Date: Wed, 9 Aug
2000 20:23:21 -0700 (PDT)
From: Colin Crehan
<colin_crehan@yahoo.com> |
Subject:
[IRL-SLIGO] Crehan - O'Crean Pedigree
To:
IRL-SLIGO-L@rootsweb.com
Hello all!
I just signed up
to the Sligo Listing today, after
hearing that there
was a discussion of O'Crean (what
did I miss?).I
just started to investigate the CREHAN name about a
month ago.I was
wondering ... is CREAN truly 2 or 3 similar
surnames? Are they
related?
Ó Croidheáin
-O'Crean -Donegal/Sligo - Cenel Eoghain
Ó Creacháin -
Crehan - Mayo - the Uí Fiachrach
Ó Criocháin -
Crehan or Creighton - Tyrone- Oriel sept
Any information on
the Crean/Crehan name would be
appreciated!
Here is a CREAN
Pedigree compilation that I pieced
together from
various sources (O'Hart, O'Clery,
O'Ferral, etc.).
As I have just begun ... none of
this has been
verified yet. It is meant to bring all
CREAN surnames
back to a common ancestor.
This may come
accross badly due to artificially
inserted line
breaks. Simply copy the text into
Notepad (or
whatever), and delete the artificial
breaks. Sorry :-(
=============
Eochaidh
Muigh-Meadhoin
(High King
Eochaidh XII) +365
Mong Fionn
Carthan Cais Dubh
(or Cariona)
daughter of the
daughter of the
King of
Celtic King of
Briton
_________________________________________|
|
| | | |
|
Brian Ailill
Fiachu Fergus
Niall Mor
(Fiachra
'of the Nine
Hostages'
Folt-leathan;
(O'Neil)
Uí Fiachrach)
+405
___________________|_____
|______________________________________________________________
| |
| | | | |
| |
Amhailgadh Dathi
Eoghain Laoghaire Eanna Maine Cairbre
Conal Conal
(2nd Christian
King +428
(Owen; +465; a
Cremthainn Gulban
of Connaught) |
quo Cenel
Eoghainn)
_________________________|___________________
|_______________________________________________________________
| | | |
| | |
| |
Eocha Breac Olioll
Molt Fiachra Ealg
Amhailgadh
Muiredaigh Ailill Fergus
Feilim Eochaidh
+478 (129th
Monarch of (O'Dowd) (Forbes
& +480
(Muinntear (O Conchubhair (O
Duibhdhiorma)
Binnigh
| Ireland) +478
MacFirbis) |
Cheallaigh) of Magh
Ith) MacDermott-
(O'Garvey;
|
| O'Kelly O'Connor
O'Diorma Cineal
|
| Derry Co. Cinel
Fearghusa
mBinnigh)
|
|_______________________________________________
|
| | |
|
Eoghan
Muircheartach
Feradaigh Tigernach
Moein/Maon/Mongan/Maine?
|_____________
(Mac Earca) |
(Cunningham,
(O'Crean,
O'Crodden
| |
High King Mac
Cathmaoil) O'Hosey,
O'Gormley,
O'Luinigh
| |
+527 Mac
Cawell;Tyrone Tierney)
O'Mulcerby;
| |
O'Brollaghan;Donegal
a quo Cenel Moain)
| |
_______________________________________________|
| |
|
Conall Conn
Berneach (Moghan)
Colmain
|
|
Gobhneann
Faelain
|
|
Cobthach
Edalaigh
|____________________
|
| |
|
Columhan Aodh
Tendalaigh
(Scralach)
(Colman; 10th
(Cahill, of
|
Christian King
Connaught)
|
of Connaught)
|
|_______________________
|
| |
|
Guaire Aidhne Hugh
Ferdalaigh (Crean
? A quo O'Crean of Mayo &
Sligo)
(12th Christian
king;
|
a quo O'Guaire)
Gairmlegaigh
+655
|______________________
|
| |
|
Dalbaigh (Donal ?)
Cridhegen
|
| (O Croidheain or
O'Crean of Tyrone)
|
Crean oge (?)
|
|
>From Guaire
are descended the chief septs
of the Uí
Fiachrach Aidhne. Including
O'Creachain
Crehan, Greghan, Gehan, Graham, O'Criadhen
Creedan
============
Regards,
- Colin Crehan
colin_crehan@yahoo.com
From: "Kevin
J. Crean" <Kevin_J._Crean@HUD.GOV> |
Date: Thu, 10 Aug
2000 09:02:53 -0400
Subject: Re:
[IRL-SLIGO] O'Crean
To:
IRL-SLIGO-L@rootsweb.com
Colin:Attached is
one of the more informative e:mails regarding the Crean
name thatyou may
have missed.
And "thank
you" to Jim McDonald. I have been reading your numerous
responses
toquestions posed by other listers and am always impressed by the breadth
anddepth of your
knowledge and ready access to sources.
----------------------
Forwarded by Kevin J. Crean/CPD/NYN/HUD on
08/10/2000
09:09 AM
---------------------------
"Jim
McDonald" <culrua@iol.ie> on 08/04/2000 09:52:43 PM
Please respond to
"Jim McDonald" <culrua@iol.ie>
To:
IRL-SLIGO-L@rootsweb.com
cc: (bcc: Kevin J.
