Additional contact
information (i.e., phone, fax) would be
helpful. A strong
response is anticipated and the television show
developers will
only be able to respond to those whose stories
most closely fit
its criteria. However, all submissions are
appreciated and
will be given careful consideration.
From: Fatarm@aol.comAdd to Address Book Date:
Thu, 25 Mar 1999 10:20:50 EST Subject:
[CRYAN-L] Roscommon List mentions
Buffalo Barracks site
To:
CRYAN-L@rootsweb.com
and I thought I'd
take a look. I'm not sure what to make
of the only
potential entry of
interest to our group, Nathaniel CRANE, born in
Here's the site,
should anyone else wish to take a looksy ....
http://www.buffalonet.org/army/1383.htm
<A
HREF="http://www.buffalonet.org/army/1383.htm">Infantry Work
Station</A>
From: Fatarm@aol.comAdd to Address Book Date:
Thu, 25 Mar 1999 16:09:46 EST
Subject:
[CRYAN-L] "Views of the Famine" reposted from Ballykilcline
mailing list
To:
CRYAN-L@rootsweb.com
A subscriber to
the Ballykilcline mailing list posted this website, and
it'sgot some
wonderful primary sources cited. Even if
it wasn't your Cryan
ancestor who emigrated
during the famine, you may have an another Irish
ancestor who
did. Check it out at:
http://vassun.vassar.edu/~sttaylor/FAMINE/
<A
HREF="http://vassun.vassar.edu/~sttaylor/FAMINE/">Views of the
Famine</A>
"Our second
Sketch represents what is called a Scalpeen. A Scalpeen is a hole. . . It is
often erected within the walls when anyare left standing, of the unroofed
houses, and all that is above the surface is built out of the old materials. It
possesses, too,some pieces of furniture, and the Scalpeen is altogether
superior to the Scalp."Illustrated
" This Sketch
shows the Scalpeen of Tim Downs, at
Illustrated
"There is
something called a scalp, or hole dug in the earth, some two or three feet
deep. In such a
place was the abode of Brian Connor. He has three in family, and
had lived in this
hole several months before it was discovered. It was roofed over
with sticks and
pieces of turf, laid in the shape of an inverted saucer. It resembles,
though not quite
so large, one of the ant-hills of the African forests."
Illustrated
" Than this
scalp, nothing could be more wretched. It was placed in a hole, surrounded by
pools, and three sides of the scalp
(shown in the Sketch) were dripping with water, which ran in small streams
over the floor and out by the entrance. Yet, wretched as this hole is, the poor
inhabitants said they would be thankful and content if the landlord would leave
them there, and the Almighty would spare their lives. "
Illustrated
From:
Fatarm@aol.comAdd to Address Book
Date: Tue, 30 Mar 1999
11:48:28 EST
Subject:
[CRYAN-L] Two Croghan census entries
To: CRYAN-L@rootsweb.com
William Croghan,
1860
MD, NewTown,
Castins District.ANDJohn Croghan, 1850 Maryland Federal Census Index, of
Baltimore Co., MD,9thWard of Baltimore.If you would like more information about
these two, please contact me
directly. -Leslie
HUMOR. Thanks to
<crodley@cris.com> who posted this poem (with
the introduction
"Why it is easier to be a Blacksheep") to
<BlackSheep-L@rootsweb.com>,
from which we rustled it.
NO
FOOTPRINTS IN THE SANDS OF TIME
(Author unknown)
It's nice to come from gentle folks
Who wouldn't stoop to brawl,
Who never took a lusty poke
At anyone at all.
Who never raised a raucous shout
At any country inn,
Or calmed an ugly fellow lout
With a belaying pin.
Who never shot at a revenuer
Hunting for a still,
Who never rustled cattle
and agreed with Uncle's will.
Who lived life as they ought
without uncouth distraction,
And shunned like leprosy a thought
of taking legal action.
It's nice to come from gentle folks
Who've never known disgrace
But oh, though scandal is no joke
It's far easier to trace!
From: Fatarm@aol.comAdd to Address Book Date:
Fri, 2 Apr 1999 11:09:12 EST Reply-To:
Fatarm@aol.com Subject: [CRYAN-L] Creagan (and variations)
from Maryland Census Index To:
CRYAN-L@rootsweb.com
Please contact me
directly for further info on any of the following:
1870 - Patrick
Creagan of Baltimore Co., MD; 3rd District
1870 - Thomas
Creagan of Baltimore Co., MD; 3rd District
1850 - Michael
Cregan of Allegheny Co., MD; 6th E.D.
1870 - Augusta
Creaghan of Baltimore Co., MD; 3rd District
1870 - Michael
Creaghan of Baltimore Co., MD; 9th District
There were no
Creghans.
From: Fatarm@aol.comAdd to Address
Book Date: Fri, 2 Apr 1999 11:13:20 EST Reply-To: Fatarm@aol.com Subject:
[CRYAN-L] Crean (and variations - incl McCrean!) from Maryland Census
Index
To:
CRYAN-L@rootsweb.com
Please contact me
directly for further info on the following:
1850 - Samuel
McCrean of Baltimore Co., MD; 3rd Ward,
1860 - John Creen
of Frederick Co., MD; Petersville District
1860 - John Creen
of Frederick Co., MD; Petersville District (possibly
a John Jr.)
1860 - William
Creen of Frederick Co., MD; Petersville District
There were no
Creanes or Creenes.
And how 'bout that
MC? That's a first time for me! Anyone else seen a
McCrean
previously? With that 'samuel' it sounds
very Scottish to me,
but who
knows? I'd be interested in anyone's
thoughts on the matter,
Leslie
hi Liam Walsh 3-4-99
How are you! I met
Aidan, Kieran and Jackie (for the first time in 8 years) Rosemary, Paul and
Niamh at Aidan's birthday drinks last week. Susan rang me and then I rang Lauri
(mobiles are very handy) and we went to the pub to see them. They were all in
great form.
I dont know if I
told you that my latest project is to interview the older members of the family
on video. I have done interviews ranging in length from 1 hour to 2 1/2 hours
with my mother, Teda, Des, Colette, Olivia Downey and her husband (Olivia's
father was our grandfathers brother) I would like to interview your mother,
Frank and Doreen as well. Now, they don't always take to the idea immediately
but soon warm when they get going (Could you warm them up to the idea???). I
really regret I didnt do same when I was over last year especially after
talking to your father a lot about Korea etc.
I believe Sally is
coming over to
Eventually I plan
to make transcripts of all the interviews, edit them, send copies to the interviewees
for approval, and then put them together in the form of a small book which will
be distributed to everyone.
What do you think?
Also I was
wondering what you want me to do with the old photos I borrowed last year? Does
the family want me to keep them for safe-keeping (I could have copies made for
you all) or would you prefer me to bring them with me if I come over? I am not
sure who exactly is interested in them as Sally kept saying to me to keep them
which I would not do against the wishes of the family as a whole. Could you
discuss this with the family and let me know?
Lauri came over
last night and we edited other material I had collected and we are going to
make a new addendum (40 pages). When the pack is photocopied I will give you
all copies.
Other than that I
am still rewriting my thesis, still really broke but still going out a lot
(Well, you have to have a life!)Write soon regards Kevin
From: Fatarm@aol.comAdd to Address Book
Date: Sat,
3 Apr 1999 10:31:56 EST
Reply-To:
Fatarm@aol.com
Subject: [CRYAN-L] LDS site is (so I hear) up
and running
To: CRYAN-L@rootsweb.com
Here's the address
of the LDS site should one of you like to check it
out while your
relatives are snoozing over tummies full of ham this weekend
...www.familysearch.org
Happy Easter
all!Leslie
Reply-To: "Family History" < >
From: "Family History" <
>Add to Address Book
To: "Caoimhghin O Croidheain"
<caoimhghin@yahoo.com>
Subject: Re: [CRYAN-L] Request Date: Tue, 6 Apr 1999 09:34:01 +0100
Hi again,About
Charles Cryan - I shall be going to the GRO at Myddleton
Place in the not
too distant future as I said. Then I can ask about the
timing for the
1998 indexes and what else we can do.Until the indexes
areproduced it is
like looking for a needle in a haystack. If the date and
place were known,
it would be straight forward to give the details and
writeto the local
registry. The date and place are uncertain so I am not
sure ofa
procedure.On the whole they need more than a name. Do not worry, it
won'tbe too long ,
once the entry with its index number is found, it takes
about4 days to
receive the certificate.
