From: Fatarm@aol.comAdd to Address Book Date:
Sat, 12 Dec 1998 13:22:49 EST
To:
caoimhghin@yahoo.com Subject: Re: [CRYAN-L] Croghan Cryans
CIA?? Get with the times, man, its the National
Security guys that
everyone'safraid
of these days (just saw the paranoia film "Enemy of the State"
withWill Smith on
Thursday) ....Besides, the priest was probably referencing the Mormons -- now
understandthat
both my husband and mother have good friends who are Mormons, but
likethe Japanese,
they've got a reputation with their cameras.
I heard areference from an Irish researcher that a few years ago in
From: RWWPhoto@aol.comAdd to Address
Book Date: Sat, 12 Dec 1998 15:50:09 EST
To:
caoimhghin@yahoo.com Cc: RWWPhoto@aol.com Subject: Re: [CRYAN-L] Croghan Cryans
Caoimhghin
I am a very recent subscriber to the
list and did not receive (see) the
Croghan list of
births you referred to in your posting.
Could you send
aprivate copy via
E-mail? Thank you
Roger W. Wilson........RWWPHOTO@AOL.COM
From: RWWPhoto@aol.comAdd to Address
Book Date: Sun, 13 Dec 1998 11:09:09 EST
Subject:
[CRYAN-L] "CROWEN"
To: CRYAN-L@rootsweb.com
As I tried to
pronounce the array of "CR......"
surnames on the list
trailerI found
several that were phonetically the same as CROWEN and wondered
if thelist could
add "one more" sound-alike? In
addition, has anyone run
into theabove
while tracking down their sound-alike ?
I don't think the
CROWENs
thatarrived from
theyarrived in the
on thezillions of
passenger lists. I would appreciate
anyone's "best guess"
as towhat the
surname might have been in
Roger W.
Wilson.....RWWPHOTO@AOL.COM
From: Fatarm@aol.comAdd to Address Book Date:
Mon, 14 Dec 1998 12:00:28 EST
Subject:
[CRYAN-L] Crane, Crowen and pronunciations To:
CRYAN-L@rootsweb.com
I think Roger has
hit the head of the nail square on ...
And, Roger,yourspelling reminds me of Wendy's ancestor, Thomas
Craun/Crawn, Chrahan,Chroughan, Crone, etc.
You might want to start looking at Croghans --sinceCrowen has been a
bust, and I'm assuming your "Crowen" is pronounced
somethinglike
Croghan. How DO you Croghans pronounce
it?? Could Crowen be a
form ofCrown or
Cowan?It might be nice to do a phonetic roll-call at some point. Last week I
hadthe pleasure of
talking with Tom Crane, father to Lisa (she's on themailinglist). He has sent me a nice write-up on his family
line. He has beenableto trace his Crane
family line to the surnames Crean and Crehan, butanywherehe's heard
"Crehan" pronounced, it sounds "Crane" to him (he's got
Americanears). Unfortunately, Tom's not online. So I'm going to post hiswrite-up
over the next few
days... If you wish to contact him, let
me know andI'll
send his regular
postal address. - Leslie
* * * * * * * * *
* * * * * * * * * *
The
Crane/Crean/Crehan and Cuddy/Cuddihy Family History, by Tom Crane:
1.
My GGgrandparents, Denis and Anne Cuddy.
These names and dates
aretaken from the
U.S. Census of 1880 wherein they were listed as living
in
myGgrandfather's (Patrick Crane) home as "boarders." Denis' occupation
wasgiven as
"blacksmith" and Anne's as "housewife." Because of the other
documents that I
have at hand, I have very reason to believe that the
DenisCuddy (b.
1810) and recorded in the 1880 Census is somehow directly
related tothe
Denis Cuddy listed in E.H. Sheehan's book titled, "Nenagh and Its
Neighborhood,"
wherein on page 77 the following entry is made under the
paragraph titled,
"Some Inscriptions From Tombs in Friary, Nenagh:"
Cuddy, Denis, - Grocer and
woolen-draper,
2.
Michael Crean and Mary Shea.
These names are taken from a
baptismalcertificate
that was provided to me by a Mr. Joseph Kennedy, farmer and
historian, of
Callan, Kilkenny. Joe Kennedy firmly
believes that the
baptismal
certificate is a true record of my Ggrandfather's (Patrick
Crean)baptism. The event took place on January 9, 1844, and
corresponds to
theexact year of
birth for the Patrick Crane that was listed on the
Censusof
1880. Patrick's parent's names were
given as Michael Crean and Mary
Sheaand the
sponsors were Thomas Coady and Catherine Shea.
The event was
recordedat the
Dioceseof Cashel.
(to be continued
...)
From: "Michael Tobin"
<tobinmi@hotmail.com>Add to Address Book
Date: Mon, 14 Dec 1998
11:24:03 PST Subject: [CRYAN-L]
Keash records To: CRYAN-L@rootsweb.com
Eve,
In relation to the
Keash film which you recently referred to, I have
the following
observations.
Earlier this year
(before this list started), I had the opportunity to look at the original Keash
records. While I did not note all Cryan details down as there were so many, I
had made note of some dates in
the intervals
which you indicate are missing. For example, I noted a marriage record of John
Creane to Eleanor Clarke on 19 Jan 1834, a marraige record for Marthin Cryan to
Anna Ward on 22 July 1845, and
many others
outside the time period which you saw.The records weren't ordered strictly in
sequence in the book, with many blank pages separating some years. I wonder
were mistakes made in
copying the
material to film and some of the original material omitted? There certainly
were some years missing from the originals, but Ididn't think it was to the
extent that the film you have suggests (just to
confirm you
indicated it had records for only 1842 -47, 1852-55 and 1872-80). The records I
looked at went from c 1843 (except for the one 1834 record to which I refer
above) to 1900.
