great
loss of their former crop of potatoes, and subsisted during this hard
summer
without as yet any government work or food. And now your memorialists
are totally
run out of the old provision or money to buy it, and have nothing to
feed
themselves or their families, as they have lost their early potatoes by
the rot, and
the stalks of the late crop being blighted. Your memorialists are in
destitution and
despair and most humbly beg for work." Signed by several including (x
denotes
illiterate): Cryan
inhabitants James x Cryan, John x Cryan, James
Cryan, Michael
Cryan. Names to a memorial: Patrick Cryan, John x Cryan, Mathew x
Cryan, James
x Cryan, Denis x Cryan, Roger x Cryan, James x Cryan, John Cryan, John
Cryan
Sr., James Cryan, Andrew Cryan, Martin Cryan, James Cryan, James Cryan
Jr., Patt
Cryan, Roger Cryan, James Cryan, John Cryan, Michael Cryan, Patt Cryan,
John
Cryan, Mathew Cryan, Dominick Cryan, Widow x Cryan, Mathew x Cryan,
Thomas x
Cryan, Michael x Cryan, James x Cryan, Pat x Cryan, Thomas x Cryan,
Michael x
Cryan, James x Cryan, Thomas Cryan, Bartly Cryan, Martin x Cryan, Widow
x
Cryan, John x Cryan.
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(page 168) 9 April, 1847 (Ballymote). Request from Rev. J. Garrett to
Society of
Friends: "I have attended upon the distribution of soup and bread to
the relief in
the last week in this parish of 360 families, averaging 6 in every
house and my
family have given out needlework and knitting to a large body of young
women put
off the public works…Our funds are now exhausted. If you will now help
us we shall
have 9 additional soup kitchens and bakeries in operation in a week and
without
funds we cannot save the lives of the unemployed and starving people."
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(page 181) 14 May 1847. Petition of 477 able-bodied men of Toomour,
above
seventeen and under fifty years, to Toomour Relief Committee.
"Petitioners are in
a most deplorable state at present owing to the great distress
existing…beseech the
gentlemen of the committee will take their distress into their
charitable
consideration by granting them present employment on the Knockoconnor
line of
road, to prevent actual starvation in the electoral division of Toomour
and
petitioners and families will every pray as in duty bound." Cryans
listed on the
petition include: Patt Cryan, Patt Cryan, Patt Cryan, Patt Cryan,
Thomas Cryan,
John Cryan, James Cryan, Mathew Cryan, James Cryan, Thomas Cryan, Roger
Cryan, John Cryan, Bartly Cryan, John Cryan, Patt Cryan, James Cryan
Sr., James
Cryan Jr., Patt Cryan Sr., Patt Cryan Jr., Patt Cryan red, Dominick
Cryan, Michael
Cryan, John Cryan, Mathew Cryan, Martin Cryan, James Cryan, Michael
Cryan,
Michael Cryan, Patt Cryan, Martin Cryan, James Cryan, Peter Cryan,
Michael
Cryan, Bartly Cryan, James Cryan, John Cryan, Martin Cryan, James Cryan
D, Patt
Cryan, Thomas Cryan.
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Winter 1847-1848 (page 160). Keash. 18 December. Abby Fleming to
Society of
Friends: "Never was relief more needed than the last, no never were
applications
more numerous than at present…The destitution is most heartrending in
the
extreme, the haggard, emaciated, miserable appearance of the applicants
is truly
appalling. Many hundreds of these are subsisting on turnips often
uncooked."
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Winter 1848-1849 (page 356). Keash. 22 November. "Sworn statement of
Richard
Fleming, poor rate collector of Toomour electoral division": 'having
been
threatened in a very violent manner by a large crowd of persons at
Templevanny
and Brogher, 50 to 60 in number, armed with sticks and stones, on 1
November,
not to attempt to collect or destrain for the rates, that they would
take his life.'
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Passages also state that if one had 1t2 to two acres of land - even if
the land was
'unproductive,' those persons were not entitled to 'poorhouse relief'
(page 323).
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Anyone searching for "missing" female ancestors from this region should
note that
the author describes the situation whereby beginning in 1848, several
female
orphans between the ages of 14 and 18 who resided in workhouses were
sent to
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Karen McElrath
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From: "Peter Cryans" <Petercryans@btinternet.com> | Block Address | Add to Address Book
To: <caoimhghin@yahoo.com>
Subject: Cryan Database
Date: Sun, 18 Mar 2001 21:20:37 -0000
Hi Kevin,
I was just reading on the Leitrim/Roscommon website that you had a database on the Cryan surname. I wondered if it was available online and if so what the url is?
I'd be delighted if you found the time to reply.
Many thanks
Peter Cryans
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From: Fatarm@aol.com | Block Address | Add to Address Book
Date: Tue,
20 Mar 2001 12:48:31 EST
Subject: O'Crean to Crane -- any connections?
To: CRYAN-L@rootsweb.com
I recently received the following email (and have signed this gentleman
up to
the list so that he may participate in the search): Connection,
anyone?
- - - - - - - - -
I am looking for relatives anywhere. My father was born in
PA,
(since
changed to Crane).
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Thank you
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Bill Crane
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From: "Thomas Crane" <tccrane@peoplepc.com> | Block Address | Add to Address Book
Subject: O'Creans from
Date: Tue,
20 Mar 2001 14:20:58 -0800
To: CRYAN-L@rootsweb.com
I would be happy to receive information regarding O'Crean/Crane from
Bill
Crane of
for Creans from anywhere. Ordinarily they seem to be pretty nice
people. Best wishes to All, Tom Crane
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Date: Tue,
20 Mar 2001 19:16:13 PST
From: Karen McElrath <K.McElrath@Queens-Belfast.AC.UK> | Block Address | Add to Address Book
Reply-to: K.McElrath@Queens-Belfast.AC.UK
Subject: Re: O'Crean to Crane -- any connections?
