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"Family History" < > From: "Family History" < >
| Block address Date: Tue, 25 May 1999 10:00:49 +0100
Organisation: Family Spackman Subject:
[CRYAN-L] Re Problems To: CRYAN-L@rootsweb.comThank you to all those who wrote
offering advice about lightening
affectingone's
computor. Normally weather of any extreme form is not a problem
herein
England.There is an old adage that "lightening does not strike twice
inthe same
place" which is particularly applicable to this country. I
havenever seen
anything so terrible as that recent tornado in
At the moment we
are sending and receiving emails and accessing the
internetvia the
mouse port as it seems to be the modem port which is affected,
fortunately not
the modem. We shall also eventually get an internal
modem sothat the
port is not used.
However do not
stop the emails coming - the turn round will just be a
littleslower.What
has happened to the CRYAN list? There seem to be no
conversations.There
are also several people who were sending for birth certificates
etcfollowing some
information that I was able to give..........I would
love toknow what
happened and whether they were the correct family members.
I now have a very
large data base which I am gradually adding to, as I
search the parish
records.I also have it on card indexes filed by
father'sname and
by mother's name. Computor buffs will say ugh! but
ithas a great many
advantages. Each card has a set of parents and their
children and of
course all the relevant dates and most of the sources .
Soit takes quite a time to match up
generations. The beauty of this
system isthat one
does not have to sit at a computor !!!!!!
The results of
deliberations can then be put into my several computor
datasets - I have
one for experimental links in addition to my main family
trees.Familytreemaker
I find Ok but not nearly as flexible as a very simple ,
verycrude program
that I bought in a supermaket years ago for £9.99 or
about $20called
"Family Tree". It gives an adequate printed tree but not nearly
as"beautiful"
as FTM. We have had considerable problems with FTMs
facility
for"unmerging" which seems to damage the file and render it unusable
for
anyother programs.
This has been difficult as my husband has written a
veryuseful program
to identify entries with similarities eg children with
thesame parents,
people with the same date of birth or marriage date etc.
Thisis very useful
when one transfers large amounts of data about or enters
stuff from a
variety of sources.I know that there are lots of similar programs . I believe
Brothers
Keeperis another
popular genealogy set up.What do you all use to organise your data and what do
you think of thatparticular set of programs ? What are their strong points and
their
weeknesses?I look
forward to your contributions. Eve
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From: "Family History" < > | Block address Date: Wed, 26 May
1999 13:26:14 +0100
Organisation: Family Spackman Subject:
[CRYAN-L] Re a Michael and Mary CRYAN To: CRYAN-L@rootsweb.com
If anyone has an
interest in a Michael CRYAN who married Mary DURR, I
mayhave found them
in another country in the late 1800s, so please mail
me, tolet me know
whether you know of their later life. I have found a
Michael andMary
CRYAN which seem to fit but it may just be a coincidence. Eve
Date: Wed, 26 May
1999 14:19:05 -0500 From: Jill DeVito <jill.devito@angelo.edu> | Block
address Subject: [CRYAN-L] progress To: CRYAN-L@rootsweb.com
Dear Cryan
Listers,I have made some progress in tracing my Lowell Cryan line.
I had one
afternoon to spend in the
myrecent trip to
the Northeast from
With Joan Ogg's
help, I was able to quickly locate the death
certificatefor my
g-g grandfather James Cryan (b. Roscommon) who came to
theearly 1870's.
His parents were James and Mary, who were born in
Irelandand
which James and
Mary they are!)Obituaries e-mailed to me by Karen Murphy have shown that a
James andMaryof
CryanO'Flahavan,
Thomas Cryan, Timothy Cryan, and John Cryan (who remained
inIreland).
Unfortunately I do not have the obits handy right now, but
theybelonged to
Mary and Thomas who were born in the 1840's and died by the
1920's. I believe
my James may have been their brother, since his
parentsare also
James and Mary, and he is listed at the same residence as
Timothyin the 1874
O'Flahavan'spallbearers
were descendants of my James.
James was born
abt. Dec 1, 1835 in Ballagherdereen,
anddied July 17,
1889 in
wouldnot have been
listed among surviving family members in the obituaries
ofMary, Thomas or
Timothy because they died after he did.
Unfortunately, I
was unable to find a complete obituary (listing
survivors)for
James in the
weremissing from
the microfilm for the
briefly mentioned
his death.So I am still seeking evidence of a direct connection between James
and
theothers.I have
photocopied the Cryan pages of at least 12 years worth of LowellDirectories,
and will post that information as soon as I finishtranscribing it.Jill
Biology Department
Date: Thu, 27 May 1999 08:20:59 -0700 (PDT)
From: Caoimhghin O Croidheain <caoimhghin@yahoo.com> | Block address
Subject: [CRYAN-L] obits To:
CRYAN-L@rootsweb.com
hi saw this site
in rootsweb and got following results:
The OBITUARY DAILY
TIMES <http://www.rootsweb.com/~obituary/>
topped the three
million obituaries mark in early May 1999.
Congratulations to
the project's founder, Denis SAVARD, to its
brains and brawn
today, Walter STYLES, and to the thousands of
volunteers whose
efforts have made and continue to make it grow.
Obituary Daily
Times
Entries matching
"cryan"
If no names are
listed below here, then none were found.
Type: Keyword
Matches: 1-14 of 14 Breakdown: cryan[14]
BAILEY, Bernice E
"Bunny" (CRYAN); 82;
1998-1-16; cgdbout
BAILEY, Bernice E
"Bunny" (CRYAN); 82;
1998-1-16; cgdbout
CRYAN, Alberg C G;
; ; Newsday (NY); 1998-6-10; rpng
CRYAN, Gladys (HOUSE);
81;
CRYAN, Jessie May;
88; ; San Jose M-N (CA); 1999-4-29; bjw
CRYAN, John J; ;
CRYAN, John J; ;
CRYAN, M Kathleen "Kay"
(MURPHY); 76;
1999-5-18; kbutler
CRYAN, M Kathleen
"Kay" (MURPHY); 76;
1999-5-19; kbutler
KELLY-CRYAN, Joan
Frances; ; metro
1996-3-17;
trumbullc
PATTERSON, Harriet
C (CRYAN); 69;
PA; Sentinel;
1999-3-4; wwwalton
PATTERSON, Harriet
(CRYAN); 69;
1999-3-4; mam
ROONEY,
1998-2-5; bjw
STADVEC
Date: Sun, 30 May 1999 00:35:42 -0400 From:
Maureen McCourt Nantista <mornan@nais.com> | Block address Subject:
[CRYAN-L] Re a Michael and Mary CRYAN
To: CRYAN-L@rootsweb.com
Hi Eve,YES!!! I am
interested in Michael and Mary (Durr) Cryan!!
They are my gg-grandparents
through their son Michael (1855-1933). I've
found their
marriage record of 26 July 1853 in the Boyle RC registers
andalso a possible
christening for Michael in 1826 in the same registers.
The most recent
records I have for them is the birth and christening of
their last (known)
child, John, in 1865, again Boyle. I've been
sytematically
sending for photcopies (can get costly) of all the
possibledeaths of
Michaels and Marys in
list) but none so
far seem likely. So there is a very strongpossibilitythat they died
elsewhere.Would be MOST grateful for whatever information you have.Thanks and
much success with your own search.
Maureen
From: "Kevin
J. Crean" <Kevin_J._Crean@hud.gov> | Block address Date:
Tue, 1 Jun 1999 13:46:15 -0400 Subject:
[CRYAN-L] Census Records
To: CRYAN-L@rootsweb.com
While I have been
reading the many e:mails that passed my way in recent
months this is my
first message to the mailing list. I am fairly new
tothis so please
bear with me. I fear my questions may be extremely
basic.Most of the
information I have on my father's family comes from a
recentlydeceased
first cousin of his. Due to my own efforts at contacting
secondcousins and
other relations, both for the purpose of conducting
genealogical
research and to expand the mailing list for my just
createdfamily
newsletter and bi-annual reunion, I received a letter from a
secondcousin that
contradicted some basic information -- the names of my
g-grandparents' nine
children. This cousin, whose family remained in
shemerely wrote me
a letter and included some information she knew, from
memory, with the
result being that I must now do something I should
havedone at the
very beginning. I need to verify the names of my
grandfather'seight
siblings. I have his birth and baptismal certificates and
althoughhe was the
youngest child in his family I am fairly certain that all of
hissiblings were
born in the same parish as he. My question to the group
is:How can I best
obtain the verification I seek? I am assuming that I
shouldlook for the
Census records. My grandfather was born in
start with the
1880 and 1890 census records. Would my local (
City)
tobe ordered? Is
knowing the parish and townland sufficient to find the
information in a
first visit? I know my g-g parents' names and most of
their children's
names are not in dispute so I should be able to
recognizethe
family if I see them. I guess what I am asking is: How long
shouldthis process
take? I am not looking for a quick fix, I just want to be
able to plan my
trip to the LDS Center to make the best use of my
limitedtime.Thank
you in advance to anyone who can assist me.
