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FamSpack" < > From: "FamSpack" < > | To: "Caoimhghin O Croidheain" <caoimhghin@yahoo.com> Subject: Re: hi Date: Mon, 2 Oct 2000

Hi , Thanks for your email. No I have not received anything since the 13 Sept. I think that people are mailing each other off the list. I know that there has been a conversation between all the Lowell Cryans , one of which I have had contact with recently. The last email I received through the list was from that conversation. One thing that folk have asked me about, is the Cryan meeting that was to have taken place in about June. Did it ? What Happened ? I am intrigued. Perhaps ,if you have time to write something it could be put in a way that invites response by others and gets the Cryan dialogue started again. Are you still usually at the address in Swords ? I know that you have been away. I have something to send that MAY be of interest and I would like you to get it, and it not spend time chasing from address to address. About my search.....do you know anything about Culleenatreen/Flagford area and the civil parish of Killumnod ? I know you have connections with Croghan which is not far away. I have found a death registered in Carrick-on -Shannon which fits my criteria and may be gggrandpa. When I have finished my current set of films at the LDS I shall look at the parish records in the hope they are not too faded to see........I ought to put this on the list. Until again Eve ----- Original Message ----- From: Caoimhghin O Croidheain <caoimhghin@yahoo.com> To: FamSpack < > Sent: Sunday, October 01, 2000 9:44 AM Subject: hi Hi Eve The list is very quiet at the moment and I think that maybe the problem is my end. Are you gettting mail? caoimhghin

FamSpack" < > From: "FamSpack" < > | Date: Mon, 2 Oct 2000 09:36:46 +0100 Subject: [CRYAN] Fw: [IRL-SLIGO] Co. Sligo Web-site

Hi all, You are VERY quiet at the moment !!!!!!!!! This website may be of interest to those who come from the NW of o Sligo. I notice that the writer is interested in the name FARRIS and I know that there are CRYAN/FARRIS links from this area. I hope that this produces something useful Eve ----- Original Message ----- From: Brenda Williams <brendapw@lineone.net> To: <IRL-SLIGO-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Sunday, October 01, 2000 9:06 PM Subject: [IRL-SLIGO] Co. Sligo Web-site Hi List, I would like to invite you to take a look at my web-site that has had a lot added to it - as well as many more in the Kilglass Parish I have now included some births from Easky Parish and Skreen & Dromard Parishes. Also from Castleconnor Parish I have listed some Births and Marriages. This site has a lot of information on it and will continually be added to as I research the Kilglass Parish & surrounding parishes for my family names. Take a look on: http://www.puregolduk.com/bren/kilglass_co_sligo1.htm Brenda researching: FARRIS/HANDLY(HANLEY/HANLY) from Culleens & surrounding area, Co. Sligo. also HEGARTY & KEARNEY originally from Ireland (don't know where yet) FARRIS/HEGARTY in Scotland RHODES/LINDLEY in West Yorkshire, England P.S. I will eventually be including my Scottish & my English family names to the site - along with other names that I collect along the way.

FamSpack" < > From: "FamSpack" < > | Date: Mon, 2 Oct 2000 09:52:38 +0100 Subject: [CRYAN] Questions - can you help?

Hi all, The list is so quiet, that I thought this could stimulate some replies - TO THE LIST - and keep the dialogue going. I sent the following in answer to some questions Perhaps others could help to answer the questions and fill in the gaps that I could not. ................. To answer your questions 1 Irish Roots magazine - I have seen issues of it but do not possess any - perhaps you could ask about subscriptions on the CRYAN website. Just send your message/question to CRYAN-L@rootsweb.com . I personally have so much to do that magazines just get in the way and add to our gigantic storage problems. 2 Sligo Abbey - my brother visited the place a years or so ago and brought back a guide with photographs and said the tomb was still there though the Abbey really a Friary is ruined but with walls still standing. 3 As far as I know my CRYAN Family all came to England where I now live.I know all the descendent of those who came to England but can not find where they came from. That is why I am going through the parish records one by one. But thank you so much for the offer of help, it was a kind thought. I will keep it in mind as one never knows. There are other lines that I am persuing that each have one family member who "crossed the pond" - but that is not so interesting as the CRYANs. 4 For John P CRYAN born 1875 son of Bridget and Michael, I wonder had you lookedat the LDS film of Ballaghadereen parish registers that I am sure that I have mentioned before. I only extracted details of CRYANs up to 1870. I am sure that you can find more about your family and about the FOLEY parents and family that I did not even look at. It is also so exciting to look at the original entries even though they are on film.. >From the Irish Indexes to the regitration of Births there are only 2 John CRYANs registered in 1875 John Sligo index number 7.338 John Boyle 9.106.... this is the more likely in 1874 there 4 registered John Tobercurry.........14.529 John Boyle .............14.82 John Boyle ...............19.89 John Boyle ................4.106 Take your pick as none have a second name. I think that I would check the parish registers first before sending for a b irth certificate. 5 Immigration or Naturalisation would seem to be a good start for entry into the USA. However,have you looked at the Ellis Island Website ? You may find something on the "Wall" but I am not sure whether it includes people who went to Boston.i do know that there are CRYANs there. 6 No,I do not have details about mystic wells but I do have a book which gives Holy Wells which were places of pilgrimage in Co Sligo 7 Have you looked a the ARCHIVES of the CRYAN newsgroup as there is lots of stuff there of the type of item 6 that was discussed in the past .............................. DOES ANYONE on the list have the URL for the Group ARCHIVES ? Happy Hunting, until again Eve

<ariley@ltp.org> From: "A. Riley" <ariley@linux.ltp.org> | Date: Tue, 3 Oct 2000 10:41:11 -0500 Subject: [CRYAN] [CRYAN-L] Mark Cryan/Crane/Crain

Here's an update on our research -- and if anyone has any other clues to add, we'll be grateful! Our ancestor, Atty McDonough Cryan, brought her children (all baptized at Taunagh parish, 1826-1844), to Boston in June 1848 aboard the Epaminondas. We've heard that her brother-in-law Mark Cryan/Crane/Crain, had come to the states earlier. Now we have a little more info on the brother-in-law but not much! According to his gravestone in Eldorado, Wisconsin, in the same cemetery as Atty and many of her children, next to the little church whose land was bought by Atty's son Patrick, Mark Crain was born in 1805, died February 12, 1880, age 75. He was married to Winnifred Lang, who died January 16, 1899, age 66 -- so she was born 1833, quite a bit younger than her husband. They had two daughters who died in childhood: Mary died March 20, 1864, age 7 (so born 1857), and Sarah died March 23, 1864, age 3 (born 1861). Mark and Winnifred had a son Mark who married Nellie Bluitt, an Eldorado neighbor, November 24, 1897. That's what little we know! But that gives us more clues to help us confirm John and Mark's people back in Ireland. Eve on this list and some researchers on the Leitrim Roscommon website have contributed information, and here's what we have. Notice the name Lucas for the the father in these baptisms -- There aren't any Lukes in later generations, and that's what gives me that bit of doubt. But if anyone who has these CDs can confirm a Mark born to Lucas and Winifred Crien, that'll clinch it. -- Here's John's baptism. CRIEN, Joannes Christening Sex: Male Christening Date: 16 May 1804 Recorded in: Roman Catholic, Aghanagh, Sligo, Ireland Father: Lucas CRIEN Mother: Winefrida BRENAN Source: FHL Number 989739 Dates: 1803-1864 -- A brother for John! I wish the first name was there! CRIEN, Christening Sex: Male Christening Date: 11 Apr 1807 Recorded in: Roman Catholic, Aghanagh, Sligo, Ireland Father: Lucas CRIEN Mother: Winifreda BRENAN Source: FHL Number 989739 Dates: 1803-1864 -- Here's Atty's baptism. MC DONOUGH, Aracte Christening Sex: Female Christening Date: 4 Jul 1804 Recorded in: Roman Catholic, Aghanagh, Sligo, Ireland Father: Timotheus MC DONOUGH Mother: Aracte WALSH Source: FHL Number 989739 Dates: 1803-1864 -- A sister for Atty! MC DONAGH, Anna Christening Sex: Female Christening Date: 27 Feb 1817 Recorded in: Roman Catholic, Aghanagh, Sligo, Ireland Father: Timotheus MC DONAGH Mother: Attia WALSH Source: FHL Number 989739 Dates: 1803-1864 -- Here's John & Atty's marriage. CRYAN, Johanem Marriage Wife: Aractam MCDONAGH Marriage Date: 14 Mar 1825 Recorded in: Roman Catholic, Boyle, Roscommon, Ireland Source: FHL Number 989743 Dates: 1792-1863 Thanks for all the help, cousins Another proud descendant of Atty McDonough Cryan A. Riley