To: CRYAN-L@rootsweb.com
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On Tue, 20 Mar 2001 12:48:31 EST Fatarm@aol.com wrote:
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> From:Fatarm@aol.com> Date: Tue, 20
Mar 2001 12:48:31 EST
> Subject: O'Crean to Crane -- any connections?
> To: CRYAN-L@rootsweb.com
>
> I recently received the following email (and have signed this
gentleman up to
> the list so that he may participate in the search): Connection,
anyone?
> - - - - - - - - -
> I am looking for relatives anywhere. My father was born in
>
PA,
(since
> changed to Crane).
>
> Thank you
>
> Bill Crane
>
>
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hiya: would very much appreciate bill's email address. or perhaps you
can send
him mine. some of my cryan ancestors lived in philly at that time.
also, one
person in my cryan (philly) line changed the spelling (or someone did
it for him) to
crain.
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many thanks, karen
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Reply-to: "FamSpack" < >
From: "FamSpack" < > | Block Address | Add to Address Book
Subject: Derrygolagh/Derryvolagh
Date: Sat, 31 Mar 2001 00:40:11 +0100
To: CRYAN-L@rootsweb.com
Pat Cryans has recently been asking about the CRYANs and the HENRYs of
Derryvolagh (as written in the Keash Parish Register)
This may therefore be of interest - a list of the landholders in the
townland of Derryvolaghfrom the Griffiths Valuation Survey of 1858
(sorry
that there is no individual acreage.
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Patrick Dignan
Matthew Cryan
Timothy Duffy
Thomas Cryan
John Scanlon
James Dolan
Patrick Horan
James Cryan(Strong)
Michael Madden
Thomas Cryan
John Henry
James Henry - leased from John Henry - all the above leased from
Viscount
Lorton
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Shared acreage of 78 acres leased from Viscount Lorton
Thomas Mulvany
Patrick Cryan(Gildea)
John Mulvany
James Cryan (Jack)
Thomas M'Gowan
Thomas Jordan
Luke M'Gowan
Patrick Lydon
Patrick Cryan(Ruadh)
John M'Donagh(Tailor)
unoccupied
James Killoran leased from John M'Donagh
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The names in brackets are to distinguish between individuals of the
same
name, thus two plots with the same name probably mean one individual
holds
the two plots.
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Could Thomas HENRY be a child of one of the HENRYs here?
It looks as though this John HENRY is father to Catherine born 1854
whose
mother is Maria HIGGINS of the information that I gave from the parish
registers.
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Eve
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Date: Mon,
2 Apr 2001 03:47:25 -0700 (PDT)
From: Caoimhghin O Croidheain <caoimhghin@yahoo.com> | Block Address | Add to Address Book
Subject:
To: CRYAN-L@rootsweb.com
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http://www.loughman.dna.ie/dublin1850/xdubdir17.html
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Crean
John
Joseph B., 13
Mary,
29
From the Law Directory (not listed at stated address)
Austin
F.,
listed as vacant
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caoimhghin
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From: Fatarm@aol.com Date: Mon, 9 Apr 2001 13:35:16 EDT
Subject: Thank you, Eve and Caoimhghin
To: CRYAN-L@rootsweb.com
For your recent posts. You're inspiring me to get back to the
business! I
really enjoy reading about these scattered references to Cryans, et al.
Next
time I get a free couple of hours I'm heading to a library to see if I
can
find any cousins in dusty old directories ... anyone else for a
looksee?
-Leslie
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Reply-to: "FamSpack" < >
From: "FamSpack" < >
Subject: More Cryans
Date: Tue,
10 Apr 2001 09:58:23 +0100
To: CRYAN-L@rootsweb.com
Hi,
I do
not know how many of you subscribe to the
a
project to transcribe the 1901 census for Co Sligo.
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As you know ,I have been involved in transcribing the 1901 census for
Co
Roscommon for the Leitrim and Roscommon website
http://www.leitrim-roscommon.com .We are now extending into our area
(Keash,
Gurteen etc) of Co Sligo, eventually to include the rest of the Boyle
PLU.(and
we are co-operating with the
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The Boyle PLU eventually became almost the same as the Boyle
registration
district - it straddles the border between the two counties and gives
rise
to homeland anomolies . eg some folk find relatives in the indexes as
Boyle
registered and believe they were born in Co Roscommon where in reality
it is
Co
that
their relatives were registered in Co Roscommon.
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I also notice that the 1901 census is gradually expanding on the L-R
site to
include
Co Mayo ,Co Galway, Co
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<!--[endif]>
JUST A WORD OF WARNING - I receive SPAM ,despite a filter, from time to
time. I am horrified by those missives that say in very persuasive
terms -
give us your data and we will SELL it back to you at reduced costs. I
do
hope that you just DELETE it and DO NOT REPLY, even to deregister as
that
acknowledges that you are you and have received the message.
This is another reason for not putting too much personal stuff on open
access on a website.
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But then you are CRYANs and all wise enough !
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Eve
Date: Fri, 13 Apr 2001 23:05:29 PDT
From: Karen McElrath <K.McElrath@Queens-Belfast.AC.UK> Reply-to: K.McElrath@Queens-Belfast.AC.UK
Subject: Re: Eve's family queries
To: CRYAN-L@rootsweb.com
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like eve, i too am interested in the john cryan who was transported to
after reading the book, "The Great Shame", i realize that he might have
left
decendants
in both
more
information about him, please let us know. happy easter, karen
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Date: Wed, 18 Apr 2001 12:22:18 +0100 (BST)
From: Caoimhghin O Croidheain <caoimhghin@yahoo.com> Subject: *New* old Cryan grave found!
