Date: Tue, 2 Feb 1999 04:01:39 -0800
(PST) From: Caoimhghin O Croidheain
<caoimhghin@yahoo.com>Add to Address Book Subject: [CRYAN-L] Charles Cryan To:
CRYAN-L@rootsweb.com
Hi
The following is a
letter (or version of) sent by email to the Bognor
Regis tourism and
the Family Record Centre about a week ago. I have
yet to get a reply
from either. Has anyone any advice regarding how to
go about finding information on Charles - particularly
those
researchers living
in
Dear Sir or Madam,
I was wondering if
you could you help me. I am trying to trace my
father's cousin
Charles Cryan. In our last contact with him he said he
was working in a
pub in Bognor Regis in the late 70's and early 80's.
He was born on the
14th May 1939. We are still not sure but we think
he might have
moved back to
1997) and would
like to find out if his death was registered and where
he is buried.
Would it be possible to get a list of the pubs of Bognor
Regis and the
names of popular local newspapers that I could write to
for information or
recollections of the local people? He trained as an
actor for a while
and may have joined the Paras for a short period. I
know that this is
very vague but it came as a shock to us to hear that
he may be dead and
we would like to find out any information about his
life.Yours
sincerely,Kevin Cryan
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From: "Family History" <
>Add to Address Book
Date: Wed, 3 Feb 1999 10:33:08 -0000 Subject: [CRYAN-L] Charles CRYAN
To: CRYAN-L@rootsweb.com
Hi,
It is necessary by
law in
isreleased for
"disposal" ie burial, cremation, or even transport back to
TheFHC in
will provide a
certificate for payment - now £7.50 per certificate(I
think).The
application form I have here requires the index number or if one is
unsure about the
index number on the back is a space for
other details
likedate of
birth(if died after June 1969), place of death, date of
death,etc.Here in
Dublin.I am also
not sure how quickly the books of indexes are put onto the
shelves. If they
are there, I will certainly look it up when I next go
toMyddleton place
,as I am planning to in the next month. If there is
only oneCharles
Cryan during the period, there is no problem but if more than
one,what can one
do?(private e-mail)
All our major
libraries here in
holdtelephone
directories and Yellow Pages. I would think that they should
beavailable in
tolook for
information about Bognor Regis. However I think that the
touristoffice will
eventually reply with the town brochure which should give
thelocal
newspapers and their addresses.
Service records -
I am sure that I have seen something about that
somewhere.I will
enquire but a good starting place would be to enter "Public
RecordsOffice"
into one of the search engines - probably Yahoo or Altavista are
best for this but
even better Dogpile which searches all the other
searchengines at
http://www.dogpile.com
Will speak to you
again Eve
Reply-To: "Family History" <
> From: "Family History" <
>Add to Address Book Date: Wed, 3 Feb 1999 11:27:48 -0000 Subject:
[CRYAN-L] Sites to try To: CRYAN-L@rootsweb.com
The "Local
Ireland" site for Co Roscommon seems to have grown and there
aresome attractive
photographs
do try
http://ireland.iol.ie/~boylecoc/ for the Boyle Chamber of
Commercelinked
site Eve
From: Bognor Regis Town Council
<bognortc@arunet.co.uk>Add to Address Book
To:
"'caoimhghin@yahoo.com'" <caoimhghin@yahoo.com>
Subject: Charles Cryan
Date:
Thu, 4 Feb 1999 16:24:29 -0100
Dear Mr. Cryan,
Thank you for your
email.
I have looked
through the telephone directory for you as we don't
actually hold
lists of this sort of information within the Town Council and have
found a couple of
addresses and telephone numbers of local public
houses for you.I
have also enclosed the address of the local newspaper below.
I hope this
information is of some use to you.
The William
Hardwicke,
12, High Street,
Hatters Inn,
2, Queensway,
The Alex,
56,
The Steyne,
1, The Steyne,
The Bognor Regis
Observer (Local Newspaper)
14,
Yours sincerely,Claire
Geary
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Date: Mon, 8 Feb 1999 04:57:06 -0800
(PST) From: Caoimhghin O Croidheain
<caoimhghin@yahoo.com>Add to Address Book Subject: [CRYAN-L] Leitrim-Cryans
To:
CRYAN-L@rootsweb.com
Hi
This is a
discovery I made going through various links. I give address
for Leitrim page
which contains much general info plus a Cryan link
under Leitrim
surnames which included the following...
http://www.rootsweb.com/~irllet/index.htm
http://cgi.rootsweb.com/~genbbs/genbbs.cgi/Ireland/Leitrim?read=1878
Posted by Jean
Rice <jeanrice@cet.com> on Sun, 17 Jan 1999, in
response to Irish
Surnames Found In Particular
Counties Almost
Exclusively, posted by Jean Rice on Sat, 16 Jan 1999
Kevin Cryan of
Dublin, Ireland has compiled large databases of Cryan information, according to
his article in "Irish Roots" magazine, 1998. His gggrandfather was
John Cryan who married Margaret Dolan in Boyle, Co. Roscommon in 1858 and spent
his life in Croghan about five miles south of Boyle, working as a National
School teacher, (Master Cryan); his death was in 1906. Kevin invites all Cryan
families to contact him at 44 St. Columba's Rise, Swords, Co. Dublin, Ireland:
e-mail: 94971455@tolka.dcu.ie. Home Number: 01 8403745. Minicall: 1550 177432.
He has in his possession a list of all Cryan deaths (in Ireland) since 1864
(when the civil records began) from the Registry of Births, Deaths and
Marriages. He has a list of Cryan and variants from Boyle Catholic Registers
1793-1833 (mainly baptisms). He has Memorials of Deeds related to Cryan
and Crean of
Counties Roscommon and Sligo 1747-1884. He has Entries for Cryan from Croghan
Catholic parish registers 1814-1899 (baptisms) He has famine immigration list
(Cryan and variants) arriving at Port of New York 1846-1851. Finally, he has
entries for Cryan in valuation lists, Boyle 1858-1871. He states in his article
that he would like you to contact him to help him in researching his own
family, to exchange Cryan information and material and to evoke an interest in
Cryan genealogy and research. He says other good resources are Sligo Heritage
and Genealogical Centre, Stephens Street, Sligo, and the Roscommon Heritage and
Genealogical Centre, Strokestown, County Roscommon.
More to follow at
this Co. Leitrim Queries website -
(Ignore Email
address and minicall number) Regards Caoimhghin
Hi
Actually I was
delighted that you took the time to put the article onto the web page. Could
you take out the email address and Minicall number? Iam using caoimhghin@yahoo.com for about a year now and I don’t have the
minicall anymore. Also there is the Cryan plus variants mailing list at CRYAN-L@rootsweb.com which would be great to publicise.
Keep up the good
work.
Regards,
Kevin Cryan
rom: ljstandak@webtv.net (Lyle Staehnke)Add
to Address Book Date: Sat, 6 Feb 1999 13:22:03 -0800 (PST)
Subject: [CRYAN-L] RE:Creane--
Crean To: CRYAN-L@rootsweb.com
For those looking
up Creane this could be interresting,and for others if
you return to the
home page listed on the bottom of this site..
--WebTV-Mail-1626834185-81
X-URL-Title:
http://idt.net/~unatg/cencrean.htm
http://idt.net/~unatg/cencrean.htm
Date:
Sun, 07 Feb 1999 11:14:15 -0800
To:
caoimhghin@yahoo.com From: Jean Rice <jeanrice@cet.com>Add
to Address Book Subject: Cryans
Dear David, I am so RELIEVED you were angry with me
for not checking
withyou first!!!