One more question:
Is anyone researching the Crean line from Sligo? I
soseldom see the
name even come up in e:mails that I wonder if the group
ismade up entirely
of Cryans. Thanks again.
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From: "Family History" < > | Block address Subject: Fw:
[CRYAN-L] Census Records
Date: Wed, 2 Jun 1999 13:43:25 +0100
Organisation: Family Spackman
To: CRYAN-L@rootsweb.com
----- Original
Message -----
From: Family
History < >
To: Kevin J. Crean
<Kevin_J._Crean@hud.gov>
Sent: 02 June 1999
11:46
Subject: Re:
[CRYAN-L] Census Records
Hi Kevin ,Sadly
there are very few census records in Ireland to help you.The 1901
isthe most
complete but much of the rest was destroyed in the fires of
1916.There are
however other ways of getting to the information that you
wouldlike.I can
not lay my hand on my book that lists all the Irish resources, at
thepresent time. I
will let you know when I find it and send you anything
relevant. However,
at the LDS there is a very comprehensive catalogue
ontheir computer.
(you may have to book to use it).
HOWEVER on the
internet you can enter the LDS Family Search site and
look attheir
catalogue and it gives the film numbers for Kilglass Co Sligo
1901census and for
the parish records.There are two ways of getting there
http://www.familysearch.org/search
from where you can access other
types of
searches as weel
clicking on "Custom Search" through which you get a
listand then you
click on to the catalogue title.
OR directly so you
can not be side tracked
http://wwwfamilysearch.org/search/searchcatalog.asp
CREAN/CRYAN and
all the other variants can be interchangeable the
furtherback one
goes. No spelling is fixed. Looking through parish records one
finds what is
obviously the same family with a different surname
spellingfor each
of their children. WHY? well one explanation is that Irish
accentsvary as
much as the people but the name written down depended on the
personwho heard it
to write it down. This was usually the priest and after
1864the registrar
(NB not all people were registered for whatever reason).
Saythe names in
different accents and you will come up with a huge variety
ofspellings. Here
are just a few that I have come across in the parish
registers Crane,
Crion, Creyon, Krine, Crine, Cryne, Croghan, Crehen
Craheenetc.Good
luck with your search Eve
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"Family History" < > From: "Family History" < >
| Block address Date: Thu, 10 Jun 1999 09:45:28 +0100
Organisation: Family Spackman Subject:
[CRYAN-L] URLs and Question
To: CRYAN-L@rootsweb.com
Hi all,I case
there are those people who have not used the new LDS Family
Searchsite which
gives access to their IGI,Ancestral File AND the LIbrary
Catalogue (so that
you can look up film numbers before you visit), here
isthe URL
http://www.familysearch.org
You may also be
interested in this list of VERY kind souls who will do
look-upshttp://www.geocities.com/Heartland/Plains/8555/lookup.html
Question : Having
found the birth/christening of an ancestor, this then
gives the parents
and if one is lucky, one may get the townland on
whichthey were
living at the time, one may also get the witnesses who could
wellbe relatives;
where does one go from there knowing that they have not
appeared earlier
in that parish register?
I have tried
different lines of investigation,so far unsuccessfully -
HASANYONE GOT ANY
SUGGESTIONS ?
Please reply to
the list because your suggestion my just be
appropriate
tosomeone other than me, as well as me.
Thanks Eve
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"Family History" < > From: "Family History" < >
| Block address Date: Thu, 10 Jun 1999 18:04:30 +0100 Organisation: Family
Spackman Subject: [CRYAN-L] CREAN
To: CRYAN-L@rootsweb.com
Did Kevin J Crean
have any luck at the LDS. Rereading your email I do
hopethat you
followed up looking at the LDS catalogue before you visited
,inorder to
collect any film numbers.I do not know how much New York FHC
has onpermanent
loan but there is still much to look at even if you have to
waitfor the film
of the parish records.
To all our readers
... do let us know how you are getting on....and
whatdifficulties
you find.I am not making progress but am concentrating on transcribing the 1901
census for the
Boyle region. it is fascinating to see how few Cryans
are inthe parishes
that I have done so far, on the southern fringes of the
Cryanheartland.
Hopefullt there will be more as I progress.
Interestingly one of the enumerators was J
Cryan and I can hazard a
guessas to who he
is !!!!! Currently I am working on Killukin, in
particularCroghan
town, it should have been put up in a few weeks time so do
visit
thesearchable database of the 1901 census on the Leitrim and Roscommon
website.I am sure
you can find it for we have given the URL countless times.Eve
Date: Thu, 10 Jun
1999 13:05:26 -0700 (PDT) From: Caoimhghin O Croidheain
<caoimhghin@yahoo.com> | Block address Subject: Re: [CRYAN-L] CREAN
To: CRYAN-L@rootsweb.com
hi EveDo you have
the url for the 1901 I am interested as my gggrandfather
(John Cryan) was
the national teacher at Croghan - who do you think was
the
enumerator??caoimhghin
Date: Fri, 11 Jun 1999 02:53:25 -0700 (PDT)
From: Caoimhghin O Croidheain <caoimhghin@yahoo.com> | Block address
Subject: [CRYAN-L] partial 1901 census for cryan
To: CRYAN-L@rootsweb.com
hi smae again here
for layout follow the categories as they are
listed in first
part - this is to show what may be found - that is why
I havent done
cryan surname variations....
caoimhghin
The
Leitrim-Roscommon
1901 Census
Search
Output
TownlandParishBaronyCountyDescription Head of
household Surname
Head
ofhouseholdGivenHead ofhouseholdOccupationOther occupants
Ardmoyle Kilnamanagh Frenchpark Roscommon
Household Cryan
John(34) farmer/married Bridget(31) wife-Kate(5mo.)
Kingsland
Kilnamanagh Frenchpark Roscommon Household Cryan
Bernard(50) Farmer/unmarried
Ballinvoher Kilnamanagh Frenchpark Roscommon
Household Cryan
Pat(57) Farmer/married Eliza(43)
wife-Michael(20)-Bernard(19)-William(17)-Patrick(14)
scholar-John(11
)scholar-Edward(6)scholar-Thomas(1)-Hanoria(16)
scholar-Maggie(10)
scholar-Sarah(7)scholar-Molly(5) scholar
Lisduff Tisrara
Athlone Roscommon Household Cryan
Patrick(41)
farmerMaggie(37)-Kate(15)-Thomas(13)-Bridget(11)-Jane(9)-Mary
Ann(8)-Eleria(4)-Jane(83) mother
Ballyfinegan
Ballintober Castlerea Roscommon Household Cryan
Mary(62)
farmer Elizabeth(28)
Ballyfinegan
Ballintober Castlerea Roscommon Household Cryan
James(33) farmer
Catherine(38)-Michael(13)-Patrick(12)-Delia(11)-Annie(5)-Daniel(2)
Knockalaghta/Sandford
Ballintober Castlerea Roscommon Household
Cryan John(60)
shepherd
Katie(56)-Patrick(21)-Bridget(15)-Annie(14)-John(12)
Lissalway Baslick Castlerea Roscommon
Household
Cryan James(72) farmer
Mary(43) wife-Maria(17)-James(14)-Michael(12)-Ellen(9)-Thomas(6)-Martin(4)
Knockalegan West Baslick Castlerea Roscommon
Household
Cryan Thomas(60) labourer
Carnakit Baslick Castlerea Roscommon Household
Cryan Mary(75)
Anne(40)-Owen(38)
shepherd-Jane(34)-Patrick(32)-Mary
Kate(16) gd-Annie(8) gd-Sarah(4) gd
Ballaghaderreen T.
