Reply-to: "Family History" < > From: "Family History" < > | Block address Date: Tue, 25 May 1999 10:00:49 +0100

 Organisation: Family Spackman Subject: [CRYAN-L] Re Problems To: CRYAN-L@rootsweb.comThank you to all those who wrote offering advice about lightening

affectingone's computor. Normally weather of any extreme form is not a problem

herein England.There is an old adage that "lightening does not strike twice

inthe same place" which is particularly applicable to this country. I

havenever seen anything so terrible as that recent tornado in Oklahoma.

At the moment we are sending and receiving emails and accessing the

internetvia the mouse port as it seems to be the modem port which is affected,

fortunately not the modem. We shall also eventually get an internal

modem sothat the port is not used.

However do not stop the emails coming - the turn round will just be a

littleslower.What has happened to the CRYAN list? There seem to be no

conversations.There are also several people who were sending for birth certificates

etcfollowing some information that I was able to give..........I would

love toknow what happened and whether they were the correct family members.

I now have a very large data base which I am gradually adding to, as I

search the parish records.I also have it on card indexes filed by

father'sname and by mother's name. Computor buffs will say ugh! but

ithas a great many advantages. Each card has a set of parents and their

children and of course all the relevant dates and most of the sources .

 Soit takes quite a time to match up generations. The beauty of this

system isthat one does not have to sit at a computor !!!!!!

The results of deliberations can then be put into my several computor

datasets - I have one for experimental links in addition to my main family

trees.Familytreemaker I find Ok but not nearly as flexible as a very simple ,

verycrude program that I bought in a supermaket years ago for £9.99 or

about $20called "Family Tree". It gives an adequate printed tree but not nearly

as"beautiful" as FTM. We have had considerable problems with FTMs

facility for"unmerging" which seems to damage the file and render it unusable for

anyother programs. This has been difficult as my husband has written a

veryuseful program to identify entries with similarities eg children with

thesame parents, people with the same date of birth or marriage date etc.

Thisis very useful when one transfers large amounts of data about or enters

stuff from a variety of sources.I know that there are lots of similar programs . I believe Brothers

Keeperis another popular genealogy set up.What do you all use to organise your data and what do you think of thatparticular set of programs ? What are their strong points and their

weeknesses?I look forward to your contributions. Eve


 Reply-to: "Family History" < > From: "Family History" < > | Block address Date: Wed, 26 May 1999 13:26:14 +0100

 Organisation: Family Spackman Subject: [CRYAN-L] Re a Michael and Mary CRYAN To:

If anyone has an interest in a Michael CRYAN who married Mary DURR, I

mayhave found them in another country in the late 1800s, so please mail

me, tolet me know whether you know of their later life. I have found a

Michael andMary CRYAN which seem to fit but it may just be a coincidence. Eve


Date: Wed, 26 May 1999 14:19:05 -0500 From: Jill DeVito <> | Block address Subject: [CRYAN-L] progress To:

Dear Cryan Listers,I have made some progress in tracing my Lowell Cryan line.

I had one afternoon to spend in the Lowell library and archives during

myrecent trip to the Northeast from Texas.

With Joan Ogg's help, I was able to quickly locate the death

certificatefor my g-g grandfather James Cryan (b. Roscommon) who came to Lowell in

theearly 1870's. His parents were James and Mary, who were born in

Irelandand England according to the death certificate. (Now I must figure out

which James and Mary they are!)Obituaries e-mailed to me by Karen Murphy have shown that a James andMaryof Ireland were parents to a family of Lowell Cryans including: Mary

CryanO'Flahavan, Thomas Cryan, Timothy Cryan, and John Cryan (who remained

inIreland). Unfortunately I do not have the obits handy right now, but

theybelonged to Mary and Thomas who were born in the 1840's and died by the

1920's. I believe my James may have been their brother, since his

parentsare also James and Mary, and he is listed at the same residence as

Timothyin the 1874 Lowell Directory. In addition, most of Mary Cryan

O'Flahavan'spallbearers were descendants of my James.

James was born abt. Dec 1, 1835 in Ballagherdereen, Roscommon, Ireland,

anddied July 17, 1889 in Lowell MA. (His wife was Sarah McMahon). He

wouldnot have been listed among surviving family members in the obituaries

ofMary, Thomas or Timothy because they died after he did.

Unfortunately, I was unable to find a complete obituary (listing

survivors)for James in the Lowell papers. The appropriate weeks in July 1889

weremissing from the microfilm for the Lowell Sun, and other papers only

briefly mentioned his death.So I am still seeking evidence of a direct connection between James and

theothers.I have photocopied the Cryan pages of at least 12 years worth of LowellDirectories, and will post that information as soon as I finishtranscribing it.Jill

Angelo State University

Biology Department San Angelo, TX 76909 (915) 942-2189 ext.238 (915) 942-2184 fax


 Date: Thu, 27 May 1999 08:20:59 -0700 (PDT) From: Caoimhghin O Croidheain <> | Block address Subject: [CRYAN-L] obits To:

hi saw this site in rootsweb and got following results:


topped the three million obituaries mark in early May 1999.

Congratulations to the project's founder, Denis SAVARD, to its

brains and brawn today, Walter STYLES, and to the thousands of

volunteers whose efforts have made and continue to make it grow.

Obituary Daily Times

Entries matching "cryan"

If no names are listed below here, then none were found.

Type: Keyword Matches: 1-14 of 14 Breakdown: cryan[14]

BAILEY, Bernice E "Bunny" (CRYAN); 82; Lebanon NH; Concord M;

1998-1-16; cgdbout

BAILEY, Bernice E "Bunny" (CRYAN); 82; Lebanon NH; Manchester U-L;

1998-1-16; cgdbout

CRYAN, Alberg C G; ; ; Newsday (NY); 1998-6-10; rpng

CRYAN, Gladys (HOUSE); 81; Lakeland FL; Ledger; 1997-12-13; clbates

CRYAN, Jessie May; 88; ; San Jose M-N (CA); 1999-4-29; bjw

CRYAN, John J; ; Haverhill MA; Boston Globe; 1999-2-16; cgdbout

CRYAN, John J; ; Haverhill MA; Boston Globe; 1999-2-17; cgdbout

CRYAN, M Kathleen "Kay" (MURPHY); 76; St Thomas ON; St Thomas T-J;

1999-5-18; kbutler

CRYAN, M Kathleen "Kay" (MURPHY); 76; St Thomas ON; St Thomas T-J;

1999-5-19; kbutler

KELLY-CRYAN, Joan Frances; ; metro Chicago IL; Chicago Tribune;

1996-3-17; trumbullc

PATTERSON, Harriet C (CRYAN); 69; Whitefield NH>Lower Allen Township

PA; Sentinel; 1999-3-4; wwwalton

PATTERSON, Harriet (CRYAN); 69; Harrisburg PA; Harrisburg P-N;

1999-3-4; mam

ROONEY, Regina "Jean" (CRYAN); 86; Brooklyn NY; Ridgefield P (CT);

1998-2-5; bjw



 Date: Sun, 30 May 1999 00:35:42 -0400 From: Maureen McCourt Nantista <> | Block address Subject: [CRYAN-L] Re a Michael and Mary CRYAN


Hi Eve,YES!!! I am interested in Michael and Mary (Durr) Cryan!!

They are my gg-grandparents through their son Michael (1855-1933). I've

found their marriage record of 26 July 1853 in the Boyle RC registers

andalso a possible christening for Michael in 1826 in the same registers.

