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Date: Wed, 9 Aug 2000 20:23:21 -0700 (PDT)

From: Colin Crehan <colin_crehan@yahoo.com> |

Subject: [IRL-SLIGO] Crehan - O'Crean Pedigree

To: IRL-SLIGO-L@rootsweb.com

Hello all!

I just signed up to the Sligo Listing today, after

hearing that there was a discussion of O'Crean (what

did I miss?).I just started to investigate the CREHAN name about a

month ago.I was wondering ... is CREAN truly 2 or 3 similar

surnames? Are they related?

Ó Croidheáin -O'Crean -Donegal/Sligo - Cenel Eoghain

Ó Creacháin - Crehan - Mayo - the Uí Fiachrach

Ó Criocháin - Crehan or Creighton - Tyrone- Oriel sept

Any information on the Crean/Crehan name would be

appreciated!

Here is a CREAN Pedigree compilation that I pieced

together from various sources (O'Hart, O'Clery,

O'Ferral, etc.). As I have just begun ... none of

this has been verified yet. It is meant to bring all

CREAN surnames back to a common ancestor.

This may come accross badly due to artificially

inserted line breaks. Simply copy the text into

Notepad (or whatever), and delete the artificial

breaks. Sorry :-(

=============

Eochaidh

Muigh-Meadhoin

(High King

Eochaidh XII) +365

Mong Fionn

Carthan Cais Dubh (or Cariona)

daughter of the

King of Connacht

Celtic King of Briton

_________________________________________|

| | | |

Brian Ailill Fiachu Fergus

Niall Mor

(Fiachra

'of the Nine Hostages'

Folt-leathan;

(O'Neil)

Uí Fiachrach)

+405

___________________|_____

|______________________________________________________________

| |

| | | | |

| |

Amhailgadh Dathi

Eoghain Laoghaire Eanna Maine Cairbre

Conal Conal

(2nd Christian King +428

(Owen; +465; a

Cremthainn Gulban

of Connaught) |

quo Cenel Eoghainn)

_________________________|___________________

|_______________________________________________________________

| | | |

| | |

| |

Eocha Breac Olioll Molt Fiachra Ealg

Amhailgadh Muiredaigh Ailill Fergus

Feilim Eochaidh

+478 (129th Monarch of (O'Dowd) (Forbes

& +480 (Muinntear (O Conchubhair (O

Duibhdhiorma) Binnigh

| Ireland) +478

MacFirbis) | Cheallaigh) of Magh

Ith) MacDermott- (O'Garvey;

| O'Kelly O'Connor

O'Diorma Cineal

| Derry Co. Cinel Fearghusa

mBinnigh)

|_______________________________________________

| | |

Eoghan

Muircheartach Feradaigh Tigernach

Moein/Maon/Mongan/Maine?

|_____________

(Mac Earca) | (Cunningham,

(O'Crean, O'Crodden

| |

High King Mac Cathmaoil) O'Hosey,

O'Gormley, O'Luinigh

| |

+527 Mac Cawell;Tyrone Tierney)

O'Mulcerby;

| |

O'Brollaghan;Donegal

a quo Cenel Moain)

| |

_______________________________________________|

| |

Conall Conn Berneach (Moghan)

Colmain

Gobhneann

Faelain

Cobthach

Edalaigh

|____________________

| |

Columhan Aodh

Tendalaigh (Scralach)

(Colman; 10th (Cahill, of

Christian King Connaught)

of Connaught)

|_______________________

| |

Guaire Aidhne Hugh

Ferdalaigh (Crean ? A quo O'Crean of Mayo &

Sligo)

(12th Christian king;

a quo O'Guaire)

Gairmlegaigh

+655

|______________________

| |

Dalbaigh (Donal ?) Cridhegen

| (O Croidheain or

O'Crean of Tyrone)

Crean oge (?)

>From Guaire are descended the chief septs

of the Uí Fiachrach Aidhne. Including

O'Creachain Crehan, Greghan, Gehan, Graham, O'Criadhen

Creedan

============

Regards,

- Colin Crehan

colin_crehan@yahoo.com

From: "Kevin J. Crean" <Kevin_J._Crean@HUD.GOV> |

Date: Thu, 10 Aug 2000 09:02:53 -0400

Subject: Re: [IRL-SLIGO] O'Crean

To: IRL-SLIGO-L@rootsweb.com

Colin:Attached is one of the more informative e:mails regarding the Crean

name thatyou may have missed.

And "thank you" to Jim McDonald. I have been reading your numerous

responses toquestions posed by other listers and am always impressed by the breadth

anddepth of your knowledge and ready access to sources.

---------------------- Forwarded by Kevin J. Crean/CPD/NYN/HUD on

08/10/2000

09:09 AM ---------------------------

"Jim McDonald" <culrua@iol.ie> on 08/04/2000 09:52:43 PM

Please respond to "Jim McDonald" <culrua@iol.ie>

To: IRL-SLIGO-L@rootsweb.com

cc: (bcc: Kevin J. Crean/CPD/NYN/HUD)

Subject: Re: [IRL-SLIGO] O'Crean

Paul,

A few years ago a namesake of yours was commissioned to research and

publisha history of enterprises in Sligo. I don't know what's happened to it

buthopefully it will emerge and throw some light on the subject. The

question

you pose is an interesting one and it is strange that there is so

little on

this family and only a few of the name in Sligo. I count 3 in the phone

book

although there are 42 in neighbouring counties. There are also 14

CREANES

and 59 CREHANS, again almost all in other counties.

O'Rorke (1889) from whom I quoted gives an account of the CREAN family

butdoesn't make us any the wiser on what happened to them as merchants.

Originally from Tirconnell they settled in Sligo at the end of the

fifteenthcentury. The first recorded is Cormac O'CRAIAN d1506, buried with his

wifeNanangasa. The Four Masters record, under the year 1572, the death of

HenryO'CREAN. O'Rorke says the "O'CREANS were not long in Sligo when they

beganto invest money in land... Andrew O'CREAN (d1641) ...possessed not only

Hazelwood and much of the parishes of Carbury and St. John... but

considerable stretches of land in Leyney, Tireagh, and Coolavin, as

well asthe abbey of Ballindoon, in the barony of Tirerrill." Andrew CREAN,

prior ofSligo became Bishop of Elphin while John CREAN survived the attempt to

charge him with the "massacre of 1641". Writing on the parish of

KilmacteigeO'Rorke says, "under the Cromwellian Settlement, the O'HARAS, the

O'HIGGINS,the O'CREANS, and the MacSWYNES disappeared.

This is probably well known to you and CREAN searchers but thought I

wouldpost it for general interest. The CREAN presence in Mayo, Roscommon

andGalway does suggest a movement southwards for the main group of the

family.This doesn't answer the question of course.

Jim McDonald

culrua@iol.ie

----- Original Message -----

From: "Paul Burns" <pjburns@prodigy.net>

To: "Jim McDonald" <culrua@iol.ie>

Cc: <IRL-SLIGO-L@rootsweb.com>

Sent: Friday, August 04, 2000 3:00 PM

Subject: Re: [IRL-SLIGO] O'Crean

> Jim,

> As you undoubtedly know, Wood-Martin has surprising little to say

about the> Crean family other than that they were the merchant princes of Sligo

forseveral> centuries. Mary O'Dowd provides much more info on them in her "Power

Politics &> Land: Sligo 1568-1688." She said Roger Jones, the Protestant,

gainedfrom the> marriage of Elicia Jones (whom she said was probably his niece) to

Roebuck> Crean, calling the match "profitable and shrewd" and "a wise move to

allywith> them rather than try to establish a rival business" of importing and

exporting.

