Date:        Tue, 2 Feb 1999 04:01:39 -0800 (PST)  From:        Caoimhghin O Croidheain <caoimhghin@yahoo.com>Add to Address Book Subject:        [CRYAN-L] Charles Cryan    To:

        CRYAN-L@rootsweb.com

Hi

The following is a letter (or version of) sent by email to the Bognor

Regis tourism and the Family Record Centre about a week ago. I have

yet to get a reply from either. Has anyone any advice regarding how to

go about  finding information on Charles - particularly those

researchers living in England?Thanks Kevin

 

Dear Sir  or Madam,

I was wondering if you could you help me. I am trying to trace my

father's cousin Charles Cryan. In our last contact with him he said he

was working in a pub in Bognor Regis in the late 70's and early 80's.

He was born on the 14th May 1939. We are still not sure but we think

he might have moved back to London. We believe he died last year (or

1997) and would like to find out if his death was registered and where

he is buried. Would it be possible to get a list of the pubs of Bognor

Regis and the names of popular local newspapers that I could write to

for information or recollections of the local people? He trained as an

actor for a while and may have joined the Paras for a short period. I

know that this is very vague but it came as a shock to us to hear that

he may be dead and we would like to find out any information about his

life.Yours sincerely,Kevin Cryan

 

Reply-To:          "Family History" < >

    From:          "Family History" < >Add to Address Book

    Date:          Wed, 3 Feb 1999 10:33:08 -0000  Subject:          [CRYAN-L] Charles CRYAN

      To:          CRYAN-L@rootsweb.com

Hi,

It is necessary by law in England to register a death, before the body

isreleased for "disposal" ie burial, cremation, or even transport back to

Ireland or anywhere else. Therefore if he died, he must be registered.

TheFHC in London, from my dealings with them, need all the details and they

will provide a certificate for payment - now £7.50 per certificate(I

think).The application form I have here requires the index number or if one is

unsure about the index number  on the back is a space for other details

likedate of birth(if died after June 1969), place of death, date of

death,etc.Here in England, they do not provide a low cost photocopy as they do in

Dublin.I am also not sure how quickly the books of indexes are put onto the

shelves. If they are there, I will certainly look it up when I next go

toMyddleton place ,as I am planning to in the next month. If there is

only oneCharles Cryan during the period, there is no problem but if more than

one,what can one do?(private e-mail)

All our major libraries here in England have reference sections which

holdtelephone directories and Yellow Pages. I would think that they should

beavailable in Dublin and for England. It would be a good starting point

tolook for information about Bognor Regis. However I think that the

touristoffice will eventually reply with the town brochure which should give

thelocal newspapers and their addresses.

Service records - I am sure that I have seen something about that

somewhere.I will enquire but a good starting place would be to enter "Public

RecordsOffice" into one of the search engines - probably Yahoo or Altavista are

best for this but even better Dogpile which searches all the other

searchengines at http://www.dogpile.com

Will speak to you again Eve

 

Reply-To:          "Family History" < >    From:          "Family History" < >Add to Address Book    Date:          Wed, 3 Feb 1999 11:27:48 -0000  Subject:

          [CRYAN-L] Sites to try      To:          CRYAN-L@rootsweb.com

The "Local Ireland" site for Co Roscommon seems to have grown and there

aresome attractive photographs

 do try  http://ireland.iol.ie/~boylecoc/ for the Boyle Chamber of

Commercelinked site  Eve

 

From:        Bognor Regis Town Council <bognortc@arunet.co.uk>Add to Address Book

    To:        "'caoimhghin@yahoo.com'" <caoimhghin@yahoo.com> Subject:        Charles Cryan

   Date:        Thu, 4 Feb 1999 16:24:29 -0100

Dear Mr. Cryan,

Thank you for your email.

I have looked through the telephone directory for you as we don't

actually hold lists of this sort of information within the Town Council and have

found a couple of addresses and telephone numbers of local public

houses for you.I have also enclosed the address of the local newspaper below.

I hope this information is of some use to you.

 

The William Hardwicke,

12, High Street,

Bognor Regis, West Sussex. - (01243) 821940

 

Hatters Inn,

2, Queensway,

Bognor Regis, West Sussex. - (01243) 840206

 

The Alex,

56, London Road,

Bognor Regis, West Sussex. - (01243) 863308

 

The Steyne,

1, The Steyne,

Bognor Regis, West Sussex. - (01243) 865972

 

The Bognor Regis Observer (Local Newspaper)

14, Station Road,

Bognor Regis, West Sussex. - (01243) 827111

Yours sincerely,Claire Geary

 

EMIGRANT RECORDS 

  by Brian Bonner Mavrogeorge <Brian_Mavrogeorge@broder.com>

     The Learning Company

Between 1820 and 1860, 20 percent of America's immigrant

population was from Germany, and in the same period the largest

group of new immigrants was Irish. Every step of the way through

the process of immigrating to the United States, and in some

instances to Canada, these people left records and documents. So,

if you know where your gateway ancestor lived before emigrating,

check for information in the "old country" localities.

 

-- At the national level. In order to emigrate, the person may

have had to prove he was released from service to a nobleman

(letter of manumission) or that his military service was

completed. Then he would have to apply for a passport or "permit

to emigrate." These records might have information about birth,

residence, parentage, spouse, and children of the emigrant.

 

-- At the local level. Many people emigrating had to use

baptismal records to prove their identity. The local minister

would issue a certified copy of their baptismal entry with their

name, birthdate/place, baptism date, and their parents' names.

Often the minister entered into the register something like "went

to the New World in 1740" next to their baptismal entry.

Sometimes the emigrants simply received a letter that identified

them as a member of a specific congregation. Estate and property

settlement records in the "old countries" may give information

regarding an emigrant's departure.

 

English court records include names of people who committed

misdemeanor crimes and were sentenced to serve as the indentured

servants of plantation owners and businessmen in the colonies.

These owners and businessmen paid for the servants' passage. Many

of those court records have been abstracted and published.

 

-- At the ports. North American researchers often check passenger

lists for arrivals at U.S. and Canadian ports. But remember that

such lists were created at both ends of the journey. While not

all lists have survived, a search for both can be worthwhile. In

some instances government agents and real estate companies

recruited workers, and they maintained lists and recorded the

location of the lands they would settle. The lists sometimes

contain the emigrant's residence at time of departure, the cost

of the ticket, the name of the person who paid the fare, and the

final destination.

 

According to the Immigration and Naturalization Tutor that

accompanies Ultimate Family Tree <http://www.uftree.com>, there

are more than 3,500 printed emigration sources (and some on

CD-ROM). Use those indices as finding aids and to establish where

your ancestors came from. Then systematically search that

location for the records the emigrants left behind.

HUMOR. We've heard that U.S. current events were noted this way

in a letter to the editor of the Australian newspaper, "The

Sydney Morning Herald":

 

"Thank God we got the convicts and they got the Puritans."

                NEWS AND NOTES FROM ROOTSWEB

 

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AND BOUNDS. When the guild began its work on September 16, 1998,

there were 50 volunteers within a week. Now nearly 500 volunteers

are transcribing ship passenger lists that will be posted on the

ISTG Web site. The guild accepts new volunteers on a quarterly

basis. The next group will be accepted in April, 1999, so if you

are interested in joining at that time, please read the FAQ under

Guild Information. More than 300 passenger lists are now posted

at the Web site and new passenger lists are posted weekly.

http://istg.rootsweb.com

 

 

Date:        Wed, 17 Feb 1999 23:21:14, -0500 Subject:        RootsWeb Review, Vol. 2, No. 7

    To:        RootsWeb-Review@rootsweb.com  From:        Julie Case <Julie_Case@rootsweb.com>Add to Address BookROOTSWEB REVIEW: Genealogical Data Cooperative NewsVol. 2, No. 7, 17 February 1999; Circulation: 266,850+ (C) 1998-1999 RootsWeb Genealogical Data Cooperative.

 

Editors: Julia M. Case and Myra Vanderpool Gormley, CG

ISTG <http://istg.rootsweb.com>. Transcriptions of passenger

lists for 404 ships have been uploaded by the Immigrant Ships

Transcribers Guild as of 16 February 1999. Approximately 500

volunteers continue to transcribe lists that will be uploaded as

they are completed. Additional volunteer transcribers will be

accepted on a quarterly basis (see the ISTG FAQs for details).