Fatarm@aol.com | Date: Thu, 5 Oct 2000 09:44:12 EDT Subject: [CRYAN] Fwd: [IRL-SLIGO] Back from Sligo-O'CREAN Search

Resent-Sender: IRL-SLIGO-L-request@rootsweb.com X-Mailer: Unknown To all, Thanks for all the input I received regarding my trip last weekend to Sligo -especially Jim McDonald, Paul Burns and Kieran Devanny (sorry I missed you at Hargadons for lunch. John & Neal took good care of me though!). All reports I received about Sligo were true to form. From a research standpoint on the O'CREAN's I got a lot of information. Fr. Cunningham (Dominican Friary)gave me excerpts from their forthcoming book on the history of the Abbey and the O'CREAN influence and gave me a VERY personal tour of the Abbey; explaining all the rooms to me. Paul Gunning hooked up with me and brought references from sources I would never have thought of which had incredible detail. By the way, although Paul and I hooked up at Hargadon's, he also gives a walking tour of Sligo for anyone interested. Even the owner of Mullaney's gave me a rundown on O'CREAN property nearby. My personal search took two turns. First, I found a grave in the Abbey which had never been recorded or marked where Capt John Crean erected a stone in 1743 for his father Dominic & mother Mary. This is not the same Capt John Crean of rebellion fame. The curators were very pleased with that. Second, working with the Heritage Center, we found NO records on my great-grandfather's birth or marriage - at least in County Sligo. Theresa was very helpful and we tried every avenue to get some information. This takes this part of my research back to Belfast to check out the 1901 census to see where Ggranddad Patrick lists his place of origin. While I had thought it was SLIGO, I also recall an 82yr old cousin in New Zealand mentioning Dromahair (which is in Leitrim). The search goes on... Thanks again to all. Sean O'Crean

Fatarm@aol.com | Date: Thu, 5 Oct 2000 09:47:08 EDT Subject: [CRYAN] Fwd: Re: IRL-SLIGO-D (Crean)

Resent-Sender: IRL-SLIGO-L-request@rootsweb.com Sean check out Tipperary My family are Dwyer/Dyer Stonemasons of Tipperary who were evicted and sent to Sligo in Cromwell's time. They finally settled in townland Crummy, parish Kiltubbrid, Leitrim. I think they originally came from Doon, Tipperary. A Crean was a witness to a Dwyer baptism. Check this out...go to Rootsweb.com and search "New England Dyer Connection" When Frank Dyer's page comes up it is mostly of English Dyers but scroll down the first page and you will come to Irish Dyers...Tom Dyer is my cousin. Check out all his baptisms and marriages and you will find Crean in Tipperary.

Fatarm@aol.com | Date: Fri, 6 Oct 2000 19:39:10 EDT Subject: [CRYAN] Fwd: crean

Sean. I liked the interesting information that i have just read, as regards the Crean family. Why you may ask. Well my G.Grand father was John Crean, his first daughter Jane became my grand mother. John Crean was born in County Kerry, he later joined the army [ 64th at foot] Attained the rank of quarter master sergeant. Served in the Persian Campaign, then the Indian mutiny, then after all that, they arrived in New Zealand. He married in India, Elizabeth George, his age was 32, hers 14. they had 13 children, there second child Jane, became my grand mother. so as you can see i am interested in any Crean history. I haven't yet managed find out who his parents were [ his army records stated it was the Parish of Kilgobban]. Keep up those interesting storeys. Barry Molloy.

Fatarm@aol.com | Date: Fri, 6 Oct 2000 19:56:25 EDT Subject: [CRYAN] S.Dublin newspaper & request for reading suggestions

I came across this local paper website for S. Dublin. It includes an

article

about a book describing life in the first part of this century in that

city.

I thought I'd pass it on in case anyone else might be interested. <A

HREF="http://www.southsidepeople.ie/features.htm#F1">Southside

Features</A>

or http://www.southsidepeople.ie/features.htm#F1

In addition, I just finished the sequel to 'Angela's Ashes', "'Tis" by

Frank McCourt, and was wondering if anyone could point me towards similar

auto- or just plain ole biographies. I'm trying to get a better understanding

of what life was like during my great Grandmother's early life in Ireland (late

nineteenth century to World War I). Any suggestions would be welcome. Thanks all, Leslie

X-Original-Sender: caoimhghin@yahoo.com Sat Oct 7 00:36:36 2000 Message-ID: <20001007073642.6266.qmail@web2305.mail.yahoo.com>

