Kelly
James
Corlis
Kelly
Cloonbard
31-Mar-1984
Kelly
Michael
Feb-1862
Kelly
Marcella
25-Jul-1863
68
Kelly
Patrick
12-Mar-1866
73
Kelly
Thomas
Corlis
3-Feb-1960
85
Kelly
Mary
13-Apr-1970
75
Kelly
Mark
9-Jul-1978
3 Months
Kelly
Michael
1-Aug-1988
Lavin
Thomas
Lisalway
23-Nov-1939
Lavin
Sara
24-Sep-1940
Lavin
Patrick
18-Mar-1950
Oates
Thomas
11-Apr-1925
Oates
Catherine
21-May-1951
Rabbitte
Mary
Nee Cryan
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To: caoimhghin@yahoo.com
Subject: Tremendous!
Date: Fri,
11 May 2001 17:53:27 -0700
Dear
Caoimhghin, Wonderful work on
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Subject: Fw:
Cryan family update
Date: Sat,
12 May 2001 15:17:25 -0400
To: cryan-l@rootsweb.com
Maureen:
Thanks
for the update on "your" Mary Ann Cryan.
Sorry
your Cryans and mine don't match up.
However,
if you come across my Mary Ann Cryan,
please
let me know. I still don't have any family
history
on her.
Take
care and stay in touch,
Jake
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Subject: Fw:
1933 Roscommon Herald, Michael Cryan
Date: Sat,
12 May 2001 15:31:58 -0400
To: cryan-l@rootsweb.com
Maureen:
If
it's not too much of a problem, would you
kindly
send me those Boyle Families.
Thanking
you in advance for your efforts in this research.
Jake
Sheerin
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To: caoimhghin@yahoo.com
Subject: The
Crehans
Date: Sat,
12 May 2001 19:17:59 -0700
Dear
Caoimhghin, You did right by me. My family name was spelled Crehan
with the alternative, Crean, when they were in Ireland. It was not until
they came to America that they used the spelling Crane. Someday I
will provide you with some background information in case you are
interested. In the meantime, if I understood correctly, you are situated
in Dublin. If that be the case and you should visit the National Library
then you might be interested to know that I have a book on file there. It
is titled, "Green Is The Valley, Blue Are The Hills," and it tells
the story of my search for my Irish and Pennsylvania Dutch (German)
roots. As yet, it is not published but it is copywritten and is also
placed on file in the National Archives here in the States. I wrote the
book in 1986 and it is under my name, Thomas J. Crane. If you get a
chance, you may want to browse through it. Best wishes, Tom Crane
Date: Mon,
14 May 2001 14:18:47 -0700 (PDT)
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Subject: Re:
ellisisland.org/crehan
To: cryan-l@rootsweb.com
An
excellent list ... thank you! (I don't often get to
make
one family connection, much less three).
My
Father's Father's Brother:
41.
John Crehan Ballinasloe, Ireland 1911
26
My
Father's Father's Sister (who later returned):
54.
Katie Crehan Ballinasloe, Ireland 1911
19
My
Father's Mother's Brother's Wife's Sister ("Bina")
108.
Sabina Crehan Ballinasloe, Co. Galway,
Ireland
1924
21
I will
have to investigate:
73.
Mary Crehan Ballinasloe, Ireland 1913
32
(earlier
generation, perhaps?)
If
anyone has connections to these folks, be sure to
contact
me.
Regards,
- Colin Crehan
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To: caoimhghin@yahoo.com
Subject: The
Book
Date: Mon,
14 May 2001 17:38:59 -0700
Hello
Caoimhghin, I am happy that you are interested my book. Once
again, the title of the book is, "Green Is The Valley, Blue Are The
Hills." I chose the title from the green of Ireland and the Blue
Mountains of Pennsylvania. My father's family were Irish and my mother's
family were Pennsylvania Dutch (German) from Pennsylvania. The book is the
"story" of my search for my ancestors. Therefore, it is rather
short on detailed family charts. It speaks of the experiences I had while
researching my roots. That even includes a trip that I made to Ireland in
1983 courtesy of the Irish American Heritage Club of Washington, D.C. The
trip came as a result of an essay that I had written and submitted in a contest
and I was declared one of the winners. I was not part of a tour group,
but rather had access to a rental car and chits for Bed and Breakfast wherever
I traveled and I was free to establish my own itinerary. Hence, I was
able to spend about 5 days in your fair City of Dublin. Now, back to
the book. It includes 17 poems that I wrote myself and which are used to
lead off or introduce each chapter. Each chapter tells of the experiences
that I had in making a particular discovery which, at times, were rather
uncanny. In any case, I am unable to post it on the e-mail as I do not
have the necessary scanning equipment nor do I possess the expertise.
Quite frankly, I have had my computer for little over a year and I was able to
get it "on the cheap," or I would not have one. That, plus
the fact that I have pretty much had to learn to operate it on my own.