The passenger lists are searchable by: (1) Date (1600s, 1700s,

1800s, 1900s); (2) Ship's Name (by country, to date including

Belgium, Brazil, Canada, Denmark, England, France, Germany,

Ireland, Italy, Mexico, Netherlands, Nicaragua, Panama, Portugal,

Scotland, Spain, Sweden, Venezuela, Wales, and the West Indies);

(3) Port of Arrival (to date including Baltimore, Maryland;

Canada; Galveston, Texas; Massachusetts; New Orleans, Louisiana;

New York, New York; New Zealand; Philadelphia, Pennsylvania; Port

Jackson, NSW, Australia; Virginia; and Wilmington, North

Carolina); and (4) Surname and Captain's Name.

 

Date:        Mon, 8 Feb 1999 04:57:06 -0800 (PST)  From:        Caoimhghin O Croidheain <caoimhghin@yahoo.com>Add to Address Book Subject:        [CRYAN-L] Leitrim-Cryans

    To:        CRYAN-L@rootsweb.com

 

Hi

This is a discovery I made going through various links. I give address

for Leitrim page which contains much general info plus a Cryan link

under Leitrim surnames which included the following...

 

http://www.rootsweb.com/~irllet/index.htm

 

http://cgi.rootsweb.com/~genbbs/genbbs.cgi/Ireland/Leitrim?read=1878

Posted by Jean Rice <jeanrice@cet.com> on Sun, 17 Jan 1999, in

response to Irish Surnames Found In Particular

                    Counties Almost Exclusively, posted by Jean Rice on Sat, 16 Jan 1999

Kevin Cryan of Dublin, Ireland has compiled large databases of Cryan information, according to his article in "Irish Roots" magazine, 1998. His gggrandfather was John Cryan who married Margaret Dolan in Boyle, Co. Roscommon in 1858 and spent his life in Croghan about five miles south of Boyle, working as a National School teacher, (Master Cryan); his death was in 1906. Kevin invites all Cryan families to contact him at 44 St. Columba's Rise, Swords, Co. Dublin, Ireland: e-mail: 94971455@tolka.dcu.ie. Home Number: 01 8403745. Minicall: 1550 177432. He has in his possession a list of all Cryan deaths (in Ireland) since 1864 (when the civil records began) from the Registry of Births, Deaths and Marriages. He has a list of Cryan and variants from Boyle Catholic Registers 1793-1833 (mainly baptisms). He has Memorials of Deeds related to Cryan

and Crean of Counties Roscommon and Sligo 1747-1884. He has Entries for Cryan from Croghan Catholic parish registers 1814-1899 (baptisms) He has famine immigration list (Cryan and variants) arriving at Port of New York 1846-1851. Finally, he has entries for Cryan in valuation lists, Boyle 1858-1871. He states in his article that he would like you to contact him to help him in researching his own family, to exchange Cryan information and material and to evoke an interest in Cryan genealogy and research. He says other good resources are Sligo Heritage and Genealogical Centre, Stephens Street, Sligo, and the Roscommon Heritage and Genealogical Centre, Strokestown, County Roscommon.

More to follow at this Co. Leitrim Queries website -

(Ignore Email address and minicall number) Regards Caoimhghin

 

Hi

Actually I was delighted that you took the time to put the article onto the web page. Could you take out the email address and Minicall number? Iam using caoimhghin@yahoo.com for about a year now and I don’t have the minicall anymore. Also there is the Cryan plus variants mailing list at CRYAN-L@rootsweb.com which would be great to publicise.

Keep up the good work.

Regards,

Kevin Cryan

 

rom:        ljstandak@webtv.net (Lyle Staehnke)Add to Address Book   Date:        Sat, 6 Feb 1999 13:22:03 -0800 (PST) Subject:        [CRYAN-L] RE:Creane-- Crean   To:        CRYAN-L@rootsweb.com

For those looking up Creane this could be interresting,and for others if

you return to the home page listed on the bottom of this site..

--WebTV-Mail-1626834185-81

X-URL-Title: http://idt.net/~unatg/cencrean.htm

http://idt.net/~unatg/cencrean.htm

 

Date:        Sun, 07 Feb 1999 11:14:15 -0800    To:        caoimhghin@yahoo.com  From:        Jean Rice <jeanrice@cet.com>Add to Address Book Subject:        Cryans

Dear David, I am so RELIEVED you were angry with me for not checking

withyou first!!!  I have also been trying to connect non-Internet queries in

magazines to Internet genealogists, been posting some Mormon data and

playing "fast and loose" with portions of copyrighted material - have

beenable to successfully help others, but am always worried that I have

takentoo many liberties and gone too far.  I am good advertising for that

wonderful "Irish Roots"  magazine and the information people can obtain

atthe LDS FHCs, so hope I do more good than not!  Jean

 

Date:        Mon, 8 Feb 1999 04:57:06 -0800 (PST)  From:

        Caoimhghin O Croidheain <caoimhghin@yahoo.com>Add to Address Book

 Subject:        [CRYAN-L] Leitrim-Cryans    To:        CRYAN-L@rootsweb.com

Hi

This is a discovery I made going through various links. I give address

for Leitrim page which contains much general info plus a Cryan link

under Leitrim surnames which included the following...

 

http://www.rootsweb.com/~irllet/index.htm

 

http://cgi.rootsweb.com/~genbbs/genbbs.cgi/Ireland/Leitrim?read=1878

Posted by Jean Rice <jeanrice@cet.com> on Sun, 17 Jan 1999, in

response to Irish Surnames Found In Particular

                    Counties Almost Exclusively, posted by Jean Rice

on Sat, 16 Jan 1999

Kevin Cryan of Dublin, Ireland has compiled large databases of Cryan

information, according to his article in "Irish Roots"

magazine, 1998. His gggrandfather was John Cryan who married Margaret

Dolan in Boyle, Co. Roscommon in 1858 and

spent his life in Croghan about five miles south of Boyle, working as

a National School teacher, (Master Cryan); his death was

in 1906. Kevin invites all Cryan families to contact him at 44 St.

Columba's Rise, Swords, Co. Dublin, Ireland: e-mail:

94971455@tolka.dcu.ie. Home Number: 01 8403745. Minicall: 1550 177432.

He has in his possession a list of all Cryan

deaths (in Ireland) since 1864 (when the civil records began) from the

Registry of Births, Deaths and Marriages. He has a list of

Cryan and variants from Boyle Catholic Registers 1793-1833 (mainly

baptisms). He has Memorials of Deeds related to Cryan

and Crean of Counties Roscommon and Sligo 1747-1884. He has Entries

for Cryan from Croghan Catholic parish registers

1814-1899 (baptisms) He has famine immigration list (Cryan and

variants) arriving at Port of New York 1846-1851. Finally,

he has entries for Cryan in valuation lists, Boyle 1858-1871. He

states in his article that he would like you to contact him to

help him in researching his own family, to exchange Cryan information

and material and to evoke an interest in Cryan genealogy

and research. He says other good resources are Sligo Heritage and

Genealogical Centre, Stephens Street, Sligo, and the

Roscommon Heritage and Genealogical Centre, Strokestown, County

Roscommon.

More to follow at this Co. Leitrim Queries website -(Ignore Email address and minicall number)

Regards Caoimhghin

 

   Date:        Mon, 8 Feb 1999 05:56:43 -0800    To:        caoimhghin@yahoo.com

  From:        queryanswer@SEE.MESSAGE.FOR.ADDRESSAdd to Address Book

 Subject:        Response to Your Leitrim Ireland Queries Post

Leitrim Ireland Queries

A new message, "Cryan Family," was posted by Barbara Keaney Wicks on

Mon,08 Feb 1999  It is a response to your post, "Cryans," of Sun, 07 Feb

1999

This is an automatically-generated notice.  If you wish to respond to

thismessage, please post your response directly to the Leitrim Ireland

Queries:<http://cgi.rootsweb.com/~genbbs/genbbs.cgi/Ireland/Leitrim>

Thank you!

 

Cryan Family

 Posted by Barbara Keaney Wicks <lb3105@aol.com> on Mon, 08 Feb 1999, in response to Cryans, posted by Kevin                                     Cryan on Sun, 07 Feb 1999

  Surnames: Anne Cryan, James Cryan, Mary Foley Cryan, John Keaney, Margaret Flynn, Francis J Keaney, Anne Keaney

Trying to locate any birth, death, marriage records for the above relatives. I have my Grandmother's birth certificate. Anne

Cryan was born in Boyle, Co. Roscommon, Ireland on April 4, 1869. Her parents were listed as: James Cryan and MaryFoley. Also residing in Boyle, Co. Roscommon.