I have also been trying to connect non-Internet queries in
magazines to Internet genealogists, been posting some
Mormon data and
playing "fast and loose" with portions of
copyrighted material - have
beenable to successfully help others, but am always
worried that I have
takentoo many liberties and gone too far. I am good advertising for that
wonderful "Irish Roots" magazine and the information people can
obtain
atthe LDS FHCs, so hope I do more good than not! Jean
Date:
Mon, 8 Feb 1999 04:57:06 -0800 (PST)
From:
Caoimhghin O Croidheain <caoimhghin@yahoo.com>Add to Address Book
Subject: [CRYAN-L] Leitrim-Cryans To:
CRYAN-L@rootsweb.com
Hi
This is a discovery I made going through various
links. I give address
for Leitrim page which contains much general info plus
a Cryan link
under Leitrim surnames which included the following...
http://www.rootsweb.com/~irllet/index.htm
http://cgi.rootsweb.com/~genbbs/genbbs.cgi/Ireland/Leitrim?read=1878
Posted by Jean Rice <jeanrice@cet.com> on Sun,
17 Jan 1999, in
response to Irish Surnames Found In Particular
Counties Almost Exclusively, posted by Jean Rice
on Sat, 16 Jan 1999
Kevin Cryan of Dublin, Ireland has compiled large
databases of Cryan
information, according to his article in "Irish
Roots"
magazine, 1998. His gggrandfather was John Cryan who
married Margaret
Dolan in Boyle, Co. Roscommon in 1858 and
spent his life in Croghan about five miles south of
Boyle, working as
a National School teacher, (Master Cryan); his death
was
in 1906. Kevin invites all Cryan families to contact
him at 44 St.
Columba's Rise, Swords, Co. Dublin, Ireland: e-mail:
94971455@tolka.dcu.ie. Home Number: 01 8403745.
Minicall: 1550 177432.
He has in his possession a list of all Cryan
deaths (in Ireland) since 1864 (when the civil records
began) from the
Registry of Births, Deaths and Marriages. He has a
list of
Cryan and variants from Boyle Catholic Registers 1793-1833
(mainly
baptisms). He has Memorials of Deeds related to Cryan
and Crean of Counties Roscommon and Sligo 1747-1884.
He has Entries
for Cryan from Croghan Catholic parish registers
1814-1899 (baptisms) He has famine immigration list
(Cryan and
variants) arriving at Port of New York 1846-1851.
Finally,
he has entries for Cryan in valuation lists, Boyle
1858-1871. He
states in his article that he would like you to
contact him to
help him in researching his own family, to exchange
Cryan information
and material and to evoke an interest in Cryan
genealogy
and research. He says other good resources are Sligo
Heritage and
Genealogical Centre, Stephens Street, Sligo, and the
Roscommon Heritage and Genealogical Centre,
Strokestown, County
Roscommon.
More to follow at this Co. Leitrim Queries website
-(Ignore Email address and minicall number)
Regards Caoimhghin
Date:
Mon, 8 Feb 1999 05:56:43 -0800
To: caoimhghin@yahoo.com
From:
queryanswer@SEE.MESSAGE.FOR.ADDRESSAdd to Address Book
Subject:
Response to Your Leitrim Ireland Queries Post
Leitrim Ireland
Queries
A new message,
"Cryan Family," was posted by Barbara Keaney Wicks on
Mon,08 Feb
1999 It is a response to your post,
"Cryans," of Sun, 07 Feb
1999
This is an
automatically-generated notice. If you
wish to respond to
thismessage,
please post your response directly to the Leitrim Ireland
Queries:<http://cgi.rootsweb.com/~genbbs/genbbs.cgi/Ireland/Leitrim>
Thank you!
Cryan Family
Posted by Barbara Keaney Wicks <lb3105@aol.com>
on Mon, 08 Feb 1999, in response to Cryans, posted by Kevin Cryan on
Sun, 07 Feb 1999
Surnames: Anne Cryan, James Cryan, Mary Foley
Cryan, John Keaney, Margaret Flynn, Francis J Keaney, Anne Keaney
Trying to locate
any birth, death, marriage records for the above relatives. I have my
Grandmother's birth certificate. Anne
Cryan was born in
Boyle, Co. Roscommon, Ireland on April 4, 1869. Her parents were listed as:
James Cryan and MaryFoley. Also residing in Boyle, Co. Roscommon.
My grandmother
later married: Francis J. Keaney, who was from Riverstown, Co. Sligo. His
Parents were John Keaney andMargaret Flynn also from Co. Sligo, Ireland.
Date: Tue, 09 Feb 1999 14:12:26 -0800 To:
Caoimhghin O Croidheain <caoimhghin@yahoo.com>
From:
Jean Rice <jeanrice@cet.com>Add to Address Book Subject: Re: Cryans
Hi Kevin, Me
again. Is that you wonderful Irish name
above or is it a
phrase? I'd be interested to know. I sent an e-mail to the host of the
Co. Leitrim
website, Don Kelly. He said that he is
not able to alter
anyinformation in
a post, only delete the entire post. He
suggested that
either you or I
place another one post connected to it and/or at the
top ofthe Co.
Leitrim website, (with Cryan entered in the spot for the Surname
List) with your
updated information and news about the Cryan mailing
list.Do you want
to do this? Jean
At 05:20 AM 2/8/99
-0800, you wrote:
>Hi
>Actually I was
delighted that you took the time to put the article
>onto the web
page. Could you take out the email address and Minicall
>number? Iam
using caoimhghin@yahoo.com for about a year now and I
>don't have the
minicall anymore. Also there is the Cryan plus variants
>mailing list
at CRYAN-L@rootsweb.com which would be great to publicise.
>Keep up the
good work.
>Regards,
>Kevin Cryan
From: LB3105@aol.comAdd to Address Book Date:
Tue, 9 Feb 1999 20:11:45 EST
To:
caoimhghin@yahoo.com Subject:
Re: cryans
Hi Kevin,
I am already on the Cryan Mailing List
& have started to receive some
e-mailfrom
them. Thanking in advance, for you for
sending me the file &
informationabout
the Cryan's. I'm sure there is some
facts that I can use in it
I visited Dublin some years ago. Fell in love with Ireland on that
trip.Plan to go
back again someday. Looking
forward to hearing from you again.
Barbara
Date: Tue, 09 Feb 1999 14:12:26 -0800 To:
Caoimhghin O Croidheain <caoimhghin@yahoo.com>
From:
Jean Rice <jeanrice@cet.com>Add to Address Book Subject:
Re: Cryans
Hi Kevin, Me
again. Is that you wonderful Irish name
above or is it a
phrase? I'd be interested to know. I sent an e-mail to the host of the
Co. Leitrim
website, Don Kelly. He said that he is
not able to alter
anyinformation in
a post, only delete the entire post. He
suggested that
either you or I
place another one post connected to it and/or at the
top ofthe Co.
Leitrim website, (with Cryan entered in the spot for the Surname
List) with your
updated information and news about the Cryan mailing
list.Do you want
to do this? Jean
From: LB3105@aol.comAdd to Address Book Date:
Thu, 11 Feb 1999 08:44:11 EST
To:
caoimhghin@yahoo.com Subject:
Fwd: cryans
Hi Kevin,
No i did not know that the Cryan's had
a seachable Archive List. I
will tryto find it
. My Grandmother's name was Anne
Cryan, b: April 4, 1869 (I do have a
copy ofher birth
certificatefrom Dublin, Ireland).