Age and income are a limiting factor. I will soon be 68 years old and I
am on pension which somewhat limits my options. The book is on file in
the National Library of Ireland under my name, Thomas J. Crane, with a
copyright date of 1986. I am sure that if you ask, they will look it up
for you. I might also mention that I am quoted in a commercially
available book titled, "More Psychic Roots," by Henry Z. Jones,
Jr. The title of his book should pretty much give you some idea of
what my own book is about. In other words, as Mr. Jones states it, the
interplay of "Serendipity and Intuition in
Genealogy." I look forward to hearing from you again
soon. God Bless, Tom Crane (USA)
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To: caoimhghin@yahoo.com
Subject: Crehan
Date: Wed, 16 May 2001
19:32:45 -0700
Hello Caoimhghin, After thinking about it, I thought that I ought to let
you know that I was one of the early correspondents with Leslie Poche'. I
don't know if you are interested, but my letters are posted under the 1998 listing
and the filenames are 49 and 50. I just thought that I would let you know
in case you come across any Crehan information. Best regards, Tom
Crane (USA)
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Reply-to: "MacDonald, Paul
(OGO)" <Paul.MacDonald@compaq.com>
To: caoimhghin@yahoo.com
Subject:
Date: Thu, 17 May 2001 14:58:34 -0500
Hi,
I stumbled upon a web page you have with some
transcipts of folks
talking
about "Crehan" family history. On person who seems to post a
lot
of
info relevant to me is someone that goes by "Theresa Mary."
Do you have an email address for her? My
grandfather was Augustine F.
Crehan,
a Boston police officer. I have a load of news clippings about
him
and his brother John Crehan (a NYC cop who was Mayor Laguardia's
body
guard for a time). Thanks.
Paul
MacDonald
Reply-to: <PaulM-D@mediaone.net>
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Subject: Crehan
- Lowell
Date: Thu,
17 May 2001 20:36:58 -0400
To: cryan-l@rootsweb.com
Hi
All,
I just discovered this mailing list and saw
earlier messages from a
Theresa
Mary who's grandfather (or great-grandfather) John Crehan was
the
brother
of my grandfather Augustine Crehan,. Both were cops (John in
NYC
and
Augustine
in Boston. Augustine (Gus) had three daughters, Dorothy,
Mary,
and
Catherine.
I have a load of newspaper clippings online on John and Gus.
BTW,
John
was Mayor Laguardia's bodyguard for a time and I have a b&w photo
of
the
two shaking hands. And yes, these are the Lowell Crehans.
If anyone has a way of getting in touch with
Theresa Mary, please
have
her
contact
me. Thanks.
Paul
MacDonald
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Subject: Calling
Patrick Hunt re 1901 census
Date: Mon,
21 May 2001 17:48:24 +0100
To: cryan-l@rootsweb.com
I am
in process of transcribing the 1901 census for the lLeitrim and
Roscommon
list and have progressed into Co Sligo.
I see
from Patricks email of 10/9/2000 given below
------------------------------------------
......
In the last 20 years of the 19th Century a village schoolmaster
called
Thomas
Cryan flourished in a townland called Townabrack, located
between
Monasteraden
and Gurteen in South Co Sligo, close to the shore of Lough
Gara.
So successful was Master Cryan at securing scholarships for his
pupils
that
his little school became known as OThe College in the Bog∂. Even
children
from distant parts took lodgings with local families so that
they
could
drink at this extraordinary fountain of knowledge.
Thomas Cryan was born in the early 185Os and
died in September 1904.
His
place
of birth was probably Fauleens, a townland often incorporated
into
Shroove
in various records. He married Mary
Casey who came from a
townland
in
Monasteraden.
They had four children that I know of:
Amelia, William, Thomas and
Robert
(Bertie).
I have heard that Bertie died young of TB. I traced William
and
Thomas
to Clongowes Wood College in Co Kildare, where they were
outstanding
students
in the 1890s. Thereafter the trail runs cold............(in
part)
----------------------------
In the
1901 census in the townland of Sroove, Kilcolman parish
,Coolavin
barony
number
71 has
Thomas
Cryan (48) National School teacher Mary(45) wife National School
Teacher
Thomas
(16) and Robert(12) and Catherine Casy National School
Teacher.....looks
to be a family affair
LDS
film number 0851584
I hope
that this is helpful
Eve
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Date: Tue,
22 May 2001 22:47:55 EDT
Subject: An
Evening of Genealogy at the Lowell (MA) Library
To: cryan-l@rootsweb.com
Family
History Buffs
Use
this time to get some intensive work done while the library
is
closed!
There
will be "An Evening of Genealogy"
at the
Pollard
Memorial Library, 33 Middle St., Lowell, Mass.
Friday,
June 1, 2001 5:30 -- 10:00 pm
Along
with being able to do your research when the library is
closed,
there
will
be speakers Walter V. Hickey, from the National Archives,
Waltham
and
Robert
Johnson-Lally, Archivist, Archives of the Archdiocese of Boston.
Also,
be part of a Beginners' Roundtable
A
light dinner will be served and refreshments will be available
throughout
the
evening.
Space
is limited : Registration is recommended. For registration
and
information,
call the library at 978-970-4121
Karen
Murphy
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To: caoimhghin@yahoo.com
Subject: Family research
Date: Wed, 23 May 2001 18:47:03 +0100
Kevin,
I hope
you can open these files. If you have come across anyone
researching
in the Derrygolagh area please let me know.
Regards,Paul
1901 CENSUS SLIGO
Name Relationship Religion Age Occupation Marital Status Speak
to
householder
Patrick Cryan Father R.C. Read
Only 75 Farmer Widower Eng + Irish
John Cryan Son R.C. R.