My grandmother later married: Francis J. Keaney, who was from Riverstown, Co. Sligo. His Parents were John Keaney andMargaret Flynn also from Co. Sligo, Ireland.

 

Date:        Tue, 09 Feb 1999 14:12:26 -0800    To:        Caoimhghin O Croidheain <caoimhghin@yahoo.com>

  From:        Jean Rice <jeanrice@cet.com>Add to Address Book Subject:        Re: Cryans

Hi Kevin, Me again.  Is that you wonderful Irish name above or is it a

phrase?  I'd be interested to know.  I sent an e-mail to the host of the

Co. Leitrim website, Don Kelly.  He said that he is not able to alter

anyinformation in a post, only delete the entire post.  He suggested that

either you or I place another one post connected to it and/or at the

top ofthe Co. Leitrim website, (with Cryan entered in the spot for the Surname

List) with your updated information and news about the Cryan mailing

list.Do you want to do this?  Jean

 

At 05:20 AM 2/8/99 -0800, you wrote:

>Hi

>Actually I was delighted that you took the time to put the article

>onto the web page. Could you take out the email address and Minicall

>number? Iam using caoimhghin@yahoo.com for about a year now and I

>don't have the minicall anymore. Also there is the Cryan plus variants

>mailing list at CRYAN-L@rootsweb.com which would be great to publicise.

>Keep up the good work.

>Regards,

>Kevin Cryan

From:        LB3105@aol.comAdd to Address Book   Date:        Tue, 9 Feb 1999 20:11:45 EST

    To:        caoimhghin@yahoo.com Subject:        Re: cryans

Hi Kevin,

        I am already on the Cryan Mailing List & have started to receive some

e-mailfrom them.  Thanking in advance, for you for sending me the file &

informationabout the Cryan's.  I'm sure there is some facts that I can use in it

          I visited Dublin some years ago.  Fell in love with Ireland on that

trip.Plan to go back again someday.        Looking forward to hearing from you again.

Barbara

 

Date:        Tue, 09 Feb 1999 14:12:26 -0800    To:        Caoimhghin O Croidheain <caoimhghin@yahoo.com>

  From:        Jean Rice <jeanrice@cet.com>Add to Address Book Subject:

        Re: Cryans

Hi Kevin, Me again.  Is that you wonderful Irish name above or is it a

phrase?  I'd be interested to know.  I sent an e-mail to the host of the

Co. Leitrim website, Don Kelly.  He said that he is not able to alter

anyinformation in a post, only delete the entire post.  He suggested that

either you or I place another one post connected to it and/or at the

top ofthe Co. Leitrim website, (with Cryan entered in the spot for the Surname

List) with your updated information and news about the Cryan mailing

list.Do you want to do this?  Jean

 

From:        LB3105@aol.comAdd to Address Book   Date:        Thu, 11 Feb 1999 08:44:11 EST

    To:        caoimhghin@yahoo.com Subject:        Fwd: cryans

Hi Kevin,

        No i did not know that the Cryan's had a seachable Archive List.  I

will tryto find it .        My Grandmother's name was Anne Cryan, b: April 4, 1869 (I do have a

copy ofher birth certificatefrom Dublin, Ireland).

        Her parents:  James Cryan listed as a sailor on her  birth record &

MaryFoley. from Boyle, Co. Roscommon.        I would like to find out more information on James & Mary Cryan. Marriagerecord, birth or babtismal record, death record?  They were from Boyle,

Co.Roscommon & Co. Sligo.  At the time, there residence of information was

listedas Temfleany, Sligo?  Not sure where this is exactly or if I have it

spelledright.  Does it sound famalier to you?          I am looking forward to reciving your text file.  I will download itto mycomputer to research. it.

        How many names do you now have on your data base?  I have 101 most of

themare Keaney's.  My grandmother,  Anne Cryan,  m: Francis J. Keaney, he

was alsofrom Riverstown, Co. Sligo.  On the map of Ireland that I have, the two

towns(Riverstown & Boyle) look fairly close in distance.  They probably grew

uptogether.  I remember my mother telling me that she was his childhood

sweethearts. After my greandfather emmigrated to America in 1884, a

year laterhe sent for Anne and they were married in New York City.

        Thanks again for all of your help.

                Barbara Wicks

 

To:        caoimhghin@yahoo.com   Date:        Fri, 12 Feb 1999 10:36:53 -0600

 Subject:        Searching  From:        Carole C Wagner <cwagner5@juno.com>Add to Address Book

Hi,

I was asked by a gal who got your message re Cryan deaths if I would

write to you since we are both searching for the same ancestor. She

worksand is quite busy. She knows I am retired, but I have more than 8-5

hours. Anyway, that is all just a little humorous aside.

We are searching for a Michael Crehan, born in Ireland, March 5, 1852.

Weknow that his father was also named Michael. Now all this is a real shot

in the dark, because we don't know where in Ireland he was born. Had a

closed mouth family and unfortunately anyone who might have known

something has passed on.I realize you said Cryan, but we are wondering if the name Crehan might

have popped up somewhere. Just have a gut feeling that the spelling was

never changed, but then who knows?Thanks for "listening" and any help if you have it.

Carole Wagner

 

  From:        LB3105@aol.comAdd to Address Book   Date:        Sun, 14 Feb 1999 15:16:57 EST

    To:        caoimhghin@yahoo.com Subject:        I un-zipped the mimi file

H Kevin,        Just wanted you to know that I was able to un-zip the mime.file you

sent.  Ihave really enjoyed reading it. Sure there is a record for my Great

Grandfather's death, James Cryan.         Thanks again for sharing this file with yet another relative.  (From my

research the Keaney's & Cryan's were close families in Boyle.) Thisinformation may be of interest to you in your  research, so I'm passingiton..

A message I recently received from my "Geneagolgy Report".in Salt Lake

City,Utah:

Barbara:

"I checked the birth record of Anne Cryan, b: April 4, 1869 in  our

filmedIrish birthrecords and learned she was born in the townland of Templevaney in the

civil parish of Toomour.  Her father's occupation is tailor.  (Note:  it

is not uncommon for errors to be made in the transcribing of

records--that is why I suggest to clients that they get a photocopy of

anentry rather than a certificate which increases the chance of

transcription errors.)  This area is contained in the Catholic parish of

Drumrat.  The records for this parish begin after the birth of Anne

Cryan.  Ichecked for several years but did not find any other children listed for

James Cryan and Mary Foley (her parents)in the parish baptism records.

Thisarea is quite close to where your Keaney family resided.  I wonder if

thereisn'ta relationship between the families given the fact that there appears to

be an aunt named Mary Cryan in the Keaney family.

I also checked the civil registration marriage indexes from 1864 through

1869 but did not find a marriage record for a couple by this name.

Thereis an entry for a James Cryan in 1868 that I need to check although

therewas no corresponding entry for Mary Foley.  Since the marriage entries

for that parish also began after the birth of Anne and church records

were the source of the civil registration marriage records, it may be

that no marriage record will be found."

Thanks again Kevin.  Let's stay in touch.

        Barbara Keaney Wicks

 

From:        "Michael Tobin" <tobinmi@hotmail.com>Add to Address Book   Date:

        Mon, 15 Feb 1999 11:13:32 PST Subject:        [CRYAN-L] Keash researcher

    To:        CRYAN-L@rootsweb.com

For those of us who are researching in the Keash area or in the

adjoining Boyle area, I was recently contacted by a John Brehany who is

originally from Keash and who is in the process of setting up a Keash

Website.

His email address is john@brehany.freeserve.co.uk if any of you are

interesting in contacting him. I think that initially his Keash Website

will be mainly dealing with the natural features of the area.

I will post details of the site here in any case, when its available.

John has alot of information on his own Brehany ancestors. What is very

interesting for any of us with Keash connections in this area, is that

John's information on his name goes back to the Cromwellian plantation

when his family were transplanted from Cork to Keash.

This raises the possibility that other families in the area were also

transplanted there, including the many seemingly unrelated families of

Cryans??? Note that John's research doesn't suggest this - I'm just

speculating on it.regardsMichael

 

Reply-To:          "Family History" < >

    From:          "Family History" < >Add to Address Book

    Date:          Mon, 15 Feb 1999 22:54:15 -0000  Subject:          [CRYAN-L] Keash Parish

      To:          CRYAN-L@rootsweb.com

Thank you Michael, for the information concerning Keash. I have written

concerning Daniel CRYAN of Tully who married Mary BREHANY with Pat

BREHANYand John CRYAN as witnesses.

