From: "Anthony & Jill
Cryan" <cryanaj@ozemail.com.au>
| Organization:
The Adjutant's Desk Date: Mon, 24 Jan 2000 23:10:54
+1000 Subject: Re: [CRYAN] The "Reply
Button" etc Reply-to: cryanaj@ozemail.com.au To:
CRYAN-L@rootsweb.com
FamSpack wrote:
> As always the
gems are embedded........am planning a short visit to
>
>
Sydney.> What
do those with more experience than I think ?
A lurker
speaks..... ; )Not a lot of experience
on such travel, but suffice to say that a bus
from
Not knowing your
time constraints, a train or plane would be the go.
When will you be
visiting
up for drinks, a
BBQ or something with my family.
tcAnthony
CryanMorningside,
(GGSon of Domnick
Cryan of Gurteen,
Date: Tue, 25 Jan 2000 12:08:42 PST From:
Karen McElrath <K.McElrath@Queens-Belfast.AC.UK> |
To: CRYAN-L@rootsweb.com
Subject: Unidentified subject!
Forwarded Message:
From: Karen
McElrath <kmcelrat@fujin.qub.ac.uk>
Date: Tue, 25 Jan
2000 01:29:31 PST
Subject: To:
CRYAN-L@rootsweb.com
hello:I recently
came across Patrick Joseph Cryan, born 2 December
1903, in Brogher,
Cryan. Patrick Joseph Cryan emigrated to the
Pleasant
Street. (Related, no doubt, but not
father and
son).
Patrick Joseph
Cryan resided in the Swampscott area until
the 1950s. He may have moved to
1970s.(Please note
that I discovered Patrick's birthplace
(Brogher,
Security. The application also included his parents'
names.)
Has anyone come
across Patrick Joseph Cryan's parents' names
- John and Annie
Cosgrove Cryan? Also, I am wondering if
someone might know
where Brogher is
(to save me a phone call to the
board!!).I also
have a few death/marriage certificates
for Cryans in
various parts of
be useful to
someone.
1. Thomas Cryan,
born circa 1836 in
Connor Cryan and
Mary
Scanlon (?)
2. Mary Cryan, born circa 1869 in
Mary Cryan's parents: Thomas Cryan.
3. James Cryan, born circa 1803 in
Kate and Luke Cryan,
Many thanks,Karen
McElrath
From: "Michael Tobin" <tobinmi@hotmail.com> |
Date: Tue, 25 Jan 2000
17:25:15 PST
Subject:
[CRYAN] Re: John Cryan and Annie Cosgrove To:
CRYAN-L@rootsweb.com
Hello
Karen,Brougher is a townland in the parish of Keash (and formerly in the old
parish of Toomour).
This is most likely the place that you are
referring to.I
haven't come across John Cryan and Annie Cosgrove before. They should
most likely be
listed on the 1901 census if their son Patrick Joseph was
born in 1903.The
Cosgrave's in
Brougher, renting from Viscount Lorton :-
1. Patrick Cryan
2. James Cosgrave,
sen.
3. Roger Cryan
4. James Cosgrave,
jun.
[The above 4,
along with 6 others, are listed as a group as renting 211
acres, 1 rood and
13 perches, although the rent for each is given
separately. I'm
not sure why
other listers can
comment.]
5. Bridget Cryan
6. Patrick Cryan,
sen.
7. Mary Cryan
8. Patrick Cryan,
jun.
9. James Cryan, jun.
10. James Cryan,
sen.
[Above 6 listed as
a group with 1 other, renting 93 acres of land]
11. Martin Cryan
I think it would
be reasonable to assume that the John Cryan and Annie
Cosgrave were
connected to the first group above and were from
neighbouring
farms. The pre-1900 Church records would most likely give the
connection between
these people and John and Annie.
Hope this
helps.Best regards,Michael
From: "Michael Tobin"
<tobinmi@hotmail.com> | Date:
Tue, 25 Jan 2000 17:42:28 PST
Subject:
[CRYAN] Cryan gathering ??? To:
CRYAN-L@rootsweb.com
Since 3 or 4 of
the list members are based in
be interested in
arranging to meet up in
I think it would
be nice to meet up and chat in person about the
genealogy
research. I'm not suggesting this as a Cryan convention or anything
like that, as I
think that would take a significant amount of time and
effort to setup,
with probably a year's notice so that people from other
countries might be
able to travel to it if they were already planning on visiting
Ireland.All I have
in mind, is an informal get together at which we could meet,
discuss our
progress, take along any useful records, photos, history
etc. We might be
able to bring along one or two interested relatives also.
If any one is
interested, perhaps we could combine it with research in
either
want to look up
there, so having one or the other of these towns as the
venue probably
makes sense.