To: CRYAN-L@rootsweb.com
Hi
I was
in
famine memorial which was erected recently. I had been
in the old graveyard before but it hadnt been
surveyed. Now there is a display board with index and
map. I saw Cryan in the index and found the grave
which was very old and difficult to read in parts. It
is a large slab lying horizontal. I think the stone
had not been read before as there was a lot of moss
and as I cleared it off I found more and more names.
The following is what I could make out:
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Lord have mercy on the soul of Danl. Cryan who
departed this life on the 24 th of Dec 1816? aged 76
years. This stone was erected by his dutiful son Robt
Cryan of Boyle.
Mathilda? Cryan ... of Robert Cryan dep. July 1821?
aged ... years.
Robert Cryan died 11 July 1833 aged 60 years.
Peter Cryan MD departed this life 5 April 1871 aged 76
years
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Please let me know if you can elaborate on any of this
info. Was Dr Peter Cryan not buried in Glasnevin in
Dublin?
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regards caoimhghin
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Reply-to: "FamSpack" < >
From: "FamSpack" < > | Block Address | Add to Address Book
To: "Caoimhghin O Croidheain" <caoimhghin@yahoo.com>
Subject: Fw: Eve's family queries
Date: Thu, 19 Apr 2001 10:57:11 +0100
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----- Original Message -----
From: "FamSpack" < >
To: <CRYAN-L@rootsweb.com>
Sent: Thursday, April 12, 2001 12:41 PM
Subject: Eve's family queries
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I am still looking for and doggedly going through the Parish Registers
for
my family. I know not where they came from - John CRYAN born before
1823
and children
John CRYAN born abt 1844 died 1886 of TB
Daniel CRYAN born abt 1844 d 1882 of a wound
Michael CRYAN born 1854/5 d 1884 of TB single
Margaret CRYAN born 1857/8 d 1879 of TB single
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All worked in the tobacco industry in Liverpool.
John and Daniel's families did not have TB so I suspect it was
introduced
into the household of John with the arrival of Michael and Margaret in
about
1875/6. No children were born of the family after that date.
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There are hundreds of John CRYANs so I am concentrating on the name
Daniel
linked with John as it is a very unusual CRYAN name
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I have records of all the well known Daniels including
Daniel CRYAN m Margaret McDonogh and the Scottish and Canadian /USA
connections Quite a few stayed in Scotland and I have them on the 1881
census
Daniel CRYAN m Mary BREHANY on 3 March 1842 in Keash - could possibly
be a
candidate for brother of my John born before 1823 - witness at marriage
was
John CRYAN
Daniel CRYAN born 1842 parents John CRYAN and Catherine GILDEA (they
also
had a son John born 1837) - if no other possibilities, these could be
strong
candidates and all the dates on my certificates are wrong. However
there is
no Michael or Margaret of even vaguely the correct age in the family.
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I would dearly love to know more about the John CRYAN b about 1820 who
appears on the Transportation to Australia site. He was convicted in
1848
and sentence to 7 years - it fits with the dates of birth of the known
children.
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Has anyone anything new?...........please
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I hope that you all have a very Happy and Holy Easter,and feel renewed
and
refreshed in all that you do..
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Eve
Reply-to: "FamSpack" < >
From: "FamSpack" < > | Block Address | Add to Address Book
Subject: Ardcarn Graves
Date: Thu, 19 Apr 2001 13:13:38 +0100
To: CRYAN-L@rootsweb.com
Hi,
Putting in your data with what I have gleaned over the years......and
yes
thank you , another Daniel !!!!!!
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Descendants of Daniel Cryan
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1 Daniel Cryan Abt. 1740 - 1816 b: Abt. 1740 d: December 24, 1816
in
buried - Ardcarn nr Boyle
......... 2 [1] Robert Cryan Abt. 1773 - 1833 b: Abt. 1773 d: July
11,
1833
............. +Matilda 'Little' Lytle Bef. 1775 - 1821 b: Bef. 1775 m:
Abt.
1793 d: July 1821 in gravestone Ardcarn Cemetery nr Boyle
.................... 3 Joannes Cryan 1794 - b: August 28, 1794
........................ +Johanna Murren Bef. 1799 - b: Bef. 1799 m:
Abt.
1819
............................... 4 Robertus Cryan 1820 - b: November
1820
.................... 3 Peter Cryan Abt. 1795 - 1871 b: Abt. 1795 d:
April
5, 1871 in gravestone Ardcarn Cemetery nr Boyle
.................... 3 Brigida Cryan 1805 - b: April 1805 in Boyle RC
Co
Roscommon
......... *2nd Wife of [1] Robert Cryan:
............. +Maria Anna Ford Bef. 1806 - b: Bef. 1806 m: February
24,
1824 in Boyle RC Co Roscommon
.................... 3 Robertus Cryan 1825 - b: January 1825 in Boyle
RC
.................... 3 Brigida Cryan 1826 - b: October 1826 in Boyle
RC
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I also have
Descendants of Johanna Murren
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1 [1] Johanna Murren Bef. 1799 - b: Bef. 1799
.. +Robertus(poss Johannis) Cryan Bef. 1799 - b: Bef. 1799 m: Abt.
1817
......... 2 Patricius Cryan 1818 - b: February 1818 in Boyle
*2nd Husband of [1] Johanna Murren:
.. +Joannes Cryan 1794 - b: August 28, 1794 m: Abt. 1819
......... 2 Robertus Cryan 1820 - b: November 1820
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where I think that Robertus(poss Johannes) is a priest's error from the
PRs
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NOTE
1. I have the christening dates of most of these but as it is an
automatic
copy of a storage program these have not been printed. To check these
look
in the LDS VS
2. I also have several possibilities for the families of the offspring
but
these are not given as there is no evidence
3. The above information was substantiated by some extracts from court
documents(if I remember correctly) that Caoimhghin put on the site ages
ago.