There was a gap at
one stage, but I can't recall which years it was - but it was only of the order
of 10 years or less I think. Apparantly, the gap in the records was due to
their being burned by the parish
priest's
housekeeper over some row she had with the parish priest. It must have been a
pretty serious row!In relation to the John Cryan (s) and which of them is mine,
I don't know yet. Based on my current information, I'm almost certain that my
John Cryan's father was a Matthew Cryan - but I've yet to confirm this. I
notice that for one of the John's for whom you list the birth record- that one
of the godparents was a Matthew. Interesting as they may all have been cousins.
I had indicated in an email to the list way way back that I hoped to post the
details which I had recorded from Keash atsome stage. Perhaps we can
collaborate on this as between us, we will have got a good few of the pre-1900
records. I hope to return to Keash to look at the originals before posting my
information so that I can double-check it.
regardsmichael
Date: Mon, 14 Dec 1998 14:45:39 -0500
(EST) From: simone samuel
<amethyst@inch.com>Add to Address Book Subject: Re: [CRYAN-L] first names To:
CRYAN-L@rootsweb.com
On Mon, 14 Dec
1998, Michael Tobin wrote:
> To add my
thrup'pence worth to the discussion on firstnames, I agree
> completely
that many people were named Mary or Marie after Our Lady -
> probably so
many that you still often adhered to the tradition of
naming > the
girl after a grandmother also. Anne was a very popular name also
- > after Our
Lady's mother. Even today Mary or Marie
is a quite common
> first and
middle name in Ireland.> It's my middle name, after my half-Irish
grandmother Mary, and a
Lithuanian grandma
who grew up as Theresa Mary. <snip about Joseph>
> For the
firstname of Arthur, I'm not entirely sure if it can be > classified as an
English name. I vaguely recall that one of the High > Kings of Ireland was
named Art O'Connor. Perhaps the English borrowed
> the name from
the Irish [Was King Arthur not an Irish emigrant? :-)]
> Well, all my
name books (first names were an early obsession asI've neverbeen satisfied with
"Theresa") say it's "Celtic," or I believe
"Gaelic"in some, which is ambiguous I understand as to Scottish/Irish
etc. I'vealways associated it as Scottish, assumed the MacArthurs and McArthurs
were all of
Scottish origin (or most.) But my assumptions have manytimesbeen wrong. I'm
1/umpteenth scottish, and an itty bit Welsh, btw, notthatthis gives me any
extra credence.
Theresa Mary who
is incredibly busy at this very moment, and just answering this one
li'l thing before
she forgets.
Reply-To: "Family History" <
> From: "Family History" <
>Add to Address Book Date: Tue, 15 Dec 1998 08:36:13 -0000
Subject: [CRYAN-L] Re CROWEN To: CRYAN-L@rootsweb.com
Hi Roger,
I would suggest
that the nearest version of the name woud be CROGHAN,
pronounced CRO -
AN. So welcome on board.The most likely time for the name to be fixed at an
alternativespelling iswhen going through immigration and the officers write
down what they
"hear"in
a "foreign accent" or in many cases what they think they hear.
Andbeing
under pressure it
would seem not to matter whether the immigrants areliterate or not and can
spell their own name, the "new" name is what isofficial !There is a
web site dealing with immigration at
know the URL but
it can be got via the search engines Yahoo andAltavista.There are CRYAN people
there.Until again Eve
From: "Michael Tobin"
<tobinmi@hotmail.com>Add to Address Book
Date: Tue, 15 Dec 1998
04:56:23 PST Subject: [CRYAN-L]
Another variation of the Cryan name
To: CRYAN-L@rootsweb.com
I recently picked
up a small booklet in a bookshop in
"The Abbey of
Kilnalahan" by Abbey Community Development Association.
Abbey is a village
in south-east
or friary in the
centre of the village. The abbey dated from the
mid-thirteenth
century and is now in ruins. It was ran by the
Carthusian monks
initially from 1252 to 1341. The Fransiscans ran it from 1341 for
500 years. I
haven't read the booklet in detail yet but on a quick scan
through it, it
lists the guardians of the abbey from 1629 to 1872. Of
the 70 guardians
listed, 23 were members of the de Burgo family. The de
Burgo family
(Burke) were the leading Norman family in
In amongst these
guardians is the name of Thomas Kyran, 1678-1681. 8 of
the 10 guardians
before him were de Burgos. This suggests that he must
have been a man of
some standing if he were intermingled with a leading
family such as the
de Burgos. It also suggests that he must have had
the means to
protect the friary from attack.
Note the
time-period in which this Kryan name is recorded - the 1600's.
I don't think we
have encountered a spelling of Cryan as Cryan beyond
the 1800's so far
- we've come across Crean and other variants before
then. It raises
the question of the origin of the name Cryan again.
Feel free to kick
me if this sounds like complete nonsense.
The spelling Cryan
is alot closer to this Kryan spelling than to other
spellings such as
Crean, etc. Just speculating, but I wonder if Cryan
is a completely
different name to Crean or if it in fact, derives from 2
different sources?
In MacLysaght's book "Irish Families, Their Names,
Arms and
Origins", he lists the O'Crean name and indicates that its the
same as Crehan and
Cregan and that the Irish version of these is
O'Croidheain or
O'Craidhen or O'Croidheagain.
Its spelling as
Cryan is notable by its absense from MacLysaght's list.
I know we had
other postings on this subject in the past but I cannot
recall the
conclusion. I'm not saying that MacLysaght is the gospel on
this stuff, but he
certainly knows alot more than me!
So continuing in
this vein, given that this Kryan who was guardian of
the abbey appears
to have been a man of power in the company of the de
he had some
connection with the Burkes. This is certainly worthy of more
investigation in
the future. There might even be papers preserved on
the de Burgo
family as a leading Norman family.