We will see.Did I reply to you about the Keash Parish records? I took a photocopy of

nearly all the film which is a photograph of the original parish book.

Therefore if it was not on the film (and there are mistakes or

omissions) Ihave no way of knowing what is in the parish book.

Until again - Eve

 

Date:        Tue, 16 Feb 1999 10:10:02 -0800 (PST)  From:        Caoimhghin O Croidheain <caoimhghin@yahoo.com>Add to Address Book Subject:        [CRYAN-L] Ireland

    To:        CRYAN-L@rootsweb.com

Hi

I am sending some sections from my bibliography re.Ireland. Happy

reading....caoimhghin

 

GENEALOGY - LOCAL HISTORY

Begley, Donal F. Irish Genealogy: A Record Finder. Dublin: Heraldic

Artists Ltd, 1987.*

Grehan, Ida. The Dictionary of Irish Family Names. Ranelagh: Roberts

Rinehart Publishers, 1997.#

Grenham, John. Tracing Your Irish Ancestors: The Complete Guide.

Dublin: Gill and Macmillan Ltd., 1992.

Herlihy, Jim. The Royal Irish Constabulary: A Short History and

Genealogical Guide. Dublin: Four Courts Press, 1997.*

MacLysaght, Edward. The Surnames of Ireland. Blackrock: Irish Academic

Press, 1985.*

Mc Ternan, John. Olde Sligoe: Aspects of Town and County over 750

Years. Sligo: Avena Publications, 1995.

Ó Corráin, Donnchadh and Fidelma Maguire. Gaelic Personal Names.

Dublin: The Academy Press, 1981.*

Room, Adrian. A Dictionary of Irish Place Names. Belfast: Appletree

Press Ltd., 1988.*

 

Date:        Thu, 18 Feb 1999 03:35:29 -0800 (PST)  From:        Caoimhghin O Croidheain <caoimhghin@yahoo.com>Add to Address Book Subject:        [CRYAN-L] 1918

    To:        CRYAN-L@rootsweb.com

HiJust a little taste of my grandfather's diary. He was a WirelessOperator in the Merchant Navy.

Caoimhghin

 

THE DIARY OF  William J. CRYAN 1918

WESTERN OCEAN.

September 27th Friday

13th day of voyage from Norfolk. 36th day of voyage from Demerara.

Weather today cold, strong cold wind and swell. Today in Latitude of

Lands End and about 30 Longitude. Left off cold sea water baths today.

Tonight, wet and cold and very dark. Heavy sea. About 1300 miles from

Liverpool.

 

September 28th Saturday

14th day of voyage from Norfolk. 37th day of voyage from Demerara.

Forenoon, weather cold, hard wind. Afternoon, boat drill. Today in

Latitude of Holyhead, Latitude 52 North and 28 West. Expect to arrive

in Liverpool midnight Thursday next. After Tea, in Sleeping Room. 3rd

and 4th Engineers. Night watch. Midnight supper.

 

September 29th Sunday

15th day of voyage from Norfolk. 38th day of voyage from Demerara.

Forenoon, all quiet. Weather, cold wind but dry. Afternoon, quiet. For

walk up to 3.20. 3.30 pm. Turned in. 5 o'c. Up. After Tea in Sleeping

Room, 3rd and 4th Engineers. 2.10 am. Turned in.

 

September 30th Monday

16th day of voyage from Norfolk. 39th day of voyage from Demerara. .

Morning, beautifully fine. Ship far astern in convoy. 11 am. Well up

in place. Noon, message received by Semaphore from Commodore calling

attention to some ship in convoy using wireless at 9.20 am, ships time

and stating there should be positively no working in convoy.

Afternoon, Cruiser Astern. Semaphoring to all ships in convoy. Orders

all ships to change 8 points to Port. Comes right ahead and signals.

Weather,very cold wind. 3.30. Turned in. 5.30 o'c. Tea. After Tea, in

Sleeping Room. 3rd and 4th Engineers. 8 o'c. On watch. 2 am. Turned in.

 

October 1st Tuesday

17th day of voyage from Norfolk. 40th day of voyage from Demerara.

Morning, wet and cold and windy and fog. Forenoon, on Watch. Convoy of

four large ships pass about seven miles from our convoy. At noon, 250

miles distant from Tory Island. Afternoon, order from Commodore of

Convoy all ships turn around and steer west. Manoeuvring around as

convoy is ahead of position of rendezvous. Strong westerly gale

blowing ship, diving into it forward. Changed around to original

position at 4.30 o'c. Flag message from Commodore that Destroyer

Escort will be up at dawn tomorrow.

 

WESTERN OCEAN. NOW OFF NORTH IRISH COAST.

 

October 2nd Wednesday

18th day of voyage from Norfolk. 41st day of voyage from Demerara. 1

am. Patrol PxO working Valentia and Bunbeg. Very close. Reported it to

Bridge. At dawn, very stormy weather, gale. 1.15 am. 2nd Mate Magee in

W/T Room. Left 1.45 am. 2.30 am. Turned in. 7.45. Up. 8.45. Breakfast.

Morning, fog and mist. Destroyer Escort arrives at Convoy about 9 o'c.

4 Destroyers, 3 others, Patrol Craft. 10 o'c. Weather clear.

Afternoon, weather very fine. Destroyer Escort and Convoy going on OK.

4 o'c. Turned in. 5 o'c. Out. 5.30. Tea. Evening up to 8 o'c, in

Sleeping Cabin. 8.10. On watch. Junior in W/T cabin up to 10 o'c.

10.10 o'c. Loud explosion, Oil Tank 'Arca' next ship to us in Convoy

blows up, oil flames 2 miles long in water.

 

October 3rd Thursday

19th day of voyage from Norfolk. 42nd day of voyage from Demerara.

Turned in about 3.30 am, fully dressed. Out again 7.30 am. Feeling a

bit off after terrible scenes of previous night. Morning, going

through Rathlin Sound. Evening, going through Mull of Galloway. Scotch

coast on one side Irish coast on the other. Midnight, going along by

Isle of Man. 2.30. Turned in.

 

October 4th Friday

20th day of voyage from Norfolk. 43rd day of voyage from Demerara.

Forenoon, now in Irish Sea. 8 o'c. On watch. Expect to arrive in

Mersey at Bar light at 2 o'c. Afternoon, arrived and anchored in

Mersey River near Birkenhead. Busy getting station cleaned up and

making out a/c's. 9 o'c. Left anchorage to go in to dock. 10 o'c.

Night in dock. End of voyage of near 12 weeks, 43 days run from West

Indies. Stayed on board ship until morning, too late to go ashore.

 

Reply-To:          "Family History" < >    From:          "Family History" < >Add to Address Book    Date:          Fri, 19 Feb 1999 00:28:27 -0000

  Subject:          [CRYAN-L] Diary/Log of William CRYAN      To:          CRYAN-L@rootsweb.com

Thank you for William's descriptions, especially as all my family come

fromLiverpool. At That time my mother would have been about 6 yrs old, her

father was in Palestine in the army "following Lawrence of Arabia" so he

said - meaning ,I think , that they went to the same places after him !!

He used to take us, 30 or so years later, down to the river to watch the

ships anchored in the river waiting for the tide to enable them to float

into the docks because the rise and fall of the tide is about 20 feet.

Wesaw many of the great transatlantic liners and could understand the

emigrants feeling that there was new life and new hope awaiting over the

horizon, to the west.Now there is an excellent maritime museun in one of the old, very old

docks,which I think has lists of people who passed through to emigrate

westwards.

I have just found 8 CRYANs on the Commonwealth War Graves Commission

sitewhich has only been active for a short time - they are the on lt CRYANs

recorded.One is mine I think some of you may find them interesting. .SO WATCH THIS SPACE !

until again Eve

 

Reply-To:          "Family History" < >    From:          "Family History" < >Add to Address Book    Date:          Fri, 19 Feb 1999 11:34:58 -0000

  Subject:          [CRYAN-L] CRYAN,British War Graves      To:          CRYAN-L@rootsweb.com

The Commonwealth War Graves Commission call this

                   "  Debt of Honour Register "

CRYAN Henry  - Ordinary Signalman - No P/JA619995 - HMS Moreta, Royal

Navy                   died Thursday 11 April 1946, aged 20

                   son of Patrick and Ellen CRYAN, of St Helens, Lancashire buried in Beirut War Cemetery , Grave Reference/Panel No   9.C.1.