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If anyone is going to the National Archives in Dublin, pleeeeease could
they
look up John Cryan b 1820 convicted in 1848 to transportation for 7
years on
the ship the LONDON
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Eve
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From: Melodi609@cs.com | Block Address | Add to Address Book
Date: Thu, 19 Apr 2001 14:41:22 EDT
Subject: Re:
CRYAN-D Digest V01 #18
To: CRYAN-L@rootsweb.com
Thank you for the message .
These are our Crain/ Crane/ Crehan
William Crane left Ireland , 1819 was in the census of Carleton , Co.
New
Brunswick , Can.age 54 . William ,rightly or wrongly spelled it so .
His son
John used Crain and a priest spelled it Crehan once. William was
married to
Lucy /Levenia Smith , a Baptist at the baptism of the children , all in
1839
except one in 40. Those are recorded at St. Bruno's Catholic Church in
Van
Buren Maine ,probably the priest was a missionary.
there are so many variations to the name that Cryan is possible
The names of William and Lucy's children were that John , Michael,
James ,
William and Richard.
There was a Lawrence Crane who was the godfather of one of John's
daughters,
Delia Bridget who md James Mahany (Mahony it is in Ireland)
michael md Elizabeth Duly ;James mdMary Reilly of Johnsville N.B.
richard md
hanna Donnelly ;Lizzie md John Allen Mc Donald; William md Mary Murphy;
Mary
Ann a spinster;Susan died young ; Lavina md Richard Murphy.
Lucy /Lavinia Smith Crane had Siblings:George, and Botsford Smith of
Fort
Fairfield .,Maine USA; Hepsy Smith.
If possible could you forward this information .
The names you showed don't appear to relate.to ours , but they will be
found
eventually .
A matter of time . That was my first hangup in genealogy and remains
so.
My husband's grandmother , Mary Ann Crain md Melvin Henry Williams in
New
Brunswick , (either records are at St Gabriel's or St John the
Evangelist
Catholic church , Bath , Woodstock , Johnsville, Jacksontown in the
Miramichi
region ) Several of these persons are bd. at Clearview Catholic
Cemetery in
New Brunswick , tho many lived as Crane/ Crain in Easton , Maine across
the
river. there is a small Catholic Church there, abandoned but kept up
Thanking you , Mrs Melvin Louis Williams (Odile)
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Date: Sat, 21 Apr 2001 16:40:23 PDT
From: Karen McElrath <K.McElrath@Queens-Belfast.AC.UK> | Block Address | Add to Address Book
Reply-to: K.McElrath@Queens-Belfast.AC.UK
Subject: Re: book: diocese of elphin
To: CRYAN-L@rootsweb.com
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Source: "Read Ireland" Information List (from Karen)
Book: The Diocese of Elphin: People, Places and Pilgrimage edited by
Francis
Beirne Hardback; 30.00 IEP / 41.50 USD / 17.50 UK; Columba; 403 pages,
with b/w
photos
"This book outlines the history of the Diocese of Elphin from Patrician
times
until the end of the second millennium. It is a compendium of
historical
detail on the thirty-eight parishes on the clergy and religious, and on
a
host of other aspects of the life of the diocese. The extensive
bibliography will be a treasure trove for historians, researchers,
students
and everyone interested in Irish ecclesiastical history. The Diocese
of
Elphin stretches from the bridge of Athlone to the bridge of Bunduff on
the
outskirts of Bundoran, and includes parts of Roscommon, Sligo and
Galway."
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Date: Mon,
23 Apr 2001 10:36:01 +0100 (BST)
From: Caoimhghin O Croidheain <caoimhghin@yahoo.com> | Block Address | Add to Address Book
Subject: Leaflet and Roscommon Herald microfilm
To: CRYAN-L@rootsweb.com
Hello everybody
I am slowly getting back into the family history
research after some moonths break. I am sending a
leaflet to around 70 Cryans in Ireland (copy below for
those interested in doing something similar with their
name variant)
Secondly I am going back to the Nat. LIbrary to
continue reading the Roscommon Herald for Cryan and
variants mentions, obits and stories. I have already
done 1888, 1889, and part of 1890 The notes have
partly been put on the List. I am now getting the
obits and stories (but not the mentions) copied from
the microfilm and am appealing to others for help in
putting the stories on the LIst. I can send the p/c to
whoever feels like transcribing/scanning the stories.
There isnt a huge amount of work. In 1888 there were
around 10 stories, mostly short.
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Regards
Caoimhghin
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Cryan Family History
Kevin Cryan (Caoimhghin O Croidheain)
email: caoimhghin@yahoo.com
website: geocities.com/caoimhghin
44 St. Columba's Rise, Swords, Co. Dublin
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The CRYAN-LIST on rootsweb.com is a great source of
information for Cryan researchers. Since early 1998
the List has been managed by Leslie Poche. For those
who are newcomers to the List and would like to find
out the contents of previous emails, the CRYAN-LIST
files for researchers on my website:
geocities.com/caoimhghin contain 95% of all the emails
posted since Leslie set up the List and come to around
700 pages of information in total. Remember the
CRYAN-LIST contains much information on many variants
of the O Croidheain surname: Croidheain,
Craigen/Creighan, Crawn/Craun, Crane, Crean, Craen,
Creen-e, Cre(a)g(h)an, Cre(a)han, Cro(u)ghan, Crain-e,
MacCroghan/McCrohan, Crowen, Cryan-s, Crion, Creyon,
Krine, Crine, Cryne, Crehen, Craheen
Copy the files into a Word document and use the Search
and Find command to find the surname variant you are
researching. Happy hunting!!