The source of the
list of guardians is given as "Liber Dubliniensis and
Liber Louvaniensis
in the Franciscan Friary Library, Killiney,
Perhaps sometime,
some of us might have an opportunity to see if there
is any more
information on this Kryan in that library. If we discover
that he was of
Norman origin, it will be a very interesting discovery
for some of us
indeed.
If anyone can
throw cold water on my theories above, please do. Even if
he's not a
same family as the
merchants of
their prominence.
regardsMichael
______________________________________________
From: Fatarm@aol.comAdd to Address Book Date:
Tue, 15 Dec 1998 10:51:13 EST
Subject:
[CRYAN-L] Tom Crane's family, part 2
To: CRYAN-L@rootsweb.com
(Continued from
yesterday):
It should be noted
that when my Ggrandmother, Mary Crane was admitted
into thecounty
poor farm in
thatshe had been
the mother of 10 children yet my father could only name
the same5 children
that were recorded on the U.S. Census of 1880.
Perhaps,
this
[thetraditional naming pattern, of first son after paternal grandfather,
etc.]could explain
the gaps in the naming pattern as it related to Patrick's
andMary's
children.
3. Patrick Crehan and Mary Cuddihy. This entry relates to the record
ofmarriage that
was provided to me by the Nenagh Heritage Society by way
of Mr.Joseph
Kennedy. The event took place on August
2, 1863, at Silvermines,
Tipperary, and the
witnesses were Patrick Shaughnessy and Mary Gleeson.
4. Mary Crehan.
This entry relates to the register of birth of my
great-auntthat I
recieved from teh Irish Records Office.
I was led to this
document bythe
entry that I discovered and that was recorded on microfilm by The
Churchof Jesus
Christ and the Latter Day Saints (Mormons).
The information
that Ihave shown
is copied directly from the original.
Date & place
of birth: 1-1-1865, Garrymore
Name: Mary
Sex: Female
Name and Surname
and Dwelling Place of Father: Patrick Crehan, Garrymore
Name and Surname
and Maiden Name of Mother: Mary Crehan formerly Cuddihy
Rank or Profession
of Father: Miner
Signature,
Qualification & Residence of Informant: Anne Cuddihy
(occupies her
mark)
When Registered:
7-1-1865
Surname of
Register: Calahan
What is
significant about this document is the fact that Anne Cuddihy
signedfor the
record of birth of ther granddaughter (Mary) to her own
daughter,
MaryCuddihy Crehan. Therefore, that Anne
Cuddihy could be none other than
theAnne Cuddy who
was listed as "Boarder" along with her husband, Denis
Cuddy,who both
lived in the home of my Ggrandfather, Patrick Crane, and who
wererecorded on
the U.S. Census of 1880. This supports
my claim that the
names,Cuddy and
Cuddihy, have been used interchangeably by my family as well
as havethe names
Crehan, Crane and Crean also been used interchangeably.
5. John Crane.
My grandfather. I have in my
possession a very
detailed copyof my
grandfather's death certificate. He died
in St. John's Hospital
inSpringfield, IL,
on April 10, 1946, and is buried in Calvary Cemetery.
Hisparents names
were given as Patrick Crane and Mary Cuddy.
In other
words, hisparents
were the same couple who were married as Patrick Crehan and Mary
Cuddihy at
Silvermines/Nenagh, on August 2, 1863.
6. My parents.
Patrick James Crane and Dorothy Agnes March Crane.
(Last section tomorrow)
From:
Fatarm@aol.comAdd to Address Book
Date: Tue, 15 Dec 1998
11:09:49 EST
Subject:
[CRYAN-L] Kyran/Cryan To: CRYAN-L@rootsweb.com
Eve, I'm reminded
of your "internet diet" -- I should be doingsomething less
fulfilling now,
but I can't stop!!!So just a quickie -- I'm very interested in the Kyran (or is
it Kryan?)
spelling. Not that I wish to be disrespectful, since
everyone I've comeacross views MacLysaght's publications as the authority in
thesequestions,but I've wondered exactly what his sources are (they aren't
footnoted). Yes,he references the tomb in Sligo, the Bishop fellow etc., but he
provides a lotmore
information than I've come across, even
with the help of all of
you hereon the
list.
I'm also curious
as to why Cryan is lumped in with O'Crean (it is in
anotherof
MacLysaght's publications -- there are 3 books to my knowledge, and
byO'Hart as
well). Especially if "crean",
"crane", "crehan" are all
pronounced"crane"
-- my "Cryan" is most particularly "Cry-ann". Plus, has anyone
elsenoticed that
the Cryans, at least those posted to this list, don't have
thesame kind of
spelling changes/overlaps with other the O'Crean surname
variations (such
as Creaghan, Crean, etc.)? Maybe,
Michael, you've
found the
foundation ...
Although my
husband will likely go insane -- three months ago he
"forbid"
meto go after the Grahams and K-spelling-variations, saying that I should
content myself
with the letter C. I can't wait to tell
him what you've
found... (grin)
... Leslie
From: ljstandak@webtv.net (Lyle Staehnke)Add
to Address Book Date: Tue, 15 Dec 1998 09:47:57 -0800 (PST)
Subject: [CRYAN-L] RE:Cryan
Spelling To: CRYAN-L@rootsweb.com
My great
grandfather and familey`s name appeared in the Canadian census
in the 1800`s as
Cryne,Croyne and Cryan at different times,,although in
one crown land
document it appeared as Croyne and also Cryan..His two
son`s in Scotland
spelled it Cryan ..I always figured,as some one else
has mentioned,that
it was the census taker who happened to spell it that
way... Although the others are Surnames I`ve run
accross too.. Lyle
From: Fatarm@aol.comAdd to Address Book Date:
Wed, 16 Dec 1998 11:10:06 EST
Subject:
[CRYAN-L] Erica and Tom Crane's finale
To: CRYAN-L@rootsweb.com
Erica - I've been
meaning to get back to you. You
generously offered
to postlines of
research on your web page -- how many can you fit (grin)?