Hi I have done some search on this site but it is not comprehensive so do go through all the links if you have people from theis area. caoimhghin http://www.puregolduk.com/bren/kilglass_co_sligo1.htm Whilst researching my Irish Family, more particularly in the Kilglass Parish, I collected lots of names that were directly connected to them FARRIS James 6 Jan 1867 Car????tenan William FARRIS & Catherine CREAN Austin CREAN & Kitty FARRIS FARRIS Honor 5 Jan 1870 Cloonenmore William FARRIS & Catherine CREAN James MURRAY & Honor McGOWAN FARRIS Charles John 26 April 1873 Cooga William FARRIS & Catherine CREAN Hugh McGOWAN & Anne KENNY FARRIS Michael 23 Jan 1875 Cloonenmore William FARRIS & Catherine CREAN Thomas BARRET & Anne BARRET FARRIS Thomas Tawnalaughta William FARRIS & Catherine CREAN FARRIS Mary Anne 2 Mar 1881 Cooga William FARRIS & Catherine CREAN Charles FARRIS & Thomas CARDEN FARRIS Margaret 25 Jun 1884 Cooga William FARRIS & Catherine CREAN Patrick McGOWAN & Catherine CRYAN http://www.puregolduk.com/bren/kilglass_co_sligo3.htm CARROLL James 29 Mar 1844 - L-Haur ? William CARROLL & Anne GORDON James CREAN & Winifred CREAN CREAN (looks like Inona) 3 June 1872 - Balliogan Andora CREAN & Maria LEONARD Michael GILROY & Maria FLYAN CREAN Margaret 11 Oct 1838 - Balliogan Patrick CREAN & Mary BOURKE William RAFTER & Cecilia CREAN CREAN Anne 17 Feb 1841 - Balliogan Patt CREAN & Mary BOURKE John COGGINS & Mary COGGINS CREAN Mary 29 July 1843 - Balliogan Patt CREAN & Mary BOURKE William BOURKE & Bridget BOURKE CREAN Catherine 8 July 1851 - Balliogan Patt CREAN & Mary BOURKE Michael WEIR & Mary BOURKE CREAN John 27 May 1855 - Balliogan Patrick CREAN & Mary BOURKE James CARTY & Anne RAFTER CREAN Mary 29 Oct 1847 - I - Labite Austin CREAN & Libby HARRISON Patt HARRISON & Margaret MELVIN BATTLE Catherine 26 Oct 1879 Mingnare Michael BATTLE & Winifred CREAN Patrick DONEGAN & Mary CREAN 24 January marriage 1874 BATTLE Michael & Winifred CREAN Manginan/Corbally Thomas BATTLE & Winifred CULLEN 18 February 1871 BEST Michael & Anne CREANE Tournane/Mingware Betty CONMY & Anne BIGLANE 12 February 1861 CREANE Patt & Mary TIMBLIN Kilgannan/Knockbrach John MORAN & Anne TIMBLIN 13 February 1877 DURKAN John & Winifred CREANE Kilgarvin/Mingware James JUDGE & Margaret BARRINS 18 February 1871 EGAN Michael & Winifred CREANE Kilnane Moy/Mingware William GILLESPIE & Mary O'HORA 18 February 1866 KELLY Thomas & Mary CREANE Kilmansholgan/Mingware John GALLAGHER & Mary FOODY 25 Sept 1844 CREAN Patrick & Mary SWEENY Michael EGAN & Anne KILVINE Frankford 25 January 1866 FARRIS William & Catherine CREAN Thomas EGAN & Celia CONMY Culleens/Tawnalaughta

RoCryan@aol.com | Date: Sat, 7 Oct 2000 22:13:23 EDT Subject: [CRYAN] request for reading suggestions

Hi Leslie, Karen Murphy (Voltene) noted that a Dr. Crean attended an

ill and

subsquently murded

Bridget Cleary in 1895, Tippareary. I just received the book through

Amazon.com

THE BURNING OF BRIDGET CLEARY

A True Storyby Angela BourkeViking

disturbing but certainly clear in it's dipiction of late ninteenth

century life in Ireland.

<S> Rosalie

Sun, 8 Oct 2000 00:51:53 PDT From: Karen McElrath <K.McElrath@Queens-Belfast.AC.UK> | Reply-to: K.McElrath@Queens-Belfast.AC.UK Subject: [CRYAN] Re: reading suggestions

In addition, I just finished the sequel to 'Angela's Ashes', "'Tis" by Frank > McCourt, and was wondering if anyone could point me towards similar auto- or > just plain ole biographies. I'm trying to get a better understanding of what > life was like during my great Grandmother's early life in Ireland (late > nineteenth century to World War I). Any suggestions would be welcome. > > Thanks all, Leslie > leslie: for a fairly thorough list of great books on ireland check out: http://larkspirit.com/bookshop/index2.html cheers, karen

FamSpack" < > From: "FamSpack" < > | Date: Sun, 8 Oct 2000 10:01:44 +0100 Subject: [CRYAN] Re: [IRL-SLIGO] Back from Sligo-O'CREAN Search

Information from the Index to the National Registers of Ireland All the following are born in or near Belfast ie in Ulster 1867 - Margaret Creen - Downpatrick index number 1.566 Richard Creen - Downpatrick 6.647 male Creen - Downpatrick 11.558 1868 - Archibald Creen - Banbridge 11.233 Arthur Creen -Belfast 16.260 Isabella Creen - Belfast 6.341 1869 James Creen - Downpatrick 11.555 James Creen - Downpatrick 11.555 female Creen - Downpatrick 16.549 1876 Francis Joseph John Cryan - Belfast 11.403 1877 Annie Creen - Banbridge 6.236 Thomas Creen - Belfast 16.278 William Creen - Downpatrick 1.571 1879(3) William Creen - Downpatrick 1.520 (4) Ashley Creen - Banbridge 1.207 1892(3) Stephen Patrick Cryan - Middleton(poss.in Ulster) 4.571 there are also some from Ballyshannon and from Mohill which possibly would serve Drumahair co Leitrim as registry offices NB 1 I have not extracted all the variants of the CRYAN name for all the years, so there may well be others. 2 At this period and at other stages the spelling written depends on the ears of the writer. Ofter names are written phonetically and an accent , as undoubtably all our ancestor had would give a different spelling depending on where they came from and where they happened to be. KEEP AN OPEN MIND AS TO THE SPELLING - how your name is now may be a sheer accident. I have seen in the parish registers CRYAN,CRIEN ,KRIEN, CREAN and even CRION all for the same family. I am pretty sure that it was the possession of documents that fixed the spelling and often became an accident. Prior to that it was "as heard". 3 Place is often a telling locator for a family especially where there are few. Hence the above. Happy hunting Eve ----- Original Message ----- From: Sean Crean <sfcrean@yahoo.com> To: <IRL-SLIGO-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Thursday, September 28, 2000 11:45 AM Subject: [IRL-SLIGO] Back from Sligo-O'CREAN Search To all, Thanks for all the input I received regarding my trip last weekend to Sligo -especially Jim McDonald, Paul Burns and Kieran Devanny (sorry I missed you at Hargadons for lunch. John & Neal took good care of me though!). All reports I received about Sligo were true to form. From a research standpoint on the O'CREAN's I got a lot of information. Fr. Cunningham (Dominican Friary)gave me excerpts from their forthcoming book on the history of the Abbey and the O'CREAN influence and gave me a VERY personal tour of the Abbey; explaining all the rooms to me. Paul Gunning hooked up with me and brought references from sources I would never have thought of which had incredible detail. By the way, although Paul and I hooked up at Hargadon's, he also gives a walking tour of Sligo for anyone interested. Even the owner of Mullaney's gave me a rundown on O'CREAN property nearby. My personal search took two turns. First, I found a grave in the Abbey which had never been recorded or marked where Capt John Crean erected a stone in 1743 for his father Dominic & mother Mary. This is not the same Capt John Crean of rebellion fame. The curators were very pleased with that. Second, working with the Heritage Center, we found NO records on my great-grandfather's birth or marriage - at least in County Sligo. Theresa was very helpful and we tried every avenue to get some information. This takes this part of my research back to Belfast to check out the 1901 census to see where Ggranddad Patrick lists his place of origin. While I had thought it was SLIGO, I also recall an 82yr old cousin in New Zealand mentioning Dromahair (which is in Leitrim). The search goes on... Thanks again to all. Sean O'Crean

Sun, 8 Oct 2000 02:31:15 -0700 (PDT) From: Caoimhghin O Croidheain <caoimhghin@yahoo.com> | Subject: [CRYAN] hi

Hi I was very interested in your trip to Sligo and was wondering if you could put some more of the information you found on the cryan-list as the cryan/crean researchers would find it very difficult to make a similar journey due to all sorts of constraints. for example do you know the name of the book and when it will be published? and where exactly is the 1743 Crean grave? is it near the o'crean monument or in the grounds? We are all very interested in finding out as much as possible and appreciate very much the work you have done. caoimhghin

Sun, 8 Oct 2000 02:37:11 -0700 (PDT) From: Caoimhghin O Croidheain <caoimhghin@yahoo.com> | Subject: [CRYAN] kilglass

Sun, 8 Oct 2000 02:53:42 -0700 (PDT) From: Caoimhghin O Croidheain <caoimhghin@yahoo.com> | Subject: [CRYAN] emcry11

Hi I have uploaded the latest collection of emails on my site (emcry11) geocities.com/caoimhghin That is now 670 pages on my computer! Keep up the good work everybody... regards caoimhghin

From: Cay145@aol.com | Date: Sun, 8 Oct 2000 16:20:17 EDT Subject: [CRYAN] interesting site

http://www.moytura.com/sligo.htm

This site is very enjoyable to browse through for history and

pictures,etc.