Crean/CPD/NYN/HUD)
Subject: Re:
[IRL-SLIGO] O'Crean
Paul,
A few years ago a
namesake of yours was commissioned to research and
publisha history
of enterprises in Sligo. I don't know what's happened to it
buthopefully it
will emerge and throw some light on the subject. The
question
you pose is an
interesting one and it is strange that there is so
little on
this family and
only a few of the name in Sligo. I count 3 in the phone
book
although there are
42 in neighbouring counties. There are also 14
CREANES
and 59 CREHANS,
again almost all in other counties.
O'Rorke (1889)
from whom I quoted gives an account of the CREAN family
butdoesn't make us
any the wiser on what happened to them as merchants.
Originally from
Tirconnell they settled in Sligo at the end of the
fifteenthcentury.
The first recorded is Cormac O'CRAIAN d1506, buried with his
wifeNanangasa. The
Four Masters record, under the year 1572, the death of
HenryO'CREAN.
O'Rorke says the "O'CREANS were not long in Sligo when they
beganto invest
money in land... Andrew O'CREAN (d1641) ...possessed not only
Hazelwood and much
of the parishes of Carbury and St. John... but
considerable
stretches of land in Leyney, Tireagh, and Coolavin, as
well asthe abbey
of Ballindoon, in the barony of Tirerrill." Andrew CREAN,
prior ofSligo
became Bishop of Elphin while John CREAN survived the attempt to
charge him with
the "massacre of 1641". Writing on the parish of
KilmacteigeO'Rorke
says, "under the Cromwellian Settlement, the O'HARAS, the
O'HIGGINS,the
O'CREANS, and the MacSWYNES disappeared.
This is probably
well known to you and CREAN searchers but thought I
wouldpost it for
general interest. The CREAN presence in Mayo, Roscommon
andGalway does
suggest a movement southwards for the main group of the
family.This
doesn't answer the question of course.
Jim McDonald
culrua@iol.ie
----- Original
Message -----
From: "Paul
Burns" <pjburns@prodigy.net>
To: "Jim
McDonald" <culrua@iol.ie>
Cc:
<IRL-SLIGO-L@rootsweb.com>
Sent: Friday,
August 04, 2000 3:00 PM
Subject: Re:
[IRL-SLIGO] O'Crean
> Jim,
> As you
undoubtedly know, Wood-Martin has surprising little to say
about the>
Crean family other than that they were the merchant princes of Sligo
forseveral>
centuries. Mary O'Dowd provides much more info on them in her "Power
Politics &>
Land: Sligo 1568-1688." She said Roger Jones, the Protestant,
gainedfrom the>
marriage of Elicia Jones (whom she said was probably his niece) to
Roebuck> Crean,
calling the match "profitable and shrewd" and "a wise move to
allywith> them
rather than try to establish a rival business" of importing and
exporting.
> What happened
to the merchant family of Creans? It seemed to have
survived> the
Cromwellian confiscations. Could it have been one of Sligo's many
plagues or>
lack of male heirs?
> Paul Burns
==============================
Please respond to
"Jim McDonald" <culrua@iol.ie>
book
although there are
42 in neighbouring counties. There are also 14
CREANES
and 59 CREHANS,
again almost all in other counties.
O'Rorke (1889)
from whom I quoted gives an account of the CREAN family
but
doesn't make us
any the wiser on what happened to them as merchants.
Originally from
Tirconnell they settled in Sligo at the end of the
fifteenth
century. The first
recorded is Cormac O'CRAIAN d1506, buried with his
wife
Nanangasa. The
Four Masters record, under the year 1572, the death of
Henry
O'CREAN. O'Rorke
says the "O'CREANS were not long in Sligo when they
began
to invest money in
land... Andrew O'CREAN (d1641) ...possessed not only
Hazelwood and much
of the parishes of Carbury and St. John... but
considerable
stretches of land in Leyney, Tireagh, and Coolavin, as
well as
the abbey of
Ballindoon, in the barony of Tirerrill." Andrew CREAN,
prior of
Sligo became
Bishop of Elphin while John CREAN survived the attempt to
charge him with
the "massacre of 1641". Writing on the parish of
Kilmacteige
O'Rorke says,
"under the Cromwellian Settlement, the O'HARAS, the
O'HIGGINS,
the O'CREANS, and
the MacSWYNES disappeared.
This is probably
well known to you and CREAN searchers but thought I
wouldpost it for
general interest. The CREAN presence in Mayo, Roscommon
andGalway does
suggest a movement southwards for the main group of the
family.This
doesn't answer the question of course.
Jim McDonald
culrua@iol.ie
----- Original Message
-----
From: "Paul
Burns" <pjburns@prodigy.net>
To: "Jim
McDonald" <culrua@iol.ie>
Cc:
<IRL-SLIGO-L@rootsweb.com>
Sent: Friday,
August 04, 2000 3:00 PM
Subject: Re:
[IRL-SLIGO] O'Crean
> Jim,
> As you
undoubtedly know, Wood-Martin has surprising little to say
about the
> Crean family
other than that they were the merchant princes of Sligo
for
several
> centuries.
Mary O'Dowd provides much more info on them in her "Power
Politics &
> Land: Sligo
1568-1688." She said Roger Jones, the Protestant,
gained
from the
> marriage of
Elicia Jones (whom she said was probably his niece) to
Roebuck
> Crean,
calling the match "profitable and shrewd" and "a wise move to
ally
with
> them rather
than try to establish a rival business" of importing and
exporting.