& W. 35 Farmer Son Married Eng + Irish
James Cryan Son R.C. R.
& W. 30 Farmer Son Not
Married Eng + Irish
Ellener Cryan Daughter R.C. R. & W. 25 Farmer Daughter Married
English
only
No.
of
Cow Hse Calf Hse Piggery Fowl Hse Shed Outhouses Rooms Windows Front
1 1 1 1 1 5 2 2
COUNTY SLIGO
CONSTABULARY DISTRICT BALLYMOTE
SUB DISTRICT KEASH
DISTRICT ELECTORAL DIVISION TEMPLEVANNY
------------------------------------------------------------------------
1911 CENSUS
Name Relationship Religion Age Occupation Marital Status Years
to
householder Married
JOHN CRYAN HEAD R.C. R.
& W. 53 FARMER MARRIED 10
ELLEN CRYAN WIFE R.C. R.
& W. 38 FARMER MARRIED
PARK JOHN CRYAN SON R.C. R.
& W. 10 SCHOLAR SINGLE
BEE AGNES CRYAN DAUGHTER R.C. R.
& W. 9 SCHOLAR SINGLE
ELLEN CRYAN DAUGHTER R.C. R.
& W. 8 SCHOLAR SINGLE
MICHAEL JAMES CRYAN SON R.C. CANNOT
READ 7 - SINGLE
THOMAS CRYAN SON R.C. CANNOT
READ 3 - SINGLE
MARY CRYAN DAUGHTER R.C. CANNOT
READ 3 mths - SINGLE
PATRICK CRYAN FATHER R.C. CANNOT READ 78 - WIDOWER
PATRICK CRYAN BROTHER R.C. CANNOT R. & W. 39 SINGLE
COUNTY SLIGO
POOR LAW UNION BOYLE
DISTRICT ELECTORAL DIVISION TEMPLEVANNY
BARONY CORRAN
PARISH TOOMOUR
TOWNLAND DERRYGOLAGH
PARLIAMENTARY DIVISION SOUTH
SLIGO
------------------------------------------------------------------------
No.
& Names Rateable
Annual Valuation Total
Annual
Letters Description
of Tenements Area Valuation
of
of
Ref. Townlands + Occupiers Immediate Lessors Land
Buildings Rateable
Prop.
to Map
DERRYGOLAGH
Ord.S.45 + 40 A. R. P. £ s d £ s d £ s d
1
a Patrick Dignan Viscount Lorton "Land, hse &
offices" 40 0 19 4 15 0 0 10 0 5 5 0
2 }
} 7 2 0 0 10 0 }
3 } 4
a Matthew Cryan ~ ~ ~ } 25 2 5 7 0 0 }0 15 0 6 0 0
4 }
b Timothy Duffy ~ Land
&
hse } 19 1 5 3 0 0 }0 15 0 6 0 0
3
a Thomas Cryan ~ Garden 0 1 10 0 5 0 - 0 5 0
5
a John Scanlan ~ "Land,
hse &
offices" 16 1 10 1 10 0 0 5 0 1 15 0
6
a James
Dolan ~ Land
&
hse 15 0 28 1 10 0 0 5 0 1 15 0
7
a} ~ { 54 0 26 8 0 0 0 15 0 }
8
} Patrick Horan ~ "Land,
hse &
offices" { 1 0 30 0 5 0 - }10 5 0
9
} ~ { 2 3 30 1 5 0 - }
10 } ~ { Land 6 3 20 1 0 0 - }
11 a} **James
Cryan (Strong)** ~ { "Land,
hse
&
offices" 4 2 37 1 5 0 0 10 0 }2 15 0
12} { 19 2 20 5 5 0 }
}12
a Michael Madden ~ "Land, hse &
offices" { }0 10 0 3 10 0
} -
b Thomas Cryan ~ ~ { }0 10 0 3 10 0
13} { 8 2 18 0 15 0 }
14 a John
Henry ~ "Land,
hse &
offices" 15 1 35 5 5 0 0 15 0 6 0 0
b James
Henry John Henry House - - 0 5 0 0 5 0
No.
& Names Rateable
Annual Valuation Total
Annual
Letters Description
of Tenements Area Valuation
of
of
Ref. Townlands + Occupiers Immediate Lessors Land
Buildings Rateable
Prop.