You've probably already seen it, but I just wanted to point it

out.....in

case......Dottie:)

Cay145@aol.com | Date: Mon, 9 Oct 2000 21:35:46 EDT Subject: [CRYAN] sligo abbey

http://www.heritageireland.ie/en/frontpage.html This site has a small pix of Sligo Abbey. The people that manage the Sligo Tourist site sent this to me after my request to view the O'Crean altar . I assume that the small picture in the middle may be it. Dottie

Cay145@aol.com | Date: Thu, 12 Oct 2000 19:16:40 EDT Subject: [CRYAN] Crean listed on a site here

Hello, http://home.att.net/`labaths/debtors.htm I went to Debtors of Daniel Croghan....after searching for a Green family member of a friend of mine. I found John and Henry Crean. Somebody else has probably mentioned this at one time or another, but just in case....Dottie Here's another one. Irish marriages: site is same except after labaths/irish_marriages.htm CREAN Crean, Judith=Crofton, John Edw. 1780 p. 232

Fatarm@aol.com | Date: Fri, 13 Oct 2000 16:17:17 EDT Subject: Re: [CRYAN] emcry11

Keep up the good work, Caoimhghin! Wow! 670 pages is enough for

several

"tomes"! It's great of you to have put it all up! -Leslie

FamSpack" < > From: "FamSpack" < > | Block address Date: Wed, 25 Oct 2000 01:11:53 +0100 Subject: [CRYAN] Dominick plus CRYAN variant

Hi all - This may be of interest to some, if it has not already been found..........especially Anthony......... Many times have I said that, one must not have a fixed idea of the spelling of a name in the past one must ................. "listen to the documents speak" Just found in the Griffiths Valuation Survey of about 1860 for Co Sligo Dominick CRINE of Co Sligo....Kilfree parish....Moygara townland....yes this is the spelling Happy hunting to all- Eve

Voltene@aol.com | Block address Date: Tue, 24 Oct 2000 21:19:33 EDT Subject: [CRYAN] Lowell(MA) Daily News

A short mention in the Personals ... Lowell Daily News, 28 May 1892 "Among the passengers on the Cunard steamship Scythia, which arrived in Boston this week, was Maggie Cryan, sister of Thomas E. Cryan, formerly compositor on THE NEWS, but now of the Arena. She enjoyed her trip exceedingly." I believe the Thomas E. Cryan mentioned is the son of Michael and Mary (Welch) Cryan. He married Delia Sullivan in 1892. And this Margaret Cryan married John J. O'Connor in 1908 in Lowell. There were three other siblings, Rose (Cryan) O'Sullivan and Joseph F. Cryan and Michael J. Cryan. Karen Murphy

Tscrya@aol.com | Block address Date: Fri, 27 Oct 2000 19:36:11 EDT Subject: Re: [CRYAN] Lowell(MA) Daily News

Hi Karen,

The Margaret Cryan that this article was written about was my aunt.

Thomas E. Cryan was my grandfather.

This fills in a little more of the family history that I didn't know

about. I

only knew that my grandfather worked on trolleys for the Eastern Mass

Street

Railway.

Thank you for the information.

Tom Cryan - Lowell, MA

RSchmidtBa@aol.com | Block address Date: Sun, 29 Oct 2000 11:00:32 EST Subject: CRYAN

Hi Kevin,

I have been doing genealogy for about 10 years but have always stayed

away

from researching several of my wife's Irish families because of the

lack of

documentation. However I recently found a connection in Waterford

(HANNIGAN)

and we have decided to spend some time next fall in Ireland and will do

some

research.

One of the names is CRYAN and from the Householder's Index it appears

Roscommon would be the logical place to research. I volunteer at a

Mormon

Family History Center, so I will do as much research as possible using

their

films. But I think parish records are my only real hope and they are

not

filmed.

The family is JOHN CRYAN who was married to MARY GROARK before 1854

when

their first child was born in Bloomfield, NJ. Their ages vary on

different

documents, but he was born about 1825 and she about 1835 in Ireland. In

1900

she reportedly came to the US in 1850. His parents were TIMOTHY &

MARGARET

CRYAN.

As you can see I have little info on which to start research.

Any suggestions you may have would be appreciated.

Bob

Karen McElrath <k.mcelrath@qub.ac.uk> | Block address Reply-to: k.mcelrath@qub.ac.uk Date: Tue, 31 Oct 2000 16:39:09 +0000 (GMT Standard Time) To: CRYAN-L@rootsweb.com Subject: Unidentified subject!

I have just received a new book "In Their Own Words: The Famine in North Connacht, 1845-1849" by Liam Swords, Columba Press, 1999). Has anyone read it? It is about 500 pages, and full of transcribed material from victims and observers (Sligo and Mayo). It is a "heavy read" largely because of the accounts of starvation and disease. I'll make notes of any Cryans as I come across them and forward to the list later. Cheers, Karen

John Sheerin" <jsheerin@erols.com> | Block address Date: Sat, 11 Nov 2000 10:43:02 -0500 Subject: [CRYAN] Visiting Ireland!!

Cryan Researchers!!!!

I hope this email finds you and your lovely families

all in good health. We are all fine here in Annapolis MD.

I must apologize for not re-subscribing any

sooner but time seemed to have gotten away from

me and I been having some problems with my "old"

486 computer. I guess I'll have to buy a new one.

We had a great time visiting family and friends in

Ireland. Meeting Michael Tobin in Galway was great.

We shared a couple of pints together!!!!

While in Boyle, Co. Roscommon, my cousin took us

to the Library in Boyle, where we looked through the

1901 Census for Ireland.

We then visited the two Catholic Cemeteries. The old

cemetery is called " Assylin" and across the small dirt

road is the new cemetery. By the way, there is

no one who is responsible for keeping the records on who

is buried in either cemetery, nor anyone who maintains them.

However, there is one gentleman, who opens up the

cemetery for burials.

It's up to the owners of the lots to maintain their own family

grave site, i.e. cutting the grass, etc. In addition, in the old

cemetery I saw a lot of gravestones that fell on the ground,

some were broken and if the owners of each lot don't pick

them up, they will remain there until ....

I knew roughly where my G/Grandparents graves should be

located, but could not get there due to the rough terrain and

lack of grave markers. Also some of the grave markers were "ancient".

saw a cross made out of two strips of iron as a

grave marker.

After visiting the cemetery we then went to St. Joseph's

Catholic Church in Boyle. This is the new church, the old

church burnt down years ago and they built the new one on

the same location. My cousin, Kathleen, is a member of

this church and she took us to the office to look at the old

books containing the Baptism, Confirmation, Marriage

Death records. They were those big ledgers and all the

hand written information from around 1850 to 1880 were

mostly in Latin, but some were in Irish. We were

there for 3 hours, then Mass started and we had to

leave the office. I did find some information on my Sheerin

and Brennan family sides that confirmed some of what I

already knew.. We only had that one Saturday afternoon to

do all the research due to family reunions, etc..