> What happened
to the merchant family of Creans? It seemed to have
survived
> the
Cromwellian confiscations. Could it have been one of Sligo's many
plagues or
> lack of male
heirs?Paul Burns
Date: Fri, 11 Aug 2000 13:24:25 -0400 caoimhghin@yahoo.com
From: Ali Crehan
<alison_crehan@yahoo.com> |
Subject: Your
wonderful website!
Caoimhghin -
just a quick note
to let you know what a fantastic resource your
website has been
for me thus far in my research on the Crehans! Thank
you for all thew
work you have put into it!
Cheers,Ali
Date: Fri, 11 Aug
2000 13:44:33 -0700 (PDT)
From: Colin Crehan
<colin_crehan@yahoo.com> |
Subject: [CRYAN]
Colin Crehan's people To: CRYAN-L@rootsweb.com
Colin Crehan's
people.
Since you would be
interested in my CREHAN ancestors,
here is the line
of Crehan men, their siblings, and
their siblings'
decendents (what little I know).
I am Colin (1969),
son of Donald
(1947),
son of Michael
(1898),
son of James (*),
son of John,
son of James/John.
*Since my
grandfather was the 10th of 10 children, I'd
guess that my
ggrandfather, James, was born in the
1850's or so. I'm
disappointed that the record trails
off so quickly.
My grandfather
mentioned to my father that he thought
his people came to
Ballinasloe, Co. Galway from Co.
Caven.
Does anyone know
of CREHANs from Co Galway or Co
Caven?Let me know
if you can tie into this tree!
My convention F =
Father; FF = Father's Father; etc.
Note: all dates
are in American (mm/dd/yyyy) format.
______________
Generation 1: * Me
- Colin Michael Belsito Crehan
(Bethesda, MD,
USA)
*1 Colin Michael
Belsito Crehan (12/27/1969)
--Married--[Amy
Elizabeth Belsito (8/18/1973)]
2 Ann Mary Crehan
(7/30/1974)
_______________
Generation 2: *F -
Donald Thomas Crehan
(New York City,
USA)
1 Mary Julia
Crehan (8/29/1941 - )
--Divorce--[George
Lidicker]
1 Eric Crehan
Lidicker (8/2/1968 - )
--Married--[Dana
Andrews]
2 Margaret Frances
Crehan (10/22/1942 - )
--Married--[Salvatore
Umana]
*3 Donald Thomas
Crehan (3/19/1947 - )
--Married--[Bridget
Bernadette Dougherty
(8/5/1942 -
)(Ballycastle, Mayo, Ire)]
_______________
Generation 3: *FF
- Michael Crehan
(Ballinasloe,
Galway, Ire)
1 Mary Crehan (? -
?) --Married--[Nolan]
NJ,USA
1 Marty Nolan
--Married--[?]
x Big Family
2 Jimmy Nolan
--Divorce--[?]
3 Danny Nolan
4 Marie Nolan
5 Dorothy Nolan
6 Katherine Nolan
--Married--[?]
a Peter (Priest)
2 Bridget Crehan
(? - ?) --Married--[Tom Nolan]
1 Tommy Nolan
2 Margaret Nolan
--Married--[Colozze]
3 Katherine
--Married--[Nagel]
a Joan Nagel
--Married--[Palmer]
b Patsie
4 Pat (Did not
marry)
3 John Crehan (? -
?) --Married--[Mildred]
Goose Creek,NC,USA
a Jimmy Crehan
b Jeannie Crehan
(Bloomfield - Glen
Burnie, MD,USA)
c John Crehan
(B17 Tail Gunner
in WWII - Shot Down
over Marshall
Islands - 7th Air Force)
4 Katherine
Crehan(? - 4/29/1970) (No Children)
5 Julia Crehan (?
- ?) Died age 10
6 Patrick Crehan
(? - ?) Died as baby
7 James Crehan Jr.
(? - ?) Died age 17
8 Thomas Crehan (?
- 5/19/1974) (No Children)
9 Laurence Crehan
(? - ?)--Married--[Rose Donnelly]
a Jimmy Crehan (? -
?) --Married--[Mary]
a girl
b boy
c boy
b Martha Crehan (?
- ?)--Married--[?]
a Mary Rose
b Katherine
c boy
d boy
*10 Michael Crehan
(8/15 or 18/1898 - 12/25/1991)
--Married--[Mary
Naughton (1904? - 1995)
(Ballina, Galway,
Ire)]
_______________
Generation 4: *FFF
- James Crehan
(Ballinasloe,
Galway, Ire ?)
*a James Crehan (?
- ?)
--Married-- [Mary
Killilea(? - ?)]
b Patrick Crehan
c girl Crehan (? -
?)---Widow---[Hopkins]
? --Married--[
Hannon]
(on Titanic)
d Mary Crehan (? -
?)--Married--[Mooler]
--------------------------
Generation 5:
*FFFF - John Crehan
* John Crehan (? -
?)
--Married--[
McDonald (? - ?)]
--------------------------
Generation 6:
*FFFFF - John/James Crehan
* John or James
Crehan (? - ?)
================================================
Date: Fri, 11 Aug
2000 14:04:41 -0700 (PDT) From: Colin Crehan <colin_crehan@yahoo.com>
| Subject: [CRYAN] Jeanne Vitale >
Michael Crehan
To:
CRYAN-L@rootsweb.com
Fatarm@aol.com
posted the following note on Sept. 8,
1998:
Another poster of
names! Yeah!:
The Crehan's I
have are my maternal grandmother's
family, and the
spelling hasbeen consistant for a
while. I've seen
it on my line spelled Creghan
too.These are the
names I have.Michael Crehan b 1855
Ballybane, Co.
