I take it that you
are in contact with John & Eileen Shanahan? - have they been able to help
you at all with your research? We have just come back from Valentia and
probably won't be going back until next year now but I would be happy to wander
around the graveyard and have a look for gravestones for you. (I love doing
that sort of thing - I am just starting to research my own family from
Valentia) The grave yard is quite overgrown and older graves at the back are
sometimes hard to get to. I will sort out a picture of my parent's house
(Willie's) and send it to you.
I have spoken to
my mother today and she remembers the Cryan's, (especially Girlie Cryan) and
other members of the family. I am going over for dinner tonight so I will ask
her some stories & info and get back to you
With kind regards
Ann Turner
FamSpack"
< > From: "FamSpack"
< > | Date:
Fri, 1 Sep 2000 00:53:15 +0100 Subject:
[CRYAN] Re Cryans in Williamstown Co
Colin Crehan, as a
new family historian, asked some questions that others may also like to see the
replies to. "What are the LDS Vital Statistics CDs and the Irish BMD
Registers and where can I obtain them?" The Church of Jesus Christ and the
Latterday Saints (LDS) have microfilmed many parish registers and other
documents, relevent to family history in many countries throughout the world.
Many of their church buildings have attached to them a Family History Centre
where anyone can view these films. If the films are not in stock then the
supervisor will borrow it from a central library for a charge. The LDS have
produced a sets of CDs for various parts of the world,each with a selection of
extracts from Parish Registers and some of the national registers. There is a
set for the N America, a set for the British Isles (ie
Fri, 01 Sep 2000
10:35:55 +0000 Subject: Re: Pat Hunt
again From: Patrick Hunt
<pathunt@indigo.ie> | To:
Caoimhghin O Croidheain
Caoimhghin, Many
thanks for your help to date. I now have the names of Thomas Cryan's children.
I have an idea that the late Cryan brothers, Tom and Sean, who were remarkable
journalists in their day, might have some connection with the Cryan family I
want to know more about. Would you mind asking your Dad for the names of their
widows, and roughly where they lived in
Cay145@aol.com | Date:
Sat, 2 Sep 2000 10:54:35 EDT Subject:
Fwd: Cryan surname/help
Kevin, I am
Dorothy Catherine Cryan Chegwidden. I have recently been given information
about my great-great grandfather Michael Cryan and his wife Bridget Foley
Cryan. They were from
SSulli1128@aol.com
| Date:
Sun, 3 Sep 2000 12:44:50 EDT Subject:
I recently visited
FamSpack" <
> From: "FamSpack" <
> | Date:
Mon, 4 Sep 2000 13:00:15 +0100 Subject:
[CRYAN] Michael CRYAN of
Hi
List-readers
I have
recently been reading the Ballaghadereen RC parish registers and
collecting
more CRYANs. By chance, I received a notice from another
list
that
someone was looking for Michael CRYAN and Bridget FOLEY who went
from
Wake
-up all you Lowall researchers, do you know who this Michael is ?
Is
he the
one with the shop or is he one of the others? I remember some
census
data
that someone posted. Please would someone kindly resurrect it for
all
to see.
Hopefully
Dottie has re-subscribed by now - WELCOME
Until
again, happy hunting Eve
...............................................
>From
the RC parish registers of Ballaghadereen which is a
town
on the borders of Counties Roscommon, Mayo and
a
Marriage
of Michael CRIEN/CRYANto Bridget FOLEY on 4 Sept 1864
witnesses
John CRIEN/CRYAN and Mary HAYDEN
Mary
...bapt on 24 July 1865 parents Michael CRYAN and Margaret(I think
that
this
is a mistake by the writer), should be Bridget FOLEY
witnesses
John FOLEY and Mary FOLEY
Diff
to readname but probably Hony(short for Honora, which has another
diminutive
NORA)...bapt 14 Feb 1867 parents Michael CRYAN and Bridget
FOLEY
witnesses
John CRYAN and Mary PLUNKETT
Anne....bapt
27 Nov 1868 parents Michael CRYAN and Bridget FOLEY
witnesses
Pat PLUNKETT and Bridget PLUNKETT
All
these are from the townland of Grophy, which I can not find on my
map.Perhaps
it is too small or it has been absorbed in to a
neighbouring
townland,but
as all the other townlands
Voltene@aol.com | Date:
Mon, 4 Sep 2000 10:12:49 EDT Subject:
[CRYAN] Michael and Bridget (Foley) Cryan
Hi Group, I have
been putting together my own database of CRYANs, not only in
Cay145@aol.com | Date:
Mon, 4 Sep 2000 19:57:01 EDT Subject:
[CRYAN] Michael and Bridget (Foley) Cryan
Hello, To the people doing Cryan research in
, N.J.
I am
trying to find the descendants as well as the ancestors to the
Michael
and
Bridget Cryan. So far Eve and Karen have
helped a great deal in
locating
these
family members and some of the children.
They are my great-great
grandparents. My great grandfather is John P. Cryan, born
in
His
son
John J. Cryan is my grandfather. John
Joseph married Catherine
Dubey
in
(my
dad,
born
in 1925, died in 1950), Ralph, Robert, Catherine Doris, Raymond,
the
latter
born in 1930. They moved to
the
last
child's birth. I believe my grandfather
John J. died in
or is
buried
there in 1964. Catherine, grandmother, died in 1931.
I've lost touch with the Aunt Doris, who used
to write, and now do
not
know
if any
are alive or well, but I know they have families in the
area.
So if
any of you out there in
appreciate
your
information. I think Ralph died very
young, maybe in the war. I
don't
know
about the others. If you have access to
obits in the
I
would
appreciate ones on any of these family members.
I would
especially
like
to see the ones for grandfather John Joseph in 1964 and Catherine
(Dubey)
Cryan in 1931. These might help in
identifying the others.
Thank
you
again if you are researching in the area.
Dottie in Corpus
Cay145@aol.com | Date:
Mon, 4 Sep 2000 22:34:47 EDT Subject:
Re: [CRYAN] Dolans of Roscommon and Leitrim & Cryan
Dear Caoimhghin@yahoo.com
I have
recently discovered more about my family through this list and
other
Cryan
sites...and wonderful people, such as Karen and Eve. My
great-great
grandfather
Michael spelled his name Crien/Cryan when he married Briget
Foley
in
Sept 4, 1864. I believe he had a brother
John who spelled his name
Cryan
who
attended the Michael and Bridget's
daughters' baptismal services
of
Nora,
Mary, and Anne in 1865-68. They were baptized in Ballaghadereen
and
seemingly
from the town of
and
ten
children
settled in
settled
in
But I don't find an Agnes Crine in the family.
Do you think this must
be
another family of Crien's or
Cryan's or Crine's??????? I think it might
be,
but I thought I'd see if you had
any more info. that might
relate.......or
see if this would help you. Dottie
FamSpack"
< > From: "FamSpack"
< > | Date:
Tue, 5 Sep 2000 17:13:23 +0100 Subject:
[CRYAN] Ballaghadereen Registers
Hi Patrick,
Although I do not live in the
USA, I have been able to visit the local
Family History Centre (FHC) of
the Church of Jesus Christ and the
LatterDay
Saints(the LDS) - they are open
to the public and I believe that there
is
one in Dublin. The phone book
should give the address
They have a huge collection of
films and fiches associated with
genealogy
from all over the world. These
include films of parish registers. You
will
be pleased to know that you can
access their catalogue, as well as a
great
amount of data, through the
internet . If you click on this URL you
should
get through and then go through
the links to the bit that you want.
However the film number for
Ballaghadereen is 1279232.
This film however may have to be
ordered if they do not keep it in
stock, so
it is worth checking by phone
first and they will tell you how much it
will
cost (here in England it is £4
for a loan of 3 months) and how to pay.
They
are very helpful. They will let
you know when it is available to
use/read on
one of their film readers and you
will most probably have to book as
the
film readers are well used.