Besides visiting all around Counties Kerry, Galway and

Roscommon, we drove up to and visited & toured Counties

Mayo, Sligo and Donegal. We fell in love with them and the

people were super. We also drove from Donnegal to Belfast.

We stayed in Belfast City and the people were very nice to us.

After spending a night in Belfast, we left and drove down

the coastline to Dublin. We spent two nights along the way.

The coastline was beautiful and it reminded us of the

Maine and New Hampshire coastline here in the States.

We stayed in Dublin 3 nights and it gave me a chance to

visit the GRO there. I spent a full day there looking at

Birth, Marriage and Death records, but didn't get any new

family information. However, I did confirm some of the

family genealogy data that I do have, but was not successful

with my Cryan side due to time limitations.

That's about it for now and forgive me for not getting back

to you any sooner.

Keep in touch,

Jake Sheerin ( grew up in Lowell, MA)

PS: I did combine a lot of information on our trip, now all I

have to do is organize it and put in on my "NEW" computer.

If I come across anything about the Cryans I will let all know.

John Sheerin" <jsheerin@erols.com> | Block address Date: Sun, 12 Nov 2000 09:11:08 -0500 Subject: [CRYAN] Cryan Family Information

Cryan Researchers:

This is a follow up to my Saturday,

November 11, 2000 10:43 AM

Subject: Visiting Ireland!!

This is what I found on the Cryan family names in

Boyle, Co. Roscommon during our Ireland trip from

1-21 June 2000. It will also show the source on where

the information on the Cryan names came from.

They are listed in date order by their 1st name,

and any other related information.

>From the 1901 Ireland Census of Roscommon,

taken from microfiche at the Boyle Library

on 10 June 2000

Tawnytaskin:

John Cryan, age 60, Head of household

Mary, age 52, wife

Bridget, age 18, Daughter

Cootehall:

Michael Cryan, age 43, Head of household

Bridget, age 43, wife

Jane, age 20, daughter, Dress maker

John, age 17, son

Bridget, age 15, daughter

Patrick, age 14, son

Peter/Roger, age 10, son

Kate, age 7, daughter

Eugene, age 5, son

Thomas/or/James, age 3, son

Leo?, age 1 ½, son

>From St. Joseph’s Catholic Church in Boyle.

We visited here on Saturday 10 June 2000.

We were allowed to examine several books containing

church records on Births & Baptisms and Marriages.

They were all written in Latin and I am putting the names

down as we interpreted the information!

Here’s what we were able to fine in two hours.

BIRTH RECORDS:

DATE -- 1st NAME -- PARENTS

AREA WHERE BORN

SP = SPONSORS (Godparents)

17 AUG 1865 -- John -- Jacobo Cryan & Honorie Birne

Ballinulta, Boyle

14 DEC 1866 -- Jacobus -- John Cryan & Catherine Sline

Qurhcreighin, Boyle

SP-Jacobus Sline & Maria Cryan

(Jacobus Latin for James)

07 JUN 1869 Maria Ann -- Peter Cryan & Maria Foley

Chapel St., Boyle

SP-Pat Brennan & Honor

Rourke

09 JUN 1869 Johanna -- Michael Cryan & Elenor Brennan

Chapel Lane, Boyle

SP-Michael Connor & Winifred Morris

If you have any information or questions on the above,

please let me know

Jake

A. Riley" <ariley@linux.ltp.org> | Block address Subject: [CRYAN] In their own words Date: Mon, 13 Nov 2000 09:56:43 -0600

I picked up that book last week, too. Terrific work on the compiler's part, but as Karen said, heart-rending reading. One thing I found difficult, however, and more knowledgeable Cryan researchers can clarify this for me, was the place names. He used the names of the electoral divisions and poor law unions, apparently, and I'm used to thinking of the ancestral neighborhood by the name of the Catholic parishes where the ancestors were baptized and married -- Aghanagh, Boyle, and Taunagh. How do these correspond to the places named in _In Their Own Words_? One of the appendices (I think it's the first one -- I don't have the book here with me or I would be more specific) has a list of the names affixed to a petition. There are dozens of Cryans in it, and my family's other connected names as well (McDonough, Walsh, Brennan). I suspect the petition might be from our neighborhood, but can't be sure. The book mentions by name many parish priests (PP after the name) and Catholic curates (CC after the name). Does anyone have the names of the priests and curates of the parishes I named above during those years? That would help us narrow down which of those lists include our ancestors. Another good book I've been reading is _The End of Hidden Ireland_ by Scally. It relates what happened to the people of Ballykilcline, tenants of Major Mahon of Strokestown, Co. Roscommon. Major Mahon was murdered in November 1847 after he evicted many of his tenants. The parish priest may or may not have denounced him from the pulpit just before his death. Sensational stuff. Beautifully researched book. Very readable as well as very informative. A. Riley

Thu, 16 Nov 2000 06:40:17 -0800 (PST) From: Sean Crean <sfcrean@yahoo.com> | Block address Subject: Re: [CRYAN] sligo abbey

Caoimhghin, Here are some recent photos from the Abbey that I took. Because of file size I'll send them in sequence. Regards, Seán O'Crean

Thu, 16 Nov 2000 07:13:21 -0800 (PST) From: Sean Crean <sfcrean@yahoo.com> | Block address Subject: 1743 Head stone

This is the headstone I found during my trip to the Abbey in September which was not on ANY list. An extensive documenting of the stones was conducted a few years back but, this one was missed. It is important for a couple of reasons. First it identifies Dominic Crean who was born a few years before Ann (later Viscount Taffe's wife) who we know was born in O'Crean Castle and was probably the brother of both her and Andrew Crean. The stone was erected by Dominic's eledest son John who was (by Irish naming patterns) named after Dominic's father Captain John Crean of Rebellion fame. Where you see italicized letters (red font), this is my filling in based upon research and sleuthing. The only present "guess" is Mary's maiden name. I believe it is LOFTUS as presently this is the only name that I find that fits (at least with a US ending). Also the O'Crean's married into the Loftus family from time to time. If someone has better info please let me know. Seán F. O'Crean

1743_Head_Stone.doc

Thu, 16 Nov 2000 07:24:27 -0800 (PST) From: Sean Crean <sfcrean@yahoo.com> | Block address Subject: Andrew & Eleanor

This is the interior of the O'Crean Tomb with the stone of Andrew and Eleanor O'Crean dated 1616. If you look carefully, you will see the following. First. You can barely make out a 16 to the left of the crest. The other 16 is to the right, but it is difficult to see here. Second, you can see an AC near the chalice on the left. The "A" is on the left side and the "C" is on the right. Eleanor French's initials are over by the right chalice. The shield is a combination of O'Crean (the left side) and the French Arms (under the upside down "V"). Both are difficult to distinguish. What you can't see in the photo is the family motto enscribed underneath but I assure you it is there. The significance is that this is the earliest representation of our Arms and the first time the motto "COR MUNDUM CREA IN ME DEUS" appears. In fact the whole Psalm 51 verse 10 is present. Of course the Arms are repeated on several other stones that occur in later years. The most recent being on a headstone in Belfast from Patrick Crean's grave in 1918. Seán F. O'Crean

Thu, 16 Nov 2000 07:42:28 -0800 (PST) From: Sean Crean <sfcrean@yahoo.com> | Block address Subject: 1743 Stone Location

Caoimhghin, The location of this stone is as follows. As you look at the Rood Screen towards the altar, pass through the arch on the right. Immediately on your right at eye level you will see the stone of Roebuck O'Crean. On the ground, underneath you will find Dominic Crean's stone as depicted in the photo. It's pretty hard to miss which is why I was amazed it had not been identified previously. (I provided this info to the Abbey, but not in the detail as in my previous email. If someone in the area would drop a copy off to them that would be great.) However, I do have a document from (60 years ago - previous family historian) that mentions the stone of a "Captain John Crean of Jamaica and his wife" in Sligo Abbey. The author misstook the stone for being Capt Crean's. It is not. It is his father's erected by Capt. Crean. Seán F. O'Crean

: JudyBruce@aol.com | Block address Date: Sat, 25 Nov 2000 07:56:41 EST Subject: [CRYAN] A Crean book notice

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Shackleton's

legendary 'Endurance' expedition, sailing the small open James Caird

across

the violent Southern Ocean, and in the historic crossing of South

George's

glaciers. The book is illustrated with photographs.

