>
1948 olympics in
>
He was also a brother of the more famous musician
>
Junior (Martin) Crehan who
>
played fiddle.> There were ten kids in the pats family and he
>
himself had ten of which I am
>
the last.> >From his side of the family the ten are in a ripe
>
old age of eighty plus.> There are 3 remaining. One in Lahinch Co. Clare,
The
>
other two are in Long > Beach
>
He married Margeret Scanlon who came from the
>
kilrush Road not too far away > from Quilty in Co. Clare.> She died in
1968.
>
> Hope this helps with building the family tree!
>
Let me know what else is on it.> Best Regards> Niall> niall@crehans.com> Crehan Musical Instruments
Reply-to: "FamSpack"
< >
From: "FamSpack"
< > | Block Address | Add to Address Book
Subject: Re
Crehan
Date: Thu,
14 Jun 2001 01:31:28 +0100
To: CRYAN-L@rootsweb.com
Just a
few observations for Colin and Naill and other Crehans
1. There is a direct road from Co Cavan through
Granard, Ballymahon,
Athlone
to Ballinasloe, so it would be logical for there to movement
"across
the
route.
2. Looking at the Ireatlas of townlands there
are two Ballyvoneen
townlands
but no
Castle French
a) Ballyvoneen 59 acres...Co
civil
parish...Ballinasloe PLU
b) Ballyvoneen 211 acres Co Galway Kilconnell
barony..Killsolan civil
parish..Mountbellow
PLU
Take
your pick
At
this stage an Irish OS map Discovery series
would be helpful at
this
stage
However
if you now go to the family search website
http://www.familysearch.org and look at the catalogue using both the
townland
and the civil parish names ,With a bit of searching you will
find
the
film numbers of what information is available through the LDS.
I
would look first at the 1901 census ,for, with luck, there would
still
be
Crehans
living there at that date (I do not know your history) and it
would
be a
start.
If the
map can locate roughly where between Castle French and
Ballyvoneen
the
local RCchurch would be then you could look up the parish records.
But
the
name of the RC parish may well have a different name to that of the
civil
parish...I will leave you to do a bit of canny detective work.
3. You
may be interested that, using the 1901 census that is readily
available
on the Leitrim and Roscommon website I entered Crehan in the
surname
box with the result ...no Crehans
recorded .Then I cleared
everything
and entered Crehan in the "others in household" box and came
up
with
the followinf
Main
St/Elphin Bernard Crehan age 25 curate
born in co
living
in
the
household of the parish priest
You
may like to look yourself... nearly all Co Roscommon has been
transcribed
and other counties are being added..........
http://leitrim-roscommon.com
EVE
From: Fatarm@aol.com | Block
Address | Add to Address Book
Date: Thu, 14 Jun 2001 21:14:30 EDT
Subject: Learning about
To: CRYAN-L@rootsweb.com
PBS
(an American media group) has an interesting website including a
travel
program's
information about touring
with
the
traveller and other links. Let's just
say it's for any tourist,
including
the armchair tourist!
Here's
the site: <A
HREF="http://www.pbs.org/wnet/goingplaces2/ireland/">
Going
Places -
http://www.pbs.org/wnet/goingplaces2/ireland/
For
the more politically-interested, there's information about the
Frontline
special
"Behind the Mask - the IRA and Sinn Fein". It contains
interview
transcripts,
a chronology, op-ed type pieces, etc.
Here's
that site: <A
HREF="http://www.pbs.org/wgbh/pages/frontline/shows/ira/">frontline:
behind
the
mask - the ira & sinn fein</A>
or
http://www.pbs.org/wgbh/pages/frontline/shows/ira/
Date: Mon, 18 Jun 2001 13:45:52 -0700 (PDT)
From: Colin
Crehan <colin_crehan@yahoo.com> | Block Address | Add to Address Book
Subject: Re:
Re Crehan
To: CRYAN-L@rootsweb.com
Interesting
observation about the road, thanks! ...
especially
since my Crehan family settled just west of
Athlone
in
(Ballyvoneen
is in or next to
between
Ballygar and Ahascragh).
I
think Niall's Crehan branch went the other way
(East).
Cromwell
would have pushed folks out of Caven in the
1650's
(yes?) ... I wonder when this O'Brien push
would
have come (I imagine much earlier)
....
and why good sources like MacLysaght list Donegal
as the
source of O'Crean (O'Croidheain), with a
branch
(and Cryan in Rosscommon) ... but nothing about
Caven
(perhaps Caven is an intermediate stop ... but
when?)
Anyone
who has a good sense of the history, please let
me
know.
- Colin
From: "M
CRYAN" <MAGS@cryan1970.freeserve.co.uk> | Block Address | Add to Address Book
To: <caoimhghin@yahoo.com>
Subject: cryan
history
Date: Mon,
18 Jun 2001 23:24:09 +0100
Kevin,
I've
just seen your email about having a list of all cryan deaths since 1864 (and
other info besides!). Are there listings for any from Bohola in
Any
help would be much appreciated.
Margaret
Cryan
Date: Tue,
19 Jun 2001 00:30:03 -0400
From: Maureen
McCourt Nantista <mornan@optonline.net> | Block Address | Add to Address Book
Subject: ?4th
Genealogical Congress -
Reply-to: Maureen
McCourt Nantista <mornan@optonline.net>
To: CRYAN-L@rootsweb.com
Hello
Cryan Researchers,
Just
wondering if any of you will be attending the Irish Genealogical
Congress
this fall.
Thought
it would be nice if we got together while there to exchange
information,
and to simply put faces with names. We might, hopefully, even
get to
meet Caoimhghin.