> What happened to the merchant family of Creans? It seemed to have

survived> the Cromwellian confiscations. Could it have been one of Sligo's many

plagues or> lack of male heirs?

> Paul Burns

==============================

Please respond to "Jim McDonald" <culrua@iol.ie>

book

although there are 42 in neighbouring counties. There are also 14

CREANES

and 59 CREHANS, again almost all in other counties.

O'Rorke (1889) from whom I quoted gives an account of the CREAN family

but

doesn't make us any the wiser on what happened to them as merchants.

Originally from Tirconnell they settled in Sligo at the end of the

fifteenth

century. The first recorded is Cormac O'CRAIAN d1506, buried with his

wife

Nanangasa. The Four Masters record, under the year 1572, the death of

Henry

O'CREAN. O'Rorke says the "O'CREANS were not long in Sligo when they

began

to invest money in land... Andrew O'CREAN (d1641) ...possessed not only

Hazelwood and much of the parishes of Carbury and St. John... but

considerable stretches of land in Leyney, Tireagh, and Coolavin, as

well as

the abbey of Ballindoon, in the barony of Tirerrill." Andrew CREAN,

prior of

Sligo became Bishop of Elphin while John CREAN survived the attempt to

charge him with the "massacre of 1641". Writing on the parish of

Kilmacteige

O'Rorke says, "under the Cromwellian Settlement, the O'HARAS, the

O'HIGGINS,

the O'CREANS, and the MacSWYNES disappeared.

This is probably well known to you and CREAN searchers but thought I

wouldpost it for general interest. The CREAN presence in Mayo, Roscommon

andGalway does suggest a movement southwards for the main group of the

family.This doesn't answer the question of course.

Jim McDonald

culrua@iol.ie

----- Original Message -----

From: "Paul Burns" <pjburns@prodigy.net>

To: "Jim McDonald" <culrua@iol.ie>

Cc: <IRL-SLIGO-L@rootsweb.com>

Sent: Friday, August 04, 2000 3:00 PM

Subject: Re: [IRL-SLIGO] O'Crean

> Jim,

> As you undoubtedly know, Wood-Martin has surprising little to say

about the

> Crean family other than that they were the merchant princes of Sligo

for

several

> centuries. Mary O'Dowd provides much more info on them in her "Power

Politics &

> Land: Sligo 1568-1688." She said Roger Jones, the Protestant,

gained

from the

> marriage of Elicia Jones (whom she said was probably his niece) to

Roebuck

> Crean, calling the match "profitable and shrewd" and "a wise move to

ally

with

> them rather than try to establish a rival business" of importing and

exporting.

> What happened to the merchant family of Creans? It seemed to have

survived

> the Cromwellian confiscations. Could it have been one of Sligo's many

plagues or

> lack of male heirs?Paul Burns

Date: Fri, 11 Aug 2000 13:24:25 -0400 caoimhghin@yahoo.com

From: Ali Crehan <alison_crehan@yahoo.com> |

Subject: Your wonderful website!

Caoimhghin -

just a quick note to let you know what a fantastic resource your

website has been for me thus far in my research on the Crehans! Thank

you for all thew work you have put into it!

Cheers,Ali

Date: Fri, 11 Aug 2000 13:44:33 -0700 (PDT)

From: Colin Crehan <colin_crehan@yahoo.com> |

Subject: [CRYAN] Colin Crehan's people To: CRYAN-L@rootsweb.com

Colin Crehan's people.

Since you would be interested in my CREHAN ancestors,

here is the line of Crehan men, their siblings, and

their siblings' decendents (what little I know).

I am Colin (1969),

son of Donald (1947),

son of Michael (1898),

son of James (*),

son of John,

son of James/John.

*Since my grandfather was the 10th of 10 children, I'd

guess that my ggrandfather, James, was born in the

1850's or so. I'm disappointed that the record trails

off so quickly.

My grandfather mentioned to my father that he thought

his people came to Ballinasloe, Co. Galway from Co.

Caven.

Does anyone know of CREHANs from Co Galway or Co

Caven?Let me know if you can tie into this tree!

My convention F = Father; FF = Father's Father; etc.

Note: all dates are in American (mm/dd/yyyy) format.

______________

Generation 1: * Me - Colin Michael Belsito Crehan

(Bethesda, MD, USA)

*1 Colin Michael Belsito Crehan (12/27/1969)

--Married--[Amy Elizabeth Belsito (8/18/1973)]

2 Ann Mary Crehan (7/30/1974)

_______________

Generation 2: *F - Donald Thomas Crehan

(New York City, USA)

1 Mary Julia Crehan (8/29/1941 - )

--Divorce--[George Lidicker]

1 Eric Crehan Lidicker (8/2/1968 - )

--Married--[Dana Andrews]

2 Margaret Frances Crehan (10/22/1942 - )

--Married--[Salvatore Umana]

*3 Donald Thomas Crehan (3/19/1947 - )

--Married--[Bridget Bernadette Dougherty

(8/5/1942 - )(Ballycastle, Mayo, Ire)]

_______________

Generation 3: *FF - Michael Crehan

(Ballinasloe, Galway, Ire)

1 Mary Crehan (? - ?) --Married--[Nolan]

NJ,USA

1 Marty Nolan --Married--[?]

x Big Family

2 Jimmy Nolan --Divorce--[?]

3 Danny Nolan

4 Marie Nolan

5 Dorothy Nolan

6 Katherine Nolan --Married--[?]

a Peter (Priest)

2 Bridget Crehan (? - ?) --Married--[Tom Nolan]

1 Tommy Nolan

2 Margaret Nolan --Married--[Colozze]

3 Katherine --Married--[Nagel]

a Joan Nagel --Married--[Palmer]

b Patsie

4 Pat (Did not marry)

3 John Crehan (? - ?) --Married--[Mildred]

Goose Creek,NC,USA

a Jimmy Crehan

b Jeannie Crehan

(Bloomfield - Glen Burnie, MD,USA)

c John Crehan

(B17 Tail Gunner in WWII - Shot Down

over Marshall Islands - 7th Air Force)

4 Katherine Crehan(? - 4/29/1970) (No Children)

5 Julia Crehan (? - ?) Died age 10

6 Patrick Crehan (? - ?) Died as baby

7 James Crehan Jr. (? - ?) Died age 17

8 Thomas Crehan (? - 5/19/1974) (No Children)

9 Laurence Crehan (? - ?)--Married--[Rose Donnelly]

a Jimmy Crehan (? - ?) --Married--[Mary]

a girl

b boy

c boy

b Martha Crehan (? - ?)--Married--[?]

a Mary Rose

b Katherine

c boy

d boy

*10 Michael Crehan (8/15 or 18/1898 - 12/25/1991)

--Married--[Mary Naughton (1904? - 1995)

(Ballina, Galway, Ire)]

_______________

Generation 4: *FFF - James Crehan

(Ballinasloe, Galway, Ire ?)

*a James Crehan (? - ?)

--Married-- [Mary Killilea(? - ?)]

b Patrick Crehan

c girl Crehan (? - ?)---Widow---[Hopkins]

? --Married--[ Hannon]

(on Titanic)

d Mary Crehan (? - ?)--Married--[Mooler]

--------------------------

Generation 5: *FFFF - John Crehan

* John Crehan (? - ?)

--Married--[ McDonald (? - ?)]

--------------------------

Generation 6: *FFFFF - John/James Crehan

* John or James Crehan (? - ?)