On the film of The Ballaghadereen
Registers there are different
sections
1 Baptisms Nov 1851 - 1860
2 Baptisms 1861 - 1870
3 Baptisms 1871 - 1875
4 Baptisms 1876 - 1884
5 Baptisms 1885 - 1895
6 Baptisms 1896 -
7 Marriages Aug 1830 - 1867
8 Marriages 1868 - 1873
9 Marriages 1874 -
also
10 Ballymote Marriages 1824 -
1865
11 Ballymote Marriages 1866 - 74
12 Ballymote Marriages 1874 -
13 Ballymote Baptisms 1856 - 76
14 Ballymote Baptisms 1877 -
15 Ballymote Baptisms and Marriages 7 Dec 1874 - 1909
16 Killasser Baptisms 18?
possibly 1848
17 Killasser Marriages 1847 -
I have extracted all the CRYANs
CRIENs CRENS etc up to 1870 but have
not
found an obvious candidate for
your Thomas CRYAN except
******* 5 Jan 1853 Thomas CRIEN parent Patrick CRIEN (no mother
given)
witnesses James Gallagher and
Mary Carty
Townlands are given after 1860, after which time there are
CRYANs and
variants in the townland that you
mention - many of them are spelled
phonetically
Thus there are Cryans in Fallens,
Fauleens,Faleens, Sharriff,Grophy,
Cloghan,Clogher, Boherlee, Banada
More,Creggane,Keelbanada,Castlemore,Ballaglin
and Icelawn.
**********As a "local" ,do you know
where the townland of Grophy is. I
can
not find it on my OS map which
gives a lot, but not all, of the
townlands
listed ?
There are CASEYs but I have only
those married to CRYANs and I presume
the
marriage between Thomas and Mary
took place after 1872 , so it should
appear
in the part that I have not
collected, together with their children.
Good luck Eve
I am sending some of this to the
CRYAN list as well as to you directly.
Thu, 09 Sep 1999
07:03:49 -0400 From: Margeret Dolan
<mrdolan@hgo.net> | Reply-to:
mrdolan@hgo.net
Dear Kevin, I
can't say for sure, but it certainly is close to where the rest of them
are.....are you going to try to come to the reunion next August? I hope so....keep
in touch, and I'll get back to you with Dolan info......PeggyD Caoimhghin O
Croidheain wrote: > Hi > My great great grandmother was a Margaret Dolan
who > married Master John Cryan of Boyle and Croghan After > his death
she went to live in Carrick-on-Shannon near > some other Dolans who were
possibly relatives. > Does anyone have any info taht throw some light on
> these Dolans or where they wer from in general? > Thanks >
caoimhghin > (Kevin Cryan)
Cay145@aol.com Date: Tue, 5 Sep 2000 12:20:42 EDT Subject: hello from a Cryan To: caoimhghin@yahoo.com
Kevin,
This is Dottie Chegwidden (Cryan)
from Corpus Christi, TX., originally
from Kansas. Eve and Karen from the Cryan mailing list
have discovered that
my great-great grandfather,
Michael Crien/Cryan married a Bridget Foley in
1864 in Ballaghadereen RC
Parish. They were from Grophy, we think.
Anyway,
Michael and Bridget had several
children there.....and then moved to
Lowell,
Mass. I think Michael must have
had a brother, John......not sure about
the others.......and Bridget had
a sister Mary who married a Murray and
moved to Nebraska. Do you find any connections here?
My father Richard George Cryan
died when I was five, so I've been
trying to trace down family for a
long time. I know my grandfather John J.
Cryan
was born in Lowell, Mass. and
moved to Newark, N.J. with his family.
His
father was John P. who was born
in Ireland, I assume in the area mentioned
where Michael and Bridget were
married. Confused? I am a little. Well, I
thought I'd check to see if there
are connections here........take care.
Dottie
KBri490226@aol.com
| Date: Tue, 5 Sep 2000 19:11:09 EDT
Subject: 1911 news article To: caoimhghin@yahoo.com
Rec'd the newspaper article today. Boy, it sure made news didn't it.
I really enjoyed reading it. Thanks again for sending it to me. Do you
live in caherisiveen? kathleen
FamSpack"
< > From: "FamSpack"
< > Date: Wed, 6 Sep 2000
01:31:39 +0100 Subject: [CRYAN]
Robert CRYAN To:
CRYAN-L@rootsweb.com
Leslie,
You wll be pleased to know that I
checked the Irish Register Indexes
forFrancis Fox 's marriage which
is 1871 in Galway with index number
14.131....the same as Robert.
So yes it is the one
Eve
Wed, 06 Sep 2000
18:57:19 +0000 Subject: Re: Pat Hunt
again and again From: Patrick Hunt
<pathunt@indigo.ie>
Caoimhghin, I am
so sorry. I thought that Des Cryan was your father: it was he who put me in
touch with you in the first instance. It was an assumption I made, nothing he
wrote. What I wanted to know is how or where I could contact the widows or
family of the late Tom and Sean Cryan. I was in touch with one of the Cryan
widows a couple of years ago; her husband was not long dead; I did not push the
matter; now I can't remember which widow she was. I have already been in touch
with some of the Cryan contributors on the list. They are wonderfully
enthusiastic people. I wish people of my surname were as good. I will be in
touch. Best wishes, Pat Hunt > From: Caoimhghin O Croidheain <caoimhghin@yahoo.com>
> Date: Wed, 6 Sep 2000 05:56:27 -0700 (PDT) > To: Patrick Hunt <pathunt@indigo.ie>
> Subject: Re: Pat Hunt again > > Hi > > > My uncle Des Cryan
worked in the papers and I can ask > him but I am in Belgium till 16th of
Sep. My father > died in 1990. > > Please do send any information
about any Cryans and I > will post them on the list as there are lots of
> researchers who can be very helpful on the list > as they have so much
inforamtion collected now. > > regards > caoimhghin > > >
> --- Patrick Hunt <pathunt@indigo.ie>
wrote: > > Caoimhghin, >> >> Many thanks for your help to
date. I now have >> the names of Thomas >> Cryan's children.
>> >> I have an idea that the late Cryan brothers, Tom >> and
Sean, who were >> remarkable journalists in their day, might have some
>> connection with the >> Cryan family I want to know more about.
Would you >> mind asking your Dad for >> the names of their widows,
and roughly where they >> lived in Dublin. I spoke >> to one widow
before; she was rather distressed >> because her husband died a >>
short time previously. Now I can't remember her name >> and worse, I
don't know >> which of the two widows she was. >> >> Thomas
Cryan's children were: Amelia, Thomas, >> William and Robert. He was
>> married to Mary Casey. >> >> If I send you a few paragraphs
about this Cryan >> family, would you mind >> taking the trouble to
put them on the Cryan net >> group. I don't know how to >> do it.
>> >> Many thanks, >> >> Pat Hunt
FamSpack"
< > From: "FamSpack"
< To: "Caoimhghin O Croidheain" <caoimhghin@yahoo.com>
Subject: Re: in general.... Date: Thu, 7 Sep 2000 15:41:51 +0100
Hi,
It sounds a good idea in theory
but most of my information is on a card
index and sheets of paper - doing
that part of the 1901 census for
Roscommonwas quite enough.
And ....the only conversations on
the list would be of the type
...."whereis....?" " Look in...." type. One can at
least interact and stimulate
others to interact.
Anyway, I believe that one should
try to look at the information for
oneself, not believe the thousands
of lists that should only be giving
apointer in the right direction.
If one looks at even a film of the
parishregisters one learns a
great deal about the time that it was written -
no-one seemed to believe me when
I said that the same surname can be
spelledseveral different ways
even within one family because the person/priest
whowrote it, heard and
interpreted what the informant said in a different
way.One has to see to believe !!!
(where have we heard that before?).
There is also the possibility that
if one looks at the parish register
onecan trace other parts of the
family.
I shall carry on as now, for the
time being.
Regards Eve
How is the thesis getting on
KBri490226@aol.com
Date: Thu, 7 Sep 2000 12:02:24 EDT Subject: Re: 1911 news article
Hi, I relly
don"t know if Timothy was a relative, as I have not been able to get past
my grandparents for info on the family. I got the name of a Morley from the
Valentia website and wrote to him on Valentia in Aug. ; but have not received a
reply. I will keep looking , being retired gives me plenty of time. I was
wondering how would you pronounce your first name or what would be the english
eqivalent? I am planning on taking a Gaelic course at a local college in Jan.
kathleen
noreen o'
sullivan" <norosul@hotmail.com To:
caoimhghin@yahoo.com Subject: Re:
Valentia Date: Thu, 07 Sep 2000
From: Caoimhghin O
Croidheain <caoimhghin@yahoo.com>
>To: "noreen o'" sullivan <norosul@hotmail.com>
>Subject: Valentia >Date: Fri, 25 Aug 2000 14:09:30 -0700 (PDT) >
>Hi Noreen >Could you tell me if there is a heritage centre on
>Valentia ? >I know there is a Museum ...could you give me the
>address again? I would like to find out if the old >graves have been
surveyed as I would like to find the >graves of my great great grandparents
William Shanahan >and Eliza O'Sullivan and their parents etc... >
>Does the museum have a web site or address? > >Thanks again
>caoimhghin (Kevin Cryan) >Dear Caoimhghin, Sorry for delay i
replying,our computers were down with eircom bug. There is only a museum in
Valentia not a heritage centre,perhaps they may be able to help you.they are at
Knightstown,Valentia. Slan, Noreen. >
Cay145@aol.com Date: Thu, 7 Sep 2000 22:39:32 EDT Subject: immigration site
www.nara.gov/geneaology/immigration/immigrat.html
sorry, if I forgot to paste
....Dottie
Bibliographies
Filby, P. William, ed. Passenger
and Immigration Lists Bibliography,
1538-1900. 2d ed. Detroit, MI:
Gale Research Co., 1988.