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I have researched the history of my own branch of the
Cryan family using resources in the National Library,
the National Archives, the Registry of Births,
Marriages and Deaths, Registry of Deeds, Military
Archives, Roscommon and Kerry County Libraries among
others.
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My great great grandfather, John Cryan, married
Margaret Dolan in Boyle, Co. Roscommon in 1858 and
spent his life in Croghan, about 5 miles south of
Boyle, working as a National School teacher (where he
is still remembered as Master Cryan) until his death
in 1906. From his age on his Death Certificate I
believe he was born around 1833 and a reference to a
family who had a son, John, at that time has been
found. This was a couple, John Cryan and Catherine
Drury, who married in 1829 in Croghan and had three
sons John (b.1833 in Boyle), James (b.1842 in Boyle)
and Patrick (b.1831 in Croghan). I do not know what
happened to Patrick and James. Does this information
sound familiar to you? Have you ever heard talk of a
Master Cryan in your family? Maybe these names have
been passed down through the generations as they have
in my family. Please let me know.
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Early History
According to E. MacLysaght (Irish Families)
(O)Cryan,Crynes are Co. Roscommon versions of Crean -
"O Crean,Crehan - According to MacFirbis, O Crean and
O Cregan are synonymous, Crehan being a variant of
Crean. In Irish Crean and Crehan are O Croidheain
(spelt O Craidhen by the Four Masters) ... These
families formed a minor sept of the Cineal Eoghan
belonging to Donegal, with a branch in the
neighbouring county of Sligo. They are twice mentioned
by the four Masters as wealthy merchants, ... in 1506
as of Donegal; in 1572 as of Sligo. The Clongowes
manuscript gives them a higher status : the then head
of the family was John O Crean of Ballynegare, and
inanother place in the manuscript O Crean of Annagh is
stated to have been one of the leading families of Co.
Sligo in the sixteenth century. According to the
"Annals of Loch Ce" the Bishop of Elphin in 1582 was
an O Crean, but he was "removed" in 1584. Father
Daniel O Crean (d. c. 1616) of Holy Cross, Sligo was
Provincial of the Dominican order in a period of
intensive persecution."
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Research Centres, Sites and References
There are references to the early Creans in Mary O
Dowd's book "Power, Politics and Land: Early Modern
Sligo 1568-1688"; M. Woodmartin's "History of Sligo"
and T. O Rourke's "History of Sligo - Town and
County".
If you would like to find out more about your own
family write to either The Sligo Heritage and
Genealogical Centre, Stephens St., Sligo or The
Roscommon Heritage and Genealogical Centre,
Strokestown, Co. Roscommon.
For a good general book on Irish genealogical
resources see John Grenham's Tracing your Irish
Ancestors, 2nd edition (Dublin, Gill & Macmillan 1992,
Baltimore, Genealogical Publishing Co., 1993)
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From: Karen McElrath <k.mcelrath@qub.ac.uk> | Block Address | Add to Address Book
Reply-to: k.mcelrath@qub.ac.uk
To: Caoimhghin O Croidheain <caoimhghin@yahoo.com>
Subject: Re: Leaflet and Roscommon Herald microfilm
Date: Mon, 23 Apr 2001 11:38:13 +0100 (GMT Daylight Time)
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Caoimhghin: i'd be happy to help you. just let me know how. i now
have a scanner but need to figure out how to scan documents
for html (as it stands, rootsweb does not accept attachments).
i will ask folks at this end how to scan for html, if you want
me to help in this manner. Karen
Date: Tue, 24 Apr 2001 12:15:57 +0100
Subject: Roscommon Herald microfilm
From: Pat Hunt <pathunt@indigo.ie> | Block Address | Add to Address Book
To: Caoimhghin O Croidheain <caoimhghin@yahoo.com>
Hi Caoimhghin
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I had a go at the Roscommon Herald for the years 1904 and 1905.
Unfortunately my eyes could not tolerate the strain. The quality is
terrible, I just kept seeing spots rather than print.
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My Master Thomas Cryan of Townabrack died on 15 September 1905. If
you
come across any reference to his when you get to that year. I could
find no
reference to his death, although the deaths of 'Masters' seemed to get
the
same status as that of a priest. I know Cryan lived in Co Sligo but the
Herald was always the paper of choice in that part of Sligo - proximity
to
Boyle, I guess was the reason.
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Best wishes,
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Pat Hunt
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From: Fatarm@aol.com | Block Address | Add to Address Book
Date: Tue, 24 Apr 2001 13:26:17 EDT
Subject: Re: Leaflet and Roscommon Herald microfilm
To: caoimhghin@yahoo.com
So you're sending this around Ireland? I've always meant to do
something
similar for the States. Maybe someone will beat me to it, but maybe
I'll
make it my summer project. I've just got to get my act together ...
you
inspire! BTW, you need not put my name into anything ... YOU were
really the
one who got it all started, I just deal with the administrative muck on
the
list. More like a secretary than an author. But feel free to give out
name/email/address or whatever folks would like. I'm obviously not
shy, and
don't mind being a contact person, just don't not want to be given
credit
where none is due. Would you post to the list any
conversations/responses
you receive? Might be interesting ...
Happy spring (we're at the end of the tulips, mid-dogwood bloom, and
just
beginning the azaleas -- I can't get my mind out of the garden!),
Leslie
From: Fatarm@aol.com | Block Address | Add to Address Book
Date: Tue, 24 Apr 2001 13:28:08 EDT
Subject: Re: new subscriber
To: caoimhghin@yahoo.com
Done (your cousin is subscribed). And, yes, why not post it. It's
always
interesting to read more about these random folks posted to the list.