If
you're going to be in
us
know and I'll keep a list. As the time gets closer we can decide on
a day,
place and time.Regards,Maureen McCourt Nantista(proud daughter of Eileen Cryan
:-)
Date: Wed,
20 Jun 2001 11:40:06 +0100 (BST)
From: Caoimhghin
O Croidheain <caoimhghin@yahoo.com> | Block Address | Add to Address Book
Subject: Break-through
To: CRYAN-L@rootsweb.com
Hi
I made
a major discovery during the week in the
National
LIbrary. I now know, after ten years of
research,
in which graveyard my Cryan ancestors are
buried.
The obituary of my greatgrandfather's sister,
which
follows, also names cousins [the Misses Lowe and
Eardley
and P. Eardley (cousins)] which could lead me
to
find out about the previous generation. Has anyone
come
across these names? Assuming they are first
cousins
their mother was either a Cryan or a Dolan. I
suppose
that could be confirmed by the 1901 Census
which
gives the mother's maiden name.
regards
caoimhghin
The
Roscoomon Herald articles are on their way. The
National
Library is very busy so I sent the references
to the
Roscommon Library and they will copy them from
the
microfilm (much cheaper too at 40p instead of 1
pound
per A3 sheet) I have ordered 21 articles to be
copied.
Anyone who is interested in helping retyping
them
for the Cryan-List please let me know. I will be
doing
up to possibly 1911..........
The
Roscommon Herald
March
22 1902 p.2
Obituary
Death
of Miss Mary J. Cryan
On
Thursday, 12 inst, there pased quietly away to her
reward
one of the most estimable and exemplary of
young
ladies, in the person of the above-named young
lady
at the premature age of 38 years despite
unremitting
medical efforts. She died surrounded by
her
sorrowing parents, sisters and relatives, and
fortified
by the Catholic Church. She was in failing
health
during the last six or eight months and her end
was
naturally accelerated by the death of her brother
only
two months since. Although there was very faint
hopes
of her recovery since this sad affliction still
the
mournfull newsof her death gave rise to general
and
widespread expressions of sincere sorrow and
regret.
She was for eighteen years engaged in the
teaching
profession, during which time she endeared
herself
to all by her genial and amiable manners. Her
tender
disposition as a teacher inspired confidence
and
affection in the little ones intrusted to her
charge,
for whom she was over-zealous in imparting
religious
and secular knowledge. She was a highly
respected
member of the Boyle Teachers Association,
always
prompt and generous in supporting any
appealmade
on behalf of those in distress. Her remains
were
interred in the family sepulchre of Eastersnow,
and
the long procession that followed her remains to
the
grave was ample proof of the respect and esteem in
which
the family is held. Wreaths were sent by the
following
- Mr and Mrs Cryan and family; the Misses
Forde;
the Misses Shiel, and Mr and Mrs T. Daly. The
chief
mourners were - Mr and Mrs Cryan (parents); the
Misses
Kate and Maggie A. Cryan (sisters); the Misses
Lowe
and Eardley and P. Eardley (cousins). [List of
people
at funeral follows end of article]
Date: Wed,
20 Jun 2001 12:52:34 +0100 (BST)
From: Caoimhghin
O Croidheain <caoimhghin@yahoo.com> | Block Address | Add to Address Book
Subject: Cryan/Judge
To: CRYAN-L@rootsweb.com
Hi
Who
was interested in the Cryan/Judge connection??
I saw
an ad in Roscommon Herald 1902 April 26 :
Lime
for Sale at Cryan's Kilns (Lately Judges)
I can
get a copy.
regards
caoimhghin
From: Karen
McElrath <k.mcelrath@qub.ac.uk> | Block Address | Add to Address Book
Reply-to: k.mcelrath@qub.ac.uk
To: Caoimhghin
O Croidheain <caoimhghin@yahoo.com>
CC: CRYAN-L@rootsweb.com
Subject: Re:
Cryan/Judge and typing
Date: Wed,
20 Jun 2001 13:08:09 +0100 (GMT Daylight Time)
On
Wed, 20 Jun 2001 12:52:34 +0100 (BST)
=?iso-8859-1?q?Caoimhghin=20O=20Croidheain?=
<caoimhghin@yahoo.com> wrote:
>
Hi
>
>
Who was interested in the Cryan/Judge connection??
> I
saw an ad in Roscommon Herald 1902 April 26 :
>
>
>
Lime for Sale at Cryan's Kilns (Lately Judges)
>
> I
can get a copy.
>
>
regards caoimhghin
pat
cryans was interested, i believe. he may
be off-line for a
bit -
not sure. as i recall, 'judge' was the
anglicised
version
of the name. i think the original was
something like
breheny.
and
yes, caoimhghin, i'd be happy to retype for you. karen
----------------------
Karen
McElrath
1-3
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School
of Sociology & Social Policy
Queen's
University, Belfast
BT7
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N.
Ireland
telephone: 028-90-273551
FAX: 028-90-273943
from the
USA: 011-44-28-90-273551
Date: Wed,
20 Jun 2001 05:17:47 -0700 (PDT)
From: Sean
Crean <sfcrean@yahoo.com> | Block Address | Add to Address Book
Subject: Re:
Break-through
To: Caoimhghin
O Croidheain <caoimhghin@yahoo.com>
Congratulations
Caoimhghin! It's great to hear when
someone
gets through another wall...
Sean
O'Crean
From: JudyBruce@aol.com | Block Address | Add to Address Book
Date: Wed,
20 Jun 2001 10:21:26 EDT
Subject: Re:
Typing request
To: caoimhghin@yahoo.com
Hi,
I am
on the Cryan list and follow the posts there...as of yet I have not made
a
breakthru or at least a positive trail but I keep getting snippets that fit
my
Cryan ancestry. I have plenty of time and would be more than happy to
participate
in helping you type the notes into the computer.
Judy
Bruce
3612
Kevin Drive
Norfolk,
VA 23518
From: JudyBruce@aol.com | Block Address | Add to Address Book
Date: Wed,
20 Jun 2001 12:03:28 EDT
Subject: Re:
My Cryans
To: caoimhghin@yahoo.com
Hello
again,
My
grandmother was Mary Honora Cryan born 1884 in Lowell.Ma.