What do you think
?regardsMichael
==== CRYAN Mailing
List ====
Surnames being
rsrchd: Croidheain, Craigen/Creighan, Crawn/Craun,
Crane, Crean,
Craen, Creen-e, Cre(a)g(h)an, Cre(a)han, Cro(u)ghan,
Crain-e,
MacCroghan/McCrohan, Crowen, and Cryan-s.
From:
"Roger Cryan" <cryan@avana.net> |
Subject: Re: [CRYAN] Re:
John Cryan and Annie Cosgrove
Date: Tue, 25 Jan 2000
21:18:00 -0500 To: CRYAN-L@rootsweb.com
Michael, Could you tell us exactly for what year is
your
forBrougher? My great-grandfather James is listed in the
1857
as aleaseholder in
Ballinanultaugh, Roscommon; but he was married in 1853
inSligo.James'
childless eldest son (also James) left the Ballinanultaugh lease
to amore or less
distant nephew (another James) from Brogher; so your
listingmight
contain family.
As near as I can
tell, there were related Cryans that were back and
forthbetween
eachother),
depending on where a lease "with the name on it" became
available.Does
this make any sense? Roger Cryan
From: Jill Devito <devito@uta.edu> |
Subject: RE: [CRYAN] Cryan
gathering ???
Date:
Wed, 26 Jan 2000 10:48:26 -0600
To: CRYAN-L@rootsweb.com
Karen, Michael,
and other
If you plan a
gathering in
Cryan insearch of
his roots), please look up my grandfather, Paul Cryan. He
wasborn and raised
in Massachussetts, and raised his own family in
Here is his
information:
Paul
CryanDrumdooMohill, Leitrim011-353-78-32096
paulcryan@eircom.net
Date: Wed, 26 Jan 2000 09:31:37 PST From:
Karen McElrath <K.McElrath@Queens-Belfast.AC.UK> |
Subject: Re: [CRYAN] Cryan
gathering ??? To: CRYAN-L@rootsweb.com
re: cryan
gathering
michael: i think your suggestion is an excellent
one.
you and i reside
in
other countries
might be planning a trip here anyway. it
would be great if
we could meet at least for a day/night in
sligo or
roscommon, the home of several of our ancestors.
karen
Date: Wed, 26 Jan 2000 09:34:27 PST From:
Karen McElrath <K.McElrath@Queens-Belfast.AC.UK> |
Subject: Re: [CRYAN] Re:
John Cryan and Annie Cosgrove To:
CRYAN-L@rootsweb.com
received the
following infoyesterday:
RE;1901 CENSUS FOR
BROUGHER JOHN CRYAN AGE 24 SISTER BRIDGET
AGE 21; THIS
ISMOST PROBABLY YOUR JOHN, THERE WERE ALSO COSGROVES IN
BROUGHER.AT THAT
TIMEI BELIEVE THERE WAS TWO OTHER CHILDREN JOHN WHO STAYED WITH THE COSGROVES
AND A MARY WHO
WENT WITH PATRICK TO
DIED VERY
YOUNGJOHN CRYAN MARRIED ABREHENY FROM BEARLOUGH DRUMRAT I HAVE LETTERS FROM
THEIR
FAMILYSORRY THAT;S
ALL FOR NOW
PATRICK CRYANS WE
HAVE BEEN IN TOUGH BEFORE
From: LB3105@aol.com |
Date: Wed, 26 Jan 2000
14:01:48 EST
Subject:
[CRYAN] Cryan Family To: CRYAN-L@rootsweb.com
Subj: Re: [CRYAN] Re: John Cryan and Annie
Cosgrove
Date: 01/26/2000 9:46:56 AM Eastern Standard Time
From: LB3105To: cryan@avana.net
Roger,
I just read your
letter to Michael. I'm curious as to
your James
CRYAN. My GGrandfather was James CRYAN also. Could there possibly be a
connection
here?Desendants of James Cryan
Generation No. 1
1. JAMES CRYAN was born Abt. 1838 ,
1885 in, Co.
Templevaney, Co.,
Child of JAMES CRYAN and MARY FOLEY ( this is the only one I knowabout)
2. i.
ANNE CRYAN, b. April 04, 1869, Boyle,
her birth
Certificate. It states that her father's
occupation as a Tailor.
They were
living in the Townland of Treen, Co. Roscommon, when she was
born? Not too sure where this would be?
(No further record
of additional children born, appears at the Catholic
Church in Boyle
after Anne Cryan was born. Nor sure if
they emigrated
to
Generation No. 2
2. ANNE CRYAN (JAMES1) was born April 04, 1869
in Boyle, County
(1)
FRANCIS JAMES
KEANEY Abt. 1893 in
KEANEY and
MARGARET FLYNN. He was born June 24,
1861 in Riverstown, County
Children of ANNE CRYAN and FRANCIS KEANEY
are:
i.