Her parents: James Cryan listed as a sailor on her birth record &
MaryFoley. from
Boyle, Co. Roscommon. I would like
to find out more information on James & Mary Cryan. Marriagerecord, birth
or babtismal record, death record? They
were from Boyle,
Co.Roscommon &
Co. Sligo. At the time, there residence
of information was
listedas
Temfleany, Sligo? Not sure where this is
exactly or if I have it
spelledright. Does it sound famalier to you? I am looking forward to reciving your
text file. I will download itto
mycomputer to research. it.
How many names do you now have on your
data base? I have 101 most of
themare
Keaney's. My grandmother, Anne Cryan,
m: Francis J. Keaney, he
was alsofrom
Riverstown, Co. Sligo. On the map of
Ireland that I have, the two
towns(Riverstown
& Boyle) look fairly close in distance.
They probably grew
uptogether. I remember my mother telling me that she was
his childhood
sweethearts. After
my greandfather emmigrated to America in 1884, a
year laterhe sent
for Anne and they were married in New York City.
Thanks again for all of your help.
Barbara Wicks
To: caoimhghin@yahoo.com Date:
Fri, 12 Feb 1999 10:36:53 -0600
Subject:
Searching From: Carole C Wagner <cwagner5@juno.com>Add
to Address Book
Hi,
I was asked by a
gal who got your message re Cryan deaths if I would
write to you since
we are both searching for the same ancestor. She
worksand is quite
busy. She knows I am retired, but I have more than 8-5
hours. Anyway,
that is all just a little humorous aside.
We are searching
for a Michael Crehan, born in Ireland, March 5, 1852.
Weknow that his
father was also named Michael. Now all this is a real shot
in the dark,
because we don't know where in Ireland he was born. Had a
closed mouth
family and unfortunately anyone who might have known
something has
passed on.I realize you said Cryan, but we are wondering if the name Crehan
might
have popped up
somewhere. Just have a gut feeling that the spelling was
never changed, but
then who knows?Thanks for "listening" and any help if you have it.
Carole Wagner
From:
LB3105@aol.comAdd to Address Book
Date: Sun, 14 Feb 1999
15:16:57 EST
To:
caoimhghin@yahoo.com Subject:
I un-zipped the mimi file
H Kevin, Just wanted you to know that I was able
to un-zip the mime.file you
sent. Ihave really enjoyed reading it. Sure there
is a record for my Great
Grandfather's
death, James Cryan. Thanks again
for sharing this file with yet another relative. (From my
research the
Keaney's & Cryan's were close families in Boyle.) Thisinformation may be of
interest to you in your research, so I'm
passingiton..
A message I
recently received from my "Geneagolgy Report".in Salt Lake
City,Utah:
Barbara:
"I checked
the birth record of Anne Cryan, b: April 4, 1869 in our
filmedIrish
birthrecords and learned she was born in the townland of Templevaney in the
civil parish of
Toomour. Her father's occupation is
tailor. (Note: it
is not uncommon
for errors to be made in the transcribing of
records--that is
why I suggest to clients that they get a photocopy of
anentry rather
than a certificate which increases the chance of
transcription
errors.) This area is contained in the
Catholic parish of
Drumrat. The records for this parish begin after the
birth of Anne
Cryan. Ichecked for several years but did not find
any other children listed for
James Cryan and
Mary Foley (her parents)in the parish baptism records.
Thisarea is quite
close to where your Keaney family resided.
I wonder if
thereisn'ta
relationship between the families given the fact that there appears to
be an aunt named
Mary Cryan in the Keaney family.
I also checked the
civil registration marriage indexes from 1864 through
1869 but did not find
a marriage record for a couple by this name.
Thereis an entry
for a James Cryan in 1868 that I need to check although
therewas no
corresponding entry for Mary Foley.
Since the marriage entries
for that parish
also began after the birth of Anne and church records
were the source of
the civil registration marriage records, it may be
that no marriage
record will be found."
Thanks again
Kevin. Let's stay in touch.
Barbara Keaney Wicks
From: "Michael Tobin"
<tobinmi@hotmail.com>Add to Address Book
Date:
Mon, 15 Feb 1999 11:13:32 PST
Subject: [CRYAN-L] Keash
researcher
To:
CRYAN-L@rootsweb.com
For those of us
who are researching in the Keash area or in the
adjoining Boyle
area, I was recently contacted by a John Brehany who is
originally from
Keash and who is in the process of setting up a Keash
Website.
His email address
is john@brehany.freeserve.co.uk if any of you are
interesting in
contacting him. I think that initially his Keash Website
will be mainly dealing
with the natural features of the area.
I will post
details of the site here in any case, when its available.
John has alot of
information on his own Brehany ancestors. What is very
interesting for
any of us with Keash connections in this area, is that
John's information
on his name goes back to the Cromwellian plantation
when his family
were transplanted from Cork to Keash.
This raises the
possibility that other families in the area were also
transplanted
there, including the many seemingly unrelated families of
Cryans??? Note
that John's research doesn't suggest this - I'm just
speculating on
it.regardsMichael
Reply-To: "Family History" < >
From: "Family History" <
>Add to Address Book
Date: Mon, 15 Feb 1999 22:54:15 -0000 Subject: [CRYAN-L] Keash Parish
To: CRYAN-L@rootsweb.com
Thank you Michael,
for the information concerning Keash. I have written
concerning Daniel
CRYAN of Tully who married Mary BREHANY with Pat
BREHANYand John
CRYAN as witnesses.
We will see.Did I
reply to you about the Keash Parish records? I took a photocopy of
nearly all the
film which is a photograph of the original parish book.
Therefore if it
was not on the film (and there are mistakes or
omissions) Ihave
no way of knowing what is in the parish book.
Until again - Eve
Date: Tue, 16 Feb 1999 10:10:02 -0800
(PST) From: Caoimhghin O Croidheain
<caoimhghin@yahoo.com>Add to Address Book Subject: [CRYAN-L] Ireland
To:
CRYAN-L@rootsweb.com
Hi
I am sending some
sections from my bibliography re.Ireland. Happy
reading....caoimhghin
GENEALOGY - LOCAL
HISTORY
Begley, Donal F.
Irish Genealogy: A Record Finder. Dublin: Heraldic
Artists Ltd,
1987.*
Grehan, Ida. The
Dictionary of Irish Family Names. Ranelagh: Roberts
Rinehart
Publishers, 1997.#
Grenham, John.
Tracing Your Irish Ancestors: The Complete Guide.
Dublin: Gill and
Macmillan Ltd., 1992.
Herlihy, Jim. The
Royal Irish Constabulary: A Short History and
Genealogical
Guide. Dublin: Four Courts Press, 1997.*
MacLysaght,
Edward. The Surnames of Ireland. Blackrock: Irish Academic
Press, 1985.*
Mc Ternan, John.
Olde Sligoe: Aspects of Town and County over 750
Years. Sligo:
Avena Publications, 1995.
Ó Corráin,
Donnchadh and Fidelma Maguire. Gaelic Personal Names.