 

CRYAN John - Private - L/2652 - 5th(Royal Irish) Lancers

                   died Thursday 21st June 1917, aged 28,  son of Thonas and Hanoria CRYAN, of Townenane House,Monasteraden, Co Sligo       buried/memoral in Unicorn Cemetery, Vend'Huile (19kms N of St

Quentin)       Grave Reference /Panel no   II.H.3.

 

CRYAN James - Civilian - died Sunday 13 October 1940 aged 74 in

Sheffield Royal Infirmary, Yorkshire (WR)                         injured 29 August 1940, at 27 Hurworth Road

(hishome)       buried in the cemetery of the County Borough Of Sheffield,

Yorkshire(West Riding) Section of the       Civilian War Dead Register.

 

CRYAN Jane - Civilian - died on Thursday 13 March 1941, aged 74.Lived

at 9Pattison Street, Dalmuir,       buried in the cemetery of the Burgh of Clydebank(now part of

Glasgow), section of the Civilian War Dead Register.

 

CRYAN John S - Second Lieutenant,218 Sqdn., Royal Air Force,

  died Monday , 12 August 1918           Buried in /memoral in Zeebrugge Churchyard, Grave Ref/ Panelno201

 

CRYAN Patrick - Private 2679 - 2nd Bn., Irish Guards

                         died Wednesday, 13 September 1916  Commemorated at Theipval Memorial (found on the D75, off themain Bapaume to Albert road (D929))   Grave Reference/ Panel Number  Pier and Face 7 D

 

CRYAN Robert - Private 51325 9th Bn., Royal Scots                         died Thursday 1st August 1918 aged 19

                         son of Catherine CRYAN  of 1377, Maryhill; Rd.,Maryhill, Glasgow

                          and the late John CRYAN            Commemorated  at Soissons Memorial,

            in the town square in Soissons on the left bank of the RiverAisne, 100 kms NE of Paris

            The memorial register is kept in the Maire where it may beconsulted

 

CRYAN Stephen Joseph - Private 3786, 31st Bn., Australian Infantry, AIF

                           died Wednesday 26 September 1917            Commemorated at the Ypres (Menin Gate) Memoral ( to the E of Ypres (now Ieper))             panel no. 7 - 17 - 23 - 25 - 27 - 29 - 31

 

These are the only CRYANs at the site

 

  From:        RuthK3834@aol.comAdd to Address Book   Date:        Sun, 21 Feb 1999 14:16:27 EST

 Subject:        [CRYAN-L] Cregan Family Research    To:        CRYAN-L@rootsweb.com

I have recently learned that some of my Cregans came from Newcastle in

CountyLimerick.  I have gotten a list of names and birth dates from a friend

inIreland.  He got them from the parish priest in Newcastle.  I thought I

wouldpost them here in case anyone can shed any more light on these folks.

Patrick Cregan born 1857

Catherine Cregan born 1858

Bridget Cregan born 1859

Catherine Cregan born 1862

James Cregan born 1864

Michael Cregan born 1869 ( my great uncle) parents Catherine Fitton and JamesCregan

Morgan Cregan born 1871

John Cregan born 1874

Thomas Cregan born 1876

I am hoping for more details in the future from my friend in Ireland,

butuntil then I thought someone else might have one of these names in thefamilytree.Ruth

 

Reply-To:          "Family History" < >    From:          "Family History" < >Add to Address Book    Date:          Mon, 22 Feb 1999 09:26:07 -0000

  Subject:          [CRYAN-L] Re CREGANs in Limerick      To:          CRYAN-L@rootsweb.com

Hi Ruth

The LDS Vital Records for the British Isles for Co Limerick has all the

Civil Registrations for the period 1864 - 1874. I have come up with 15ofvarious parents but none after 1869. Perhaps those on your list were not"registered for the nation" but appear in the baptismal registers only

However the following did appear

Mary CREGAN born 31 March 1867 in Newcastle, co Limerick, Ireland

                parents James CREGAN and Kate FITTON

                Civil Registration     FHL number  page 563

Michael CREGAN born 28 Sept 1869 in Newcastle Co Limerick Ireland

                 parents James CREGAN and Catherine FITTON

                 Civil Registration    FHL number page 543

I hope that this is helpfulEve

 

To Pat Kenny Radio Show

Hi A quick note to researcher.Rootsweb.com is an enormous internet site for those interested in genealogy. It has an email mag giving stories of people who have found long-lost relatives.

It has a surname mailing list so people can exchange info on their surnames. I have built up 220 pages of info on my surname (and variations) since Jan 1998.

CONNECTING THROUGH ROOTSWEB. Thanks for sharing your stories.

Recently, I returned to Seattle from a four-day visit in the

Tampa, Florida area with my newly found sister, who was separated

from me when I was five years old, 65 years ago, and whose

daughter, you may recall, found me via the RootsWeb Surname List

on Christmas Day. What a thrill! I believe we hugged and bawled

for at least 15 minutes straight in the airport lobby while the

rest of her family stood all around us and cried, too.

It was a wonderful reunion. Words can hardly do it justice: four

days of catch-up, and I had been worried about what we could talk

about after 66 years! She finally has her correct birthdate. She

had lots of trouble with Social Security and driver's licenses

because she did not know it and so she could not get a copy of a

birth certificate. I filled her in on all the things I have

learned about our family from my search, mainly via RootsWeb

Lists and the Family History Centers. Other than the total

disappearance of any record of our mother, the only area that

remains a mystery is when, and from where in Hungary, our

grandparents immigrated. So the search will continue but now it

will be sweet work.Again, thank you and all the RootsWeb folks for being God's

instruments in this case.

 

From:        Fatarm@aol.comAdd to Address Book   Date:        Mon, 22 Feb 1999 18:17:27 EST

 Subject:        [CRYAN-L] Fwd: SD records.    To:        CRYAN-L@rootsweb.com

I'm not really back yet, this is just a figment of my imagination ...

But I know we have two Dakota researchers, and I thought you should

know....Leslie (I'll be really back in a day or two at most)

Return-Path: <IRL-BALLYKILCLINE-L-request@rootsweb.com>

From: "Maureen & David Humphreys" <searun@sprintmail.com>

Old-To: "Bally Mail List Maureen" <irl-ballykilcline-l@rootsweb.com>

Subject: SD records.Date: Wed, 17 Feb 1999 20:54:50 -0800

This was sent to me, and I am passing it on

For all you folks looking for births in SD [South Dakota], they now have 100 years on

line the records giving name, parents and certificate #, sex and dates.

Go to the URL below... just fill in last name and all those name will

come up and you might find more children in a family that way or you can

just put first and last name.  I put in my surname and got a 2nd family

of children I didn't know about.  Hope this helps some one..pass it on.

http://www.state.sd.us/doh/vitalrec/birthrecords/index.cfm

Maureen

 

ROOTSWEB REVIEW: Genealogical Data Cooperative News

Vol. 2, No. 8, 24 February 1999; Circulation: 270,000+

(C) 1998-1999 RootsWeb Genealogical Data Cooperative.

Editors: Julia M. Case and Myra Vanderpool Gormley, CG

         <RWR-Editors@rootsweb.com>

A WORD FROM THE SPONSOR: TIPS ON CITING INTERNET SOURCES

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Source citation basics include identifying who wrote the

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Elizabeth Shown Mills, CG, CGL, FASG, FNGS, applies these basics

to the Internet. To make it easy to follow her guidelines,

Ultimate Family Tree (UFT) <http://www.uftree.com/> contains

source templates authorized by Mills. UFT users can document

sources easily by selecting a fill-in-the-blanks template and

answering these questions:

1. Who wrote the information? This is the author, the compiler,

Webmaster or creator of the Web page. Because electronic mail

addresses such as JohnSmith@fastsurf.com and URLs (universal

resource locators) -- addresses of Web sites -- change

frequently, Mills recommends that you also provide a postal

address of the originator.

2. What is its form? This might be "e-mail to author," "family

file," or "Stanton Family Association Web site."

3. Who published the information or in what repository is it

located? This should identify the e-mail user, the Webmaster's

name, or the name of the organization. It also could be the

page's URL.

4. When was it received? Because of the issue of permanence (or

lack thereof) of information found on the Internet, indicate the

date the information was downloaded or received.

To facilitate evaluating the reliability of the source, cite not

only the Internet source, but also the source on which it is

based. Has the Webmaster done a partial or full extraction from

the original record? Are these simply random bits and pieces of

information from unidentified original or secondary sources? This

is important because most of the information on the Internet

originated in some other medium and is simply being published on

the Internet by someone other than the original creator.