JOHN B KEANEY, b. Abt. 1894, New
1956, New
3. ii. FRANCIS (FRANK) JAMES KEANEY, JR., b.
June 28, 1896,
iii.
ELIZABETH (BESSIE) KEANEY, b. August 17, 1898,
iv. MARGARET KEANEY, b. 1903,
v.
VALENTINE KEANEY, b. Abt. 1904,
vi. JOSEPH KEANEY, b. 1905,
City,
vii.
GEORGE KEANEY, b. Abt. 1908,
4. viii.
ANNA ELIZABETH KEANEY, b. November 23, 1910,
Knowing how the
Irish named their children, do any of these children's
names look
familiar to you?
I am planning to
attend a KEANEY Reunion in 2002 to be held in
also Dr. Francis
Keaney, who lives in
town of
between the two
familles. I found one Aunt named Mary
Cryan. who was
a witness at one
of the Keaney's baptism for one of their children.
Warm
Regards,Barbara
Reply-to: "FamSpack" < > From: "FamSpack" < > |
Date: Thu, 27 Jan 2000 08:47:17 -0000
Subject:
[CRYAN] LDS website To: CRYAN-L@rootsweb.com
Hi, For those who
need the address ...
http://www.familysearch.org/
Eve
Reply-to: "FamSpack" < > From: "FamSpack" < > |
Date: Thu, 27 Jan 2000
09:08:41 -0000
Subject: [CRYAN] Re Cryan Gathering To: CRYAN-L@rootsweb.com
Dear All,I think
that a "Cryan Gathering" is a super idea . I especially like
theidea of an
informal day set aside in a particular place. However as it
isunlikely that I
will be able to attend this year, why not set aside say
(just a random
suggestion) the first Saturday in August each year, with
aplace say a pub ,
to meet each year and then people can plan their
visits toIreland
round the date..
I do not like the
idea of a "convention" with organised lectures and
visits.......far
too costly and overwhelming and a strain on libraries
andother places of
interest. A crowd all wanting to look at the same
"historicdocuments"
will soon destroy them and the goodwill. I would much prefer
I would however
love to meet other CRYANs....... all we need is a date
andplace and
time for a CRYAN DAY.... and hey ho we
will attend.........sometime.
Great idea, thank
you MichaelEve
From:
RoCryan@aol.com | Date:
Thu, 27 Jan 2000 12:24:23 EST
Subject:
[CRYAN] Re Cryan Gathering
To: CRYAN-L@rootsweb.com
Great Idea
Michael, how about at
<A HREF="http://www.nci.ie/yp/fullpage/y4694.htm">Cryan's
holidays in
Rosalie
From: "Michael Tobin"
<tobinmi@hotmail.com> | Subject: Re: [CRYAN] Re: John Cryan and Annie
Cosgrove Date: Thu, 27 Jan 2000 15:44:57 PST To:
CRYAN-L@rootsweb.com
Roger,As far as I
know, the
1858. Do you know
what year your gran-uncle James left the Ballinanultaugh
lease to the James
from Brougher? This might help you to solve the puzzle.
Also, when you say
he left the lease to "more or less to a distant
nephew", I'm
a little confused as to whether you mean he was a distant cousin or
an actual
nephew.You've probably ruled out the following yourself, but here goes. The
name Roger Cryan
also shows up in the same group of Cryans in Brougher as 2
James who were
jointly renting 211 acres. Is Roger a family name in your
family, handed
down from generation to generation ? If so, might it be likely
that this group of
people are your relatives given that the name Roger
occurs there and
that Roger is not a very common name amongst the Cryans ?
If anyone can
explain why some people are listed in bunches in the
Hope this helps,
Michael
From:
"Michael Tobin" <tobinmi@hotmail.com> |
Date: Thu, 27 Jan 2000
16:56:54 PST
Subject:
[CRYAN] RE: Cryan gathering
To: CRYAN-L@rootsweb.com
Well, it sounds
like a few people might be interested in some sort of
informal get
together this year.I like Eve's suggestion of an annual date on which a get
together might
take place, so
that people who might be travelling to
advance if they
wanted to include it in their itinerary. We could
provisionally say
that we'll have it on such a date, and then each year
see if there is
sufficient interest in order for it to take place. Even if
only 2 from the
list can meet up, I think its still worthwhile.
I also like
Rosalie's idea of people staying in Cryan's guesthouse in
Carrick-on-Shannon,
which is only a few miles from Boyle and is quite a
scenic place. I
have heard good reports of this guesthouse in the past.
I will telephone
it to find out what its rates are like and how far in
advance people
might need to book it.
