Kelly

James

Corlis

Kelly

Cloonbard

31-Mar-1984

Kelly

Michael

Feb-1862

Kelly

Marcella

25-Jul-1863

68

Kelly

Patrick

12-Mar-1866

73

Kelly

Thomas

Corlis

3-Feb-1960

85

Kelly

Mary

13-Apr-1970

75

Kelly

Mark

9-Jul-1978

3 Months

Kelly

Michael

1-Aug-1988

Lavin

Thomas

Lisalway

23-Nov-1939

Lavin

Sara

24-Sep-1940

Lavin

Patrick

18-Mar-1950

Oates

Thomas

11-Apr-1925

Oates

Catherine

21-May-1951

Rabbitte

Mary

Nee Cryan

 

From: tccrane@peoplepc.com | Block Address | Add to Address Book

To: caoimhghin@yahoo.com

Subject: Tremendous!

Date: Fri, 11 May 2001 17:53:27 -0700

Dear Caoimhghin,  Wonderful work on Ellis Island records.  I hope to explore them in great detail to see if they yield any results for me.  Thank you,  Tom Crane (USA)

 

From: jsheerin@erols.com | Block Address | Add to Address Book

Subject: Fw: Cryan family update

Date: Sat, 12 May 2001 15:17:25 -0400

To: cryan-l@rootsweb.com

Maureen:

 

Thanks for the update on "your" Mary Ann Cryan.

Sorry your Cryans and mine don't match up.

However, if you come across my Mary Ann Cryan,

please let me know. I still don't have any family

history on her.

Take care and stay in touch,

Jake

 

 

 

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Subject: Fw: 1933 Roscommon Herald, Michael Cryan

Date: Sat, 12 May 2001 15:31:58 -0400

To: cryan-l@rootsweb.com

 

Maureen:

If it's not too much of a problem, would you

kindly send me those Boyle Families.

Thanking you in advance for your efforts in this research.

Jake Sheerin

 

From: tccrane@peoplepc.com | Block Address | Add to Address Book

To: caoimhghin@yahoo.com

Subject: The Crehans

Date: Sat, 12 May 2001 19:17:59 -0700

Dear Caoimhghin,  You did right by me.  My family name was spelled Crehan with the alternative, Crean, when they were in Ireland.  It was not until they came to America that they used the spelling Crane.   Someday I will provide you with some background information in case you are interested.  In the meantime, if I understood correctly, you are situated in Dublin.  If that be the case and you should visit the National Library then you might be interested to know that I have a book on file there.  It is titled, "Green Is The Valley, Blue Are The Hills," and it tells the story of my search for my Irish and Pennsylvania Dutch (German) roots.  As yet, it is not published but it is copywritten and is also placed on file in the National Archives here in the States.  I wrote the book in 1986 and it is under my name, Thomas J. Crane.  If you get a chance, you may want to browse through it.  Best wishes,  Tom Crane

Date: Mon, 14 May 2001 14:18:47 -0700 (PDT)

From: colin_crehan@yahoo.com | Block Address | Add to Address Book

Subject: Re: ellisisland.org/crehan

To: cryan-l@rootsweb.com

An excellent list ... thank you! (I don't often get to

make one family connection, much less three).

 

My Father's Father's Brother:

41. John Crehan Ballinasloe, Ireland 1911 26

 

My Father's Father's Sister (who later returned):

54. Katie Crehan Ballinasloe, Ireland 1911 19

 

My Father's Mother's Brother's Wife's Sister ("Bina")

108. Sabina Crehan Ballinasloe, Co. Galway, Ireland

1924 21

 

I will have to investigate:

73. Mary Crehan Ballinasloe, Ireland 1913 32

(earlier generation, perhaps?)

If anyone has connections to these folks, be sure to

contact me.

Regards, - Colin Crehan

 

From: tccrane@peoplepc.com | Block Address | Add to Address Book

To: caoimhghin@yahoo.com

Subject: The Book

Date: Mon, 14 May 2001 17:38:59 -0700

Hello Caoimhghin,  I am happy that you are interested my book.  Once again, the title of the book is, "Green Is The Valley, Blue Are The Hills."  I chose the title from the green of Ireland and the Blue Mountains of Pennsylvania.  My father's family were Irish and my mother's family were Pennsylvania Dutch (German) from Pennsylvania.  The book is the "story" of my search for my ancestors.  Therefore, it is rather short on detailed family charts.  It speaks of the experiences I had while researching my roots.  That even includes a trip that I made to Ireland in 1983 courtesy of the Irish American Heritage Club of Washington, D.C.  The trip came as a result of an essay that I had written and submitted in a contest and I was declared one of the winners.  I was not part of a tour group, but rather had access to a rental car and chits for Bed and Breakfast wherever I traveled and I was free to establish my own itinerary.  Hence, I was able to spend about 5 days in your fair City of Dublin.  Now, back to the book.  It includes 17 poems that I wrote myself and which are used to lead off or introduce each chapter.  Each chapter tells of the experiences that I had in making a particular discovery which, at times, were rather uncanny.  In any case, I am unable to post it on the e-mail as I do not have the necessary scanning equipment nor do I possess the expertise.  Quite frankly, I have had my computer for little over a year and I was able to get it "on the cheap," or I would not have one.  That, plus the fact that I have pretty much had to learn to operate it on my own.  Age and income are a limiting factor.  I will soon be 68 years old and I am on pension which somewhat limits my options.  The book is on file in the National Library of Ireland under my name, Thomas J. Crane, with a copyright date of 1986.  I am sure that if you ask, they will look it up for you.  I might also mention that I am quoted in a commercially available book titled, "More Psychic Roots," by Henry Z. Jones, Jr.   The title of his book should pretty much give you some idea of what my own book is about.  In other words, as Mr. Jones states it, the interplay of "Serendipity and Intuition in Genealogy."   I look forward to hearing from you again soon.  God Bless,  Tom Crane (USA)