================================================

Date: Fri, 11 Aug 2000 14:04:41 -0700 (PDT) From: Colin Crehan <colin_crehan@yahoo.com> | Subject: [CRYAN] Jeanne Vitale > Michael Crehan

To: CRYAN-L@rootsweb.com

Fatarm@aol.com posted the following note on Sept. 8,

1998:

Another poster of names! Yeah!:

The Crehan's I have are my maternal grandmother's

family, and the spelling hasbeen consistant for a

while. I've seen it on my line spelled Creghan

too.These are the names I have.Michael Crehan b 1855

Ballybane, Co. Galway married--Catherine Kinsella b

1855

Ballybane, Co. Galwaychildren: :Matthew Bernard Daniel

Lawrence Michael Winifred Ellen DeliaJamesCatherine

Margaret Bernard was mygreat-grandfather. He came to the US in 1909, and got

his papers in 1919. My grandmother doesn't know very

much else, she went to Ireland in the late 70's and

met some family, but has since lost touch. Thanks

again, please let me know if anything sounds familiar.

Best,Jeanne Vitale

=====

Did Jeanne post to the list? If not, where did this

post originate?

Jeanne,

I don't know where Ballybane, Co. Galway is ... but,

when I visited Galway in 1985, I visited with a

relative. An old woman named "Winnie" somewhere near

Ballinasloe, Co. Galway (I can find out where).

1) I wonder if your Winifred Crehan is my Winnie

Crehan.

2) Michael Crehan (b 1855) would be about the same age

as my ggrandfather, James. I don't know James'

siblings. Do you know Michael's siblings?

Regards,

- Colin Crehan

From: "Janet Crawford" <reojan@hotmail.com> |

Subject: Re: [IRL-SLIGO] Book on the Shelf/Enniscoe Pratts

Date: Sat, 12 Aug 2000 10:10:22 PDT

To: IRL-SLIGO-L@rootsweb.com

----Original Message Follows----Jim McDonald wrote:

> She notes that Co. Sligo was not included in the Cromwellian

transplantation > of the 1650s. It was for Cromwell's soldiers.

Can someone tell me if there is NO information about the evictees and

the location of the land and the persons taking over the land in the Down's

Survey for county Sligo? Am I reading this correctly. I want to track a

Donnell Quillinan who was evicted by Cromwell. Since I have been able

to find this, there must be some info someplace. Can anyone help me? Janet

Crawford, Seattle

Date: Sat, 12 Aug 2000 15:10:46 -0400 From:

Paul Burns <pjburns@prodigy.net> |

Subject: Re: [IRL-SLIGO] Book on the Shelf/Enniscoe Pratts

To: IRL-SLIGO-L@rootsweb.com

Janet,

Just what are you looking for? The Downs Survey and Book of Survey

andDistribution provided the name of the former proprietor, and acreage

andparish, and the name of the recipient--per a portion of it in an

appendix toWood-Martin's History of Sligo. But I don't know if the entire Downs

Surveysurvived the 1922 four Courts fire.

I do recall spending many days in the National Library a decade or

so agodigging out info on land granted to a particular Cromwellian soldier.

Itain't easy, but much more has survived than most people realize.

Paul

Janet Crawford wrote:

> ----Original Message Follows----Jim McDonald wrote:

> >> > She notes that Co. Sligo was not included in the Cromwellian

> transplantation> > of the 1650s. It was for Cromwell's soldiers.

>> Can someone tell me if there is NO information about the evictees and

the> location of the land and the persons taking over the land in the

Down's> Survey for county Sligo? Am I reading this correctly. I want to track

a> Donnell Quillinan who was evicted by Cromwell. Since I have been able

to> find this, there must be some info someplace. Can anyone help me?

JanetCrawford, Seattle

Reply-to: "Jim McDonald" <culrua@iol.ie> From:

"Jim McDonald" <culrua@iol.ie> |

Subject: Re: [IRL-SLIGO] Book on Sligo Date:

Sat, 12 Aug 2000 21:18:29 +0100 To: IRL-SLIGO-L@rootsweb.com

Paul,It's available from the Booknest and the publishers are at www.iap.ie

Thebook is based on a theses submitted for an M.A. in Local History.

Anotherbook in the series is on P.A. McHUGH proprietor of the Sligo Champion

andMember of Parliament for Sligo.

I know you have a copy Paul but anyone wishing to get O'DOWD, M (1991)

'Power, politics and land: Early Modern Sligo 1568-1688'. Belfast: The

Institute of Irish Studies. The Queen's University of Belfast, should

do soas the price has fallen from £20+ to £18 and is now £10 in HB (Keohan's

Sligo). Plenty of families here: CREAN, JONES, MacDERMOT, MacDONAGH,

MAGUIRE, HART, HARRISON, O'HARA, O'HIGGINS, and more.

Regards,

Jim

----- Original Message -----

From: "Paul Burns" <pjburns@prodigy.net>

To: "Jim McDonald" <culrua@iol.ie>

Cc: <IRL-SLIGO-L@rootsweb.com>

Sent: Saturday, August 12, 2000 7:57 PM

Subject: Re: [IRL-SLIGO] Book on Sligo

> Jim,> Thanks for the book review. I have ordered Miariam Moffitt's book

from> Amazon.com at US$10.50. Delivery will take 4-6 weeks, which I think

meansit

> will be coming from over your way. Barnes & Noble lists the book but

sayst> does not have it in stock.

> I hope you will let us all know about any new publications that

concern> Sligo. Joe McGowna will be publishing one soon, and I am hoping to

see areprint> of "Down Gallows Hill."

> Paul Burns

From: Fatarm@aol.com | Date:

Sat, 12 Aug 2000 22:49:37 EDT Subject: [CRYAN] Request for Crehan help

To: CRYAN-L@rootsweb.com

This past week two Crehans on our list have asked for help to connect

to other Crehan, Creahan, etc. researchers. In particular, we seem to be

missing the company of Theresa Mary, formerly amethyst@inch.com. Are

you now subscribed under a new name? Email addressed to this address has been

returned. There may be a possible connection.

Please respond to this message through the list, in case there are

other Crehan researchers waiting to connect.

From: Fatarm@aol.com | Date: Sat, 12 Aug 2000 22:51:20 EDT

Subject: Re: [CRYAN] Colin Crehan's people

To: CRYAN-L@rootsweb.com

Thanks for posting such a great list of people -- hopefully we'll find

that connection!

From: Fatarm@aol.com | Date: Sat, 12 Aug 2000 23:04:43 EDT

Subject: [CRYAN] Query on early Creans To: CRYAN-L@rootsweb.com

Colin, I received your note and have to share:

I was pouring over the CRYAN archives, and I found a

comment that (I believe) you wrote:

"Are you certain you want to claim the notorious

Crean's? I'm not so certain I'd enjoy boasting of an

ancestor taking payouts from Henry VIII !"

But I didn't see anything else in the archive.

To what incident/ancestor or you referring?

Sounds like juicy gossip ...

Regards,

- Colin Crehan

- - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - -

Colin, have you been pouring over those archives or what? I better

start paying attention to what I write!