The first Saturday
in August sounds fine to me as the regular annual
day for a get
together, but I see a few disadvantages with it. I think (but am
not 100% certain)
that the public libraries may be closed on Saturday. If
that is the case,
it might be better to plan it on the first Friday in
August if we
wanted to combine the day with a trip to
What do others
think ? Another factor to take into consideration is that the
first Monday in
August is usually a public holiday in
weekend is a
particularly busy weekend. Perhaps the second Friday or Saturday in
August would be
better so as to avoid that. Another point is that any weekend
in August is at
the height of the tourist season in
would be less
busy, in my opinion.
If we can get an
informal meeting set up, we'll certainly invite your
grandfather Jill.
The more the merrier! I would hope to invite 1 or 2
of my relatives
too, who are interested in family history.
I think one or two
others on the list, in addition to Karen and myself,
are based in
Any more
suggestions or comments on the above?
regardsMichael
Reply-to: "FamSpack" < > From:
"FamSpack" <
> | Date: Fri, 28 Jan 2000 11:00:37 -0000 Subject:
[CRYAN] Re CRYAN gathering To:
CRYAN-L@rootsweb.com
It is nice to see
an idea develop.Local knowledge make a great deal of
difference.Cryans
Inn in Carrick-on-Shannon has a website which , if it is still
theregives an
address and telephone number- it also mentions that it is or
was a"singing
pub" !!!Boyle also has a website
with links - I got to these through a normal
searchengine.I
also agree with Michael that Saturday is perhaps not the best day ,
however it may
also be wise to take account of market days., when
accommodation may
be full.
My other
suggestion is to consider the evening before the CRYAN DAY
when onehas to be
staying in the locallity and has to eat, as a "getting to
know youand
planning session" ie chat over
meal/drink
I am sure that the
time(however many days you set aside)
will fly by
andwill not be
long enough so it may well be useful to be flexible.
If Michael is
contacting the CRYANS PUB/INN/GUESTHOUSE perhaps they
couldgive times
when they are less busy - which may help fixing a date.
I believe someone
from the list has actually stayed at this place - I
vaguely remember
an early email.Until again Eve
Date: Fri, 28 Jan 2000 10:42:13 PST From: Karen McElrath
<K.McElrath@Queens-Belfast.AC.UK>
| Reply-to: K.McElrath@Queens-Belfast.AC.UK Subject:
[CRYAN] Re: Cryan gathering To: CRYAN-L@rootsweb.com
michael: any time in july or august suits me this year
as i will not
be going on
holiday this year. is any US member of
the list planning to visit
Ireland this
summer? karen
From:
ljstandak@webtv.net (Lyle Staehnke)
| Date: Fri, 28 Jan 2000 10:47:18 -0800 (PST)
Subject: [CRYAN] RE: CRYAN
gathering To: CRYAN-L@rootsweb.com
Sure sounds good
to me,it would be a very good reason to visit Ireland
again. I had the
pleasure of visiting at Francis Cryans Inn at the
Carrick on
Shannon. Really enjoyed it. Lyle
From: ljstandak@webtv.net (Lyle
Staehnke) | Date:
Sat, 29 Jan 2000 11:01:59 -0800 (PST)
Subject:
Fwd: [CRYAN] Re CRYAN gathering
To: CRYAN-L@rootsweb.com
Your right
Karen,really enjoyed the stay. And Francis Cryan was a joy
tomeet, also met a
nice gentleman padrick cryan.. Not sure of the first
name
spellings... Lyle
Date: Sat, 29 Jan
2000 12:46:25 PST
From: Karen
McElrath <K.McElrath@Queens-Belfast.AC.UK>
Reply-To:
K.McElrath@Queens-Belfast.AC.UK
Old-To: CRYAN-L@rootsweb.com
Message-ID:
<ECS10001291225B@fujin.qub.ac.uk>
I believe someone from the list has actually
stayed at this place - I
> vaguely
remember an early email.> Until again Eve
> was it Lyle
who stayed there?karen
From: ljstandak@webtv.net (Lyle
Staehnke) | Date:
Sat, 29 Jan 2000 11:13:02 -0800 (PST)
Subject:
[CRYAN] RE:Cryans Inn To: CRYAN-L@rootsweb.com
This should
connect to Cryans Inn
http://www.nci.ie/yp/fullpage/y4694.htm
From: ljstandak@webtv.net (Lyle
Staehnke) | Date:
Sat, 29 Jan 2000 16:40:59 -0800 (PST)
Subject:
[CRYAN] RE:Cryans Inn
To: CRYAN-L@rootsweb.com
For the record,I
never stayed over night at Carrick on Shannon.but
spentseveral hours
there and stayed for dinner... At Cryans Inn..... Lyle
From: RoCryan@aol.com |
Date: Sun, 30 Jan 2000
12:04:22 EST Subject: [CRYAN]
Roger? To: CRYAN-L@rootsweb.com
Wasn't it Roger
who stayed at Cryans and was wondering if it was
prospering. It certainly is a singing pub, when I visited in July'99, the
hired
musicians
allowed lots of time for the regulars'
to serenade myself,
and my first first
cousins, Cryan, Pat, Jane and Pam. Shawn
sang all of
"Crying, Over
You" to us among other things. Rosalie
From:
"Roger Cryan" <cryan@avana.net> |
Subject: Re: [CRYAN] Re:
John Cryan and Annie Cosgrove
Date: Sun, 30 Jan 2000
22:43:10 -0500 To: CRYAN-L@rootsweb.com
To Michael and
Barabara:
1. My great great grandfather James Cryan was
married to Honor(i)a
Beirne/Byrne in
Sligo (Kilfree and Killaragt parish) in 1853.