That visit to the
GRO a few weeks ago was momentous for me, (apart fom
falling and
cracking my head),finding a sister for my ggrandfather plus
thedeaths of all 4
of the family within a few years of each other at a
fairlyyoung age.
John and Daniel died at about 41 yrs old,no wonder that they
werenot known by
their grandchildren. They must have been twins or at least
veryclose in age.
Perhaps further parish registers will reveal something. I
amjust off to the
LDS to look at the Gurteen register.
I will let you
know of any further news from my enquireis. Eve
From: Fatarm@aol.comAdd to Address Book Date: Wed, 7 Apr 1999 12:00:48 EDT
Reply-To: Fatarm@aol.com Subject: [CRYAN-L] Online maps, websites and
other references gleaned from this past weekend's mailing lists To: CRYAN-L@rootsweb.com
I thought this
weekend would be quiet for the online genealogical
community, but the
emails swamped my mailbox. I found a lot
of references for
websites I'd never
visited, so I thought I'd re-package the ones that might be
interesting to us
O'Crean, Creaghan and MacCroghan -types
and share
them. I hope something proves interesting! -Leslie
This info comes
from the Ballykilcline society (reposted here):
"There is a
map of Boyle and Ballyk on this page by the MacDermot Clan.
Somemay wish to
take a look:
http://macdermot.com/events/gather99/docuindx.htm "
>From GenIre
mailing list:
"The National
Library in Dublin (http://www.heanet.ie/natlib/) has
parishrecords on
microfilm" [note: records not online, but here's info about
the library &
collection]
>From GenIre
mailing list, responding to a question about where to get
birth/death
records, with a recommendation to check out the TIARA
website:
"See:
http://www.kst.dit.ie/nat-arch/genealogy.html#births
Irish Register of Births, Marriages,
and Deaths since 1864
http://www.lds.org/en/2_How_Do_I_Begin/0-How_Do_I_Begin.html
Indexes available on microfilm at LDS
Family History Centers
http://www.genfindit.com
Online Irish Vital Records Ordering
Service
http://www.doh.ie/manual/chap4/gere.htm
General Register Office (Republic of
Ireland)
http://www.nics.gov.uk/nisra/grohome.htm
General Register Office (Northern
Ireland)
And continuing on
the subject of looking for records in Dublin:
"See: http://www.mayo-ireland.ie/Geneal/Dublin.htm
Dublin Family Heritage Centre
computerizing parish records
Provides search service for a fee
See
http://world.std.com/~ahern/results.htm for customer comments
http://www.ireland.com/ancestor/browse/counties/leinster/index_du.html
County Dublin sources for genealogy
http://www.geocities.com/Athens/Parthenon/5345/dublin.htm
County Dublin queries page
http://www.dun-laoghaire.com/genealogy/index.htm
Dun Laoghaire Genealogical Society
http://www.earl.org.uk/familia/services/eire_dun_laogh.html
Dun Laoghaire-Rathdown Library Family
History Resources
http://ireland.iol.ie/resource/dubcitylib
Dublin City Public Library
http://www.earl.org.uk/familia/services/eire_dublin.html
Dublin Public Library Family History
Resources
http://ireland.iol.ie/resource/dubcitylib/archives.htm
Dublin City Archive
http://www.glasnevin-cemetery.ie
Glasnevin Cemetery, in Dublin
http://homepage.tinet.ie/~plough
Dublin Directory of 1850
http://expedia.msn.com/wg/places/Maps/DUBL2C.htm
Map of Greater Dublin area "
>From GenIre in
response to looking for telephone directory info:
"In terms of
doing Web searches for surnames in Ireland, I've found
http://www.iesearch.com
and http://www.esearch.ie to yield intriguing
results ... though
you can't expect it to be a substitute for the
telephone
directory."
>From Gen-Ire
about name origins:
"I submitted
a list of some of the ancient Irish names and their
English
translations to;
http://www.rootsweb.com/~irish/ir-names/oldfam.htm
Patrick Traynor, in California's gold-rush country. tray@jps.net"
Reply-To: "Family History" <
> From: "Family History" <
>Add to Address Book To: "Caoimhghin O Croidheain"
<caoimhghin@yahoo.com> Subject: Re: [CRYAN-L] Request Date: Thu, 8 Apr 1999 00:33:25 +0100
Thank you for your
concern, re head, your friend was not of my line of
Cryans, we have
tuff nuts!!!. But I must say I felt stunned and bruised
andstupid but had
to get home on the underground and then the train.
Re charles ....
what you have given particularly the birth date should
help.It is just
that the sorted list of records has not yet been published
for1998..... March
I think was a bit early in the year.Until again Eve
From: Fatarm@aol.comAdd to Address
Book Date: Thu, 8 Apr 1999 09:36:10 EDT
Reply-To: Fatarm@aol.com Subject: [CRYAN-L] Fwd: Re: records on famine
immigrants (Boston, MA) To: CRYAN-L@rootsweb.com
I thought this
posting listed some new websites that might be of
interest to you
Boston and Lowell-area researchers in Massachusetts. Let me know
if any of them are
particularly good .... Leslie
My Irish
Dwyer/Dyer ancestors also emigrated to Cambridge, MA. The
CambridgeCity
Library has newspapers and City Directories
from this time
period.The
Cambridge Historical Society has some pictures of many of the old
houses.I've found
a picture of the tenement that my Irish ancestors lived in
during the1870's.
Here is their URL. http://www.ci.cambridge.ma.us/~Historic/
The clerks office
at Cambridge City Hall let me look through their old
birth/marriage/death
records. Which are also available at the Mass
StateArchives and
the Mass Dept of Vital Records. (See the TIARA site
http://world.std.com/~ahern/links.html
)
And the
archdiocese of boston also has parish registers. These
registers
havebaptismal, marriage, and death records. They have info not found in the
civilrecords such
as godparents, best man/maid of honor at marriages, etc.
which canlead to
other relatives. (See the TIARA sitehttp://world.std.com/~ahern/links.html
)
And you can also
look for them at in the 1880 U.S Census at the
NationalArchives
and the Boston City Library. (See the TIARA site
http://world.std.com/~ahern/links.html
)
Heres my genealogy
site.
http://www.ultranet.com/~tdyer/gene/gen_toc_tom.html
Good Luck,Tom
From: Fatarm@aol.comAdd to Address
Book Date: Thu, 8 Apr 1999 10:40:50 EDT
Reply-To: Fatarm@aol.com Subject: [CRYAN-L] Cryans from AIS Census
Index (USA) (all but NY &SD)
To: CRYAN-L@rootsweb.com
Cryans from AIS Census Index (USA) (all but NY
&SD):
1870: Solano Co.,
CA: Thomas Cryan
1830: NewCastle
Co., DE: John O'Cryan
1860: Macoupin Co., IL: Leura & Micaja Cryan
1870: Muscatine
Co., IA: Bridget & Michael Cryan
1870: Cumberland
Co., ME: Mary & Michael Cryan
1850: Boston;
Suffolk Co., MA: John Cryan
1860: Suffolk Co.,
MA: Patrick Cryan
1860: Bristol Co.,
MA: Jason Cryan
1860:
Attleborough, Bristol Co., MA: Michael Cryan
1860: Essex Co.,
MA: Thomas Cryan
1870: Hennepin
Co., MN: Sarah Cryan
1860: Bucks Co.,
PA: Dean Cryan (female)
1910: Churchill
Co., NV: Michael Cryan
1860: Union Co.,
NJ: James Cryan
1870: Essex Co.,
NJ: John & Mary Cryan
1870: Lucas Co.,
OH: Cecelia & James Cryan
1870: Luzerne Co.,
PA: Mary Cryan
1880: Brazoria
Co., TX: Anderson Cryan
1810: Wythe Co.,
VA: Henry Cryan
1840: Jackson Co.,
VA: Henry McCryan
Did you see those
O'Cryan and McCryan entries? Interesting
...