Her
father was Michael John Cryan born 1855 in Co. Roscommon. I have been
told
the name of town was Ballynanulthagh. Which I think is near the border
of Co.
Sligo?
Her
mother was Ellen Margaret Meehan born in Co. Sligo circa 1865-69
Mary
Honora's siblings were:
Anne 1886
James 1888
Ella 1889
Michael
1892
Frances
1894
William
1895
All of
these children were born in Lowell.
From
the list and emails shared from the list it seems that Mary Honora's
grandfather
on the Cryan side was James Cryan born abt 1833 in Boyle, Co.
Roscommon...
his wife was supposed to have been Honoria Bierne/Byrne born abt
1839
in Roscommon and this couple had 8 children:
Michael
1855 and married a Meehan
Brigid/Bridget/Delia??
1856 died 1941
Anne
1857 died Ulster, married a Walsh/Welch
James
1859 married Ann Cryan (from Co. Sligo)
Martin
1861
Hanoria
1863
John
1865
Mary
"Jane" 1870
Mary
Honora's grandfather James (born 1833) was the (supposed) (from list)
son of
Michael Cryan -have no dates
James'
mother was (possibly) Bridget Fury - have no dates
James
and Bridget had 7? children
Anne
1816
Mary
1819
Winifred
1820
Bridget
1822
Margaret
1826
John
1830
James
1833
This
is why I keep reading the posts in hopes a few more clues will pop up
for
me, I do not usually post anything as I do not think I have anything to
add.....but
i am ALWAYS reading the messages. (grin)
Let me
know if you need my help with the typing.
Judy
Bruce
From: "Paul
Cryan" <p_cryan@hotmail.com> | Block Address | Add to Address Book
To: caoimhghin@yahoo.com
Subject: Family
research
Date: Wed,
20 Jun 2001 19:12:15 +0100
Kevin,
I was
going through the list of Cryan deaths on your website and was
wondering
what information you get on the death certificate and is it
possible
to order them. My great great grandfather died between 1901
and
1911
and I think I have narrowed his death down to 3/4 enteries.
Looking
forward to hearing from you.
Paul
Cryan
From: JudyBruce@aol.com | Block Address | Add to Address Book
Date: Thu,
21 Jun 2001 06:32:54 EDT
Subject: Re: Articles re: Cryans
To: caoimhghin@yahoo.com
Hi,
No I
did not see those articles...I will be on the lookout for them to appear
on
list. Thanks Judy [Roscommon Herald articles ]
From: "M
CRYAN" <MAGS@cryan1970.freeserve.co.uk> | Block Address | Add to Address Book
To: "Caoimhghin
O Croidheain" <caoimhghin@yahoo.com>
Subject: Re:
cryan history
Date: Fri,
22 Jun 2001 11:52:35 +0100
caoimhghin,
Your
site was brilliant .... I think I've found the some more info on
my
great
grandad and others on it!
Please
add me to the Cryan list - you never know I could find more info
besides!
Thanks
again,
Margaret
-----
Original Message -----
From:
"Caoimhghin O Croidheain" <caoimhghin@yahoo.com>
To:
"M CRYAN" <MAGS@cryan1970.freeserve.co.uk>
Sent:
Tuesday, June 19, 2001 10:17 AM
Subject:
Re: cryan history
>
Hi
>
The deaths list and all the emails from the Cryan-list
>
since it started in Jan 1998 are on my site
>
geocities.com/caoimhghin
>
see family history link
>
Are you on the list? it is free and I could get Leslie
>
(the moderator)to put you on if you like.
>
caoimhghin
>
>
--- M CRYAN <MAGS@cryan1970.freeserve.co.uk> wrote: >
>
Kevin,
>
>
>
> I've just seen your email about having a list of all
>
> cryan deaths since 1864 (and other info besides!).
>
> Are there listings for any from Bohola in County
>
> Mayo? They may mention the place name carrownagalda
>
> or carrogalda?
>
>
>
> Any help would be much appreciated.
>
> Margaret Cryan
>
>
> From: "dave
oram" <dao@blueyonder.co.uk> | Block Address | Add to Address Book
Subject: New
Member
Date: Sat,
23 Jun 2001 12:00:15 +0100
To: CRYAN-L@rootsweb.com
Hi
Listers
I am new to the list and trying
to search the Family of
my
wife.
Alexander
CRYANS b 1920 Bridgeton
Patrick
CRYANS m Mary WELSH in 1899 Glasgow.
Can
you help or have you any information.
T.I.A.
Dave
in Walsall.
Date: Sat,
23 Jun 2001 15:24:06 PDT
From: Karen
McElrath <K.McElrath@Queens-Belfast.AC.UK> | Block Address | Add to Address Book
Reply-to: K.McElrath@Queens-Belfast.AC.UK
Subject: Re:
New Member
To: CRYAN-L@rootsweb.com
On
Sat, 23 Jun 2001 12:00:15 +0100 dave oram wrote:
>
From: dave oram <dao@blueyonder.co.uk>
>
Date: Sat, 23 Jun 2001 12:00:15 +0100
>
Subject: New Member
>
To: CRYAN-L@rootsweb.com
>
>
Hi Listers
> I am new to the list and trying
to search the Family of
my
wife.
>
>
Alexander CRYANS b 1920 Bridgeton
>
>
Patrick CRYANS m Mary WELSH in 1899 Glasgow.
>
>
Can you help or have you any information.
>
>
T.I.A.
>
Dave in Walsall.