He shows
upin
Ballinanultagh, Boyle, Roscommon, in the Griffith's Valuation for
1857.He was
(presumably) dead by the 1901 Census, when Honoria Cryan shows
up asthe head of
the household.Their son, another James Cryan, was born in 1859 and married Ann
CryanfromBrougher townland in Ballinafad Parish (see below). I don't know how
closely they may
have been related.
When they had no
children, they took on Ann's "nephew", another James
Cryan;I don't know
the exact relationship, but he was also from Brougher and
probably born
about 1915 or 1920. He also had no
children, but his
widowstill lives
on the farm (where my great grandfather was born), and his
nephew Joe lives 2
or 3 miles away.
2. Here is a records problem for this branch of
the family: Ballinafad
Parish straddles
the Sligo/Roscommon line. Ballynanultagh
(Boyle
Parish) isin
Roscommon, but is within spitting distance of Brougher (Ballinafad
Parish,
"historical name: Aghanagh").
This means the records, even for
aclose family are
split among parishes and between counties.
[By the
way,Kilfree and
Killaragt parish was once much larger and may have included
Ballinafad.]
3. Is this the same Brougher that Micheal is
talking about? I'm a bit
confused about
this.
4. Another son of
the first James Cryan was my great grandfather,
MartinCryan, born
1861 according to baptism records, 1864 according to
citizenshippapers,
1867 according to what he told his family, 1870 according to
whatthey told the
1920 census taker, and 1875 according to what the family
toldthe
undertaker. Has anyone else on the list
dealt with this kind of
nonsense?[He
arrived in Boston in 1883, married Margaret Maloney in Lowell,
Massachusetts,
USA, in 1893, and died in Lowell in 1936.]
5. No, I'm afraid Roger was not a name I
inherited. It was my
mother'sidea, and
no-one in my immediate family was aware of any previous Roger
Cryans.I am quite
interested in your responses. Roger
Date: Mon, 31 Jan 2000 00:38:33 PST From: Karen McElrath <K.McElrath@Queens-Belfast.AC.UK> |
Reply-to:
K.McElrath@Queens-Belfast.AC.UK
Subject: [CRYAN] Irish genealogy on the
www To: CRYAN-L@rootsweb.com
A new website has
links to some very good sites for Irish genealogy.
the website can be
found at: http://www.coiste.com
although it is
organised by ex-prisoners, click on 'Links' and then
click on 'Ireland
Today' to find the genealogy sites.
karen
Reply-to: "FamSpack" < > From: "FamSpack" < > |
Date: Mon, 31 Jan 2000
09:26:57 -0000
Subject: [CRYAN] Re James CRYAN dates To: CRYAN-L@rootsweb.com
Yes I have have
the problem of different ages being given at different
times. One age on
a marriage certificate , he then aged with a
differentbirth
date on the 1881 census and put on another 5 years when he died
thefollowing year
in 1882.
However one does
not get a baptism record before a person was born, so
thatis likely to
be the nearest one gets to a date of birth, and in James
caseit is likely
that the other dates are incorrect.
There is a
circumstance that could account for differing dates and the
datesnot tying up
with records.
In many families
the naming pattern is tied up with the ancestry and is
intended to honour
different members of the previous generations..vis
...eldest son and
daughter receiving the paternal grandparents names
and thesecond son
and daughter, the maternal granparents' names or vice versa,
thenext children
got the parents' names and the aunts and uncles etc. If
achild died very
often the next child to be born was given that name. If
thechild died very
young there may be a second of the same name perhaps a
yearor so later.
If a child died at say 6 yrs of age, the name may be
repeatedlater in
the family.
Conversely, a
second child of the same name in a family very often
meantthat the
child of the earlier name had died.
In the case of
Honoria Byrne's family,I have 8 children Martin(no5)
1861,Hanoria 1863,
John 1865 and MaryJane(no 8) b 2 Jan 1870.
There is therefore
an outside possibility that the date your Martin
gave hisfamily,
could reflect that a second child called Martin had been born
intothe
family...but I have not found a record of it.