Kilcolman Costello Roscommon Other
CryanMartin(18) apprentice
Creggane Kilcolman Costello Roscommon
Household
CryanMartin(58) farmer
Catherine(56)-Peter(13)-Thomas(11)-Patrick
McGarry(80)visitor-Michael Cregg(55)serv.
Lung Castlemore Costello Roscommon Household
Cryan Dominick(75) shepherd
Mary(60)-Catherine(35)teacher-Lizzie(19)-James
Broderick(28)boarder-John
Machaffrey(20)boarder
Cloonbard Baslick Castlerea Roscommon
Household Cryanes
Ellen(41)
farmer John(17)-Michael(15)
14 Total Matches
Please forward any questions or comments
regarding the census data to
Roger McDonnell at
rmcdonn@erols.com
Date: Fri, 11 Jun 1999 09:52:27 -0500 From:
Jill DeVito <jill.devito@angelo.edu> | Block address Subject: [CRYAN-L]
St. Patrick's Cemetery (Lowell) burial records
To: CRYAN-L@rootsweb.com
St. Patrick's
Cemetery Burial Records thru 1998;
I have re-arranged
the alphabetical list by Yard and Lot:
Location age
burial appx birth my notes
Yard 3, Lot 21
Sarah A 29 1/17/09
b abt 1880
John J 0 2/14/01
Margaret 0
11/25/04
Yard 4, Lot 23
James 56 12/18/20b
abt 1864 son of James Cryan 1835-1889
Bridget 80 1/7/49
b abt 1869 daughter of James
Katherine F 84
2/11/57 b abt 1873 daughter of James
John P 65 1/26/40
b abt 1875 is this "nephew John" ofcensus?
Sarah B 71 7/14/11
b abt 1840 S. McMahon, wife of James Cryan
Elizabeth 6
11/11/11b abt 1905 whose daughter is Elizabeth?
Robert W 29
6/26/56 b abt 1927 (Korean War?) who is Robert?
Yard 4, Lot 26
Harriet V 79
4/30/54 b abt 1875
Vincent 0 4/24/23
b 1923
Yard 5B, Lot 2
Thomas 74 3/28/37
b abt 1863
Julia M 60 6/5/25
b abt 1865
Yard 5B, Lot 14
John 64 2/5/39 b
1874 son of James Cryan 1835-1889
Anna G 50 4/6/36 b
1884 wife of John
James Y 81 2/2/90
b 1908 James U., son of John & Anna
Mary K 86 1/8/96 b
1909 Mary K. Cassidy, wife of James
Thomas 23 6/18/49
b 1920 son of John & Anna, KIA WWII
Yard 5B, Lot 31
Thomas E 62
9/16/34 b abt 1872
Delia 79 6/25/54 b
abt 1875
Bridget 0
11/11/94b 1894 (?)
Gertrude 3
10/28/99b abt 1896
Madeline 84
12/22/92b abt 1908
Yard 5B, Lot 33
James J 35
10/22/09b abt 1874
Mary A 49 9/14/24
b abt 1875
Yard 5B, Lot 31
Nellie 2 8/24/07 b abt 1905
Rosemary A 85
12/22/79b abt 1894
Mary E 0 2/26/94
Yard 5C, Lot 8
Annie M 62 6/30/16
b abt 1854 wife of Thomas (?)
Thomas 65 4/15/10
b abt 1855 brother of James Cryan
1835-1889
Annie G 92
11/22/72b abt 1880 Annie J. McGuane; wife of Alec
James J 27
11/18/08b abt 1881 son of Thomas & Annie (?)
Alexander T 75
3/27/56 b abt 1881 son of James Cryan 1835-1889
Yard 5D, Lot 3
Michael 50 6/9/99
b abt 1849 possibly brother to James Cryan
Bridget 73
12/20/21b abt 1858 wife of Michael
Bridget 75 1/16/48
b abt 1873 daughter of Michael
Annie 47 11/13/22b
abt 1875 daughter of Michael
Margaret 82
9/15/59 b abt 1877 daughter of Michael
Nellie 58 9/27/39
b abt 1881 daughter of Michael
Michael 28 5/8/11
b abt 1883 son of Michael
James 55 1/27/39 b
abt 1884 son of Michael
Nora E 52 9/3/38 b
abt 1886 daughter of Michael
Yard 5D, Lot 17
Margaret A 68
2/13/34 b abt 1866
Yard 5E, Yard 40
Mary 73 8/1/02 b
abt 1829 wife of Michael Cryan
Edward J 83
5/22/45 b abt 1862 son of Mary
Annie 75 8/14/43 b
abt 1868 daughter of Mary
Mary 95 9/22/83 b
abt 1888 daughter of Mary
Yard 6, Lot 6
Margaret M 82 4/28/47
b abt 1865
Martin 61 3/31/36
b abt 1875
Mary E 25 2/4/20 b
abt 1895
John 59 11/18/54b
abt 1895
James 65 6/28/66 b
abt 1901
Katherine 12
3/29/28 b abt 1916
Yard 6, Lot 25
Bridget 70
11/20/12b abt 1842
Hannah 56 8/17/20
b abt 1864
Annie 88 11/21/62b
abt 1874
Yard 6, Lot 64
Mary 56 2/20/25 b
abt 1869
Yard --, Lot 63A
John J 74 2/4/75 b
abt 1901
Irene 68 3/24/75 b
abt 1907
Yard --, Lot 107
Timothy 52 5/8/70
b abt 1918 son of Alexander T. Cryan
Rita M 12 11/2/35
b abt 1923 wife of Timothy (?)
Yard --, Lot 487
Thomas E 52
5/26/52 b abt 1900
Yard --, Lot 698
Joseph F 72
12/26/56b abt 1884
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From: Fatarm@aol.com | Block address Date:
Sat, 12 Jun 1999 12:12:29 EDT
Subject: [CRYAN-L] What do you want to find?
To:
CRYAN-L@rootsweb.com
I was immediately
reminded by Eve's question, of one recently asked of
me by a
(suspicious) elderly aunt: what was it I was looking for? Now while
my aunt was
probably wondering what I wanted to know that either (a) she
couldn't tell me,
or (b) was none of my business, it's a good question
to ask at those
points when you're breathing inbetween research.
If you've hit a
wall, i.e., you've got the parents' names but no other
records are
forthcoming, do you want to trace all their descendants?
Do you want to
learn more about the community they lived in? The
times/history of
the era? Their siblings or only up-the-tree (so to speak) to their
parents? Their
occupations?And of course, implied in the question is, 'why?' do you want to
know?
I'm not throwing
this out as my aunt did, in a sort of challenging way.
I'd like to know
... sometimes defining the question points to the path to
follow to get to
the answer.
Personally, I want
to know all of those things (that's why those are
the questions that
occurred to me). I also want to develop a sense of
family -- not
just, it's a rare name but we all come from Roscommon (see the
fallacies that
start to fall with a few good questions!) ...
I'd love to know
what questions you're seeking the answers to -- maybe
I can add them to
my list!!! -Leslie
From:
Fatarm@aol.com | Block address Date: Sat, 12 Jun 1999 12:16:18 EDT
Subject: [CRYAN-L] Cregon Obit To:
CRYAN-L@rootsweb.com
In a small town
like Washington, one never expects to find an obit for
the list in the
daily paper -- but my nearly-5 month vigilance paid off
today. Is anyone
on the list currently researching this spelling in
particular? -
Leslie
- - - - -
The Washington
Post, June 12, 1999, p. B6 Cregon, Jon Patrick
On Wednesday, June
9, 1999, in Palm Bay, FL formerly of Shady Side, MD.
[There's still family in the area apparently.]
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"Family History" < > From: "Family History" < >
| Block address To: "Caoimhghin O Croidheain"
<caoimhghin@yahoo.com> Subject: Re: [CRYAN-L] CREAN reply
Date: Sun, 13 Jun 1999 12:46:51 +0100
Organisation: Family Spackman
hi EveDo you have
the url for the 1901 I am interested as my gggrandfather
(John Cryan) was
the national teacher at Croghan - who do you think was
the enumerator??
Re the 1901 census
- each household is on a form which has been filled
in bythe head of
the house, if they can write or the enumerator, if not.