 

From:        "Cook, Jonathan A (HUK)" <cookja3@texaco.com>Add to Address Book   Date:

        Thu, 25 Feb 1999 07:40:17 -0600 Subject:        [CRYAN-L] CRYAN CREAN CRAIAN

    To:        CRYAN-L@rootsweb.com

Forms of the Gaelic O'Croidhein Irish letters CRAIDAIN, an old Irish

tribeunder the O'Connor of Connaught.  Dispossessed at the Cromwellian

settlementand settled in Ballymote - Boyle area.

In the British Museum you will find a map of Ireland (in English) dated

1599by Baptista Boazio and copies are on sale in London, published by John

Sudbury.

This map of Ireland, very distorted, is of course pre-Cromwellian i.e.

before we were consigned "to h - or to Connaught", it shows the CRYNE

familyon the right bank of the River Foyle (as it flows to the sea).

The area could be in the modern County Tyrone.  A few Cryan families

havesaid that it is family tradition that they originated in County Tyrone,

andthat after the Cromwellian plantation we found ourselves in Connacht

(modernspelling).

But the existence of the O'Craian Tomb in Sligo Abbey proves that we

musthave been in Sligo a long time before Cromwell arrived in Ireland.

Patrick Cryans

 

 Reply-To:          "Family History" < >    From:          "Family History" < >Add to Address Book    Date:          Thu, 25 Feb 1999 14:02:18 -0000

  Subject:          [CRYAN-L] CRYAN reassment      To:          CRYAN-L@rootsweb.com

Hi everyone,

All is very quiet on the list. I hope that you have all been workingfor,rather that waiting for, enlightenment.

I still have not found where my family came from. The favoured parish was Keashe with its plethora of John CRYANs but I did not find John andDanielCRYAN , who I am beginning to think of as twins, born in 1843/4.

However now having collected more English CRYAN deaths ,I have foundtheirdeaths and await the certificates.I have not found their father anywhere and now think that he may haveremained in Ireland; but I have found several likely candidates in theIrishBMD Register indexes, who are of the right sort of age. It means I havetolook at other places, although they are not far from Keashe - about 6

miles.As I think that I have said before, the LDS Vital Record of the BritishIsles, has among others ALL the parish records for Boyle , whichfortunatelyI had only just started transcribing. If anyone is interested.

Appropos of nothing - does anyone know anything about the town ofTobercurry? I will eventually look it up in the Parliamentary Gazeteerfor1843 but access is not frequent.There are a fair number of CRYANs registered in Tobercurry, Carrick onShannon, Strokestown and Manorhamilton as well as Boyle , Castlereaghetc .All these registration districts abut each other !!!Happy hunting,Until again, Eve

 

From:        Crogmos@aol.comAdd to Address Book   Date:        Thu, 25 Feb 1999 18:10:10 EST

 Subject:        [CRYAN-L] Maps of Ireland    To:        CRYAN-L@rootsweb.com

Those of you who need old maps of Ireland might like to know about the

copiesof 1" Victorian maps that can be obtained from Rallymaps of West Wellow

e-mail: mike@rallymap.demon.co.uk    web address  www.rallymap.demon.uk/

The maps are very good and show parish boundaries. Nearly the whole of

Irelandis covered.They are £4.50 each, but it is possible to order from

overseasusing credit cards. All the information needed to identify the sheet

neededand how to pay is on the web page.  I have just received the details of

thegathering at Ballykilcline and decided to go, I hope some other

Croghans willbe there. Regards from Pat Moseley

 

From:        "Michael Tobin" <tobinmi@hotmail.com>Add to Address Book   Date:        Fri, 26 Feb 1999 00:41:02 PST Subject:        [CRYAN-L] Tubbercurry    To:        CRYAN-L@rootsweb.com

Eve

>Appropos of nothing - does anyone know anything about the town of

>Tobercurry? I will eventually look it up in the Parliamentary Gazeteer

for 1843 but access is not frequent.>There are a fair number of CRYANs registered in Tobercurry, Carrick

>on Shannon, Strokestown and Manorhamilton as well as Boyle , >Castlereagh

etc .Tubbercurry is the next parish in Sligo to my home parish Tourlestrane/Kilmactigue and is about 2 miles from my parents house.Its about 20 miles from Sligo town in a south-west direction and about

10 miles (I think) from Ballymote in a westerly direction. As you know,

Keash is about 2 miles from Ballymote in a south-east direction, on the

way from Ballymote to Boyle. Carrick-on-Shannon is a few miles the far

side of Boyle and is in Co. Limerick.

3 siblings of my g-grandmother Mary Anne Cryan, moved to Tubbercurry

from Keash. Their names were Martin Cryan  (1883:1921) , Harry/Henry

Cryan  (1887:1962) and Nora Cryan  (1896:1968). Martin didn't marry,

Harry did but has no descendants of the name Cryan and Nora married a

Jack Brennan from Tubbercurry.To my knowledge, there are no Cryans living in the Tubbercurry area now.

Hope this helps.Michael

 

 Reply-To:          "Family History" < >    From:          "Family History" < >Add to Address Book    Date:          Fri, 26 Feb 1999 12:03:38 -0000

  Subject:          [CRYAN-L] Re CRYAN/FOLEY      To:          CRYAN-L@rootsweb.com

Hi Barbara, I have found your Anne CRYAN , same date and same parents.

Being a least 18 at this birth the parents must have been born before 1850 and

Mary FOLEY after about 1835 or she would be quite old to have

children.Thereare 4 possible James CRYANs

1 James CRYAN born 3 Sept 1837 ,Boyle RC

              parents Patrick CRYAN and Mary MARTIN

2. James            born 20 Nov 1842, Boyle Rc

              parents John CRYAN and Catherine DRURY

3.  James           born 30 Jul 1845, Boyle RC

              parents Michael CRYAN and Rosa HEALY

4.  James           born 10 May 1848, Boyle RC

              parents John CRYAN and Mary HARRINGTON

 

There are 6 possible Mary FOLEYs but only one in Boyle

    Mary FOLEY born 7 July 1839 , Boyle

             parents James FOLEY and Brigid FOLEY

The others are from Taunagh in Co Sligo,Loughglynn in Co Roscommon(3)

andArdcarn and Tuamna in Co Roscommon.

I can not find a marriage for James and Mary but if she were from

somewhereother than Boyle it is more likely to have taken place in the bride's

parish. The marriage records on the CDs are very sparse - i CD for

marriages,4 for births.I hope that this is helpful, Eve

 

 Reply-To:          "Family History" < >    From:          "Family History" < >Add to Address Book  Subject:          Re: [CRYAN-L] CRYAN reassment

    Date:          Fri, 26 Feb 1999 12:07:05 -0000      To:          CRYAN-L@rootsweb.com

I am sorry Barbara but I seem to have got the sums wrong re ages ,

howeverit does not alter the data. Eve

-----Original Message-----

From: LB3105@aol.com <LB3105@aol.com>

To:   < >

Date: 25 February 1999 14:52

Subject: Re: [CRYAN-L] CRYAN reassment

>Hi Eve,> I am on your CRYAN mailing list to date.  I have so little

information on>this side of my family.> I am researching James CRYAN, from Boyle, Co. Roscommon (b:1839?). He was>the father of my Grandmother, Anne CRYAN, who was born April 4, 1869.

Her>birth certificate says she was born in Boyle also. I would love tofind a>record of James Cryan's birth,  or his marriage to Mary FOLEY, assumingthey>are in the records of Boyle.  I would appreciate any and all help youcould>give me.>Thank you,>Barbara

 

 Reply-To:          "Family History" < >    From:          "Family History" < >Add to Address Book    Date:          Fri, 26 Feb 1999 12:36:13 -0000

  Subject:          [CRYAN-L] Re Tubbercurry etc      To:          CRYAN-L@rootsweb.com

Thank you so much Michael, I seem to be following you around !

The reason for asking is that if my John CRYAN stayed in Ireland he may

havedied in Tubbercurry as there are several likely candidates after 1872

of thecorrect age.ie born before 1823.

At a marriage in 1872 he gave his occupation as " tobacconist " which I

nowsuspect is  "one who owns a tobacco shop". Could that have been in

Tubbercurry ? Are there any old Trade Directories for the town eg

Slater'sTrade Directory ? He was described as "tobacconist" on both marriage

certificates that I possess fron 1867 and 1872. I suppose the next step

isparish registers or the certificates of death !!!!