If anyone would
like more info on the above, write and I'll let you
know what little
more I have. I'll do S.Dakota later with
NY (they were numerous
entries and I
haven't completed copying them yet).
What's everyone upto these days?
Leslie
From: RuthK3834@aol.comAdd to Address
Book Date: Thu, 8 Apr 1999 10:51:29 EDT
Reply-To: RuthK3834@aol.com Subject: [CRYAN-L] Further Success To: CRYAN-L@rootsweb.com
I have received a
letter from a clerk at a church in Newcastle West to
whom I never
wrote!!! I did write to lots of folks
with the Cregan last name
in the area
looking for family that is perhaps still moving around. Evidently
one of these kind
people took my inquiry to the church and I got the
aforementioned
letter telling me of three living cousins in the area!
I am so
excited. I have written to them and am
hopeful about getting a
response. Happily,Ruth
From: Fatarm@aol.com Add to Address
Book Date: Fri, 9 Apr 1999 16:54:16 EDT
Reply-To: Fatarm@aol.com Subject: [CRYAN-L] Patrick - your posting re:
Vct. Lorton
To: CRYAN-L@rootsweb.com
I'm sorry to be
just getting around to paying attention to your earlier
posting, Patrick,
but some time ago you posted the 1885 tenants of
Viscount
Lorton. Can I ask what your source
was? Also, if you still have
access to it --
were there others of the spelling variations?
You noted some
Cryan -s and a
Cryne, but I was wondering if there were any Creans, etc.
Thanks, Leslie
From: RoCryan@aol.com Add to Address
Book Date:
Sat, 10 Apr 1999 14:12:18 EDT
Reply-To: RoCryan@aol.com Subject: [CRYAN-L] RAGC learned to post!
To: CRYAN-L@rootsweb.com
Roger, Eve, Jill,
Leslie et.al. Finally figuring out how
to read
archives and post
- does this mean I don't have to organize Cryan List notes for
my own files? Wow.
That's what was holding me back.
You should know
that most of my
information is the same as Jill DeVito's as her Mom is my first
cousin.O.K. Walter Cryan the newscaster looks just like
my Fathers' family
(and my generation
now that we are 50 ish) typical is the widows peak and early
turning of hair to
white.The tradition of age changing remains as Arthur Cryan discovered his
Mother Anna
O'Reilly was born in 1854 not 55 and placed me as the youngest in
my family when in
fact my brother Richard Patrick Cryan is. {I'd be happy
to post his work
if Jill hasn't already done so]
I can't understand
why I didn't know there were more Cryans in Lowell
than I knew. I've seen pictures and heard stories of the
1938 flood (like my
Father James
Ultican Cryan walking from Lowell to Chelmsford to see his fiance
- Mom, Mary
HonanCassidy) but never heard of Martin Cryan who died in it.
Answer to my own
question? A friend gave me an excerpt
from a book on
psychology and the
Irish - and how immune we are to routine counseling-
It suggests that after 500 years of being
stolen from, starved, put into
servitude and
generally demeaned by people who looked just like us
we've finely tuned
that well know Irsh wit, sarcasm, blarney to a degree that
only the most
creative, mystically inspired, artist of psychology could
penetrate. That's certainly the case with my family -
and, again, there are
stories of men
leaving Ireland packed in pork barrels, and/or dressed as women to
avoid
prosecution. (Maybe the lost
Michael?) They couldn't have been too
eager to leave
tracks.
Well, AOL bumped
me again - says I was idle when I was creating all
that prose! Now the search engine says there are no Cryan
postings so I've
lost the material
I was responding to. I'll just do what
Leslie asked and
post an e-mail I
sent her recently.
Please give me
some feedback on whether I you'd like me to post a
monologue based on
the life of Anna O'Reilly Cryan, in Lowell, 1923 that my
Sister Kate Cryan
wrote for a master's storytelling class and other info, if Jill
DeVito hasn't
already posted it. Thanks, Rosalie Anne
Gertrude Cryan (names
that reccur)
Subj: Re: [CRYAN-L] Cryans from AIS Census Index
(USA) (all but NY &SD)
Date: 4/8/99 11:39:48 AM Eastern Daylight
TimeFrom: RoCryan
To: Fatarm
Hi Leslie, I'm desperatly trying to catch up on paper
work - and my
taxes are already
done! I barely have time to read Cryan-L
stuff but I'm
still fascinated
and will spend more time - perhaps during the lazy, hazy
days of summer-
responding to posts. A note on McRyan
and variations of: for
many years I
explained my name to folks thusly; "When the McRyan's (or
McCryans?) arrived
on Liberty's shore, the immigration
processors dropped the M
and we became
Cryan". I learned this story when I
was very young, possibly
from a Great Aunt
or Uncle? Rosalie
From:
"Roger Cryan and Regina Pana-Cryan" <cryan@avana.net>
Add to Address Book
Subject:
Re: [CRYAN-L] RAGC learned to post!
Date:
Sat, 10 Apr 1999 23:13:59 -0400 To:
CRYAN-L@rootsweb.com
To Rosalie and
everyone else,
Martin Cryan (of Lowell, MA) died
during the 1938 flood, but not in
theflood. He died of pneumonia or something in his
house in
Pawtucketville,which
was (I was told) just a few yards above the high water mark. My
grandfather had to
talk his way past the police to go to his father's
sickbed. Rosalie, do you know who Walter Cryan's
grandfather was? (I don't.)
Isanyone on this
list related to Walter Cryan?
Happy hunting everyone. Roger Cryan
----------
Reply-To: "Family History" <
> From: "Family History" < >
Add to Address Book Subject: Re: [CRYAN-L] Re CRYAN and
RORKE/ROURKE/O'ROARK Date: Mon, 12 Apr 1999 00:18:34 +0100
To: CRYAN-L@rootsweb.com
I received your
two mails. No there have not been others but I had
hopedthat you had
receved the one about the RORKEs.
I usually write to
the list rather than reply personally because it is
surprising how
often a posting like this is picked up by yet another
connection.Do ask
questions to the list , tell family tale/stories, describe
thingsthat
ggrandpa/ma made or did, describe photos or recipes. It is all
part ofmaking a
more rounded picture of those in your family tree. Similar
skillsor talents
or even the songs that were sung may come from the same
line.I already had
a couple of my grandmother Cryan's beautiful lace
tableclothsand have
just uncovered or found one that has never been used and was
probably made by
her as a wedding gift for my mother and father -
drippingwith fine
lace around a tiny square of very fine white linen. Fine
whitelinen puts me
in mind of the area around Ballymote where many people
wereinvolved in
linen manufacturing. Interesting too is the fact that
another ofmy
ggrandparents(not Cryan) was a flax merchant elsewhere in Ireland.
There is a great
deal to our ancestors if we look far enough.
Happy huntingEve.
From: Fatarm@aol.com Add to Address
Book Date: Mon, 12 Apr 1999 09:51:48 EDT
Subject: Fwd: Re: [CRYAN-L] Cryans from AIS
Census Index (USA) (all but NY
&SD) Reply-To: Fatarm@aol.com To: CRYAN-L@rootsweb.com
Hi, Leslie,
I'm still
searching for my Michael Crehan. I did
find he was
naturalized inthe
USA in 1886 and his sponsor was John Crehan.