On the other hand
there are other reasons for discrepancies....a person
maylose count of
the years if they do not celebrate
birthdays.......wife/girlfriend
may be quite a bit younger and he may
wantto be closer
in age or the lady's parents may have made it
"convenient"......there
may have been advantages like easier
immegrationacceptance
if one is of a particular age....jobs may have an age
limit.....etc.
etcThis is just intended to be a scheme of lateral
thinking................usually
the simplest explanation is the right
one.Happy hunting
Eve
From:
RoCryan@aol.com | Block
address Date: Thu, 27 Jan 2000 12:24:23 EST
Subject:
[CRYAN] Re Cryan Gathering
To: CRYAN-L@rootsweb.com
Great Idea
Michael, how about at
<A
HREF="http://www.nci.ie/yp/fullpage/y4694.htm">Cryan's Riverside
holidays in
ireland accommodation in ireland bed and breakfas</A>
Rosalie
Date: Mon, 31 Jan 2000 06:50:57 -0800
(PST) From: Caoimhghin O Croidheain <caoimhghin@yahoo.com> | Block address Subject: [CRYAN] Crehane
To:
CRYAN-L@rootsweb.com
hiJust spotted
Crehane on email from Walsh-List. Anytakers????
caoimhghinps I
think meeting up would be great and will try my
best to be there.
From:
"Terry McDaniel" <twmac@goodnet.com> | Block
address
Subject: John Walsh and/or Judith
Cormack Date:
Sat, 29 Jan 2000 17:54:14 -0700 To:
WALSH-L@rootsweb.com
My great
grandparents are John Walsh and Judith
Cormack. Her name islistedas Judith Cormack
Crehane. Does anyone know of a
county
calledCrehane?Any info is appreciated. A
son, Daniel Walsh was
baptized in
theCatholicChurch and the baptisimaal Registar if Cappamore,
County of
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Date: Mon, 31 Jan 2000 09:08:16 -0600 From:
Harvey.Wohlwend@intl.sematech.org
| Block address Subject:
RE: [CRYAN] Re: Cryan gathering
To:
CRYAN-L@rootsweb.
Karen,
Actually my wife
and I will be traveling from the United States to
Ireland
thissummer.We will be arriving Dublin on May 28th and departing Dublin on June
11th.
Afterspending a couple of days in Dublin our plans are to rent a car and
tour theisland
clockwise. We are tentatively planning on reaching Boyle about
June 6thor 7th. I
am NOT suggesting the Cryan gathering be scheduled for that
time butwould
welcome any travel tips since this is our first time in Ireland.
Our plansare to
stay at Bed & Breakfast places. Do we need to make advance
reservationsthat
time of year?Best regards,Harvey WohlwendAustin, Texas
ggrandson of
Danial Cryan b:1804
From: "John Sheerin"
<jsheerin@erols.com> | Block
address Date: Mon, 31 Jan 2000 14:32:59 -0500
Subject: [CRYAN] Re: Cryan
Gathering?? To:
CRYAN-L@rootsweb.co
Having received
the following message from Michael Tobin about a "Cryan
Gathering" I
would like to add my comments.
My wife and I will
be in Ireland from 01 to 20 June this summer and
wouldlove to meet
any and all CRYAN family researchers.
Please drop me an
email,Thanks and hope to hear from you.
Jake Sheerin,
(originally from Lowell Mass.)
Edgewater,
Maryland
From: "Michael Tobin"
<tobinmi@hotmail.com> | Block
address Date: Mon, 31 Jan 2000 15:34:32 PST Subject: [CRYAN] more on Cryan gathering To:
CRYAN-L@rootsweb.com
I haven't been
able to telephone the Cryan pub/restaurant/B&B in
Carrick-on-Shannon
yet, and will be travelling for the rest of this
week - so I will
contact them at the weekend to enquire when might be the best
time to get
bookings there, and what the rates are. It would be nice to have
Cryans as the
focal point for the get-together, but I don't think that
the availability
of rooms in Cryan's will be a showstopper for whenever we
want to meet.
There are loads of guesthouses in Carrick-on-Shannon and one
or two hotels
also. Even if we can't get accomodation in Cryan's, we can
always eat and
drink there!
>From recent
postings to the list, I have compiled the following list
of people who
might be available to meet (including myself at the end!) :-
Karen
- In July or August
Caoimhin -
Harvey
- In Ireland from May 28 to June 11.
Tentative plan to be in Boyle on
June 6th or 7th.
John
- In Ireland from 1 to 20 June
Michael
- June, July or August
Is there any one
else on the list based in Ireland who would be
interested in
meeting up ? Is there anyone else outside of Ireland planning on
travelling here in
the Summer ? If you post your plans to the list,
perhaps we can
organise the gathering to suit people's travel plans.