Galway married--Catherine Kinsella b
1855
Ballybane, Co.
Galwaychildren: :Matthew Bernard Daniel
Lawrence Michael
Winifred Ellen DeliaJamesCatherine
Margaret Bernard
was mygreat-grandfather. He came to the US in 1909, and got
his papers in
1919. My grandmother doesn't know very
much else, she
went to Ireland in the late 70's and
met some family,
but has since lost touch. Thanks
again, please let
me know if anything sounds familiar.
Best,Jeanne Vitale
=====
Did Jeanne post to
the list? If not, where did this
post originate?
Jeanne,
I don't know where
Ballybane, Co. Galway is ... but,
when I visited
Galway in 1985, I visited with a
relative. An old
woman named "Winnie" somewhere near
Ballinasloe, Co.
Galway (I can find out where).
1) I wonder if
your Winifred Crehan is my Winnie
Crehan.
2) Michael Crehan
(b 1855) would be about the same age
as my
ggrandfather, James. I don't know James'
siblings. Do you
know Michael's siblings?
Regards,
- Colin Crehan
From: "Janet
Crawford" <reojan@hotmail.com> |
Subject: Re:
[IRL-SLIGO] Book on the Shelf/Enniscoe Pratts
Date: Sat, 12 Aug
2000 10:10:22 PDT
To:
IRL-SLIGO-L@rootsweb.com
----Original
Message Follows----Jim McDonald wrote:
> She notes
that Co. Sligo was not included in the Cromwellian
transplantation
> of the 1650s. It was for Cromwell's soldiers.
Can someone tell
me if there is NO information about the evictees and
the location of
the land and the persons taking over the land in the Down's
Survey for county
Sligo? Am I reading this correctly. I want to track a
Donnell Quillinan
who was evicted by Cromwell. Since I have been able
to find this,
there must be some info someplace. Can anyone help me? Janet
Crawford, Seattle
Date: Sat, 12 Aug
2000 15:10:46 -0400 From:
Paul Burns
<pjburns@prodigy.net> |
Subject: Re:
[IRL-SLIGO] Book on the Shelf/Enniscoe Pratts
To:
IRL-SLIGO-L@rootsweb.com
Janet,
Just what are you
looking for? The Downs Survey and Book of Survey
andDistribution
provided the name of the former proprietor, and acreage
andparish, and the
name of the recipient--per a portion of it in an
appendix
toWood-Martin's History of Sligo. But I don't know if the entire Downs
Surveysurvived the
1922 four Courts fire.
I do recall
spending many days in the National Library a decade or
so agodigging out
info on land granted to a particular Cromwellian soldier.
Itain't easy, but
much more has survived than most people realize.
Paul
Janet Crawford
wrote:
> ----Original
Message Follows----Jim McDonald wrote:
> >> >
She notes that Co. Sligo was not included in the Cromwellian
>
transplantation> > of the 1650s. It was for Cromwell's soldiers.
>> Can
someone tell me if there is NO information about the evictees and
the> location
of the land and the persons taking over the land in the
Down's> Survey
for county Sligo? Am I reading this correctly. I want to track
a> Donnell
Quillinan who was evicted by Cromwell. Since I have been able
to> find this,
there must be some info someplace. Can anyone help me?
JanetCrawford,
Seattle
Reply-to:
"Jim McDonald" <culrua@iol.ie> From:
"Jim
McDonald" <culrua@iol.ie> |
Subject: Re:
[IRL-SLIGO] Book on Sligo Date:
Sat, 12 Aug 2000
21:18:29 +0100 To: IRL-SLIGO-L@rootsweb.com
Paul,It's
available from the Booknest and the publishers are at www.iap.ie
Thebook is based
on a theses submitted for an M.A. in Local History.
Anotherbook in the
series is on P.A. McHUGH proprietor of the Sligo Champion
andMember of
Parliament for Sligo.
I know you have a
copy Paul but anyone wishing to get O'DOWD, M (1991)
'Power, politics
and land: Early Modern Sligo 1568-1688'. Belfast: The
Institute of Irish
Studies. The Queen's University of Belfast, should
do soas the price
has fallen from £20+ to £18 and is now £10 in HB (Keohan's
Sligo). Plenty of
families here: CREAN, JONES, MacDERMOT, MacDONAGH,
MAGUIRE, HART,
HARRISON, O'HARA, O'HIGGINS, and more.
Regards,
Jim
----- Original
Message -----
From: "Paul
Burns" <pjburns@prodigy.net>
To: "Jim
McDonald" <culrua@iol.ie>
Cc:
<IRL-SLIGO-L@rootsweb.com>
Sent: Saturday,
August 12, 2000 7:57 PM
Subject: Re:
[IRL-SLIGO] Book on Sligo
> Jim,> Thanks
for the book review. I have ordered Miariam Moffitt's book
from>
Amazon.com at US$10.50. Delivery will take 4-6 weeks, which I think
meansit
> will be
coming from over your way. Barnes & Noble lists the book but
sayst> does not
have it in stock.
> I hope you
will let us all know about any new publications that
concern> Sligo.
Joe McGowna will be publishing one soon, and I am hoping to
see areprint>
of "Down Gallows Hill."