Yes, one of the Creans was awarded (money, I believe) from Henry VIII's

coffers for some service performed. My memory is rusty. I can't even

remember if we know what the service was. Was this the catching of the

fugitive thing? Caoimhghin, help? I could look it up if I were

organized, or if it were late September (things are a little hectic now) ... but

someone on this list will remember better than I do, hopefully ... otherwise,

you'll have to wait till September! -Leslie

From: Fatarm@aol.com |

Date: Sat, 12 Aug 2000 23:15:20 EDT

Subject: Fwd: [IRL-SLIGO] Crehan - O'Crean Pedigree

To: caoimhghin@yahoo.com

Did you see this? Thought it might interest you ... I honestly don't

have time but to glance at it at the moment. Hope all's well with you --

Leslie- - - - - - - - - - - - - -

From SCK32160@aol.com |

Date: Sat, 12 Aug 2000 23:27:51 EDT

Subject: [CRYAN] Connections to Crean

To: CRYAN-L@rootsweb.com

Hi List,

I am trying to gather sibling info to my GGGrandmother Catherine Crean

born in Tawnalaughta(born abt. 1840?). She married William Farris of

Culleens in 1866 and they moved to Cooga and raised their family. If anyone on the

list has a William and Catherine Farris as Baptismal sponsors or if you see

any Catherine Crean connecting with your family could you inform me. If

anyone has an Austin Crean connected to their family I would be interested as

he was my Catherine's brother.

Thanks, Chris

Date: Sun, 13 Aug 2000 10:59:04 -0700 From: Joanne H Harrison <tthomson@direct.ca> | Subject: [IRL-SLIGO] Sligo genealogy To: IRL-SLIGO-L@rootsweb.com

Hi there,

I found an interesting and informative site:

http://sligo.local.ie/genealogy/

Joanne

Date: Sun, 13 Aug 2000 19:02:03 +0000 From: Patrick Hunt <pathunt@indigo.ie> | Subject: [CRYAN] Master Thomas Cryan To:

CRYAN-L@rootsweb.com

Hello all you Cryan folks out there in Cyberspace,

I am trying to trace the life of Thomas Cryan of Falleens,

Monasteraden,Co Sligo. He was the school principal and driving force behind a school

inTownabrack which became known as THE COLLEGE IN THE BOG. It earned this

sobriquet because of Master Cryan's fame for securing scholarships for

hispupils.

I don't know when or where he was born but he died in 1905 of TB and

isburied in Monasteraden churchyard. He had two sons that I know of,

Williamand Thomas, both of whom I discovered recently enjoyed second level

education at Clongowes Wood College (Jesuit) in Clane, Co Kildare. The

boyswere students there in the 1890s.

Thomas Cryan's wife's maiden name was Casey, I think.

I also understand that one of the boys was killed in a motor cycle

accident in Dublin in the 1920s or 1930s. I heard somewhere that a

daughterof his was US correspondent for the Times of London.

My personal interest in Thomas Cryan is that he was the man

responsiblefor educating my grandmother (Margaret Hannan from Kilfree) and her

siblings. He was a remarkable man and does not deserve to have his life

andwork vanish from the face of the earth.

Any help would be greatly appreciated.

Patrick (Pat) Hunt

pathunt@indigo.ie

Reply-to: "FamSpack" < > From: "FamSpack" < > | Date: Mon, 14 Aug 2000 00:42:26 +0100

Subject: [CRYAN] FARRIS/CREAN To: CRYAN-L@rootsweb.com

I have found an Honor FARRIS born 25 Jan 1870 with parents William

FARRISand Carherine CREAN in Easky Co Sligo civil registration, if that is

anyhelp.EveDate:

Mon, 14 Aug 2000 08:03:33 -0400 From: Paul Burns <pjburns@prodigy.net> |

Subject: [IRL-SLIGO] Downs Surveys

To: IRL-SLIGO-L@rootsweb.com

Charlie Brown asked another question about the Downs Survey, so I

dug intomy Margaret Falley's "Irish and Scotch-Irish Ancestral Research," which

still isthe best genealogy tome available despite its age (1968).

According to Falley, the Down Survey (called "down" because info

was noteddown) was conducted in 1654-59 by Dr. William Petty who had been

charged withmapping the forfeited lands in 22 counties after the Cromwellian

victory. Thesurvey contained maps, names of forfeiting owners, locations and

acreage,locations of castles, towns, and forts. Fortunately four copies were

madebecause part of one set was lost in a 1711 fire, the rest of that set

in the 1922fire, and another set was captured by the French in 1707 when en route

fromDublin to London (can be seen in the Bibliotheque Nacionale in Paris).

A thirdset is in the possess of Petty's descendants, and the fourth was

acquired by thegovernment in 1837 and now is in the National Archives.

What I saw years ago when I was researching a Cromwellian family

was the"Books of Survey and Distribution," derived from the Down Survey and

othersources. This contains the names of those who received the land--mostly

Cromwellian soldiers--as well as those who lost it. Volume 14 of this

coversLeitrim, Sligo and part of Mayo. A copy of the Sligo portion is

available in theSligo County Library.

Paul Burns wrote:

> Janet,> Just what are you looking for? The Downs Survey and Book of

Survey and> Distribution provided the name of the former proprietor, and acreage

and> parish, and the name of the recipient--per a portion of it in an

appendix to> Wood-Martin's History of Sligo. But I don't know if the entire Downs

Survey> survived the 1922 four Courts fire.

> I do recall spending many days in the National Library a decade

or so ago> digging out info on land granted to a particular Cromwellian soldier.

It> ain't easy, but much more has survived than most people realize.

> Paul>

> Janet Crawford wrote:

>> > ----Original Message Follows----Jim McDonald wrote:

> > > She notes that Co. Sligo was not included in the Cromwellian

> > transplantation> > > of the 1650s. It was for Cromwell's soldiers.

> >> > Can someone tell me if there is NO information about the evictees

and the> > location of the land and the persons taking over the land in the

Down's> > Survey for county Sligo? Am I reading this correctly. I want to

track a> > Donnell Quillinan who was evicted by Cromwell. Since I have been

able to> > find this, there must be some info someplace. Can anyone help me?

Janet> > Crawford, Seattle

From: "Kevin J. Crean" <Kevin_J._Crean@HUD.GOV> |

Date: Mon, 14 Aug 2000 08:48:57 -0400

Subject: Re: [IRL-SLIGO] Sligo genealogy

To: IRL-SLIGO-L@rootsweb.com

Dear Jane:We traded e:mails recently about our common Bruen name. I recalled

that while Iwas unable to locate my grandmother in the 1901 Irish Census (I believe

herfamily was in England at the time) I did find another Bruen family

living inTawnalaughta, in Kilglass parish. As I wrote to a cousin:

B4 - Michael & Celia Browne - I think this may be a relation on my

grandmother

?sside. Anthony Crean married Theresa Bruen. Although I am not able to

=locate acopy of my grandmother? birth or baptismal certificates (I?m sure my

da=d hasthem) I recall that her parents were named Brown or Browne while she

wa=s aBruen. I do know that the prayer card for her mother identifies her

as= JaneBrowne. What struck me when I came across this page is that while the

=household

members are listed as Michael, Celia, Theresa, and Katie Browne the

hea=d of thefamily signed the form ?Michael Bruen.?

The B4 refers to the number on the census form. My Theresa had at

leas=t onesibling, a brother, named James Henry Bruen. Her parents were Henry

Br=own andthe former Jane McDermott.

-- Kevin

Date: Mon, 14 Aug 2000 07:53:38 -0700 (PDT)

From: Colin Crehan <colin_crehan@yahoo.com> |

Subject: Fwd: Re: [CRYAN] Colin Crehan's people

To: CRYAN-L@rootsweb.com

Kerry,My family came from Newbridge, Ballinasloe, County

Galway (sold the house 20 years ago). And my

Grandfather told me that only two Crehan families were

from that area.

So, there's a good chance that there may be a

connection ... hopefully we can find it! I have not

found an Owen or Bernard in my tree yet ... Hopefully

that will help your search ... finding folks named

James,John, Thomas, and Patrick is a little too easy

... :-)Do you know of any family still in Ballinasloe?

