From: Fatarm@aol.comAdd to Address Book Date: Sat, 12 Dec 1998 13:22:49 EST To:
email@example.com Subject: Re: [CRYAN-L] Croghan Cryans
CIA?? Get with the times, man, its the National Security guys that
everyone'safraid of these days (just saw the paranoia film "Enemy of the State"
withWill Smith on Thursday) ....Besides, the priest was probably referencing the Mormons -- now
understandthat both my husband and mother have good friends who are Mormons, but
they've got a reputation with their cameras.
I heard areference from an Irish researcher that a few years ago in
From: RWWPhoto@aol.comAdd to Address Book Date: Sat, 12 Dec 1998 15:50:09 EST
To: firstname.lastname@example.org Cc: RWWPhoto@aol.com Subject: Re: [CRYAN-L] Croghan Cryans
I am a very recent subscriber to the list and did not receive (see) the
Croghan list of births you referred to in your posting. Could you send
aprivate copy via E-mail? Thank you
Roger W. Wilson........RWWPHOTO@AOL.COM
From: RWWPhoto@aol.comAdd to Address Book Date: Sun, 13 Dec 1998 11:09:09 EST
Subject: [CRYAN-L] "CROWEN" To: CRYAN-L@rootsweb.com
As I tried to pronounce the array of "CR......" surnames on the list
trailerI found several that were phonetically the same as CROWEN and wondered
if thelist could add "one more" sound-alike? In addition, has anyone run
into theabove while tracking down their sound-alike ? I don't think the
theyarrived in the
on thezillions of passenger lists. I would appreciate anyone's "best guess"
as towhat the
surname might have been in
Roger W. Wilson.....RWWPHOTO@AOL.COM
From: Fatarm@aol.comAdd to Address Book Date: Mon, 14 Dec 1998 12:00:28 EST
Subject: [CRYAN-L] Crane, Crowen and pronunciations To: CRYAN-L@rootsweb.com
I think Roger has hit the head of the nail square on ... And, Roger,yourspelling reminds me of Wendy's ancestor, Thomas Craun/Crawn, Chrahan,Chroughan, Crone, etc. You might want to start looking at Croghans --sinceCrowen has been a bust, and I'm assuming your "Crowen" is pronounced
somethinglike Croghan. How DO you Croghans pronounce it?? Could Crowen be a
form ofCrown or Cowan?It might be nice to do a phonetic roll-call at some point. Last week I
hadthe pleasure of talking with Tom Crane, father to Lisa (she's on themailinglist). He has sent me a nice write-up on his family line. He has beenableto trace his Crane family line to the surnames Crean and Crehan, butanywherehe's heard "Crehan" pronounced, it sounds "Crane" to him (he's got
Americanears). Unfortunately, Tom's not online. So I'm going to post hiswrite-up
over the next few days... If you wish to contact him, let me know andI'll
send his regular postal address. - Leslie
* * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * *
The Crane/Crean/Crehan and Cuddy/Cuddihy Family History, by Tom Crane:
1. My GGgrandparents, Denis and Anne Cuddy. These names and dates
aretaken from the U.S. Census of 1880 wherein they were listed as living
in myGgrandfather's (Patrick Crane) home as "boarders." Denis' occupation
wasgiven as "blacksmith" and Anne's as "housewife." Because of the other
documents that I have at hand, I have very reason to believe that the
DenisCuddy (b. 1810) and recorded in the 1880 Census is somehow directly
related tothe Denis Cuddy listed in E.H. Sheehan's book titled, "Nenagh and Its
Neighborhood," wherein on page 77 the following entry is made under the
paragraph titled, "Some Inscriptions From Tombs in Friary, Nenagh:"
Cuddy, Denis, - Grocer and
2. Michael Crean and Mary Shea. These names are taken from a
baptismalcertificate that was provided to me by a Mr. Joseph Kennedy, farmer and
historian, of Callan, Kilkenny. Joe Kennedy firmly believes that the
baptismal certificate is a true record of my Ggrandfather's (Patrick
Crean)baptism. The event took place on January 9, 1844, and corresponds to
theexact year of
birth for the Patrick Crane that was listed on the
Censusof 1880. Patrick's parent's names were given as Michael Crean and Mary
Sheaand the sponsors were Thomas Coady and Catherine Shea. The event was
(to be continued ...)