Thus onesees the
writing and signature of those people. I have come across
CroghanNational
School no2 which is not Cryans, so I will have to wait and see
whether Croghan NS
no1 signature tallies with that of the enumerator
but Isuspect that
your John may be the enumerator.....however there are so
manyJohn Cryans
that I can not guarantee it.I am about 2/3 of the way down the film of Boyle
area and have 2 morefilmsto go and the townlands do not always occur in a
sequence........ so
youwill have to be
patient , as there are only 2 of us doing the whole of
Roscommon. Roger McDonnell
has done the majority of the work himself.
Am in a hurry ,
will write again Eve
Reply-to:
"Family History" < > From: "Family History" < >
| Block address To: "Caoimhghin O Croidheain"
<caoimhghin@yahoo.com> Subject: ps Date: Sun, 13 Jun 1999 13:22:06 +0100
Organisation: Family SpackmanHi again,
Re 1901 census, your John Cryan was married in 1858 at
which time he
wasover 21and most probably over 25, so he was born at
the latest in 1837, so his
youngest age in 1901 would be 64 and he was probably
older, then
wouldn't hebe retired in 1901.?
He would then not be living in the schoolhouse. We
shall have to await
results.Of his parentage I have some possibilites my
favoured are
a) John CRYAN and Mary HARRINGTON (of Boyle RC)which
give their son
Johnborn in 1835(ie 23 at marriage and 71 at death)
andb) John CRYAN and Mary CLARK (of Boyle RC) whose
son John was born in
1824(ie 34 on marriage,82 at death)but these are only
the ones that I have picked out there could be
others........these are suggestions only. But what do
you think ? Untilagain Eve
Date: Sun, 13 Jun
1999 16:11:29 -0500 From: Jill DeVito <jill.devito@angelo.edu> | Block
address Subject: [CRYAN-L] location of St. Pat's Cem To:
CRYAN-L@rootsweb.com
Sorry I forgot to
be more specific.St. Patrick's Cemetery is located in Lowell, Middlesex
Co.Massachussetts Angelo State
UniversityBiology DepartmentSan Angelo, TX 76909 (915) 942-2189 ext.238 (915) 942-2184 fax
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From: "Family History" < > | Block address To: "Caoimhghin
O Croidheain" <caoimhghin@yahoo.com> Subject: Re: ps Date:
Wed, 16 Jun 1999 10:29:28 +0100 Organisation:
Family SpackmanHi,
The reason I had
for putting forward the two names that I gave was that
thetwo eldest
children of John and Margaret Dolan were Mary (Jane ) and
John.I will
investigate the Drurys as far as I can because you think that
theymay be cousins
- they could still be cousins by a sister of John Cryan
or asister of
Margaet Dolan marrying a Drury. On the other hand Michael
Drurycould be just
a "very best friend" of the groom.
Until again, EvePS
again, what year did John Cryan die and how old was he reported to
be -that should
give roughly the year of birth.
----- Original
Message -----
From: Caoimhghin O
Croidheain <caoimhghin@yahoo.com>
To: Family History
< >
Sent: 15 June 1999
17:49Subject: Re: ps
hiThanks for the
suggestions. I dont have my material with me but I think
it was in the
Ccroghan parish there was a j cryan who married a
catherine Drury in
1829 (The best man at my gggrandfathers wedding was
a maichael
drury...) Also the first 2 sons were born in croghan and the
the third ,john ,
was born in Boyle ( my gggrandfather lived in croghan
) what do you
think??kevinps i will have to try and send those attachments again
From: "Roger
Cryan and Regina Pana-Cryan" <cryan@avana.net> | Block address
Date: Fri, 18 Jun 1999 12:39:17 -0400 Subject:
[CRYAN-L] Re: "The Irish Countryman"
To: CRYAN-L@rootsweb.com
To Patrick et al.,
The book is "The Irish Countryman" by Conrad Arensberg. It was
originallypublished
in 1937 by Macmillan Company; a revised and expanded edition
waspublished in
1968 by Natural History Press for American Museum Science
Books. A 1959
edition seems to be simply a reprint of the 1937 book.
The Library of Congress Catalog Card Number is
68-13630
The ISBN on the inexpensive paperback (1968)
edition I have is
0-385-09075-7. The
book was especially enlightening regarding the family relationship
inthe Irish
countryside. Arensberg did his fieldwork in Couny Clare, but
Ithink his work is
relevant for those of us interested in other western
counties, as well.
I found it for sale at both of these used book brokering sites:
www.abebooks.com (there was a $2.00 and a
$3.75 copy of the 1968
edition)
www.bibliofind.com
Have fun, Roger----------
> From: Cook,
Jonathan A (HUK) <cookja3@texaco.com>
> To:
'cryan@avana.net'
> Subject:
"The Irish Countryman"
> Date:
Thursday, June 17, 1999 10:09 AM
> > Dear
Roger and Regina,
> > In your
posting on Rootsweb of 6th May 1999 you mentioned a bookcalled"The>
Irish Countryman" by Arenburg(?). I have searched high and low
forthisbut> cannot trace it anywhere. Could you let me have more details -
theISBN> would be very helpful.> > Thank you for anything you can do
to help.
> > Patrick
Cryans
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"Family History" < > From: "Family History" < >
| Block address Date: Tue, 13 Jul 1999 08:32:09 +0100
Organization: Family Spackman Subject:
[CRYAN-L] To all
To:
Hi to everyone,I
am sorry not to hear from you all but I suppose lovely weather and
Summerholidays are
taking over. Do have a good Summer......
I have collected
some interesting CRYANs from the 1881 census which no
doubtwill
eventually filter through. Lyle and Paul(I think) should be
especiallyinterested
in those that stayed behind! However there are only 154 in
thewhole of
England, Wales and Scotland.
I look forward to
hearing from you all. Happy hunting Eve
Date: Thu, 15 Jul
1999 19:08:32 +1000 From: lsimpson@effect.net.au (George Simpson) | Block
address Subject: [CRYAN-L] Re: CRYAN-D Digest V99 #51 To: CRYAN-L@rootsweb.com
I am still looking
for any information on John Creegan who settled in
Alexandria VA in
1854. He came originally from Co. Louth, possibly from
Drogheda or
Drumshallon. He was born about 1830. He may have had a twin
brother and
another brother, William (b. 1828). Two of the brothers
went toUSA, the
third went to Australia.John Creegan was a pillar of the Alexandria
establishment. Both he andhiswife Catherine McCann were highly regarded as
their obituaries attest.
Would love to find
any information on John and his family in Ireland.
Parents probably
married in 1827/28, and probably born between 1800-10.
Thanks>Lynne
Simpson Canberra Australia
From:
RuthK3834@aol.com | Block address Date: Wed, 21 Jul 1999 23:16:41 EDT
Subject: [CRYAN-L] Cregan/Fitton Research To:
CRYAN-L@rootsweb.com
I thought that I
would repost my surname research since I have not done
so in a long time.
I have been so busy collecting information in Ireland.
I have been
researching my Cregan roots for some time on both sides of
the ocean. I would
very much appreciate any help or contact anyone may
offer.My great
grandmother Catherine Fitton Cregan emigrated to the United
States from
Newcastle West in County Limerick, Ireland after her husband James
Cregan passed on.
Only some of her ten children came with her.