Ireland?

To the folks living in Ireland: Are there any

Crehan's still living in Newbridge, Ballinasloe? I

remember meeting a Jimmy Crehan there, when I was a

kid.BTW, if you didn't already know, the name "Owen" is at

the root of the Crehan name. When you see that Crehan

(Ó Croidheáin) if a minor sept of the Cenel Eoghain

(Owen). That means that we are from Owen's tribe.

County Tyrone - Tir Owen - Land of Owen.

Inishowen - Owen's Island

(see the tree that I sent out previously)Regards, - Colin

From: Kmcrehan@aol.com

Message-ID: <28.940ee43.26c5eb21@aol.com>

Date: Fri, 11 Aug 2000 19:49:53 EDT

Subject: Re: [CRYAN] Colin Crehan's people

Hello Colin and David!, I am a Crehan! My Crehan's came from

Woodbrook/ Newbridge, Ballinasloe, County Galway. Here is my family line:

Owen Crehan (1830-??)m Evelyn or Ellen Mulligan

John Crehan (1859-1930) m Mary McGrath

Owen Crehan (1894-1978)m Marguerite Dunn

Joseph Crehan (1938- ) m Sheila Anderson

ME Kerry Crehan (1966- ) m James McCauley

Owen and Evelyn's Children: Mark, Mary, Michael, John*, and Thomas

John and Thomas are the only ones who came to the states. Thomas never

married to my knowledge. John was married to Mary McGrath in Anderson

Indiana. Their brother Mark Crehan married Celia Crehan (she was a

crehan!) and their children were Mary, Owen, Ellen, Bernard, and Michael.

I have been told that my great grandfather came to the states with a

first cousin named Bernard Crehan. Bernard would be the child of the brother

of my GG grandfather Owen Crehan. I can not find any siblings of Owen.

Any of this sound like it could fit into your trees??

Reply-to: "Jim McDonald" <culrua@iol.ie>

From: "Jim McDonald" <culrua@iol.ie> |

Subject: Re: [IRL-SLIGO] Sligo genealogy Date: Mon, 14 Aug 2000 19:11:28 +0100

To: IRL-SLIGO-L@rootsweb.com

Hi Jane,

You have to buy the book but it's the best and available.

I think you know that there is no Bruen listed for Drumcliff. Most of

yoursseem to be in Rosses Point and if you haven't got them I can pass on

what Ihave.Some Bruens from the other side of the bay:

St Molaise's Graveyard Kilglass:

Mrs. Michael BRUEN, Townalaughta, died Jan. 3. 1918, aged 72. Her

husbandMichael, died May 21. 1946, aged 93. M(?) CREGG, died March 31. 1928,

aged8.

Enniscroane Graveyard

1. Henry BRUEN, Ballyogan, died 12 Aug. 1987, aged 88. His wife Celia

died

10 Dec. 1987, aged 79.

2. Michael CREAN & Celia BRUEN (no dates).

Good luck with your search,

Jim McDonaldculrua@iol.ie

> Thank you Jim,

>> I very much appreciate your fascinating reply.

> No I hadn't looked in MacLysaght's "Surnames of Ireland".Where would

Ifind> this?> I had only looked on the Sligo website and I am grateful to you for

telling> me about the origin of "my" names.

> I had heard, from Bruen cousins in Rosses Point that there was once a

Bishop> Brone in> early times whose ruined church was Killaspugbrone (near Sligo

airport)> where St. Patrick is said to have broken his tooth..

> Ah there are some good tales from Ireland.> All the best to you,> Jane Kelly

Kevin,You might have this already and sorry to see that Michael and Celia

have nodates.Enniscroane Graveyard

1. Michael CREAN & Celia BRUEN (no dates).

St Molaise's Graveyard Kilglass:

1. Michael CREAN, Townalaughta, Cullens, born 1842 died 1923.

Daughter-in-law Anna H. CONMY (nee CREAN) born 6 Feb. 1888, died 11

April1923. His wife Mary CONMY (nee CONMY) late of Stokan, Castleconnor born

1842died 3 Aug 1925. (The dates and relationships are as given but do they

makesence?)

Killanley New Graveyard

1. Edward Crean, died 2 Jan 1932. His wife Mary died 30 March 1945.

Theirson Edward, died 29 July 1956.

2. Mary Crean, Carrowcarden, died 2 Jan. 1971.

Jim McDonaldCulrua@iol.ie

----- Original Message -----

From: "Kevin J. Crean" <Kevin_J._Crean@HUD.GOV>

To: <IRL-SLIGO-L@rootsweb.com>

Sent: Monday, August 14, 2000 2:23 PM

Subject: Re: [IRL-SLIGO] Need birth record copy from Sligo

> Dear MaryAnn,> Thank you so much for the advice. Sounds like I have much work to

do. Idon't> know how long either Michael or Celia were in Kilglass so I don't

knowexactly> where to begin my search but I guess I can start there and fan out.

I had> planned to look through the register of births, marriages and deaths

at mylocal> FHC. Are you suggesting that this will be a blind alley? I am

relatively> certain that both of my great-grandparents died in 1920 and I found

what I> believe to be one of them listed on some film I reviewed. I didn't

orderit> yet, figuring I would group several requests together. I suppose I

canalso> track down their marriage certificate this way, if as you wrote, the

records go> back to 1864.

>> -- Kevin

>> MAHorn25@aol.com on 08/13/2000 10:26:13 PM

> To: Kevin J. Crean/CPD/NYN/HUD@HUD

> cc:> Subject: Re: [IRL-SLIGO] Need birth record copy from Sligo

>> Hello Kevin,

> The office for civil registration here in Sligo has no facilities to

doany kind> of searching on your own. The civil registration only goes back as

far as1864> and then it's spotty. There are other sources but you would either

need tofind> a researcher here or make a trip on your own to find the things you

arelooking

> for. I would suggest that you start with the parish records of

Kilglass.The

> records there go back to 1825. You may find Michael's birth or his

marriage to> Celia. I doubt you'll find both unless they were both from Kilglass,

couples> were almost always married in the church of the bride. In that case

youwill> have hit paydirt having them both from the same parish whose records

goback> another generation.

> MaryAnn

From: Fatarm@aol.com |

Date: Tue, 15 Aug 2000 16:18:32 EDT

Subject: Re: [CRYAN] Master Thomas Cryan

To: CRYAN-L@rootsweb.com

Thank you so much for sharing that interesting story about Master

Cryan, Pat. It's always neat to get a slice of history when reading about names,

birthdates, etc. Good luck in your hunt, Leslie

Reply-to: "FamSpack" < >

From: "FamSpack" < > |

Date: Wed, 16 Aug 2000 10:08:54 +0100

Subject: [CRYAN] Re Robert CRYAN and family

To: CRYAN-L@rootsweb.com

Hi Leslie,

I have added to my collection of CRYAN births marriages and deaths and

sorted them by place . This group seems to stand together and seems to

fitthe information that you gave a long time ago.

Robert CRYAN m 1871 in Galway index no 14.131

Peter b 1871 in Castlebar 4.157

Catherine b 1873 in Galway 4.315

Ellen b 1874 in Ballinrobe 14.54

Robert b 1876 in Ballinrobe 14.48

Mary Frances b 1878(2) in Ballinrobe 4.57

George b 1879(3) in Ballinrobe 4.59 died 1880(2) 4.26

Anne Marrie b 1881(2) in Ballinrobe 4.53

Patrick Joseph b 1883(2) in Ballinrobe 4.49

Thomas b 1885(1) in Newport 4.387

Agnes b 1887(4) in Castlebar 4.91

John Henry b 1890(3) in Castlebar 4.93

I have not as yet checked that the matching code for Robert's marriage

isfor Frances FOX but it looks pretty convincing so far . There are no

othersat this time in Co Galway.