Would youaccept a
little write-up/ad for our mailing list, i.e., our general
lines
ofinquiry/topics of discussion?
Tom Crane's
family, conclusion:
7. This item relates to a family chart that was
provided to me by Mrs.
MarieO'Mearea
Crean whose late husband was Jimmy Crean of Fethard, Tipperary.
According to their
family chart, Jimmy Crean was descended from John
Crean andMary
Gleason. His father, John, was in turn
the son of Michael Crean
and MaryShea. This would make him the brother of Patrick
Crean (my
Ggrandfather)whose
baptismal certificate I have in my possession.
According to
Marie Creanand
some of Jimmy's relatives, John was known to have had a brother by
thename of Patrick
who had separated himself from the family with no known
accounting as to
whatever happened to him. Since Patrick
Crean of
Fethardshares the
same year of birth with the Patrick Crehan/Crane of
Silvermines,Nenagh,
as recorded on the U.S. Census of 1880, and the names of Patrick
Crean's parents of
Fethard, Tipperary, which is in keeping with the
Irishtradition of
assigning Christian names, it is believed by all concerned
thatboth of these
Patricks are one and the same. Perhaps,
through further
investigation,
performed either by myself or my descendants, that
reasoningwill gain
additional support so as to be totally conclusive.
In addition, Tom
has found information on two Patrick Crehans who were
bothborn c. 1840
in Bruff, Co. Limerick:
Although there was
not any record of the marriage of James Crehan and
MaryDaly, the
society did locate the record of marriage of Patrick Crehan
andElizabeth
Browne. They were married on the 26th of
February, 1838. The
witnesses to the
marriage were John Browne and Patrick Riordan.
James Crehan and
Mary Daly had the following issue in Bruff parish:
25-12-1838 Patrick
- godparents: Patrick Creahan & Catherine Creahan
15-03-1840 Mary -
godparents: Patrick Creahan & John Flaherty
19-06-1842 John -
godparents: Richard Fitzgerald & Anna Daly
15-08-1846 James -
godparents: John Crehan & Anna Conway
Patrick Crehan and
Elizabeth Browne had the following issue in Bruff parish:
20-03-1839 Mary -
godparents: Michael Crehan & Catherine Browne
10-01-1841 Patrick
- godparents Patrick Browne & Catherine Browne
06-05-1844 Patrick
- godparents: William Browne & Catherine Browne
14-01-1849
Catherine - godmother: Ellen Rawley
18-02-1854
Margaret - godparents Michael Connors & Catherine Quae
Again, if you
would like to get in contact with Tom, you can through his
daughter on this
list (Lisa) or by emailing me and I'll send his snail
mail info. -
Leslie
From:
Fatarm@aol.comAdd to Address Book
Date: Thu, 17 Dec 1998
20:03:05 EST Subject: [CRYAN-L] 3
new subscriptions and Registry of Deeds from Mary Creaser, part 1
To:
CRYAN-L@rootsweb.com
Hey, what do you
know? We've had three new researchers
join our
mailing listwithin
the last 48 hours ... please welcome them and look for their
postingson their
research (hopefully soon!) ... and, please, you oldbies, don't
be shy-- if
something new's come up, please feel free to post it.
Lyle, thanks for
blowing my conspiracy-theory-like view of the
Kyran/Cryans --it
wouldn't have been much fun not to have confusion with all the
Creans
andCreaghans, now would it?And, so that I continue to whittle/winnow down (forgive
me for notlooking itup, I'm in a hurry) the stack sent by Caoimhghin of Mary
Creaser's
research,tonight
I'm beginning her wonderful notes from the Registry of Deeds,
Henrietta Street,
Dublin: (there probably will be more
than threeparts to
this -- I'll label
them "Creaser's Registry of Deeds, part XX" fromtonighton):
- - - - - - - - -
- - - - - - - -
Precis of
Memorials of Deeds relating to CREAN and CRYAN of Co.s Sligo
and
Roscommon found in
a search of the NAME INDEXES.
[1] 23 December
1747
(Ref. 353 97910)
JOHN CREAN of the
TOWN and COUNTY of SLIGO, merchant, to THOMAS CASEY
of thesame,
merchant;
[JOHN CREAN]
demised and farm let to THOMAS CASEY that house or tenement
situate and lying
in RATCLIFFE STREET, SLIGO, and then in possession of
thesaid JOHN CREAN
together with outhouses, backyard and appurtenances
except theshop
near CALEB BELL's house with a room and cellar together with
thirty feetof
ground adjacent to the said cellar which [....?] to MRS FRANCES FAHY
ofSLIGOE, to have
[........?] the Passage of the said Dwelling House to
holdunto the said
THOMAS CASEY his heirs and assigns for the term of 21
years fromthe 25th
March last at the yearly rent of 10 pounds 10s sterling .....
(usualconditions
for re-entry, distress etc. in case of non-payment of rent.)
[2] 13th June 1767
(Ref. 266 56 167
738)
HENRY CREAN of
STREAMSTOWN, CO. SLIGO, gent., for 264 pounds 8s
sterling
didbargain, sell, etc. to JOHN LLYOD of CROGHAN, CO. ROSCOMMON, Esq., all
landsof
CARROWKEEL, BARONY TIRERAGH, CO. SLIGO for remainder of 21 year term
asdemised to HENRY
CREAN by JAMES MCDONAGH of KNAPPAGH, CO. SLIGO, gent.,
byindenture dated
20 June 1764.
[to be continued
....]