From: "Michael Tobin" <email@example.com>Add to Address Book Date: Mon, 14 Dec 1998 11:24:03 PST Subject: [CRYAN-L] Keash records To: CRYAN-L@rootsweb.com
In relation to the Keash film which you recently referred to, I have
the following observations.
Earlier this year (before this list started), I had the opportunity to look at the original Keash records. While I did not note all Cryan details down as there were so many, I had made note of some dates in
the intervals which you indicate are missing. For example, I noted a marriage record of John Creane to Eleanor Clarke on 19 Jan 1834, a marraige record for Marthin Cryan to Anna Ward on 22 July 1845, and
many others outside the time period which you saw.The records weren't ordered strictly in sequence in the book, with many blank pages separating some years. I wonder were mistakes made in
copying the material to film and some of the original material omitted? There certainly were some years missing from the originals, but Ididn't think it was to the extent that the film you have suggests (just to
confirm you indicated it had records for only 1842 -47, 1852-55 and 1872-80). The records I looked at went from c 1843 (except for the one 1834 record to which I refer above) to 1900.
There was a gap at one stage, but I can't recall which years it was - but it was only of the order of 10 years or less I think. Apparantly, the gap in the records was due to their being burned by the parish
priest's housekeeper over some row she had with the parish priest. It must have been a pretty serious row!In relation to the John Cryan (s) and which of them is mine, I don't know yet. Based on my current information, I'm almost certain that my John Cryan's father was a Matthew Cryan - but I've yet to confirm this. I notice that for one of the John's for whom you list the birth record- that one of the godparents was a Matthew. Interesting as they may all have been cousins. I had indicated in an email to the list way way back that I hoped to post the details which I had recorded from Keash atsome stage. Perhaps we can collaborate on this as between us, we will have got a good few of the pre-1900 records. I hope to return to Keash to look at the originals before posting my information so that I can double-check it.
Date: Mon, 14 Dec 1998 14:45:39 -0500 (EST) From: simone samuel <firstname.lastname@example.org>Add to Address Book Subject: Re: [CRYAN-L] first names To: CRYAN-L@rootsweb.com
On Mon, 14 Dec 1998, Michael Tobin wrote:
> To add my thrup'pence worth to the discussion on firstnames, I agree
> completely that many people were named Mary or Marie after Our Lady -
> probably so many that you still often adhered to the tradition of
naming > the girl after a grandmother also. Anne was a very popular name also
- > after Our Lady's mother. Even today Mary or Marie is a quite common
> first and middle name in Ireland.> It's my middle name, after my half-Irish grandmother Mary, and a
Lithuanian grandma who grew up as Theresa Mary. <snip about Joseph>
> For the firstname of Arthur, I'm not entirely sure if it can be > classified as an English name. I vaguely recall that one of the High > Kings of Ireland was named Art O'Connor. Perhaps the English borrowed
> the name from the Irish [Was King Arthur not an Irish emigrant? :-)]
> Well, all my name books (first names were an early obsession asI've neverbeen satisfied with "Theresa") say it's "Celtic," or I believe "Gaelic"in some, which is ambiguous I understand as to Scottish/Irish etc. I'vealways associated it as Scottish, assumed the MacArthurs and McArthurs
were all of Scottish origin (or most.) But my assumptions have manytimesbeen wrong. I'm 1/umpteenth scottish, and an itty bit Welsh, btw, notthatthis gives me any extra credence.
Theresa Mary who is incredibly busy at this very moment, and just answering this one
li'l thing before she forgets.
Reply-To: "Family History" < > From: "Family History" < >Add to Address Book Date: Tue, 15 Dec 1998 08:36:13 -0000
Subject: [CRYAN-L] Re CROWEN To: CRYAN-L@rootsweb.com
I would suggest that the nearest version of the name woud be CROGHAN,
pronounced CRO - AN. So welcome on board.The most likely time for the name to be fixed at an alternativespelling iswhen going through immigration and the officers write down what they
"hear"in a "foreign accent" or in many cases what they think they hear. Andbeing
under pressure it
would seem not to matter whether the immigrants areliterate or not and can
spell their own name, the "new" name is what isofficial !There is a
web site dealing with immigration at
know the URL but it can be got via the search engines Yahoo andAltavista.There are CRYAN people there.Until again Eve
From: "Michael Tobin" <email@example.com>Add to Address Book Date: Tue, 15 Dec 1998 04:56:23 PST Subject: [CRYAN-L] Another variation of the Cryan name To: CRYAN-L@rootsweb.com
I recently picked
up a small booklet in a bookshop in
"The Abbey of Kilnalahan" by Abbey Community Development Association.
