamSpack" < >

From: "FamSpack" < > | Block Address | Add to Address Book

Date: Fri, 20 Jul 2001 08:59:20 +0100

Subject: [Cryan et al.] 1901 census

To: CRYAN-L@rootsweb.com

To all super Cryans(and variants)

South Sligo is gradually being added to the database on the 1901 census

http://www.leitrim-roscommon.com ,

Broher ,Carrowcrory etc were the first to be added if anyone is

interested.

There are about 30 households in each townland . Every household in a

townland can be veiwed together if just the townland name is entered in

the

search request. However if you just want the Cryans.(all were spelled

CRYAN)

or Henrys( some HENERY) or Duffys or Lavins just enter that. BUT do

not

forget to do the extra search by clearing everything and just putting

the

surname in the "others in household" field. You may get some surprises

for I

know that there are some step-children etc.around .

I have transcribed most of Toomour and Drumrat civil parishes and parts

Kilfree and Killaraght, Emlaghfad ,Aghanagh, Kilshalvey Kilcolman etc.

I aim

eventually, for it takes a long time ,to do all the Boyle registration

district -(if you look through the Ire Atlas townland database

accessible

through the Leitrim and Roscommon website), that this is more or less

equvalent to the Boyle PLU. Some parishes are only partly included eg

only

one townland for Drumcolumb is in the Boyle district the rest of the

parish

townlands come under Sligo PLU.

To date there are now 65 CRYAN families shown. There are some more to

come..

Happy searching Eve

From: Sean.Crean@sba.gov | Block Address | Add to Address Book

To: caoimhghin@yahoo.com

Subject: Abbey photo - Andrew & Eleanor

Date: Fri, 20 Jul 2001 08:48:53 -0400

This monument was erected within the Family Tomb (altar) in 1616 for Andrew O'Crean and his wife Eleanor French.

While quite deteriorated, you can still identify the following. On top of the shield is the family crest Demi-wolf with heart in paws. Also the two chalices (one on either side of the shield) have the initials AC on the left, and EC on the right. You cannot read the date from the photo, but below the shield it says 1616. Finally, if you study it VERY CAREFULLY, you can make out on the shield, the two shields of the O'Crean and French families. The French shield is the lower right under the /\. On the upper left you can make out the top two hearts of O'Crean. After you see these, you can identify the bottom heart.

Seán

Seán F. O'Crean

Office of Government Contracting

Northern New England

207-622-8379 ext 379

207-622-8277 fax

email: sean.crean@sba.gov

Date:

Tue, 24 Jul 2001 17:17:37 +0100 (BST)

From:

Caoimhghin O Croidheain <caoimhghin@yahoo.com> | Block Address | Add

to Address Book

Subject:

[Cryan et al.] Sligo Cryans from Ros /Leit site

To:

CRYAN-L@rootsweb.com

Sligo Cryans from Ros /Leit site

(no creans or crehans even though crean is a sligo

name)

order of appearance:

Townland

Parish

Barony

County

Description Head of household

Surname Head of household

Given Head of household

Occupation Other occupants

Tully Toomour Corran Sligo Household Cryan Michael(19)

farmer/not married Jane(22) sister/not

married-Elizabeth(17) sister-Daniel(15)

brother/scholar-Joseph(12) brother/scholar

Broher/Brougher Toomour Corran Sligo Household Cryan

Michael(43) Farmer/married Kate(44) wife-MaryAnne(7)

dtr./scholar

Broher/Brougher Toomour Corran Sligo Household Cryan

Patrick(65) farm labourer/widower Mary(12)

dtr./scholar

Broher/Brougher Toomour Corran Sligo Household Cryan

James(84) Farmer/married Agatha(67) wife-Andrew(36)

son/unmarried

Broher/Brougher Toomour Corran Sligo Household Cryan

John(24) Farmer/unmarried Bridget(21)

unmarried/sister/farmer