The most recent records I have for them is the birth and christening of

their last (known) child, John, in 1865, again Boyle. I've been

sytematically sending for photcopies (can get costly) of all the

possibledeaths of Michaels and Marys in Ireland (thanks to Kevin Cryan's index

list) but none so far seem likely. So there is a very strongpossibilitythat they died elsewhere.Would be MOST grateful for whatever information you have.Thanks and much success with your own search.

Maureen McCourt NantistaHuntington, NY


From: "Kevin J. Crean" <> | Block address Date:

 Tue, 1 Jun 1999 13:46:15 -0400 Subject: [CRYAN-L] Census Records


While I have been reading the many e:mails that passed my way in recent

months this is my first message to the mailing list. I am fairly new

tothis so please bear with me. I fear my questions may be extremely

basic.Most of the information I have on my father's family comes from a

recentlydeceased first cousin of his. Due to my own efforts at contacting

secondcousins and other relations, both for the purpose of conducting

genealogical research and to expand the mailing list for my just

createdfamily newsletter and bi-annual reunion, I received a letter from a

secondcousin that contradicted some basic information -- the names of my

g-grandparents' nine children. This cousin, whose family remained in

Ireland, didn't directly refute the information I have been relying on,

shemerely wrote me a letter and included some information she knew, from

memory, with the result being that I must now do something I should

havedone at the very beginning. I need to verify the names of my

grandfather'seight siblings. I have his birth and baptismal certificates and

althoughhe was the youngest child in his family I am fairly certain that all of

hissiblings were born in the same parish as he. My question to the group

is:How can I best obtain the verification I seek? I am assuming that I

shouldlook for the Census records. My grandfather was born in County Sligo,

Ireland in the parish of Kilglass in 1896. So I am assuming I need to

start with the 1880 and 1890 census records. Would my local (New York

City) LDS Center have these on hand or would the micro-film rolls need

tobe ordered? Is knowing the parish and townland sufficient to find the

information in a first visit? I know my g-g parents' names and most of

their children's names are not in dispute so I should be able to

recognizethe family if I see them. I guess what I am asking is: How long

shouldthis process take? I am not looking for a quick fix, I just want to be

able to plan my trip to the LDS Center to make the best use of my

limitedtime.Thank you in advance to anyone who can assist me.

One more question: Is anyone researching the Crean line from Sligo? I

soseldom see the name even come up in e:mails that I wonder if the group

ismade up entirely of Cryans. Thanks again.


 Reply-to: "Family History" < > From: "Family History" < > | Block address Subject: Fw: [CRYAN-L] Census Records

 Date: Wed, 2 Jun 1999 13:43:25 +0100 Organisation: Family Spackman


----- Original Message -----

From: Family History < >

To: Kevin J. Crean <>

Sent: 02 June 1999 11:46

Subject: Re: [CRYAN-L] Census Records

Hi Kevin ,Sadly there are very few census records in Ireland to help you.The 1901

isthe most complete but much of the rest was destroyed in the fires of

1916.There are however other ways of getting to the information that you

wouldlike.I can not lay my hand on my book that lists all the Irish resources, at

thepresent time. I will let you know when I find it and send you anything

relevant. However, at the LDS there is a very comprehensive catalogue

ontheir computer. (you may have to book to use it).

HOWEVER on the internet you can enter the LDS Family Search site and

look attheir catalogue and it gives the film numbers for Kilglass Co Sligo

1901census and for the parish records.There are two ways of getting there from where you can access other

types of

searches as weel clicking on "Custom Search" through which you get a

listand then you click on to the catalogue title.

OR directly so you can not be side tracked

CREAN/CRYAN and all the other variants can be interchangeable the

furtherback one goes. No spelling is fixed. Looking through parish records one

finds what is obviously the same family with a different surname

spellingfor each of their children. WHY? well one explanation is that Irish

accentsvary as much as the people but the name written down depended on the

personwho heard it to write it down. This was usually the priest and after

1864the registrar (NB not all people were registered for whatever reason).

Saythe names in different accents and you will come up with a huge variety

ofspellings. Here are just a few that I have come across in the parish

registers Crane, Crion, Creyon, Krine, Crine, Cryne, Croghan, Crehen

Craheenetc.Good luck with your search Eve


Reply-to: "Family History" < > From: "Family History" < > | Block address Date: Thu, 10 Jun 1999 09:45:28 +0100

 Organisation: Family Spackman Subject: [CRYAN-L] URLs and Question


Hi all,I case there are those people who have not used the new LDS Family

Searchsite which gives access to their IGI,Ancestral File AND the LIbrary

Catalogue (so that you can look up film numbers before you visit), here

isthe URL

You may also be interested in this list of VERY kind souls who will do


Question : Having found the birth/christening of an ancestor, this then

gives the parents and if one is lucky, one may get the townland on

whichthey were living at the time, one may also get the witnesses who could

wellbe relatives; where does one go from there knowing that they have not

appeared earlier in that parish register?

I have tried different lines of investigation,so far unsuccessfully -


Please reply to the list because your suggestion my just be

appropriate tosomeone other than me, as well as me.

Thanks Eve


Reply-to: "Family History" < > From: "Family History" < > | Block address Date: Thu, 10 Jun 1999 18:04:30 +0100 Organisation: Family Spackman Subject: [CRYAN-L] CREAN


Did Kevin J Crean have any luck at the LDS. Rereading your email I do

hopethat you followed up looking at the LDS catalogue before you visited

,inorder to collect any film numbers.I do not know how much New York FHC

has onpermanent loan but there is still much to look at even if you have to

waitfor the film of the parish records.

To all our readers ... do let us know how you are getting on....and

whatdifficulties you find.I am not making progress but am concentrating on transcribing the 1901

census for the Boyle region. it is fascinating to see how few Cryans

are inthe parishes that I have done so far, on the southern fringes of the

Cryanheartland. Hopefullt there will be more as I progress.

 Interestingly one of the enumerators was J Cryan and I can hazard a

guessas to who he is !!!!! Currently I am working on Killukin, in

particularCroghan town, it should have been put up in a few weeks time so do

visit thesearchable database of the 1901 census on the Leitrim and Roscommon

website.I am sure you can find it for we have given the URL countless times.Eve


Date: Thu, 10 Jun 1999 13:05:26 -0700 (PDT) From: Caoimhghin O Croidheain <> | Block address Subject: Re: [CRYAN-L] CREAN


hi EveDo you have the url for the 1901 I am interested as my gggrandfather

(John Cryan) was the national teacher at Croghan - who do you think was

the enumerator??caoimhghin


 Date: Fri, 11 Jun 1999 02:53:25 -0700 (PDT) From: Caoimhghin O Croidheain <> | Block address Subject: [CRYAN-L] partial 1901 census for cryan


hi smae again here for layout follow the categories as they are

listed in first part - this is to show what may be found - that is why

I havent done cryan surname variations....


 The Leitrim-Roscommon

 1901 Census Search



 TownlandParishBaronyCountyDescription Head of household Surname

Head ofhouseholdGivenHead ofhouseholdOccupationOther occupants


 Ardmoyle Kilnamanagh Frenchpark Roscommon Household Cryan

 John(34) farmer/married Bridget(31) wife-Kate(5mo.)