Lancour, Harold, comp. A
Bibliography of Ship Passenger Lists,
1538-1825;
Being a Guide to Published Lists
of Early Immigrants to North America.
3d ed.
New York: New York Public
Library, 1978.
Wood, Virginia Steele. Immigrant
Arrivals: A Guide to Published
Sources.
Revised. (Washington, DC: Library
of Congress, Local History &
Genealogy
Reading Room, n.d.).
Compilations
Carl Boyer and Michael Tepper,
each using a different format, have
undertaken to publish the names
in Lancour's lists. Tepper's coverage of Lancour
is not comprehensive: an
inventory of those articles omitted appears on pages
viii, ix and x of New World
Immigrants.....
Boyer, Carl. Ship Passenger
Lists, National and New England
(1600-1825).
Newhall, CA: C. Boyer, 1977.
Covers Lancour entries 1-71.
Boyer, Carl. Ship Passenger
Lists, New York and New Jersey (1600-1825).
Newhall, CA: C. Boyer, 1978.
Covers Lancour entries 72-115.
Boyer, Carl. Ship Passenger
Lists, Pennsylvania and Delaware
(1641-1825).
Newhall, CA: C. Boyer, 1980.
Covers Lancour entries 116-197.
Boyer, Carl. Ship Passenger
Lists, the South (1538-1825). Newhall, CA:
C.
Boyer, 1979. Covers Lancour
entries 198E-243.
Tepper, Michael. New World
Immigrants: a Consolidation of Ship
Passenger
Lists and Associated Data from
Periodical Literature. Baltimore:
Genealogical
Publishing Co., 1979.
Tepper, Michael. Passengers to
America: A Consolidation of Ship
Passenger
Lists From the New England
Historical and Genealogical Register.
Baltimore:
Genealogical Publishing Co.,
1977.
Tepper, Michael. Emigrants to
Pennsylvania, 1641-1819: a Consolidation
of
Ship Passenger Lists from the
Pennsylvania Magazine of History and
Biography.
Baltimore: Genealogical
Publishing Co., 1978
Tepper, Michael. Immigrants to
the Middle Colonies: a Consolidation of
Ship
Passenger Lists and Associated
Data from The New York Genealogical and
Biographical Record. Baltimore:
Genealogical Publishing Co., 1978
Ethnic Groups
There are numerous published name
indexes to 16th through 19th century
arrivals of persons of various
ethnic groups, including persons of
Czechoslovakian, Dutch, English,
German, Irish, Italian, and Russian
descent.
For a listing of some of these
indexes, see:
Wood, Virginia Steele. Immigrant
Arrivals: A Guide to Published
Sources.
Revised. (Washington, DC: Library
of Congress, Local History &
Genealogy
Reading Room, n.d.).
Two online guides to immigration
by particular ethnic groups are:
Douglas, Lee V. Danish
Immigration to America: An Annotated
Bibliography of
Resources at the Library of
Congress. Research Guide No. 28.
(Washington, DC:
Library of Congress, Local
History & Genealogy Reading Room, n.d.).
Douglas, Lee V. A Select
Bibliography of Works: Norwegian-American
Immigration and Local History.
Research Guide No. 6. (Washington, DC:
Library
of Congress, Local History &
Genealogy Reading Room, n.d.).
Part 3: 1820-1959
Fri, 8 Sep 2000
04:33:53 PDT From: Karen McElrath
<K.McElrath@Queens-Belfast.AC.UK> Reply-to:
K.McElrath@Queens-Belfast.AC.UK Subject:
[CRYAN] Re: irish townlands
received this info from the
ancestry.com news. most of it focuses on
the north of
ireland, but some information
might be useful (karen)
=============
"IRISH TOWNLANDS: BEYOND THE
DEFINITION," by Sherry Irvine
============================================================
Townlands turn up in Irish
research and nowhere else. It is an unusual
term--asI type this article,
every use of the word has a red underline. The
spell checkthinks two words have
been run together by mistake. Set out on the
trail of anIrish ancestor,
however, and you will discover townlands.
It is easy enough to gather some
basic facts about townlands. You will
quicklylearn that they are
important for research because certain records were
collected or recorded with
townland as the basic division. Townlands
are anancient land unit and once
numbered more than 60,000. However, finding
them onmaps can sometimes be
difficult.
All of this is essentially true,
but it leaves out much of the
story--pointswhich were brought
home to me during a visit to Northern Ireland in
April.Needing a change one
afternoon, I abandoned my research and went to the
UlsterMuseum and there came
across the 30 panels of a traveling exhibit,
"CelebratingUlster's
Townlands." This explained a lot. The townland existed long
before the14th century, perhaps
from as early as the 1100s. It was a meaningful
entity,and it was how a small,
local community identified itself. Townlands
seemed toderive from what defined
a family holding, and in some rural areas
until recenttimes, the townland
name was the postal address.
Boundaries of townlands were
expressed in terms of notable natural or
man-madefeatures of the
landscape, such as hilltops, rivers and streams, walls,
orroads, and very often it was
these features that became the names of
townlands.Landmarks, trees,
plants, and animals all appear among the names;
Eglish(church), Fofanny (thistle
place), and Rosnamuck (wood of the pigs) are
threeexamples ("Celebrating
Ulster's Townlands," by Kate Muhr, Ulster
Place-NameSociety, 1999).
The townland is the smallest
administrative division, and all other
divisionsare made up of
townlands. Anywhere from five to 30 townlands comprise
one civilparish. In other words,
size varies from the smallest, which is less
than twoacres, to the
largest--more than 7,000 acres. This is an indication of
landquality: the better land was
divided into smaller townlands.
At the time of the Plantation of
Ireland, part of the policy of
resettlement wasto introduce the
English system of land tenure. In their leases, the
proprietorsdescribed land
according to townlands for the simple reason that there
was in1608 no proper survey of
the confiscated areas. In addition, for the
severalgeneral land surveys later
in the 17th century, the townland was the
basic landunit. Thus it became
standard in land transactions, and estates were
mapped withreference to
townlands.
The first effort to create a
generally accepted list of townland names
came atthe time of the Down
Survey, 1655-59. This was the work of Sir William
Petty,who took an interest in the
ancient names and in retaining them, but
who had apreference for
expressing them in English. The list was published about
70 yearsago as "A
Topographical Index of the Parishes and Townlands of Ireland
in SirWilliam Petty's Manuscript
Barony Maps 1655-59" (ed. By Y.M. Goblet,
Dublin,1932).
Nearly 200 years later, the
British government undertook a townland
survey of
Ireland to create a detailed
mapping at a scale of six inches to the
mile. The
maps were to be supplemented with
"aide-memoires," or written
descriptions of
details that could not fit on the
plans. The Ordnance Survey Memoirs,
completed
only for the northern counties,
were the result. On the maps, townlands
were all
marked, including some newly
created, generally those identified with
prefixes
like Upper, Lower, North, South,
etc. John O'Donovan was hired to
standardize
the names so that duplication was
avoided. His workbooks survive in
Ireland and
can sometimes help in the
identification of a place name. It was this
official
mapping that made permanent the
townland names found in the various
indexes, in
particular the widely available
"General Alphabetical Index to the
Townlands and
Towns, Parishes and Baronies of
Ireland Based on the Census of Ireland
for the
Year 1851" (originally
published in 1861; reprinted, GPC, 1984).
Records based on townlands and
commonly consulted by genealogists are
census
returns, tithe applotments,
Griffith's Primary Valuation and subsequent
valuations, taxes, deeds, the
spinning wheel lists, rentals of estate
lands, and
maps. Knowing the townland where
ancestors lived may prove significant
in
setting a family apart from
others of the same surname. To be useful,
however,
the townland needs to be in
context--what parish, barony, and county is
it in?
However, sometimes the problem is
the reverse: the townland is unknown,
and a
record must be used to discover
it.