The children (all
of them) were Patrick born 1857 died unmarried in
1911 in
Bklyn.Catherine born 1858, Bridget aka Delia aka Nellie born 1859 married
John Regan and had
two sons John and Edmund. She died in 1945 and is buried
in Calvery
Cemetary in Woodside Long Island with her mother and her
brother. She was
John Regan's second wife. He was buried in Saugerties NY
beside his first
wife. Catherine born in 1862 married a Tierney and lived in Brooklyn, NY
James born
1864Mary born 1865Michael born 1869 married and lady named Mary and lived in
Manhattan. Morgan born in 1871 married Ellen O'Shea and had four daughters,
Mairen,
Eileen,Dora and Celia. He remained in Ireland and fought for the freedom of
Ireland against
the EnglishJohn born 1874 Tom born 1876If this family history looks familiar to
any of you all I would surelylove to hear from you. Regards,Ruth, Jacksonville,
Florida
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"Family History" < >
From: "Family History" < > |
Block address
Date: Fri, 23 Jul 1999 11:43:56 +0100
Organization: Family Spackman
Subject: [CRYAN-L] Cryan in Co Sligo and Co
Roscommon To:
Hi all,I have just
bought the two maps that I have been awaiting. The Irish
Ordnance Survey
Discovery series (1:50,000) is now all in print. Very
interesting it is
to see all the larger townlands marked, especially as
I amnow
transcribing part of Boyle parish for the 1901 census on the
LeitrimRoscommon
website. I am now able to pinpoint where exactly the people
lived.One
interesting feature is the distances between places. eg
Ballaghadereento
Gurteen is about 10 miles, Gurteen to Boyle is about 7miles;Boyle to
Swinford about 12
to 15 miles etc
Taking it one step
further - if one looks in the Irish Register Indexes
onesees born
in/died in Boyle, Castlereagh,Swinford, Strokestown, Carrick
onShannon etc as
the place where "registered" ie the nearest big town
with aregister
office. One's ancestor could live anywhere in that town's
hinterland or not
necessarily live but just happen to be. One usually
registers where
the event took place. In the case of Boyle and other
townsnear the
border of a county, the registration district extends over the
border.So BEWARE
of making assumptions
One also has to
register these events in person so one can imagine
occasionswhen,
living a distance from the registry office, someone in the
townlandsays that
they are taking a cart to another town with a registry and
wouldyou like a
lift - I think that I would go and get the job done. So
differentbut
nearby or adjacent places of registration may not mean that the
ancestorhad
actually moved house. BEWARE again.
You can understand
these ideas better having looked at the maps.
My brother has
just visited Sligo ,Ballymote, Keash and Toomour and
talkedto people up
little tracks miles from anywhere................he
called thedistrict
"Ballyremote" so it must be a very lonely area......."just
my cupof tea
",I think. I will be there some time.Regards to all Eve
From: "Roger
Cryan and Regina Pana-Cryan" <cryan@avana.net> | Block address
Subject: Re: [CRYAN-L] Cryan in Co Sligo and
Co Roscommon
Date: Sun, 25 Jul 1999 13:16:29 -0400 To:
CRYAN-L@rootsweb.com
Actually, I was in
Ballymote (in Sligo, not far from Boyle) a few years
ago, and it's an
actual town. (It's bigger than the place where I grew
up,but I suppose
"remote" and "lonely" are relative.) At one of the main
intersections of
that town there was a sort of general store with the
Cryanname on it.
The owner was a friendly gentleman by the name of Barkley
Cryan, who is also
an appraiser and auctioneer. FYI Roger
Tue, 27 Jul 1999
08:12:12 -0400 From: Maureen McCourt Nantista <mornan@nais.com> | Block
address Subject: [CRYAN-L] Cryans in England To: CRYAN-L@rootsweb.com
Hi Eve,Just want
to update you on the Cryan entry you sent me from the 1881
Censusof Little
Lever, Lancashire, England.
Michael CRYAN aged
50 born Roscommon
Mary aged 53 born
Roscommon
Peter aged 20 born
Roscommon
Patrick aged 18
born Roscommon
John aged 15 born
Roscommon
Catherine aged 12
born Roscommon
I ordered the LDS
microfiche of the 1991 Census for the area, but the
family was no
longer there. Of course one or both of the parents might
havedied during
the ten year interval and the children married and/or moved
away.I do feel
that they are my family. When I'm over in London this
SeptemberI'll
check the birth, marriage and death indexes in the hopes of
tracingthem and
perhaps locating some descendants. Will keep you informed of
theresults.Thanks
again.Maureen McCourt NantistaHuntington, NY
From: "Michael
Tobin" <tobinmi@hotmail.com> | Block address
Subject: Re: [CRYAN-L] Cryan in Co Sligo and
Co Roscommon
Date: Wed, 28 Jul 1999 18:54:05 PDT To:
CRYAN-L@rootsweb.com
Its being a while
since I contbibuted to the discussion here. Just a
small comment on
Ballymote. Depending on how you travel to it, it may seem
very remote, but
as far as Co. Sligo goes, its one of the four largest towns
in Co. Sligo - the
4 being Sligo, Ballymote, Tubbercurry and Coolooney,
probably in that
order. From a Sligo perspective, its far from remote,
being possibly the
2nd largest town in the county. From a large city
perspective, it
probably is remote. In fact, if you live in Dublin, everywhere in
Ireland is remote
compared to Dublin!!
As Roger says, its
all relative. The meaning of remote to a big city
person will differ
to its meaning to a small rural area person.
I thought that the
description of it as Ballyremote was quite funny -
me being from a
smaller area approx. 8 miles from Bally'remote', its
amusing to think
that our 'urban' neigbours are still remote.
Roger, I wonder
could you have got the name of the Cryan auctioneer
wrong - a
second-cousin once removed of mine, whose name was Casey-Cryan rather
than
Barkley-Cryan, had both a shop and auctioneer's business in Ballymote
town until
recently.regardsMichael
Reply-to: "Family History" < >
From: "Family History" < > |
Block address
Date: Thu, 29 Jul 1999 08:55:48 +0100
Organization: Family Spackman
Subject: [CRYAN-L] Re Cryan in Co Sligo To:
CRYAN-L@rootsweb.com
Yes, the description
"remote" depends on what your description of what
isnot remote. My
brother had driven from another part of Ireland and
reachedSligo and
then found another distance of about 10 miles to go, to what
seemed a lonely
little town with nobody about. By car 10 miles is not
far,but having
lived in the past, in a tiny isolated village 10 miles from
Cambridge, in
England it can make one very "remote" when there is not
muchbetween. I do
know that it can not compare with distances in the USA or
inAustralia or
even NZ.. Having visited Ireland in the past I found that
itwas fairly
common to go huge distances to a party or a dance.
You may be interested that someone gave to my
brother the local,
Ballymote,phone
book/directory/ guide. In it there are about 6 Cryan phone
subscribers. One
is "Bartley Cryan"- auctioneer and merchant ( Bartley
as aname occurs
periodically way back in the registers, I think that it may
be
acorruption/diminutive of Bartholemew which is a bit of a mouthful)
Another
advertisment is for Mary Rose Cryan who I think (my brother
took thephone book
away with him) sold cards and gifts.
My brother then
went on to Keash where he was entertained by "the local
historian"....meaning
given hospitality, and had a very pleasant
afternoon.Eve
Thu, 29 Jul 1999
08:19:02 -0400 From: Maureen McCourt Nantista <mornan@nais.com> | Block
address Subject: [CRYAN-L] Re. Cryans in England To: CRYAN-L@rootsweb.com
Eve,Again very
much appreciate the work you're doing!
You've saved me
hours of valuable research time in London.
Am going to order
6 of the certs. (at 8 pounds each - especially if
they'renot the
right ones - I can see how tracing this line forward could be
quitecostly).
Hopefully they'll arrive before my departure September 15.
>do let me know
when you are coming to England....who knows I
>may be
around.Will be spending a few days in London upon my arrival September 16,
thenhead north and
into Scotland- returning again before my departure
October7. My UK
itinerary is somewhat flexible and open to change if, by some
stroke of good
fortune, I'm able to locate some relatives.
Thanks
again.Maureen
From: "Roger
Cryan and Regina Pana-Cryan" <cryan@avana.net> | Block address
Subject: Re: [CRYAN-L] Cryan in Co Sligo and
Co Roscommon
Date: Sat, 31 Jul 1999 10:16:07 -0400 To:
CRYAN-L@rootsweb.com
Michael, I'm quite
sure his name was Barkley Cryan, although I don't remember
thename of his
son, who was running the store. (This was in 1997.) I
have acopy of his
letterhead, which reads: "Cryan & Co. M.I.A.V.I.;
Auctioneersand
Valuers; Ballymote, Co. Sligo; Tel: 071 - 83316" Roger Cryan
Date: Fri, 6 Aug 1999 06:49:31 -0700 (PDT)
From: Caoimhghin O Croidheain
<caoimhghin@yahoo.com> | Block address
Subject: [CRYAN-L] Roscommon Cryan graves
To: CRYAN-L@rootsweb.com
Hiinfo from fotos
I took in Ardcarne and Drumlion cemeteries
Also if anyone can
help me with Charles Cryan who died last year ie
anyone who will be
in the death records office in London - I would
appreciate it.I
have photos of the following gravestones :-
Drumlion Cemetery
(The main Cryan cemetery in this area)
In Loving Memory
of Bridget Cryan, Carrowreagh. Died 9th Feb. 1962.