to Map
DERRYGOLAGH
Ord.S.45 + 40 A. R. P. £ s d £ s d £ s d
{a Thomas
Mulvany Viscount
Lorton Land &
hse } { 2 10 0 0 5 0 2 15 0
{b Patrick
Cryan (Gildea) ~ "Land,
hse &
offices" } { 2 10 0 0 10 0 3 0 0
{c John
Mulvany ~ Land
& hse } { 2 10 0 0 5 0 2
15 0
15 {d James
Cryan (Jack) ~ Land
&
hse }78 1 38{ 2 5 0 0 7 0 2 12 0
{e Thomas
McGowan ~ "Land,
hse &
offices" } { 1 7 0 0 8 0 1 15 0
{f Thomas
Jordan ~ Land
&
hse } { 2 10 0 0 7 0 2 17 0
{g Luke
McGowan ~ Land
& hse } { 1 8 0 0 8 0 1
16 0
16 a Patrick
Lydon ~ Land
&
hse 26 0 18 2 15 0 0 10 0 3 5 0
17 a} ~ { Land
& hse 16 2 4 2 10 0 0
10 0 }
18 } Patrick
Cryan (Ruadh) ~
{ Land 15 2 4 2 0 0 - }5 0 0
19 } ~ { Land 3 2 22 1 5 0 - }
20 a } Jno
McDonagh (Tailor) ~ { "Land,
hse
&
offices" 96 0 35 4 10 0 0 15 0 }6 10 0
- Unoccupied
~ House - - 0 5 0 0 5 0
- c James
Killoran John
McDonagh House - - 0 5 0 0 5
0
21 a} Viscount
Lorton { "Land, hse &
offices" 4 0 15 2 15 0 0 10 0 }
22 } Patrick
Canden ~
{ Land 11 2 8 0 15 0 - }4 0 0
23 a John
McDonagh ~ Land
&
hse 24 2 10 1 10 0 0 5 0 1 15 0
24 a Martin
Cryan ~ Land
& hse 7 2 3 1 0 0 0 10 0 1
10 0
25 {a Bryan
Breheny ~ "Land,
hse & offices" }
{ 0 8 0 3 17 0
{b Bridget
Breheny ~ "Land,
hse &
offices" } 72 1 27 4 12
0{ 0 10 0 1 13 0
No.
& Names Rateable
Annual Valuation Total
Annual
Letters Description
of Tenements Area Valuation
of
of
Ref. Townlands + Occupiers Immediate Lessors Land
Buildings Rateable
Prop.
to Map
DERRYGOLAGH
Ord.S.45 + 40 A. R. P. £ s d £ s d £ s d
26 a Patrick
Taheny Viscount
Lorton Land 17 1 20 1 10 0 - 1 10 0
27 a Patrick
Henry ~ "Land,
hse &
offices" 15 1 34 2 5 0 0 5 0 2 10 0
28 a John
Sweeny ~ "Land,
hse &
offices" 25 1 0 2 0 0 0 5 0 2 5 0
29 a Michael
Conlan ~ Land
&
hse 23 0 37 1 15 0 0 5 0 2 0 0
30 a Michael
Breheny ~ Land
&
hse 12 3 32 1 0 0 0 5 0 1 5 0
{a Phillip
Forry ~ Land &
hse } { 2 0 0 0 10 0 2 10 0
{b John
Forry ~ Land
& hse } { 2 0 0 0 10 0 2
10 0
31 {c Thomas
Keville ~ "Land,
hse &
offices" } 91 0 18{ 4 0 0 0 15 0 4 15 0
{d Catherine
Keville ~ Land &
hse } { 1 10 0 0 5 0 1 15 0
{e Patrick
Forry ~ Land
&
hse } { 1 10 0 0 5 0 1 15 0
{a Patrick
Higgins ~ "Land,
hse &
offices" } { 3 17 0 0 10 0 3 17 0
32 {b Peter
Higgins Jun ~ Land &
hse } 99 2 27{ 0 13 0 0 5 0 0 18 0
{c John
Clarke ~ "Land,
hse &
offices" } { 2 0 0 0 10 0 2 10 0
{d Peter
Higgins Sen ~ "Land,
hse &
offices" } { 2 0 0 0 10 0 2 10 0
940 2 5 107 12 0 17 13 0 125 5 0
From: scovey@iwaynet.net | Block Address | Add to Address Book
To: caoimhghin@yahoo.com
Subject: Your
site
Date: Thu,
24 May 2001 11:19:37 -0400
Hello:
Enjoyed
reading your site and will be following your links into some additional
reading. Have just started my family research. I have an
arts/anthropology background. I am becoming "intrigued" with the
effects of the need to maintain a culture you speak about on your site and what
I'm observing as the loss of that culture on my family. We have become
homogenized to the point of bland. Even though on one side I was raised
with stories of "Uncle Michael working on the boat to get the family over
in the potato famine" there was no "culture" associated with
being Irish or Scot and my research has shown most of the tribe was here in the
United States prior to 1800! My family names were Crile (I've been told
"Anglicized" from something else in Irish), Call (that was changed
from Caul at some point) and McCullough )I haven't be able to confirm spellings
because 2 generations back were still spelling it different themselves from
birth - marriage and wedding certificates.)
I've
started a dialogue with my cousins about why our great grandmother may have
called Mammy instead of Grandmama. Or why we all seem to love the sea and
have ponds in our yards. As the world gets smaller through internet sites
like yours can open dialogues. Thank you for your efforts.
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Subject: Extracts
from Directories of Ireland 1846 and 1824
Date: Wed,
30 May 2001 11:01:46 +0100
To: cryan-l@rootsweb.com
I have
extracted ALL the Cryan/Crean variants for the province of
Connaught
ie the
counties of Sligo, Roscommon and Mayo.