Abbey is a village
or friary in the centre of the village. The abbey dated from the
mid-thirteenth century and is now in ruins. It was ran by the
Carthusian monks initially from 1252 to 1341. The Fransiscans ran it from 1341 for
500 years. I haven't read the booklet in detail yet but on a quick scan
through it, it lists the guardians of the abbey from 1629 to 1872. Of
the 70 guardians listed, 23 were members of the de Burgo family. The de
(Burke) were the leading Norman family in
In amongst these guardians is the name of Thomas Kyran, 1678-1681. 8 of
the 10 guardians before him were de Burgos. This suggests that he must
have been a man of some standing if he were intermingled with a leading
family such as the de Burgos. It also suggests that he must have had
the means to protect the friary from attack.
Note the time-period in which this Kryan name is recorded - the 1600's.
I don't think we have encountered a spelling of Cryan as Cryan beyond
the 1800's so far - we've come across Crean and other variants before
then. It raises the question of the origin of the name Cryan again.
Feel free to kick me if this sounds like complete nonsense.
The spelling Cryan is alot closer to this Kryan spelling than to other
spellings such as Crean, etc. Just speculating, but I wonder if Cryan
is a completely different name to Crean or if it in fact, derives from 2
different sources? In MacLysaght's book "Irish Families, Their Names,
Arms and Origins", he lists the O'Crean name and indicates that its the
same as Crehan and Cregan and that the Irish version of these is
O'Croidheain or O'Craidhen or O'Croidheagain.
Its spelling as Cryan is notable by its absense from MacLysaght's list.
I know we had other postings on this subject in the past but I cannot
recall the conclusion. I'm not saying that MacLysaght is the gospel on
this stuff, but he certainly knows alot more than me!
So continuing in this vein, given that this Kryan who was guardian of
the abbey appears to have been a man of power in the company of the de
he had some connection with the Burkes. This is certainly worthy of more
investigation in the future. There might even be papers preserved on
the de Burgo family as a leading Norman family.
The source of the list of guardians is given as "Liber Dubliniensis and
in the Franciscan Friary Library, Killiney,
Perhaps sometime, some of us might have an opportunity to see if there
is any more information on this Kryan in that library. If we discover
that he was of Norman origin, it will be a very interesting discovery
for some of us indeed.
If anyone can throw cold water on my theories above, please do. Even if
he's not a
same family as the
From: Fatarm@aol.comAdd to Address Book Date: Tue, 15 Dec 1998 10:51:13 EST
Subject: [CRYAN-L] Tom Crane's family, part 2 To: CRYAN-L@rootsweb.com
(Continued from yesterday):
It should be noted that when my Ggrandmother, Mary Crane was admitted
poor farm in
thatshe had been the mother of 10 children yet my father could only name
the same5 children that were recorded on the U.S. Census of 1880. Perhaps,
this [thetraditional naming pattern, of first son after paternal grandfather,
etc.]could explain the gaps in the naming pattern as it related to Patrick's
3. Patrick Crehan and Mary Cuddihy. This entry relates to the record
ofmarriage that was provided to me by the Nenagh Heritage Society by way
of Mr.Joseph Kennedy. The event took place on August 2, 1863, at Silvermines,
Tipperary, and the witnesses were Patrick Shaughnessy and Mary Gleeson.
4. Mary Crehan. This entry relates to the register of birth of my
great-auntthat I recieved from teh Irish Records Office. I was led to this
document bythe entry that I discovered and that was recorded on microfilm by The
Churchof Jesus Christ and the Latter Day Saints (Mormons). The information
that Ihave shown is copied directly from the original.