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Room, Adrian. A
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Press Ltd., 1988.*
Date: Thu, 18 Feb 1999 03:35:29 -0800
(PST) From: Caoimhghin O Croidheain
<caoimhghin@yahoo.com>Add to Address Book Subject: [CRYAN-L] 1918
To:
CRYAN-L@rootsweb.com
HiJust a little
taste of my grandfather's diary. He was a WirelessOperator in the Merchant
Navy.
Caoimhghin
THE DIARY OF William J. CRYAN 1918
WESTERN OCEAN.
September 27th
Friday
13th day of voyage
from Norfolk. 36th day of voyage from Demerara.
Weather today
cold, strong cold wind and swell. Today in Latitude of
Lands End and
about 30 Longitude. Left off cold sea water baths today.
Tonight, wet and
cold and very dark. Heavy sea. About 1300 miles from
Liverpool.
September 28th
Saturday
14th day of voyage
from Norfolk. 37th day of voyage from Demerara.
Forenoon, weather
cold, hard wind. Afternoon, boat drill. Today in
Latitude of
Holyhead, Latitude 52 North and 28 West. Expect to arrive
in Liverpool
midnight Thursday next. After Tea, in Sleeping Room. 3rd
and 4th Engineers.
Night watch. Midnight supper.
September 29th
Sunday
15th day of voyage
from Norfolk. 38th day of voyage from Demerara.
Forenoon, all
quiet. Weather, cold wind but dry. Afternoon, quiet. For
walk up to 3.20.
3.30 pm. Turned in. 5 o'c. Up. After Tea in Sleeping
Room, 3rd and 4th
Engineers. 2.10 am. Turned in.
September 30th
Monday
16th day of voyage
from Norfolk. 39th day of voyage from Demerara. .
Morning,
beautifully fine. Ship far astern in convoy. 11 am. Well up
in place. Noon,
message received by Semaphore from Commodore calling
attention to some
ship in convoy using wireless at 9.20 am, ships time
and stating there
should be positively no working in convoy.
Afternoon, Cruiser
Astern. Semaphoring to all ships in convoy. Orders
all ships to
change 8 points to Port. Comes right ahead and signals.
Weather,very cold
wind. 3.30. Turned in. 5.30 o'c. Tea. After Tea, in
Sleeping Room. 3rd
and 4th Engineers. 8 o'c. On watch. 2 am. Turned in.
October 1st
Tuesday
17th day of voyage
from Norfolk. 40th day of voyage from Demerara.
Morning, wet and
cold and windy and fog. Forenoon, on Watch. Convoy of
four large ships
pass about seven miles from our convoy. At noon, 250
miles distant from
Tory Island. Afternoon, order from Commodore of
Convoy all ships
turn around and steer west. Manoeuvring around as
convoy is ahead of
position of rendezvous. Strong westerly gale
blowing ship,
diving into it forward. Changed around to original
position at 4.30
o'c. Flag message from Commodore that Destroyer
Escort will be up
at dawn tomorrow.
WESTERN OCEAN. NOW
OFF NORTH IRISH COAST.
October 2nd
Wednesday
18th day of voyage
from Norfolk. 41st day of voyage from Demerara. 1
am. Patrol PxO
working Valentia and Bunbeg. Very close. Reported it to
Bridge. At dawn,
very stormy weather, gale. 1.15 am. 2nd Mate Magee in
W/T Room. Left
1.45 am. 2.30 am. Turned in. 7.45. Up. 8.45. Breakfast.
Morning, fog and
mist. Destroyer Escort arrives at Convoy about 9 o'c.
4 Destroyers, 3
others, Patrol Craft. 10 o'c. Weather clear.
Afternoon, weather
very fine. Destroyer Escort and Convoy going on OK.
4 o'c. Turned in.
5 o'c. Out. 5.30. Tea. Evening up to 8 o'c, in
Sleeping Cabin.
8.10. On watch. Junior in W/T cabin up to 10 o'c.
10.10 o'c. Loud
explosion, Oil Tank 'Arca' next ship to us in Convoy
blows up, oil
flames 2 miles long in water.
October 3rd
Thursday
19th day of voyage
from Norfolk. 42nd day of voyage from Demerara.
Turned in about
3.30 am, fully dressed. Out again 7.30 am. Feeling a
bit off after
terrible scenes of previous night. Morning, going
through Rathlin
Sound. Evening, going through Mull of Galloway. Scotch
coast on one side
Irish coast on the other. Midnight, going along by
Isle of Man. 2.30.
Turned in.
October 4th Friday
20th day of voyage
from Norfolk. 43rd day of voyage from Demerara.
Forenoon, now in
Irish Sea. 8 o'c. On watch. Expect to arrive in
Mersey at Bar
light at 2 o'c. Afternoon, arrived and anchored in
Mersey River near
Birkenhead. Busy getting station cleaned up and
making out a/c's.
9 o'c. Left anchorage to go in to dock. 10 o'c.
Night in dock. End
of voyage of near 12 weeks, 43 days run from West
Indies. Stayed on
board ship until morning, too late to go ashore.
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> From: "Family History" <
>Add to Address Book Date: Fri, 19 Feb 1999 00:28:27 -0000
Subject: [CRYAN-L] Diary/Log of William
CRYAN To: CRYAN-L@rootsweb.com
Thank you for
William's descriptions, especially as all my family come
fromLiverpool. At
That time my mother would have been about 6 yrs old, her
father was in
Palestine in the army "following Lawrence of Arabia" so he
said - meaning ,I
think , that they went to the same places after him !!
He used to take
us, 30 or so years later, down to the river to watch the
ships anchored in
the river waiting for the tide to enable them to float
into the docks
because the rise and fall of the tide is about 20 feet.
Wesaw many of the
great transatlantic liners and could understand the
emigrants feeling
that there was new life and new hope awaiting over the
horizon, to the
west.Now there is an excellent maritime museun in one of the old, very old
docks,which I
think has lists of people who passed through to emigrate
westwards.
I have just found
8 CRYANs on the Commonwealth War Graves Commission
sitewhich has only
been active for a short time - they are the on lt CRYANs
recorded.One is
mine I think some of you may find them interesting. .SO WATCH THIS SPACE !
until again Eve
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> From: "Family History" <
>Add to Address Book Date: Fri, 19 Feb 1999 11:34:58 -0000
Subject: [CRYAN-L] CRYAN,British War
Graves To: CRYAN-L@rootsweb.com
The
Commonwealth War Graves Commission call this
" Debt of Honour Register "
CRYAN Henry - Ordinary Signalman - No P/JA619995 - HMS
Moreta, Royal
Navy died Thursday 11 April 1946,
aged 20
son of Patrick and Ellen CRYAN, of
St Helens, Lancashire buried in Beirut War Cemetery , Grave Reference/Panel
No 9.C.1.
CRYAN John -
Private - L/2652 - 5th(Royal Irish) Lancers
died Thursday 21st June
1917, aged 28, son of Thonas and Hanoria
CRYAN, of Townenane House,Monasteraden, Co Sligo buried/memoral in Unicorn Cemetery,
Vend'Huile (19kms N of St
Quentin) Grave Reference /Panel no II.H.3.
CRYAN James -
Civilian - died Sunday 13 October 1940 aged 74 in
Sheffield Royal
Infirmary, Yorkshire (WR) injured 29 August
1940, at 27 Hurworth Road
(hishome) buried in the cemetery of the County
Borough Of Sheffield,
Yorkshire(West
Riding) Section of the Civilian War
Dead Register.