Makes
it seem less like a list of names than a family history site, don't you
think?
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Date: Wed, 25 Apr 2001 10:49:30 +0100 (BST)
From: Caoimhghin O Croidheain <caoimhghin@yahoo.com> | Block Address | Add to Address Book
Subject: letters and papers
To: CRYAN-L@rootsweb.com
Hi y'all
I sent the 70 letters to Cryans in the
Roscommon/Sligo/Dublin areas. I will have to check the
other phone books to see if there are many in other
regions of Ireland. So we will have sit back and see
if it produces new members for the List.
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I have had offers of help from my cousin Lauri and
Karen re: Roscommon Herald so it shouldnt be too long
before the Cryan stories etc appear on your screens.
(I do look out for variants of Cryan but
extroardinarily enough I havnt come across any! Maybe
the Sligo papers of the time are full of Creans and no
Cryans?!?!?)
Regards
caoimhghin
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Date: Fri,
27 Apr 2001 11:42:05 +0100 (BST)
From: Caoimhghin O Croidheain <caoimhghin@yahoo.com> | Block Address | Add to Address Book
Subject: Re: Valentia roots
To: m.shanahan@ic.ac.uk
http://www.rootscomputing.com/howto/cousin/cousin.htm
http://www.rootsweb.com/~txrusk/relative.htm
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check out these 2 sites to find out how exactly we are
related and how far back you are willing to go!!
caomhghin
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From: "Grainne & Dirk Springael" <springael@compuserve.com> | Block Address | Add to Address Book
To: <caoimhghin@yahoo.com>
Subject: Cryan Family
Date: Thu, 26 Apr 2001 20:45:13 +0100
Hi Kevin,
I received your note today on the Cryan Family History, by co incidence I have here my fathers 'Frank Cryan' and cousin 'Louis Dockery's' notes on our family - Cryans
Boyle Cryans are 2nd cousins of my grandfathers.
I am Grainne Cryan, our family goes back as follows
Siblings: Frank (USA), Anne (Dublin) and Maria (Galway)
Parents : Frank Cryan and Mary Forde(Galway)
Franks siblings : Peter, James (Fr Peter), John (Fr Philip) and Maureen (Dublin)
Franks parents: Mary Begley (Glasgow) and Patrick Cryan (carrowreagh) (both deceased)
Patricks parents: Peter Cryan & Sara (?Carney)
Patricks siblings: Susan, Jack, Fr Peter, Mary Ann, Sister Peter and Frances
Peter Cryans parents:Nora Carney of Creevolan - Elphine &
Peter Cryans siblings: Michael, Luke, Martin, Pat, Sara, Anne, Bridget, Maggie, Kate, Winnie
Peters Cryans Childrens History :
Michael - died Young
Luke - died Young
Martin - Father of Martin, Willie, Josie (Clapp) Gretta (Polian), Evelyn (Tansey) Baby (Dufficy/Conry)
Peter - Father Susan (Dockery), Paddy, Jack, Fr Peter, Mary anne, Sister peter, Frances (died Young)
Pat - Father of Mai (Barrett), Niall (Kenny) Paddy, Jack (on the hill), Sam & willie both went to South America,
Sara - (Connellan mother of Pat)
Anne - (Keogh mother of Michael)
Bridget (Fitmaurice) mother of - son a teacher in Cavan - who had 3 sons - 1 a chemist in Dulbin - also a daughter a nun.
Maggie (Nolan)
Kate (Egan)
Winnie (Cummins)
kevin hope this is of some use to you
regards
Grainne and Frank(snr) Cryan
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From: "paul-mcvey" <paul-mcvey@msn.com> | Block Address | Add to Address Book
To: "Caoimhghin O Croidheain" <caoimhghin@yahoo.com>
Subject: Re: *New* old Cryan grave found!
Date: Fri,
27 Apr 2001 17:45:15 +0100
Hi
Your information regarding the 'new' old Cryan grave is fantastic. No,
Peter isn't buried in Glasnevin; that is his half-brother Robert, also
a
doctor. I did promise you a photo of Robert's grave. Unfortunately, I
can't find the copies I thought I had, but have now found the negatives
and
have taken them to be processed. They will be ready next Thursday, so
you
should get them the week after next. I can add nothing to FamSpack's
message, but have asked her to clear up a couple of points. (For
instance,
I had thought - but was not certain - that Robert Cryan's second wife
was
Mary Anne McDermott, not Mary Anne Ford.) I am certain I have your
address,
but in case not, or if you have moved, please confirm it. To return to
the
newly-found Daniel. There are no subsequent Daniels that I know of in
my
branch of the Cryans, which is a little puzzling, but I notice from the
Census of Elphin 1749, that on page 332, Ahrefinucan, Ardcarn parish,
there
are three Cryans listed: Tim Cryne and wife. Papist. Farmer. Two
children;
Dan Cryne and wife. Papist. Farmer. One child; Patt Cryne. Papist.
Farmer.
One child. [Source: Mr Peter Manning.] Whether there is any connection
here
I have no idea.
Thanks for having found my 4xgreat grandfather!
Regards
Paul.
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From: Melodi609@cs.com | Block Address | Add to Address Book
Date: Fri, 27 Apr 2001 16:37:42 EDT
Subject: Crain/Crane/Crehan
To: caoimhghin@yahoo.com, archives@brunnet.net
Can't get my husband's ancestors across the pond as they say! Where are
these
Crane/Crain Crehans from ?