Date & place of birth: 1-1-1865, Garrymore
Name and Surname and Dwelling Place of Father: Patrick Crehan, Garrymore
Name and Surname and Maiden Name of Mother: Mary Crehan formerly Cuddihy
Rank or Profession of Father: Miner
Signature, Qualification & Residence of Informant: Anne Cuddihy
(occupies her mark)
When Registered: 7-1-1865
Surname of Register: Calahan
What is significant about this document is the fact that Anne Cuddihy
signedfor the record of birth of ther granddaughter (Mary) to her own
daughter, MaryCuddihy Crehan. Therefore, that Anne Cuddihy could be none other than
theAnne Cuddy who was listed as "Boarder" along with her husband, Denis
Cuddy,who both lived in the home of my Ggrandfather, Patrick Crane, and who
wererecorded on the U.S. Census of 1880. This supports my claim that the
names,Cuddy and Cuddihy, have been used interchangeably by my family as well
as havethe names Crehan, Crane and Crean also been used interchangeably.
5. John Crane. My grandfather. I have in my possession a very
detailed copyof my grandfather's death certificate. He died in St. John's Hospital
inSpringfield, IL, on April 10, 1946, and is buried in Calvary Cemetery.
Hisparents names were given as Patrick Crane and Mary Cuddy. In other
words, hisparents were the same couple who were married as Patrick Crehan and Mary
Cuddihy at Silvermines/Nenagh, on August 2, 1863.
6. My parents. Patrick James Crane and Dorothy Agnes March Crane.
(Last section tomorrow)
From: Fatarm@aol.comAdd to Address Book Date: Tue, 15 Dec 1998 11:09:49 EST
Subject: [CRYAN-L] Kyran/Cryan To: CRYAN-L@rootsweb.com
Eve, I'm reminded of your "internet diet" -- I should be doingsomething less
fulfilling now, but I can't stop!!!So just a quickie -- I'm very interested in the Kyran (or is it Kryan?)
spelling. Not that I wish to be disrespectful, since everyone I've comeacross views MacLysaght's publications as the authority in thesequestions,but I've wondered exactly what his sources are (they aren't footnoted). Yes,he references the tomb in Sligo, the Bishop fellow etc., but he
provides a lotmore information than I've come across, even with the help of all of
you hereon the list.
I'm also curious as to why Cryan is lumped in with O'Crean (it is in
anotherof MacLysaght's publications -- there are 3 books to my knowledge, and
byO'Hart as well). Especially if "crean", "crane", "crehan" are all
pronounced"crane" -- my "Cryan" is most particularly "Cry-ann". Plus, has anyone
elsenoticed that the Cryans, at least those posted to this list, don't have
thesame kind of spelling changes/overlaps with other the O'Crean surname
variations (such as Creaghan, Crean, etc.)? Maybe, Michael, you've
found the foundation ...
Although my husband will likely go insane -- three months ago he
"forbid" meto go after the Grahams and K-spelling-variations, saying that I should
content myself with the letter C. I can't wait to tell him what you've
found... (grin) ... Leslie
From: firstname.lastname@example.org (Lyle Staehnke)Add to Address Book Date: Tue, 15 Dec 1998 09:47:57 -0800 (PST) Subject: [CRYAN-L] RE:Cryan Spelling To: CRYAN-L@rootsweb.com
My great grandfather and familey`s name appeared in the Canadian census
in the 1800`s as Cryne,Croyne and Cryan at different times,,although in
one crown land document it appeared as Croyne and also Cryan..His two
son`s in Scotland spelled it Cryan ..I always figured,as some one else
has mentioned,that it was the census taker who happened to spell it that
way... Although the others are Surnames I`ve run accross too.. Lyle
From: Fatarm@aol.comAdd to Address Book Date: Wed, 16 Dec 1998 11:10:06 EST
Subject: [CRYAN-L] Erica and Tom Crane's finale To: CRYAN-L@rootsweb.com
Erica - I've been meaning to get back to you. You generously offered
to postlines of research on your web page -- how many can you fit (grin)?
Would youaccept a little write-up/ad for our mailing list, i.e., our general
lines ofinquiry/topics of discussion?
Tom Crane's family, conclusion:
7. This item relates to a family chart that was provided to me by Mrs.
MarieO'Mearea Crean whose late husband was Jimmy Crean of Fethard, Tipperary.