 

 

From: tccrane@peoplepc.com | Block Address | Add to Address Book
To: caoimhghin@yahoo.com
Subject: Crehan
Date: Wed, 16 May 2001 19:32:45 -0700
Hello Caoimhghin,  After thinking about it, I thought that I ought to let you know that I was one of the early correspondents with Leslie Poche'.  I don't know if you are interested, but my letters are posted under the 1998 listing and the filenames are 49 and 50.  I just thought that I would let you know in case you come across any Crehan information.  Best regards,  Tom Crane (USA)

 

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Reply-to: "MacDonald, Paul (OGO)" <Paul.MacDonald@compaq.com>

To: caoimhghin@yahoo.com

Subject:

Date: Thu, 17 May 2001 14:58:34 -0500

Hi,

 

I stumbled upon a web page you have with some transcipts of folks

talking about "Crehan" family history. On person who seems to post a

lot

of info relevant to me is someone that goes by "Theresa Mary."

 

Do you have an email address for her? My grandfather was Augustine F.

Crehan, a Boston police officer. I have a load of news clippings about

him and his brother John Crehan (a NYC cop who was Mayor Laguardia's

body guard for a time). Thanks.

 

Paul MacDonald

 

 

 

 

 

Reply-to: <PaulM-D@mediaone.net>

From: paulm-d@mediaone.net | Block Address | Add to Address Book

Subject: Crehan - Lowell

Date: Thu, 17 May 2001 20:36:58 -0400

To: cryan-l@rootsweb.com

Hi All,

 

I just discovered this mailing list and saw earlier messages from a

Theresa Mary who's grandfather (or great-grandfather) John Crehan was

the

brother of my grandfather Augustine Crehan,. Both were cops (John in

NYC and

Augustine in Boston. Augustine (Gus) had three daughters, Dorothy,

Mary, and

Catherine. I have a load of newspaper clippings online on John and Gus.

BTW,

John was Mayor Laguardia's bodyguard for a time and I have a b&w photo

of

the two shaking hands. And yes, these are the Lowell Crehans.

 

If anyone has a way of getting in touch with Theresa Mary, please

have her

contact me. Thanks.

 

Paul MacDonald

 

 

 

 

Reply-to: "FamSpack" < >

From:  | Block Address | Add to Address Book

Subject: Calling Patrick Hunt re 1901 census

Date: Mon, 21 May 2001 17:48:24 +0100

To: cryan-l@rootsweb.com

I am in process of transcribing the 1901 census for the lLeitrim and

Roscommon list and have progressed into Co Sligo.

I see from Patricks email of 10/9/2000 given below

------------------------------------------

...... In the last 20 years of the 19th Century a village schoolmaster

called

Thomas Cryan flourished in a townland called Townabrack, located

between

Monasteraden and Gurteen in South Co Sligo, close to the shore of Lough

Gara. So successful was Master Cryan at securing scholarships for his

pupils

that his little school became known as OThe College in the Bog∂. Even

children from distant parts took lodgings with local families so that

they

could drink at this extraordinary fountain of knowledge.

 

Thomas Cryan was born in the early 185Os and died in September 1904.

His

place of birth was probably Fauleens, a townland often incorporated

into

Shroove in various records. He married Mary Casey who came from a

townland

in Monasteraden.

 

They had four children that I know of: Amelia, William, Thomas and

Robert

(Bertie). I have heard that Bertie died young of TB. I traced William

and

Thomas to Clongowes Wood College in Co Kildare, where they were

outstanding

students in the 1890s. Thereafter the trail runs cold............(in

part)

 

----------------------------

In the 1901 census in the townland of Sroove, Kilcolman parish

,Coolavin

barony

number 71 has

 

Thomas Cryan (48) National School teacher Mary(45) wife National School

Teacher

Thomas (16) and Robert(12) and Catherine Casy National School

Teacher.....looks to be a family affair

 

LDS film number 0851584

 

I hope that this is helpful

Eve

 

 

 

From: voltene@aol.com | Block Address | Add to Address Book

Date: Tue, 22 May 2001 22:47:55 EDT

Subject: An Evening of Genealogy at the Lowell (MA) Library

To: cryan-l@rootsweb.com

Family History Buffs

      Use this time to get some intensive work done while the library

is

closed!

 

            There will be    "An Evening of Genealogy"    at the

      Pollard Memorial Library, 33 Middle St.,  Lowell, Mass. 