I have no idea who
John isbut I'm
determined to solve that mystery also. I
now know that
Michael'swife was
Margaret Dillon born in 1846 in Boston to Michael and Bridgett
Dillon who were
both born in Ireland. I have sent to
Boston for
Margaret'sbirth
certificate and hope it will give me more information.
I got a book from
my local library called The Complete Book for Tracing
YourIrish
Ancestors written by a Michael C. O'Laughlin.
So far it has only
toldme that there
were 17 Crehans born in Galway in 1890 and 15 used that
exactspelling. This only tells me that possibly my Crehans
were from that
partof Ireland
which is something I didn't know before.
The book also
explained something that I'm sure all you Irish already
knowbut I
didn't. Surnames that contain an
"O" were ancient Gaelic and the
"O"is an
acccent mark that stood for 'grandson of' or 'male descendent
of'.Michael
O'LochLainn would mean you were Michael - grandson of or male
descendent of
LochLainn. And the Mac in surnames stood
for 'son of'.
That's a new one
on me. Interesting, wouldn't you say?
I'm still hard at
work on these Crehans as is my cousin Carole from
Ohio.I've seen so
many variations of Crehan but can't make a connection yet.
Take care and
enjoy your new home.
Crystal Hamel
From: Fatarm@aol.com Add to Address
Book Date: Mon, 12 Apr 1999 09:55:58 EDT
Reply-To: Fatarm@aol.com Subject: [CRYAN-L] Co. Sligo websites
To: CRYAN-L@rootsweb.com
Again from the
GenIre list, three Sligo websites which some of you
researching in
that county might enjoy ...
http://www.earl.org.uk/familia/services/eire_sligo.html
County Sligo Library Family History
Resources
http://www.rootsweb.com/%7Eirlsli/surnam.html
County Sligo Surname List
http://www.iol.ie/~chambrs/map.htm
Map of County Sligo
(from ahern and
Tiara website)
From: RoCryan@aol.com Add to Address
Book Date: Mon, 12 Apr 1999 14:52:04 EDT
Reply-To: RoCryan@aol.com Subject: [CRYAN-L] McRyan To: CRYAN-L@rootsweb.com
A note on McRyan
and variations of: for many years I
explained my name
to folks thusly;
"When the McRyan's (or McCryans?) arrived on Liberty's
shore, the immigration processors dropped the M and
we became Cryan". I
learned this story
when I was very young, possibly from a Great Aunt or Uncle?
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Fatarm@aol.com Subject: [CRYAN-L] Cryan Entries for SD (AIS
Census Index)
To: CRYAN-L@rootsweb.com
Please contact me
directly if you would like any additional info on the
following (I'm
sure you've already got this, Lyle, but let me know all
the same:):
All: 1870 Fed Pop.
Schdl.: All of Union Co., SD: Jefferson.
Bridget
Daniel
Martin J.
Mary
Patrick
Patrick
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Census Index/Fed Pop. Schdl To: CRYAN-L@rootsweb.com
1850: Lurany Craen
of DeKalb Co., AL: Civil Division 25.
1860: Mary Craen
of New Castle Co., DE: Wilimgton City, 1st ward.
1860: Mary Craen
of Washington Co., District of Columbia: 4th ward
1870: Maurice
Craen of Cook Co., IL: 5 w Chicago
1860: Thomas Craen
of Saline Co., IL: Eldorado P.O.
1870: Frank Craen
of Madison Co., KY: Richmond.
1880: Catherine
Craen of Washoe Co., NV: Reno
1870: William
Craen of Kings Co., NY: 1 w. Brooklyn.
1860: Hugh Craen
of Wyoming Co., NY: Perry
1860: Michael G.
Craen of Cattaraugus Co., NY: Little Valley.
1870: Prudy Craen
of Catawba Co., NC: Clines Twp.
1840: John Craen
of Venango Co., PA: Sugar Creek Twp.
1891: Peter Craen
of WArren Co., TN: Dist. 9 - male voters.
From: Fatarm@aol.com Add to Address Book Date: Tue, 13 Apr 1999 09:43:26 EDT
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Census Index - part 1
To: CRYAN-L@rootsweb.com
1860: Martha Crean
of Henry Co., AL: Sanders Beat.
1870: Andrew Crean
of Arapahoe Co., CO: Denver.
1880: Sophia Crean
of El Paso Co., CO: Colorado Springs.
1860: John Crean
of Washington Co., District of Columbia: 7th ward.
1820: Patrick
Crean of Camden Co., GA: no twp. listed.
And two non-census
listings:
1672: Henery Crean
of New Haven, CT: Guilford: CT 1635-1807 Misc.
Records.
1860: R.M. Crean
of Bulloch Co., GA: Slave Schedule.
Please note that
these last two are not from the Census Index, but
lumped in with
them. I believe "R.M. Crean"
was a slave -- unless they listed
owners, etc., I
believe those listed on the slave schedules were solely slaves.
Does anyone else know anything about the slave
schedules? I've seen
postings by
African Americans searching through their Irish genealogy and surnames
on other lists.
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Reply-To: RoCryan@aol.com Subject: [CRYAN-L] Good story though...
To: CRYAN-L@rootsweb.com
Hi all, I think Jill
D. is right that the story about immigration data
dropping the Mc
from Ryan or Cryan is a fabrication - at least for our
family -- that's
why I only felt emboldened to tell it again after joining
rootsweb -- might
have happened to others, though. (Maybe
the seemingly
unattached Walter
Cryan came from Mc...)
I'm sorry, and
relieved, to hear that Martin Cryan of Lowell died of
pneumonia during
the 1938 flood - I had assumed he just
couldn't walk
on water the way
my Dad (James Ultican Cryan, Sr.,1908-1990), could.
I think I will
post Kathleen Marie Cryan's (oldest daughter of the
oldest son of John
Philip Cryan and Anna Gertrude O'Reilly) work.
It is an
interpretation,
from letters and oral history, of a time in the lives
on one Cryan
family of Lowell, MA. 59 Temple Street,
Lowell, Massachusetts
It is an early evening in midsummer of
1927. Anna O'Reilly Cryan,
age 43, is in her
backyard, standing under the clothesline.
As she
takes down and
folds the dry laundry, she speaks to us about her family and
her life.
"My Gerald is a great baby! He will be three in September. When I
bring him to
church with me, he behaves fine - just looks around and
smiles, but he
does not talk at all. He enjoys getting
out. At home, he talks
and sings
songs. Gerald and Paul, my four year
old, chum together and
Gerald likes to
stand on Arthur's shoulders while Arthur walks all over the
room with
him. Gerald had a cold last week. I was afraid I would have to
get the doctor but
with Castor Oil, Pertussin and Vaporub I pulled him through
all right.
Paul is a regular roughneck most of the
time. Last Sunday, he went
to see a pony and
every time he sees a picture of a pony or horse, he
wants Papa to buy
it for him. When he gets excited, we
cannot understand
him. I say, "Paul, what are you talking
about?' This afternoon, he was all
alone in the
kitchen. He took five cups, put a little
cod liver oil in each
cup, and filled
them up with water. Even after good
washing, it seemed
everything smelled
and tasted of cod-liver oil.
Thomas is 6 ˝. He is a good kid, and appreciates any little
thing
you do for
him. He laughs when we say he is the
smartest one yet. He
is already
practicing the headings for his school papers: Thomas Cryan,
St. Peter's
School, Grade 2. I just bought him high
shoes with two buckles
for $2.69.
Eileen is 7 ˝, and just made her first
Communion. She is able to
hold her own with
Catherine, who is two years older. She
is troubled
today, because
someone has smashed one of her dolls and pushed the eyes out of
another.
Catherine is a regular old maid and is
always bossing Eileen. She is
as sure of herself
as ever. I want to get a typewriter for
her, so I'm
looking for one at
the second hand store. I found her some
nice
rubbers for 85
cents.