Her Daughter
Josephine Clapp, d. 3rd March 1967.
Sacred heart of
Jesus have mercy on the soul of Bridie Cryan
Carrowreagh, d.
8-2-1992. aged 88
In loving memory
of William Cryan, Bridge St., Carick-on-Shannon. d.
20-6-1989. aged
71.
In Loving Memory
of John Cryan, Lakeview, Carrowreagh, d. 13-11-1970.
His wife Delia. d.
15-9-1982.
In Loving Memory
of Patricia Cryan, Croghan Rd., d. 13 June 1987. aged
50.
Ardcarne Cemetery
In Loving Memory
of John Cryan who died 1935? his wife Eleanor Mary who
died 1950? their
son John E. who died in 1979. (a little unclear)
Marcella Cryan,
Carrick road d. 10-9-1987.
From:
Fatarm@aol.com | Block address Date:
Mon, 9 Aug 1999 00:13:12 EDT Subject:
[CRYAN-L] One Year Anniversary and a Creeggan (Canadian) To:
CRYAN-L@rootsweb.com
Congrats to us!
We're still on the topic after one full year! And
although we've
only had a few distant cousins find one another, I for one feel
as though I've
learned a tremendous amount. Thank you all for sharing ...
I read in the
Washington Post about a Canadian band (rock) with a
member named Jim
Creeggan. That's a first for that spelling, no? He's a
member of
"The Barenaked Ladies."On a personal note, I'm finally in my house,
and I'm never, EVER movingever, EVER again. I may never even leave my house.
Well, okay, I'll leave
it to visit
Ireland! ... and to do research after the school year begins.
My new home raises
2 questions: (1) is it true that "everyone" in
Ireland is devoted
to the 'Sacred Heart'; and (2) has there ever been a drought in
Ireland?Hope
everyone is enjoying lovely weather (but we could use some rain
desperately),
Leslie
Date: Mon, 9 Aug 1999 10:31:37 -0500 From:
Jill DeVito <jill.devito@angelo.edu> | Block address Subject: Re:
[CRYAN-L] One Year Anniversary and a Creeggan (Canadian)
To: CRYAN-L@rootsweb.com
Speaking of rock
bands and genealogy, I thought I might share a
genealogical
discovery of mine...A few months ago, while researching my Ultican line (they
immigrated
fromCavan County,
Ireland to New Brunswick, Canada) I found a distant
cousinonline who
had done a considerable amount of work with the recent
branchesof the
Ultican tree. According to her research, I am a distant cousin
toKurt Cobain, who
was the lead singer of the band Nirvana in the Seattle
area.It was a
little anticlimactic to find I was related to someone famous a
fewyears _after_
he took his own life... But it was a pretty exciting
discovery anyway.
You never know who you might find yourself related
to!JillAngelo
State UniversityBiology DepartmentSan Angelo, TX 76909
(915) 942-2189
ext.238
(915) 942-2184 fax
From:
"jmitchell" <jmitchell@ameritech.net> | Block address Date:
Mon, 9 Aug 1999 11:46:51 -0400 Subject: [CRYAN-L] Another musical CREGAN To:
CRYAN-L@rootsweb.com
Jim Cregan:
http://farmdogs.com/jim.html
http://members.aol.com/songforme/circle/creg.htm
Words to
"Forever Young" *sounds* like an Irish blessing!
http://www.musica.org/letras/ing1/F15998.htm
From:
"Michael Tobin" <tobinmi@hotmail.com> | Block address Subject:
Re: [CRYAN-L] One Year Anniversary and a Creeggan (Canadian) Date: Mon, 09 Aug
1999 16:38:28 PDT
To: CRYAN-L@rootsweb.com Add Addresses
LeslieGlad to hear
that you're settled in your new house.
Re your questions,
I think in previous generations there was more
devotion to the
Sacred Heart than nowadays. Most houses that I know of from my
youth in rural
Ireland, always had a Sacred Heart picture in a prominent
position on the
wall in one of the main rooms. Of course, having the picture
there doesn't mean
that they were very devout but in most cases, I think they
were. To have a
Sacred Heart picture was regarded as bringing a special
blessing on the
house.In the current under-40 generations, I don't think this devotion is as
strong - the
Catholic church has seen a fall-off in Church attendances,
etc although most
would still profess to be of the Catholic faith. But
some, including
myself, would still regard having a Sacred Heart picture in
the house as
important.
As an aside, back
in the 1970's, another very common picture to have
hanging up was a
special 3-picture frame with 3 small photo's in it - of JF
Kennedy, Pope John
(not sure which one) and I think the third 'saint' was Grace
Kelly. Maybe
someone else can confirm the identity of the 3 people, but
JFK and the Pope
were certainly 2 of the three.
Re your second
question, I have never heard of a drought in Ireland.
We've certainly
had dry spells from time to time, but to my knowledge nothing
that could ever
remotely approach being described as a drought. The last few
years in
particular have seen summer and winter merge into one extended
shower of rain
almost (a little bit of an exaggeration, but only a
little!). The last
8 weeks have been the best weather we've had in 3 or 4 years -
and even in these
8 weeks, we've had a fair bit of rain - the longest being
probably 7 or 8
days without rain. Apparantly, the rain is one of the
reasons for
Ireland having been named the Emerald Isle - the grass
stays green here
all year round.regardsMichael
From:
"Michael Tobin" <tobinmi@hotmail.com> | Block address
Date: Mon, 09 Aug 1999 16:52:25 PDT Subject:
[CRYAN-L] introduction to Cryan history
To: CRYAN-L@rootsweb.com Add Addresses
Hello folks,I am
writing up a family history of my own family and want to put a
short introduction
to the history of the Cryan name. I have used a number of
sources for this,
including some of the information posted to this
list. I would
really appreciate if you could read the following and send me any
comments on it. As
my Cryan family are from Keash, I hope to try to
firmly establish
how the Cryans came to Keash. I may need to include Boyle in
this also as they
are probably all the one bunch if you go back far enough.
Please regard the
following as a draft - its far from perfect but its a
start. Looking
forward to any comments you can send me.
regardsMichael
The Cryan name is believed to have originated from the
old Irish
surname, O'Croidheáin which in turn is reputed to be
derived from the Irish
word 'croi' meaning heart. Variants of the name
include O'Crean, O'Cregan,
Crean and Crehan.
O'Rorke, in his history of Sligo, sets out some early
history on the
O'Crean family of Sligo. O'Rorke speculates that the
family came to
Sligo from Donegal "towards the close of the
fifteenth century" and indicates
that the family became "the most distinguished
family then in the place
after that of the O'Connors".
The first record of the Sligo branch of the family is
to a Cormac
O'Crean. Cormac is buried in an impressive family
tombstone in the Dominican
Friary in Sligo town (also known as Sligo Abbey). The
Abbey was founded in
1252 approximately. According to a booklet produced by
the Stationery
Office, "The earliest dated monument is the
O'Craian or Crean tomb of 1506 in a
recess in the north wall of the nave, just west of the
rood-screen.
....The Latin inscription, along the upper margin of
the top slab of the tomb
chest, is incomplete, but the date (1506) and the name
Cormac O'Craian can be
read".Interestingly, the only other comparable
tomb in the Abbey belongs to
the O'Connor Sligo family, supporting O'Rorke's
assertion that the O'Craian
family were a very wealthy family of that time. It can
reasonably be assumed that they made large financial
contributions to
the upkeep of the Abbey and the friars, and that the
friars expressed their
gratitude by allowing the family to build such a fine
tombstone.
The same tombstone has further inscriptions, one of
which "dated 1616,
is built into the recess of the O'Craian tomb ... The
initials A.C. and
E.F. seem to be those of Andrew Crean and his
wife".
O'Rorke notes that the Annals of the Four Masters
record the death of
Henry O'Crean in the year 1572, "a rich and
affluent merchant of Lower
Connaught" and also refers to an "Andrew
Crean, or O'Crean,
who from Prior of Sligo, became Bishop of
Elphin". The Bishop is
recorded as having been granted a fee of 12d a day for
life in 1547 by Henry VIII.
O'Rorke comments on the "dubious" nature of
this
transaction - with Henry VIII being infamous for his
split with the
Roman Catholic Church.