According to their family chart, Jimmy Crean was descended from John
Crean andMary Gleason. His father, John, was in turn the son of Michael Crean
and MaryShea. This would make him the brother of Patrick Crean (my
Ggrandfather)whose baptismal certificate I have in my possession. According to
Marie Creanand some of Jimmy's relatives, John was known to have had a brother by
thename of Patrick who had separated himself from the family with no known
accounting as to whatever happened to him. Since Patrick Crean of
Fethardshares the same year of birth with the Patrick Crehan/Crane of
Silvermines,Nenagh, as recorded on the U.S. Census of 1880, and the names of Patrick
Crean's parents of Fethard, Tipperary, which is in keeping with the
Irishtradition of assigning Christian names, it is believed by all concerned
thatboth of these Patricks are one and the same. Perhaps, through further
investigation, performed either by myself or my descendants, that
reasoningwill gain additional support so as to be totally conclusive.
In addition, Tom has found information on two Patrick Crehans who were
bothborn c. 1840 in Bruff, Co. Limerick:
Although there was not any record of the marriage of James Crehan and
MaryDaly, the society did locate the record of marriage of Patrick Crehan
andElizabeth Browne. They were married on the 26th of February, 1838. The
witnesses to the marriage were John Browne and Patrick Riordan.
James Crehan and Mary Daly had the following issue in Bruff parish:
25-12-1838 Patrick - godparents: Patrick Creahan & Catherine Creahan
15-03-1840 Mary - godparents: Patrick Creahan & John Flaherty
19-06-1842 John - godparents: Richard Fitzgerald & Anna Daly
15-08-1846 James - godparents: John Crehan & Anna Conway
Patrick Crehan and Elizabeth Browne had the following issue in Bruff parish:
20-03-1839 Mary - godparents: Michael Crehan & Catherine Browne
10-01-1841 Patrick - godparents Patrick Browne & Catherine Browne
06-05-1844 Patrick - godparents: William Browne & Catherine Browne
14-01-1849 Catherine - godmother: Ellen Rawley
18-02-1854 Margaret - godparents Michael Connors & Catherine Quae
Again, if you would like to get in contact with Tom, you can through his
daughter on this list (Lisa) or by emailing me and I'll send his snail
mail info. - Leslie
From: Fatarm@aol.comAdd to Address Book Date: Thu, 17 Dec 1998 20:03:05 EST Subject: [CRYAN-L] 3 new subscriptions and Registry of Deeds from Mary Creaser, part 1
Hey, what do you know? We've had three new researchers join our
mailing listwithin the last 48 hours ... please welcome them and look for their
postingson their research (hopefully soon!) ... and, please, you oldbies, don't
be shy-- if something new's come up, please feel free to post it.
Lyle, thanks for blowing my conspiracy-theory-like view of the
Kyran/Cryans --it wouldn't have been much fun not to have confusion with all the
Creans andCreaghans, now would it?And, so that I continue to whittle/winnow down (forgive me for notlooking itup, I'm in a hurry) the stack sent by Caoimhghin of Mary Creaser's
research,tonight I'm beginning her wonderful notes from the Registry of Deeds,
Henrietta Street, Dublin: (there probably will be more than threeparts to
this -- I'll label them "Creaser's Registry of Deeds, part XX" fromtonighton):
- - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - -
Precis of Memorials of Deeds relating to CREAN and CRYAN of Co.s Sligo
Roscommon found in a search of the NAME INDEXES.
 23 December 1747
(Ref. 353 97910)
JOHN CREAN of the TOWN and COUNTY of SLIGO, merchant, to THOMAS CASEY
of thesame, merchant;
[JOHN CREAN] demised and farm let to THOMAS CASEY that house or tenement
situate and lying in RATCLIFFE STREET, SLIGO, and then in possession of
thesaid JOHN CREAN together with outhouses, backyard and appurtenances
except theshop near CALEB BELL's house with a room and cellar together with
thirty feetof ground adjacent to the said cellar which [....?] to MRS FRANCES FAHY
ofSLIGOE, to have [........?] the Passage of the said Dwelling House to
holdunto the said THOMAS CASEY his heirs and assigns for the term of 21
years fromthe 25th March last at the yearly rent of 10 pounds 10s sterling .....
(usualconditions for re-entry, distress etc. in case of non-payment of rent.)
 13th June 1767
(Ref. 266 56 167 738)
HENRY CREAN of STREAMSTOWN, CO. SLIGO, gent., for 264 pounds 8s
sterling didbargain, sell, etc. to JOHN LLYOD of CROGHAN, CO. ROSCOMMON, Esq., all
landsof CARROWKEEL, BARONY TIRERAGH, CO. SLIGO for remainder of 21 year term
asdemised to HENRY CREAN by JAMES MCDONAGH of KNAPPAGH, CO. SLIGO, gent.,
byindenture dated 20 June 1764.