I hope that this is helpful, but if you already have it - ignore.

Happy hunting Eve

Date: Wed, 16 Aug 2000 16:02:41 -0400 From:

Paul Burns <pjburns@prodigy.net> |

Subject: [IRL-SLIGO] Kilgallon Photo Store in Sligo

To: IRL-SLIGO-L@rootsweb.com

Late last year, someone asked me to check a photo shop in Sligo to

see if it still exists. I believe the requester had an old photo and

wastrying to date it. After my January visit to Sligo, I reported that

there was no such shop on the street he named.

If (I don't remember) the query concerned the Kilgallon Studio, I

have just finished looking at a booklet entitled "Looking Back at

Sligo's Past: Photographs & Reminiscences of Old Sligo," which contains

about 25 old photos of Sligo buildings and street scenes that came from

the "Kilgallon Collection."

On the last page of this booklet, Mr. Alec Foley said that when

Kilgallon died, his old glass plates were dumped in the marshes. A Mr.

Slater saw them and started bringing them home from his walks a few at

atime. He eventually recovered about 2000 of them, mostly family

portraits. When Mr. Slater died they came into the possession of Mr.

Foley who says that for further information he can be contacted at 16

Markievicz Heights, Sligo, Tel. 071 69484.

Wed, 16 Aug 2000 13:58:53 -0500 From: "Shelly Crynes" <SCrynes@hillcrest.com> | To: <caoimhghin@yahoo.com> Subject: Cryan/Crynes Connection

Kevin,

I just came across your name as an expert on the Cryan name and its

variants. I have been trying in vain to locate information on the name

Crynes. I do know that my husband's great grandfather was born in Durham

County, England and his name was John Crynes (I corresponded with an

elderly woman in England for a while with the surname Cryan but she has

now passed away. However, before she passed away she sent me some

pictures that look greatly resemble my father-in-law and his father's

family.) Have you ever come across this surname in connection with Cryan?

Another family member told me that they believe John was raised by a

woman named Catherine Crynes McCombs and they are not sure who his parents

were but that they were both Irish. Catherine's husband, Frank

McCombs, was from Scotland and it is told that he was a member of the IRA

which is why they left England. So many stories, but nothing solid. If

you are interested, I will send you more specific details with dates,

etcetera. I am at work now so I don't have all the information with me.

Any help at all would be appreciated. Thanks so much!

Shelly Crynes

Fatarm@aol.com | Date: Thu, 17 Aug 2000 10:20:13 EDT Subject: Re: [CRYAN] Re Robert CRYAN and family To: CRYAN-L@rootsweb.com

Thank you very much for your help, Eve. It was very kind of you to put

this

together for me. It certainly is an interesting collection of names

and

dates.

Although the names in most instances match up (the death of an infant

George

wouldn't have been known to his sister Agnes let alone her daughter/my

grandmother very possibly, nor did my Grandmother mention having uncles

"Peter" and "Patrick Joseph"), you have certainly connected quite a few

people for me possibly. Especially because sibling Mary's middle name

was

Frances, I'm optimistic that you've found me a new location to look

into,

Ballinrobe. And Thomas was born in Newport, too. Hmm. Now I just

have to

figure out where that is!

I'm also a little surprised at the marriage date (1871), because Robert

Sr.'s

wife Frances Fox would have been about 18 -- absolutely possible, but I

was

expecting her to be older, I guess (we're pretty sure of her birthdate

1853). The only other potential snafu in the theory that all these

people

are in my family would be that I could have sworn my grandmother said

her

mother Agnes (second youngest in your list) was the second oldest

daughter.

But you've definitely got the right Agnes, and I'm certain I can claim

John

Henry as mine, too.

Can I ask for the source information, too? Is this from an LDS reel?

It'd

be neat to go and get a copy -- you know, something concrete to hold.

Fortunately, I'm taking the boys to visit my Grandmother tomorrow.

She'll be

so excited to see this list, I'm sure we'll have a blast pouring over

it this

coming weekend. Thank you for this gift -- it couldn't be better

timed!

-Leslie

Voltene@aol.com | Date: Sat, 19 Aug 2000 07:30:35 EDT Subject: Re: [CRYAN] Request for Crehan help To: CRYAN-L@rootsweb.com

In a message dated 00-08-12 22:53:39 EDT, Fatarm@aol.com wrote:

This past week two Crehans on our list have asked for help to connect

other Crehan, Creahan, etc. researchers. In particular, we seem to be

missing the company of Theresa Mary, formerly amethyst@inch.com. Are

you

now

subscribed under a new name? Email addressed to this address has been

returned. There may be a possible connection.

Please respond to this message through the list, in case there are

other

Crehan re >>

Hello,

I would like to get in touch with Theresa Mary, also.

About a year and a half ago I did lookups on her Crehans in Lowell.

At the time, I did email her what I found, but I would like to send

her

the copies of the newpaper obits, the World War I Draft registrations,

cemetery printouts and naturalization and birth records I have for her.

A number of months ago, I tried to email her, but I got no response.

Theresa Mary, if you are still on the list, please contact me.

Karen Murphy

Mon, 21 Aug 2000 12:18:03 -0700 (PDT) From: Caoimhghin O Croidheain <caoimhghin@yahoo.com> | Subject: saved emails To: caoimhghin@yahoo.com

From: Fatarm@aol.com | Date: Thu, 17 Aug 2000 10:20:13 EDT Subject: Re: [CRYAN] Re Robert CRYAN and family To: CRYAN-L@rootsweb.com Add Addresses Thank you very much for your help, Eve. It was very kind of you to put this together for me. It certainly is an interesting collection of names and dates. Although the names in most instances match up (the death of an infant George wouldn't have been known to his sister Agnes let alone her daughter/my grandmother very possibly, nor did my Grandmother mention having uncles "Peter" and "Patrick Joseph"), you have certainly connected quite a few people for me possibly. Especially because sibling Mary's middle name was Frances, I'm optimistic that you've found me a new location to look into, Ballinrobe. And Thomas was born in Newport, too. Hmm. Now I just have to figure out where that is! I'm also a little surprised at the marriage date (1871), because Robert Sr.'s wife Frances Fox would have been about 18 -- absolutely possible, but I was expecting her to be older, I guess (we're pretty sure of her birthdate in 1853). The only other potential snafu in the theory that all these people are in my family would be that I could have sworn my grandmother said her mother Agnes (second youngest in your list) was the second oldest daughter. But you've definitely got the right Agnes, and I'm certain I can claim John Henry as mine, too. Can I ask for the source information, too? Is this from an LDS reel? It'd be neat to go and get a copy -- you know, something concrete to hold. Fortunately, I'm taking the boys to visit my Grandmother tomorrow. She'll be so excited to see this list, I'm sure we'll have a blast pouring over it this coming weekend. Thank you for this gift -- it couldn't be better timed! -Leslie