> Paul Burns
From:
Fatarm@aol.com | Date:
Sat, 12 Aug 2000
22:49:37 EDT Subject: [CRYAN] Request for Crehan help
To:
CRYAN-L@rootsweb.com
This past week two
Crehans on our list have asked for help to connect
to other Crehan,
Creahan, etc. researchers. In particular, we seem to be
missing the
company of Theresa Mary, formerly amethyst@inch.com. Are
you now subscribed
under a new name? Email addressed to this address has been
returned. There
may be a possible connection.
Please respond to
this message through the list, in case there are
other Crehan
researchers waiting to connect.
From:
Fatarm@aol.com | Date: Sat, 12 Aug 2000
22:51:20 EDT
Subject: Re:
[CRYAN] Colin Crehan's people
To:
CRYAN-L@rootsweb.com
Thanks for posting
such a great list of people -- hopefully we'll find
that connection!
From:
Fatarm@aol.com | Date: Sat, 12 Aug 2000
23:04:43 EDT
Subject: [CRYAN]
Query on early Creans To: CRYAN-L@rootsweb.com
Colin, I received
your note and have to share:
I was pouring over
the CRYAN archives, and I found a
comment that (I
believe) you wrote:
"Are you
certain you want to claim the notorious
Crean's? I'm not
so certain I'd enjoy boasting of an
ancestor taking
payouts from Henry VIII !"
But I didn't see
anything else in the archive.
To what
incident/ancestor or you referring?
Sounds like juicy
gossip ...
Regards,
- Colin Crehan
- - - - - - - - -
- - - - - - - - - -
Colin, have you
been pouring over those archives or what? I better
start paying
attention to what I write!
Yes, one of the
Creans was awarded (money, I believe) from Henry VIII's
coffers for some
service performed. My memory is rusty. I can't even
remember if we
know what the service was. Was this the catching of the
fugitive thing?
Caoimhghin, help? I could look it up if I were
organized, or if
it were late September (things are a little hectic now) ... but
someone on this
list will remember better than I do, hopefully ... otherwise,
you'll have to
wait till September! -Leslie
From:
Fatarm@aol.com |
Date: Sat, 12 Aug
2000 23:15:20 EDT
Subject: Fwd:
[IRL-SLIGO] Crehan - O'Crean Pedigree
To:
caoimhghin@yahoo.com
Did you see this?
Thought it might interest you ... I honestly don't
have time but to
glance at it at the moment. Hope all's well with you --
Leslie- - - - - -
- - - - - - - -
From
SCK32160@aol.com |
Date: Sat, 12 Aug
2000 23:27:51 EDT
Subject: [CRYAN]
Connections to Crean
To:
CRYAN-L@rootsweb.com
Hi List,
I am trying to
gather sibling info to my GGGrandmother Catherine Crean
born in
Tawnalaughta(born abt. 1840?). She married William Farris of
Culleens in 1866
and they moved to Cooga and raised their family. If anyone on the
list has a William
and Catherine Farris as Baptismal sponsors or if you see
any Catherine
Crean connecting with your family could you inform me. If
anyone has an
Austin Crean connected to their family I would be interested as
he was my
Catherine's brother.
Thanks, Chris
Date: Sun, 13 Aug
2000 10:59:04 -0700 From: Joanne H Harrison <tthomson@direct.ca> | Subject: [IRL-SLIGO] Sligo genealogy To:
IRL-SLIGO-L@rootsweb.com
Hi there,
I found an
interesting and informative site:
http://sligo.local.ie/genealogy/
Joanne
Date: Sun, 13 Aug
2000 19:02:03 +0000 From: Patrick Hunt <pathunt@indigo.ie> | Subject: [CRYAN] Master Thomas Cryan To:
CRYAN-L@rootsweb.com
Hello all you
Cryan folks out there in Cyberspace,
I am trying to trace
the life of Thomas Cryan of Falleens,
Monasteraden,Co
Sligo. He was the school principal and driving force behind a school
inTownabrack which
became known as THE COLLEGE IN THE BOG. It earned this
sobriquet because
of Master Cryan's fame for securing scholarships for
hispupils.
I don't know when
or where he was born but he died in 1905 of TB and
isburied in
Monasteraden churchyard. He had two sons that I know of,
Williamand Thomas,
both of whom I discovered recently enjoyed second level
education at
Clongowes Wood College (Jesuit) in Clane, Co Kildare. The
boyswere students
there in the 1890s.
Thomas Cryan's
wife's maiden name was Casey, I think.
I also understand
that one of the boys was killed in a motor cycle
accident in Dublin
in the 1920s or 1930s. I heard somewhere that a
daughterof his was
US correspondent for the Times of London.
My personal
interest in Thomas Cryan is that he was the man
responsiblefor
educating my grandmother (Margaret Hannan from Kilfree) and her
siblings. He was a
remarkable man and does not deserve to have his life
andwork vanish
from the face of the earth.
Any help would be
greatly appreciated.
Patrick (Pat) Hunt
pathunt@indigo.ie
Reply-to:
"FamSpack" < > From: "FamSpack" < > | Date: Mon, 14 Aug 2000 00:42:26 +0100
Subject: [CRYAN]
FARRIS/CREAN To: CRYAN-L@rootsweb.com
I have found an
Honor FARRIS born 25 Jan 1870 with parents William
FARRISand
Carherine CREAN in Easky Co Sligo civil registration, if that is
anyhelp.EveDate:
#
Mon, 14 Aug 2000
08:03:33 -0400 From: Paul Burns <pjburns@prodigy.net> |
Subject:
[IRL-SLIGO] Downs Surveys
To:
IRL-SLIGO-L@rootsweb.com
Charlie Brown
asked another question about the Downs Survey, so I
dug intomy
Margaret Falley's "Irish and Scotch-Irish Ancestral Research," which
still isthe best
genealogy tome available despite its age (1968).