[to be continued ....]
From: Fatarm@aol.comAdd to Address Book Date: Mon, 21 Dec 1998 10:02:20 EST
Subject: [CRYAN-L] Fwd: a mess of Irish rsrch URLs To: CRYAN-L@rootsweb.com
Per your request for Irish sites for genealogy on the web
http://homepage.tinet.ie/~plough (Dublin 1850 Directory look up)
http://www.bess.tcd.ie/irlgen/dirs.htm (Directories in Ireland)
http://www.bess.tcd.ie/irlgen/genweb2.html (Genealogical Guide to
http://www.bostonirish.com (Boston Weekly newspaper)
http://promo.net/pg/ (for Project Gutenberg)
Cullinan @alphalink.com.au (for Folklore Commission. IRL
http://doras.tinet.ie (for genealogical queries - all Ireland)
email@example.com (for Barbados)
http://www.thecore.com/cgi-bin/ire-srch (for Townland Search IRL)
www.oz.net/~cyndihow/ireland.htm (for Irish Links)
http://www.kerryweb.ie/kerryman/previous.html (The Kerryman Newspaper)
www.nbpub.nb.ca/irish/index.htm (for Irish Emigration Articles)
http://www.kst.dit.ie/nat-arch/index.html (for convicts transported)
To subscribe Ship's List TheShipsList-Lfirstname.lastname@example.org
www.geocities.com/Athens/Ithaca/7974/Ballyferriter/ (for Western
http://image.altavista.com/cgi-bin/avncgi (photographs, Ireland)
http://www.rootsweb.com/~irish/igsi/casey.htm (for Casey's "OKief
CosheMang.." volumes Table of Contents)
http://www.niceone.com (searchable database for all Irish websites)
http://lcweb2.loc.gov/ammem/wpaintro/wpahome.html (for American
MemoryCollection Library of Congress)
I have a lot more. Tell me what part of Ireland you're looking at..
Mary Ann Schloegl
Grand Blanc, Michigan
Researching BOWLER, SULLIVAN, MANGAN, DIGGIN County Kerry, Glenbeigh
From: Fatarm@aol.comAdd to Address Book Date: Tue, 22 Dec 1998 11:37:23 EST
Subject: [CRYAN-L] Creaser's Registry of Deeds, part 2 (short one) To: CRYAN-L@rootsweb.com
Creaser's Registry of Deeds, part 2:
(Ref. 263 313692)
Memo of indented Deed of Lease between LAURENCE CREAN of BOYLE, gent.,
andJOHN CURLEY of BRICKEEN, CO. SLIGO, farmer, of all that part of
occupied by PAT CONNELLAN or OWEN GAFFNEY, for term of 16 years, at
rent of10s per acre per annum.
 28th March 1795
(Ref. 232 313318)
Memo of an Indenture and Deed of Lease between LAURENCE CREAN of the
Town ofBOYLE, CO. ROSCOMMON, gent., of the one part, and MICHAEL CONLAN of
ARMAGHCARTY in CO. SLIGO, Farmer, of the other part, of all that part of
DROMDONYBEGG now in the actual possession of the said MICHAEL CONLAN,
containing about 30 acres, during the time, term and space of 16 years
from1st May ensuing the date thereof in as full and ample a manner as he
holds thesame provided the [title?] of the said ROBERT CREAN in said lands so
longsubsists, yielding and paying yearly during said lease the sum of 12s
sterlingper acre for any acre therein contained on the days and times specified
insaid lease for payment of said rent to said LAURENCE CREAN and is
witnessed byEDWARD HENRY of BOYLE, PATE HENDERSON and JOHN CONLAN of BOYLE .....
LAURENCE CREAN seal.- - - - - - - - - -
Merry Christmas, all! I'm doing another transcontinental kind of trip,
andhouse-hunting while out east to boot, so I'll leave your emailboxes
aloneuntil next week. May you and your families enjoy the Season, Leslie
From: "jmitchell" <email@example.com>Add to Address Book Date: ed, 23 Dec 1998 22:30:33 -0500 Subject: [CRYAN-L] Crean Surname/Castleconnor To: CRYAN-L@rootsweb.com
I received the following from another list today. Although I'm
researchingCregan/Craigen, some of you may be interested in CREAN or any of the
Merry Christmas and Happy Holidays to everyone!