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Gregory Carr

From: ljstandak@webtv.net (Lyle Staehnke) | Block Address | Add to Address Book

Date: Fri, 22 Dec 2000 14:46:03 -0800 (PST)

Subject: [CRYAN] RE:Home page

To: CRYAN-L@rootsweb.com

I have made some changes on my home page, updating etc. I`ll enclose

the

new address.. Merry Xmas to everyone... Lyle

http://community-2.webtv.net/ljstandak/DANIALCRYAN

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Date: Sun, 07 Jan 2001 10:40:08 -0700

From: janet Samuels <janet.samuels@asu.edu> | Block Address | Add to Address Book

Subject: [CRYAN] Cryan in WI

To: CRYAN-L@rootsweb.com

I am looking for more information on a Michael Cryand and Catherine

Mularky. They married on May 2, 1892 in Brown County, Wisconsin.

Michael lists his father as Joanne Cryan (possibly a misspelling and

should be Johann or John?) and his mother as Nora Lorr (or Porr). He

was

born in Wisconsin. Catherine Mularky lists her parents as Michael

Mularky and Catherine Kelly. Catherine lists her birthplace as Ireland

- and I believe that she was born in County Sligo, Ireland. I believe

that Catherine Mularky is a sister to my ancestor - Patrick Henry

Mularky/Mularkey. Any help would be appreciated.

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Janet Samuels

From: Fatarm@aol.com | Block Address | Add to Address Book

Date: Tue, 9 Jan 2001 16:22:00 EST

Subject: [CRYAN] Holiday Traditions

To: CRYAN-L@rootsweb.com

(This is late because of my fault -- Tom was on time, just not me!)

Thanks for the chance to share with you and all of the rest of the

Cryan Clan

my Holiday Tradition. I had grown accustomed to my father always

buying a

big beautiful fresh Christmas tree for us in order to celebrate the

Christmas

season. Suddenly, the impact of the Second World War was upon us as

there

was a media announcement that the effect of gas rationing might impact

upon

us city folks in that there was a concern that there might be a

shortage of

Christmas trees. Without sufficient gasoline, there was a distinct

possibility that the trucks might not be able to supply enough fresh

Christmas trees for the market and the ones that would be available

would

sell at a premium price. I am not talking about some far away and

distant

Land; I am speaking about Chicago, Illinois during the war years and

before

the advent of artificial trees. My father's reaction to all of this

speculation was that, "By hook or by crook, we will have a Christmas

tree."

He went on to say that, "Even if we have to go out into the country and

chop

down an old mulberry bush, we will have a tree to decorate." As it

turned

out, the market where we normally bought our Christmas tree had an

abundance,

but they were of a very high price for the times. During an era when

people

were fortunate to make $50.00 per week, my father spent $10.00 for what

was a

beautiful tree. As we were hauling it back to be tied to the roof of

our

car, I had the occasion to ask my father what kind of a tree he had in

his

home when he was a boy. His answer came back to me as a bit of a shock

and

it caused a bit of reflection within myself even though I was just a

young

boy. What he said was, "We never had a tree." It suddenly dawned upon

why my father always held to the tradition of providing his family with

something that he never when he was young. His father was a coal

miner, as

was his own father before him, and life in the coal fields was not the

best

for either the miners or their families during the early years of the

20th

Century. My father is now long past, but I respect everything that I

came to

know about him and the values and traditions that he instilled in me as

grew in life. Especially what a Christmas tree meant to the person who

oftentimes simply and affectionately referred to as, "My Old Man."

Merry

Christmas Everyone! Thomas Crane

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From: "John Sheerin" <jsheerin@erols.com> | Block Address | Add to Address Book

Date: Wed, 10 Jan 2001 16:27:31 -0500

Subject: [CRYAN] Lowell MA WEB Sites!!

To: CRYAN-L@rootsweb.com

To All Cryan Researchers:

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I was up visiting my relatives in the Lowell MA area and they told me

about two WEB sites in Lowell that I found very handy.

Here they are:

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Obituaries Funeral notices and etc. from the local newspaper-- Lowell

Sun

http://www.lowellsun.com

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The University of MA, Lowell campus is recording Births, Weddings and

Deaths at the following WEB site:

http://libweb.uml.edu/clh/

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Good luck,

Jake Sheerin

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Reply-to: "FamSpack" < >

From: "FamSpack" < > | Block Address | Add to Address Book

Subject: Re: Looking for answers

Date: Thu, 15 Feb 2001 15:24:11 -0000

To: CRYAN-L@rootsweb.com

Hi Shelly,

I have looked in the British GRO Birth Indexes from which I have

extracted

all the CRYANs and a few variants.

No CRYANs appear to be born in Co Durham until 1860

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The first John is

John Thomas Cryan born 1870 second quarter in Sunderland index no 10a

612

He appears in the 1881 census as living in 8 Waterworks Road

Bishoprwearmouth with parents James41 born Ireland labourer in

ironworks and

Margaret(nee Tayor) 41 born India

further details can be found at the LDS Family History Centres

worldwide -

they are very helpful

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You say that he emigrated at about the age of 10 in the late 1800s thus

was born before 1890

so the only other possibility is

John James Cryan born 1884 fourth quarter in Hartlepool..index number

10a

164

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To obtain these certificated write to the Registrar of the town - most

towns

have a website with information and addresses- giving the details that

you

know. The cost per certificate is £6.50

These are ther only two of the name John Cryan in the indexes.

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I have looked at my other extracts and do not have anyonyone with the

name

MELIA linked with CRYAN

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The health warning is that there are a few CRYNEs in the British

Indexes but

I do not have all of them

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Eve

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----- Original Message -----

From: "Shelly Crynes" <crynesintulsa@home.com>

To: <CRYAN-L@rootsweb.com>

Sent: Friday, February 09, 2001 3:10 AM

Subject: Looking for answers

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I am trying to find information on my husband's family name, Crynes

(was

possibly Cryan before they came to the U.S.). My husband's

ggrandfather,

John Crynes, was born in Durham County, England in the 1800's and came

the US, via Liverpool, when he was about ten in the late 1800's. He

came

with a woman named Catherine Crynes (Cryans) McComb and her family.

Her

husband was Scottish, I believe, but both of her parents were Irish.

It is

believed that most of the family worked in the coal mines and may have

left

England due to being sought after by a rebel group from Ireland. We

have no

idea who John's parents were. There are apparently several stories

that

circulated about his birth, but it was always said that both of his

parents

were definitely Irish. Catherine Crynes McCombs father was also named

John

Crynes and, I believe, that her mother was named Bridget Melia (please

forgive the spelling). Any help will be greatly appreciated.