According to
Falley, the Down Survey (called "down" because info
was noteddown) was
conducted in 1654-59 by Dr. William Petty who had been
charged
withmapping the forfeited lands in 22 counties after the Cromwellian
victory. Thesurvey
contained maps, names of forfeiting owners, locations and
acreage,locations
of castles, towns, and forts. Fortunately four copies were
madebecause part
of one set was lost in a 1711 fire, the rest of that set
in the 1922fire,
and another set was captured by the French in 1707 when en route
fromDublin to
London (can be seen in the Bibliotheque Nacionale in Paris).
A thirdset is in
the possess of Petty's descendants, and the fourth was
acquired by
thegovernment in 1837 and now is in the National Archives.
What I saw years
ago when I was researching a Cromwellian family
was the"Books
of Survey and Distribution," derived from the Down Survey and
othersources. This
contains the names of those who received the land--mostly
Cromwellian
soldiers--as well as those who lost it. Volume 14 of this
coversLeitrim,
Sligo and part of Mayo. A copy of the Sligo portion is
available in
theSligo County Library.
Paul Burns wrote:
> Janet,>
Just what are you looking for? The Downs Survey and Book of
Survey and>
Distribution provided the name of the former proprietor, and acreage
and> parish,
and the name of the recipient--per a portion of it in an
appendix to>
Wood-Martin's History of Sligo. But I don't know if the entire Downs
Survey>
survived the 1922 four Courts fire.
> I do recall
spending many days in the National Library a decade
or so ago>
digging out info on land granted to a particular Cromwellian soldier.
It> ain't easy,
but much more has survived than most people realize.
> Paul>
> Janet
Crawford wrote:
>> >
----Original Message Follows----Jim McDonald wrote:
> > > She
notes that Co. Sligo was not included in the Cromwellian
> >
transplantation> > > of the 1650s. It was for Cromwell's soldiers.
> >> >
Can someone tell me if there is NO information about the evictees
and the> >
location of the land and the persons taking over the land in the
Down's> >
Survey for county Sligo? Am I reading this correctly. I want to
track a> >
Donnell Quillinan who was evicted by Cromwell. Since I have been
able to> >
find this, there must be some info someplace. Can anyone help me?
Janet> >
Crawford, Seattle
From: "Kevin
J. Crean" <Kevin_J._Crean@HUD.GOV> |
Date: Mon, 14 Aug
2000 08:48:57 -0400
Subject: Re:
[IRL-SLIGO] Sligo genealogy
To:
IRL-SLIGO-L@rootsweb.com
Dear Jane:We
traded e:mails recently about our common Bruen name. I recalled
that while Iwas
unable to locate my grandmother in the 1901 Irish Census (I believe
herfamily was in
England at the time) I did find another Bruen family
living
inTawnalaughta, in Kilglass parish. As I wrote to a cousin:
B4 - Michael &
Celia Browne - I think this may be a relation on my
grandmother
?sside. Anthony
Crean married Theresa Bruen. Although I am not able to
=locate acopy of
my grandmother? birth or baptismal certificates (I?m sure my
da=d hasthem) I
recall that her parents were named Brown or Browne while she
wa=s aBruen. I do
know that the prayer card for her mother identifies her
as= JaneBrowne.
What struck me when I came across this page is that while the
=household
members are listed
as Michael, Celia, Theresa, and Katie Browne the
hea=d of thefamily
signed the form ?Michael Bruen.?
The B4 refers to
the number on the census form. My Theresa had at
leas=t onesibling,
a brother, named James Henry Bruen. Her parents were Henry
Br=own andthe
former Jane McDermott.
-- Kevin
Date: Mon, 14 Aug
2000 07:53:38 -0700 (PDT)
From: Colin Crehan
<colin_crehan@yahoo.com> |
Subject: Fwd: Re:
[CRYAN] Colin Crehan's people
To: CRYAN-L@rootsweb.com
Kerry,My family
came from Newbridge, Ballinasloe, County
Galway (sold the
house 20 years ago). And my
Grandfather told
me that only two Crehan families were
from that area.
So, there's a good
chance that there may be a
connection ...
hopefully we can find it! I have not
found an Owen or
Bernard in my tree yet ... Hopefully
that will help
your search ... finding folks named
James,John,
Thomas, and Patrick is a little too easy
... :-)Do you know
of any family still in Ballinasloe?
Ireland?
To the folks
living in Ireland: Are there any
Crehan's still
living in Newbridge, Ballinasloe? I
remember meeting a
Jimmy Crehan there, when I was a
kid.BTW, if you
didn't already know, the name "Owen" is at
the root of the
Crehan name. When you see that Crehan
(Ó Croidheáin) if
a minor sept of the Cenel Eoghain
(Owen). That means
that we are from Owen's tribe.
County Tyrone -
Tir Owen - Land of Owen.