>
>
dave: have you talked to Patrick Cryans from
England? He has CRYANS
roots
from
glasgow. i suspect that it is the same
family. karen
From: Karen
McElrath <k.mcelrath@qub.ac.uk> | Block Address | Add to Address Book
Reply-to: k.mcelrath@qub.ac.uk
To: Caoimhghin
O Croidheain <caoimhghin@yahoo.com>
Subject: Re:
p.s.
Date: Mon,
25 Jun 2001 14:57:54 +0100 (GMT Daylight Time)
hiya: just received this email and i am hoping that
you might
be
able to respond to bill, a new lister.
in your abundant
spare
time of course!!!!!!!!! i am
clueless! many thanks,
karen
On
Mon, 25 Jun 2001 09:28:02
BillCroghan@aol.com wrote:
>
Hello! I'm new to genealogical research
too, so forgive the
fundamental
nature of my question: Is the name CRYAN
in the
same
ancestoral tree/history as the name CROGHAN?
> Bill
From: "M
CRYAN" <MAGS@cryan1970.freeserve.co.uk> | Block Address | Add to Address Book
Subject: Cryans
from Bohola, County Mayo
Date: Mon, 25 Jun 2001 23:16:47 +0100
To: CRYAN-L@rootsweb.com
Dear
all,
Does
anyone out there have any Cryan ancestors from Bohola, County
Mayo?
My great grandfather was from there (John Cryan born 1842?).
Any
info would be much appreciated.
Margaret
Reply-to: "FamSpack" < >
From: "FamSpack" <
> | Block Address | Add to Address Book
To: "Caoimhghin O Croidheain"
<caoimhghin@yahoo.com>
Subject: Re: Hi
Date: Tue, 26
Jun 2001 00:29:42 +0100
Hi,
I have
had a good look through the records. Eardley and Lowe /sometimes
spelled
Lough are uncommon names in the records. And anything that
turns
up
rather
depends on what one means by cousin. I would think that a
newspater
report
of a funeral would give perhaps first and second cousins as
cousins.
Anyway
here is what I could find that could be relevant...............I
have
looked
backwards ,forwards and inside out with many possibilities of
relationships.
Pat
Eardly b 15 Sept 1870 Balleenameen Co
Ros. Civil Registration
parents
Francis Eardly and Anne Cain (could
this have been
mistranscribed
or a
mistake in the registers?)
Is
this the Pat of the 1901 census? If so then there should be a
Kate/Catherine
and a James in the register index.(if I remember
correctly
when I
transcribed that entry for the 1901 census, there was nothing in
the
relationship
box so I thought that I could not presume but would put
"probably"....it
is over a year ago since I did the transcribing of
that
film)
James
CRYAN m Honor LOWE 5 April 1842 in Boyle RC
Michael
LOUGH m Brigid KAIN 4 Aug 1839 Roscommon and Kilteevan RC
Thomas
LOUGH/Lowe? c 30 Aug 1843 Roscommon and
Kiteevan RC
parents
Thomas LOUGH and Margaret DONLAN ( could this be mis
transcribed
?)
could
this be the father of this family ?
parents
Thomas Lowe and Brigid KELLY all born Killukin and Killumnod RC
Margaret
b 1 July 1866
John b
20 Sept 1868
AnnaMaria
b 19 july 1872
Thomas
b 3 Nov 1874
Brigid
b 23 july 1876
I am
sorry that this is not much. But I would think that it would be
quicker
and
more direct to invest in the birth certs of Pat or Kate or James
and if
it is
the same as the Pat above , the marriage cert of Francis and Anne
may
come
up with something useful. I understand that you can get
photocopies
of
the
entries over the counter at Joyce House (is that correct ?) Have
you
used
this facility before?
I
would think that the genealogical society research is expensive, and
having
used theri services once, found when looking at the records
myself
that
there was much more that they had not discovered
...........however
it
can be
useful for a key element if there is no other way.
Best
of luck with this Eve
From: Fatarm@aol.com | Block Address | Add to Address Book
Date: Tue,
26 Jun 2001 14:12:30 EDT
Subject: Re:
cryan history
To: caoimhghin@yahoo.com
She's
online and posting! Thanks for
forwarding me the interests ...
Sorry
I
haven't
replied to your other message yet, but I'll get to it soon.
Don't
have
the info handy and we've been on holiday.
Lots of sand
everywhere!
Life
will return to "normal" sometime around 7/7 I predict. Maybe.
Well,
probably
not. But I'll get stuff to you before
then. Take care,
Leslie
From: Fatarm@aol.com | Block Address | Add to Address Book
Date: Tue,
26 Jun 2001 14:14:34 EDT
Subject: Re:
Break-through
To: CRYAN-L@rootsweb.com
Congrats
on the breakthrough ... anyone else a new story to share?
Thanks
for
posting your success and expanding family circle/names. Every clue
helps...
Reply-to: "FamSpack"
< >
From: "FamSpack"
< > | Block Address | Add to Address Book
Subject: Glasgow
CRYANS
Date: Wed,
27 Jun 2001 01:00:15 +0100
To: CRYAN-L@rootsweb.com
This
is part of what I sent to Pat Cryans in reply to a request. It may
be
of
interest to Dave Oram....Hi and welcome to the list Dave.