Jack is happy with a second hand
bicycle we bought for $8.00. He
always keeps
tinkering with it. He's 13 ˝ and would
like to get a job
with Western
Union. On Saturday, he had to have a
back tooth filled and Tom
had to have one
pulled because it was coming in crooked.
They went down to
the dentist
together. That cost $2.50. Papa had to go to the Common at 2
a.m. on the Fourth
of July, to find Jack. He waited to see
the Fakirs take
down there stands
and would be there yet if no one went after him.
Arthur is 15 ˝. He is doing rough work at the Courier-Citizen
Printing Plant for
the summer. He has to carry cardboard to
the
machines and make
himself useful. His first full pay was
$10.20. He says he can
never get a girl
if he does not get a new suit. He has
fallen into James'
blue suit. I had the pants reseated. It is a shame that such a
good-looking boy
would have to wear old clothes. He says
it is funny, when the other
fellows speak to a
girl that is the end of it but when he speaks to one they
always come back
again. If James and Frank and Pa are
working, we will be
able to put Arthur
through college. Our Arthur will have to
be a gentleman.
He has not the
physique for strenuous work the rest of the boys do. He is
the slowest thing
on earth. He will never catch up.
Frank is almost 17. He is getting 35cents an hour for painting a
house in
Tyngsborough. He has a different girl
every week and believe
me, he is some
sheik! Sometimes he was so distracted
from his schoolwork he
didn't even hear
the teacher's assignment. He was booked for two weeks at the
'Y' to help out
while Eddie Hood was on vacation. He was
only getting $11.00
a week. Frank is talking about taking a course at evening
Textile. I
suppose he will if
he finds there are some good looking girls going. There is
no charge to
residents of Lowell but the textbook will cost $1.25.
My big boy James is 18 ˝. He has been in New York for almost a year.
I wish there were some good job around here so
that we could keep him
at home. He is working at Schrafts and sending us
$25.00 each week.
There must be
wonderful profits in sodas if they can pay a clerk such wages!
In June, I attended the graduation
exercises at the high school. It
gave me a touch of
the blues to think of the bright prospects my boy
has missed. I had a pipe dream that my James would be a
Carney Medal
Scholar, but it
was only a dream. He is still interested
in studying law and
music; at present
he is taking a night course in public speaking.
I think he
could take up any
number of courses that would be of more benefit than public
speaking;
advertising, salesmanship, accounting - something that will
improve him along
business lines. Most of the public
speaking courses he would
just be listening
to beginners like himself and hearing them criticized by
the teacher but in
the other courses, he'd be absorbing knowledge.
He was living with my sister Katie and
her husband, Gene, at first.
Katie told me that
sometimes he was too lazy to get up on time for Mass
on Sunday. Now that he is on his own, living at the 'Y',
it worries me.
If he does not
attend to his church duties I have failed in one of my most
important
trusts. I feel dreadfully blue about
it. If he works late
on Saturday night,
I think there is a midnight mass that he could attend
and sleep Sunday
morning. I think I have read somewhere
that there is a
midnight mass in
New York every Saturday night. It may
just be like a number of
stories you hear
about New York.
Papa is still hoping to strike
something in the way of a job so James
can come home
soon. He has a monthly pension as a
Spanish American War
Veteran. It was such luck that it increased from $15
to $20 a month
last year. He has started to sell advertising
specialties. You only get
paid on
commission. It is a good house - Geiger
Brothers of Newark, New
Jersey. They have calendars, blotters, pencils and
novelties. He has to sell
the advertising
idea to the storekeeper or firm. I don't
think much of it.
Papa thought that James might be able to work
at the Telephone Company here,
but Mr. McIntyre
said he just laid off about 20 men and cannot put any new
hands to work
until they are taken care of. The Cartridge
Shop has moved to
New Haven leaving
about 600 people out of work and the Hamilton is being
sold. Chances here are very poor.
Papa says that all
our investments are in the family now, his available
capital is all
tied up in boys and girls. He is encouraging
James to
save some money
though. Fifty cents put away every week
will amount to $26
in a year. At 5%
that will earn $1.30 - over a third of a day's work!
Money in the bank
would look mighty good to me right now.
I have tried
to keep without any
bills but sometimes it makes me dizzy.
The money just
melts away. Somehow I have to save up enough to pay for
my barrel of flour,
$9.25. Six or seven weeks is the longest I can make
a barrel of flour last.
I just get it paid
for when it is time to buy another one.
I had to take $2 out of my week's
money to put towards the mortgage
interest. It took the whole pension check and Pa still
had to borrow
$75. I was pretty near strapped. I had let my milkman go when he came in
Monday. I told him to wait until next week. I wonder what I'm going to do next
week. It would be wonderful to have enough money
for everything we need. No
matter how small
the opening, we just slide through somehow.
It just keeps us
drained. We used to just about have enough to get
along. Now, we can
just about beg or
borrow enough. We can not do that very
long. Our credit
will not
last. It worries me seeing no prospect
of paying back. We are
slipping instead
of climbing. After a while we may get on
a level place, get a
good grip; we may
eventually reach the top. Cheer up! Better times are
coming.
Mabel made me a new silk dress; maroon
color, plain waist and the
lower part a
figured silk. It has a jabot and
tie. Catherine says it
is a flapper
dress. It is a lot fussier than I am in
the habit of wearing.
Aunt Bridget has had her hair
bobbed! I have not seen her but I
heard she looks
very good. Even the old ladies are
taking it up.
Daddy Tom is fine. He buys 5 cents worth of peppermints every
Sunday
and has lots of
fun giving them away to the kids all week.
Last month, I had to buy four new
chairs for the dinning room. My
strenuous boys
wore out the others. I bought them in a
second hand
store. They are heavy oak chairs. I paid seven dollars for the four. The man
said they would
last a lifetime. When I said I had seven
boys, he laughed
and said he
couldn't guarantee anything with seven boys.
I am afraid we will not be able to take
our vacation at the beach.
Bridget offered me
the house but I do not feel that we can afford the
expense of the
trip. We would have to pay at least $10
each way for
transportation. Oh well, you know nothing is ever as black as
it seems. It might be
worse. I think things that seem bad are sometimes
for the best"
The above was derived from
conversations with my Dad and other
relatives with
details selected from 72 pages of my grandmother's
letter's to my
Dad, written during the time he worked in New York. Anna Cryan died
in April, 1936, at
the age of 52. James, my Dad, said that
she died of
overwork but that
she had always been a very cheerful and happy woman. My
grandfather, ten
years her senior, lived only two years following the
death of his
wife. Neither one would experience the
family's grief when
Thomas' plane was
shot down over Germany in 1945. His
eight siblings' would
have 33
children. The following two generations
number well over 50. Of the
nine children in
the story, only Gerald, Paul, Catherine and Arthur are
still living. The family gathers for a large reunion every
summer.
© Kathleen M.
Cryan
By the way, I have
permission from my big sister to post
her work on
the webRAGC
As an example of
how easy it is to lose a first cousin let me relate a
story. Around the time of the 6'th or 7'th Cryan
Cousins Convention - in the
early 80's we
(grandchildren of Anna O'Reilly Cryan's) were urged to attend
in order to learn
who Leonard Malherb - whom none of us had ever heard -
was. Apparently my Grandmother had taken in her
sister Catherine's two
children, a girl,
Catherine, age 8 and a boy, Leonard age 13.
Leonard apparently
felt quite capable
of taking care of himself and took off.
His sister found
him when they were
both adults and introduced him to his Cryan Cousins. He
showed up looking
just like all the Uncles (widow's peak, white hair, -
so maybe that's
more an O'Reilly look than a Cryan look) having become a
Professor at a
college in California and a world traveler.
Enjoy, Rosalie
Anne Gertrude Cryan
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Subject: [CRYAN-L] A Crean
connection on my O'Crean et al. database
To: CRYAN-L@rootsweb.com
Can I share the
tiniest victory yet achieved by anyone on this list?