Kingsland Kilnamanagh Frenchpark Roscommon Household Cryan

Bernard(50)  Farmer/unmarried


 Ballinvoher Kilnamanagh Frenchpark Roscommon Household Cryan

Pat(57)  Farmer/married Eliza(43) wife-Michael(20)-Bernard(19)-William(17)-Patrick(14)

  scholar-John(11 )scholar-Edward(6)scholar-Thomas(1)-Hanoria(16)

  scholar-Maggie(10) scholar-Sarah(7)scholar-Molly(5) scholar


Lisduff Tisrara Athlone Roscommon Household Cryan

Patrick(41)  farmerMaggie(37)-Kate(15)-Thomas(13)-Bridget(11)-Jane(9)-Mary

  Ann(8)-Eleria(4)-Jane(83) mother


Ballyfinegan Ballintober Castlerea Roscommon Household Cryan

 Mary(62)  farmer Elizabeth(28)


Ballyfinegan Ballintober Castlerea Roscommon Household Cryan

James(33)  farmer



Knockalaghta/Sandford Ballintober Castlerea Roscommon Household

 Cryan John(60)  shepherd



 Lissalway Baslick Castlerea Roscommon Household

 Cryan James(72)  farmer

 Mary(43) wife-Maria(17)-James(14)-Michael(12)-Ellen(9)-Thomas(6)-Martin(4)


 Knockalegan West Baslick Castlerea Roscommon Household

 Cryan Thomas(60)  labourer


 Carnakit Baslick Castlerea Roscommon Household

 Cryan Mary(75)  Anne(40)-Owen(38)

shepherd-Jane(34)-Patrick(32)-Mary Kate(16) gd-Annie(8) gd-Sarah(4) gd


Ballaghaderreen T. Kilcolman Costello Roscommon Other

 CryanMartin(18)  apprentice


 Creggane Kilcolman Costello Roscommon Household

 CryanMartin(58) farmer Catherine(56)-Peter(13)-Thomas(11)-Patrick

  McGarry(80)visitor-Michael Cregg(55)serv.


 Lung Castlemore Costello Roscommon Household

 Cryan Dominick(75)  shepherd  Mary(60)-Catherine(35)teacher-Lizzie(19)-James

  Broderick(28)boarder-John Machaffrey(20)boarder


 Cloonbard Baslick Castlerea Roscommon Household Cryanes

 Ellen(41)  farmer  John(17)-Michael(15)


 14 Total Matches

 Please forward any questions or comments regarding the census data to

Roger McDonnell at


 Date: Fri, 11 Jun 1999 09:52:27 -0500 From: Jill DeVito <> | Block address Subject: [CRYAN-L] St. Patrick's Cemetery (Lowell) burial records


St. Patrick's Cemetery Burial Records thru 1998;

I have re-arranged the alphabetical list by Yard and Lot:

Location age burial appx birth my notes

Yard 3, Lot 21

Sarah A 29 1/17/09 b abt 1880

John J 0 2/14/01

Margaret 0 11/25/04


Yard 4, Lot 23

James 56 12/18/20b abt 1864 son of James Cryan 1835-1889

Bridget 80 1/7/49 b abt 1869 daughter of James

Katherine F 84 2/11/57 b abt 1873 daughter of James

John P 65 1/26/40 b abt 1875 is this "nephew John" ofcensus?

Sarah B 71 7/14/11 b abt 1840 S. McMahon, wife of James Cryan

Elizabeth 6 11/11/11b abt 1905 whose daughter is Elizabeth?

Robert W 29 6/26/56 b abt 1927 (Korean War?) who is Robert?


Yard 4, Lot 26

Harriet V 79 4/30/54 b abt 1875

Vincent 0 4/24/23 b 1923


Yard 5B, Lot 2

Thomas 74 3/28/37 b abt 1863

Julia M 60 6/5/25 b abt 1865


Yard 5B, Lot 14

John 64 2/5/39 b 1874 son of James Cryan 1835-1889

Anna G 50 4/6/36 b 1884 wife of John

James Y 81 2/2/90 b 1908 James U., son of John & Anna

Mary K 86 1/8/96 b 1909 Mary K. Cassidy, wife of James

Thomas 23 6/18/49 b 1920 son of John & Anna, KIA WWII


Yard 5B, Lot 31

Thomas E 62 9/16/34 b abt 1872

Delia 79 6/25/54 b abt 1875

Bridget 0 11/11/94b 1894 (?)

Gertrude 3 10/28/99b abt 1896

Madeline 84 12/22/92b abt 1908


Yard 5B, Lot 33

James J 35 10/22/09b abt 1874

Mary A 49 9/14/24 b abt 1875


Yard 5B, Lot 31

Nellie 2 8/24/07 b abt 1905

Rosemary A 85 12/22/79b abt 1894

Mary E 0 2/26/94


Yard 5C, Lot 8

Annie M 62 6/30/16 b abt 1854 wife of Thomas (?)

Thomas 65 4/15/10 b abt 1855 brother of James Cryan


Annie G 92 11/22/72b abt 1880 Annie J. McGuane; wife of Alec

James J 27 11/18/08b abt 1881 son of Thomas & Annie (?)

Alexander T 75 3/27/56 b abt 1881 son of James Cryan 1835-1889


Yard 5D, Lot 3

Michael 50 6/9/99 b abt 1849 possibly brother to James Cryan

Bridget 73 12/20/21b abt 1858 wife of Michael

Bridget 75 1/16/48 b abt 1873 daughter of Michael

Annie 47 11/13/22b abt 1875 daughter of Michael

Margaret 82 9/15/59 b abt 1877 daughter of Michael

Nellie 58 9/27/39 b abt 1881 daughter of Michael

Michael 28 5/8/11 b abt 1883 son of Michael

James 55 1/27/39 b abt 1884 son of Michael

Nora E 52 9/3/38 b abt 1886 daughter of Michael


Yard 5D, Lot 17

Margaret A 68 2/13/34 b abt 1866


Yard 5E, Yard 40

Mary 73 8/1/02 b abt 1829 wife of Michael Cryan

Edward J 83 5/22/45 b abt 1862 son of Mary

Annie 75 8/14/43 b abt 1868 daughter of Mary

Mary 95 9/22/83 b abt 1888 daughter of Mary


Yard 6, Lot 6

Margaret M 82 4/28/47 b abt 1865

Martin 61 3/31/36 b abt 1875

Mary E 25 2/4/20 b abt 1895

John 59 11/18/54b abt 1895

James 65 6/28/66 b abt 1901

Katherine 12 3/29/28 b abt 1916


Yard 6, Lot 25

Bridget 70 11/20/12b abt 1842

Hannah 56 8/17/20 b abt 1864

Annie 88 11/21/62b abt 1874


Yard 6, Lot 64

Mary 56 2/20/25 b abt 1869


Yard --, Lot 63A

John J 74 2/4/75 b abt 1901

Irene 68 3/24/75 b abt 1907


Yard --, Lot 107

Timothy 52 5/8/70 b abt 1918 son of Alexander T. Cryan

Rita M 12 11/2/35 b abt 1923 wife of Timothy (?)


Yard --, Lot 487

Thomas E 52 5/26/52 b abt 1900


Yard --, Lot 698

Joseph F 72 12/26/56b abt 1884

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 From: | Block address Date: Sat, 12 Jun 1999 12:12:29 EDT

 Subject: [CRYAN-L] What do you want to find? To:

I was immediately reminded by Eve's question, of one recently asked of

me by a (suspicious) elderly aunt: what was it I was looking for? Now while

my aunt was probably wondering what I wanted to know that either (a) she

couldn't tell me, or (b) was none of my business, it's a good question

to ask at those points when you're breathing inbetween research.

If you've hit a wall, i.e., you've got the parents' names but no other

records are forthcoming, do you want to trace all their descendants?

Do you want to learn more about the community they lived in? The

times/history of the era? Their siblings or only up-the-tree (so to speak) to their

parents? Their occupations?And of course, implied in the question is, 'why?' do you want to know?

I'm not throwing this out as my aunt did, in a sort of challenging way.