These
are 3 brothers, I think, and they appear
in various records with
surnames
of different spellings...CRYAN,CREAN,CREIGHAN,CRIAN etc
I have
not found an Owen CRYAN but there are several Patrick CRYAN
candidates.However
I have found an Owen CRYANS - but you may have these
******************
1881
census of GB
Owen
CRYANS 181 South Wellington St, Govan ,Lanarkshire - Foundry
Labourer
-
age 40
born Ireland
Anne
CRYANs - wife - 30 - born Bathgate Linlithgow
*** Patrick son - aged 5 - born Glasgow ***(see below)
William
son - aged 3 - born Glasgow
Mary
Anne daughter - aged 1 - born Glasgow
*********************
1881
census of GB
John
CRYANS 227 South Wellington St, Govan, Lanarkshire - Labourer -
aged
44 -
born Sligo, Ireland
Mary
CRYANS - wife - aged 30 - born Glasgow
Hannah
daughter - aged 11 born Glasgow
Mary
daughter - aged 7 - born glasgow
John
son - aged 2 - born Glasgow
Patrick
son - aged 1mth - born Glasgow
also
in the same house
Patrick
CRYANS - visitor - labourer - aged 40 - born Sligo Ireland
Ann
CRYANS - wife - aged 28 - born Sligo Ireland
Mary
daughter - aged 9 - born Sligo Ireland
Bridget
- daughter - aged 7 - born Sligo Ireland
Patrick
- son - aged 3 born Sligo Ireland
Annie
- son ?? - aged 1 born Sligo Ireland
(could the name be
mistranscribed
or "son" be just a mistake)
********************
OBSERVATIONS
Owen
and Patrick - the same age twins or
cousins or just born close
together
Is
John the same family ?
It
looks as though Patrick went back to Ireland
and married in 1871
and
has
returnd
shortly before the census
Could
the names of Owen and Patrick's parents be Mary and Patrick as
borth
have
these as the names of the first son and first daughter ?
I
believe Patrick, son of Owen CRYANS and Anne(above) ,married Mary
Welsh
Owen
CRYANS died 24 November 1888.
Pat
Cryans will give a fuller explanation.
Good
Luck.....!
Eve
Date: Wed,
27 Jun 2001 15:12:57 +0100 (BST)
From: Caoimhghin
O Croidheain <caoimhghin@yahoo.com> | Block Address | Add to Address Book
Subject: BAPTISMS
-LIVERPOOL, 1856 - 1882
To: CRYAN-L@rootsweb.com
http://freepages.genealogy.rootsweb.com/~hibernia/aus/ausbpc.htm
BAPTISMS,
ST. AUSTIN'S RC CHURCH, GRASSENDALE,
GARSTON,
LIVERPOOL, 1856 - 1882
Transcribed
by Peter Doyle, Indexed by Patrick Neill
CRANE,
BERNARDUS 31 JUL 1870 07 AUG 1870 PATRICII &
MARIA
CREAN,
JOHN 08 JUN 1872 16 JUN 1872 PATRICII & MARIA
CREAN,
THOMAS 06 EDC 1873 14 DEC 1873 PATRICII & MARIA
CREEN,
MARIA 31 OCT 1875 05 NOV 1875 PATRITII
& MARIA
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From: "FamSpack"
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Subject: CRYAN/LAVIN
Bingo !
Date: Thu,
28 Jun 2001 17:08:39 +0100
To: CRYAN-L@rootsweb.com
Hi
Anne and Karen,
This
may be of interest to you.
Found
in the Keash RC parish records -(Keash RC=Drumrat RC and Toomour
RC)
10 May
1846 Baptism of Bridget LAVIN of Dernaskeagh
(slightly
different
spelling
in the PRs)
Parents
John LAVIN and Bridget CRYAN
Witness
Andrew DYER and Mary LAVIN
I can
not find any others that you mention but then the is incomplete
as
there
are several gaps. However one can now locate the townland from
which
your
family came. They may even come up on the 1901 census ,when I have
extracted
the data, as LAVINs still living in Dernaskeagh.
There
is however at least one other John LAVIN married to Catherine
RUANE
also
living in Dernaskeagh
I did
not find any relevant marriages.
Good
Luck Eve
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From: "FamSpack"
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To: "Caoimhghin
O Croidheain" <caoimhghin@yahoo.com>
Subject: Re:
Hi
Date: Fri,
29 Jun 2001 09:18:40 +0100
I
think that I would go further with this P Eardley and at least look
at as
many
records as I could find. There were so few Eardleys in Ireland in
my
list
that those registered nearby must be related. (The majority of
Eardleys
seem
to come from Staffordshire !!!)
It
said "cousins" in the funeral report and 2 or 3 of them went to the
funeral
as mourners so my guess is that it must be at least second
cousins.
The
marriage certificate of Francis may only give his father's name and
his
wife's
father's name so the birth certs of Francis and wife or similar
would
be
more useful but that would be before registration.
I do
not know what else Joyce House has to offer but one other
suggestion
would
be to look at wills where sometimes all sorts of relationships
are
mentioned.
Would you be able to look without buying a copy? Pat
Eardley,
Francis
Eardley and John Cryan could be a start.
Have
you also tried the 1901 census R-L site ? It could give clues. It
could
also
give a direction with the CAIN/CRIAN/CRYAN links....looking for
others
with
the same spelling etc.
I am
not sure what else is available in Dublin............ I will have
a
think
Good
luck Eve
From:
"Caoimhghin O Croidheain" <caoimhghin@yahoo.com>
To:
"FamSpack" < >
Sent:
Thursday, June 28, 2001 3:26 PM
Subject:
Re: Hi
Hi Eve
I went
to Joyce Houce and got out the cert for Pat
Eardley
and it definitely says CAIN (could this be a
version
of Keane like Kain below?) I wonder should I
have
got a sibling as the Pat cert would probably be
the
same as the one you got anyway [I have just
realised]
So should I get the marriage cert now if it
is
Cain?
Caoimhghin
From: Karen
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Reply-to: k.mcelrath@qub.ac.uk
To: Caoimhghin
O Croidheain <caoimhghin@yahoo.com>
Subject: Re:
received
Date: Fri,
29 Jun 2001 10:32:21 +0100 (GMT Daylight Time)
hiya
caoimhghin: i received the material
today. no, it is not
too
much. i will finish by the end of next
week and send a disk
copy,
hard copies (for you to check) and the original material
back
to you.
send
me your snail mail please. i have it
here somewhere but
cannot
locate it at present. hope you are
well! karen
----------------------
Dr.