I
thought that you may be interested
------------------------------------------
Slater's
Directory of Ireland 1846
Ballina Patrick Crean - Corn Merchant - Bridge St
Anthony Crean - Grocer - Bridge St
Anthony Crean - Ironmonger
& Hardwareman - Bridge St
Anthony Crean - Leather
Seller - Bridge St
Patrick Crean - Public House - Bridge St
Thomas Crean - Shopkeeper & Dealer in Sundries -
Bridge
St
Boyle MaryAnne Cryan - Linen&Woollen Drapers - Church St
Peter Cryan - Physician - Main St
Claremorris Abby Crean Esq - gentry - Ballevilla
Francis Crean Esq JP -
gentry - Prospect
Roscommon
Mr Thomas Croughan - gentry - Main St
Sligo Patrick Crean - Academies &
Schools(writing) - 12 John
St
Strokestown
Hubert Croughan - Public House - Elphin St
-------------------------------------------
Pigot's
Directory of Ireland 1824
Ballina Patrick Crean - Ironmonger - Bridge St
Ballymote Patrick Crean - Grocer& Linen draper
Boyle Peter Cryan MD - Surgeon- Main St
Robert Cryan - Publican - Green
Westport Lieut Crean - gentry - S Mayo militia
-----------------------------------------------
I hope
you find this interesting not only for what it contains but also
foir
how
little.
Eve
From: Karen
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Reply-to: k.mcelrath@qub.ac.uk
Subject: re:
massachusetts 1910
Date: Fri,
1 Jun 2001 15:17:24 +0100 (GMT Daylight Time)
To: CRYAN-L@rootsweb.com
hello: a long shot i know but if anyone has good
access to the
1910
massachusetts census, can you please look up CRYAN for the
towns
of 1) Somerset, 2) Wareham, and 3) Swampscott/Lynn? i
would
greatly appreciate this information and will gladly
reimburse
for time. many, many thanks, karen
(belfast, ireland)
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From: "A.
Riley" <ariley@smtp.ltp.org> | Block Address | Add to Address Book
Subject: CRYAN-L,
SLIGO-L: Maps from Ordnance Survey Ireland
Date: Fri,
1 Jun 2001 12:02:57 -0500
To: CRYAN-L@rootsweb.com
Fellow
researchers,
I
recently ordered some maps from the Irish government's mapping
agency,
and
they
are wonderful. The Discovery Series map shows townland names,
roads,
rivers
and streams, contour lines, and such things as ring forts and
megaliths,
as well as the usual features of tourist maps. The agency
also
ran
out for me an A4 sheet of the Victorian-era 6 inches-1 mile scale
OS map
of my
ancestors' neighborhood -- fascinating! That shows roads,
streams,
footpaths,
ring forts and such (with names! Giant's Grave -- cool!),
and
what
looks like boundaries of farms. Alas, many features are unlabeled,
at
least
on the little segment of map that I got, but they're mostly easy
to
figure
out. I also got a big map of the whole island for reference.
(I
don't have them with me, so I can't do lookups this week.)
All
three maps added up to $45 American, including air-mail postage,
charged
to my
credit card. I ordered by writing to the Map Sales Office,
Ordnance
Survey
Ireland, Phoenix Park, Dublin 8, Ireland.
I had
e-mailed the agency in advance to ask what maps would be useful,
and
one of
their people responded with very helpful information, and
quickly,
too.
And when I finally wrote away to order, the maps arrived without
delay.
See
www.irlgov.ie/osi for more info.
A.
Riley
ariley@ltp.org
Another
proud descendant of Atty Crain
Date: Fri,
1 Jun 2001 11:57:57 -0700 (PDT)
From: Colin
Crehan <colin_crehan@yahoo.com> | Block Address | Add to Address Book
Subject: Re:
Extracts from Directories of Ireland 1846 and 1824
To: CRYAN-L@rootsweb.com
Very
interesting ... thanks, Eve!
A few
observations and questions:
*
There do not appear to be any farmers listed.
I
imagine
farmers and miners did not get listed in these
directories. In fact, every profession sounds like a
town-dwelling
job.
* I
know that my Grandfather said that our family
migrated
from Donegal, and from further east before
that
(Tyrone?). I wonder if some of this
migration
was
still taking place in the mid-1800's (inside of
Ireland
... and not just to the USA).
* I'd
be interested to see the "Crehan" listings,
since
that is the time period that my tree comes to a
halt.
* I'm
showing my ignorance ... but when did modern
(more-anglicized)
Irish names come into being? Did it
stem
from Cromwell's efforts? ... or when Ireland
joined
the United Kingdom? ... or at some other time?
* Does
anyone know the chronology of the name shift?
(i.e., does "Cryan" come directly
from
"O'Croidheain",
or is it an offshoot of "O'Crean" or
somesuch?
* How
did you get ahold of these directories, and are
there
similar directories for other counties? other
times?
Again
... very interesting. As always, any
information
is appreciated.
Regards,
- Colin Crehan
---
FamSpack < > wrote:
> I
have extracted ALL the Cryan/Crean variants for
>
the province of Connaught
>
ie the counties of Sligo, Roscommon and Mayo.