CRYAN Jane -
Civilian - died on Thursday 13 March 1941, aged 74.Lived
at 9Pattison
Street, Dalmuir, buried in the
cemetery of the Burgh of Clydebank(now part of
Glasgow), section
of the Civilian War Dead Register.
CRYAN John S -
Second Lieutenant,218 Sqdn., Royal Air Force,
died Monday , 12 August 1918 Buried in /memoral in Zeebrugge
Churchyard, Grave Ref/ Panelno201
CRYAN Patrick -
Private 2679 - 2nd Bn., Irish Guards
died Wednesday, 13
September 1916 Commemorated at Theipval
Memorial (found on the D75, off themain Bapaume to Albert road (D929)) Grave Reference/ Panel Number Pier and Face 7 D
CRYAN Robert -
Private 51325 9th Bn., Royal Scots died Thursday 1st
August 1918 aged 19
son of Catherine CRYAN of 1377, Maryhill; Rd.,Maryhill, Glasgow
and the late John
CRYAN Commemorated at Soissons Memorial,
in the town square in Soissons on
the left bank of the RiverAisne, 100 kms NE of Paris
The memorial register is kept in
the Maire where it may beconsulted
CRYAN Stephen
Joseph - Private 3786, 31st Bn., Australian Infantry, AIF
died Wednesday 26
September 1917 Commemorated at
the Ypres (Menin Gate) Memoral ( to the E of Ypres (now Ieper)) panel no. 7 - 17 - 23 - 25 - 27 -
29 - 31
These are the only
CRYANs at the site
From:
RuthK3834@aol.comAdd to Address Book
Date: Sun, 21 Feb 1999
14:16:27 EST
Subject:
[CRYAN-L] Cregan Family Research
To: CRYAN-L@rootsweb.com
I have recently
learned that some of my Cregans came from Newcastle in
CountyLimerick. I have gotten a list of names and birth dates
from a friend
inIreland. He got them from the parish priest in
Newcastle. I thought I
wouldpost them
here in case anyone can shed any more light on these folks.
Patrick Cregan
born 1857
Catherine Cregan
born 1858
Bridget Cregan
born 1859
Catherine Cregan
born 1862
James Cregan born 1864
Michael Cregan
born 1869 ( my great uncle) parents Catherine Fitton and JamesCregan
Morgan Cregan born
1871
John Cregan born
1874
Thomas Cregan born
1876
I am hoping for
more details in the future from my friend in Ireland,
butuntil then I
thought someone else might have one of these names in thefamilytree.Ruth
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> From: "Family History" <
>Add to Address Book Date: Mon, 22 Feb 1999 09:26:07 -0000
Subject: [CRYAN-L] Re CREGANs in Limerick To: CRYAN-L@rootsweb.com
Hi Ruth
The LDS Vital
Records for the British Isles for Co Limerick has all the
Civil
Registrations for the period 1864 - 1874. I have come up with 15ofvarious
parents but none after 1869. Perhaps those on your list were
not"registered for the nation" but appear in the baptismal registers
only
However the
following did appear
Mary CREGAN born
31 March 1867 in Newcastle, co Limerick, Ireland
parents James CREGAN and Kate
FITTON
Civil Registration FHL number
page 563
Michael CREGAN
born 28 Sept 1869 in Newcastle Co Limerick Ireland
parents James CREGAN and
Catherine FITTON
Civil Registration FHL number page 543
I hope that this
is helpfulEve
To Pat Kenny Radio Show
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From: Fatarm@aol.comAdd to Address Book Date:
Mon, 22 Feb 1999 18:17:27 EST
Subject:
[CRYAN-L] Fwd: SD records.
To: CRYAN-L@rootsweb.com
I'm not really
back yet, this is just a figment of my imagination ...
But I know we have
two Dakota researchers, and I thought you should
know....Leslie
(I'll be really back in a day or two at most)
Return-Path: <IRL-BALLYKILCLINE-L-request@rootsweb.com>
From:
"Maureen & David Humphreys" <searun@sprintmail.com>
Old-To:
"Bally Mail List Maureen" <irl-ballykilcline-l@rootsweb.com>
Subject: SD
records.Date: Wed, 17 Feb 1999 20:54:50 -0800
This was sent to
me, and I am passing it on
For all you folks
looking for births in SD [South Dakota], they now have 100 years on
line the records
giving name, parents and certificate #, sex and dates.
Go to the URL
below... just fill in last name and all those name will
come up and you
might find more children in a family that way or you can
just put first and
last name. I put in my surname and got a
2nd family
of children I
didn't know about. Hope this helps some
one..pass it on.
http://www.state.sd.us/doh/vitalrec/birthrecords/index.cfm
Maureen
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From: "Cook, Jonathan A (HUK)"
<cookja3@texaco.com>Add to Address Book
Date:
Thu, 25 Feb 1999 07:40:17 -0600
Subject: [CRYAN-L] CRYAN CREAN
CRAIAN
To:
CRYAN-L@rootsweb.com
Forms of the
Gaelic O'Croidhein Irish letters CRAIDAIN, an old Irish
tribeunder the
O'Connor of Connaught. Dispossessed at
the Cromwellian
settlementand
settled in Ballymote - Boyle area.
In the British
Museum you will find a map of Ireland (in English) dated
1599by Baptista
Boazio and copies are on sale in London, published by John
Sudbury.
This map of
Ireland, very distorted, is of course pre-Cromwellian i.e.
before we were
consigned "to h - or to Connaught", it shows the CRYNE
familyon the right
bank of the River Foyle (as it flows to the sea).
The area could be
in the modern County Tyrone. A few Cryan
families
havesaid that it
is family tradition that they originated in County Tyrone,
andthat after the
Cromwellian plantation we found ourselves in Connacht
(modernspelling).
But the existence
of the O'Craian Tomb in Sligo Abbey proves that we
musthave been in
Sligo a long time before Cromwell arrived in Ireland.
Patrick Cryans
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> From: "Family History" <
>Add to Address Book Date: Thu, 25 Feb 1999 14:02:18 -0000
Subject: [CRYAN-L] CRYAN reassment To: CRYAN-L@rootsweb.com
Hi everyone,
All is very quiet
on the list. I hope that you have all been workingfor,rather that waiting for,
enlightenment.
I still have not
found where my family came from. The favoured parish was Keashe with its
plethora of John CRYANs but I did not find John andDanielCRYAN , who I am
beginning to think of as twins, born in 1843/4.
However now having
collected more English CRYAN deaths ,I have foundtheirdeaths and await the
certificates.I have not found their father anywhere and now think that he may
haveremained in Ireland; but I have found several likely candidates in
theIrishBMD Register indexes, who are of the right sort of age. It means I
havetolook at other places, although they are not far from Keashe - about 6
miles.As I think
that I have said before, the LDS Vital Record of the BritishIsles, has among
others ALL the parish records for Boyle , whichfortunatelyI had only just
started transcribing. If anyone is interested.