I'd like to know ... sometimes defining the question points to the path to

follow to get to the answer.

Personally, I want to know all of those things (that's why those are

the questions that occurred to me). I also want to develop a sense of

family -- not just, it's a rare name but we all come from Roscommon (see the

fallacies that start to fall with a few good questions!) ...

I'd love to know what questions you're seeking the answers to -- maybe

I can add them to my list!!! -Leslie


From: | Block address Date: Sat, 12 Jun 1999 12:16:18 EDT

 Subject: [CRYAN-L] Cregon Obit To:

In a small town like Washington, one never expects to find an obit for

the list in the daily paper -- but my nearly-5 month vigilance paid off

today. Is anyone on the list currently researching this spelling in

particular? - Leslie

- - - - -

The Washington Post, June 12, 1999, p. B6 Cregon, Jon Patrick

On Wednesday, June 9, 1999, in Palm Bay, FL formerly of Shady Side, MD.

 [There's still family in the area apparently.]


Reply-to: "Family History" < > From: "Family History" < > | Block address To: "Caoimhghin O Croidheain" <> Subject: Re: [CRYAN-L] CREAN reply

 Date: Sun, 13 Jun 1999 12:46:51 +0100

 Organisation: Family Spackman

hi EveDo you have the url for the 1901 I am interested as my gggrandfather

(John Cryan) was the national teacher at Croghan - who do you think was

the enumerator??

Re the 1901 census - each household is on a form which has been filled

in bythe head of the house, if they can write or the enumerator, if not.

Thus onesees the writing and signature of those people. I have come across

CroghanNational School no2 which is not Cryans, so I will have to wait and see

whether Croghan NS no1 signature tallies with that of the enumerator

but Isuspect that your John may be the enumerator.....however there are so

manyJohn Cryans that I can not guarantee it.I am about 2/3 of the way down the film of Boyle area and have 2 morefilmsto go and the townlands do not always occur in a sequence........ so

youwill have to be patient , as there are only 2 of us doing the whole of

Roscommon. Roger McDonnell has done the majority of the work himself.

Am in a hurry , will write again Eve


Reply-to: "Family History" < > From: "Family History" < > | Block address To: "Caoimhghin O Croidheain" <> Subject: ps Date: Sun, 13 Jun 1999 13:22:06 +0100 Organisation: Family SpackmanHi again,

Re 1901 census, your John Cryan was married in 1858 at which time he

wasover 21and most probably over 25, so he was born at the latest in 1837, so his

youngest age in 1901 would be 64 and he was probably older, then

wouldn't hebe retired in 1901.?

He would then not be living in the schoolhouse. We shall have to await

results.Of his parentage I have some possibilites my favoured are

a) John CRYAN and Mary HARRINGTON (of Boyle RC)which give their son

Johnborn in 1835(ie 23 at marriage and 71 at death)

andb) John CRYAN and Mary CLARK (of Boyle RC) whose son John was born in

1824(ie 34 on marriage,82 at death)but these are only the ones that I have picked out there could be

others........these are suggestions only. But what do you think ? Untilagain Eve


Date: Sun, 13 Jun 1999 16:11:29 -0500 From: Jill DeVito <> | Block address Subject: [CRYAN-L] location of St. Pat's Cem To:

Sorry I forgot to be more specific.St. Patrick's Cemetery is located in Lowell, Middlesex Co.Massachussetts  Angelo State UniversityBiology DepartmentSan Angelo, TX 76909 (915) 942-2189 ext.238  (915) 942-2184 fax


 Reply-to: "Family History" < > From: "Family History" < > | Block address To: "Caoimhghin O Croidheain" <> Subject: Re: ps Date:

 Wed, 16 Jun 1999 10:29:28 +0100 Organisation:

 Family SpackmanHi,

The reason I had for putting forward the two names that I gave was that

thetwo eldest children of John and Margaret Dolan were Mary (Jane ) and

John.I will investigate the Drurys as far as I can because you think that

theymay be cousins - they could still be cousins by a sister of John Cryan

or asister of Margaet Dolan marrying a Drury. On the other hand Michael

Drurycould be just a "very best friend" of the groom.

Until again, EvePS again, what year did John Cryan die and how old was he reported to

be -that should give roughly the year of birth.


----- Original Message -----

From: Caoimhghin O Croidheain <>

To: Family History < >

Sent: 15 June 1999 17:49Subject: Re: ps

hiThanks for the suggestions. I dont have my material with me but I think

it was in the Ccroghan parish there was a j cryan who married a

catherine Drury in 1829 (The best man at my gggrandfathers wedding was

a maichael drury...) Also the first 2 sons were born in croghan and the

the third ,john , was born in Boyle ( my gggrandfather lived in croghan

) what do you think??kevinps i will have to try and send those attachments again


From: "Roger Cryan and Regina Pana-Cryan" <> | Block address

 Date: Fri, 18 Jun 1999 12:39:17 -0400 Subject: [CRYAN-L] Re: "The Irish Countryman"


To Patrick et al., The book is "The Irish Countryman" by Conrad Arensberg. It was

originallypublished in 1937 by Macmillan Company; a revised and expanded edition

waspublished in 1968 by Natural History Press for American Museum Science

Books. A 1959 edition seems to be simply a reprint of the 1937 book.

 The Library of Congress Catalog Card Number is 68-13630

 The ISBN on the inexpensive paperback (1968) edition I have is

0-385-09075-7. The book was especially enlightening regarding the family relationship

inthe Irish countryside. Arensberg did his fieldwork in Couny Clare, but

Ithink his work is relevant for those of us interested in other western

counties, as well. I found it for sale at both of these used book brokering sites: (there was a $2.00 and a $3.75 copy of the 1968


 Have fun, Roger----------

> From: Cook, Jonathan A (HUK) <>

> To: ''

> Subject: "The Irish Countryman"

> Date: Thursday, June 17, 1999 10:09 AM

> > Dear Roger and Regina,

> > In your posting on Rootsweb of 6th May 1999 you mentioned a bookcalled"The> Irish Countryman" by Arenburg(?). I have searched high and low forthisbut> cannot trace it anywhere. Could you let me have more details - theISBN> would be very helpful.> > Thank you for anything you can do to help.

> > Patrick Cryans


Reply-to: "Family History" < > From: "Family History" < > | Block address Date: Tue, 13 Jul 1999 08:32:09 +0100

 Organization: Family Spackman Subject: [CRYAN-L] To all


Hi to everyone,I am sorry not to hear from you all but I suppose lovely weather and

Summerholidays are taking over. Do have a good Summer......

I have collected some interesting CRYANs from the 1881 census which no

doubtwill eventually filter through. Lyle and Paul(I think) should be

especiallyinterested in those that stayed behind! However there are only 154 in

thewhole of England, Wales and Scotland.

I look forward to hearing from you all. Happy hunting Eve


Date: Thu, 15 Jul 1999 19:08:32 +1000 From: (George Simpson) | Block address Subject: [CRYAN-L] Re: CRYAN-D Digest V99 #51 To:


I am still looking for any information on John Creegan who settled in

Alexandria VA in 1854. He came originally from Co. Louth, possibly from

Drogheda or Drumshallon. He was born about 1830. He may have had a twin

brother and another brother, William (b. 1828). Two of the brothers

went toUSA, the third went to Australia.John Creegan was a pillar of the Alexandria establishment. Both he andhiswife Catherine McCann were highly regarded as their obituaries attest.

Would love to find any information on John and his family in Ireland.

Parents probably married in 1827/28, and probably born between 1800-10.