To place a townland, begin with
the one of the various indexes to
townlands
published in association with the
census returns (one was mentioned
above, and
others can be found by referring
to the Family History Library Catalog
(tm)
under Ireland - Gazetteers). You
can search for townlands on the
Internet at
http://www.seanruad.com.
Townlands can also be referenced according to
the Poor
Law Unions created in the middle
of the 1800s ("Townlands and Poor Law
Unions,"
by G.B. Handran, Higginson,
1997).
If a family can be positively
identified, then records such as
valuations and
tithe applotment books will
indicate which townland a particular family
lived in
at that point in time. On the
other hand, knowing the townland does not
automatically pinpoint location.
Among the 60,000 and more names, there
is
duplication. Also (though not
such a difficult problem), it may not be
possible
to distinguish between a townland
name and the name of the parish,
e.g.,
Faughanvale Townland is in
Faughanvale Parish in County Londonderry.
Knowing the townland focuses
research, both geographically and with
respect to
records. As far as geography is
concerned, one example is the modern
discoverer/discovery series of
maps--1:50,000 sheets issued by the
OrdnanceSurvey offices of Ireland
and Northern Ireland; these include townland
names.For records, the Registry
of Deeds is an example. It has an index to
grantorsand a place index based
on townlands that allows searching by region,
whether ornot your ancestor was a
likely grantor.
This article began with the
traveling exhibit "Celebrating Ulster's
Townlands,"which started its
journey in Fermanagh in 1999 and will wander in and
out ofWales and southwest
Scotland, as well as across Northern Ireland, into
nextyear. It is the work of the
Northern Ireland Place-Name Project, which
comesunder the Department of
Celtic Studies at The Queen's University of
Belfast. TheInstitute of Irish
Studies (http://www.qub.ac.uk/iis/) at
the
university haspublished a
"Dictionary of Ulster Place-Names" (Patrick McKay, 1999)
and thefirst seven volumes of The
Place-Names of Northern Ireland (so far
covering Downand parts of Antrim
and Derry).
EDITOR’S NOTE: For those planning
on visiting Ireland in the next few
months, aschedule for the
traveling exhibit "Celebrating Ulster's Townlands" is
availableonline at: http://www.niclr.com/timequest/pages/placena.html
Cay145@aol.com Date: Sat, 9 Sep 2000 23:22:33 EDT Subject: canada cryan's
Hi all,I thought if you hadn't
discovered this place, you might find it
interesting.the web site ishttp://www.valleyweb.com/victoriasinn
Their e-mail address is victoria.inn@ns.sympatico.ca
<A HREF="http://www.valleyweb.com/victoriasinn/">Victoria's
Historic
Inn & Carriage
House</A> Dottie
Cay145@aol.com Date: Sun, 10 Sep 2000 11:10:26 EDT Subject: cryan / crien
This list from Delaware Co., NY Genealogy
and Hist. Site has a Patrick
Crean,
a Michael Crine, Michael Cryan
and thomas Cryan listed on it for anyone
who hasn't seen this....Dottie
www.rootsweb.com/`nydelawa/naturali.html
<A
HREF="http://www.rootsweb.com/~nydelawa/naturali.html">Naturalization
Records, Delaware Co.,
NY</A>
Sun, 10 Sep 2000
20:29:20 +0000 From: Patrick Hunt
<pathunt@indigo.ie> Subject:
[CRYAN] The College in the Bog
Hello all Cryan
folk, In the last 20 years of the 19th Century a village schoolmaster called
Thomas Cryan flourished in a townland called Townabrack, located between
Monasteraden and Gurteen in South Co Sligo, close to the shore of Lough Gara.
So successful was Master Cryan at securing scholarships for his pupils that his
little school became known as ŒThe College in the Bog¹. Even children from
distant parts took lodgings with local families so that they could drink at
this extraordinary fountain of knowledge. Thomas Cryan was born in the early 185Os
and died in September 1904. His place of birth was probably Fauleens, a
townland often incorporated into Shroove in various records. He married Mary
Casey who came from a townland in Monasteraden. They had four children that I
know of: Amelia, William, Thomas and Robert (Bertie). I have heard that Bertie
died young of TB. I traced William and Thomas to Clongowes Wood College in Co
Kildare, where they were outstanding students in the 1890s. Thereafter the
trail runs cold. Why? One tradition has it that one of the boys, either William
or Thomas, was killed in a motor cycle accident in the 1920s or 1930s. The
other boy, either William or Thomas, may have emigrated to Canada. Amelia? The
first rumour I heard about her was that she became a journalist with The Times
of London. The first hard piece of information I gathered about her was that
she worked for the League of Nations in Geneva. At one stage she returned to Co
Sligo and brought with her the first ever radio in that part of the country.
That would have been in pre-Radio Eireann days. I am desperate for leads in my
search for descendants (if any) of those Cryan children or anecdotes about
their extraordinary father. I find it extraordinary that so little is known
about Master Cryan and his family. It may be that his wife and children left
the area after 1905 to live in Dublin. Can anybody help me. Pat Hunt 3 Rosslyn
Court Bray Co Wicklow pathunt@indigo.ie
tel. Dublin 286 0798
Mon, 11 Sep 2000
05:54:04 -0700 (PDT) From:
Caoimhghin O Croidheain <caoimhghin@yahoo.com> Subject: [CRYAN] Cryan Commonwealth War Graves
The Commonwealth
War Graves Commission http://yard.ccta.gov.uk/cwgc/register.nsf
In Memory of HENRY CRYAN Ordinary Signalman P/JX619995 H.M.S. Moreta., Royal
Navy who died on Thursday, 11th April 1946. Age 20. Additional Information: Son
of Patrick and Ellen Cryan, of St. Helens, Lancashire. Commemorative Information
Cemetery: BEIRUT WAR CEMETERY, Lebanese Republic Grave Reference/ Panel Number:
9. C. 1. Location: Beirut War Cemetery is located approximately 2-3 kilometres
from the centre of Beirut in the El Horj district on Rue Jalloul, which runs
west of Avenue de Novembre which is next to a park known as the Forest of
Pines. The cemetery is in two sections, bisected by Rue Jalloul. In Memory of
JOHN CRYAN Private L/2652 5th (Royal Irish) Lancers who died on Thursday, 21st
June 1917. Age 28. Additional Information: Son of Thomas and Hanoria Cryan, of
Townenane House, Monasteraden, Co. Sligo. Commemorative Information Cemetery:
UNICORN CEMETERY, VEND'HUILE, Aisne, France Grave Reference/ Panel Number: II.
H. 3. Location: Vendhuile is a village about 19 kilometres north of St Quentin
and 24 kilometres south-east of Peronne. Unicorn Cemetery is about 3 kilometres
south-west of Vendhuile on the west side of the road to the villages of Lempire
and Ronssoy. In Memory of JANE CRYAN who died on Thursday, 13th March 1941. Age
74. Additional Information: at 9 Pattison Street, Dalmuir. Commemorative
Information Cemetery: BURGH OF CLYDEBANK, Section of the Civilian War Dead
Register In Memory of JAMES CRYAN who died on Sunday, 13th October 1940. Age
74. Additional Information: of 27 Hurworth Road. Injured 29 August 1940, at 27
Hurworth Road; died at Royal Infirmary. Commemorative Information Cemetery:
COUNTY BOROUGH OF SHEFFIELD, YORKSHIRE (WEST RIDING), Section of the Civilian
War Dead Register In Memory of J S CRYAN Second Lieutenant 218th Sqdn., Royal
Air Force who died on Sunday, 11th August 1918. Commemorative Information
Cemetery: ZEEBRUGGE CHURCHYARD, Brugge, West-Vlaanderen, Belgium Grave
Reference/ Panel Number: 201. Location: Zeebrugge Churchyard is located in the
Port town of Zeebrugge itself on the Sint Donaasstraat. The cemetery is
approached via the N34 Kustlaan which passes through the town of Zeebrugge.
Having passed the ferry port terminal continue northwards along the N34
(following the route of the tramlines) for 1.5 km. Sint Donaas church is a
large red brick building with a slate roof. Having seen the church on the right
hand side, turn right of the N34 onto the Sint Donaas kerk straat. The
Commission cemetery is at the far right side of the churchyard surrounded by a
red brick wall. In Memory of PATRICK CRYAN Private 2679 2nd Bn., Irish Guards
who died on Wednesday, 13th September 1916. Commemorative Information Memorial:
THIEPVAL MEMORIAL, Somme, France Grave Reference/ Panel Number: Pier and Face 7
D Location: The Thiepval Memorial will be found on the D73, off the main
Bapaume to Albert road (D929).