From: Fatarm@aol.comAdd to Address Book Date:
Mon, 21 Dec 1998 10:02:20 EST
Subject:
[CRYAN-L] Fwd: a mess of Irish rsrch URLs To:
CRYAN-L@rootsweb.com
Dear Ellen,
Per your request
for Irish sites for genealogy on the web
http://www.celticenter.com/glossary.htm
http://www.ireland.org/irl_hist/default.htm
http://www.kst.kit.ie/nat-arch/genealogy.html#births
http://ireland.iol.ie/resource/dubcitylib
http://homepage.tinet.ie/~plough (Dublin 1850 Directory look up)
http://www.bess.tcd.ie/irlgen/dirs.htm (Directories in Ireland)
http://www.bess.tcd.ie/irlgen/genweb2.html (Genealogical Guide to
Ireland)
http://www.bostonirish.com (Boston Weekly newspaper)
http://promo.net/pg/ (for Project Gutenberg)
Cullinan
@alphalink.com.au (for Folklore
Commission. IRL
http://www.iol.ie/resource/kennys/
http://doras.tinet.ie (for genealogical queries - all Ireland)
http://kerry.local.ie
Kerryman@indigo.ie
kass@megatropic.com (for Barbados)
http://www.thecore.com/cgi-bin/ire-srch (for Townland Search IRL)
www.oz.net/~cyndihow/ireland.htm (for Irish Links)
http://www.CyndisList.com/ireland.htm
http://www.kerryweb.ie/kerryman/previous.html (The Kerryman Newspaper)
http://world.std.com/~ahern/TIARA.html
www.nbpub.nb.ca/irish/index.htm (for Irish Emigration Articles)
http://www.kst.dit.ie/nat-arch/index.html (for convicts transported)
www.cimorell.com/vbclient/shipmenu.htm
To subscribe
Ship's List
TheShipsList-L-request@rootsweb.com
www.geocities.com/Athens/Ithaca/7974/Ballyferriter/ (for Western
Dinglearea)
http://image.altavista.com/cgi-bin/avncgi (photographs, Ireland)
http://vassun.vassar.edu/~sttaylor/FAMINE
http://www.rootsweb.com/~irish/igsi/casey.htm (for Casey's "OKief
CosheMang.."
volumes Table of Contents)
http://www.niceone.com (searchable database for all Irish websites)
http://lcweb2.loc.gov/ammem/wpaintro/wpahome.html (for American
MemoryCollection
Library of Congress)
I have a lot
more. Tell me what part of Ireland
you're looking at..
Merry Christmas
Mary Ann Schloegl
Grand Blanc,
Michigan
Researching BOWLER, SULLIVAN, MANGAN, DIGGIN County Kerry, Glenbeigh
From: Fatarm@aol.comAdd to Address Book Date:
Tue, 22 Dec 1998 11:37:23 EST
Subject:
[CRYAN-L] Creaser's Registry of Deeds, part 2 (short one) To:
CRYAN-L@rootsweb.com
Creaser's Registry
of Deeds, part 2:
[3] 1794
(Ref. 263 313692)
Memo of indented
Deed of Lease between LAURENCE CREAN of BOYLE, gent.,
andJOHN CURLEY of
BRICKEEN, CO. SLIGO, farmer, of all that part of
DRUMDONEY not
occupied by PAT
CONNELLAN or OWEN GAFFNEY, for term of 16 years, at
rent of10s per
acre per annum.
[4] 28th March
1795
(Ref. 232 313318)
Memo of an
Indenture and Deed of Lease between LAURENCE CREAN of the
Town ofBOYLE, CO.
ROSCOMMON, gent., of the one part, and MICHAEL CONLAN of
ARMAGHCARTY in CO.
SLIGO, Farmer, of the other part, of all that part of
DROMDONYBEGG now
in the actual possession of the said MICHAEL CONLAN,
containing about
30 acres, during the time, term and space of 16 years
from1st May
ensuing the date thereof in as full and ample a manner as he
holds thesame
provided the [title?] of the said ROBERT CREAN in said lands so
longsubsists,
yielding and paying yearly during said lease the sum of 12s
sterlingper acre
for any acre therein contained on the days and times specified
insaid lease for
payment of said rent to said LAURENCE CREAN and is
witnessed byEDWARD
HENRY of BOYLE, PATE HENDERSON and JOHN CONLAN of BOYLE .....
LAURENCE CREAN
seal.- - - - - - - - - -
Merry Christmas,
all! I'm doing another transcontinental
kind of trip,
andhouse-hunting
while out east to boot, so I'll leave your emailboxes
aloneuntil next
week. May you and your families enjoy
the Season, Leslie
From:
"jmitchell" <jmitchell@ameritech.net>Add to Address
Book Date: ed, 23 Dec 1998 22:30:33 -0500
Subject: [CRYAN-L] Crean
Surname/Castleconnor To: CRYAN-L@rootsweb.com
Hi All,
I received the
following from another list today.
Although I'm
researchingCregan/Craigen,
some of you may be interested in CREAN or any of the
othersurnames
listed.
__________________________________________________
Merry Christmas
and Happy Holidays to everyone!
Just wanted to let everyone know that
the Castleconnor,
Diocese ofKillala
records are online and completed. They
include the baptisms,
somebirths,
marriages and death records from 1836-1880.
I hope that they
helpsome of you to
find the peices that you are looking for!
Index of
names
isbelow. From our family to
yours, we wish all of you a wonderful
holidayseason.