Thanks>Lynne Simpson Canberra Australia


From: | Block address Date: Wed, 21 Jul 1999 23:16:41 EDT

 Subject: [CRYAN-L] Cregan/Fitton Research To:

I thought that I would repost my surname research since I have not done

so in a long time. I have been so busy collecting information in Ireland.

I have been researching my Cregan roots for some time on both sides of

the ocean. I would very much appreciate any help or contact anyone may

offer.My great grandmother Catherine Fitton Cregan emigrated to the United

States from Newcastle West in County Limerick, Ireland after her husband James

Cregan passed on. Only some of her ten children came with her.

The children (all of them) were Patrick born 1857 died unmarried in

1911 in Bklyn.Catherine born 1858, Bridget aka Delia aka Nellie born 1859 married

John Regan and had two sons John and Edmund. She died in 1945 and is buried

in Calvery Cemetary in Woodside Long Island with her mother and her

brother. She was John Regan's second wife. He was buried in Saugerties NY

beside his first wife. Catherine born in 1862 married a Tierney and lived in Brooklyn, NY

James born 1864Mary born 1865Michael born 1869 married and lady named Mary and lived in Manhattan. Morgan born in 1871 married Ellen O'Shea and had four daughters,

Mairen, Eileen,Dora and Celia. He remained in Ireland and fought for the freedom of

Ireland against the EnglishJohn born 1874 Tom born 1876If this family history looks familiar to any of you all I would surelylove to hear from you. Regards,Ruth, Jacksonville, Florida


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 From: "Family History" < > | Block address

 Date: Fri, 23 Jul 1999 11:43:56 +0100 Organization: Family Spackman

 Subject: [CRYAN-L] Cryan in Co Sligo and Co Roscommon To:

Hi all,I have just bought the two maps that I have been awaiting. The Irish

Ordnance Survey Discovery series (1:50,000) is now all in print. Very

interesting it is to see all the larger townlands marked, especially as

I amnow transcribing part of Boyle parish for the 1901 census on the

LeitrimRoscommon website. I am now able to pinpoint where exactly the people

lived.One interesting feature is the distances between places. eg

Ballaghadereento Gurteen is about 10 miles, Gurteen to Boyle is about 7miles;Boyle to

Swinford about 12 to 15 miles etc

Taking it one step further - if one looks in the Irish Register Indexes

onesees born in/died in Boyle, Castlereagh,Swinford, Strokestown, Carrick

onShannon etc as the place where "registered" ie the nearest big town

with aregister office. One's ancestor could live anywhere in that town's

hinterland or not necessarily live but just happen to be. One usually

registers where the event took place. In the case of Boyle and other

townsnear the border of a county, the registration district extends over the

border.So BEWARE of making assumptions

One also has to register these events in person so one can imagine

occasionswhen, living a distance from the registry office, someone in the

townlandsays that they are taking a cart to another town with a registry and

wouldyou like a lift - I think that I would go and get the job done. So

differentbut nearby or adjacent places of registration may not mean that the

ancestorhad actually moved house. BEWARE again.

You can understand these ideas better having looked at the maps.

My brother has just visited Sligo ,Ballymote, Keash and Toomour and

talkedto people up little tracks miles from anywhere................he

called thedistrict "Ballyremote" so it must be a very lonely area......."just

my cupof tea ",I think. I will be there some time.Regards to all Eve


From: "Roger Cryan and Regina Pana-Cryan" <> | Block address

 Subject: Re: [CRYAN-L] Cryan in Co Sligo and Co Roscommon

 Date: Sun, 25 Jul 1999 13:16:29 -0400 To:

Actually, I was in Ballymote (in Sligo, not far from Boyle) a few years

ago, and it's an actual town. (It's bigger than the place where I grew

up,but I suppose "remote" and "lonely" are relative.) At one of the main

intersections of that town there was a sort of general store with the

Cryanname on it. The owner was a friendly gentleman by the name of Barkley

Cryan, who is also an appraiser and auctioneer. FYI Roger


Tue, 27 Jul 1999 08:12:12 -0400 From: Maureen McCourt Nantista <> | Block address Subject: [CRYAN-L] Cryans in England To:

Hi Eve,Just want to update you on the Cryan entry you sent me from the 1881

Censusof Little Lever, Lancashire, England.

Michael CRYAN aged 50 born Roscommon

Mary aged 53 born Roscommon

Peter aged 20 born Roscommon

Patrick aged 18 born Roscommon

John aged 15 born Roscommon

Catherine aged 12 born Roscommon

I ordered the LDS microfiche of the 1991 Census for the area, but the

family was no longer there. Of course one or both of the parents might

havedied during the ten year interval and the children married and/or moved

away.I do feel that they are my family. When I'm over in London this

SeptemberI'll check the birth, marriage and death indexes in the hopes of

tracingthem and perhaps locating some descendants. Will keep you informed of

theresults.Thanks again.Maureen McCourt NantistaHuntington, NY


From: "Michael Tobin" <> | Block address

 Subject: Re: [CRYAN-L] Cryan in Co Sligo and Co Roscommon

 Date: Wed, 28 Jul 1999 18:54:05 PDT To:

Its being a while since I contbibuted to the discussion here. Just a

small comment on Ballymote. Depending on how you travel to it, it may seem

very remote, but as far as Co. Sligo goes, its one of the four largest towns

in Co. Sligo - the 4 being Sligo, Ballymote, Tubbercurry and Coolooney,

probably in that order. From a Sligo perspective, its far from remote,

being possibly the 2nd largest town in the county. From a large city

perspective, it probably is remote. In fact, if you live in Dublin, everywhere in

Ireland is remote compared to Dublin!!

As Roger says, its all relative. The meaning of remote to a big city

person will differ to its meaning to a small rural area person.

I thought that the description of it as Ballyremote was quite funny -

me being from a smaller area approx. 8 miles from Bally'remote', its

amusing to think that our 'urban' neigbours are still remote.

Roger, I wonder could you have got the name of the Cryan auctioneer

wrong - a second-cousin once removed of mine, whose name was Casey-Cryan rather

than Barkley-Cryan, had both a shop and auctioneer's business in Ballymote

town until recently.regardsMichael


 Reply-to: "Family History" < >

 From: "Family History" < > | Block address

 Date: Thu, 29 Jul 1999 08:55:48 +0100 Organization: Family Spackman

 Subject: [CRYAN-L] Re Cryan in Co Sligo To:

Yes, the description "remote" depends on what your description of what

isnot remote. My brother had driven from another part of Ireland and

reachedSligo and then found another distance of about 10 miles to go, to what

seemed a lonely little town with nobody about. By car 10 miles is not

far,but having lived in the past, in a tiny isolated village 10 miles from

Cambridge, in England it can make one very "remote" when there is not

muchbetween. I do know that it can not compare with distances in the USA or

inAustralia or even NZ.. Having visited Ireland in the past I found that

itwas fairly common to go huge distances to a party or a dance.

 You may be interested that someone gave to my brother the local,

Ballymote,phone book/directory/ guide. In it there are about 6 Cryan phone

subscribers. One is "Bartley Cryan"- auctioneer and merchant ( Bartley

as aname occurs periodically way back in the registers, I think that it may

be acorruption/diminutive of Bartholemew which is a bit of a mouthful)

Another advertisment is for Mary Rose Cryan who I think (my brother

took thephone book away with him) sold cards and gifts.

My brother then went on to Keash where he was entertained by "the local

historian"....meaning given hospitality, and had a very pleasant



Thu, 29 Jul 1999 08:19:02 -0400 From: Maureen McCourt Nantista <> | Block address Subject: [CRYAN-L] Re. Cryans in England To:

Eve,Again very much appreciate the work you're doing!