Appropos of
nothing - does anyone know anything about the town ofTobercurry? I will eventually
look it up in the Parliamentary Gazeteerfor1843 but access is not
frequent.There are a fair number of CRYANs registered in Tobercurry, Carrick
onShannon, Strokestown and Manorhamilton as well as Boyle , Castlereaghetc .All
these registration districts abut each other !!!Happy hunting,Until again, Eve
From: Crogmos@aol.comAdd to Address Book Date:
Thu, 25 Feb 1999 18:10:10 EST
Subject:
[CRYAN-L] Maps of Ireland
To: CRYAN-L@rootsweb.com
Those of you who
need old maps of Ireland might like to know about the
copiesof 1"
Victorian maps that can be obtained from Rallymaps of West Wellow
e-mail:
mike@rallymap.demon.co.uk web
address www.rallymap.demon.uk/
The maps are very
good and show parish boundaries. Nearly the whole of
Irelandis
covered.They are £4.50 each, but it is possible to order from
overseasusing
credit cards. All the information needed to identify the sheet
neededand how to
pay is on the web page. I have just
received the details of
thegathering at
Ballykilcline and decided to go, I hope some other
Croghans willbe
there. Regards from Pat Moseley
From: "Michael Tobin"
<tobinmi@hotmail.com>Add to Address Book
Date: Fri, 26 Feb 1999
00:41:02 PST Subject: [CRYAN-L]
Tubbercurry To: CRYAN-L@rootsweb.com
Eve
>Appropos of
nothing - does anyone know anything about the town of
>Tobercurry? I
will eventually look it up in the Parliamentary Gazeteer
for 1843 but
access is not frequent.>There are a fair number of CRYANs registered in Tobercurry,
Carrick
>on Shannon,
Strokestown and Manorhamilton as well as Boyle , >Castlereagh
etc .Tubbercurry
is the next parish in Sligo to my home parish Tourlestrane/Kilmactigue and is
about 2 miles from my parents house.Its about 20 miles from Sligo town in a
south-west direction and about
10 miles (I think)
from Ballymote in a westerly direction. As you know,
Keash is about 2
miles from Ballymote in a south-east direction, on the
way from Ballymote
to Boyle. Carrick-on-Shannon is a few miles the far
side of Boyle and
is in Co. Limerick.
3 siblings of my
g-grandmother Mary Anne Cryan, moved to Tubbercurry
from Keash. Their
names were Martin Cryan (1883:1921) ,
Harry/Henry
Cryan (1887:1962) and Nora Cryan (1896:1968). Martin didn't marry,
Harry did but has
no descendants of the name Cryan and Nora married a
Jack Brennan from
Tubbercurry.To my knowledge, there are no Cryans living in the Tubbercurry area
now.
Hope this
helps.Michael
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> From: "Family History" <
>Add to Address Book Date: Fri, 26 Feb 1999 12:03:38 -0000
Subject: [CRYAN-L] Re CRYAN/FOLEY To: CRYAN-L@rootsweb.com
Hi Barbara, I have
found your Anne CRYAN , same date and same parents.
Being a least 18
at this birth the parents must have been born before 1850 and
Mary FOLEY after
about 1835 or she would be quite old to have
children.Thereare
4 possible James CRYANs
1 James CRYAN born
3 Sept 1837 ,Boyle RC
parents Patrick CRYAN and Mary
MARTIN
2. James born 20 Nov 1842, Boyle Rc
parents John CRYAN and Catherine
DRURY
3. James born 30 Jul 1845, Boyle RC
parents Michael CRYAN and Rosa
HEALY
4. James born 10 May 1848, Boyle RC
parents John CRYAN and Mary
HARRINGTON
There are 6
possible Mary FOLEYs but only one in Boyle
Mary FOLEY born 7 July 1839 , Boyle
parents James FOLEY and Brigid
FOLEY
The others are
from Taunagh in Co Sligo,Loughglynn in Co Roscommon(3)
andArdcarn and
Tuamna in Co Roscommon.
I can not find a
marriage for James and Mary but if she were from
somewhereother
than Boyle it is more likely to have taken place in the bride's
parish. The
marriage records on the CDs are very sparse - i CD for
marriages,4 for
births.I hope that this is helpful, Eve
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> From: "Family History" <
>Add to Address Book Subject: Re: [CRYAN-L] CRYAN reassment
Date: Fri, 26 Feb 1999 12:07:05 -0000 To: CRYAN-L@rootsweb.com
I am sorry Barbara
but I seem to have got the sums wrong re ages ,
howeverit does not
alter the data. Eve
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From:
LB3105@aol.com <LB3105@aol.com>
To: < >
Date: 25 February
1999 14:52
Subject: Re:
[CRYAN-L] CRYAN reassment
>Hi Eve,> I
am on your CRYAN mailing list to date. I
have so little
information
on>this side of my family.> I am researching James CRYAN, from Boyle, Co.
Roscommon (b:1839?). He was>the father of my Grandmother, Anne CRYAN, who
was born April 4, 1869.
Her>birth
certificate says she was born in Boyle also. I would love tofind a>record of
James Cryan's birth, or his marriage to
Mary FOLEY, assumingthey>are in the records of Boyle. I would appreciate any and all help youcould>give
me.>Thank you,>Barbara
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> From: "Family History" <
>Add to Address Book Date: Fri, 26 Feb 1999 12:36:13 -0000
Subject: [CRYAN-L] Re Tubbercurry etc To: CRYAN-L@rootsweb.com
Thank you so much
Michael, I seem to be following you around !
The reason for
asking is that if my John CRYAN stayed in Ireland he may
havedied in
Tubbercurry as there are several likely candidates after 1872
of thecorrect
age.ie born before 1823.
At a marriage in
1872 he gave his occupation as " tobacconist " which I
nowsuspect is "one who owns a tobacco shop".
Could that have been in
Tubbercurry ? Are
there any old Trade Directories for the town eg
Slater'sTrade
Directory ? He was described as "tobacconist" on both marriage
certificates that
I possess fron 1867 and 1872. I suppose the next step
isparish registers
or the certificates of death !!!!
Best wishes kindred CRYAN spirits, Eve
From:
Fatarm@aol.comAdd to Address Book
Date: Fri, 26 Feb 1999
10:26:00 EST
To:
caoimhghin@yahoo.com Subject:
Re: Re: [CRYAN-L] Ireland 3
But of
course! Okay, I'm pretty sure I've got
the Croghans in my dbase, so it's easy
enoughto pull it
out and slap it onto an email ... give me a day or so tosend it onto you ...
Leslie
From: Fatarm@aol.comAdd to Address Book Date:
Fri, 26 Feb 1999 10:45:55 EST
Subject:
[CRYAN-L] Bits ... To: CRYAN-L@rootsweb.com
Patrick - I, too,
remember reading about Co. Tyrone and Cromwell's
famousdeclaration
... I think Caoimhghin is right when he suggests that we
all needto track
down a bunch more of the 18th c. folks to try and get a better
ideaof links back
to the tumultous 17th c.
Pat - I'm so glad
I know someone who is going to attend the
Ballykilclinereunion. It sounds marvelous! There are a couple of Croghan and Cryan
namesassociated
with the research being done by that society -- are you
connected?I've
been keeping them in the back of my mind, not because of
connection
butbecause for whomever is connected, so much information is available
throughthe
society. Besides the very interesting
idea of becoming
penpals/friendswith
the descendants of one's ancestors' neighbors ...
Barbara -- your
dates are very interesting to me because of my own
Robert'sbirth c.
1840-1 ... but I don't have a location as yet for his early
life.What did
James do? Where did Anne live? What other information do you
haveon them? I'd be interested to learn ... especially if
you have info on
siblings of James
or Anne (names particularly).Best wishes on your hunts, Leslie
From: LB3105@aol.comAdd to Address Book Date:
Fri, 26 Feb 1999 12:54:20 EST
Subject:
[CRYAN-L] Fwd: Cryan & Keaney Families To:
CRYAN-L@rootsweb.com
In a message dated
2/26/99 9:14:22 AM Pacific Standard Time, LB3105
writes:<<
Subj: Re: Cryan & Keaney
Families
Date:
2/26/99 9:14:22 AM Pacific Standard Time
From:
LB3105 To: Fatarm,
Hi Leslie & Eve,
Thanks, Eve, for the information on James CRYAN, now I don't know
whichone he
is? Same with Mary FOLEY. Boy!
this sure gets confusing!