These are our possible Creans O' somethings or other we hope to
connect
with eventually .William /Crane/Crain , a Roman Catholic b. Ireland c
1797
immigated 1819 lived in Wicklow Parish, CarletonParish , in 1851, there
in
1871 living with son James Crain and Mary Riley /Reilly Crain 1876.
Williams wife was Lavinia/Lucy/Lucinda Smith a Baptist, b 1800/1806,
Ireland
or New Brunswick. I saw once that a Lucy was from N.Y. I wonder .If my
memory
is correct in the Tarr story about these relations to the Mahany's ,
Lynches
, Fallons , Ladner, Tarrs etc., thru Delia Mahany Tarr's grandfather ,
John
Crain ,whose mother was Lucy/ Lavinia Smith that they were related to
distant cousins , Botsford Smith and George Smith of Fort Fairfield ,
Maine
and to a Hebsy Smith who would have been Delia's mother's aunt or
cousin. I
know some of the Easton , Maine Smiths seem to have N.Y. connection. I
will
follow that lead next summer in Maine.
Lucy is buried in Clearview Catholic Cemetery in New Brunswick. I have
seen a
picture of her with her grandaughter Mary Ann Crain Williams and the
Melvin
H. or Henry M. Williams ., Guy Joseph Mel's son and my Mel's father
and
siblings also in it. She wore a cap, someone said she was Scot. Lucy
's
husband William Crane is listed in Clearview Cemetery, N.B There are
no
dates so maybe he is bd elsewhere .
Children of William and Lucy were mostly baptized in 1839 and the
baptisms
are recorded in St Bruno's Catholic Church in Van Buren , Me. that may
have
been because of a missionary, one was baptized in 1840, I believe that
was
James and was the last one listed in the St. Bruno's record .
"John " born where? ca 1825 , md Ellen Phillips 8 Sept , 1850
Woodstock ,
N.B. records. She was the d/o Thomas Phillips and Bridget Gatsby
//Gatsely?.
Her father, Thomas Phillips operated a sawmill ,On the line in the St
John
record that says Immigration ,in what concern the Phillips is
written....Wicklow parish 1851 , 1861, 1871. John died 6 July 1897
@74,
Lucy died in March, 1905 and they are bd in Clearview, Catholic
Cemetery ,
N.B My husband 's grandmother ,was Mary Ann Crain wife of Melvin
Henry
Williams ., she was John and Ellen's child . The Crains and Williamses
and
many of these families lived in River de Chute , Easton , Maine and the
Catholic Church and Cemetery was across the River de Chute Stream.
I have info on this family of Williams and Mary Ann's siblings gotten
from
the Tarr narration by Delia Mahany Tarr.
Following are the other children of Lucy Smith and William Crane:
"William " b at Frederickton , St. Dunstan's, 3 aug 1828 was 1 yr 3
mos.
;he md Mary Murphy according to Delia Mahany Tarr .
More Records from St. John the Evangelist and St Gabriel's Catholic
Church
records. in New Brunswick have some of these families , one place was
Woodstock, can't recall other it may have been Johnsville.
"Elizabeth "b ca 1829 ,Tarr says she was a dressmaker md John Allen
McDonald
of Mars Hill , Me. ;
" Susanna "b ca 1831, (Susan says Tarr ,died young. ) ;
"Richard" b ca 1834, md Hannah Donnelly in 1868 at Johnsville , N.B.,
d
1908 ;
"Michael " b ca 1836 , md Elizabeth Duly says Tarr ; Diocese of
Saint
John-Archives , One Bayard Drive , St. John New Brunswick E2L 3L5
says Donley/Dooley in 1859 ;
"James " b ca 1840 md Mary Reilly(Riley says diocese) in 1868 , at
Johnsville ; died 14 March , 1927, bd. Clearview Cem. ;
" Mary Ann " b in Woodstock ,bapt. 23 Feb, 1843 (10 mos) She was
living
with Richard.& Ann 1871 After Hannah died she kept house for Richard
and
he young family; d 1924
There was another "Mary Ann " with same sponsors , Alfred and Mary
Ann
Murphy ,listed as bapt 24 july 1844, question of possibly two?
The diocese names that other again ,Mary Ann. I am wondering if she
may be
the next child listed by Tarr , in the Will and Lucy list of children
.That
would have been the last one who was a Lavina ,who md Richard Murphy .
The
mother Lucy / Lavinia / Lucinda ,.in those days , had she been baptized
Catholic , would have had to have a saints name and was Lavina one .
There was an added note by Delia Tarr about Lavina and Richard Murphy
. It
was that their only child Priscilla md to Thomas Mahany had a son,
Arthur ,who resembled his Grandfather Murphy who also had red hair.
We would like to know about relations across in Ireland.
At http://genconnect.rootsweb.com/gc/surnames/cra/CrainObits?post
I
have submitted more info on these families. My address in Maine is
Mrs.
Melvin L. Williams RR2 Box 1103 Belgrade, Maine ... Will be
here
until June 6 , 2001 return Oct.15. don't know when we will get
computer in
Maine.
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From: "paul-mcvey" <paul-mcvey@msn.com> | Block Address | Add to Address Book
To: "Caoimhghin O Croidheain" <caoimhghin@yahoo.com>
Subject: Re: *New* old Cryan grave found!
Date: Fri,
27 Apr 2001 23:29:29 +0100
Hi,
KevinYes, of course you can put it on the cryan-list. I notice that grave
contains five people, so is probably full. It is therefore a good bet
that
there is another Cryan grave nearby, containing the body of Mary Anne,
Robert Cryan senior's second wife, from whom I am descended.
Incidentally, since mailing you I have come across a letter I received
in
1992 from a lady named Teresa Flynn, from Castlerea. Inter alia she
writes
that "...a lot of the old Cryans are buried in the very old part of the
Assylin graveyard." So, who knows? There may be other, as yet
undiscovered
gravestones.