You've saved me hours of valuable research time in London.

Am going to order 6 of the certs. (at 8 pounds each - especially if

they'renot the right ones - I can see how tracing this line forward could be

quitecostly). Hopefully they'll arrive before my departure September 15.

>do let me know when you are coming to England....who knows I

>may be around.Will be spending a few days in London upon my arrival September 16,

thenhead north and into Scotland- returning again before my departure

October7. My UK itinerary is somewhat flexible and open to change if, by some

stroke of good fortune, I'm able to locate some relatives.

Thanks again.Maureen


From: "Roger Cryan and Regina Pana-Cryan" <> | Block address

 Subject: Re: [CRYAN-L] Cryan in Co Sligo and Co Roscommon

 Date: Sat, 31 Jul 1999 10:16:07 -0400 To:

Michael, I'm quite sure his name was Barkley Cryan, although I don't remember

thename of his son, who was running the store. (This was in 1997.) I

have acopy of his letterhead, which reads: "Cryan & Co. M.I.A.V.I.;

Auctioneersand Valuers; Ballymote, Co. Sligo; Tel: 071 - 83316" Roger Cryan


 Date: Fri, 6 Aug 1999 06:49:31 -0700 (PDT)

 From: Caoimhghin O Croidheain <> | Block address

 Subject: [CRYAN-L] Roscommon Cryan graves


Hiinfo from fotos I took in Ardcarne and Drumlion cemeteries

Also if anyone can help me with Charles Cryan who died last year ie

anyone who will be in the death records office in London - I would

appreciate it.I have photos of the following gravestones :-

Drumlion Cemetery (The main Cryan cemetery in this area)

In Loving Memory of Bridget Cryan, Carrowreagh. Died 9th Feb. 1962.

Her Daughter Josephine Clapp, d. 3rd March 1967.

Sacred heart of Jesus have mercy on the soul of Bridie Cryan

Carrowreagh, d. 8-2-1992. aged 88

In loving memory of William Cryan, Bridge St., Carick-on-Shannon. d.

20-6-1989. aged 71.

In Loving Memory of John Cryan, Lakeview, Carrowreagh, d. 13-11-1970.

His wife Delia. d. 15-9-1982.

In Loving Memory of Patricia Cryan, Croghan Rd., d. 13 June 1987. aged


Ardcarne Cemetery

In Loving Memory of John Cryan who died 1935? his wife Eleanor Mary who

died 1950? their son John E. who died in 1979. (a little unclear)

Marcella Cryan, Carrick road d. 10-9-1987.


From: | Block address Date:

 Mon, 9 Aug 1999 00:13:12 EDT Subject: [CRYAN-L] One Year Anniversary and a Creeggan (Canadian) To:

Congrats to us! We're still on the topic after one full year! And

although we've only had a few distant cousins find one another, I for one feel

as though I've learned a tremendous amount. Thank you all for sharing ...

I read in the Washington Post about a Canadian band (rock) with a

member named Jim Creeggan. That's a first for that spelling, no? He's a

member of "The Barenaked Ladies."On a personal note, I'm finally in my house, and I'm never, EVER movingever, EVER again. I may never even leave my house. Well, okay, I'll leave

it to visit Ireland! ... and to do research after the school year begins.

My new home raises 2 questions: (1) is it true that "everyone" in

Ireland is devoted to the 'Sacred Heart'; and (2) has there ever been a drought in

Ireland?Hope everyone is enjoying lovely weather (but we could use some rain

desperately), Leslie


 Date: Mon, 9 Aug 1999 10:31:37 -0500 From: Jill DeVito <> | Block address Subject: Re: [CRYAN-L] One Year Anniversary and a Creeggan (Canadian)


Speaking of rock bands and genealogy, I thought I might share a

genealogical discovery of mine...A few months ago, while researching my Ultican line (they immigrated

fromCavan County, Ireland to New Brunswick, Canada) I found a distant

cousinonline who had done a considerable amount of work with the recent

branchesof the Ultican tree. According to her research, I am a distant cousin

toKurt Cobain, who was the lead singer of the band Nirvana in the Seattle

area.It was a little anticlimactic to find I was related to someone famous a

fewyears _after_ he took his own life... But it was a pretty exciting

discovery anyway. You never know who you might find yourself related

to!JillAngelo State UniversityBiology DepartmentSan Angelo, TX 76909

(915) 942-2189 ext.238

(915) 942-2184 fax


From: "jmitchell" <> | Block address Date: Mon, 9 Aug 1999 11:46:51 -0400 Subject: [CRYAN-L] Another musical CREGAN To:

Jim Cregan:

Words to "Forever Young" *sounds* like an Irish blessing!


From: "Michael Tobin" <> | Block address Subject: Re: [CRYAN-L] One Year Anniversary and a Creeggan (Canadian) Date: Mon, 09 Aug 1999 16:38:28 PDT

 To: Add Addresses

LeslieGlad to hear that you're settled in your new house.

Re your questions, I think in previous generations there was more

devotion to the Sacred Heart than nowadays. Most houses that I know of from my

youth in rural Ireland, always had a Sacred Heart picture in a prominent

position on the wall in one of the main rooms. Of course, having the picture

there doesn't mean that they were very devout but in most cases, I think they

were. To have a Sacred Heart picture was regarded as bringing a special

blessing on the house.In the current under-40 generations, I don't think this devotion is as

strong - the Catholic church has seen a fall-off in Church attendances,

etc although most would still profess to be of the Catholic faith. But

some, including myself, would still regard having a Sacred Heart picture in

the house as important.

As an aside, back in the 1970's, another very common picture to have

hanging up was a special 3-picture frame with 3 small photo's in it - of JF

Kennedy, Pope John (not sure which one) and I think the third 'saint' was Grace

Kelly. Maybe someone else can confirm the identity of the 3 people, but

JFK and the Pope were certainly 2 of the three.

Re your second question, I have never heard of a drought in Ireland.

We've certainly had dry spells from time to time, but to my knowledge nothing

that could ever remotely approach being described as a drought. The last few

years in particular have seen summer and winter merge into one extended

shower of rain almost (a little bit of an exaggeration, but only a

little!). The last 8 weeks have been the best weather we've had in 3 or 4 years -

and even in these 8 weeks, we've had a fair bit of rain - the longest being

probably 7 or 8 days without rain. Apparantly, the rain is one of the

reasons for Ireland having been named the Emerald Isle - the grass

stays green here all year round.regardsMichael


From: "Michael Tobin" <> | Block address

 Date: Mon, 09 Aug 1999 16:52:25 PDT Subject: [CRYAN-L] introduction to Cryan history

 To: Add Addresses

Hello folks,I am writing up a family history of my own family and want to put a

short introduction to the history of the Cryan name. I have used a number of

sources for this, including some of the information posted to this

list. I would really appreciate if you could read the following and send me any

comments on it. As my Cryan family are from Keash, I hope to try to

firmly establish how the Cryans came to Keash. I may need to include Boyle in

this also as they are probably all the one bunch if you go back far enough.

Please regard the following as a draft - its far from perfect but its a

start. Looking forward to any comments you can send me.


The Cryan name is believed to have originated from the old Irish

surname, O'Croidheáin which in turn is reputed to be derived from the Irish

word 'croi' meaning heart. Variants of the name include O'Crean, O'Cregan,

Crean and Crehan.

O'Rorke, in his history of Sligo, sets out some early history on the

O'Crean family of Sligo. O'Rorke speculates that the family came to

Sligo from Donegal "towards the close of the fifteenth century" and indicates

that the family became "the most distinguished family then in the place

after that of the O'Connors".