In O'Rorke's history, he also records that "the
O'Creans were not long
in Sligo when they began to invest money in land; and
before many years
had passed, they held landed estate not only near the
town, but in various
other parts of the country. Andrew O'Crean of Annagh,
or Hazelwood and much
of the parishes of Carbury and St. John, in the barony
of Carbury, but
also considerable stretches of land in Leyney,
Tereragh, and Coolavin, as
well as the abbey of Ballindoon, in the barony of
Tirerrill". This may be the
Andrew who was buried in 1616 in Sligo Abbey although
O'Rorke suggests
that he died in 1641.
The name Andrew appears to have been a very common
name in the Crean
family of this era. An Andrew Creane, Merchant and a
John Creane, Gent are
noted as burgesses in 'Sligoe' on March 21 1687.
Burgess was a term used to
describe a member of parliament for a borough , town
or university.
Liam Swords, in his History of the Diocese of Achonry,
indicates that
the O'Crean family lost much of their property as a
result of the 1641
rebellion - i.e. the rebellion which resulted in the
subjugation of the country
by Oliver Cromwell and the subsequent reallocation of
lands. It is unclear
whether the family were relocated to other lands.
However, it is not
beyond belief that they were resettled to the general
area from Boyle to
Ballymote as that certainly appears to be the main
area from where bearers of the
Cryan name have come since 1800.
Judging by its absense from the limited records prior
to the 1700's and
its frequent use in the the early Church and Civil
record of the 1800's, it
is reasonable to assume that spelling of the name as
Cryan
commenced in the 1700's. During this period, the
population were slowly
becoming more educated, with more people learning to
read and write.
Perhaps they wrote down the name Crean as they
pronouce it and
ended up with "Cryan". Although this is
questionable given that the
letter "y" is not part of the Irish language
which was still widely used
during the 1700's. Hopefully as this research
progresses, the origination of the
spelling of the name will become clear.
Returning to the general Boyle-Ballymote area, judging
from the
frequency with which the name occurs in the 1800's and
1900's compared to other
parts of the country and taking account of other
people whom I have
encountered tracing their Cryan relatives from that
area, this area is most
certainly the home of the name for at least 200 years
and probably much longer.
Parish of Keash
Whatever about the
origins of the name generally, the parish of Keash
was home to many
many Cryan familes down through the years.
The Griffith's
Valuation of the 1850's lists the following Cryans as
occupiers of land
in each townland :-
Parish Townland Cryan Families
Drumrat Linconwy a) Martin
Toomour Tonaponra a) Matthew
Tully a) Daniel
Brougher a) Patrick;
b) Roger;
c) Bridget, Patrick,
Mary, Patrick, James, James;
d) Martin
Carrowcrory a) Daniel;
b) John (Naples);
c) Thomas;
d) John, James;
e) Michael, Michael, Patrick;
f) John
Derrygolagh a) Matthew Cryan;
b) Thomas;
c) James (Strong);
d) Thomas;
e) Patrick (Gildea);
f) James (Jack);
g)Patrick (Ruadh);
h) Martin
Carrowreagh a) Martin
Toomour a) Michael
Dernaskeagh a) Matthew
The above lists 24
separate individuals or groups of Cryans. Where
names are grouped,
this reflects that they are listed in a group in Griffith's.
I'm not 100% sure
why this is so, but most likely they are the one family.
It is not possible
to determine from Griffith's whether the same name may be
listed twice for
different townlands, but the total of 24 is reasonably
accurate for the
townlands listed.
Also, currently
the above list of townlands is incomplete, so more
families may have
resided elsewhere in the parish. Note that in the above
parishes, the name
is spelt exclusively as Cryan - there is no other variation
such as Crean in
the records.
Date: Tue, 10 Aug
1999 09:43:24 -0700 (PDT) From: Caoimhghin O Croidheain
<caoimhghin@yahoo.com> | Block address Subject: [CRYAN] Re: [CRYAN-L]
introduction to Cryan history To: CRYAN-L@rootsweb.com Add Addresses
Dear Michael
croidhe is now croi(fada on i)heart
'an' (fada on a)
means 'noble' as in 'aos-an' fairies (noble people)
croidhe - ain
'noble heart' The word 'croiain' (with fada on i and a) is still in use in
Donegal as
the word for a
'gallant' or 'suitor'.I believe this is the most likely origination of the name
as
'heartlike' or
'heartthing' or 'little heart' do not refer to specific
emotional symbols
we associate with the heart.
regards caoimhghin
(caoimh-'gentle' g(h)in-'birth')
Date: Tue, 10 Aug
1999 11:17:01 -0700 (PDT) From: Caoimhghin O Croidheain
<caoimhghin@yahoo.com> | Block address Subject: [CRYAN] charles cryan To:
CRYAN-L@rootsweb.com Add Addresses
HI AS BEFORE IM
STILL TRYING TO FIND OUT ABOUT A FIRST COUSIN OF MY FATHER
, Charles CryanI
believe he died last year and the only info we have about him is that
he worked as a
manager of a pub in London I tried to find out name of
the vintners
association on the net to see if there was anyone I could
write to but to no
avail.How do I start to find out information on somebody who died in London?
Maybe his name is
on the death records by now?? That might give me some
information eg his
address at death, a friend, which hospital he was
admitted to
etcMaybe a list of hospitals will give me his name??
Any ideas anybody?
I would appreciate any help in this modern
genealogical
mystery!!!regardscaoimhghinps He has a sister but they didnt communicate - that
is why I have nocontacts to go by.
From: Paul Cryan
<paul@sdiuk.com> | Block address To: 'Caoimhghin O Croidheain'
<caoimhghin@yahoo.com> Subject: RE: [CRYAN] charles cryan Date:
Wed, 11 Aug 1999 08:51:34 +0100 Add Addresses
Dear
Caoimhghin,The telephone number of the Vintner's Association in London is ++44
171
2361863, Births
and Deaths are registered at St. Catherine's House,
Kingsway, London,
WC2. Hope this is of some help.
Kind Regards
From: Paul Cryan
<paul@sdiuk.com> | Block address To: 'Caoimhghin O Croidheain'
<caoimhghin@yahoo.com> Subject: RE: [CRYAN] charles cryan Date: Thu, 12
Aug 1999 12:12:18 +0100 Add Addresses
Hi Again,Just
spoke to a guy at the Vintners Assoc., Vintner's Hall, Upper
ThamesStreet,
London, EC4V 3VJ who said that they will have records only of
their members, not
publicans, but the guy on the phone was very
helpful,and also
gave me the address of the Brewer's Company at Brewer's Hall,
Aldermanbury
Square, EC2V 7HR, or Distiller's Co., 71 Lincoln's Inn
Fields, London,
WC2A 3JF Regards Paul
From:
"jmitchell" <jmitchell@ameritech.net> | Block address Date:
Thu, 12 Aug 1999 19:43:40 -0400 Subject: [CRYAN] 3 CROGHANS from Roscommon To:
CRYAN-L@rootsweb.com Add Addresses
DATE SHIP TO FROM
WHO AGE ORIGIN
1847/09/19,,ROSCIUS,New
York via Liverpool,CROGHAN,John,,24,,Co.
Roscommon
1847/09/19,,ROSCIUS,New
York via Liverpool,CROGHAN,Margaret,,26,,Co.
Roscommon
1847/09/19,,ROSCIUS,New
York via Liverpool,CROGHAN,Patrick,,28,,Co.
Roscommon
>From
http://www.rootsweb.com/~irish/passlist/5800list.htm#B
Hope this helps
someone.
Jo
jmitchell@ameritech.net
http://homepages.rootsweb.com/~cregan/index.htm
http://cgi.rootsweb.com/~genbbs/genbbs.cgi/FamilyAssoc/Cregan
From: "Michael Tobin" <tobinmi@hotmail.com>
| Block address Date: Mon, 16 Aug 1999 16:50:11 PDT Subject: [CRYAN] more early
Cryan records To: CRYAN-L@rootsweb.com
Some more
information I came across in a library recently :-
"The Compossicion Booke of Conought", 1585.
This was a survey
of the size of all townlands in Connacht, undertaken
during the reign
of Elizabeth I. It lists the names of the townlands
and their size in
"qrs". I'm not sure what measurement this is as it seems
to be far greater
than acres.