One final thing: do you know if Belinda and Bridget are forms of the
same
name? I know that Brid is the Irish for Bridget, but I don't know what
the
Irish for Belinda would be. Having written that, I would be extremely
surprised if Irish was this family's first language, even at the
beginning
of the nineteenth century. If the two names are in fact the same, then
I'm
still one sibling short in the case of my 2xgreat grandmother!
Regards
Paul.
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Reply-to: "FamSpack" < >
From: "FamSpack" < > | Block Address | Add to Address Book
Subject: Cryan deaths in Co Durham
Date: Sat, 28 Apr 2001 09:53:24 +0100
To: CRYAN-L@rootsweb.com
Hi Shelly Jill and anyone interested in England !
Following my last email in February you may be interested in this entry
that
I found in the new National Burial Index for England and Wales.(this is
the
first edition and does not cover the whole country. CDs for the rest
will
gradually be issued. There is nothing for the whole of Liverpool ! etc.
However there are 5million burials on the CDs)
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3 Sept 1885 John James CRYAN 10 mths, Hartlepool Old Cemetery, Co
Durham
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This looks very like the same John James that I gave to you as born
1884 4th
quarter in Hartlepool
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Thus it is not you John............ sorry..........so the other is a
stronger possibility !
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Of general interest.... one other death appears in Co Durham
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1 Oct 1871 James Cryan 2 Hartlepool Old Cemetery Co Durham
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Eve
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Date: Sat,
28 Apr 2001 12:06:56 +0100 (BST)
From: Caoimhghin O Croidheain <caoimhghin@yahoo.com> | Block Address
Subject: Roscommon Herald 1889
To: caoimhghin@yahoo.com
Roscommon Herald 1889
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1889
Jan 12
Keash BINL
P.Cryan
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Jan 19
Croghan BINL
Killapogue
James Cryan
(also large list of Croghan inhabitants)
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Knockroe Lower
Pat Cryan
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Jan 26
Carigeenroe BINL
Bryan Cryan
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Feb 2
Croghan BINL
Pat Cryan
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Feb 23
Carrick-on-Shannon
Meeting to the Board
John Cryan
Ref to mTeachers”
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Apr 13
Drumlion BINL
Luke Cryan
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May 4
Carrick-on-Shannon Union
mLabourers Cottages”
John Cryan
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May 11
Keash BINL
J. Cryan
Occupied the chair
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May 18
Carrick-on-Shannon Union
mLabourers Cottages”
John Cryan
Building contractor? (finishing Jamestown School)
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INL
Sligo organising Committee
J. Cryan - Keash
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June 1
Keash BINL
J. Cryan
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Croghan BINL
Pat Cryan
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Apr 20
John Cryan of Carrick tendered to build 4 cottages
Cos union
s.a. May 4
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June 15
Roscommon county champ
P. Cryan Capt of Cootehall Team
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Jul 13
J M Cryan
Keash BINL
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Croghan
Knockroe
Pat Cryan
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South Sligo organising committee
Keash /dom k cryan
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July 20
COS tournament
Final ties goal umpire
R J Cryan
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Aug 3
John Cryan
COS union
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Aug 17
COS annual regatta
R. Cryan
J. Cryan jnr
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Keash BINL
J m Crayn
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Aug 31
Keash
P Cryan
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Sep 28
John Cryan
COS union board
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Keash
J M Cryan
Co Sligo
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Oct 5
Cootehall regatta and athletic sports
One mile foot race
Peter Cryan
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Oct 12
Ros. Co. Championships
Field Umpires
Cryan
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Nov 2
Ad for Brazen Head
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Date: Sat, 28 Apr 2001 12:07:56 +0100 (BST)
From: Caoimhghin O Croidheain <caoimhghin@yahoo.com> | Block Address
Subject: Roscommon Herald 1890
To: caoimhghin@yahoo.com
Roscommon Herald 1890
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Jan 11
COS J Cryan
Builder
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Boyle BINL
James Cryan
John Cryan
Donations
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Feb 8
BINL
Full page of names
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Drumlion BINL
John Cryan
Patrick Cryan
Luke Cryan
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Apr 19
COS union
John Cryan
Builder
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Reply-to: "FamSpack" < >
From: "FamSpack" < > | Block Address | Add to Address Book
Subject: Ardcarn Graves and other things
Date: Sat, 28 Apr 2001 21:11:03 +0100
To: CRYAN-L@rootsweb.com
A quick reply to Pat and Paul especially but to others interested
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I have been "collecting" all the CRYANs that I can find since about
1997 and
putting them into a dataset. Most of my data comes from the actual
parish
registers which I am searching for my Daniel b 1844ish with father
John. I
write down all the CRYANs that I see. (I was born a CRYAN so it is my
major
interest)
Being an adict I have also found most useful and have bought a number
of CDs
such as the VS or Vital Statistics of the LDS (Paul asked about this)
They
have extracts from some parish registers including Boyle but not Keash
or
Ballymote and extracts from the General Registers after 1864(when they
start).
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From the various sources I have been able to link together all the
children
with the same parents and with additional information that Caoimhghin
gave
from deeds and documents concerning wills, if I remember correctly, was
able
to link the two families.
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I will give you all the "c" dates/christening as apposed to "b"
dates/birth,
eventually but am due to go away so will do it next week.
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I have quite a dynasty with dates for the reply to Caoimhghin's letter
from
Grainne and Frank Cryan in this morning's mail - if he can get them to
join
the newsgroup but that will have to be next week too.
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Also I have started the 1901 census for Co Sligo and soon the first
fruits
will appear - Keash parish (part) and others !!
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Thank you to everyone who writes . It is getting exciting again.
Eve
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