The first record of the Sligo branch of the family is to a Cormac

O'Crean. Cormac is buried in an impressive family tombstone in the Dominican

Friary in Sligo town (also known as Sligo Abbey). The Abbey was founded in

1252 approximately. According to a booklet produced by the Stationery

Office, "The earliest dated monument is the O'Craian or Crean tomb of 1506 in a

recess in the north wall of the nave, just west of the rood-screen.

....The Latin inscription, along the upper margin of the top slab of the tomb

chest, is incomplete, but the date (1506) and the name Cormac O'Craian can be

read".Interestingly, the only other comparable tomb in the Abbey belongs to

the O'Connor Sligo family, supporting O'Rorke's assertion that the O'Craian

family were a very wealthy family of that time. It can

reasonably be assumed that they made large financial contributions to

the upkeep of the Abbey and the friars, and that the friars expressed their

gratitude by allowing the family to build such a fine tombstone.

The same tombstone has further inscriptions, one of which "dated 1616,

is built into the recess of the O'Craian tomb ... The initials A.C. and

E.F. seem to be those of Andrew Crean and his wife".

O'Rorke notes that the Annals of the Four Masters record the death of

Henry O'Crean in the year 1572, "a rich and affluent merchant of Lower

Connaught" and also refers to an "Andrew Crean, or O'Crean,

who from Prior of Sligo, became Bishop of Elphin". The Bishop is

recorded as having been granted a fee of 12d a day for life in 1547 by Henry VIII.

O'Rorke comments on the "dubious" nature of this

transaction - with Henry VIII being infamous for his split with the

Roman Catholic Church.

In O'Rorke's history, he also records that "the O'Creans were not long

in Sligo when they began to invest money in land; and before many years

had passed, they held landed estate not only near the town, but in various

other parts of the country. Andrew O'Crean of Annagh, or Hazelwood and much

of the parishes of Carbury and St. John, in the barony of Carbury, but

also considerable stretches of land in Leyney, Tereragh, and Coolavin, as

well as the abbey of Ballindoon, in the barony of Tirerrill". This may be the

Andrew who was buried in 1616 in Sligo Abbey although O'Rorke suggests

that he died in 1641.

The name Andrew appears to have been a very common name in the Crean

family of this era. An Andrew Creane, Merchant and a John Creane, Gent are

noted as burgesses in 'Sligoe' on March 21 1687. Burgess was a term used to

describe a member of parliament for a borough , town or university.

Liam Swords, in his History of the Diocese of Achonry, indicates that

the O'Crean family lost much of their property as a result of the 1641

rebellion - i.e. the rebellion which resulted in the subjugation of the country

by Oliver Cromwell and the subsequent reallocation of lands. It is unclear

whether the family were relocated to other lands. However, it is not

beyond belief that they were resettled to the general area from Boyle to

Ballymote as that certainly appears to be the main area from where bearers of the

Cryan name have come since 1800.

Judging by its absense from the limited records prior to the 1700's and

its frequent use in the the early Church and Civil record of the 1800's, it

is reasonable to assume that spelling of the name as Cryan

commenced in the 1700's. During this period, the population were slowly

becoming more educated, with more people learning to read and write.

Perhaps they wrote down the name Crean as they pronouce it and

ended up with "Cryan". Although this is questionable given that the

letter "y" is not part of the Irish language which was still widely used

during the 1700's. Hopefully as this research progresses, the origination of the

spelling of the name will become clear.

Returning to the general Boyle-Ballymote area, judging from the

frequency with which the name occurs in the 1800's and 1900's compared to other

parts of the country and taking account of other people whom I have

encountered tracing their Cryan relatives from that area, this area is most

certainly the home of the name for at least 200 years and probably much longer.

Parish of Keash

Whatever about the origins of the name generally, the parish of Keash

was home to many many Cryan familes down through the years.

The Griffith's Valuation of the 1850's lists the following Cryans as

occupiers of land in each townland :-

 Parish Townland Cryan Families

 Drumrat Linconwy a) Martin

 Toomour Tonaponra a) Matthew

 Tully a) Daniel

 Brougher a) Patrick;

 b) Roger;

 c) Bridget, Patrick,

 Mary, Patrick, James, James;

 d) Martin

 Carrowcrory a) Daniel;

 b) John (Naples);

 c) Thomas;

 d) John, James;

 e) Michael, Michael, Patrick;

 f) John

 Derrygolagh a) Matthew Cryan;

 b) Thomas;

 c) James (Strong);

 d) Thomas;

 e) Patrick (Gildea);

 f) James (Jack);

 g)Patrick (Ruadh);

 h) Martin

 Carrowreagh a) Martin

 Toomour a) Michael

 Dernaskeagh a) Matthew


The above lists 24 separate individuals or groups of Cryans. Where

names are grouped, this reflects that they are listed in a group in Griffith's.

I'm not 100% sure why this is so, but most likely they are the one family.

It is not possible to determine from Griffith's whether the same name may be

listed twice for different townlands, but the total of 24 is reasonably

accurate for the townlands listed.

Also, currently the above list of townlands is incomplete, so more

families may have resided elsewhere in the parish. Note that in the above

parishes, the name is spelt exclusively as Cryan - there is no other variation

such as Crean in the records.


Date: Tue, 10 Aug 1999 09:43:24 -0700 (PDT) From: Caoimhghin O Croidheain <> | Block address Subject: [CRYAN] Re: [CRYAN-L] introduction to Cryan history To: Add Addresses

Dear Michael croidhe is now croi(fada on i)heart

'an' (fada on a) means 'noble' as in 'aos-an' fairies (noble people)

croidhe - ain 'noble heart' The word 'croiain' (with fada on i and a) is still in use in Donegal as

the word for a 'gallant' or 'suitor'.I believe this is the most likely origination of the name as

'heartlike' or 'heartthing' or 'little heart' do not refer to specific

emotional symbols we associate with the heart.

regards caoimhghin (caoimh-'gentle' g(h)in-'birth')


Date: Tue, 10 Aug 1999 11:17:01 -0700 (PDT) From: Caoimhghin O Croidheain <> | Block address Subject: [CRYAN] charles cryan To: Add Addresses


, Charles CryanI believe he died last year and the only info we have about him is that

he worked as a manager of a pub in London I tried to find out name of

the vintners association on the net to see if there was anyone I could

write to but to no avail.How do I start to find out information on somebody who died in London?

Maybe his name is on the death records by now?? That might give me some

information eg his address at death, a friend, which hospital he was

admitted to etcMaybe a list of hospitals will give me his name??

Any ideas anybody? I would appreciate any help in this modern

genealogical mystery!!!regardscaoimhghinps He has a sister but they didnt communicate - that is why I have nocontacts to go by.


From: Paul Cryan <> | Block address To: 'Caoimhghin O Croidheain' <> Subject: RE: [CRYAN] charles cryan Date:

 Wed, 11 Aug 1999 08:51:34 +0100 Add Addresses

Dear Caoimhghin,The telephone number of the Vintner's Association in London is ++44 171

2361863, Births and Deaths are registered at St. Catherine's House,

Kingsway, London, WC2. Hope this is of some help.