Karen McElrath
1-3
College Park East
School
of Sociology & Social Policy
Queen's
University, Belfast
BT7
1NN
N.
Ireland
telephone: 028-90-273551
FAX: 028-90-273943
from
the USA: 011-44-28-90-273551
Date: Fri, 29 Jun 2001 08:36:49 -0400
From: Anne Duffy
<rid22576@ride.ri.net> | Block Address | Add to
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Reply-to: rid22576@ride.ri.net
Subject: Lavin/Cryan
To: CRYAN-L@rootsweb.com
Hi
Eve,
Thank
you so much for that gem. In the census in the US 1880 I have a
daughter
Delia born 1858.Mostly she uses the Delia but in one census
she
is
Bridget. Are these names interchangeable? Could the daughter you
found
have died and they renamed another one Bridget? I have at this
time
the film from the FHC for the RC records for Drumrat 1843-1881 -
lots
of Crayans and some Lavins but no
matches. I am also looking for
a
Patrick
Duffy- Bridget McDonough connection in the same area. My
question
is what film should I be ordering? I'm confused about the name
of the
area I should looking for at the FHC. Also does anyone know if
Gurteen
and Gorteen are the same place? and what area would have church
records
for that area?
TIA,
Anne
--
******
Anne Duffy
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From: ljstandak@webtv.net
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Date: Sat,
30 Jun 2001 16:38:32 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: RE:Owen
Cryan
To: CRYAN-L@rootsweb.com
I
haven` been watching that close, so I don`t know if this has been
listed
before. From the family history center I.G. index it lists Owen
Cryan
baptized 8 Jan. 1866 Gurteen distict, Sligo..
father John
Cryan.
.. Mother...
Margaret Hannon..
Lyle
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Subject: Re
Cryan - Bohola
Date: Sun,
1 Jul 2001 01:03:16 +0100
To: CRYAN-L@rootsweb.com
In my
early days of looking at Parish Records and not allowing enough
time
to
look thoroughly at a whole LDS film when there was more than one
parish
on a
film, I glanced through Bohola and remember very few entries for
CRYAN
but
sorry ,I did not note them down. There were some however.
If you
look at the LDS site http://www.familysearch.com
and look in
the
catalogue
you will find the film numbers of the parish registers which
you
can
borrow to read at the LDS.(for a fee
very much less than the air
fare)
Eve
From: "Pat Cryans" <pat@pcryans.fsnet.co.uk> | Block
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To: "Caoimhghin O Croidheain"
<caoimhghin@yahoo.com>
Subject: Re: Cryan/Judge
Date: Sun, 1 Jul 2001 17:54:31 +0100
Kevin,
it is my familyl that were Judge/Cryan,i would be most
greatfulif
you
could
send me a copy.
My
Cryan,swere in Sligo but as you know many wen,t back and forth over
the
border
REGARDS
PATRICK CRYANS
Date: Mon, 2 Jul 2001 06:33:27 -0700 (PDT)
From: Colin
Crehan <colin_crehan@yahoo.com> | Block Address | Add to Address Book
Subject: RE:
Glasgow CRYANS
To: CRYAN-L@rootsweb.com
Owen
is an anglicization of Eoghan ... as in Eoghan,
King
of Ailech and son of Niall of the Nine
Hostages
(O'Neil). Eoghan died around 465 AD. Ailech was
renamed
County Tyrone, whose name stems from "Tir
Eoghain"
(Tribe of Owen).
I have
never heard the Eugene-Owen connection ... and
I
believe Eugene is a Greek name. That's
not to say
that
there is not a Greek connection ... but there is
an
ancient Irish connection to "Owen".
BTW,
the O'Creans are a branch of the ancient Crean
sept
of the Cenel Eoghain in Donegal. The
Cenel
Eoghain
is the collective name for all of the septs
descended
from Eoghan.
Regards,-
Colin
From: "William
& Anita Crane" <wcrane2@san.rr.com> | Block Address | Add to Address Book
Subject: Re:
Glasgow CRYANS
Date: Mon, 2 Jul 2001 07:43:42 -0500
To: CRYAN-L@rootsweb.com
Very
good clarification on the Eugene-Owen relationship (probably none
or
just a
local nickname for a certain person).
My
father was born "O'Crean" - baptismal certificate in Philadelphia,
PA,
of
Irish immigrant parents (Donegal) in 1903.
O'Crean was further
anglicized
to Crane and to my knowledge all the American descendents of
this
family
use "Crane."
However,
I have seen other information showing that the sept Crean
started
in
Sligo, then moved later to Donegal.
Anything further on this???
Best
Regards,Bill Crane
Date: Mon, 2 Jul 2001 18:24:17 +0100 (BST)
From: Caoimhghin
O Croidheain <caoimhghin@yahoo.com> Subject: Fwd:
Deeds
Date: Thu, 17 Dec 1998 20:03:05 EST
From: <Fatarm@aol.com>
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Message-ID:
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Mary
Creaser's research,
from
the Registry of Deeds,
Henrietta
Street, Dublin: I'll label them "Creaser's
Registry
of Deeds
Precis
of Memorials of Deeds relating to CREAN and
CRYAN
of Co.s Sligo and
Roscommon
found in a search of the NAME INDEXES.
[1] 23
December 1747
(Ref.
353 97910)
JOHN
CREAN of the TOWN and COUNTY of SLIGO, merchant,
to
THOMAS CASEY of the
same,
merchant;
[JOHN
CREAN] demised and farm let to THOMAS CASEY that
house
or tenement
situate
and lying in RATCLIFFE STREET, SLIGO, and then
in
possession of the
said
JOHN CREAN together with outhouses, backyard and
appurtenances
except the
shop
near CALEB BELL's house with a room and cellar
together
with thirty feet
of
ground adjacent to the said cellar which [....?] to
MRS
FRANCES FAHY of
SLIGOE,
to have [........?] the Passage of the said
Dwelling
House to hold
unto
the said THOMAS CASEY his heirs and assigns for
the
term of 21 years from
the
25th March last at the yearly rent of 10 pounds
10s
sterling ..... (usual
conditions
for re-entry, distress etc. in case of
non-payment
of rent.)