            Friday, June 1, 2001   5:30 -- 10:00  pm

 

      Along with being able to do your research when the library is

closed,

there

will be speakers   Walter V. Hickey, from the National Archives,

Waltham

and

Robert Johnson-Lally, Archivist, Archives of the Archdiocese of Boston.

 

    Also, be part of a Beginners' Roundtable   

   

      A light dinner will be served and refreshments will be available

throughout

the evening.

      Space is limited : Registration is recommended.  For registration

and

information, call the library at  978-970-4121

 

 

Karen Murphy

 

 

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To: caoimhghin@yahoo.com

Subject: Family research

Date: Wed, 23 May 2001 18:47:03 +0100

Kevin,

I hope you can open these files. If you have come across anyone

researching in the Derrygolagh area please let me know.

Regards,Paul

 

1901 CENSUS SLIGO

 

Name Relationship Religion Age Occupation Marital Status Speak

to householder

Patrick Cryan Father R.C. Read Only 75 Farmer Widower Eng + Irish

John Cryan Son R.C. R. & W. 35 Farmer Son Married Eng + Irish

James Cryan Son R.C. R. & W. 30 Farmer Son Not Married Eng + Irish

Ellener Cryan Daughter R.C. R. & W. 25 Farmer Daughter Married

English

only

 

 

No. of

Cow Hse Calf Hse Piggery Fowl Hse Shed Outhouses Rooms Windows Front

 

1 1 1 1 1 5 2 2

 

 

 

COUNTY SLIGO

CONSTABULARY DISTRICT BALLYMOTE

SUB DISTRICT KEASH

DISTRICT ELECTORAL DIVISION TEMPLEVANNY

------------------------------------------------------------------------

1911 CENSUS

 

Name Relationship Religion Age Occupation Marital Status Years

to householder Married

JOHN CRYAN HEAD R.C. R. & W. 53 FARMER MARRIED 10

ELLEN CRYAN WIFE R.C. R. & W. 38 FARMER MARRIED

PARK JOHN CRYAN SON R.C. R. & W. 10 SCHOLAR SINGLE

BEE AGNES CRYAN DAUGHTER R.C. R. & W. 9 SCHOLAR SINGLE

ELLEN CRYAN DAUGHTER R.C. R. & W. 8 SCHOLAR SINGLE

MICHAEL JAMES CRYAN SON R.C. CANNOT READ 7 - SINGLE

THOMAS CRYAN SON R.C. CANNOT READ 3 - SINGLE

MARY CRYAN DAUGHTER R.C. CANNOT READ 3 mths - SINGLE

PATRICK CRYAN FATHER R.C. CANNOT READ 78 - WIDOWER

PATRICK CRYAN BROTHER R.C. CANNOT R. & W. 39 SINGLE

 

 

COUNTY SLIGO

POOR LAW UNION BOYLE

DISTRICT ELECTORAL DIVISION TEMPLEVANNY

BARONY CORRAN

PARISH TOOMOUR

TOWNLAND DERRYGOLAGH

PARLIAMENTARY DIVISION SOUTH SLIGO

------------------------------------------------------------------------

 

No. & Names Rateable Annual Valuation Total

Annual

Letters Description of Tenements Area Valuation of

of Ref. Townlands + Occupiers Immediate Lessors Land

Buildings Rateable Prop.

to Map

DERRYGOLAGH

Ord.S.45 + 40 A. R. P. s d s d s d

 

1 a Patrick Dignan Viscount Lorton "Land, hse &

offices" 40 0 19 4 15 0 0 10 0 5 5 0

2 } } 7 2 0 0 10 0 }

3 } 4 a Matthew Cryan ~ ~ ~ } 25 2 5 7 0 0 }0 15 0 6 0 0

4 } b Timothy Duffy ~ Land &

hse } 19 1 5 3 0 0 }0 15 0 6 0 0

3 a Thomas Cryan ~ Garden 0 1 10 0 5 0 - 0 5 0

5 a John Scanlan ~ "Land, hse &

offices" 16 1 10 1 10 0 0 5 0 1 15 0

6 a James Dolan ~ Land &

hse 15 0 28 1 10 0 0 5 0 1 15 0

7 a} ~ { 54 0 26 8 0 0 0 15 0 }

8 } Patrick Horan ~ "Land, hse &

offices" { 1 0 30 0 5 0 - }10 5 0

9 } ~ { 2 3 30 1 5 0 - }

10 } ~ { Land 6 3 20 1 0 0 - }

11 a} **James Cryan (Strong)** ~ { "Land,

hse

& offices" 4 2 37 1 5 0 0 10 0 }2 15 0

12} { 19 2 20 5 5 0 }

}12 a Michael Madden ~ "Land, hse &

offices" { }0 10 0 3 10 0

} - b Thomas Cryan ~ ~ { }0 10 0 3 10 0

13} { 8 2 18 0 15 0 }

14 a John Henry ~ "Land, hse &

offices" 15 1 35 5 5 0 0 15 0 6 0 0

b James Henry John Henry House - - 0 5 0 0 5 0

 

No. & Names Rateable Annual Valuation Total

Annual

Letters Description of Tenements Area Valuation of

of Ref. Townlands + Occupiers Immediate Lessors Land

Buildings Rateable Prop.