Best wishes  kindred CRYAN spirits, Eve

 

  From:        Fatarm@aol.comAdd to Address Book   Date:        Fri, 26 Feb 1999 10:26:00 EST

    To:        caoimhghin@yahoo.com Subject:        Re: Re: [CRYAN-L] Ireland 3

But of course!  Okay, I'm pretty sure I've got the Croghans in my dbase, so it's easy

enoughto pull it out and slap it onto an email ... give me a day or so tosend it onto you ... Leslie

 

From:        Fatarm@aol.comAdd to Address Book   Date:        Fri, 26 Feb 1999 10:45:55 EST

 Subject:        [CRYAN-L] Bits ...    To:        CRYAN-L@rootsweb.com

Patrick - I, too, remember reading about Co. Tyrone and Cromwell's

famousdeclaration ... I think Caoimhghin is right when he suggests that we

all needto track down a bunch more of the 18th c. folks to try and get a better

ideaof links back to the tumultous 17th c. 

Pat - I'm so glad I know someone who is going to attend the

Ballykilclinereunion.  It sounds marvelous!  There are a couple of Croghan and Cryan

namesassociated with the research being done by that society -- are you

connected?I've been keeping them in the back of my mind, not because of

connection butbecause for whomever is connected, so much information is available

throughthe society.  Besides the very interesting idea of becoming

penpals/friendswith the descendants of one's ancestors' neighbors ...

Barbara -- your dates are very interesting to me because of my own

Robert'sbirth c. 1840-1 ... but I don't have a location as yet for his early

life.What did James do?  Where did Anne live?  What other information do you

haveon them?  I'd be interested to learn ... especially if you have info on

siblings of James or Anne (names particularly).Best wishes on your hunts, Leslie

 

 

From:        LB3105@aol.comAdd to Address Book   Date:        Fri, 26 Feb 1999 12:54:20 EST

 Subject:        [CRYAN-L] Fwd: Cryan & Keaney Families    To:        CRYAN-L@rootsweb.com

In a message dated 2/26/99 9:14:22 AM Pacific Standard Time, LB3105

writes:<< Subj:        Re: Cryan & Keaney Families

 Date:  2/26/99 9:14:22 AM Pacific Standard Time

 From:  LB3105 To:    Fatarm, 

  Hi Leslie & Eve,

         Thanks,  Eve, for the information on James CRYAN,  now I don't know

whichone he is?  Same with Mary FOLEY.  Boy!   this sure gets confusing! 

         I do have some information that may be helpful to  you.  So here

goes....

 A lady (researcher) in Salt Lake City, Utah, found the record of Anne

CRYANin the Irish Birth records.  She was born April 4, 1869, in the

townland ofTemplevaney, in the civil parish of Toomour.  Her parents were James

CRYAN &Mary FOLEY. They must have been living close to Boyle at the time of

Anne'sbirth. I have a copy of her birth Certificate.

         Her father, James CRYAN, occupation was listed as a tailor. He was

married to Mary FOLEY.  This area is contained in the Catholic parish of

Drumrat.  The records for this parish begin after the birth of Anne.(My Grandmother)

No other children or Baptismal records were found for children born to

James CRYAN & Mary FOLEY at that parish in Drumrat. (Boyle?)  They must have

movedor something?  James reported her birth.

         The other name I am researching,  which may be of interst to

someone,  isKEANEY/KEANY/KENNE.  There is a relationship between the two families,

giventhe fact that there appears to be an aunt named Mary CRYAN.  Her is the

connection: 

        The British Vital Records index included a birth entry for a daughter

of John Kenny and Margaret Flynn, namely Honor Kenny, who was born Sept.

30,1870, in the townland of Treen, Co. Sligo. The informant was,  Mary

CRYAN, anaunt, who also  lived in Treen, Co. Sligo.  So there was at least one

CRYANliving in the townland of Treen, Co. Sligo  in 1870.

          My Grandfather was Francis J. KEANEY, b: 1861.His parents were John

KEANEY& Margaret FLYNN.        Hope this helps you,                 Barbara

 

From:        Voltene@aol.comAdd to Address Book   Date:        Sun, 28 Feb 1999 16:34:09 EST

 Subject:        [CRYAN-L] CRYANs in Lowell, MA    To:        CRYAN-L@rootsweb.com

Hello,       Anyone researching CRYANs in Lowell, MA?

       If so, I have obituaries for all CRYANs buried in cemeteries in

Lowell 1895 - 1995.       Give me a name and timeperiod person died, and I can e-mail the

obit.       I also go to the Lowell Library local history room Monday andThursday

nights. If   anyone might   need  something  looked up,   please let meknow.

Will be glad to do it.Karen Murphy

 

 

From:        RuthK3834@aol.comAdd to Address Book   Date:        Mon, 1 Mar 1999 19:15:53 EST

 Subject:       [CRYAN-L] Great Success   To:        CRYAN-L@rootsweb.com

I have found my Cregans in Newcastle West.  Turns out my

great-grandparentshad 10 children.  I only knew about four of them!  

My ggrandparents were James Cregan and Catherine FittonTheir children were:

Patrick Catherine Bridget Catherine ( we don't understand there being two, but the birth dates are different

James Michael Morgan John  Thomas

I still do not know who came to the US and who stayed, but I will

continue to try and find out.  This has been an exciting day and I just had to let

you all know. Ruth

 

   Date:        Tue, 2 Mar 1999 02:33:46 -0800 (PST)  From:        Caoimhghin O Croidheain <caoimhghin@yahoo.com>Add to Address Book Subject:        [CRYAN-L] general    To:        CRYAN-L@rootsweb.com

Ruth I think that a second child is given a similar name to a previous

child as the first of the name died. One reason for this was possibly

the strength of the naming patterns in Irish families whereby ultimate

respect for a grandparent was denoted by naming a child after him or

her.

Lleslie

The last 20 or so names were taken down by hand on 4 different pieces

of paper and might be difficult to put together. I cant remember which

way I photocopied them for you but let me know and we can sort it out...

Thanks

Caoimhghin

 

 

  From:        RuthK3834@aol.comAdd to Address Book   Date:        Tue, 2 Mar 1999 11:05:29 EST Subject:        [CRYAN-L] Finding my Cregans    To:        CRYAN-L@rootsweb.com

Actually I got the first clue by posting to the Cregan surname list.

When Ifound my Great Uncle Michael from information sent to me as a result of

thatpost was when all the great finding began.  I have a friend in Ireland

and hewent to the parish in Newcastle West to speak with the pastor of the

churchthere.  I then found all the Cregan kids and some of the Fittons aswell.  Ruth

 

  From:        RuthK3834@aol.comAdd to Address Book   Date:        Tue, 2 Mar 1999 15:28:53 EST Subject:        [CRYAN-L] Newcastle West    To:        CRYAN-L@rootsweb.com

Would anyone who might have access to the telephone directory for this

area ofIreland be willing to e-mail me all the Cregans and Fittons and their

addresses?  I have found that all of my family came from there

including mygrandmother and all nine of her siblings.  I would like to write to see

ifanyone there is alive and part of my family.Any help will be gratefully appreciated.

Thanks,Ruth

 

  From:        RuthK3834@aol.comAdd to Address Book   Date:        Tue, 2 Mar 1999 15:31:13 EST

 Subject:        [CRYAN-L] Apology    To:        CRYAN-L@rootsweb.com

To whomever I got the message from about the list of photocopied Cregan

namesI apologize for not remembering it.  I went through the file and found

it, butcannot make head nor tails from it.  Perhaps that is why it slipped my

mind.I am truly sorry for the oversight. Must be the age!Ruth

 

From:        Fatarm@aol.comAdd to Address Book   Date:        Tue, 9 Mar 1999 12:44:19 EST

 Subject:        [CRYAN-L] Fwd: Survey of performance of the Irish Heritage Centers    To:

        CRYAN-L@rootsweb.com

I thought some of you Roscommon researchers might be interested in the

mixedreviews below.  To expect the world is great:  to actually get it,

magnificent!

 

Return-Path: <IRL-BALLYKILCLINE-L-request@rootsweb.com>

Resent-Date: Sat, 6 Mar 1999 11:13:57 -0800 (PST)

From: MaryLDunn@aol.com

Hi,

=09FYI. You all may be interested to see the results of The Irish

Ancestra=lResearch Association's (TIARA's) survey of the performance of the Irish

Heritage Centers. There's a link to it from the web site of The Irish

At H=omeand Abroad at www.ihaonline.com.