>From a Cryan
perspective, the interesting piece of information is at
the start of the
part on Sligo where it lists 16 people who supplied the
information for
the survey on oath. The 16 all seem to be from
prominent familes
and are perhaps the heads of their families. The 16 include
"William
O'Crean" of Sligo.
Second piece of
information, from the Donovan Letters. These were
letters written
during the time of the Ordance Survey in 1836. I believe they
cover the entire
country.
For the parish of
'Toomower' (now part of Keash and more commonly
spelled as Toomour
but pronounced Toomower), it has 2 pages of information. It
lists the
principal family names in the parish as Harts, Henrys, Mc
Donoughts,
Scanlans, O'Conors, Killorans, Crynes and Keeltys. The precise text for
the reference to
Crynes is
"Crynes Clann Chréín S. a Chréín.
(Crines) (ei like ei in feill in Leath Mhogha)"
Later in the same
2 pages of information, it says "In the townland of
Temple-a-vanny
(Teampull a Mhanaigh) are the ruins of an old Church or
Monastery called
Teampull a Mhanaigh from which the townland is named.
It is said to have
been built by Manach Ruadh who (my informant believed) was
of the family of
the Crynes (Crines). They say it was a 'monk-house'
belonging to the
Abbey of Boyle, and that the Monks had the estate as a grant
from the family of
the Kings, ancestors to Lord Lorton. It was called Dúithche
(Dúthaigh) na
Manach."
From:
Fatarm@aol.com | Block address Date: Sat, 21 Aug 1999 21:06:35 EDT
Subject: [CRYAN] More on Croghan (I sent that
last one a bit too early) To: CRYAN-L@rootsweb.com Add Addresses
> -----Original
Message-----
> From: mlutz
[mailto:mlutz@airnet.net]
> Sent:
Saturday, July 24, 1999 10:05 AM
> To:
ROSCOMMON-L@rootsweb.com
> Subject:
CROGHAN-DENIGAN
>>>
Family legend stresses that Patrick Croghan came from County
Roscommon,>
Ireland. The LDS records have a lot of CROGHANS and DENIGANS shown
as> being in
Parish Kilbride. Another list shows that Parish Kilbride is
in> County
Antrim.>> Could anyone tell me where Corbohill, Carnalasson, and
Carrowgloher
are?> I have
reason to believe that the CROGHAN family lived in the Four
Mile> House
area in County Roscommon.>> Any information that anyone could provide
about these two names wouldbe most welcome.>> Thanks,>> Mary
>
From: Fatarm@aol.com
| Block address Date: Tue, 14 Sep 1999 13:59:11 EDT
Subject: [CRYAN] Corrected List of webpages of
subscribers To:
CRYAN-L@rootsweb.com
Yesterday's
posting had errors. Please note the corrections or replaceyesterday's message
with today's!
www.geocities.com/heartland/ranch/2926
www.inch.com/~amethyst/idxc.htm
or www.inch.com/~amethyst/family.htm
genforum.familytreemaker.com/new.html
http://members.tripod.com/~havana_2/index.html
(main page) and (for
additional pages)
http://members.tripod.com/~havana_2/index-2.html and /index-3.html
www.geocities.com/heartland/woods/6036/index.html
and
www.angelfire.com/ma.evitaeap/index.html
http://www.computerworld.com/home/print.nsf/all/9810126E1A
www.geocities.com/soho/square/3038/index.html
www.geocities.com/heartland/ranch/2926
http://homepages.rootsweb.com/~cregan/index.htm
and
http://cgi.rootsweb.com/~genbbs/genbbs.cgi/FamilyAssoc/Cregan
(completely
omitted yesterday)
From: ljstandak@webtv.net (Lyle Staehnke) |
Block address Date: Tue, 14 Sep 1999 14:28:43 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [CRYAN]
RE:Cryan To: CRYAN-L@rootsweb.com
I don`t recall if
I sent this out before, Some Miscelaneous Info about
the Cryan
family.Maybe it will help some One.Its all jammed together as
you can see!
MISC CRYAN
Cryan Family Of
Boyle, Co. Roscommon [ Follow Ups ] [ The
Leitrim-Roscommon
Bulletin Board ] [ FAQ ] Posted by Maureen McCourt
Nantista on May
02, 1997 at 01:00:06: Am interested in hearing from
anyone with
information concerning the Cryans of
Boyle Parish. My own
family is as follows:
1. Peter CRYAN (abt 1798) sp. Araeta MATTIMOE
(abt1798) 2.
Catherine CRYAN (1823) 2. Peter CRYAN (1824) 2. Michael CRYAN
(1826) sp. Mary
DURR (1828) 3. Mary Ann CRYAN (1853) ? sp. James
BRENNAN
(1853) 3. Michael
CRYAN (1855-1933) sp. Bridget CASEY (1855-1917) 4.
Michael J. CRYAN
(1881-1961) 4. Jane CRYAN (1882-1951) sp- Michael
CUNNINGHAM(1881-1962)
4. John CRYAN (1884-1929) sp. Sarah MCINTOSH
(1889-1967) 4.
Bridget CRYAN (1885-1963) sp. James SCANLON (?-1973) 4.
Patrick Joseph
CRYAN (1887-1917) sp. Julia GAINE (1894) 4. Mary Anne
CRYAN (1888-1894)
4. Peter CRYAN (1890-1917) 4. Catherine CRYAN
(1892-1911) 4.
Eugene CRYAN (1894-1913) 4. Francis Joseph CRYAN
(1897-1960) 4. Leo
Augustine CRYAN (1899-1981) 3. Elizabeth CRYAN
(1857)
3. Peter CRYAN
(1860) 3. Patrick CRYAN (1862) 3. John CRYAN (1864) 3.
John CRYAN (1866)
The family lived in Deerpark and Boyle. Michael CRYAN
(1855-1933) was
well known and steward of the Catholic Club. His sons
Michael J.,
Francis and Leo formed the popular Boyle Havana Band. Leo
was also the govt.
insurance agent in Boyle. In addition to CRYAN
relatives I would
like to learn of any DURR or CASEY cousins of this
family. Will
supply additional information to anyone interested. Thank
you and good luck
to all reading this. Follow Ups: [ Follow Ups ] [ The
Leitrim-Roscommon
Bulletin Board ] [ FAQ ]
The National
Archives of Ireland Search results Found 2 records
matchingcryan.
Printing first 2 of 2 records. The document reference in each
entry below is the
National Archives of Ireland reference to the
original document
in the archives. The microfilm reference number
refersto the set
of microfilms presented to Australia in 1988. Record 1 of 2
SURNAME: CRYAN
OTHER NAMES: JOHN AGE: 28 SEX: M ALIAS: PLACE OF TRIAL:
Co. Sligo TRIAL
DATE: 20/06/1848 PLACE OF IMPRISONMENT: DOCUMENT DATE:
CRIME DESCRIPTION:
Burglary with intent SENTENCE: Transportation 7 yrs
SHIP: London
PETITIONER: RELATIONSHIP: DOCUMENT REFERENCES: TR 8, P 142
MICROFILM
REFERENCES: COMMENTS: Record 2 of 2 SURNAME: CRYAN OTHER
NAMES: JOHN AGE: 0
SEX: M ALIAS: PLACE OF TRIAL: Sligo TRIAL DATE:
20/06/1849 PLACE
OF IMPRISONMENT: kilmainham DOCUMENT DATE: 24/03/1850
CRIME DESCRIPTION:
burglary SENTENCE: transportation 7 yrs SHIP:
PETITIONER:
RELATIONSHIP: DOCUMENT REFERENCES: CRF1850misc2(2)
MICROFILMREFERENCES:
COMMENTS: Back to the Transportation Search Page Back to
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Ontario Cemetery
Finding Aid Search Results For information on the
Database Fields,
see the OCFA Field Information page. Name: CRYAN,
Annie(Clyne)
Cemetery: Avondale, Stratford (Roman Catholic sections) County:
Perth Township:
Downie Reference: PH-286-3 Name: CRYAN, David Cemetery:
Avondale,
Stratford (Roman Catholic sections) County: Perth Township:
Downie Reference:
PH-286-3 Name: CRYAN, Ellen Cemetery: St Josephs
RomanCatholic
County: Perth Township: Ellice Reference: PH-000-0 Name:
CRYAN,John Cemetery: St Josephs Roman Catholic County: Perth Township: Ellice