to Map

DERRYGOLAGH

Ord.S.45 + 40 A. R. P. s d s d s d

 

{a Thomas Mulvany Viscount Lorton Land &

hse } { 2 10 0 0 5 0 2 15 0

{b Patrick Cryan (Gildea) ~ "Land, hse &

offices" } { 2 10 0 0 10 0 3 0 0

{c John Mulvany ~ Land & hse } { 2 10 0 0 5 0 2

15 0

15 {d James Cryan (Jack) ~ Land &

hse }78 1 38{ 2 5 0 0 7 0 2 12 0

{e Thomas McGowan ~ "Land, hse &

offices" } { 1 7 0 0 8 0 1 15 0

{f Thomas Jordan ~ Land &

hse } { 2 10 0 0 7 0 2 17 0

{g Luke McGowan ~ Land & hse } { 1 8 0 0 8 0 1

16 0

16 a Patrick Lydon ~ Land &

hse 26 0 18 2 15 0 0 10 0 3 5 0

17 a} ~ { Land & hse 16 2 4 2 10 0 0

10 0 }

18 } Patrick Cryan (Ruadh) ~

{ Land 15 2 4 2 0 0 - }5 0 0

19 } ~ { Land 3 2 22 1 5 0 - }

20 a } Jno McDonagh (Tailor) ~ { "Land,

hse &

offices" 96 0 35 4 10 0 0 15 0 }6 10 0

- Unoccupied ~ House - - 0 5 0 0 5 0

- c James Killoran John McDonagh House - - 0 5 0 0 5

0

21 a} Viscount Lorton { "Land, hse &

offices" 4 0 15 2 15 0 0 10 0 }

22 } Patrick Canden ~

{ Land 11 2 8 0 15 0 - }4 0 0

23 a John McDonagh ~ Land &

hse 24 2 10 1 10 0 0 5 0 1 15 0

24 a Martin Cryan ~ Land & hse 7 2 3 1 0 0 0 10 0 1

10 0

25 {a Bryan Breheny ~ "Land, hse & offices" }

{ 0 8 0 3 17 0

{b Bridget Breheny ~ "Land, hse &

offices" } 72 1 27 4 12 0{ 0 10 0 1 13 0

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

No. & Names Rateable Annual Valuation Total

Annual

Letters Description of Tenements Area Valuation of

of Ref. Townlands + Occupiers Immediate Lessors Land

Buildings Rateable Prop.

to Map

DERRYGOLAGH

Ord.S.45 + 40 A. R. P. s d s d s d

 

26 a Patrick Taheny Viscount

Lorton Land 17 1 20 1 10 0 - 1 10 0

27 a Patrick Henry ~ "Land, hse &

offices" 15 1 34 2 5 0 0 5 0 2 10 0

28 a John Sweeny ~ "Land, hse &

offices" 25 1 0 2 0 0 0 5 0 2 5 0

29 a Michael Conlan ~ Land &

hse 23 0 37 1 15 0 0 5 0 2 0 0

30 a Michael Breheny ~ Land &

hse 12 3 32 1 0 0 0 5 0 1 5 0

{a Phillip Forry ~ Land &

hse } { 2 0 0 0 10 0 2 10 0

{b John Forry ~ Land & hse } { 2 0 0 0 10 0 2

10 0

31 {c Thomas Keville ~ "Land, hse &

offices" } 91 0 18{ 4 0 0 0 15 0 4 15 0

{d Catherine Keville ~ Land &

hse } { 1 10 0 0 5 0 1 15 0

{e Patrick Forry ~ Land &

hse } { 1 10 0 0 5 0 1 15 0

{a Patrick Higgins ~ "Land, hse &

offices" } { 3 17 0 0 10 0 3 17 0

32 {b Peter Higgins Jun ~ Land &

hse } 99 2 27{ 0 13 0 0 5 0 0 18 0

{c John Clarke ~ "Land, hse &

offices" } { 2 0 0 0 10 0 2 10 0

{d Peter Higgins Sen ~ "Land, hse &

offices" } { 2 0 0 0 10 0 2 10 0

 

 

 

 

940 2 5 107 12 0 17 13 0 125 5 0

 

 

 

From: scovey@iwaynet.net | Block Address | Add to Address Book

To: caoimhghin@yahoo.com

Subject: Your site

Date: Thu, 24 May 2001 11:19:37 -0400

Hello:

Enjoyed reading your site and will be following your links into some additional reading.  Have just started my family research.  I have an arts/anthropology background. I am becoming "intrigued" with the effects of the need to maintain a culture you speak about on your site and what I'm observing as the loss of that culture on my family.  We have become homogenized to the point of bland.  Even though on one side I was raised with stories of "Uncle Michael working on the boat to get the family over in the potato famine" there was no "culture" associated with being Irish or Scot and my research has shown most of the tribe was here in the United States prior to 1800!  My family names were Crile (I've been told "Anglicized" from something else in Irish), Call (that was changed from Caul at some point) and McCullough )I haven't be able to confirm spellings because 2 generations back were still spelling it different themselves from birth - marriage and wedding certificates.)

 

I've started a dialogue with my cousins about why our great grandmother may have called Mammy instead of Grandmama.  Or why we all seem to love the sea and have ponds in our yards.  As the world gets smaller through internet sites like yours can open dialogues.  Thank you for your efforts.