Mon, 11 Sep 2000
06:00:05 -0700 (PDT) From:
Caoimhghin O Croidheain <caoimhghin@yahoo.com> Subject: [CRYAN] war graves
Sorry I missed two
of the results. I am in Belgium at the moment and found out re: this site from
our guide. I was at the Mennin Gate yesterday and tried to spot any Cryans etc
and couldnt see any as there were so many names but there was as you shall see
below!! In Memory of ROBERT CRYAN Private 51325 9th Bn., Royal Scots who died
on Thursday, 1st August 1918. Age 19. Additional Information: Son of Catherine
Cryan, of 1377, Maryhill Rd., Maryhill, Glasgow, and the late John Cryan.
Commemorative Information Memorial: SOISSONS MEMORIAL, Aisne, France Location:
The town of Soissons stands on the left bank of the River Aisne, approximately
100 kilometres north-east of Paris. The Soissons Memorial, which will be found
in the public square, commemorates nearly 4,000 war dead from the 1914-1918 War
who have no known grave. Its particular reference is to the Battles of the
Aisne and Marne, 1918, in which comparatively small bodies of British troops
played a conspicuous part in defeat and in victory. The memorial consists of a
cenotaph before which stands the figures of three soldiers. Behind the memorial
is a three-sided wall bearing the names of those officers and men who fell in
this theatre of war and who have no known grave. The memorial register is kept
at the Mairie where it may be consulted. In Memory of STEPHEN JOSEPH CRYAN
Private 3786 31st Bn., Australian Infantry, A.I.F who died on Wednesday, 26th
September 1917. Commemorative Information Memorial: YPRES (MENIN GATE)
MEMORIAL, Ieper, West-Vlaanderen, Belgium Grave Reference/ Panel Number: Panel
7 - 17 - 23 - 25 - 27 - 29 - 31 Location: Ypres (now Ieper) is a town in the
Province of West Flanders. The Memorial is situated at the eastern side of the
town on the road to Menin and Courtrai, and bears the names of men who were
lost without trace during the defence of the Ypres Salient in the First World
War. Historical Information: A description of the Memorial and an account of
the military operations in the Ypres Salient is contained in a separate
Introductory part to the Registers.
Mon, 11 Sep 2000
06:07:26 -0700 (PDT) From:
Caoimhghin O Croidheain <caoimhghin@yahoo.com> Subject: [CRYAN] Commonwealth War Graves
I already sent
this with more detail but it hasnt come through yet so I sen the full lis again
just in case http://yard.ccta.gov.uk/cwgc/register.nsf
Name Rank Regiment Date of Death CRYAN, H Ordinary Signalman Royal Navy 11th
Apr 1946 CRYAN, J Private 5th (Royal Irish) Lancers 21st Jun 1917 CRYAN, J
Civilian 13th Mar 1941 CRYAN, J Civilian 13th Oct 1940 CRYAN, J S Second
Lieutenant Royal Air Force 11th Aug 1918 CRYAN, P Private Irish Guards 13th Sep
1916 CRYAN, R Private Royal Scots 1st Aug 1918 CRYAN, S J Private Australian
Infantry, A.I.F 26th Sep 1917
Mon, 11 Sep 2000
06:12:56 -0700 (PDT) From:
Caoimhghin O Croidheain <caoimhghin@yahoo.com> Subject: [CRYAN] More Graves
Debt of Honour
Register Here are the results of your enquiry. There are 30 records which match
your search criteria. Select a name to see more details Name Rank Regiment Date
of Death CREAN, A Private King's Own (Royal Lancaster Regt.) 15th Dec 1916
CREAN, A P Civilian 27th Sep 1940 CREAN, F Private Australian Infantry Base
Depot 28th Dec 1914 CREAN, H Private The Buffs (East Kent Regiment) 30th Sep
1918 CREAN, J Private West Yorkshire Regt. (Prince of Wales's Own) 10th Nov
1915 CREAN, J Private South Wales Borderers 20th Jun 1915 CREAN, J Corporal
Royal Garrison Artillery 2nd Jun 1918 CREAN, J Corporal Royal Air Force (Aux.
Air Force) 7th Nov 1944 CREAN, J F Captain Lancashire Hussars 17th Oct 1918
CREAN, K Driver Royal Army Service Corps 24th Mar 1947 CREAN, P Private Royal
Army Service Corps 18th Jun 1920 CREAN, P L Lance Corporal N.Z. Rifle Brigade
26th Jul 1916 CREAN, R A Private South Lancashire Regiment 8th Nov 1916 CREAN,
T Private Canterbury Regiment, N.Z.E.F. 15th Oct 1917 CREAN, T Captain Royal
Flying Corps 26th Oct 1914 CREAN, T Private Royal Army Service Corps 10th Dec
1919 CREAN, W J Leading Stoker Royal Navy 17th Nov 1940 CREANE, J Private
Connaught Rangers 3rd Feb 1915 CREANEY, C Corporal Royal Inniskilling Fusiliers
21st Aug 1915 CREANEY, F Rifleman Royal Ulster Rifles 12th Aug 1943 CREANEY, J
Private Connaught Rangers 11th Mar 1916 CREANEY, J Aircraftman 2nd Class Royal
Air Force Volunteer Reserve 3rd Jun 1943 CREANEY, J Private Royal Irish
Fusiliers 1st Jul 1916 CREANEY, J Fireman Merchant Navy 5th May 1941 CREANEY, J
Private Highland Light Infantry 20th May 1917 CREANEY, M O Private Wellington
Regiment, N.Z.E.F. 4th Oct 1917 CREANEY, S Gunner Royal Artillery 23rd Apr 1941
CREANEY, T Able Seaman Royal Canadian Navy Vol. Reserve 13th Sep 1942 CREANEY,
T Private Seaforth Highlanders 20th Oct 1914 CREANEY, W J Private Special Air
Service Regiment, A.A.C. 17th Jun 1944 --------------------------------------------------------------------------------
CRINES, H Private Duke of Wellington's (West Riding Regt.) 31st Jul 1921 Name
Rank Regiment Date of Death CREHAN, J Private Leinster Regiment 9th Jun 1917
CREHAN, K Civilian 12th Mar 1941 CREHAN, M Private Durham Light Infantry 27th
Mar 1918 CREHAN, M J Major Royal Canadian Infantry Corps 20th Oct 1944 CREHAN,
T Private Connaught Rangers 2nd Jun 1917 CREHAN, T Sergeant Royal Air Force
24th Nov 1940 CREHAN, V J Private York and Lancaster Regiment 2nd Apr 1917 CREHAN,
W L Corporal Royal Marines 2nd Oct 1942
--------------------------------------------------------------------------------
Name Rank Regiment Date of Death CRANE, A Corporal King's Own Yorkshire Light
Infantry 3rd Sep 1917 CRANE, A Civilian 20th Feb 1943 CRANE, A Private The
Queen's (Royal West Surrey Regt.) 8th Oct 1915 CRANE, A Private York and
Lancaster Regiment 13th Sep 1916 CRANE, A Corporal South Wales Borderers 4th
Jul 1917 CRANE, A Private Northumberland Fusiliers 8th Aug 1917 CRANE, A
Private Royal Irish Regiment 11th Aug 1918 CRANE, A Sapper Royal Engineers 16th
Oct 1914 CRANE, A Gunner Royal Artillery 26th Feb 1944 CRANE, A Gunner Royal
Artillery 22nd Apr 1944 CRANE, A Private West Yorkshire Regt. (Prince of
Wales's Own) 20th Aug 1917 CRANE, A Lance Corporal Middlesex Regiment 29th Sep
1915 CRANE, A Serjeant Leicestershire Regiment 13th Oct 1915 CRANE, A B Private
East Surrey Regiment 11th Jun 1916 CRANE, A B Private London Regiment 8th Oct
1916 CRANE, A B E Corporal Australian Army Service Corps 9th Jun 1945 CRANE, A
C Private Machine Gun Corps (Inf) 17th Jan 1920 CRANE, A C Engine Room