=09Below are specific comments about the Roscommon Center. But there's

muc=h moreat the site above.=09Mary Lee Dunn

Roscommon Heritage & Genealogy

=95Sent inquiry (and check) to Roscommon Centre; and having no response

for months went there in person while in Ireland. They said they had

put all the mail inquiries away to attend to at the end of the tourist

season. Lots of personality and glad hands, but I had a feeling it was

just a summer job for young students - there were quilts etc. for sale

there. Very sweet folks, but it didn't seem like an historical research

operation. They did send their results (nil) a couple of months later.

My opinion may be colored by the fact that I had no "finds" in

Roscommon. [Survey 10003]

=95My experience with the Co. Roscommon Heritage Society was wonderful.

Not only did the researcher find my great-grandmother's baptism, she

also found the baptisms of her siblings as well as the marriage of her

parents and her oldest brother. The researcher also suggested I contact

the local post office in Boyle to see if any relatives still lived in

the area. This suggestion paid off greatly - I found a first cousin of

my grandmother still living in Garrow, Boyle. We have been

corresponding ever since. She in turn gave me a lot of information as well as

addresses of my relatives living in the U.S., Ireland and England. I

would definitely communicate with this researcher again when time

allows. [Survey 10022]

=95The whole process took from March 7 to November 12, 1997 (and

several prodding letters) to get the report. I was pleased with what I received

however. [Survey 10037]

=95My dealings with Roscommon have been extremely slow and not

thorough. I=found one civil birth registration myself through the local family

History Center (LDS) after I had been told that no records existed.

Only after I reported this back to Roscommon did they locate a marriage and

baptism Catholic church record. [Survey 10046]

=95After receiving word that my check to the Roscommon Heritage Center

had=been received, I waited for seven months for word from them; there was

none. Finally, I wrote them somewhat strong letter asking when I could

expect to hear the results of their search. Within a month I received

word that they had nothing to report. (I wonder if I'd still be

waiting, had I not written that second letter.) If they are going to continue to

offer their services in the genealogical research business - charging

the prices that they do, then they ought to fine tune their procedures

and hire more knowledgeable people to reduce the waiting period.[Survey 10073]

=95Regarding the "timely' question, it took 12 weeks for the initial

search and another 12 to get the results. I called twice since I was

going to Roscommon and was anxious to have the results for my visit. I

believe that they were working as fast as they could but not as fast as

this Yank wanted. So timely is in the mind of the requestor. Originally

my request was sent to South Mayo and they responded very quickly that

my family was Roscommon. It then took Roscommon 12 weeks to find out

what Mayo found out in about 1 week. I would pay a fee for access but

since I live in the U.S I would not be able to visit the center. I rely

heavily on the LDS church.[Survey 10108]

=95Roscommon: They were helpful and I have no serious complaints. They

even helped me get into contact with some people living in my ancestral

townland. My only complaints are: 1) that the records which were

searched were not listed; and, 2) that I wanted to do a one-name study

of a very rare surname and even obtained permission of the RC bishop to

release the sacramental records. The Centre still refused to help,

stating that the search had to be limited to a specific family.

Obviously, this policy is frustrating to me, since the bishop's

permission removed the only legal obstacle. The other complaint is that

it would be desirable to obtain copies of the original register

entries, not just a modern transcription. It's customary in genealogy research,

where feasible, to provide a xerox of the original. Again, I'm

satisfied otherwise, and this centre was the best of the three that I have

commissioned. [Survey 10148]

=95Requested information in February 98 and still no answer (Sept. 98).

The Roscommon Centre seems to take your money and you never hear from

them again. [Survey 10153]

=95We were in the Roscommon Heritage Center once and the woman

basically said it was a waste of money to have research done there. She said

their records were poor and they didn't have much time. [Survey 10143]

=95Check and Roscommon Heritage form completed and sent March 3, 1998.

Check deposited in Bank of Ireland March 31, 1998. To date (Sept. 17

1998), no reply of any kind received. Asked for information on Edward

Mulrenan born about 1861 married Bridget Beirne 1888. [Survey 10156]

=95I paid the $52.24 on May 29, 1998. I visited the Strokestown

Heritage Center at the end of August 1998. I was told on this face to face visit

that I would have to wait at least 9 months more before I received a

reply. This center should be closed down. If they only have 1

researcher, they should be forced to hire more researchers. Why is our

money being taken for so long without any results? This is an

unacceptable way to do business. I was told about the 9 months,

standing right in front of the receptionist in Strokestown itself.

Unbelievable... [Survey 10158]

=95As a result of my contacts with Roscommon Heritage, I was able to

contact my mother's cousin 4 years ago (she was 75 years old). My

mother knows almost nothing about her mother's family except county and

parents' names. I was so grateful. [Survey 10167]

=95Very helpful. Got a lot of information, clearly set out and on

quality paper! I would recommend it highly. [Survey 10173]

=95If I had been told what sources had been searched I would have been

satisfied with the work done. Instead I was told that there was no

occurrence of the name in their records. This, to me, is unacceptable,

for someone who is being paid to do research for you. [Survey 10181]

 

Date:   Thursday, December 3, 1998 8:16:22 PMFrom:        Fatarm@aol.comSubj:    [CRYAN-L] Croghan (and variations) Birth Indexfrom registersTo:     CRYAN-L@rootsweb.com

>From Mary Creaser's research

again, folks, via Caoimhghin.  I'm not certainwhat registers are

featured -- Caoimhghin, can you shed any light?  At anyrate, please

let us all know if you find something interesting in thebelow,everyone!

* * * * * * * * * * * * *

Birth Date      Surname First

Name    Townland        Dad's Surname   Dad's First     Mom's

Surname Mom's

First   Notes   Source Page No. Source Line

No.     Source

 

21/10/1814      Cryan   Mary     -

        Cryan   Eugene  Higgins Mary    Register 1, page

66      1       1       Cryan/Crohan Birth

Index

25/09/1814      Cryan   Brigid   -

        Cryan   Eugene  McDermot

(McDermott?)    Deborah Register 1, page

66      1       2       Cryan/Crohan Birth Index

30/09/1823      Crens   Mary     -

        Crens   Eugene  McDermott (McDermot?)   Deborah Register

1, page

155     1       3       Cryan/Crohan Birth Index

27/10/1828      Crian   Anne     -

        Crian   Eugene  McDermott       Elizabeth       Register 1, page

204     1       4       Cryan/Crohan

Birth Index

12/04/1839      Cryan   Catherine        -

        Cryan   James   Flanagan        Anne    Register 2, page

127     1       5       Cryan/Crohan Birth

Index

18/09/1841      Cryan   Thomas   -      Cryan   James   Flanagan        Anne    Register 2,

page

174     1       6       Cryan/Crohan Birth Index

07/07/1844      Cryan   Anne     -

        Cryan   James   Flanagan        Anne    Register 2, page

230     1       7       Cryan/Crohan Birth

Index

04/11/1815

(?)     Cryan   James   Knockroe        Cryan   James   Lowe    Mary    Register 1,

page

68      1       8       Cryan/Crohan Birth Index

01/02/1831      Crien   John     -

        Crien   John    Byrne   Brigid  Register 1, page

212     1       9       Cryan/Crohan Birth

Index

29/06/1867      Cryan   Margaret        Cararea Cryan   John    Canning Catherine       Register 3,

page 18 1       10      Cryan/Crohan Birth Index

08/06/1851      Cryan   Brigid   -      Cryan   John    Carny   Honor   Register

MF      1       11      Cryan/Crohan Birth Index

07/06/1853      Cryan   Peter    -      Cryan   John    Carny   Honor   Register

MF      1       12      Cryan/Crohan Birth Index

10/07/1854      Cryan   Mary     -      Cryan   John    Carney (Carny?) Honor   Register

MF      1       13      Cryan/Crohan Birth Index

04/09/1855      Cryan   Catherine        -      Cryan   John    Carney (Carny?) Honor   Register

MF      1       14      Cryan/Crohan Birth Index

14/12/1856      Cryan   Patrick  -      Cryan   John    Carney (Carny?) Honor   Register

MF      1       15      Cryan/Crohan Birth Index

28/04/1858      Cryan   Winifred         -      Cryan   John    Carny   Honor   Register

MF      1       16      Cryan/Crohan Birth Index

08/01/1860      Cryan   John     -      Cryan   John    Carny   Honor   Register MF     1       17      Cryan/Crohan