 

 

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Subject: Extracts from Directories of Ireland 1846 and 1824

Date: Wed, 30 May 2001 11:01:46 +0100

To: cryan-l@rootsweb.com

I have extracted ALL the Cryan/Crean variants for the province of

Connaught

ie the counties of Sligo, Roscommon and Mayo.

I thought that you may be interested

------------------------------------------

Slater's Directory of Ireland 1846

 

Ballina Patrick Crean - Corn Merchant - Bridge St

Anthony Crean - Grocer - Bridge St

Anthony Crean - Ironmonger & Hardwareman - Bridge St

Anthony Crean - Leather Seller - Bridge St

Patrick Crean - Public House - Bridge St

Thomas Crean - Shopkeeper & Dealer in Sundries -

Bridge St

Boyle MaryAnne Cryan - Linen&Woollen Drapers - Church St

Peter Cryan - Physician - Main St

Claremorris Abby Crean Esq - gentry - Ballevilla

Francis Crean Esq JP - gentry - Prospect

Roscommon Mr Thomas Croughan - gentry - Main St

Sligo Patrick Crean - Academies & Schools(writing) - 12 John

St

Strokestown Hubert Croughan - Public House - Elphin St

 

-------------------------------------------

 

Pigot's Directory of Ireland 1824

 

Ballina Patrick Crean - Ironmonger - Bridge St

Ballymote Patrick Crean - Grocer& Linen draper

Boyle Peter Cryan MD - Surgeon- Main St

Robert Cryan - Publican - Green

Westport Lieut Crean - gentry - S Mayo militia

 

-----------------------------------------------

 

I hope you find this interesting not only for what it contains but also

foir

how little.

Eve

 

 

From: Karen McElrath <k.mcelrath@qub.ac.uk> | Block Address | Add to Address Book

Reply-to: k.mcelrath@qub.ac.uk

Subject: re: massachusetts 1910

Date: Fri, 1 Jun 2001 15:17:24 +0100 (GMT Daylight Time)

To: CRYAN-L@rootsweb.com

hello: a long shot i know but if anyone has good access to the

1910 massachusetts census, can you please look up CRYAN for the

towns of 1) Somerset, 2) Wareham, and 3) Swampscott/Lynn? i

would greatly appreciate this information and will gladly

reimburse for time. many, many thanks, karen (belfast, ireland)

 

 

 

Reply-to: <ariley@ltp.org>

From: "A. Riley" <ariley@smtp.ltp.org> | Block Address | Add to Address Book

Subject: CRYAN-L, SLIGO-L: Maps from Ordnance Survey Ireland

Date: Fri, 1 Jun 2001 12:02:57 -0500

To: CRYAN-L@rootsweb.com

Fellow researchers,

 

I recently ordered some maps from the Irish government's mapping

agency, and

they are wonderful. The Discovery Series map shows townland names,

roads,

rivers and streams, contour lines, and such things as ring forts and

megaliths, as well as the usual features of tourist maps. The agency

also

ran out for me an A4 sheet of the Victorian-era 6 inches-1 mile scale

OS map

of my ancestors' neighborhood -- fascinating! That shows roads,

streams,

footpaths, ring forts and such (with names! Giant's Grave -- cool!),

and

what looks like boundaries of farms. Alas, many features are unlabeled,

at

least on the little segment of map that I got, but they're mostly easy

to

figure out. I also got a big map of the whole island for reference.

 

(I don't have them with me, so I can't do lookups this week.)

 

All three maps added up to $45 American, including air-mail postage,

charged

to my credit card. I ordered by writing to the Map Sales Office,

Ordnance

Survey Ireland, Phoenix Park, Dublin 8, Ireland.

 

I had e-mailed the agency in advance to ask what maps would be useful,

and

one of their people responded with very helpful information, and

quickly,

too. And when I finally wrote away to order, the maps arrived without

delay.

 

See www.irlgov.ie/osi for more info.

 

A. Riley

ariley@ltp.org

Another proud descendant of Atty Crain

 

 

Date: Fri, 1 Jun 2001 11:57:57 -0700 (PDT)

From: Colin Crehan <colin_crehan@yahoo.com> | Block Address | Add to Address Book

Subject: Re: Extracts from Directories of Ireland 1846 and 1824

To: CRYAN-L@rootsweb.com

 

Very interesting ... thanks, Eve!

 

A few observations and questions:

 

* There do not appear to be any farmers listed. I

imagine farmers and miners did not get listed in these

directories. In fact, every profession sounds like a

town-dwelling job.

 

* I know that my Grandfather said that our family

migrated from Donegal, and from further east before

that (Tyrone?). I wonder if some of this migration

was still taking place in the mid-1800's (inside of

Ireland ... and not just to the USA).

 

* I'd be interested to see the "Crehan" listings,

since that is the time period that my tree comes to a

halt.

 

* I'm showing my ignorance ... but when did modern

(more-anglicized) Irish names come into being? Did it

stem from Cromwell's efforts? ... or when Ireland

joined the United Kingdom? ... or at some other time?

* Does anyone know the chronology of the name shift?