It involves a
little griping up front, and I'm not certain it's an event
worth reporting,
but today is the first time I've seen my database REALLY
work.I've been
working to smooth out the bumps on the database I'm
assembling, saving
all the good info that comes through my phone jack, trying to
get all the info
in the same format, etc. I have no idea
on earth why I'm
doing this, but I
feel compelled to help establish some sense of "Family" for
we poor scattered
O'Crean, MacCroghan and Creaghan descendants.
And I
tend to take a
sledge hammer approach to any research ...
But today I saw
true progress. In checking an email for
some complete
stranger's
ancestors' godfather's name (see what I mean by "Waayyyy
back there"
and tiny victory) I found him in the Mormon list! Weeee doggie!
It works!So now that I've shared that little
bit of self-indulgent nonsense,
here are the
facts:
Timothy Crean,
husband of Mary Roberts and father of John (b. 1864) and
Catherine (b.
1866), of Clonmoyle District, Co. Cork was the godfather
of one of the
Radley children in 1854 in the same district.
If the godchild's
researcher contacts me with any more on this
Crean-Radley
connection, I'll post. Just in case one
of these Creans connects into
our own Crean
researchers ... Leslie
From:
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Wed, 5 May 1999 22:19:38 -0400 Subject: [CRYAN-L] What's the connection in Ballinultagh?
An exercise in speculation. To: CRYAN-L@rootsweb.com
[I heard from a
descendent of my great-grandfather's brother, who read
allabout it on
this list.]
I'm trying to
determine the connection of my line to a particular farm
inBallinultagh,
Boyle Parish, Co. Roscommon.
The oral tradition
was that our family had been on the same farm for
1200years before
my great-grandfather came to America.
But the story I
heardin Ireland,
from Cryans related by marriage, was that my gggrandfather
cameto Ballinultagh
with the Rorkes.
Something from
Kevin, I think, gave this:
Crine Burials of Boyle, Catholic
Registry:
John Cryan, Ballinultagh, d. 1855-12-24
age 36. (so born in 1819)
Brigid Cryan, Ballinultagh, d.
1852-01-??, age 74. (so born ca. 1778)
This John Cryan
died only two years before the Griffith's valuation had
mygreat-great-grandfather,
James Cryan (see below), renting in
Ballinultagh.
Ballinultagh was a small place, so John and Brigid may have lived on
thesame farm.
My
great-great-grandparents:
James CRYAN and
Honor BEIRNE married Feb. 8, 1853 in Kilfree and
Killaragt R.C.
Parish [This parish was much larger than
it is now.]
children:
Michael (b.1854,
Boyle >USA; d.1885-1936, Lowell, MA USA(?))
James (b.1859,
Boyle; d. after 1941, pr. Boyle) m. Ann Cryan (b.Brougher,Ballinafad, Co.
Sligo), no children
Hanoria c 22 Nov
1863 Boyle RC
John (b.1865,
Boyle; d. after 1941, pr. Boyle), never married
Martin (b.1861
Boyle, some records say 1864 or 1867 - that is why the
life insurance
didn't pay off when he d. 1936 Lowell, MA
USA) arrived in
Boston on 31 March
1881 aboard the ship "Palastine",
Brigid (or
"Delia") (b.1856, Boyle; d. 1941, Lowell, MA USA) m. Kinney;
Anne (b.1857, Boyle; d. Ulster?); m. Welsh or
Walsh and moved to
Ulster.
Mary Jane (b.1869,
Boyle>Lowell, MA USA>Boyle)
Eve found my
great-great-great grandparents (probably):
> The most probable parents for James CRYAN
are
> Michael CRYAN
and Bridgit FURY(various spellings)
> The names fit
those of James first two children
> children
> Anne c 20 Nov
1816 Boyle RC
> Mary c 1
April 1819 Boyle RC
> Winifred c 24
Oct 1820 Boyle RC
> Bridget c 9
Oct 1822 Boyle RC
> James c 2
July 1824 Boyle RC ***** your James ????
> Margaret c 5
April 1826 Boyle RC
> John c March 1830 (no date given)
>
Now, the question
is, does anyone have a connection between James'
familyand the John
and Brigid who died in Ballinultagh in the 1850's?
Here's some pure
speculation:
Brigid (1778-1852)
and (John?) Cryan (1770-1818)
(James?) and Anne Cryan (b. 1799 or so)
oldest son, inherits the farm
(that is, the
lease)
John Cryan (1819-1855) only
son, inherits the farm, but dies without
(male)
children Michael Cryan (b. 1800
or so) finds a lease in Sligo?,
somehow, and
raises a family
James (1824-?), oldest son,
inherits his grandfather James' farm whenJohn dies
This speculation is consistent
with James (b.1824) coming from Sligo in
the 1850's.
It is consistent
with the family on the farm for 1200 years.
It is consistent
with Eve's naming patterns (see below).
It is consistent
with traditions of inheritance, as I understand them.
(I read "The
Irish Countryman" by Arenburg(?) and found that it explained
an awful lot of
what seemed to be family nonsense; I'd very strongly
recommend it for
those of you who've traced the line as far back as Ireland.)
Does anyone have a
family that fits this speculation? Eve,
how did I do?
First son/daughter
named after Paternal Grandfather/grandmother
Second
son/daughter named after Maternal Grandfather/grandmother
Third son/daughter
named after Father's Oldest Brother/Sister
Fourth
son/daughter named after Father/Mother
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Subject:
Genealogy Book site Date:
Thu, 6 May 1999 08:03:32 -0700
To: WALSH-L@rootsweb.com
This is a great
site and if you have never checked it out, I think you
willwant to
bookmark it and visit often. This site
specializes in
Genealogy
andHistory books, Including out of print books.
http://www.higginsonbooks.com/
TTFN, Lynda
hilnders@pe.net
Lynda's Genealogy
Homepage
http://www.pe.net/~hilnders
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Subject:
[CRYAN-L] Re: Mormon list of names
To: CRYAN-L@rootsweb.com
Responding to
Dottie's question re: access to the LDS'
list:
Actually, I
transcribed a list of Crean/Crains, etc. and posted it
through the list
some time ago. I have it in a
spreadsheet ... want me to look
something up? I know not everything is there -- both
because of date
limitations,
limited locations, etc. So don't get too
hopeful ... but
I'd happily look
something up for you (or anyone). (If
you haven't posted
your research
through the mailing list yet, do it that way, just in case one
of your
as-yet-unknown cousins is subscribed and recognizes a name) ....
Leslie
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Fri, 7 May 1999 17:46:04 EDT
Subject:
[CRYAN-L] Fwd from GenIre: Re: Naturalization To:
CRYAN-L@rootsweb.com
I thought this an
interesting bit of trivia for those in the US -- I
doubt Canadians
would have had to go through this bit???
I'm always
interested in this naturalization bit because my Ggrandmom
Agnes Cryan Smyth
never naturalized in the US, although she owned property,
lived here a total
of 50+ years, and her husband naturalized ... she
maintained her
British citizenship (she left - the first time - mid-teens this
century).
Does anyone have
anything to add about naturalizations?
It's an
interesting
insight into personality, in my case, but might be just as interesting
as a history
lesson ... Leslie
Johnathan,
You raised a good
point that probably is confusing to many who are not
familiar with
Irish history. Ireland even though a
separate country
geographically, was not independent of England, it was part
of the
BritishEmpire and
thus the people of Ireland were British citizens (the great
majority-
unwilling) even though they were Irish. That is why the
naturalization
papers state:
"I do
absolutely and entirely renounce and abjure all allegiance
>and fidelity
to any foreigh Prince, Potentate, State or Sovereignty
>whattever; and
particularly to the Queen of the United Kingdom of
Great>Britian
and Ireland of whom I was before a subject".