Sincerely, Cathie
http://www.rootsweb.com/~irlsli/castleconnor1.html
Index Of Names
Atkinson,
Barrett,
Barron/Barrin, Barry, Battle,
Berane, Best, Bigley, Biglean,
Blake, Boland, Bourke, Bourn/Bourne/Bourns, Bowith, Brenan/Brennan,
Brislane,
Brogan, Brohaney, Broidne,
Browne, Burke, Burns,
Cain, Callaghan, Caraghan, Carbine, Carden, Carey, Carley, Carney,
Carns,Carrell,
Carrel/, Carlin, Carty, Carson,
Casey, Cavanagh, Cavish,
Cawley,Clarke,
Cawley/Cowley, Chearman, Cleary,
Cockran, Coggins/Coggans,
Coleman,Collins,
Conlon, Connaghton, Connel,
Connelly, Connor, Conmy,
Conway,
Cook,Coolican, Costello, Cosgrove, Cosgur,
Coulter, Cowal, Creane, Cuffe,
Culkan/Culkin,
Cullen, Cunane/Cunnane, Cuncart,
Cunnard, Cunningham,
Curran,
Darcy, Deacy,
Deniston, Dempsey, Devaney, Devitt, Diamond, Dixon,
Doecy,Doherty,
Dougherty, Dolphin, Donegan,
Donlon, Donnard, Dooher,
Donnelly,Donnelon,
Dooey, Doudican, Dowd,
Duffy, Dunbar, Dunigan, Durkan,
Dunlavy/Dunlevy,
Eagan/ Egan,
Farris/Ferris ,
Fee, Feeney, Fenaghty/Feenaghty, Fenlon, Ferguson,
Figan,Finan,
Finlon/Finlan, Finigan, Finn,
Fitzpatrick, Flaherty, Flanigan,
Flannelly/Flanelly,
Flatterly, , Fleming/Flemming, Flynn,
Fohnes,
Foody,Ford/Forde,
Fox, Fulfist, Fury,
Gallagher, Garvan,
Gaughan, Gelt, Geraghty, Gettins,
Giblen/Giblin,
Gillard,Gilgan,
Gilmartin, Gillespie, Ginty, Golden, Gordon, Goughan, Gouran,
Gourivan/Gurivan,
Grambs, Grason, Grecian,
Granaghan/Grenaghan, Grant,
Grenin, Gribbons,
Grimbs, Grimes, Gromes, Gronagher, Grumbs, Gudden,
Guhan,
Hallinan,
Hamilton, Hammon, Hanan, Hannan, Hannahan, Hanaugh, Handley,
Hanley, Hannily,
Harkan, Harrison, Hart/Harte,
Haugh, Healey/ Healy,
Heavey, Helly, Heasley, Hegarty,
Hendry, Henegan/Henigan, Herbert,
Heston,Hicks, Higgans, Hinnegan, Holmar, Hope, Hopkins, Hough, Howley,
Hughes,Hughy, Humber,
Igoe,
James, Johnston,
Jones, Jordan/Jourdan, Jude, Judge,
Kahany, Keane, Kearn,
Keaveney, Kelly, Kennedy, Kenny/Kenney,
Kerigan,Kilcawley,
Kilcullen, Kilernagh, Kilgallen, Kilgowan, Kilmartin,
Kilroy,Kine, Kirkwood, Koen, Korican,
Lackan,
Lahany/Lahaney, Lang, Langley, Lanigan,
Laughney, Lavelle,
Lehany,Leonard, Loftus, Lynch,
Madden, Magee, Maginnis,Mahan, Malley, Mark, Mart, May/Maye,Mayle,
Mearon,Melody, Melvin,
Miles, Merick, Misset/Missett, Mofett/Moffett, Molone,
Monaghan/ Monahan,
Monnely, Moran, Morris, Morrow, Moyles, Moony,
Mudders,Mulavey, Mulderig, Muldoon, Mulhaney, Mulhearan, Mullaney,
Mullen/Mullin,Muloney/Mulloney,
Mulrooney, Mullarky, Munnelly, Mully,
Murphy, Murray,
Myles, Mylet,
Mylot,
McAndrew/
McAndrews, McCannMcCanne, , McCavish, McCarrack, McCarrel,
McCormick,
McCoen, McDermott, McDonell/ McDonnell, McDonagh/McDonaugh,
McGarrey,
McGee, McGennis/McGinnis/McGuinnis, McGlone, McGowan,
McGowran,McGuire,
McHale, McHear, McHolm, McHugh, McInnis, McKenney, McKinsie/
McKensey,
McLaughlin, McLeary, McMahon,
McMalaney, McManus, McMorrow,
McNally, McNamara, McNeeley/ McNeilly, McNicholas, McNulty,
Naaree, Nallen,
Narey/ Nary, Naughton, Neary,
Nicholson, Nolon,
Noone,Nucome,
O'Brien, O'Boyle, O'Donnell, O'Dowd,
O'Hara, O'Mealey, Ormsby,
Patterson,
Phleman/Phlemon, Price,
Quinigan, Quinn, Quigley,
Rafter,
Raftery, Raffery, Ranken, Rape,
Rea, Realph/Realphe,
Reap/Reape,Regan,
Reily/Reilly, Renalds/Renolds/ Reynolds,
Rhay, Rice, Rourke,
Rouse,Rich,
Richard, Ridington, Right,Roache, Rochford, Rodgers, Rogan,
Rolston, Rouane/Ruane, Roughneen, Roughner,
Rouse, Rowe, Ruddy,
Rutledge,
Sansfield,
Sargeant, Scott, Shannon, Sheridan,
Shevnane, Smith,
Smyth,Stokes,
Strong, Sweeney,
Taylor, Timlin/Timblin/Timlan, Timlon/Timblan,
Timple, Toughee,
Tuffy,
Wade, Walsh,
Walton, Warrent, Watts, Weir,
Welsh, Weneer, Witters,
Wray,Wright,
Date: Sat, 26 Dec 1998 13:16:53 -0500
(EST) From: simone samuel
<amethyst@inch.com>Add to Address Book Subject: [CRYAN-L] quiet To:
CRYAN-L@rootsweb.com
Hi all,
Either it's been so quiet or I've been so
busy I didn't notice many
holiday wishes on
the list. So, belated merry Christmas and other
seasonalgreetings
:) Now that I have nothing _but_ time for the next month I've
decided that it'd
be best to make a small faq, put it up somewhere and
addto it. I always
try to be exhaustive at the beginning and never get
stuffdone so this
should work better. Also I got some free AOL hours inside a
CD-ROM gift so I'm
going to try to look up Crehans in their member
directory or something.