[2]
13th June 1767
(Ref.
266 56 167 738)
HENRY
CREAN of STREAMSTOWN, CO. SLIGO, gent., for 264
pounds
8s sterling did
bargain,
sell, etc. to JOHN LLYOD of CROGHAN, CO.
ROSCOMMON,
Esq., all lands
of
CARROWKEEL, BARONY TIRERAGH, CO. SLIGO for
remainder
of 21 year term as
demised
to HENRY CREAN by JAMES MCDONAGH of KNAPPAGH,
CO.
SLIGO, gent., by
indenture
dated 20 June 1764.
[3]
1794
(Ref.
263 313692)
Memo
of indented Deed of Lease between LAURENCE CREAN
of
BOYLE, gent., and
JOHN
CURLEY of BRICKEEN, CO. SLIGO, farmer, of all
that
part of DRUMDONEY not
occupied
by PAT CONNELLAN or OWEN GAFFNEY, for term of
16
years, at rent of
10s
per acre per annum.
[4]
28th March 1795
(Ref.
232 313318)
Memo
of an Indenture and Deed of Lease between
LAURENCE
CREAN of the Town of
BOYLE,
CO. ROSCOMMON, gent., of the one part, and
MICHAEL
CONLAN of
ARMAGHCARTY
in CO. SLIGO, Farmer, of the other part,
of all
that part of
DROMDONYBEGG
now in the actual possession of the said
MICHAEL
CONLAN,
containing
about 30 acres, during the time, term and
space
of 16 years from
1st
May ensuing the date thereof in as full and ample
a
manner as he holds the
same
provided the [title?] of the said ROBERT CREAN in
said
lands so long
subsists,
yielding and paying yearly during said lease
the
sum of 12s sterling
per
acre for any acre therein contained on the days
and
times specified in
said
lease for payment of said rent to said LAURENCE
CREAN
and is witnessed by
EDWARD
HENRY of BOYLE, PATE HENDERSON and JOHN CONLAN
of
BOYLE ..... LAURENCE
CREAN
seal.Date: Tue, 12 Jan 1999 11:43:24 EST
[5] 4
December 1795
(Ref.
498 371 319251)
Deed
of Assignment made by LAURENCE CREAN of the Town
of
BOYLE, CO. ROSCOMMON,
merchant,
to JOHN IRWIN of EMLAGH in the said Co.
Esq.,
whereby the said
LAURENCE
CREAN in consideration of the sum of 70
pounds
sterling to him paid
by the
said JOHN IRWIN did assign and make over unto
the
said JOHN IRWIN all
his,
the said LAURENCE CREAN'S right, title, and
interest
of in and to the
lands
of ARDMOYLE with the appurtenances thereto
belonging
and situate lying
and
being in the BARONY of BOYLE, in the CO.
ROSCOMMON,
for the residue and
remainder
of a term of years yet to come and unexpired
which
JOHN HELLY late
of
KILLFREE in the CO. SLIGO Gent. had in the said
lands
of ARDMOYLE and sold
by the
SHERIFF of the CO. ROSCOMMON unto the said
LAURENCE
CREAN, in which
said
deed thee [there?] are other clauses and which
said
deed and this memo is
witnessed
by PHILIP LYNCH of CARRICK ON SHANNON
Innkeeper
and by JAS. DIGNAM
of
EMLAGH In CO. ROSCOMMON, servant.
LAURENCE
CREAN sealed, signed and delivered in
presence
of PHILIP LYNCH, JAS.
DIGNAM. The above named PHILIP LYNCH maketh oath that
he saw
the above named
LAURENCE
CREAN duly execute the Deed of Assignment
etc..
[6]
1810
(Ref.
632 488 434400)
Memo
of Deed of Assignment by ROBERT CRYAN of
BOYLE,
Dealer,
to JNO. FREEMAN,
Brewer,
of his interest in three leases, viz. lands of
KNOCKRUSH,
DEERPARK,
and in
the TOWN of BOYLE, for 140 pounds, which sum he
owed
to FREEMAN.
[Mentions
'said MICHAEL CRYAN' .... similar to 1795
memo
'said ROBERT CREAN'.]
[7] 17
February 1817
(Ref.
309 489244)
Memo
of indented Deed etc. between PAT MURRIN, farmer,
of
BRIDOGUE BRIDGE, CO.
ROSCOMMON,
and JANE MURRIN, his eldest daughter, of
the
one part, and JOHN
CRYAN,
merchant of BOYLE, in consideration of a
marriage
shortly to be
solemnised
between the above JOHN CRYAN and JANE
MURRIN
...... PAT MURRIN
agreed
to pay JOHN CRYAN 300 pounds as a marriage
portion,
but if JANE died
before
the safe delivery of her first child, JOHN
CRYAN
was to refund 150
pounds.
If
JOHN CRYAN died before the birth of an heir, his
widow
JANE was to receive
150
pounds back.
[8]
24th July 1833
(Ref.
Vol. 14 No. 12)
Memo
of Deed dated 24th July 1833 between JOHN CRYAN
of
BOYLE CO. ROSCOMMON
Gent.
of the first part, MARY ANNE CRYAN widow of
ROBERT
CRYAN, late of BOYLE,
deceased,
of the second part, and PETER CRYAN of BOYLE
Esq.,
of the third
part. Said ROBERT CRYAN had lately died intestate
ceased
of freehold estate
and
personal property leaving the said JOHN CRYAN his
eldest
son, the said
MARY
ANNE CRYAN his widow and four infant children by
her,
and the said PETER
CRYAN his
youngest son by a former wife ..... a sum of
180
pounds personal
property
would remain as a residue after payment of
ROBERT
CRYAN'S debts,
funeral
expenses etc. to be divided amongst his next
of
kin.