Inishowen - Owen's
Island
(see the tree that
I sent out previously)Regards, - Colin
From:
Kmcrehan@aol.com
Message-ID:
<28.940ee43.26c5eb21@aol.com>
Date: Fri, 11 Aug
2000 19:49:53 EDT
Subject: Re:
[CRYAN] Colin Crehan's people
Hello Colin and
David!, I am a Crehan! My Crehan's came from
Woodbrook/
Newbridge, Ballinasloe, County Galway. Here is my family line:
Owen Crehan
(1830-??)m Evelyn or Ellen Mulligan
John Crehan
(1859-1930) m Mary McGrath
Owen Crehan
(1894-1978)m Marguerite Dunn
Joseph Crehan
(1938- ) m Sheila Anderson
ME Kerry Crehan
(1966- ) m James McCauley
Owen and Evelyn's
Children: Mark, Mary, Michael, John*, and Thomas
John and Thomas
are the only ones who came to the states. Thomas never
married to my
knowledge. John was married to Mary McGrath in Anderson
Indiana. Their
brother Mark Crehan married Celia Crehan (she was a
crehan!) and their
children were Mary, Owen, Ellen, Bernard, and Michael.
I have been told
that my great grandfather came to the states with a
first cousin named
Bernard Crehan. Bernard would be the child of the brother
of my GG
grandfather Owen Crehan. I can not find any siblings of Owen.
Any of this sound
like it could fit into your trees??
Reply-to:
"Jim McDonald" <culrua@iol.ie>
From: "Jim
McDonald" <culrua@iol.ie> |
Subject: Re:
[IRL-SLIGO] Sligo genealogy Date: Mon, 14 Aug 2000 19:11:28 +0100
To:
IRL-SLIGO-L@rootsweb.com
Hi Jane,
You have to buy
the book but it's the best and available.
I think you know
that there is no Bruen listed for Drumcliff. Most of
yoursseem to be in
Rosses Point and if you haven't got them I can pass on
what Ihave.Some
Bruens from the other side of the bay:
St Molaise's
Graveyard Kilglass:
Mrs. Michael
BRUEN, Townalaughta, died Jan. 3. 1918, aged 72. Her
husbandMichael,
died May 21. 1946, aged 93. M(?) CREGG, died March 31. 1928,
aged8.
Enniscroane
Graveyard
1. Henry BRUEN,
Ballyogan, died 12 Aug. 1987, aged 88. His wife Celia
died
10 Dec. 1987, aged
79.
2. Michael CREAN
& Celia BRUEN (no dates).
Good luck with
your search,
Jim
McDonaldculrua@iol.ie
> Thank you
Jim,
>> I very
much appreciate your fascinating reply.
> No I hadn't
looked in MacLysaght's "Surnames of Ireland".Where would
Ifind>
this?> I had only looked on the Sligo website and I am grateful to you for
telling> me
about the origin of "my" names.
> I had heard,
from Bruen cousins in Rosses Point that there was once a
Bishop> Brone
in> early times whose ruined church was Killaspugbrone (near Sligo
airport)> where
St. Patrick is said to have broken his tooth..
> Ah there are
some good tales from Ireland.> All the best to you,> Jane Kelly
Kevin,You might
have this already and sorry to see that Michael and Celia
have
nodates.Enniscroane Graveyard
1. Michael CREAN
& Celia BRUEN (no dates).
St Molaise's
Graveyard Kilglass:
1. Michael CREAN,
Townalaughta, Cullens, born 1842 died 1923.
Daughter-in-law
Anna H. CONMY (nee CREAN) born 6 Feb. 1888, died 11
April1923. His
wife Mary CONMY (nee CONMY) late of Stokan, Castleconnor born
1842died 3 Aug
1925. (The dates and relationships are as given but do they
makesence?)
Killanley New
Graveyard
1. Edward Crean,
died 2 Jan 1932. His wife Mary died 30 March 1945.
Theirson Edward,
died 29 July 1956.
2. Mary Crean,
Carrowcarden, died 2 Jan. 1971.
Jim
McDonaldCulrua@iol.ie
----- Original
Message -----
From: "Kevin
J. Crean" <Kevin_J._Crean@HUD.GOV>
To:
<IRL-SLIGO-L@rootsweb.com>
Sent: Monday,
August 14, 2000 2:23 PM
Subject: Re:
[IRL-SLIGO] Need birth record copy from Sligo
> Dear
MaryAnn,> Thank you so much for the advice. Sounds like I have much work to
do. Idon't>
know how long either Michael or Celia were in Kilglass so I don't
knowexactly>
where to begin my search but I guess I can start there and fan out.
I had> planned
to look through the register of births, marriages and deaths
at mylocal>
FHC. Are you suggesting that this will be a blind alley? I am
relatively>
certain that both of my great-grandparents died in 1920 and I found
what I> believe
to be one of them listed on some film I reviewed. I didn't
orderit> yet,
figuring I would group several requests together. I suppose I
canalso> track
down their marriage certificate this way, if as you wrote, the
records go>
back to 1864.
>> -- Kevin
>>
MAHorn25@aol.com on 08/13/2000 10:26:13 PM
>
> To: Kevin J.
Crean/CPD/NYN/HUD@HUD
> cc:>
Subject: Re: [IRL-SLIGO] Need birth record copy from Sligo
>> Hello
Kevin,
> The office
for civil registration here in Sligo has no facilities to
doany kind> of
searching on your own. The civil registration only goes back as
far as1864> and
then it's spotty. There are other sources but you would either
need tofind> a
researcher here or make a trip on your own to find the things you
arelooking
> for. I would
suggest that you start with the parish records of
Kilglass.The
> records there
go back to 1825. You may find Michael's birth or his
marriage to>
Celia. I doubt you'll find both unless they were both from Kilglass,
couples> were
almost always married in the church of the bride. In that case
youwill> have
hit paydirt having them both from the same parish whose records
goback> another
generation.