Happy New Year to all if I don't hear or write
anything before
then.Sincerely,Theresa Mary
Reply-To: "Family History" <
> From: "Family History" <
>Add to Address Book Date: Tue, 29 Dec 1998 11:42:03 -0000
Subject: [CRYAN-L] Late Christmas
Presents To: CRYAN-L@rootsweb.com
A late Merry
Christmas but in time for wishing you all a Happy New Year.
For Lyle and (is
it) Patrick?
>From the Boyle
RC parish records
Martinus CRYAN
christened 7 Jan 1824 son of Daniel CRYAN and Margarita
McDONAGHMargarita
CRYAN christened 26 Dec 1826 daughter of Daniel CRYAN and
Margarita MC
DONAGHJoanem CRINE christened 7 Sept 1829 son of Danielis CRINE and Margaret
MCDONAUGH
NB at this time it
was most usual for the baptism/ christening to take
placeeither on the
same day as the birth or within 3 days(from a church tome
andfrom
observation, sometimes the actual birth date is also given in the
registers. The
normal practice was for the priest to go to the house)
For Leslie and
other Robert enthusiasts
24 Feb 1824
Robertum CRYAN
married Mariam Annan FORD Boyle RC
parish records
28 Aug 1794
(birth) 30 Aug 1794 (christening)
Joannes (John) CRYAN
son of Roberto
CRYAN and Matilda LYTLE Boyle Rc
records
8 April 1805 christening Brigida CRINE
daughter of
Robertus CRINE and Matilda LITTLE Boyle
RC records
27 Nov 1820
christening RobertusCRYAN
son of Johanis
CRYAN and Johanna MURREN Boyle RC
records
30 Jan 1825
Robertus CRYAN
son of Robertus
CRYAN and Maria Anna FORD Boyle RC records
more to follow
laterHappy New Year Eve
Reply-To: <rvcrane@ibm.net> From: "Bob Crane"
<rvcrane@ibm.net>Add to Address Book
Date: Wed, 30 Dec 1998 11:09:40 -0500 Subject: [CRYAN-L] Patrick Crane - Roscommon,
Loughglinn ABT 1840 To: CRYAN-L@rootsweb.com
Patrick Crane b
ABT 1800, in Roscommon county,
Lived in Moyne,
close to Loughglynn Lake and woodland. a
Fransican
conventis closeby.
May have married
Margaret Burns. in this RC parish
(Loughglinn,
Loughglynn)(Civil
parish is Tibohine) both Patrick and
Margaret died ABT1840.
They had three
sons - the two younger sons, John and Martin emigrated to
North America
after death of their parents around 1840. John became a
member of the clergy
at Notre Dame University where he was known as
BrotherDionysius
or Brother John of God. He is buried in
the old cemetary at
Notre Dame (b.May 1, 1823- d.June 27, 1897)
Martin lived in
Chicago at time of his death (12/27/1886)
obituary
printedby Holy
Name Catholic ChurchHis wife was Eliza McKiernan of Fermanagh county Ireland.
Searching for
details of emigration for Martin and John,
and the name
ofthe elder son
who stayed in Ireland as well as any
further information about Patrick Crane and Margaret BurnsThis message sent
without benefit of postage or envelope from:
rvcrane@ibm.net
- Bob Crane
From: Fatarm@aol.comAdd to Address Book Date:
Wed, 30 Dec 1998 23:29:32 EST
Subject:
[CRYAN-L] Happy New Year
To: CRYAN-L@rootsweb.com
I hope you all are
having safe and happy holidays, too.
After the 1st
I'llstart posting
more data from Caoimhghin again...
In the meantime,
let me thank you Eve, for keeping the Roberts flowing,
so tospeak. I've got no known connection to those you
kindly posted, but
I'll bethe first
to say I don't know much of anything, and who knows ... maybe
1999will not only
bring me a new home, but some more relatives, too!
Great FAQ idea,
Theresa Mary -- you go girl!
And, just FYI
folks, Michael has kindly agreed to make sure that all
goessmoothly
should I be offline for a few weeks during my upcoming move.
I haveseemed to
attract in the past those movers which believe being weeks
laterthan they
said isn't that big a deal, and I didn't want such an event to
interfere with
this mailing list running smoothly.
Given Michael's
diplomaticskills
(how many times HAVE you kissed the blarney stone??), I'm sure
thesub/unsubbing
etc. from the list shall proceed much more smoothly than
normal.Consider
this a friendly warning that you'll be in better hands near
the endof January,
if only for a few weeks ...
In the meantime,
enjoy your family and friends, and don't forget to
toast
your"four bears" when you raise your glasses tomorrow night ...
Leslie
From: Crogmos@aol.comAdd to Address Book Date:
Fri, 1 Jan 1999 12:36:45 EST
Subject:
[CRYAN-L] Re Croghan research
To: CRYAN-L@rootsweb.com
Happy New year to
everyone ! My New year resolution is to send my family
details so here
they are ;-Michael Croghan born about 1780, probably had a brother James. James
had a sonPatrick
who is buried in a graveyard near Carrogarve Ogulla parish near
Tulsk.Michael is
listed as farming at Carrogarve in the Griffiths valuation
Hugh Croghan son
of Michael born 1812 died 1901 also buried in same
graveyard.Listed
in Griffiths Valuation. - my great great grandfather. There were also two daughters -Maria b.1804
d.1827 buried in samegraveyard Bridget
b.1825 d.1903. Married Maurice Dufficy
ditto
Hugh Married
Bridget(surname possibly Beirne) .Bridget was born 1825
died1872 -dates
from gravestone in same graveyard.
Their family was
;-
THOMAS b. ? died 1904 farmed at Carrogarve followed by
his daughter
RitaKennedy. She
was living at Carrogarve in 1965. She had two sons and two
daughters.Thomas
married Sarah, born 1870 They had two children listed
in 1901census Hugh aged 5 and Sarah aged 1
MICHAEL b?
emigrated to USA had four children by 1965.