Artificer Royal Canadian Navy 22nd Oct 1940 CRANE, A C Corporal Machine Gun
Corps (Inf) 22nd Jul 1916 CRANE, A C G Ordinary Signalman Royal Navy 22nd Mar
1942 CRANE, A D Private Northamptonshire Regiment 16th Feb 1916 CRANE, A D
Lance Bombardier Royal Artillery 9th Jun 1941 CRANE, A E Private Leicestershire
Regiment 7th Nov 1918 CRANE, A E Pilot Officer Royal Air Force Volunteer
Reserve 5th Jun 1942 CRANE, A E Corporal Royal Sussex Regiment 5th Aug 1944
CRANE, A E C Gunner Royal Australian Artillery 23rd Dec 1943 CRANE, A E J
Corporal Lord Strathcona's Horse 1st Dec 1917 CRANE, A F Private Durham Light
Infantry 29th Oct 1918 CRANE, A G Corporal Royal Australian Air Force 29th Jul
1946 CRANE, A G Private Royal Warwickshire Regiment 24th Jul 1918 CRANE, A H
Rifleman King's Royal Rifle Corps 19th Sep 1917 CRANE, A H Private
Northumberland Fusiliers 8th Oct 1918 CRANE, A J Private Royal Fusiliers 23rd
Aug 1918 CRANE, A J Private Royal Fusiliers 24th Oct 1916 CRANE, A J V Sergeant
Royal Air Force Volunteer Reserve 29th Jan 1945 CRANE, A L Rifleman Royal
Ulster Rifles 1st Sep 1941 CRANE, A M A Civilian 11th May 1941 CRANE, A R
Private Manchester Regiment 13th Sep 1917 CRANE, A R Private Tank Corps 29th
Sep 1918 CRANE, A T Leading Telegraphist Royal Navy 24th Feb 1916 CRANE, A W
Private Royal Fusiliers 15th Sep 1916 CRANE, B Trooper 142nd Regt. (7th
Suffolks), R.A.C. 1st Aug 1943 CRANE, B D Flight Sergeant Royal Canadian Air Force
29th Sep 1942 CRANE, B K Corporal Australian Army Dental Corps 17th Nov 1943
CRANE, B L Sergeant Royal Air Force Volunteer Reserve 15th Mar 1943 CRANE, B W
Driver Royal Corps of Signals 20th Jan 1943 CRANE, C Private Dorsetshire
Regiment 1st Jul 1916 CRANE, C Leading Aircraftman Royal Air Force Volunteer
Reserve 25th Nov 1943 CRANE, C Private Welsh Regiment 25th Aug 1918 CRANE, C
Private Suffolk Regiment 21st Oct 1943 CRANE, C Lance Corporal 6th Dragoons
(Inniskilling) 13th May 1915 CRANE, C A Private Grenadier Guards 25th Sep 1916
CRANE, C A Private London Regt (Royal Fusiliers) 7th Oct 1916 CRANE, C C
Private West Yorkshire Regt. (Prince of Wales's Own) 24th Sep 1917 CRANE, C E
Second Lieutenant Duke of Cornwall's Light Infantry 18th Sep 1914 CRANE, C E
Lance Corporal Rifle Brigade 1st Apr 1917 CRANE, C G J Private Queen's Own
Royal West Kent Regiment 31st Oct 1942 CRANE, C H Driver Royal Field Artillery
26th Apr 1919 CRANE, C H Private Worcestershire Regiment 6th Aug 1915 CRANE, C
H Private Suffolk Regiment 10th Apr 1917 CRANE, C H A Petty Officer Royal Navy
28th Mar 1943 CRANE, C J Master Mercantile Marine 12th May 1918 CRANE, C J
Sergeant Royal Air Force Volunteer Reserve 26th Jul 1944 CRANE, C R Corporal
Australian Infantry, A.I.F 7th Nov 1917 CRANE, C V Private London Regiment 22nd
Mar 1918 CRANE, C W Private Royal Army Medical Corps 13th Aug 1915 CRANE, C W
Corporal Royal Air Force Volunteer Reserve 16th Jun 1944 CRANE, C W R
Carpenter's Mate Naval Auxiliary Personnel (M.N.) 5th Nov 1940 CRANE, D Private
Lancashire Fusiliers 7th Aug 1915 CRANE, D A Flying Officer Royal Air Force
Volunteer Reserve 28th Mar 1940 CRANE, D S Private Suffolk Regiment 16th Sep
1916 CRANE, D Y Civilian 19th Dec 1940 CRANE, E Private Middlesex Regiment 7th
May 1917 CRANE, E Private Worcestershire Regiment 21st Aug 1916 CRANE, E
Private South Wales Borderers 13th Jul 1917 CRANE, E Serjeant Royal Fusiliers
29th Apr 1917 CRANE, E Sapper Royal Engineers 13th Mar 1919 CRANE, E Gunner
Royal Artillery 14th Nov 1942 CRANE, E Private Royal Army Ordnance Corps 6th
May 1946 CRANE, E Private Northamptonshire Regiment 4th Mar 1917 CRANE, E B
Driver Royal Field Artillery 16th Sep 1918 CRANE, E C Able Seaman Royal Navy
19th Dec 1941 CRANE, E E Driver Royal Field Artillery 1st May 1918 CRANE, E E
Private Suffolk Regiment 21st Sep 1944 CRANE, E G Gunner Royal Field Artillery
19th Apr 1917 CRANE, E H Private Bedfordshire Regiment 2nd Nov 1918 CRANE, E H
Captain Essex Regiment 3rd Dec 1943 CRANE, E J Private Canadian Infantry
(Central Ontario Regt.) 30th Sep 1918 CRANE, E J Private Canadian Infantry
(Eastern Ontario Regt.) 4th May 1917 CRANE, E J C Civilian 12th Jan 1941 CRANE,
E P W Private Australian Infantry, A.I.F 3rd May 1917 CRANE, E S Private
Middlesex Regiment 16th Aug 1917 CRANE, E W Rifleman Rifle Brigade 7th Apr 1941
CRANE, E W G Signalman Royal Corps of Signals 5th Sep 1942 CRANE, F Private
Australian Infantry, A.I.F 4th Oct 1917 CRANE, F Corporal The Queen's (Royal
West Surrey Regt.) 3rd May 1917 CRANE, F Private Suffolk Regiment 30th Sep 1915
CRANE, F Gunner Royal Artillery 21st Feb 1941 CRANE, F Lance Corporal Oxford.
and Bucks Light Infantry 12th Jul 1915 CRANE, F Lance Corporal Manchester
Regiment 4th Jun 1915
Tue, 12 Sep 2000
03:41:56 -0700 (PDT) From:
Caoimhghin O Croidheain <caoimhghin@yahoo.com> Subject: [CRYAN] war graves
Name Rank Regiment
Date of Death CREGAN, C Private Leinster Regiment 12th Aug 1915 CREGAN, C
Private Royal Scots Fusiliers 18th Jun 1915 CREGAN, C A Private Australian
Infantry, A.I.F 5th Nov 1916 CREGAN, C T A Private Australian Infantry, A.I.F
27th Aug 1915 CREGAN, D L Rifleman Queen's Own Rifles of Canada, R.C.I.C. 17th
Sep 1944 CREGAN, F M Private Devonshire Regiment 28th Jul 1916 CREGAN, J
Private Yorkshire Regiment 10th Jul 1916 CREGAN, J E Private Canadian Infantry
(Quebec Regt.) 16th Apr 1917 CREGAN, J E Private London Regt (Royal Fusiliers)
19th Sep 1918 CREGAN, J M Signalman Australian Corps of Signals 13th Feb 1945
CREGAN, N G Sub-Lieutenant (A) Royal Naval Volunteer Reserve 11th Oct 1946
CREGAN, P Private Cameronians (Scottish Rifles) 1st Dec 1917 CREGAN, P Able
Seaman Royal Naval Volunteer Reserve 23rd May 1915 CREGAN, P Rifleman Royal
Irish Rifles 16th Jun 1915 CREGAN, P J Private Leinster Regiment 27th Oct 1915
CREGAN, R C H Rifleman Rifle Brigade 20th Jan 1943
Fatarm@aol.com Date: Tue, 12 Sep 2000 21:47:31 EDT Subject: Re: hi To: caoimhghin@yahoo.com
Yes you did, some time ago, thank
you. And I'm sorry it's taking me so
long to reply lately. I'm reconstructing my life after that nasty
last
year, and I'm just not getting
online as much as I should. I'll do
better! Hope
all is well with you, Leslie
Fatarm@aol.com Date: Tue, 12 Sep 2000 22:01:54 EDT Subject: [CRYAN] Fwd: subscribe
I believe I have
received Cryan information before from this group, but have not been able to
share in the discussion because I had so little to go on. Now that
"Karen" has helped me out in some previous e-mail messages, I have
info. on grandfather, great-grandfather and great-great grandfather and mother.