We probably won't
be able to fix a date such that it suits everyone and
for future years,
I think we should go with Eve's suggestion of having a
regular day each
year on which we would provisionally plan an informal
get-together - so
that people outside Ireland can plan around it. For this year, it
would be nice if
we could pick the date to suit people who have already made
travel
plans.Before suggesting a date, I'll wait to see if anyone else has plans to
be in Ireland this
Summer. Then we can decide what to do based on who's
around and on how
busy the tourist season might be at that time.
regardsMichael
From: "Michael Tobin"
<tobinmi@hotmail.com> | Block
address Date: Mon, 31 Jan 2000 15:51:31 PST
Subject: [CRYAN] Re: Brougher
townland To: CRYAN-L@rootsweb.com
Roger,I have 2
maps which are part of the Ordnance Survey Discovery series of
maps, and which
include the parishes and townlands around Ballymote and
Boyle.
Unfortunately, I left them at my mother's house in Sligo when I
was last up there,
so I cannot check them at the moment!
Its quite possible
that I am incorrect in saying that Brougher is part
of the parish of
Keash. It was part of the old parish of Toomour, at least
some of which is
now part of Keash.
I did a lookup on
the townland database at http://www.seanruad.com/
and it only lists
one Brougher in Sligo. It gives the old parish of
Toomour as the
parish name.
I know of at least
one address that is given as Broher, Ballinafad, but
this does not
necessarily mean that its in the parish of Ballinafad as often
times, if a
townland is near a town, the name of the town is included
in the postal
address as that is where the nearest post office is located.
Perhaps others on
the list know the definite answer to this.
Hope this
helps.regardsMichael
Date: Mon, 31 Jan 2000 15:54:56 PST From:
Karen McElrath <K.McElrath@Queens-Belfast.AC.UK> | Block address Subject: RE: [CRYAN] Cryan
gathering To:
CRYAN-L@rootsweb.com
Harvey: i don't know if this visit will be your first
to
ireland...i
visited here several times before i moved and
never once had any
reservations at b & bs. i found that
i
often would spend
a few extra days in a particular place and
hated the idea of
having to move on before i was ready. i
always was able to
get a place to stay despite having
visited here in
july and august, the peak months. if you
have not been
here, my personal favorite is the west coast
of ireland, from
kerry to donegal. just gorgeous. you
mention that you
are renting a car. there are few
automatics here,
so you need to specify that with the rental
car company if you
want an automatic. also, the car
insurance can be
high. my credit card covered all
isurance
overseas, as long
as i paid with the card. and remember
that distances are
recorded in kilometers in the south (and
miles in the
north). let me know if you plan to make
it to
the north i can
give you some tips. no doubt you will
have
a wonderful time
and return again and again.karen
From: Fatarm@aol.com | Block address Date:
Mon, 31 Jan 2000 22:21:46 EST
Subject:
[CRYAN] MD, VA USA rsrchrs and PBS' 'Touching Evil' & Creegan
To:
CRYAN-L@rootsweb.com
Jake's message
today reminds me that there are several of us Cryan,
Cregan, et al.
researchers here in the mid-Atlantic states.
Maybe a
rendez-vous
sometime at an LDS location or the National Archives might be an idea
whose time has
come. If nothing else, it will keep our
envy in check for
those of you in
Ireland this summer!
Has anyone else
noticed in the current Mystery series playing on PBS
that the
detective's name is David Creegan? It's
a Brit-production -- just
think! We now have a fiction character to add to the
databases! -Leslie
PBS' website: www.pbs.org or: <A
HREF="http://www.pbs.org/wgbh/mystery/programs/evil/index.html">MYSTERY!:Touching
Evil</A>
From: Fatarm@aol.com | Block address Date:
Mon, 31 Jan 2000 22:59:41 EST
Subject:
[CRYAN] Sligo Co. webpage on rootsweb
To: CRYAN-L@rootsweb.com
For the Sligo
researchers in the crowd:
<A
HREF="http://www.rootsweb.com/~irlsli/index.html">Sligo County
Ireland
Index</A> or: <A
HREF="http://www.rootsweb.com/~irlsli/index.html">http://www.rootsweb.c
om/~irlsli/index.html</A>
There are some
nice photos of churches and the beginning of Griffith's
for the County, it
appears. -Leslie
From: RoCryan@aol.com | Block address Date:
Tue, 1 Feb 2000 15:21:25 EST
Subject:
[CRYAN] East Coast Cryan Get together
To: CRYAN-L@rootsweb.com
Leslie and
others, I was lucky enough to get to
Ireland Last July and
know I won't be
going again soon. I'd definately
attend a get together in
Boston and could
provide accommodations for several just a quick subway ride
south of
boston. Rosalie
Date: Tue, 1 Feb 2000 21:21:54 PST From: Karen McElrath
<K.McElrath@Queens-elfast.AC.UK> |
Block address Reply-to: K.McElrath@Queens-Belfast.AC.UK
Subject: Re: [CRYAN] more on Cryan
gathering To: CRYAN-L@rootsweb.com
On Mon, 31 Jan
2000 15:34:32 PST Michael Tobin wrote:
michael: looks like i am the only one for whom june is
difficult. if
so, please settle
on a june date anyway. my mom and my
sister are coming over in june
and that's my last
working month so it's a bit difficult to take off. however, i
might still make
it for a june date as sligo/roscommon
are only 3 hours away or so. karen
From: "Kevin J. Crean"
<Kevin_J._Crean@HUD.GOV> | Block
address Date:
Wed, 2 Feb 2000 11:51:26 -0500
Subject: [CRYAN] US Eastcoast
Cryans Get-together
I am a Long
Island, NY Crean who might also be interested in an
east-coastgathering
this year or in the future. I haven't
yet made it to the
NationalArchives
either, in D.C. or the New York City branch.