> I
thought that you may be interested
>
------------------------------------------
>
Slater's Directory of Ireland 1846
>
>
Ballina
> Patrick Crean - Corn Merchant - Bridge St
> Anthony Crean - Grocer - Bridge St
> Anthony Crean - Ironmonger & Hardwareman
- Bridge
St
> Anthony Crean - Leather Seller - Bridge St
> Patrick Crean - Public House - Bridge St
> Thomas Crean
- Shopkeeper & Dealer in Sundries -
Bridge
St
>
>
Boyle
> MaryAnne Cryan - Linen&Woollen Drapers
- Church
St
> Peter Cryan - Physician - Main St
>
>
Claremorris
> Abby Crean Esq - gentry - Ballevilla
> Francis Crean Esq JP - gentry - Prospect
>
>
Roscommon
> Mr Thomas Croughan - gentry - Main St
>
>
Sligo
> Patrick Crean - Academies &
Schools(writing) - 12
John
St
>
>
Strokestown
> Hubert Croughan - Public House - ElphinSt
>
>
-------------------------------------------
>
>
Pigot's Directory of Ireland 1824
>
>
Ballina
> Patrick Crean - Ironmonger - Bridge St
>
>
Ballymote
> Patrick Crean - Grocer& Linen draper
>
>
Boyle
> Peter Cryan MD - Surgeon- Main St
> Robert Cryan - Publican - Green
>
>
Westport
> Lieut Crean - gentry - S Mayo militia
>
>
-----------------------------------------------
>
> I
hope you find this interesting not only for what
>
it contains but also foir
>
how little.
>
Eve
>
Reply-to: "FamSpack"
< >
From: "FamSpack"
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Subject: Re
1824 and 1846 Directories and other things
Date: Sat,
2 Jun 2001 01:45:14 +0100
To: CRYAN-L@rootsweb.com
To
answer some of Colin's queries and probably what other people are
thinking.
These
Directories are are trade directories but with a great deal more
such
as
times of coaches , time of post , times of church services...all
denominations,
professional people, schools, etc. In some cases
particularly
large
cities they list all those who work in the Customs and Excise
Office
and
other such organisations. BUT the list is by province and by town.
Those
in the
country are not mentioned.
These
particular directories are published by the Society of
Genealogists
in
London
on microfiche, so you need access to a microfiche reader.
Information
on
this can be got from those glossy family history magazines.
Slaters
Directories, Pigots Directories, Kellys Directories (and there
are
others)
were produced every couple of years like the Yellow Pages of
the
telephone
directory,or the local town guide. for distribution locally.
Our
Local
History Library has one or other for each year since about 1800
(I may
be
wrong there) particular to our local town. The later ones for
Kelly's
have
the name of the resident of each house - very useful...
Sadly
these directories are not commonly available outside the local
area.
However
you may be lucky. Some good geneological libraries may have a
selection.
Otherwise it would seem to be an excuse to visit .
The
Directories of Ireland that I gave the extracts from, do not have
this
kind
of local detail but could well be a compilation of shortened
versions.
They
have not all been filmed.
Migration/
movement around Ireland
I am
sure that there has always been movement by families to look for
work,
education,
wanderlust, excitement, dispossession etc In the 16 and
1700s
young
men were sent to Belgium, France and elsewhere to be educated and
to
be
trained as priests (see Liam Swords - Diocese of Achonry)
I have
letters from family - not Cryans - who were born in Co Laois
about
1800
and so were working from 1815 or so onwards and they are
frequently
going
back and forth to London and Dublin and even occasionally to the
USA
and
Canada and back and they were not rich.
The
Directories give some idea that even in 1824 there were regular and
often
daily coaches between places often run as mail coaches. In the
1850s
the
railway was built, so people moved further afield - even Gurteen
had a
station.
Branch lines flourished and you can see the line of many now
defunct
on the Irish OS Discovery maps.
Names
- Having looked at many households on the original 1901 census
there
are a
surprising number who still speak Irish at that time. However it
does
tend
to be ,but not always, those aged over 40, Many say that they
cannot
write
,even if they can read but they do not specify Irish or English.
This
then poses a problem in that someone else has to write documents
from
what
is dictated and spells names as he hear them.Even for births and
marriages
the clerk or priest just writes what he hears. So to a large
extent
the spelling of a name depends on two things, the speaker's
accent
,
and
the ears that hear the name spoken. Cryan is a ticky one and even
now we
still
get many variations, but said with the many variations of the
Irish
accent/brogue.
As to
which came first, I am inclined to believe that the sound of the
name
is
common to all the variations of spelling.
Crean
appears on the Sligo tomb in about 1560 or so - pre Cromwell, but
who
knows
that may be just the simplified spelling - just as some folk that
I
knew
who came from Poland named Szczap became Shap
However
the earliest entries in the Boyle Parish register(incidentally
written
in Latin) in the 1790s have Crine and Cryan even in the same
family
while
the earliest Taunagh (Riverstown) registers have Cryan and Krine
and
others.
I
think that there is a great deal to discuss and wonder whether
"Caoimhghin"
our "Irish man" can give some further ideas.
Until
again Eve
Date: Sun, 03 Jun 2001 19:04:48 -0400
From: Anne Duffy
<rid22576@ride.ri.net> | Block Address | Add to
Address Book
Reply-to: rid22576@ride.ri.net
Subject: Cryan/Lavin
To: CRYAN-L@rootsweb.com
Greetings
to all, I'm new to the list and am trying to locate my Cryan
ancestors.
My gggrandmother was Bridget Cryan(Crane in US). Bridget
Cryan
m. John Lavin 1840-1850 in Ireland. Three children I know of
emigrated
to E. Prov. RI and married there 1876-1880. Thomas m.