> MaryAnn
From:
Fatarm@aol.com |
Date: Tue, 15 Aug
2000 16:18:32 EDT
Subject: Re:
[CRYAN] Master Thomas Cryan
To:
CRYAN-L@rootsweb.com
Thank you so much
for sharing that interesting story about Master
Cryan, Pat. It's
always neat to get a slice of history when reading about names,
birthdates, etc.
Good luck in your hunt, Leslie
Reply-to:
"FamSpack" < >
From:
"FamSpack" < > |
Date: Wed, 16 Aug
2000 10:08:54 +0100
Subject: [CRYAN]
Re Robert CRYAN and family
To:
CRYAN-L@rootsweb.com
Hi Leslie,
I have added to my
collection of CRYAN births marriages and deaths and
sorted them by
place . This group seems to stand together and seems to
fitthe information
that you gave a long time ago.
Robert CRYAN m
1871 in Galway index no 14.131
Peter b 1871 in
Castlebar 4.157
Catherine b 1873
in Galway 4.315
Ellen b 1874 in
Ballinrobe 14.54
Robert b 1876 in
Ballinrobe 14.48
Mary Frances b
1878(2) in Ballinrobe 4.57
George b 1879(3)
in Ballinrobe 4.59 died 1880(2) 4.26
Anne Marrie b
1881(2) in Ballinrobe 4.53
Patrick Joseph b
1883(2) in Ballinrobe 4.49
Thomas b 1885(1)
in Newport 4.387
Agnes b 1887(4) in
Castlebar 4.91
John Henry b
1890(3) in Castlebar 4.93
I have not as yet
checked that the matching code for Robert's marriage
isfor Frances FOX
but it looks pretty convincing so far . There are no
othersat this time
in Co Galway.
I hope that this
is helpful, but if you already have it - ignore.
Happy hunting Eve
Date: Wed, 16 Aug
2000 16:02:41 -0400 From:
Paul Burns
<pjburns@prodigy.net> |
Subject:
[IRL-SLIGO] Kilgallon Photo Store in Sligo
To:
IRL-SLIGO-L@rootsweb.com
Late last year, someone
asked me to check a photo shop in Sligo to
see if it still
exists. I believe the requester had an old photo and
wastrying to date
it. After my January visit to Sligo, I reported that
there was no such
shop on the street he named.
If (I don't
remember) the query concerned the Kilgallon Studio, I
have just finished
looking at a booklet entitled "Looking Back at
Sligo's Past:
Photographs & Reminiscences of Old Sligo," which contains
about 25 old
photos of Sligo buildings and street scenes that came from
the
"Kilgallon Collection."
On the last page
of this booklet, Mr. Alec Foley said that when
Kilgallon died,
his old glass plates were dumped in the marshes. A Mr.
Slater saw them
and started bringing them home from his walks a few at
atime. He
eventually recovered about 2000 of them, mostly family
portraits. When
Mr. Slater died they came into the possession of Mr.
Foley who says
that for further information he can be contacted at 16
Markievicz
Heights, Sligo, Tel. 071 69484.
Wed, 16 Aug 2000
13:58:53 -0500 From: "Shelly
Crynes" <SCrynes@hillcrest.com> | To:
<caoimhghin@yahoo.com> Subject:
Cryan/Crynes Connection
Kevin,
I just came across your name as
an expert on the Cryan name and its
variants. I have been trying in vain to locate
information on the name
Crynes. I do know that my husband's great grandfather
was born in Durham
County, England and his name was
John Crynes (I corresponded with an
elderly woman in England for a
while with the surname Cryan but she has
now passed away. However, before she passed away she sent me
some
pictures that look greatly
resemble my father-in-law and his father's
family.) Have you ever come across this surname in
connection with Cryan?
Another family member told me
that they believe John was raised by a
woman named Catherine Crynes
McCombs and they are not sure who his parents
were but that they were both
Irish. Catherine's husband, Frank
McCombs, was from Scotland and it
is told that he was a member of the IRA
which is why they left
England. So many stories, but nothing
solid. If
you are interested, I will send
you more specific details with dates,
etcetera. I am at work now so I don't have all the
information with me.
Any help at all would be
appreciated. Thanks so much!
Shelly Crynes
Fatarm@aol.com | Date:
Thu, 17 Aug 2000 10:20:13 EDT Subject:
Re: [CRYAN] Re Robert CRYAN and family To:
CRYAN-L@rootsweb.com
Thank you very much for your
help, Eve. It was very kind of you to
put
this
together for me. It certainly is an interesting collection of
names
and
dates.
Although the names in most
instances match up (the death of an infant
George
wouldn't have been known to his
sister Agnes let alone her daughter/my
grandmother very possibly, nor
did my Grandmother mention having uncles
"Peter" and
"Patrick Joseph"), you have certainly connected quite a few
people for me possibly. Especially because sibling Mary's middle name
was
Frances, I'm optimistic that
you've found me a new location to look
into,
Ballinrobe. And Thomas was born in Newport, too. Hmm.
Now I just
have to
figure out where that is!
I'm also a little surprised at
the marriage date (1871), because Robert
Sr.'s
wife Frances Fox would have been
about 18 -- absolutely possible, but I
was
expecting her to be older, I
guess (we're pretty sure of her birthdate
in
1853). The only other potential snafu in the theory
that all these
people
are in my family would be that I
could have sworn my grandmother said
her
mother Agnes (second youngest in
your list) was the second oldest
daughter.