I would like any additional information on Michael Cryan and Bridget Foley
Cryan (Crien) that anyone might wish to share. Eve has sent me their marriage
information from the RC parish registers of Ballaghadereen, which she says is a
town on the borders of Counties Rosecommon, Mayo and Sligo. I would like to
continue the search. Thank you so much EVE! for the latest puzzle piece. Dottie
in Corpus Christi
Fatarm@aol.com Date: Tue, 12 Sep 2000 22:13:37 EDT Subject: Re: [CRYAN] Robert CRYAN
Thank you for checking. Hope you didn't have to go too far out of
your
way. Too bad you're not a Fox researcher too! You've done a great job,
thanks. Leslie
Thomas Crane"
<tccrane@peoplepc.com To:
<caoimhghin@yahoo.com> Subject:
Regarding the "Debt of Honour Register>"
Tue, 12 Sep 2000
20:25:00 -0700
Dear O Croidheain,
I saw the above mentioned list on the Cryan rootsweb. I would be interested to
know how a person might be able to access the details regarding each name.
Reference was made regarding that possibility, but since the information that
you forwarded was fixed information that option was not available. You might be
interested to know that my great-grandfather's name was Patrick Crehan. He was
born in 1844, locale not as yet definitely determined, although I did confirm
that he worked as a miner in the Silvermines that are located near Nenagh,
Tipperary. He was working there when he married my great-grandmother, Mary
Cuddihy (b.1846,d.1910) in August of 1863. Their daughter, also named Mary, was
born in Dec. 1864. They immigrated to America in 1866 or 1867 where their other
children were born and both Patrick and his sons worked in the various coal
fields until they finally settled in Illinois where I located them on the US
Census of 1880 as living in Springfield, Illinois. I would be pleased to hear
from you as you seem to have gathered some rather interesting information
regarding the Cryan, Crean, Crehan, Crane Clan. Best wishes, Thomas Crane
Wed, 13 Sep 2000
04:49:35 -0700 (PDT) From:
Caoimhghin O Croidheain <caoimhghin@yahoo.com Subject: [CRYAN] Re: Regarding the "Debt of Honour
Register>"
Hi I always
enclose the url of the site I have researched so that interested persons can
search for themselves. Just click on the site address http://yard.ccta.gov.uk/cwgc/register.nsf
and on the site you will see Search the Register. A form will appear and you
can put in the name - dont specify by filling in any other fields and a list
will be returned. Also if you are new to the list you can see all past emails
on my site www.geocities.com/caoimhghin if you are not on the list maybe Leslie
could write to you and encourage you to join in the research..... regards
caoimhghin
Jill Devito
<devito@uta.edu> Date: Wed, 13
Sep 2000 14:40:27 -0500 Subject:
[CRYAN] St. Patrick's Cemetery Burial Records, Lowell
Attention Lowell Cryan
researchers:
Here is a new, improved version
of the St. Patrick's Cemetery burial
recordsthat Joan Ogg photocopied
& I organized by plot groupings. It contains
notes for everyone I could link
together from other sources.
Also, Karen, I was wondering if
you might have obits for the family
membersof Thomas Cryan of Bolt
Street (Annie M, James J, and Joseph F)?.
Thanks!Jill
St. Patrick's Cemetery Burial
Records 1894-1998
Yard 3, Lot 21 age burial
date appx birth relationship
Sarah
A 29 1/17/05 b abt 1876 (1st wife of John P.
Cryan)
John
J 0 2/14/01 b
1901 (infant
son of John
Cryan and Sarah Igo?)
Margaret 0 11/25/04 b 1904 (infant
daughter of " " "
?)
Yard 4, Lot 23
James 56 12/18/20 b abt 1864 (son of James J.
Cryan & Sarah McMahon)
Bridget 80 1/7/49 b abt 1869 (daughter
"
" " " )
Katherine
F 84 2/11/57 b abt 1873 (daughter
" " " " )
John
P 65 1/26/40 b
abt 1875 (son of Michael
Cryan & Bridget Foley)
Sarah
B 71 7/14/11 b
abt 1838 (S. McMahon, wife of
James J. Cryan)
Elizabeth 6 11/11/11 b abt 1905 (daughter of
Alexander T. Cryan??)
Robert
W 29 6/26/56 b abt 1927 (Korean
War?)
Yard 4, Lot 26
Harriet
V 79 4/30/54 b abt 1875 (listed as
Harriet V., Mrs. - Lowell
Directory)
Vincent 0 4/24/23 b 1923
Yard 5B, Lot 2
Thomas 74 3/28/37 b abt 1863 (son of Michael
Cryan, variety store?)
Julia
M 60 6/5/25 b
abt 1865 (wife of Thomas -
see Lowell Directory)
Yard 5B, Lot 14
John 64 2/5/39 b 1874 (son of James J. Cryan &
Sarah McMahon)
Anna
G 50 4/6/36 b
1884 (wife of John above; Jill's
g-grandparents)
James
Y 81 2/2/90 b 1908 (son of John P. Cryan & Anna
O'Reilly)
Mary
K 86 1/8/96 b
abt 1910 (M. Cassidy, wife of
James U. Cryan above)
Thomas 23 6/18/49 b 1920 (Lt. T. Cryan KIA WWII Mar
18, 1944)
Yard 5B, Lot 31
Thomas
E 62 9/16/34 b abt 1872
Delia 79 6/25/54 b abt 1875
Bridget 0 11/11/94 b 1894 (?)
Gertrude 3 10/28/99 b abt 1896
Madeline 84 12/22/92 b abt 1908
Yard 5B, Lot 33
James
J 35 10/22/09 b
abt 1874
Mary
A 49 9/14/24 b abt 1875 (wife of James J -
see Lowell Directory)
Yard 5B, Lot 31
Nellie 2 8/24/07 b abt 1905
RosemaryA
85 12/22/79 b abt 1894
Mary
E 0 2/26/94 b 1894 or 1994?
Yard 5C, Lot 8
Annie
M 62 6/30/16 b abt 1854 (wife of Thomas
Cryan below)
Thomas 65 4/15/10 b abt 1855 (son of James Cryan
& Mary Phillip)
Annie
G 92 11/22/72 b abt 1880 (A.J. McGuane, wife
of Alexander T. Cryan)
James
J 27 11/18/08 b
abt 1881 (son of Thomas Cryan
and Mary above)
Alexander
T 75 3/27/56 b abt 1881 (son of
James J. Cryan & Sarah
McMahon)
Yard 5D, Lot 3
Michael 50 6/9/99 b abt 1849 (son of James Cryan
& Mary Phillip)
Bridget 73 12/20/21 b abt 1848 (B. Foley, wife of
Michael Cryan above)
Bridget 75 1/16/48 b abt 1873 (daughter of Michael
Cryan & Bridget Foley)
Annie 47 11/13/22 b abt 1875 ( "
" " " " )
Margaret 82 9/16/59 b abt 1877 (
"
" " " " )
Nellie 58 9/27/39 b abt 1881 (
"
" " " " )
Michael
J. 28 5/8/11 b abt 1883 (son of
" " " " )
James
55 1/27/39 b
abt 1884 (son of
" " " " )
Nora
E 52 9/3/38 b
abt 1886 (daughter of "
" " " )
Yard 5D, Lot 17
Margaret
A 68 2/13/34 b abt 1866
Yard 5E, Lot 40
Mary 73 8/1/02 b abt 1829 (wife of Michael
Cryan, variety store?)
Edward
J 83 5/22/45 b abt 1862 (son of
Michael & Mary above?)
Annie 75 8/14/43 b abt 1868 (daughter
"
" " ?)
Mary 95 9/22/83 b abt 1888
Yard 6, Lot 6
Margaret
M 82 4/28/47 b abt 1865
Martin 61 3/31/36 b
abt 1875 (of Martin &
Michael, Cryan Bros.?)
Mary
E 25 2/4/20 b
abt 1895
John 59 11/18/54 b abt 1895
James 65 6/28/66 b abt 1901
Katherine 12 3/29/18 b abt 1906
Yard 6, Lot 25
Bridget 70 11/20/12 b abt 1842 (B. Leighton, wife
of Timothy Cryan)
Hannah 56 8/17/20 b abt 1864 (daughter of Timothy
& Bridget above)
Mary 56 2/20/25 b abt 1869 (daughter
" "
" " )
Annie 88 11/21/62 b abt 1874 (daughter " "
" " )
Yard --, Lot 63A
John
J 74 2/4/75 b
abt 1901
Irene 68 3/24/75 b abt 1907 (wife of John J -
see Lowell Directory)
Yard --, Lot 107
Timothy
J 52 5/8/70 b abt 1918 (son of
Alexander T. Cryan)
Rita
M 12 11/2/35 b
abt 1923 (a.k.a. Rose, dau.
of Alexander T. Cryan?)