My Grandfather's
naturalization papers in 1898 also had"
Victoria
Queen ofGreat
Britain, Ireland and Empress of India".
I have a
georgraphy book that belonged to one of my Irish grandmothers.
Shelived in County Down and the book was
printed in 1893.
Ireland was listed as part of the British Islands -
"The United
Kingdom ofGreat
Britain and Ireland consists of a large group of islands,
situated inthe
North Atlantic Ocean, near the estern coast of Central Europe.
The area is
121,607 square miles; the population in 1891 was
37,740,283.
Relgions - There
are in the British Islands about 32 millions of
Protestantsof
various denominations, and 5 1/2 millions of Roman Catholics"
(mostly theIrish).
It goes onto refer
to the Dominion of Canada as British America.
It is
fascinating
reading. It even has the population of
many Irish cities
in1891. Part of
your question is answered in the statement in the book
thatsays:
"The British
Empire is the largest and except China, the most populous
inthe world. It has been truly said that "the sun
never sets on the
Queen'sdominions,"
for we have possessions in Europe, Asia, Africa, America
andAustralia. The area of the British Empire is more than
11 millions of
square miles,
almost one fifth of all the land on the surface of the
earth.The
population exceeds 366 millions more than one fourth of the
estimatedinhabitants
of the earth"
So, since your
relative left Ireland before Home Rule and Independence,
hewas a British
subject thus the formal renouncing of the foreign ruler
ofGreat
Britain.Siochain (peace)Margaret (Miaread)
>Barney
Tyrwhitt Drake wrote:
>>Barney,
nice sketch of what was going on in labor migrations trends
at the>time.
Thanks for such an informative piece.
>>The
paragraph above which you wrote caught my eye, particularly the
>line..."many
more people today who think of themselves as English or
Scots>have more
than a little Irish ancestry".
>>On my
grandfathers US naturalization certificate of 1875, the King´s
county>of the
State of New York confers US citizenship on my grandfather with
the>final
wording...
>>QUOTE :
"I do absolutely and entirely renounce and abjure all
allegiance>and
fidelity to any foreigh Prince, Potentate, State or Sovereignty
>whattever; and
particularly to the Queen of the United Kingdom of
Great>Britian
and Ireland of whom I was before a subject". ENDQUOTE
>>My
grandfather SAID on his marriage
certificate he was from England
(not>that he
was English...that he was FROM ENGLAND). This is different
from all>the
family saying he and his ancesters were Irish (he was John James
>Molloy, born
of John Molloy and Katherine Harnet...seems that the
Irish
was>certainly in the names, to be sure!).
>>Why does a
document such as a US naturalization document lump the
Queen of>the
United Kingdom of Great Britain and Ireland all together? (this is
my>ignorance of
history asking you). If one was of Irish blood and
ancestry>and
coming from a geographic area considered as Ireland, speaking in
the>stricter
geographic terms you have more or less discussed in your
>explanations,
was one considered still and all to be a British
(English)>subject
as though to say one possessed or had the right ot possess an
>English
passport?
>What was the
likelihood of an Irish person, who may have migrated
first
to>England before moving on to North America, to have been documented
>(passport or
other personal but legal document of the times when the
Irish>migrated)
as an Irish "citizen" or as a British "citizen"...I´ll not
use>the word
subject here, although it may have a bearing, I do not know?
>>Perhaps
this is all a bit hypothetical. Well, it certainly is in my
case>for the
moment, since I have not been able to trace my grandfather
back to>times
earlier that this 1875 naturalization document.
I am convinced
I>will
eventually find he was born of Irish blood and geographical
origins,>so I
wanted to get a feel for the times: "all the same but separate
and>unequal"
or "all the same and all equal" aspects, for example, either
>legally or
however.>Hope I have not been too confusing? I´m somewhat confused myself,
so
excuse>me if my
questions are not the right ones to ask.
>>Thanks for
trying to shed some light for me.. Regards. Jonathan Smith
>>SENDER´S
NAME: Jonathan E. Smith
>Email:
jonathansmith@infosel.net.mx
From: JudyBruce@aol.com | Add to Address Book | Block address Date:
Fri, 7 May 1999 22:49:35 EDT Subject: [CRYAN-L] (no subject) To:
CRYAN-L@rootsweb.com
Hi Cryan
listers..my name is Judy and I too like that rest of you are
looking for info
on the surname Cryan... I have been in contact via private
email with Roger
Cryan from this list and it looks like his Martin Cryan is a
brother to my
Michael John Cryan who in the late 1800's came from
Ireland to Lowell,
MA. I have not had the time to read all
the back archives from
this list. As I do
and if I make connections anywhere or can help others
make connections
from what info I have on hand I will let you know. Here is
a start to my
search.... looking for ancestors or descendants either one.
James Cryan and
Hanoria Bierne married in Ireland and had: (Now know
there were other
children)
Michael John Cryan born 1855 died 20 Aug 1929
in Columbus, Franklin
Co, OH. He
married 16 Sept 1883 in Lowell, MA to
Ellen Margaret Meehan a girl
from Sligo Co,
Ire. In Lowell. .He left Lowell at some point came to
Woonsocket, RI
where he stayed a few years and then went on to Ohio at the urging
of one of his
children most likely James. (I hear an electrician by
trade….maybe
learned from his Uncle James the electrician?)
On those papers it
stated Michael
Cryan was a grocer and on Michael
Reilly's was a butcher I
guess the store on
Market St was somewhat of a joint venture. Michael Reilly
was John F.
Reilly's father (below) he was a witness on Michael Cryan's
naturalization
papers.
Mary Honara Cryan
born 6 Dec 1884 married John F. Reilly and had 5
children. (These
are my grandparents) There children were Paul 1915, Mary J.
1916,
John F. 1918, Leonard B. (my dad) 1922 and Helen M. 1927
(only Helen
survives at this
time.)
Anne T. Cryan Sep
1886 never married
James May 1888 married but a lost twig….. family
history says he was
an electrician and
moved to near Toledo, OH. Have never really looked in
earnest for him
although there are Cryans in that area. This is the son that
urged to family to
leave Woonsocket, RI and join him in the Midwest. All of them
went there with
the exception of my grandmother who stayed in Woonsocket
with her husband
John Reilly. (Would love to find this branch!)
Ella M. 28 Dec
1889/93 never married
Frances L. 5 Aug
1894 married a Leo Peter Duplisses but was struck with
crippling
arthritis and spent most of her life in a nursing home.
William H. 15 Nov
1895 was told he never married but found a newspaper
article that said
he was.
Hope we can help
each other out... thanks.
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Organization: Family Spackman Subject: [CRYAN-L] Naturalisation and
Origins To: CRYAN-L@rootsweb.com
Just a word
concerning nationality in Ireland.
Just like USA
people in Ireland are from a great mixture of origins.
Therehas been
constant toing and froing from England ,Wales, Scotland ,
Scandinavia,
France ,Germany ,Spain and Portugal since very early times
because of the
proximity. St Patrick abt 390 - 461 AD was
Romano-British
andtaken captive to Ireland c 405 AD. He then escaped and went to France
andreturned to
Ireland as a missionary about 432 AD after being ordained a
priest. There were
settlement movements from England in the 1300s
particularly to
the Cork area and to the Dublin area . Recently found
outside Dublin and
being excavated is a Roman Settlement/port ( c 100 -
200AD) linked with
Holyhead in Wales (now a ferry port). The Costello clan
aresupposed to
have originated in Spain having come about the time of the
Spanish Armada
about 1630 or so.
It was after the
harsh anti Catholic laws of Cromwell's time and
particularly after
the Battle of the Boyne in William of Orange.s reign
(1690) when
Catholic land was confiscated and many were forced to the
westthat a feeling
of outrage developed a feeling of nationhood.
It then poses the
question "What does it mean to have Irish roots ?"
Perhaps there are
deeper layers to the rooting system.