Margaret
Kielty,
John m. Mary Duffy,
and
Bridget/Delia m. Michael Foley. Mary Duffy was the daughter of
Patrick
Duffy and Bridget McDonagh. Mathew Cryan son of Martin and
Norah
was
possibly a cousin who came over with them. From what I can tell the
men
came over first, worked and sent for the women and got married.
With
the
help of Griffiths I found all the names in the Toomour area of
Sligo-
Brougher, Carrowcrory, Derrygolagh and Dernaskeagh. I feel they
all
come from this area, but I have no proof. I am currently searching
the
Catholic church records for Drumrat with no success. I've read the
Cryan
list archieves and realize others are interested in this area.
I'm
confused
as to what parish would have the records. Any help or
suggestions
would be greatly appreciated.
TIA
Anne
--
******
Anne Duffy
mailto:rid22576@ride.ri.net
Date: Sun,
3 Jun 2001 23:03:08 PDT
From: Karen
McElrath <K.McElrath@Queens-Belfast.AC.UK> | Block Address | Add to Address Book
Reply-to: K.McElrath@Queens-Belfast.AC.UK
Subject: Re:
Cryan/Lavin
To: CRYAN-L@rootsweb.com
Anne: My great grandfather was Martin Cryan. He was born in 1852, and
strong
evidence
suggests that he was born in Brogher/Brougher townland. He
emigrated
to the
US as a young child with two older siblings.
Martin eventually
settled
in PA -
north
of Pittsburgh. His sister, Bridget
Cryan, remained in
Massachusetts
and
lived
in the towns of Wareham and Somerset.
She was born in Drumrat
circa
1846.
She married Patrick Feeney in Massachusetts
(born in County
Roscommon).
Bridget
Cryan and Patrick Feeney had several children, one of whom was
named
Thomas.
The
third sibling who emigrated to the US was Patrick Cryan, born circa
1844-1847.
Like Bridget, Patrick remained largely in the
towns of Wareham and
Somerset,
Massachusetts. Patrick married Catherine LAVIN in
Manchester, New
Hampshire
in
1864. I have the marriage certificate - which
states that Catherine
LAVIN
was born
in
Ireland (no county given) and her parents were James and Alice
LAVIN.
Catherine
LAVIN was born in 1839. Patrick Cryan's
name appeared in the
census
and
elsewhere from time to time as CRANE. My
great grandfather Martin
Cryan,
was
known later as CRAIN.
The
parents of the three siblings were Patrick and Catherine Conlon
Cryan. We
have
never found any evidence at all that they made it to the United
States.
Can
you tell me how far East Providence, RI is from Somerset or
Wareham,
MA?
Eve
knows much more about parish records than I do, and my guess is
that
she
will
address your questions about these data.
Karen
From: Rosalie
Cryan <RoCryan@mediaone.net> | Block Address | Add to Address Book
To: <RoCryan@mediaone.net>,
<hcryan@doglover.com>, <PLewicke@Juno.com>,
<dcryan@email.rci.rutgers.edu>, <caoimhghin@yahoo.com>, <ccryan2@yahoo.com>,
<Dustmobile@mediaone.net>, <cryhicks@netway.com>,
<joneverett@juno.com>, <maryedserwinski@aol.com>,
<USER223779@AOL.COM>, <jlewicke@worldnet.att.net>,
<cryanassoc@fiam.net>, <paulcryan@eircom.net>,
<mcryan01@snet.net>, <KateCryan@mediaone.net>
Date: Mon, 04 Jun 2001 13:38:28 "GMT"
Subject: CCC
2001 August 11
Hi
folks, Pat has e-d the plans for reunion
24 and I just cut and
pasted
them
up for all to see. Feedback at the site
is welcome. <S> Rosalie
From: Fatarm@aol.com | Block Address | Add to Address Book
Date: Mon, 4 Jun 2001 22:04:33 EDT
Subject: Cryan/Crehan
Forwarded message
To: CRYAN-L@rootsweb.com
Subj: {not a subscriber} another crehan
Date: 6/2/01 10:50:14 AM Eastern Daylight Time
From: ncrehan@eircom.net (niall crehan)
To: CRYAN-L@rootsweb.com
Hi
Guys,
Niall
Crehan here from Kilcock. County Kildare Ireland.
Son of
Pat Crehan who was a pilot with The Irish Aer Corps who hailed
from a
place
called Bonavella in Milltown Malbay
County
Clare.Also winner of a bronze medal in the 1948 olympics in
London.
He was
also a brother of the more famous musician Junior (Martin)
Crehan
who
played
fiddle.
There
were ten kids in the pats family and he himself had ten of which
I am
the
last.
>From
his side of the family the ten are in a ripe old age of eighty
plus.
There
are 3 remaining. One in Lahinch Co. Clare, The other two are in
Long
Beach
California and Chicago.
Martin
senior or my Grandfather was known as the master and was also
from
around
Milltown Malbay.
He
married Margeret Scanlon who came from the kilrush Road not too far
away
from Quilty in Co. Clare.
She
died in 1968.
Hope
this helps with building the family tree!Let me know what else is on it.