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Shelly

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Reply-to: "FamSpack" < >

From: "FamSpack" < > | Block Address | Add to Address Book

To: "Caoimhghin O Croidheain" <caoimhghin@yahoo.com>

Subject: Hi

Date: Thu, 15 Feb 2001 15:42:08 -0000

Hi Kevin,

Just a note to ask whether you received the mail that I sent at

Christmas .

Was it useful to you?

Eve

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From: "tom and ellen Herron" <tjherron@iu.net> | Block Address | Add to Address Book

To: <caoimhghin@yahoo.com>

Subject: CRYAN article

Date: Thu, 15 Feb 2001 15:51:45 -0500

Kevin:

Can you help me get or purchase a copy of your article on the CRYAN family - the one Jean Rice said was included in a 1998 issue of "IRISH ROOTS"?

I'm trying to research my grandfather CREAN/CREANE's family. He emigrated to Canada, twice actually, between 1883 and 1891. The family farm at Ballymitty remained with his brothers until ?1956 - it was definitely still in the family in 1939 when my mother and uncle visited.

If this is a duplicative message, I appologize, I was using the original email address Jean Rice posted.

Thank you

Ellen Herron

Reply-to: "Shelly Crynes" <crynesintulsa@home.com>

From: "Shelly Crynes" <crynesintulsa@home.com> | Block Address | Add to Address Book

Subject: Re: Looking for answers

Date: Thu, 15 Feb 2001 22:05:48 -0600

Organization: @Home Network

To: CRYAN-L@rootsweb.com

Thanks so much for the information. I am going to look into it and

hopefully I will find a clue as to who John Crynes really was. Thanks

much

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Shelly

Date: Fri, 16 Feb 2001 04:08:50 -0800 (PST)

From: Caoimhghin O Croidheain <caoimhghin@yahoo.com> | Block Address | Add to Address Book

Subject: Re: CRYAN article

To: CRYAN-L@rootsweb.com

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Check out my website

geocities.com/caoimhghin

for all past emails on the cryan list since its

inception in Jan 1998 (about 700 pages of cryan and

variants information). including the article you are

looking for. Use search and find for the variant you

are looking for

regards

caoimhghin

let me know your comments and thoughts etc

also there are various people on the list who are

brilliant help eg Eve and Leslie

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Reply-to: "FamSpack" < >

From: "FamSpack" < > | Block Address | Add to Address Book

To: "Caoimhghin O Croidheain" <caoimhghin@yahoo.com>

Subject: Re: Hi

Date: Sat, 17 Feb 2001 10:50:37 -0000

Not email - I sent the extracts from the 1901 census (photos of

original

entries) by surface post to the address in Swords

Eve - good luck with the thesis

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From: "stephenmorrison" <stephenmorrison@beeb.net> | Block Address | Add to Address Book

Subject: Fw: Mary Ann Cowgrave

Date: Sun, 18 Feb 2001 12:09:11 -0000

To: CRYAN-L@rootsweb.com

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----- Original Message -----

From: stephenmorrison

To: cryanaj@mail.ecn.net.au

Sent: Sunday, February 18, 2001 10:45 AM

Subject: Mary Ann Cowgrave

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Hello Anthony and Jill Cryan,

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I have just discovered the email you sent to Kevin Crean in 1998,

referring to my greatgrandmother, Mary Ann Cowgrave. She was, as you

stated, born in Wexford in 1835,and was married to my greatgrandfather

Stephen Crean, after whom I was named. My mother had a great affection for

her grandfather. Do we have a connection? If so, I do have a few more

details. I have tried to email you at the address you gave at the time

but without success. Perhaps you are still a subscriber to the Cryan

list.

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Steve

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Stephen Crean Morrison

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From: "stephenmorrison" <stephenmorrison@beeb.net> | Block Address | Add to Address Book

Subject: Mary Ann Cowgrave

Date: Mon, 19 Feb 2001 13:39:01 -0000

To: CRYAN-L@rootsweb.com

Dear Thomas Crane, Ratchitt, Listers all,

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In my email re my great-grandmother Mary Ann Cowgrave, my efforts to be

brief only succeeded in being confusing. Thus, for my sins, I am now

obliged to compose this long and rather boring posting. As you can see

I am not only lazy, but stupid with it.

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In the 1871 and 1881 Census, Mary Ann was shown as being born in

Wexford, living in Wales, and being married to Stephen Crean who was born in

Bandon in 1831. In 1881 they had six children, three boys and three

girls, one of whom was my grandmother, Clara. I know very little of the

background of my greatgrandparents, when and where they were married, or

when they died. I hope to rectify this.

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My main interest in Mary Ann is that she appears to be the last of the

Cowgraves. (Yes her name was definitly Cowgrave!). I have yet to find

another Irish person, past or present, with the same name. On Saturday

last, I was having a look at the interesting and informative website of

Kevin Cryan, (better known as Caoimhghin O Croidheain). In the surname

search box I typed in Cowgrave, fully expecting the usual, ie" no

matches" reply, when to my delight I got a result. It was the following:

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CREAN EMAILS From Cryanaj@mail.ecn.net.au Wed Jan 7

14:08:44 1998 From "Anthony & Jill Cryan"

<mailto:crynaja@ecn.net.au> Organisation:

married to mary ann cowgrave. born 1835 in wexford, ireland.

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I naturally tried to contact Anthony and Jill to find out their

interest in Mary Ann. No luck, my email bounced. My next thought was to put it

on this list hoping they would spot it. Still hoping.

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Those of you who have read this posting so far, and are still awake,

might like to hear a couple of anecdotes which my mother told me about my

greatgrand-parents. Mary Ann was a devout Catholic and used to invite

the priest into the home, who then chastised Stephen for various

misdemeanours, and called him a lazy old man. He took exception to being

called old, and his reply was to order the priest from the house, roaring

that in Ireland you were a young man until you were seventy. As an old

man he was toothless, and lived on bread, milk and sugar.My mother was

occasionally invited to join the feast. Remember those were hard times.

Ah yes, one other thing, my grand-mother used to tell us that she and

her two sisters, Hannah and Margeret were noted as being the three

prettiest girls in Cork. Well, I used to believe it!

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I know that this is hardly riveting stuff , but my excuse is that my

great-grandparents' children disappeared, mostly to the USA, and who

knows, perhaps there is someone out there who has heard the same stories.

If so, get in touch.

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Thank you for your patience,

Steve

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Stephen Crean Morrison

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From: "JOSEPH CRYAN" <darkhorse58@msn.com> | Block Address | Add to Address Book

To: <caoimhghin@yahoo.com>

Subject: cryan

Date: Thu, 22 Feb 2001 18:02:45 -0500

my name is joseph brandon cryan.i live in wilmington ma. usa.my farther is joseph p. cryan he lives in stonham mass. he was born in tondponra kesh county sligo ireland.just wanted to know if we were related also i might come to ireland in september . how is the weather then?

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Date: Sun, 4 Mar 2001 22:55:07 PST

From: Karen McElrath <K.McElrath@Queens-Belfast.AC.UK> | Block Address | Add to Address Book

Reply-to: K.McElrath@Queens-Belfast.AC.UK

Subject: brogher, keash, etc.

To: CRYAN-L@rootsweb.com

Hello: I returned today from County Sligo where I spent the weekend.