Just wanted to let everyone know that the Castleconnor,
Diocese ofKillala records are online and completed. They include the baptisms,
somebirths, marriages and death records from 1836-1880. I hope that they
helpsome of you to find the peices that you are looking for! Index of
names isbelow. From our family to yours, we wish all of you a wonderful
holidayseason. Sincerely, Cathie
Index Of Names
Barrett, Barron/Barrin, Barry, Battle, Berane, Best, Bigley, Biglean,
Blake, Boland, Bourke, Bourn/Bourne/Bourns, Bowith, Brenan/Brennan,
Brislane, Brogan, Brohaney, Broidne, Browne, Burke, Burns,
Cain, Callaghan, Caraghan, Carbine, Carden, Carey, Carley, Carney,
Carns,Carrell, Carrel/, Carlin, Carty, Carson, Casey, Cavanagh, Cavish,
Cawley,Clarke, Cawley/Cowley, Chearman, Cleary, Cockran, Coggins/Coggans,
Coleman,Collins, Conlon, Connaghton, Connel, Connelly, Connor, Conmy,
Conway, Cook,Coolican, Costello, Cosgrove, Cosgur, Coulter, Cowal, Creane, Cuffe,
Culkan/Culkin, Cullen, Cunane/Cunnane, Cuncart, Cunnard, Cunningham,
Darcy, Deacy, Deniston, Dempsey, Devaney, Devitt, Diamond, Dixon,
Doecy,Doherty, Dougherty, Dolphin, Donegan, Donlon, Donnard, Dooher,
Donnelly,Donnelon, Dooey, Doudican, Dowd, Duffy, Dunbar, Dunigan, Durkan,
Farris/Ferris , Fee, Feeney, Fenaghty/Feenaghty, Fenlon, Ferguson,
Figan,Finan, Finlon/Finlan, Finigan, Finn, Fitzpatrick, Flaherty, Flanigan,
Flannelly/Flanelly, Flatterly, , Fleming/Flemming, Flynn, Fohnes,
Foody,Ford/Forde, Fox, Fulfist, Fury,
Gallagher, Garvan, Gaughan, Gelt, Geraghty, Gettins, Giblen/Giblin,
Gillard,Gilgan, Gilmartin, Gillespie, Ginty, Golden, Gordon, Goughan, Gouran,
Gourivan/Gurivan, Grambs, Grason, Grecian, Granaghan/Grenaghan, Grant,
Grenin, Gribbons, Grimbs, Grimes, Gromes, Gronagher, Grumbs, Gudden,
Hallinan, Hamilton, Hammon, Hanan, Hannan, Hannahan, Hanaugh, Handley,
Hanley, Hannily, Harkan, Harrison, Hart/Harte, Haugh, Healey/ Healy,
Heavey, Helly, Heasley, Hegarty, Hendry, Henegan/Henigan, Herbert,
Heston,Hicks, Higgans, Hinnegan, Holmar, Hope, Hopkins, Hough, Howley,
James, Johnston, Jones, Jordan/Jourdan, Jude, Judge,
Kahany, Keane, Kearn, Keaveney, Kelly, Kennedy, Kenny/Kenney,
Kerigan,Kilcawley, Kilcullen, Kilernagh, Kilgallen, Kilgowan, Kilmartin,
Kilroy,Kine, Kirkwood, Koen, Korican,
Lackan, Lahany/Lahaney, Lang, Langley, Lanigan, Laughney, Lavelle,
Lehany,Leonard, Loftus, Lynch,
Madden, Magee, Maginnis,Mahan, Malley, Mark, Mart, May/Maye,Mayle,
Mearon,Melody, Melvin, Miles, Merick, Misset/Missett, Mofett/Moffett, Molone,
Monaghan/ Monahan, Monnely, Moran, Morris, Morrow, Moyles, Moony,
Mudders,Mulavey, Mulderig, Muldoon, Mulhaney, Mulhearan, Mullaney,
Mullen/Mullin,Muloney/Mulloney, Mulrooney, Mullarky, Munnelly, Mully, Murphy, Murray,
Myles, Mylet, Mylot,
McAndrew/ McAndrews, McCannMcCanne, , McCavish, McCarrack, McCarrel,
McCormick, McCoen, McDermott, McDonell/ McDonnell, McDonagh/McDonaugh,
McGarrey, McGee, McGennis/McGinnis/McGuinnis, McGlone, McGowan,
McGowran,McGuire, McHale, McHear, McHolm, McHugh, McInnis, McKenney, McKinsie/
McKensey, McLaughlin, McLeary, McMahon, McMalaney, McManus, McMorrow,
McNally, McNamara, McNeeley/ McNeilly, McNicholas, McNulty,