(i.e., does "Cryan" come directly from

"O'Croidheain", or is it an offshoot of "O'Crean" or

somesuch?

 

* How did you get ahold of these directories, and are

there similar directories for other counties? other

times?

 

Again ... very interesting. As always, any

information is appreciated.

 

Regards,

- Colin Crehan

 

--- FamSpack < > wrote:

> I have extracted ALL the Cryan/Crean variants for

> the province of Connaught

> ie the counties of Sligo, Roscommon and Mayo.

> I thought that you may be interested

> ------------------------------------------

> Slater's Directory of Ireland 1846

>

> Ballina

> Patrick Crean - Corn Merchant - Bridge St

> Anthony Crean - Grocer - Bridge St

> Anthony Crean - Ironmonger & Hardwareman - Bridge

St

> Anthony Crean - Leather Seller - Bridge St

> Patrick Crean - Public House - Bridge St

> Thomas Crean - Shopkeeper & Dealer in Sundries -

Bridge St

> 

> Boyle

> MaryAnne Cryan - Linen&Woollen Drapers - Church

St

> Peter Cryan - Physician - Main St

> 

> Claremorris

> Abby Crean Esq - gentry - Ballevilla

> Francis Crean Esq JP - gentry - Prospect

> 

> Roscommon

> Mr Thomas Croughan - gentry - Main St

> 

> Sligo

> Patrick Crean - Academies & Schools(writing) - 12

John St

> 

> Strokestown

> Hubert Croughan - Public House - ElphinSt

>

> -------------------------------------------

>

> Pigot's Directory of Ireland 1824

>

> Ballina

> Patrick Crean - Ironmonger - Bridge St

> 

> Ballymote

> Patrick Crean - Grocer& Linen draper

> 

> Boyle

> Peter Cryan MD - Surgeon- Main St

> Robert Cryan - Publican - Green

> 

> Westport

> Lieut Crean - gentry - S Mayo militia

>

> -----------------------------------------------

>

> I hope you find this interesting not only for what

> it contains but also foir

> how little.

> Eve

>

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Subject: Re 1824 and 1846 Directories and other things

Date: Sat, 2 Jun 2001 01:45:14 +0100

To: CRYAN-L@rootsweb.com

To answer some of Colin's queries and probably what other people are

thinking.

 

These Directories are are trade directories but with a great deal more

such

as times of coaches , time of post , times of church services...all

denominations, professional people, schools, etc. In some cases

particularly

large cities they list all those who work in the Customs and Excise

Office

and other such organisations. BUT the list is by province and by town.

Those

in the country are not mentioned.

 

These particular directories are published by the Society of

Genealogists in

London on microfiche, so you need access to a microfiche reader.

Information

on this can be got from those glossy family history magazines.

 

Slaters Directories, Pigots Directories, Kellys Directories (and there

are

others) were produced every couple of years like the Yellow Pages of

the

telephone directory,or the local town guide. for distribution locally.

Our

Local History Library has one or other for each year since about 1800

(I may

be wrong there) particular to our local town. The later ones for

Kelly's

have the name of the resident of each house - very useful...

Sadly these directories are not commonly available outside the local

area.

However you may be lucky. Some good geneological libraries may have a

selection. Otherwise it would seem to be an excuse to visit .

 

The Directories of Ireland that I gave the extracts from, do not have

this

kind of local detail but could well be a compilation of shortened

versions.

They have not all been filmed.

 

 

 

Migration/ movement around Ireland

I am sure that there has always been movement by families to look for

work,

education, wanderlust, excitement, dispossession etc In the 16 and

1700s

young men were sent to Belgium, France and elsewhere to be educated and

to

be trained as priests (see Liam Swords - Diocese of Achonry)

I have letters from family - not Cryans - who were born in Co Laois

about

1800 and so were working from 1815 or so onwards and they are

frequently

going back and forth to London and Dublin and even occasionally to the

USA

and Canada and back and they were not rich.

The Directories give some idea that even in 1824 there were regular and

often daily coaches between places often run as mail coaches. In the

1850s

the railway was built, so people moved further afield - even Gurteen

had a

station. Branch lines flourished and you can see the line of many now

defunct on the Irish OS Discovery maps.

 

Names - Having looked at many households on the original 1901 census

there

are a surprising number who still speak Irish at that time. However it

does

tend to be ,but not always, those aged over 40, Many say that they

cannot

write ,even if they can read but they do not specify Irish or English.

 

This then poses a problem in that someone else has to write documents

from

what is dictated and spells names as he hear them.Even for births and

marriages the clerk or priest just writes what he hears. So to a large

extent the spelling of a name depends on two things, the speaker's

accent ,

and the ears that hear the name spoken. Cryan is a ticky one and even

now we

still get many variations, but said with the many variations of the

Irish

accent/brogue.

 

As to which came first, I am inclined to believe that the sound of the

name

is common to all the variations of spelling.

Crean appears on the Sligo tomb in about 1560 or so - pre Cromwell, but

who

knows that may be just the simplified spelling - just as some folk that

I

knew who came from Poland named Szczap became Shap

However the earliest entries in the Boyle Parish register(incidentally

written in Latin) in the 1790s have Crine and Cryan even in the same

family

while the earliest Taunagh (Riverstown) registers have Cryan and Krine

and

others.