I do have some information that may be
helpful to you. So here
goes....
A lady (researcher) in Salt Lake City, Utah,
found the record of Anne
CRYANin the Irish
Birth records. She was born April 4,
1869, in the
townland
ofTemplevaney, in the civil parish of Toomour.
Her parents were James
CRYAN &Mary
FOLEY. They must have been living close to Boyle at the time of
Anne'sbirth. I
have a copy of her birth Certificate.
Her father, James CRYAN, occupation
was listed as a tailor. He was
married to Mary
FOLEY. This area is contained in the
Catholic parish of
Drumrat. The records for this parish begin after the
birth of Anne.(My Grandmother)
No other children
or Baptismal records were found for children born to
James CRYAN &
Mary FOLEY at that parish in Drumrat. (Boyle?)
They must have
movedor
something? James reported her birth.
The other name I am researching, which may be of interst to
someone, isKEANEY/KEANY/KENNE. There is a relationship between the two
families,
giventhe fact that
there appears to be an aunt named Mary CRYAN.
Her is the
connection:
The British Vital Records index included
a birth entry for a daughter
of John Kenny and
Margaret Flynn, namely Honor Kenny, who was born Sept.
30,1870, in the
townland of Treen, Co. Sligo. The informant was, Mary
CRYAN, anaunt, who
also lived in Treen, Co. Sligo. So there was at least one
CRYANliving in the
townland of Treen, Co. Sligo in 1870.
My Grandfather was Francis J. KEANEY,
b: 1861.His parents were John
KEANEY&
Margaret FLYNN. Hope this helps
you, Barbara
From: Voltene@aol.comAdd to Address Book Date:
Sun, 28 Feb 1999 16:34:09 EST
Subject:
[CRYAN-L] CRYANs in Lowell, MA
To: CRYAN-L@rootsweb.com
Hello, Anyone researching CRYANs in Lowell, MA?
If so, I have obituaries for all CRYANs
buried in cemeteries in
Lowell 1895 -
1995. Give me a name and timeperiod
person died, and I can e-mail the
obit. I also go to the Lowell Library local
history room Monday andThursday
nights. If anyone might need
something looked up, please let meknow.
Will be glad to do
it.Karen Murphy
From: RuthK3834@aol.comAdd to Address
Book Date: Mon, 1 Mar 1999 19:15:53 EST
Subject:
[CRYAN-L] Great Success To: CRYAN-L@rootsweb.com
I have found my
Cregans in Newcastle West. Turns out my
great-grandparentshad
10 children. I only knew about four of
them!
My ggrandparents
were James Cregan and Catherine FittonTheir children were:
Patrick Catherine
Bridget Catherine ( we don't understand there being two, but the birth dates
are different
James Michael
Morgan John Thomas
I still do not
know who came to the US and who stayed, but I will
continue to try
and find out. This has been an exciting
day and I just had to let
you all know. Ruth
Date:
Tue, 2 Mar 1999 02:33:46 -0800 (PST)
From: Caoimhghin O
Croidheain <caoimhghin@yahoo.com>Add to Address Book Subject: [CRYAN-L] general To:
CRYAN-L@rootsweb.com
Ruth I think that
a second child is given a similar name to a previous
child as the first
of the name died. One reason for this was possibly
the strength of
the naming patterns in Irish families whereby ultimate
respect for a
grandparent was denoted by naming a child after him or
her.
Lleslie
The last 20 or so
names were taken down by hand on 4 different pieces
of paper and might
be difficult to put together. I cant remember which
way I photocopied
them for you but let me know and we can sort it out...
Thanks
Caoimhghin
From:
RuthK3834@aol.comAdd to Address Book
Date: Tue, 2 Mar 1999
11:05:29 EST Subject: [CRYAN-L]
Finding my Cregans To: CRYAN-L@rootsweb.com
Actually I got the
first clue by posting to the Cregan surname list.
When Ifound my
Great Uncle Michael from information sent to me as a result of
thatpost was when
all the great finding began. I have a
friend in Ireland
and hewent to the
parish in Newcastle West to speak with the pastor of the
churchthere. I then found all the Cregan kids and some of
the Fittons aswell. Ruth
From:
RuthK3834@aol.comAdd to Address Book
Date: Tue, 2 Mar 1999
15:28:53 EST Subject: [CRYAN-L]
Newcastle West To: CRYAN-L@rootsweb.com
Would anyone who
might have access to the telephone directory for this
area ofIreland be
willing to e-mail me all the Cregans and Fittons and their
addresses? I have found that all of my family came from
there
including
mygrandmother and all nine of her siblings.
I would like to write to see
ifanyone there is
alive and part of my family.Any help will be gratefully appreciated.
Thanks,Ruth
From:
RuthK3834@aol.comAdd to Address Book
Date: Tue, 2 Mar 1999
15:31:13 EST
Subject:
[CRYAN-L] Apology To: CRYAN-L@rootsweb.com
To whomever I got
the message from about the list of photocopied Cregan
namesI apologize
for not remembering it. I went through
the file and found
it, butcannot make
head nor tails from it. Perhaps that is
why it slipped my
mind.I am truly
sorry for the oversight. Must be the age!Ruth
From: Fatarm@aol.comAdd to Address Book Date:
Tue, 9 Mar 1999 12:44:19 EST
Subject:
[CRYAN-L] Fwd: Survey of performance of the Irish Heritage Centers To:
CRYAN-L@rootsweb.com
I thought some of
you Roscommon researchers might be interested in the
mixedreviews
below. To expect the world is
great: to actually get it,
magnificent!
Return-Path:
<IRL-BALLYKILCLINE-L-request@rootsweb.com>
Resent-Date: Sat,
6 Mar 1999 11:13:57 -0800 (PST)
From:
MaryLDunn@aol.com
Hi,
=09FYI. You all
may be interested to see the results of The Irish
Ancestra=lResearch
Association's (TIARA's) survey of the performance of the Irish
Heritage Centers.
There's a link to it from the web site of The Irish
At H=omeand Abroad
at www.ihaonline.com.
=09Below are
specific comments about the Roscommon Center. But there's
muc=h moreat the
site above.=09Mary Lee Dunn
Roscommon Heritage & Genealogy
=95Sent inquiry
(and check) to Roscommon Centre; and having no response
for months went
there in person while in Ireland. They said they had
put all the mail
inquiries away to attend to at the end of the tourist
season. Lots of
personality and glad hands, but I had a feeling it was
just a summer job
for young students - there were quilts etc. for sale
there. Very sweet
folks, but it didn't seem like an historical research
operation. They
did send their results (nil) a couple of months later.
My opinion may be
colored by the fact that I had no "finds" in
Roscommon. [Survey
10003]
=95My experience
with the Co. Roscommon Heritage Society was wonderful.