From: "Ann Chernow" <chernow2@mindspring.com> | Subject: Re: [IRL-SLIGO] Kilgallon Photo Store in Sligo Date: Thu, 17 Aug 2000 11:04:50 -0500 To: IRL-SLIGO-L@rootsweb.com Add Addresses Paul, I have some information on the "Kilgallon Photo Store" that appears in a book called SLIGO AND ITS SURROUNDINGS, compiled by Tadhg Kilgannon** (one-time editor of the Sligo Champion), originally published in 1926. My copy is a facsimile reproduction published in November 1988 by Dodd's Antiquarian Books of Ballydoogan, Sligo, with the support of Keohane's on Castle St . This book includes original advertisements that appeared in the 1926 version of this book. Interestingly, I just noticed that the original publisher of this book was "Kilgannon & Sons, Ltd. Printers, Publishers, and Photographers" of Sligo. In addition to all this, it appears that Kilgallon and Sons Ltd. was the proprietor of two movie theaters in Sligo, the "Sligo Picture Theatre" and the "Pavilion Picture and Variety Theatre". These old 1926 advertisements give "One Thomas Street, Sligo' as the address of the business. **Brief bio of Mr. Tadgh Kilgallon: "Born in Dromore West in 1862. he was editor of the Sligo Champion and subsequently ran the Sligo Star and the Leitrim Leader. He opened Sligo's first cinema in Thomas Street and ran a printing and publishing business for many years. He died in a road accident in October 1938." Hope this helps.. Ann

From: "Kevin J. Crean" <Kevin_J._Crean@HUD.GOV> | Date: Thu, 17 Aug 2000 12:18:55 -0400 Subject: Re: [IRL-SLIGO] Heritage Center To: IRL-SLIGO-L@rootsweb.com Add Addresses Sue: I don't have any personal experience with the Sligo Heritage Center. I feel the same as you -- genealogy is my hobby and I'd rather perform the researh myself rather than pay for someone else to do it for me. Beside, you never know what unexpected information might reveal itself when you're scrolling through some microfilm looking for a particular ancestor. BUT, a cousin of mine did acquire some information for our common ancestors from the Sligo Center. He obtained a Family Group Sheet that listed the names of all family members, their dates of birth and baptism and their baptismal sponsors, etc. While it was nice to have all of this information in one place, and we did learn some information that we did not know before, the document did include some errors and ommissions, calling some of the new information into question as well. The names and all of the dates, etc. were handwritten on the Family Group Sheet while a second form relating to the 1901 Census was a computer printout. (Maybe the Center wants their own document to resemble an original census taker's form?) In any event, there was one child missing from both reports and one of the forms included 2 Patricks. Initially I thought one of the boys had died in infancy. I read that it was sometimes the custom to name succeeding children the same as those that had died. But I think I am certain now that their was an error in transcription and one of the Patrick's, based on the birthdate, etc. should be identified as Ellen. Another son, though, was completely new. Since he doesn't show up on the 1901 Census (I looked through the actual films myself), and some older relatives never mentioned him, I assume that he did die in childhood. Without the form we probably would not have known about him. The inclusion of the baptismal sponsors is great and, if accurate can save a lot of money and time trying to trace down all of the actual forms. One last item: perhaps this is just something that my cousin didn't pass on to me, but I do not know if the Center included a list of source documents with the information they supplied. I would guess that the information on baptisms came from local parish records but they didn't say. This, I think is quite unprofessional. Perhaps they are trying to ensure that others don't benefit from their research. I guess that all in all the Centers can save you some time and give you a lot of leads but I still want to verify everything by obtaining the original documents. I treat the information I received on a slightly higher level than family lore. Include it in the story but always make certain to indicate the source and reliability. And, by the way, I do not know how much my cousin paid for the information.

From: Voltene@aol.com | Date: Sat, 19 Aug 2000 07:30:35 EDT Subject: Re: [CRYAN] Request for Crehan help To: CRYAN-L@rootsweb.com Add Addresses In a message dated 00-08-12 22:53:39 EDT, Fatarm@aol.com wrote: << This past week two Crehans on our list have asked for help to connect to other Crehan, Creahan, etc. researchers. In particular, we seem to be missing the company of Theresa Mary, formerly amethyst@inch.com. Are you now subscribed under a new name? Email addressed to this address has been returned. There may be a possible connection. Please respond to this message through the list, in case there are other Crehan re >> Hello, I would like to get in touch with Theresa Mary, also. About a year and a half ago I did lookups on her Crehans in Lowell. At the time, I did email her what I found, but I would like to send her the copies of the newpaper obits, the World War I Draft registrations, cemetery printouts and naturalization and birth records I have for her. A number of months ago, I tried to email her, but I got no response. Theresa Mary, if you are still on the list, please contact me. Karen Murphy

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Fatarm@aol.com | Date: Mon, 21 Aug 2000 18:02:37 EDT Subject: Re: [CRYAN] Re Robert CRYAN and family To: CRYAN-L@rootsweb.com

Thanks for the additional information, Eve. But I have to warn you

right off

the bat that we know for sure Robert and Frances had only 9 children (I

double-checked this fact), although an exception might be made for

infants

who died young, I would guess. I also don't recall knowing of any

Galway

connection prior to your email -- I'll have to check all my notes again

case it slipped my mind. I've only known of a Castlebar, Co. Mayo

birthplace

for Agnes and the South Dublin location for Robert Sr.'s death (and

Frances

Fox Cryan's and Agnes' workplaces after Robert's death). Robert was in

the

RIC, however, and that certainly may have been the cause of the

family's

mobility. Thank you again, Leslie

Fri, 25 Aug 2000 14:56:42 -0700 (PDT) From: Caoimhghin O Croidheain <caoimhghin@yahoo.com> | Subject: re: Dolans of Roscommon and Leitrim To: DOLAN-L@rootsweb.com

Hi My great great grandmother was a Margaret Dolan who married Master John Cryan of Boyle and Croghan After his death she went to live in Carrick-on-Shannon near some other Dolans who were possibly relatives. Does anyone have any info taht throw some light on these Dolans or where they wer from in general? Thanks caoimhghin (Kevin Cryan)

Fri, 25 Aug 2000 14:58:32 -0700 (PDT) From: Caoimhghin O Croidheain <caoimhghin@yahoo.com> | Subject: William Shanahan of Valentia To: SHANAHAN-L@rootsweb.com

Hi I am researching my great great grandparents William Shanahan and Eliza O'Sullivan of Valentia. I would love to know if there is a gravestone to either of them on the island as I believe they are buried there. Indeed if there are any gravestones to either of their ancestors that would be a bonus. Have the graveyards been surveyed? Any stories regarding the Cryan's (my family name ) would be appreciated as my great grandfather Joseph Cryan married Johanna Shanahan in 1890 on the island. Girlie Cryan my grandfather's sister married John O'Neill who worked in the wireless station. I hav a foto of my grandfather Liam(also a wireless operator) in front of the wireless training school which I believe was near Cahersiveen. regards, caoimhghin

Fri, 25 Aug 2000 15:02:53 -0700 (PDT) From: Caoimhghin O Croidheain <caoimhghin@yahoo.com> | Subject: carty's of Tubberduff To: CARTY-L@rootsweb.com

Hi Looking fo info on Carty's of Tubberduff. I found some very old Carty gravestones in Kilninor graveyard near Gorey, Wexford. Anyone interested or knows anything re : Carty's of Tubberduff or Cronecribbon or Ballyconlore it woul be great to get into contact. regards caoimhghin

EileenBees@aol.com | Date: Sat, 26 Aug 2000 20:32:24 EDT Subject: Re: Dolans of Roscommon and Leitrim & Cryan To: caoimhghin@yahoo.com

Found your e-mail interesting. My great-grandmother on my mothers side

the family was a Nora Dolan (Roscommon). My grand-mother on my fathers

side

was Agnes Crine whose father, Michael came from Galway. Michael had a

brother, John who spelt his name Cryan. John married ? and had a

daughter

Margaret (other children were Nora, John, Marria, Delia, Elizabeth,

William,

and Julia) I have alot of "Crine" info mostly on Michael. They

settled in

New Jersey.....could you be connected?