 

I think that there is a great deal to discuss and wonder whether

"Caoimhghin" our "Irish man" can give some further ideas.

 

Until again Eve

 

 

Date: Sun, 03 Jun 2001 19:04:48 -0400

From: Anne Duffy <rid22576@ride.ri.net> | Block Address | Add to Address Book

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Subject: Cryan/Lavin

To: CRYAN-L@rootsweb.com

Greetings to all, I'm new to the list and am trying to locate my Cryan

ancestors. My gggrandmother was Bridget Cryan(Crane in US). Bridget

Cryan m. John Lavin 1840-1850 in Ireland. Three children I know of

emigrated to E. Prov. RI and married there 1876-1880. Thomas m.

Margaret

Kielty, John m. Mary Duffy,

and Bridget/Delia m. Michael Foley. Mary Duffy was the daughter of

Patrick Duffy and Bridget McDonagh. Mathew Cryan son of Martin and

Norah

was possibly a cousin who came over with them. From what I can tell the

men came over first, worked and sent for the women and got married.

With

the help of Griffiths I found all the names in the Toomour area of

Sligo- Brougher, Carrowcrory, Derrygolagh and Dernaskeagh. I feel they

all come from this area, but I have no proof. I am currently searching

the Catholic church records for Drumrat with no success. I've read the

Cryan list archieves and realize others are interested in this area.

I'm

confused as to what parish would have the records. Any help or

suggestions would be greatly appreciated.

TIA

Anne

 

 

--

******

Anne Duffy

mailto:rid22576@ride.ri.net

 

 

 

Date: Sun, 3 Jun 2001 23:03:08 PDT

From: Karen McElrath <K.McElrath@Queens-Belfast.AC.UK> | Block Address | Add to Address Book

Reply-to: K.McElrath@Queens-Belfast.AC.UK

Subject: Re: Cryan/Lavin

To: CRYAN-L@rootsweb.com

 

Anne: My great grandfather was Martin Cryan. He was born in 1852, and

strong

evidence suggests that he was born in Brogher/Brougher townland. He

emigrated

to the US as a young child with two older siblings. Martin eventually

settled in PA -

north of Pittsburgh. His sister, Bridget Cryan, remained in

Massachusetts and

lived in the towns of Wareham and Somerset. She was born in Drumrat

circa 1846.

She married Patrick Feeney in Massachusetts (born in County

Roscommon).

Bridget Cryan and Patrick Feeney had several children, one of whom was

named

Thomas.

 

The third sibling who emigrated to the US was Patrick Cryan, born circa

1844-1847.

Like Bridget, Patrick remained largely in the towns of Wareham and

Somerset,

Massachusetts. Patrick married Catherine LAVIN in Manchester, New

Hampshire in

1864. I have the marriage certificate - which states that Catherine

LAVIN was born

in Ireland (no county given) and her parents were James and Alice

LAVIN.

Catherine LAVIN was born in 1839. Patrick Cryan's name appeared in the

census

and elsewhere from time to time as CRANE. My great grandfather Martin

Cryan,

was known later as CRAIN.

 

The parents of the three siblings were Patrick and Catherine Conlon

Cryan. We

have never found any evidence at all that they made it to the United

States.

 

Can you tell me how far East Providence, RI is from Somerset or

Wareham, MA?

 

Eve knows much more about parish records than I do, and my guess is

that she

will address your questions about these data. Karen

 

 

 

 

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Date: Mon, 04 Jun 2001 13:38:28 "GMT"

Subject: CCC 2001 August 11

Hi folks, Pat has e-d the plans for reunion 24 and I just cut and

pasted

them up for all to see. Feedback at the site is welcome. <S> Rosalie

 

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Date: Mon, 4 Jun 2001 22:04:33 EDT

Subject: Cryan/Crehan Forwarded message

To: CRYAN-L@rootsweb.com

Subj: {not a subscriber} another crehan

Date: 6/2/01 10:50:14 AM Eastern Daylight Time

From: ncrehan@eircom.net (niall crehan)

To: CRYAN-L@rootsweb.com

 

Hi Guys,

 

Niall Crehan here from Kilcock. County Kildare Ireland.

Son of Pat Crehan who was a pilot with The Irish Aer Corps who hailed

from a

place called Bonavella in Milltown Malbay

County Clare.Also winner of a bronze medal in the 1948 olympics in

London.

He was also a brother of the more famous musician Junior (Martin)

Crehan who

played fiddle.

There were ten kids in the pats family and he himself had ten of which

I am

the last.

>From his side of the family the ten are in a ripe old age of eighty

plus.

There are 3 remaining. One in Lahinch Co. Clare, The other two are in

Long

Beach California and Chicago.

Martin senior or my Grandfather was known as the master and was also

from

around Milltown Malbay.

He married Margeret Scanlon who came from the kilrush Road not too far

away from Quilty in Co. Clare.

She died in 1968.

Hope this helps with building the family tree!Let me know what else is on it.