Not only did the
researcher find my great-grandmother's baptism, she
also found the
baptisms of her siblings as well as the marriage of her
parents and her
oldest brother. The researcher also suggested I contact
the local post
office in Boyle to see if any relatives still lived in
the area. This
suggestion paid off greatly - I found a first cousin of
my grandmother
still living in Garrow, Boyle. We have been
corresponding ever
since. She in turn gave me a lot of information as well as
addresses of my
relatives living in the U.S., Ireland and England. I
would definitely
communicate with this researcher again when time
allows. [Survey
10022]
=95The whole
process took from March 7 to November 12, 1997 (and
several prodding
letters) to get the report. I was pleased with what I received
however. [Survey
10037]
=95My dealings
with Roscommon have been extremely slow and not
thorough. I=found
one civil birth registration myself through the local family
History Center
(LDS) after I had been told that no records existed.
Only after I
reported this back to Roscommon did they locate a marriage and
baptism Catholic
church record. [Survey 10046]
=95After receiving
word that my check to the Roscommon Heritage Center
had=been received,
I waited for seven months for word from them; there was
none. Finally, I
wrote them somewhat strong letter asking when I could
expect to hear the
results of their search. Within a month I received
word that they had
nothing to report. (I wonder if I'd still be
waiting, had I not
written that second letter.) If they are going to continue to
offer their
services in the genealogical research business - charging
the prices that
they do, then they ought to fine tune their procedures
and hire more
knowledgeable people to reduce the waiting period.[Survey 10073]
=95Regarding the
"timely' question, it took 12 weeks for the initial
search and another
12 to get the results. I called twice since I was
going to Roscommon
and was anxious to have the results for my visit. I
believe that they
were working as fast as they could but not as fast as
this Yank wanted.
So timely is in the mind of the requestor. Originally
my request was
sent to South Mayo and they responded very quickly that
my family was
Roscommon. It then took Roscommon 12 weeks to find out
what Mayo found
out in about 1 week. I would pay a fee for access but
since I live in
the U.S I would not be able to visit the center. I rely
heavily on the LDS
church.[Survey 10108]
=95Roscommon: They
were helpful and I have no serious complaints. They
even helped me get
into contact with some people living in my ancestral
townland. My only
complaints are: 1) that the records which were
searched were not
listed; and, 2) that I wanted to do a one-name study
of a very rare
surname and even obtained permission of the RC bishop to
release the
sacramental records. The Centre still refused to help,
stating that the
search had to be limited to a specific family.
Obviously, this
policy is frustrating to me, since the bishop's
permission removed
the only legal obstacle. The other complaint is that
it would be
desirable to obtain copies of the original register
entries, not just
a modern transcription. It's customary in genealogy research,
where feasible, to
provide a xerox of the original. Again, I'm
satisfied
otherwise, and this centre was the best of the three that I have
commissioned.
[Survey 10148]
=95Requested
information in February 98 and still no answer (Sept. 98).
The Roscommon
Centre seems to take your money and you never hear from
them again.
[Survey 10153]
=95We were in the
Roscommon Heritage Center once and the woman
basically said it
was a waste of money to have research done there. She said
their records were
poor and they didn't have much time. [Survey 10143]
=95Check and
Roscommon Heritage form completed and sent March 3, 1998.
Check deposited in
Bank of Ireland March 31, 1998. To date (Sept. 17
1998), no reply of
any kind received. Asked for information on Edward
Mulrenan born
about 1861 married Bridget Beirne 1888. [Survey 10156]
=95I paid the
$52.24 on May 29, 1998. I visited the Strokestown
Heritage Center at
the end of August 1998. I was told on this face to face visit
that I would have
to wait at least 9 months more before I received a
reply. This center
should be closed down. If they only have 1
researcher, they
should be forced to hire more researchers. Why is our
money being taken
for so long without any results? This is an
unacceptable way
to do business. I was told about the 9 months,
standing right in
front of the receptionist in Strokestown itself.
Unbelievable...
[Survey 10158]
=95As a result of
my contacts with Roscommon Heritage, I was able to
contact my
mother's cousin 4 years ago (she was 75 years old). My
mother knows
almost nothing about her mother's family except county and
parents' names. I
was so grateful. [Survey 10167]
=95Very helpful.
Got a lot of information, clearly set out and on
quality paper! I
would recommend it highly. [Survey 10173]
=95If I had been
told what sources had been searched I would have been
satisfied with the
work done. Instead I was told that there was no
occurrence of the
name in their records. This, to me, is unacceptable,
for someone who is
being paid to do research for you. [Survey 10181]
Date: Thursday, December 3, 1998 8:16:22
PMFrom: Fatarm@aol.comSubj: [CRYAN-L] Croghan (and variations) Birth
Indexfrom registersTo:
CRYAN-L@rootsweb.com
>From Mary
Creaser's research
again, folks, via
Caoimhghin. I'm not certainwhat
registers are
featured --
Caoimhghin, can you shed any light? At
anyrate, please
let us all know if
you find something interesting in thebelow,everyone!
* * * * * * * * *
* * * *
Birth Date Surname First
Name Townland Dad's Surname Dad's First Mom's
Surname Mom's
First Notes
Source Page No. Source Line
No. Source
21/10/1814 Cryan
Mary -
Cryan
Eugene Higgins Mary Register 1, page
66 1
1 Cryan/Crohan Birth
Index
25/09/1814 Cryan
Brigid -
Cryan
Eugene McDermot
(McDermott?) Deborah Register 1, page
66 1
2 Cryan/Crohan Birth Index
30/09/1823 Crens
Mary -
Crens
Eugene McDermott (McDermot?) Deborah Register
1, page
155 1
3 Cryan/Crohan Birth Index
27/10/1828 Crian
Anne -
Crian
Eugene McDermott Elizabeth Register 1, page
204 1
4 Cryan/Crohan
Birth Index
12/04/1839 Cryan
Catherine -
Cryan
James Flanagan Anne
Register 2, page
127 1
5 Cryan/Crohan Birth
Index
18/09/1841 Cryan
Thomas - Cryan
James Flanagan Anne
Register 2,
page
174 1
6 Cryan/Crohan Birth Index
07/07/1844 Cryan
Anne -
Cryan
James Flanagan Anne
Register 2, page
230 1
7 Cryan/Crohan Birth
Index
04/11/1815
(?) Cryan
James Knockroe Cryan
James Lowe Mary
Register 1,
page
68 1
8 Cryan/Crohan Birth Index
01/02/1831 Crien
John -
Crien
John Byrne Brigid
Register 1, page
212 1
9 Cryan/Crohan Birth
Index
29/06/1867 Cryan
Margaret Cararea Cryan John
Canning Catherine Register
3,
page 18 1 10
Cryan/Crohan Birth Index
08/06/1851 Cryan
Brigid - Cryan
John Carny Honor
Register
MF 1
11 Cryan/Crohan Birth Index
07/06/1853 Cryan
Peter - Cryan
John Carny Honor
Register
MF 1
12 Cryan/Crohan Birth Index
10/07/1854 Cryan
Mary - Cryan
John Carney (Carny?) Honor Register
MF 1
13 Cryan/Crohan Birth Index
04/09/1855 Cryan
Catherine - Cryan
John Carney (Carny?) Honor Register
MF 1
14 Cryan/Crohan Birth Index
14/12/1856 Cryan
Patrick - Cryan
John Carney (Carny?) Honor Register
MF 1
15 Cryan/Crohan Birth Index
28/04/1858 Cryan
Winifred -
Cryan John Carny
Honor Register
MF 1
16 Cryan/Crohan Birth Index
08/01/1860 Cryan John - Cryan John Carny Honor Register MF 1 17 Cryan/Crohan