Kind Regards


From: Paul Cryan <> | Block address To: 'Caoimhghin O Croidheain' <> Subject: RE: [CRYAN] charles cryan Date: Thu, 12 Aug 1999 12:12:18 +0100 Add Addresses

Hi Again,Just spoke to a guy at the Vintners Assoc., Vintner's Hall, Upper

ThamesStreet, London, EC4V 3VJ who said that they will have records only of

their members, not publicans, but the guy on the phone was very

helpful,and also gave me the address of the Brewer's Company at Brewer's Hall,

Aldermanbury Square, EC2V 7HR, or Distiller's Co., 71 Lincoln's Inn

Fields, London, WC2A 3JF Regards Paul


From: "jmitchell" <> | Block address Date: Thu, 12 Aug 1999 19:43:40 -0400 Subject: [CRYAN] 3 CROGHANS from Roscommon To: Add Addresses


1847/09/19,,ROSCIUS,New York via Liverpool,CROGHAN,John,,24,,Co.


1847/09/19,,ROSCIUS,New York via Liverpool,CROGHAN,Margaret,,26,,Co.


1847/09/19,,ROSCIUS,New York via Liverpool,CROGHAN,Patrick,,28,,Co.



Hope this helps someone.



 From: "Michael Tobin" <> | Block address Date: Mon, 16 Aug 1999 16:50:11 PDT Subject: [CRYAN] more early Cryan records To:

Some more information I came across in a library recently :-

"The Compossicion Booke of Conought", 1585.

This was a survey of the size of all townlands in Connacht, undertaken

during the reign of Elizabeth I. It lists the names of the townlands

and their size in "qrs". I'm not sure what measurement this is as it seems

to be far greater than acres.

>From a Cryan perspective, the interesting piece of information is at

the start of the part on Sligo where it lists 16 people who supplied the

information for the survey on oath. The 16 all seem to be from

prominent familes and are perhaps the heads of their families. The 16 include

"William O'Crean" of Sligo.

Second piece of information, from the Donovan Letters. These were

letters written during the time of the Ordance Survey in 1836. I believe they

cover the entire country.

For the parish of 'Toomower' (now part of Keash and more commonly

spelled as Toomour but pronounced Toomower), it has 2 pages of information. It

lists the principal family names in the parish as Harts, Henrys, Mc

Donoughts, Scanlans, O'Conors, Killorans, Crynes and Keeltys. The precise text for

the reference to Crynes is

"Crynes Clann Chréín S. a Chréín.

(Crines) (ei like ei in feill in Leath Mhogha)"

Later in the same 2 pages of information, it says "In the townland of

Temple-a-vanny (Teampull a Mhanaigh) are the ruins of an old Church or

Monastery called Teampull a Mhanaigh from which the townland is named.

It is said to have been built by Manach Ruadh who (my informant believed) was

of the family of the Crynes (Crines). They say it was a 'monk-house'

belonging to the Abbey of Boyle, and that the Monks had the estate as a grant

from the family of the Kings, ancestors to Lord Lorton. It was called Dúithche

(Dúthaigh) na Manach."


From: | Block address Date: Sat, 21 Aug 1999 21:06:35 EDT

 Subject: [CRYAN] More on Croghan (I sent that last one a bit too early) To: Add Addresses

> -----Original Message-----

> From: mlutz []

> Sent: Saturday, July 24, 1999 10:05 AM

> To:


>>> Family legend stresses that Patrick Croghan came from County

Roscommon,> Ireland. The LDS records have a lot of CROGHANS and DENIGANS shown

as> being in Parish Kilbride. Another list shows that Parish Kilbride is

in> County Antrim.>> Could anyone tell me where Corbohill, Carnalasson, and Carrowgloher

are?> I have reason to believe that the CROGHAN family lived in the Four

Mile> House area in County Roscommon.>> Any information that anyone could provide about these two names wouldbe most welcome.>> Thanks,>> Mary


From: | Block address Date: Tue, 14 Sep 1999 13:59:11 EDT

 Subject: [CRYAN] Corrected List of webpages of subscribers To:

Yesterday's posting had errors. Please note the corrections or replaceyesterday's message with today's! or (main page) and (for

additional pages) and /index-3.html and and

(completely omitted yesterday)


 From: (Lyle Staehnke) | Block address Date: Tue, 14 Sep 1999 14:28:43 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [CRYAN] RE:Cryan To:

I don`t recall if I sent this out before, Some Miscelaneous Info about

the Cryan family.Maybe it will help some One.Its all jammed together as

you can see!


Cryan Family Of Boyle, Co. Roscommon [ Follow Ups ] [ The

Leitrim-Roscommon Bulletin Board ] [ FAQ ] Posted by Maureen McCourt

Nantista on May 02, 1997 at 01:00:06: Am interested in hearing from

anyone with information concerning the Cryans of Boyle Parish. My own

family is as follows: 1. Peter CRYAN (abt 1798) sp. Araeta MATTIMOE

(abt1798) 2. Catherine CRYAN (1823) 2. Peter CRYAN (1824) 2. Michael CRYAN

(1826) sp. Mary DURR (1828) 3. Mary Ann CRYAN (1853) ? sp. James


(1853) 3. Michael CRYAN (1855-1933) sp. Bridget CASEY (1855-1917) 4.

Michael J. CRYAN (1881-1961) 4. Jane CRYAN (1882-1951) sp- Michael

CUNNINGHAM(1881-1962) 4. John CRYAN (1884-1929) sp. Sarah MCINTOSH

(1889-1967) 4. Bridget CRYAN (1885-1963) sp. James SCANLON (?-1973) 4.

Patrick Joseph CRYAN (1887-1917) sp. Julia GAINE (1894) 4. Mary Anne

CRYAN (1888-1894) 4. Peter CRYAN (1890-1917) 4. Catherine CRYAN

(1892-1911) 4. Eugene CRYAN (1894-1913) 4. Francis Joseph CRYAN

(1897-1960) 4. Leo Augustine CRYAN (1899-1981) 3. Elizabeth CRYAN


3. Peter CRYAN (1860) 3. Patrick CRYAN (1862) 3. John CRYAN (1864) 3.

John CRYAN (1866) The family lived in Deerpark and Boyle. Michael CRYAN

(1855-1933) was well known and steward of the Catholic Club. His sons

Michael J., Francis and Leo formed the popular Boyle Havana Band. Leo

was also the govt. insurance agent in Boyle. In addition to CRYAN

relatives I would like to learn of any DURR or CASEY cousins of this

family. Will supply additional information to anyone interested. Thank

you and good luck to all reading this. Follow Ups: [ Follow Ups ] [ The

Leitrim-Roscommon Bulletin Board ] [ FAQ ]

The National Archives of Ireland Search results Found 2 records

matchingcryan. Printing first 2 of 2 records. The document reference in each

entry below is the National Archives of Ireland reference to the

original document in the archives. The microfilm reference number

refersto the set of microfilms presented to Australia in 1988. Record 1 of 2



CRIME DESCRIPTION: Burglary with intent SENTENCE: Transportation 7 yrs




20/06/1849 PLACE OF IMPRISONMENT: kilmainham DOCUMENT DATE: 24/03/1850

CRIME DESCRIPTION: burglary SENTENCE: transportation 7 yrs SHIP:


MICROFILMREFERENCES: COMMENTS: Back to the Transportation Search Page Back to

National Archives home page Last update:29sep95

Ontario Cemetery Finding Aid Search Results For information on the

Database Fields, see the OCFA Field Information page. Name: CRYAN,

Annie(Clyne) Cemetery: Avondale, Stratford (Roman Catholic sections) County:

Perth Township: Downie Reference: PH-286-3 Name: CRYAN, David Cemetery:

Avondale, Stratford (Roman Catholic sections) County: Perth Township:

Downie Reference: PH-286-3 Name: CRYAN, Ellen Cemetery: St Josephs

RomanCatholic County: Perth Township: Ellice Reference: PH-000-0 Name:

CRYAN,John Cemetery: St Josephs Roman Catholic County: Perth Township: Ellice