I had visited

there several times, however, I only recently learned of the likely

residence of

some of my Cryan ancestors (Brogher townland) and so this visit was my

first to

that region. I met the priest (Keash or Kesh) but did not have time to

go through

records in his possession. That search will have to wait until my next

visit - in

May. The priest did say that although it has been years since a Cryan

has lived in

Brogher, the three-townland region including Brogher, Carrowcrory, and

Derrygolah, was once known informally as "Cryan town" as there were so

many

Cryan families living there. I also spoke with a local Brogher

resident - a wonderful

man, now in his 90s. He knew several Cryans and recalls that at least

12 Cryan

families (some of whom he knew were related) lived in Brogher and

Carrowcrory

when he was a child. He also stated that although Brogher was then

part of Keash

(Kesh) parish, some Brogher residents would often attend mass in

Ballinafad,

simply because that chapel was closer (about 2 miles) than the Keash

chapel

(maybe 3-4 miles). This information might address Roger's question (in

an email

dated January 2000!) about whether Brogher is/was located in Keash or

Ballinafad/Aghanagh). And as Michael T. has informed us, Brogher WAS

in the

parish of Drumrat - at least in the mid-1800s, but Drumrat parish no

longer exists.

The 90-year old and I took a drive (along with my 2-year old daughter!)

as he

insisted on showing me some things. I was interested in where Brogher

townland

started and Carrowcrory ended, and I asked him this question, to which

he replied,

"right at that tree"!

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My local "friend" was too "young" to recall my ancestors - who

emigrated in

1858-1859, but he did know about John and Annie Cosgrove Cryan, a

couple who

died quite young as a result of TB. He showed me where they once

lived. Their

son, Patrick J. (born early 1900s), emigrated to America, lived in

Swampscott,

Mass., and later in Boston. I know I am related to this Patrick J.,

because he

attended the funeral of my granny's cousin (Father Edmund O'Keefe), in

1973 (in

Massachusetts). The 90-year old local recalled that Patrick J. had a

brother -

possibly John or James - who went to England to live. (Pat Cryans: are

you related

to this line?)

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On my next visit to Sligo, I hope to meet with a local historian from

Brogher, who is

now about 60-ish. It is this type of folk, who may provide the bit of

detail about the

people in the area that might help us understand more about our

ancestors' lives.

I, too, am so interested in dates of birth, death, and marriage and so

thrilled when I

learn of a link. I think equally about what life must have been like

in the 19th

century. The 90-year old local recalled dances organised at the

crossroads, circa

1925-30. Within 7-10 miles of Brogher, lies some beautiful farmland.

The Brogher

land, however, appears difficult for farming. I kept wondering what it

must have

been like during the Famine.

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I visited Templevanny graveyard. There were SEVERAL unmarked graves,

and I

was told that when descendants were living, they knew exactly where

their

ancestors were buried, thus there was no need to mark the grave. Also,

some folks

did not have the money to have the stone engraved.

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The graveyard at Templevanny is at the foot of the Bricklieve

Mountains, the road

to the graveyard can be found a few miles south of the Keash parish

chapel - off

that main road. The road to the graveyard heads towards the mountain

and is just

north of the road to Ballinafad and Brogher). It's a beautiful

setting.

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I noted a few Cryans buried here. The dates, however, were 20th

century only,

despite the fact that the graveyard is considerably older.

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Separate plots are indicated by *****

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John Cryan died 6 July 1954

Carrowcrory

His spouse, Delia, died 1960

*****

Michael Cryan of Tully

Died 22 June 1910

His spouse, Margaret (?)

Sons: Thomas died 1917, William 1917, Dan 1927

Bridget Cryan 1978

*****

Patrick Cryan died 31 March 1927

Age 80 years

*****

John Cryan died 1975 age 58

Brogher

*****

John Cryan died 2 November 1933

His spouse Eillen (correct spelling) died 19 August 1925

Son: Patrick J. died 9 July 1978

Derrygola (correct spelling on gravestone)

*****

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Hope this info helps someone at some stage. All the best,

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Karen McElrath

Belfast

(formerly USA)

Reply-to: "FamSpack" < >

From: "FamSpack" < > | Block Address | Add to Address Book

Subject: James BRENNAN/Mary CRYAN

Date: Mon, 5 Mar 2001 10:33:52 -0000

To: CRYAN-L@rootsweb.com

.The following appeared in the SLIGO list and looks rather familiar,

could

this be a brother to Jake's Michael BRENNAN ?

Eve

..................................................

Lorraine,

Kilmacteigue Church of Ireland graveyard:

James BRENNAN, Stonepark. Died 28 January 1905 aged 101. His wife Mary

BRENNAN Died 28 February 1900 aged 82. Daughter Mary LUNDY Died 17

March

1897 and her husband Maurice LUNDY Died 28 July 1909.

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Jim McDonald

culrua@iol.ie

.......................................................

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Date: Mon, 5 Mar 2001 05:51:09 -0800 (PST)

From: Caoimhghin O Croidheain <caoimhghin@yahoo.com> | Block Address | Add to Address Book

Subject: Re: cryan, tondponra kesh county sligo

To: CRYAN-L@rootsweb.com

Can anyone help Joseph?

caoimhghin

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--- JOSEPH CRYAN <darkhorse58@msn.com> wrote: > my

name is joseph brandon cryan.i live in wilmington

> ma. usa.my farther is joseph p. cryan he lives in

> stonham mass. he was born in tondponra kesh county

> sligo ireland.just wanted to know if we were related

> also i might come to ireland in september . how is

> the weather then?

From: "Michael Tobin" <tobinmi@hotmail.com> | Block Address | Add to Address Book

Subject: Re: cryan, tondponra kesh county sligo

Date: Mon, 05 Mar 2001 23:36:56 -0000

To: CRYAN-L@rootsweb.com

Folks,

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Joseph recently got in touch with me. He is a first-cousin of my

grandfather.

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I haven't posted to the list in quite a while, so am reposting a

summary of

my research here for information.

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Mathew Cryan from Tonaponra, Keash, Co. Sligo. His wife was Bridget

Hannon

and they ad at least one child - John (b. approx 1846). John married

Mary

Anne O'Neil and they had 8 children :-

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John, m. Mary Ann Hannon

Mary Anne, m. Martin Brennan

Matthew (emigrated to the USA)

Michael, m. Margaret Henry

Martin

Harry, m. Winifred Farry

Delia,m. Dan Marquess

Nora,m. Jack Brennan

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Mary Anne Cryan and Martin Brennan were my great-grandparents and lived

the townland of Drumnagranshy, which adjoins Tonaponra.

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I been a little quiet lately on the genealogy front as I've been

concentrating on extending the family tree in a differnt way - my wife

gave

birth to twin girls in December !

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regards

Michael

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Date: Mon, 5 Mar 2001 22:41:23 PST

From: Karen McElrath <K.McElrath@Queens-Belfast.AC.UK> | Block Address | Add to Address Book

Reply-to: K.McElrath@Queens-Belfast.AC.UK

Subject: Re: Cryans mentioned in book

To: CRYAN-L@rootsweb.com

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The following information is drawn from the book "In Their Own Words:

The Famine

in North Connacht, 1845-1849" (author: Liam Swords, Columba Press,

1999).

Several Cryans are mentioned in the book. I've included these passages

as well

as a few other descriptions.

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(page 51) 1 August 1846. Memorial signed by James O'Hara PP and 173

inhabitants of the parish of Drumrat and Kilshalvey, to the Lord

Lieutenant:

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"that your memorialists have come up cheerfully and peaceably under the