PATRICK b.?
emigrated to USA had two childen by 1965.
HUBERT b? died
before 1928 Emigrated to USA.
HENRY B.? died
before 1928 Emigrated to USA Had two children.
JOHN went to live
in Chester England d.1926
BERNARD b.1860
Married , living at Claremorris Co Mayo in 1928, in the
constabulary, son
Hubert.
JAMES BRIAN B.24.8.1862 in the parish of Ballybrougham Tulsk. Died
24.10 1950.
Norwich Norfolk England. Married Grace White.
-He was my
grandfather.
KATE b. about 1865
emigrated to USA . (There is an IGI baptism reference
Elphin Dec 1 1865
for a Catherine Croghan , parents Hugh Croghan and
BridgetBeirne
which may be her)
ELLEN b.1868?
married James Tully, four sons, one daughter.
JOSEPH b,1870 ?
married with one son Hubert. Joseph was station master
inDublin in 1897.
James Brian had
two sons Norman and Samuel and one daughter Matilda all
bornin Norwich.
Samuel married Kathleen they had one
daughter , Patricia
KathleenCulling
Croghan -that's me
Perhaps someone
can find a link with the sons who emigrated to the USA
itwould be great!
Reply-To: "Family History" <
> From: "Family History" <
>Add to Address Book Date: Sat, 2 Jan 1999 13:16:53 -0000
Subject: [CRYAN-L] New Year presents - To: CRYAN-L@rootsweb.com
A Happy New Year
to everyone,
For Roger -I hope
that this fits the bill. If you wish to check them, the records
areavailable to
read at the LDS Family History Centres, but they may have
tosend away to
acquire them.codes - c = christening or baptism
IGI = International Genealogical
Index, available in all
publiclibraries(of
a reasonable size) in England presumably also in the USA
index = the reference no given to
all civil registrations,
and isrequired if
you wish to send to the "National Registry" in Dublin for
thecertificate.
James CRYAN and
Honor BEIRNE(various spellings)no marriage records found
children
Michael c 5 Nov
1854 Boyle RC
Bridgit c 24 Feb
1856 Boyle RC
Anne c 13
Dec1857 Boyle RC
James c 2 Oct 1859
Boyle RC
Martin c 29 Sept
1861 Boyle RC
Hanoria c 22 Nov
1863 Boyle RC
John 17 Aug 1865 IGI prob birth(index 14.98)
no John death in the national
registers
John 30 Aug 1865
IGI probably christening of the same John
Mary Jane birth 2
Jan 1870
The most probable
parents for James CRYAN are
Michael CRYAN and
Bridgit FURY(various spellings)
The names fit
those of James first two children
children
Anne c 20 Nov 1816
Boyle RC
Mary c 1 April
1819 Boyle RC
Winifred c 24 Oct
1820 Boyle RC
Bridget c 9 Oct
1822 Boyle RC
James c 2 July
1824 Boyle RC ***** your James ????
Margaret c 5 April
1826 Boyle RC
John c March 1830 (no date given)
possibly Honor
Beirne's parents are James and Anne ?????
Re RORKE
Over my records
the name Farrel varies in its spelling considerably from
Fargallo to
Francis to Fergallus to Farrellii to all variations in one
family with the
same wife. So I must conclude that a Farrell could be
anyone of the
above variations
Thus - I have
-Patrtium(Patrick) ROARK c 8 Feb 1829
parents Farrell
ROARK and Bridgetae WINN
Boyle RC Fergalus RORKE c 26 Jan 1827
parents Fergalus
RORKE and Brigida WINN
Boyle RC it would seem that Farrel(various spellings) RORKE and Brigid
WINN/WYNNE had 10 children from 1818 - 1842 of which
Fergalus/Farrell and Patrick
areno 4 & 5
A Farrel RORKE
married a Mary CARROLL and had a daughter Anne
christened 15Nov
1847 in Boyle RC
I have no
indications on where they lived. There are lots of RORKEs but
veryfew Farrells.
I have no other
records on any of the aboveAll the best Eve
From: Voltene@aol.comAdd to Address Book Date:
Sat, 2 Jan 1999 18:08:02 EST Subject:
[CRYAN-L] CRYAN - Lowell,MA
obituaries To: CRYAN-L@rootsweb.com
I have obituaries
for the following CRYANS buried in Lowell
cemeteries. Not all resided in Lowell, and many of the obits mention
survivors in
different cities and states. If
anyone would like me to send any to you, please give me thenameand date of
death.
CRYAN
Alexander T, age
75, died 27 Mar. 1956
Anna G. (O'Reilly), a. 50,
died 3 Apr. 1936
Annie, Miss,
a. 47, died 11 Nov. 1922
Annie, a. 88, died 20 Nov. 1962, res.
Medford, MA
Annie J. (McGuane),
a. 92, died 19 Nov. 1972, d. in JamaicaPlain,MA
Ann (Mulhearn), a. 62,
died 29 June 1916, widow of Thomas
Bridget T.,
Miss, a. 80, died 3 Jan. 1949
Bridget (Foley)
a. 73, died 17 Dec. 1921, widow of Michael
Bridget,
Miss., a. 75, died 14 Jan. 1948
Bridget,
(Leighton) a.70, died 19 Nov. 1912, wife of Timothy
Delia
(Bridget)(Sullivan) a. 79, died
23 June 1954, widowofThomas E.
Edward J., a. 83,
died 20 May 1945,
Hannah, Miss, a. 56,
died 16 Aug. 1920
Harriet V.
(Tyrrell), a. 79, died 29 Apr. 1954, widow of John
Irene H.
(Harrington), a. 68, died 21 Mar. 1975
James, a. 55,
died 25 Jan. 1939, res. New York City, NY
James
Charles, a. 35, died 20 Oct 1909, husband of Mary(Conway)
James Joseph, a. 27, died 17 Nov. 1908
James, a. 56,