Best
RegardsNiallniall@crehans.comCrehan Musical Instruments
Date: Sat,
9 Jun 2001 20:15:26 +0100 (BST)
From: Caoimhghin
O Croidheain <caoimhghin@yahoo.com> | Block Address | Add to Address Book
Subject: Roscommon
Herald 1890
To: CRYAN-L@rootsweb.com
Roscommon
Herald 1890
Jan 11
COS J
Cryan
Builder
Boyle
BINL
James
Cryan
John
Cryan
Donations
Feb 8
BINL
Full
page of names
Drumlion
BINL
John
Cryan
Patrick
Cryan
Luke
Cryan
Apr 19
COS
union
John
Cryan
Builder
May 10
1890
Keash
Gaels J. Cryan
May 17
1890 p2
Land
commissioners in Boyle
Chairman
Mr M. T. Crean
May 24
1890
Carrick
on Shannon Union
John
Cryan £20 granted for labourers cottages
June
14 1890
NLB
Boyle
Pat
Cryan
July 5
1890 p2
Death
of Master Luke Cryan
Carrowreagh
age 23 Father John Cryan Esq PLG
July
12 1890 p5
Croghan
INL
Tenants
Defence Ass.
Contributors
Pat Cryan Knockroe
(reads
like census of area)
Aug 23
1890 p4
Presentment
Sessions
John
Cryan Carrareagh Barony of Boyle
Cesspayors
Sep 27
1890
Drumlion
Branch Tully Testimonial Fund
Donors
John
Cryan 5s
Peter
Cryan 2s
Oct 25
1890 p4
Bazaar
in Carrick on Shannon
Wed
Night Concert "Freaks and Follies"
R. J.
Cryan plays one of the characters
Nov 29
1890 p1 6th col
"The
old Balinultha feud was revived at the Boyle
Petty
Sessions on Wed. The Rorkes and the Cryans
fighting
with varying luck in cases and cross-cases."
P2
Boyle
Petty Sessions court case
(Verbatim
report about bullock going into cabbage
patch
and ensuing fight)
Star
players Honoria Cryan, James Cryan and John Cryan
(with
supporting cast from Rorke family).
*****
(A Classic)
P5
Politics in Carrick
R. J.
Cryan complaining about shopkeepers refusing to
join
National Movement
Dec 13
1890 p3
Politics
in Carrick
R. J.
Cryan involved in forming new Branch of National
League
Dec 20
1890 p2
Keash
Emmets v. Ballinafad Gaels (Co Sligo)
Mr
Michael Cryan placed field at their disposal. (a
Cryan
also one to the players)
Date: Sat,
9 Jun 2001 15:43:42 PDT
From: Karen
McElrath <K.McElrath@Queens-Belfast.AC.UK> | Block Address | Add to Address Book
Reply-to: K.McElrath@Queens-Belfast.AC.UK
Subject: new
book
To: CRYAN-L@rootsweb.com
listers: a new book (second edition) on county
roscommon. karen
God
Save All Here: Memories of Life in County Roscommon during the 20th
Century
2nd edition by Paul Healy
(Paperback;
9.99 IEP / 13.50 USD / 8.50 UK / 12.70 EURO; Paul Healy;
206
pages,
with b/w photos)
This
book is a fascinating insight into the local history of Roscommon
during
a century and its people features interviews with men and women
from
all
walks of life. They talk openly about
life, death, happiness and
hardship
- and more. Subjects include: The ass
and cart, living
conditions
in
thatched houses, schooldays, the house station, wakes and funerals,
the
old
fairs, emigration, killing the pig, the rambling houses, dances and
carnivals,
the American wakes and much more. This
book captures the
essence
of 100
years in County Roscommon.
Date: Sun,
10 Jun 2001 11:54:48 -0700 (PDT)
From: Colin
Crehan <colin_crehan@yahoo.com> | Block Address | Add to Address Book
Subject: Re:
Cryan/Crehan Forwarded message
To: CRYAN-L@rootsweb.com
Niall
had mentioned that he presumed: "we all came
from
the Cavan direction when the O Briens decided to
pick
on us and we had to leg it as quick as possible
to get
away from them."
I
confirmed with my father that Co Caven was where my
grandfather
had said our Crehan family branch
originally
came (and not Co Tyrone, as I had
mistakenly
remembered).
Does
anyone on the list know of or have any historical
information
to back this up? (when and where and
why)
I
would be interested in reading more about this.
____
Also,
has anyone had experience with looking for farm
records. I know that my Grandfather owned a 26 acre
farm
(in 5 parcels in Ballyvoneen and Castle French)
...
but I'm sure that the family (especially his
father
and grandfather) were just tennants of the
French
family until Irish land reform vested his
rights.
In any
case, should I hold out any hope that there
would
be a paper trail (especially a government one)
that
documents farm tennants ... or would that have
been
soley at the discretion of the French family?
Regards,
- Colin Crehan
--- Fatarm@aol.com wrote:
>
Subj: {not a subscriber} another
crehan
>
Date: 6/2/01 10:50:14 AM Eastern
Daylight Time
>
From: ncrehan@eircom.net (niall crehan)
>
To: CRYAN-L@rootsweb.com
>
>
Hi Guys,
>
>
Niall Crehan here from Kilcock. County Kildare
>
Ireland.
>
Son of Pat Crehan who was a pilot with The Irish Aer
>
Corps who hailed from a
>
place called Bonavella in Milltown Malbay
Ø
County Clare.Also winner of a bronze medal in the