Yard --, Lot 487
Thomas
E 52 5/26/52 b abt 1900
Yard --, Lot 698
Joseph
F 72 12/26/56 b abt 1884 (son of
Thomas & Annie M. Cryan??)
Thomas Crane"
<tccrane@peoplepc.com> | To:
<caoimhghin@yahoo.com> Subject:
Thanks Date: Wed, 13 Sep 2000
19:50:39 -0700
Dear Caoimhghin,
Thanks for the URL. I intend to search the data. Also, I am already on the list
and have communicated with Leslie a number of times. I will search through your
past correspondence as it appears that you have some interesting information.
Best wishes, Thomas (Crehan) Crane
FamSpack"
< > From: "FamSpack"
< > | To: "Caoimhghin O
Croidheain" <caoimhghin@yahoo.com> Subject: Re: hi Date:
Mon, 2 Oct 2000 09:30:49 +0100
Hi , Thanks for
your email. No I have not received anything since the 13 Sept. I think that
people are mailing each other off the list. I know that there has been a
conversation between all the Lowell Cryans , one of which I have had contact
with recently. The last email I received through the list was from that
conversation. One thing that folk have asked me about, is the Cryan meeting
that was to have taken place in about June. Did it ? What Happened ? I am
intrigued. Perhaps ,if you have time to write something it could be put in a
way that invites response by others and gets the Cryan dialogue started again.
Are you still usually at the address in Swords ? I know that you have been
away. I have something to send that MAY be of interest and I would like you to
get it, and it not spend time chasing from address to address. About my
search.....do you know anything about Culleenatreen/Flagford area and the civil
parish of Killumnod ? I know you have connections with Croghan which is not far
away. I have found a death registered in Carrick-on -Shannon which fits my
criteria and may be gggrandpa. When I have finished my current set of films at
the LDS I shall look at the parish records in the hope they are not too faded
to see........I ought to put this on the list. Until again Eve
FamSpack"
< > From: "FamSpack"
< > Date: Mon, 2 Oct 2000
09:36:46 +0100 Subject: [CRYAN] Fw:
[IRL-SLIGO] Co. Sligo Web-site
Hi all, You are
VERY quiet at the moment !!!!!!!!! This website may be of interest to those who
come from the NW of o Sligo. I notice that the writer is interested in the name
FARRIS and I know that there are CRYAN/FARRIS links from this area. I hope that
this produces something useful Eve
FamSpack"
< > From: "FamSpack"
< > | Date: Mon, 2 Oct 2000
09:52:38 +0100
Hi all, The list
is so quiet, that I thought this could stimulate some replies - TO THE LIST -
and keep the dialogue going. I sent the following in answer to some questions
Perhaps others could help to answer the questions and fill in the gaps that I
could not. ................. To answer your questions 1 Irish Roots magazine -
I have seen issues of it but do not possess any - perhaps you could ask about
subscriptions on the CRYAN website. Just send your message/question to CRYAN-L@rootsweb.com
. I personally have so much to do that magazines just get in the way and add to
our gigantic storage problems. 2 Sligo Abbey - my brother visited the place a
years or so ago and brought back a guide with photographs and said the tomb was
still there though the Abbey really a Friary is ruined but with walls still
standing. 3 As far as I know my CRYAN Family all came to England where I now
live.I know all the descendent of those who came to England but can not find
where they came from. That is why I am going through the parish records one by
one. But thank you so much for the offer of help, it was a kind thought. I will
keep it in mind as one never knows. There are other lines that I am persuing
that each have one family member who "crossed the pond" - but that is
not so interesting as the CRYANs. 4 For John P CRYAN born 1875 son of Bridget
and Michael, I wonder had you lookedat the LDS film of Ballaghadereen parish
registers that I am sure that I have mentioned before. I only extracted details
of CRYANs up to 1870. I am sure that you can find more about your family and
about the FOLEY parents and family that I did not even look at. It is also so
exciting to look at the original entries even though they are on film..
>From the Irish Indexes to the regitration of Births there are only 2 John
CRYANs registered in 1875 John Sligo index number 7.338 John Boyle 9.106....
this is the more likely in 1874 there 4 registered John
Tobercurry.........14.529 John Boyle .............14.82 John Boyle
...............19.89 John Boyle ................4.106 Take your pick as none
have a second name. I think that I would check the parish registers first
before sending for a b irth certificate. 5 Immigration or Naturalisation would
seem to be a good start for entry into the USA. However,have you looked at the
Ellis Island Website ? You may find something on the "Wall" but I am
not sure whether it includes people who went to Boston.i do know that there are
CRYANs there. 6 No,I do not have details about mystic wells but I do have a
book which gives Holy Wells which were places of pilgrimage in Co Sligo 7 Have
you looked a the ARCHIVES of the CRYAN newsgroup as there is lots of stuff
there of the type of item 6 that was discussed in the past
.............................. DOES ANYONE on the list have the URL for the
Group ARCHIVES ? Happy Hunting, until again Eve
ariley@ltp.org>
From: "A. Riley"
<ariley@linux.ltp.org> Date:
Tue, 3 Oct 2000 10:41:11 -0500 Subject:
[CRYAN] [CRYAN-L] Mark Cryan/Crane/Crain
Here's an update
on our research -- and if anyone has any other clues to add, we'll be grateful!
Our ancestor, Atty McDonough Cryan, brought her children (all baptized at
Taunagh parish, 1826-1844), to Boston in June 1848 aboard the Epaminondas.
We've heard that her brother-in-law Mark Cryan/Crane/Crain, had come to the
states earlier. Now we have a little more info on the brother-in-law but not
much! According to his gravestone in Eldorado, Wisconsin, in the same cemetery
as Atty and many of her children, next to the little church whose land was
bought by Atty's son Patrick, Mark Crain was born in 1805, died February 12,
1880, age 75. He was married to Winnifred Lang, who died January 16, 1899, age
66 -- so she was born 1833, quite a bit younger than her husband. They had two
daughters who died in childhood: Mary died March 20, 1864, age 7 (so born
1857), and Sarah died March 23, 1864, age 3 (born 1861). Mark and Winnifred had
a son Mark who married Nellie Bluitt, an Eldorado neighbor, November 24, 1897.
That's what little we know! But that gives us more clues to help us confirm
John and Mark's people back in Ireland. Eve on this list and some researchers
on the Leitrim Roscommon website have contributed information, and here's what
we have. Notice the name Lucas for the the father in these baptisms -- There
aren't any Lukes in later generations, and that's what gives me that bit of
doubt. But if anyone who has these CDs can confirm a Mark born to Lucas and
Winifred Crien, that'll clinch it. -- Here's John's baptism. CRIEN, Joannes
Christening Sex: Male Christening Date: 16 May 1804 Recorded in: Roman
Catholic, Aghanagh, Sligo, Ireland Father: Lucas CRIEN Mother: Winefrida BRENAN
Source: FHL Number 989739 Dates: 1803-1864 -- A brother for John! I wish the
first name was there! CRIEN, Christening Sex: Male Christening Date: 11 Apr 1807
Recorded in: Roman Catholic, Aghanagh, Sligo, Ireland Father: Lucas CRIEN
Mother: Winifreda BRENAN Source: FHL Number 989739 Dates: 1803-1864 -- Here's
Atty's baptism. MC DONOUGH, Aracte Christening Sex: Female Christening Date: 4
Jul 1804 Recorded in: Roman Catholic, Aghanagh, Sligo, Ireland Father:
Timotheus MC DONOUGH Mother: Aracte WALSH Source: FHL Number 989739 Dates:
1803-1864 -- A sister for Atty! MC DONAGH, Anna Christening Sex: Female
Christening Date: 27 Feb 1817 Recorded in: Roman Catholic, Aghanagh, Sligo,
Ireland Father: Timotheus MC DONAGH Mother: Attia WALSH Source: FHL Number
989739 Dates: 1803-1864 -- Here's John & Atty's marriage. CRYAN, Johanem
Marriage Wife: Aractam MCDONAGH Marriage Date: 14 Mar 1825 Recorded in: Roman
Catholic, Boyle, Roscommon, Ireland Source: FHL Number 989743 Dates: 1792-1863
Thanks for all the help, cousins Another proud descendant of Atty McDonough
Cryan A. Riley ariley@ltp.org