Freehold
estate consisted of two houses in the Back
Lane
in the Town of BOYLE,
also a
dwelling house where he resided. Also
land of
KNOCKARUSH,
the DEERPARK
and
LUGNAMUDDAGH in the Barony of Boyle.
Said JOHN
CRYAN
for a consideration
had
granted etc. to PETER CRYAN in his actual
possession
being etc. all that
and
those the said house in the town wherein the said
ROBERT
resided, also the
said
lands of LUGNAMUDDAGH and the DEERPARK except for
two
acres thereof with
the
house and garden attached, late in the possession
of the
said ROBERT CRYAN
and
one THOMAS MCKINSIE, paying thereon the head rent
of 1
pound annually and
a
proportionate share of taxes. Also the
head rent of
the
houses in the Back
Lane
in BOYLE and the head rent and taxes fo the lands
of
KNOCKARUSH which
said
houses and land the said JOHN CRYAN reserved to
himself
for his own use
and
benefit, to hold said house in which ROBERT CRYAN
resided
etc. to PETER
CRYAN
his heirs etc. for remainder of term upon the
trust
and uses contained
in the
deed.
Witnessed
by PATRICK MCDERMOTT of BOYLE, merchant.
[9] 30
June 1834
(Ref.
Vol. 15 No. 297)
JAMES
CRYAN a tenant of JAMES FLEMING of ABBEYVILLE,
CO.
SLIGO, on land at
TRIENMACMURTAGH,
Barony of COOLAVIN, CO. SLIGO.
DARBY
BREHENY also a tenant.
[10] 27 April 1836
(Ref.
Vol. 20 No. 218)
Between
JOHN CRYAN of BOYLE, of the first part, and
MARY
ANNE CRYAN of BOYLE
of the
second, reciting that the Rt. Hon. Lord
Viscount
Lorton did on the
first
of October 1822 demise etc. to ROBERT CRYAN part
of the
lands of
DEERPARK
containing 11 acres 2 roods 30 perches
situate
etc. in the parish and
Barony
of BOYLE for the term of the natural life of
HENRY
FRY, son to HENRY
FRY of
FRYBROOK, Esq., or for 21 years, whichever was
the
longer. ROBERT
CRYAN
now dead, said JOHN CRYAN as eldest son and heir
entitled
to 2 acres or
thereabouts
of said lands as in the possession of
MICHAEL CONLAN, PAT BRENNAN,
and
MULLANEY, said JOHN CRYAN for and in consideration
of the
sum of 32 pounds
did
grant etc. unto said MARY ANNE CRYAN etc. the said
2
acres of DEERPARK
with
all rents and profits etc..
[11] 1859
(Ref.
Vol. 33 No. 61)
Marriage
Settlement between JAMES REILLY of BOYLE,
shopkeeper
for the first
part,
MARY ANN CRYAN, widow, and MARY ANN CRYAN,
spinster,
(daughter), of the
second
part, and PETER CRYAN M.D., a trustee, of the
third part;
100 pounds marriage portion etc. etc.
Witnessed
by Catholic priest.
[12] July 1882
MICHAEL
CRYAN to P.W. C., farmer of CARROWCRORY,
BARONY
OF CORRAN, CO. SLIGO,
loan
of 100 pounds for land improvement (Landed
Property
Improvement Act).
[13] 21 May 1883
PATRICK
CRYAN of ARDMOYLE, FRENCHPARK, CO. ROSCOMMON
Loan
of 374 pounds for mortgage to purchase.
[14] 20 December 1884
MATHEW
[sic] CRYAN tenant farmer of DERNASKEAGH,
BARONY
OF CORRAN, CO. SLIGO,
loan
of 50 pounds.
Witnesses: REV. PATRICK SCULLY, MATTHEW KILLORAN.
Executed: BALLYMOTE
From: "Pat
Cryans" <pat@pcryans.fsnet.co.uk> | Block Address | Add to Address Book
To: "Caoimhghin
O Croidheain" <caoimhghin@yahoo.com>
Subject: Re:
Cryan/Judge
Date: Mon, 2 Jul 2001 19:32:56 +0100
Hi
KEVIN,
It,s
me again my addressis
105
CONISTON AVENUE UPMINSTER ESSEX RM14 3XL ENGLAND.
This
is the first connection CRYAN JUDGE THAT I HAVE COME ACCROSS.
Iknow
there were PATRICK JUDGE,S IN BOYLE IN THE GRIFFITHS VALUATION.
Anything
you may have would be appreciated.
We
must be the most senior CRYAN researchers now.
Allt
the best Kevin
Patrick
Cryans
From: JLedden49@aol.com | Block Address | Add to Address Book
Date: Mon, 2 Jul 2001 15:27:04 EDT
Subject: Re:
Lavin/Cryan
To: CRYAN-L@rootsweb.com
Anne
Duffy <rid22576@ride.ri.net> asked
<<
Mostly she uses the Delia but in one census she is Bridget. Are
these
names
interchangeable? >>
Yes. Delia was commonly used as a nickname for
Bridget.
Date: Mon,
2 Jul 2001 14:27:35 -0500 (CDT)
From: Kathleen
A Craine <K-Craine@neiu.edu> | Block Address | Add to Address Book
Subject: Re:
Eugene/Owen
To: CRYAN-L@rootsweb.com
The
Eugene/Owen name pattern is prominent in my CREAN/CRAINE family.
My
understanding
is that the original Irish name is Eoghain; that its
pronunciation
is somewhat like "Owen", and the Anglicized spelling of
Eoghain
is "Eugene." In my family tree
I have Eugenes named after
Owens,
and
vice-versa. Kathleen CraineChicago, IL