A gathering
might be
theperfect excuse.
To: CRYAN-L@rootsweb.com
cc: (bcc: Kevin J. Crean/CPD/NYN/HUD)
Subject: [CRYAN] US Eastcoast Cryans Get-together
Leslie,Definitely
a good idea to help us not feel too bad about not being with
theothers in
Ireland.I live on Long Island and haven't yet had the opportunity to visit the
National Archives
in Washington, DC. Boston might also be a good locale
toattract all
those Lowell Cryans.
Maureen McCourt
Nantista
(my Mom was a
Cryan)
Huntington, NY
>Jake's message
today reminds me that there are several of us Cryan,
Cregan,>et al.
researchers here in the mid-Atlantic states.
Maybe a
rendez-vous>sometime
at an LDS location or the National Archives might be an idea
whose>time has
come. If nothing else, it will keep our
envy in check for
those of>you in
Ireland this summer!
>
From:
Jill Devito <devito@uta.edu> | Block address Date:
Wed, 2 Feb 2000 11:09:51
-0600
Subject:
[CRYAN] East Coast gathering
To: CRYAN-L@rootsweb.com
If there is a
possibility of an East Coast get together, can I put in a
votefor June? I live in Texas, but if all goes well I will
be working in
Albany for six
weeks in May and June.Jill
Date: Wed, 02 Feb 2000 12:56:33 -0500 From:
Maureen McCourt Nantista <mornan@nais.com> | Block address Subject: [CRYAN] Cryan Gathering
To:
CRYAN-L@rootsweb.com
Fellow
Listers,Even though it's not likely I'll be making it over this year, I think
thegathering of
Cryans is a super idea!!!
While I'm not very
familiar with the seasonal weather in Ireland, my
onlyinput is that
for future years, all things being equal, you might want
toconsider having
it in the spring or fall just to make it a little
easierfor those of
us coming from a distance since airline prices and seat
availability can
present a problem in July and August.
Also next year the
4th Irish Genealogical Congress is taking place in
Dublin 18-23
September 2001 and some of us will probably be coming to
Ireland at that
time. Good luck!! I'm looking forward to meeting you, if not this time, then
certainly in
coming years.Maureen McCourt Nantista(my Mom was a Cryan)Huntington, NY
From: Iliktotick@aol.com | Block address Date:
Wed, 2 Feb 2000 15:31:03 EST
Subject:
[CRYAN] A Cregan Here To: CRYAN-L@rootsweb.com
Hi Group:I will be
attending my husband's family reunion in DC in July. I live
in Pittsburgh,
however, so it wouldn't be difficult for me to attend a get
together with my
cousins anytime of the year. My only
obstacle might
be my job which
takes me all over the country. If I can
make it though, I
will be
there.Joanne Tyler-TuckerMy Mom was a Cregan
From: Fatarm@aol.com | Block address Date:
Wed, 2 Feb 2000 16:57:01 EST
Subject:
[CRYAN] Creane and Timlin
To: CRYAN-L@rootsweb.com
As advertized on
another mailing list, here are some Creane's:
<A
HREF="http://www.seanet.com/~cobra/">Timlin Genealogy</A>
-http://www.seanet.com/~cobra/
click on
"RESEARCHED MATERIALS, then CASTLECONNOR"
(Note: the researche materials button is not always
displayed in full,
but was the lowest
right hand button of the upper left buttons when I last
looked at this
page).-Leslie
From: "Roger Cryan"
<cryan@avana.net> | Block address
Subject:
Re: [CRYAN] Re: Brougher townland Date:
Wed, 2 Feb 2000 23:27:02 -0500
To:
CRYAN-L@rootsweb.com
Michael, You are probably right about the postal
address (Brougher,
Ballinafad). Do the Brougher listings in Griffiths
include any Rorkes?
Does anyone else know anything about the
Brougher Cryans as far
back asthe 1850's?
Roger
From: Kmcrehan@aol.com | Block address Date:
Thu, 3 Feb 2000 09:26:22 EST