Best RegardsNiallniall@crehans.comCrehan Musical Instruments

 

 

Date: Sat, 9 Jun 2001 20:15:26 +0100 (BST)

From: Caoimhghin O Croidheain <caoimhghin@yahoo.com> | Block Address | Add to Address Book

Subject: Roscommon Herald 1890

To: CRYAN-L@rootsweb.com

Roscommon Herald 1890

 

Jan 11

COS J Cryan

Builder

 

Boyle BINL

James Cryan

John Cryan

Donations

 

Feb 8

BINL

Full page of names

 

Drumlion BINL

John Cryan

Patrick Cryan

Luke Cryan

 

Apr 19

COS union

John Cryan

Builder

 

May 10 1890

Keash Gaels J. Cryan

 

May 17 1890 p2

Land commissioners in Boyle

Chairman Mr M. T. Crean

 

May 24 1890

Carrick on Shannon Union

John Cryan 20 granted for labourers cottages

 

June 14 1890

NLB Boyle

Pat Cryan

 

July 5 1890 p2

Death of Master Luke Cryan

Carrowreagh age 23 Father John Cryan Esq PLG

 

July 12 1890 p5

Croghan INL

Tenants Defence Ass.

Contributors Pat Cryan Knockroe

(reads like census of area)

 

Aug 23 1890 p4

Presentment Sessions

John Cryan Carrareagh Barony of Boyle

Cesspayors

 

Sep 27 1890

Drumlion Branch Tully Testimonial Fund

Donors

John Cryan 5s

Peter Cryan 2s

 

Oct 25 1890 p4

Bazaar in Carrick on Shannon

Wed Night Concert "Freaks and Follies"

R. J. Cryan plays one of the characters

 

Nov 29 1890 p1 6th col

"The old Balinultha feud was revived at the Boyle

Petty Sessions on Wed. The Rorkes and the Cryans

fighting with varying luck in cases and cross-cases."

P2

Boyle Petty Sessions court case

(Verbatim report about bullock going into cabbage

patch and ensuing fight)

Star players Honoria Cryan, James Cryan and John Cryan

 

(with supporting cast from Rorke family).

***** (A Classic)

P5 Politics in Carrick

R. J. Cryan complaining about shopkeepers refusing to

join National Movement

 

Dec 13 1890 p3

Politics in Carrick

R. J. Cryan involved in forming new Branch of National

League

 

Dec 20 1890 p2

Keash Emmets v. Ballinafad Gaels (Co Sligo)

Mr Michael Cryan placed field at their disposal. (a

Cryan also one to the players)

 

 

 

Date: Sat, 9 Jun 2001 15:43:42 PDT

From: Karen McElrath <K.McElrath@Queens-Belfast.AC.UK> | Block Address | Add to Address Book

Reply-to: K.McElrath@Queens-Belfast.AC.UK

Subject: new book

To: CRYAN-L@rootsweb.com

listers: a new book (second edition) on county roscommon. karen

 

God Save All Here: Memories of Life in County Roscommon during the 20th

Century 2nd edition by Paul Healy

(Paperback; 9.99 IEP / 13.50 USD / 8.50 UK / 12.70 EURO; Paul Healy;

206

pages, with b/w photos)

 

This book is a fascinating insight into the local history of Roscommon

during a century and its people features interviews with men and women

from

all walks of life. They talk openly about life, death, happiness and

hardship - and more. Subjects include: The ass and cart, living

conditions

in thatched houses, schooldays, the house station, wakes and funerals,

the

old fairs, emigration, killing the pig, the rambling houses, dances and

carnivals, the American wakes and much more. This book captures the

essence

of 100 years in County Roscommon.

 

 

 

Date: Sun, 10 Jun 2001 11:54:48 -0700 (PDT)

From: Colin Crehan <colin_crehan@yahoo.com> | Block Address | Add to Address Book

Subject: Re: Cryan/Crehan Forwarded message

To: CRYAN-L@rootsweb.com

 

Niall had mentioned that he presumed: "we all came

from the Cavan direction when the O Briens decided to

pick on us and we had to leg it as quick as possible

to get away from them."

 

I confirmed with my father that Co Caven was where my

grandfather had said our Crehan family branch

originally came (and not Co Tyrone, as I had

mistakenly remembered).

 

Does anyone on the list know of or have any historical

information to back this up? (when and where and why)

I would be interested in reading more about this.

 

____

 

Also, has anyone had experience with looking for farm

records. I know that my Grandfather owned a 26 acre

farm (in 5 parcels in Ballyvoneen and Castle French)

... but I'm sure that the family (especially his

father and grandfather) were just tennants of the

French family until Irish land reform vested his

rights.

 

In any case, should I hold out any hope that there

would be a paper trail (especially a government one)

that documents farm tennants ... or would that have

been soley at the discretion of the French family?

 

Regards,

- Colin Crehan

 

--- Fatarm@aol.com wrote:

> Subj: {not a subscriber} another crehan

> Date: 6/2/01 10:50:14 AM Eastern Daylight Time

> From: ncrehan@eircom.net (niall crehan)

> To: CRYAN-L@rootsweb.com

>

> Hi Guys,

>

> Niall Crehan here from Kilcock. County Kildare

> Ireland.

> Son of Pat Crehan who was a pilot with The Irish Aer

> Corps who hailed from a

> place called Bonavella in Milltown Malbay

       County Clare.Also winner of a bronze medal in the