Voltene@aol.com | Date: Sun, 27 Aug 2000 08:54:25 EDT Subject: [CRYAN] Lowell (MA) Police Court To: CRYAN-L@rootsweb.com

You can find some interesting stuff going through the newspapers of the

1800's.

You never know who will appear in Lowell Police Court...

Lowell Morning Times

February 4, 1891

POLICE COURT

Feb. 3 -- Liquor cases took up this morning's session of the police

court.

Two simples paid $5 each.

Edward Rourke's case of keepng liquor was called. He was

defended

by Lawyer Enright.

Officer Goodwin testified to visiting Rourke's house at 61

Suffolk

street at *30 p.m. on Jan. 23; found men going in and others in the

house;

also glasses and 20 gallons of ale. Rourke was found guilty and fined

$150.

Michael J. Cryan's case for keeping liquor was next tried.

Officer

Goodwin testified that Cryan kept a grocery store at 191 Market street.

Jan. 24 witness visited the place and found a quantity of liquor in two

barrels and two kegs. Cryan was found guilty and fined $150 to the

superior

court. He appealed and was ordered in $500 to the superior court.

Karen Murphy

Voltene@aol.com | Date: Sun, 27 Aug 2000 09:11:57 EDT Subject: [CRYAN] Cryans in New Jersey and Lowell, MA To: CRYAN-L@rootsweb.com

Good Morning to the List, A while back a couple people posted that they had Cryans in New Jersey. Going through the file of Cryan obits I have, there are a few that list relatives in Newark, N.J. The families are descendents of Michael and Bridget (Foley) Cryan. Also, for anyone new on the list that may have Lowell, MA Cryans, I have obituaries for all Cryan (surname) buried in cemeteries in Lowell

Sun, 27 Aug 2000 15:35:55 PDT From: Karen McElrath <K.McElrath@Queens-Belfast.AC.UK> | Reply-to: K.McElrath@Queens-Belfast.AC.UK Subject: [CRYAN] Re: crean

has anyone read the book, 'the burning of bridget cleary'? it is based on a true story and the attending physician was a Dr. William Crean of tipperary. karen

EileenBees@aol.com | Date: Mon, 28 Aug 2000 14:19:45 EDT Subject: Re: Dolans of Roscommon and Leitrim & Cryan To: caoimhghin@yahoo.com

This is what I have on my Crine (Cryan) family tree. Patrick Crine married Mary Burke in Ireland and had 8 children: 1) John (spelled name Cryan) married ? and had 8 children Nora, Margaret, John, Marria, Delia, Elizabeth, William, Julia 2) Bridget (b about 1833 d. 1911) 3) Walter (b about 1840 d. 1908) 3 children that survived Marx or Mark J., Philip a and John H. 4) Mark (spelled name Cryan) d. in Ireland wife Mary Ann O'Beirne came over with her 8 children Patrick, George, Martin, Mark, Mary, Anna, Delia and Susan 5) Thomas (d. 1902) had 3 children: John, Henry, Rose 6) Michael (b 1838 d1913 my great grandfather) had 11 children that survived came to the US when he was 11 and sought out brother Thomas who lived in Marlboro, New Jersey. Children were: Mary, James, Delia, Roseanna, Michael, Walter, Theresa, Louise, Robert Vincent, Catherine and Agnes (my grandmother). 7) Mary - b 1834 d 1909 8) Patrick - no info may have settled in Boston That's just some of what I have. Someone from this hugh family did reseach and made 2 binders of info available to everyone in the family so I have alot of info on the decendents of these orginal Crine's.........Eileen

EileenBees@aol.com | Date: Tue, 29 Aug 2000 08:51:06 EDT Subject: Re: Dolans of Roscommon and Leitrim & Cryan

Hello The only time a townland is mentioned in the research I have is under the children of Mark Cryan and Mary O'Beirne (she's the one who came to the US a widow with 8 children). It shows one of their children, Mark b 11/28/1865, Galway, Williamstown, Ireland. In all the research I've been given it's the only townland mentioned. I posted some of this on Rootweb like you suggested. I put one under Crine and another under Cryan. Didn't you find it amusing that we both have Dolans and Cryan in our family? Thanks for writing....Eileen

FamSpack" < > From: "FamSpack" < > | Date: Tue, 29 Aug 2000 14:43:13 +0100 Subject: [CRYAN] CRYAN/DOLAN

To add to Eileen Bees list

I have a Susannah CRYAN born2 Nov 1868 in Williamstown Co Galway

Parents Mark Cryan and Mary O'Beirne

Eve

EileenBees@aol.com | Date: Tue, 29 Aug 2000 14:08:43 EDT Subject: Re: Dolans of Roscommon and Leitrim & Cryan

Thanks so much for your help......must be a connection here.....I wrote

e-mail to her......what a surprise!!!! Thanks again, Eileen

FamSpack" < > From: "FamSpack" < > | Date: Thu, 31 Aug 2000 02:12:01 +0100 Subject: [CRYAN] CRYANs from Williamstown CoGalway

To Eileen Bees especially and to those who may be interested. I am sorry to disappoint you Eileen but as far as I know they are not my family but just a single item that I thought relevant from the LDS Vital Statistics CD. However, I have extracted nearly all the Cryans etc from the INDEXES to the Irish BMD Registers. Susannah(the only one)appears in 1868 from Glennamaddy(probably the registration district for Williamstown): so here are the other ones from Glennamaddy. BIRTHS 1864 none 1865 Margaret index number 14.521 1866 none 1867 none 1868 John........................9.349 Susannah................19.331 1869 none 1870 none 1871 none 1872 none 1973 none 1874 none 1875 n/a 1876 none 1877 none 1878(1) Patrick(Crine) ......... 4.335 but then no more until 1903(4th quarter) John Francis....4.226 1904 n/a 1905 n/a 1906(1) Annie........................4.237 1907(2) Patrick......................4.221 MARRIAGES not all years done 1903(1) John Glennamaddy 4.207 1864 - 72 none 1881-84 none 1898-1905 none except for John above DEATHS 1864 -1898 none in Glennamaddy 1899(4) John aged 67....4.165 ie born in 1832 approx. 1900 - 1901 none 1902(1) Julia M aged 22 4.188 ie born 1880 approx. 1903-1905 none NB I am unable to find Julia in the births but I do not have all the spelling variants after 1880. Other places that the families could have been registered could have been Mount Bellow(in Co Galway) not many Cryans or Castlereagh(in Co Roscommon) loads of Cryans (so only uncommon Christian names stand out) or Dunmore Co Galway but I have no Cryans registered there. Happy Hunting Eve

Thu, 31 Aug 2000 04:41:39 -0700 (PDT) From: Caoimhghin O Croidheain <caoimhghin@yahoo.com> | Subject: Re: Dolans

Hi my grandmotherer Margaret Dolan got maried in Boyle in 1856 to John Cryan and then lived in Croghan nearby She went to Carrick on Shannon in Leitrim after he died in 1905. I dont know when she died. Dont know anything about her family either..... caoimhghin

annturner" <annturner@tinyworld.co.uk> | To: <caoimhghin@yahoo.com> Subject: Valentia Island - Shanahan Date: Thu, 31 Aug 2000 15:51:54 +0100

Hi,

I have seen your message on the Valentia Island Message Board.

As a matter of interest, my parents now own the house that Willie Shanahan used to live in at Coombe Hill,Farranreagh, Knightstown, opposite to John & Eileen Shanahan. My mother comes from the Island - Ann Quigley (now Ann Cass) although she (we) live in Suffolk, England now. Where abouts are you?