Eve
Date: Mon, 10 May 1999 23:37:40 -0400
From:
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Subject:
[CRYAN-L] John CRYAN and wife Mary FARRELL To:
CRYAN-L@rootsweb.com
Hello everyone,
I am new to the
list, but I am looking for information about John CRYAN
andhis wife Mary
F. FARRELL who died in NYC 20 Oct 1938.
Below is
informationI have
on his family through 3 generations.
Does this match and other
researchers
information. I would look forward to any
feedback or
information.Matt
Weismantel
First Generation
1. John CRYAN.
John married Mary
F. FARRELL. Mary F. died on 20 Oct 1938 in New YorkCity.
They had the
following children:
2 i. Mary Teresa (1882-1941)
3 ii. Belle
4 iii. John
5 iv. Agnes
6 v. William
7 vi. Thomas
Second Generation
2. Mary Teresa
CRYAN. Born on 16 Dec 1882 in Bronx, New York. Mary
Teresadied in
Queens, New York on 18 Oct 1941; she was 58. Buried in St.
JohnsCemetery,
Queens Borough, New York. Occupation: Homemaker.
On 25 Nov 1903 when
Mary Teresa was 20, she married Patrick BURKE, son
ofJohn BURKE &
Esther BENNET, in St. Jeromes Church, New York, New York.
Bornon 2 Mar 1872
in Birr, County Offaly, Diocese Kellaloe, Ireland.
Patrickdied in
115-80 219th Street, Cambria Heights, Queens, New York on 30
Nov1945; he was
73.
They had the
following children:
8 i. William Jerome (1910-1966)
9 ii. Thomas Ignatius (1907-1973)
10 iii. John Joseph (1908-1976)
11 iv. Patrick R. (1905-1905)
3. Belle CRYAN.
Occupation: School Principle in Brooklyn, NY (around
St.George Hotel).
4. John CRYAN.
5. Agnes CRYAN.
Occupation: Nun.
6. William CRYAN.
William married ?.
They had one
child:
12 i. William
7. Thomas CRYAN.
Thomas married ?.
They had one
child:
13 i. Patricia
Third Generation
8. William Jerome
BURKE. Born on 30 Apr 1910 in Brooklyn, New York.
WilliamJerome died
in Winfield Park, New Jersey on 24 Mar 1966; he was 55.
Buriedin St.
Gertrudes Cemetary, Colonia, NJ. Occupation: Kearny Ship Yards/
NJDepartment of
Transportation. Education: 8th Grade.
On 18 Jun 1936
when William Jerome was 26, he married Leona Harriot
MORRIS,daughter of
Harry Norton MORRIS & Mae Louise CARR, in St. Sylvester
Church,Brooklyn,
New York. Born on 15 May 1917 in Brooklyn, New York.
They had one
child:
i. Mary Louise (1938-)
9. Thomas Ignatius
BURKE. Born on 26 Oct 1907 in Bronx, New York.
ThomasIgnatius
died in 2463 Gulf to Bay Blvd., Clearwater, Florida on 2 Oct
1973;he was 65.
On 16 Jul 1932
when Thomas Ignatius was 24, he married Mildred
CatherineROBINSON,
daughter of William Alfred ROBINSON III & Catherine SAUTTER,
inOffice of the
City Clerk, Queens, New York. Born in 1911. Mildred
Catherinedied in
Clearwater, Florida on 2 Jul 1982; she was 71.
They had one
child:
i. Audrey Jacqueline (1935-)
10. John Joseph
BURKE. Born on 15 Sep 1908. John Joseph died on 5 Nov
1976;he was 68.
On 22 Aug 1936
when John Joseph was 27, he married Margaret DARIUS.
Theywere divorced.
11. Patrick R.
BURKE. Born on 3 Oct 1905. Patrick R. died on 10 Oct
1905.
12. William CRYAN.
13. Patricia
CRYAN.
Date: Tue, 11 May 1999 18:21:06 +1000 From:
lsimpson@effect.net.au (George Simpson)
| Add to Address Book | Block address Subject: [CRYAN-L] John Creegan (b. abt. 1830,
Co. Louth)
To:
CRYAN-L@rootsweb.com
Dear Cryan Listers
I am trying from
Australia (not very successfully) to research
the forebears of
my husband's American family.
I am looking for a
family of Creegans possibly from Drogheda,
County Louth.
There were several brothers and possibly a set of
twins. At least
three of these brothers left Ireland for far-
flung places, with
one travelling to Australia (and was never
heard from again!)
John bought half
of a joint ticket on board the Annapolis and
arrived in
Baltimore in 1854. The ticket was owned by Catherine
and Hugh McCann
(brother and sister from Co. Armagh). John is
listed on the NARA
Passenger List as Hugh McCann, but at the
last minute Hugh
could not travel and so his ticket was sold
to John. It is
thought that John's parents were dead by the time
he left Ireland.
If I follow the
Irish naming conventions, then I may be looking for
a Michael and
Catherine Creegan with (at least) sons John and William.
Any help you can
give me would be great, including assistance on
how to track these
people down from Australia!
ThanksLynne
SimpsonCanberra Australia
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Spackman Subject: [CRYAN-L] Re John CRYAN and Mary
FARRELL To: CRYAN-L@rootsweb.com
Hi Mathew,
Welcome, I am glad
that you have posted your family of CRYANs.
As one of the
CRYANs from England, we find that we come together in our
Irish roots.John
CRYAN and Mary FARRELL are both common names so we need a few more
clues in order to
go any further back.
Their first child
was born in 1882 so that it is most probable that
theywere aged 18
or over. That gives the fact that they were born before
1864.Mary died in
1938 but no age given so if she were in her 80s she would
havebeen born
1848-58 or in her 70s 1858-68 thus can not be younger than
74.She could not
have been older than about 45 when she had her youngest
childfor which
there are no dates given but at a guess would be about 10
yearsafter the
first. She then could not have been older than 35 in 1882 so
couldnot have been
born before 1847.Thus Mary FARRELL was born between 1847 and 1864
Although the man
has a much wider range of age possibilities ,it is
likelythat John
was born during this period also.
>From the usual
Irish naming patterns it is possible that John's
parents
werecalled John and Mary (first son and
daughter's names.) and that Mary's
parents were
Teresa or Belle and William.Do note that this is only a possibility, no more.
Naming patterns werestrong in Ireland but often lost in a new country and
towards 1900.
(Johnis a common
CRYAN name but William is not)
The best place for
more information at this stage would be the 1890/1
USAcensus which
should give the children to that date and their ages, the
parents' ages
,where they were living, and possibly where they were
born(mine in the
British 1881 census just give Ireland) but it may give the
county in
Ireland.I think that you can also view the 1901 census in the USA which will
givefurther
information.
The USA members of
the group will explain where to view the censuses.
Good luck and
happy hunting.............. perhaps you
will find deeper
roots...........
between us we have quite a lot of Irish records so
couldhelp further
with a little more detail.Nearly all CRYANs come from the districts around the
borders of thecountiesRoscommon, Sligo and Mayo in Ireland. Other name
variations are found
elsewhere.Eve
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From: Fatarm@aol.com | Add to Address Book | Block address Date: Tue, 20 Apr 1999 11:19:45 EDT
Reply-To: Fatarm@aol.com Subject: [CRYAN-L] Dublin Directory, 1850
To: CRYAN-L@rootsweb.com
Again, from
Gen-Ire (Sunday) -- I ought to start doing some original
research! But GenIre mail is a good read, and full of
gems like this
one. A woman named Trish posted that she has been
transcribing the Dublin City
Directory, and the
below pages are her efforts (not quite finished, butnearly there, I believe). -Leslie
http://homepage.tinet.ie/~plough/dubdir.html
Dublin City
Directory of 1850
http://homepage.tinet.ie/~plough/lordmayor.html
Lord Mayors of
Dublin (1726-1924)
http://homepage.tinet.ie/~plough/placenames.html
Meanings of Irish
place names