Naaree, Nallen, Narey/ Nary, Naughton, Neary, Nicholson, Nolon,
O'Brien, O'Boyle, O'Donnell, O'Dowd, O'Hara, O'Mealey, Ormsby,
Patterson, Phleman/Phlemon, Price,
Quinigan, Quinn, Quigley,
Rafter, Raftery, Raffery, Ranken, Rape, Rea, Realph/Realphe,
Reap/Reape,Regan, Reily/Reilly, Renalds/Renolds/ Reynolds, Rhay, Rice, Rourke,
Rouse,Rich, Richard, Ridington, Right,Roache, Rochford, Rodgers, Rogan,
Rolston, Rouane/Ruane, Roughneen, Roughner, Rouse, Rowe, Ruddy,
Sansfield, Sargeant, Scott, Shannon, Sheridan, Shevnane, Smith,
Smyth,Stokes, Strong, Sweeney,
Taylor, Timlin/Timblin/Timlan, Timlon/Timblan, Timple, Toughee,
Wade, Walsh, Walton, Warrent, Watts, Weir, Welsh, Weneer, Witters,
Date: Sat, 26 Dec 1998 13:16:53 -0500 (EST) From: simone samuel <firstname.lastname@example.org>Add to Address Book Subject: [CRYAN-L] quiet To: CRYAN-L@rootsweb.com
Either it's been so quiet or I've been so busy I didn't notice many
holiday wishes on the list. So, belated merry Christmas and other
seasonalgreetings :) Now that I have nothing _but_ time for the next month I've
decided that it'd be best to make a small faq, put it up somewhere and
addto it. I always try to be exhaustive at the beginning and never get
stuffdone so this should work better. Also I got some free AOL hours inside a
CD-ROM gift so I'm going to try to look up Crehans in their member
directory or something. Happy New Year to all if I don't hear or write
anything before then.Sincerely,Theresa Mary
Reply-To: "Family History" < > From: "Family History" < >Add to Address Book Date: Tue, 29 Dec 1998 11:42:03 -0000
Subject: [CRYAN-L] Late Christmas Presents To: CRYAN-L@rootsweb.com
A late Merry Christmas but in time for wishing you all a Happy New Year.
For Lyle and (is it) Patrick?
>From the Boyle RC parish records
Martinus CRYAN christened 7 Jan 1824 son of Daniel CRYAN and Margarita
McDONAGHMargarita CRYAN christened 26 Dec 1826 daughter of Daniel CRYAN and
Margarita MC DONAGHJoanem CRINE christened 7 Sept 1829 son of Danielis CRINE and Margaret
NB at this time it was most usual for the baptism/ christening to take
placeeither on the same day as the birth or within 3 days(from a church tome
andfrom observation, sometimes the actual birth date is also given in the
registers. The normal practice was for the priest to go to the house)
For Leslie and other Robert enthusiasts
24 Feb 1824
Robertum CRYAN married Mariam Annan FORD Boyle RC parish records
28 Aug 1794 (birth) 30 Aug 1794 (christening) Joannes (John) CRYAN
son of Roberto CRYAN and Matilda LYTLE Boyle Rc records
8 April 1805 christening Brigida CRINE
daughter of Robertus CRINE and Matilda LITTLE Boyle RC records
27 Nov 1820 christening RobertusCRYAN
son of Johanis CRYAN and Johanna MURREN Boyle RC records
30 Jan 1825 Robertus CRYAN
son of Robertus CRYAN and Maria Anna FORD Boyle RC records
more to follow laterHappy New Year Eve
Reply-To: <email@example.com> From: "Bob Crane" <firstname.lastname@example.org>Add to Address Book
Date: Wed, 30 Dec 1998 11:09:40 -0500 Subject: [CRYAN-L] Patrick Crane - Roscommon, Loughglinn ABT 1840 To: CRYAN-L@rootsweb.com
Patrick Crane b ABT 1800, in Roscommon county,
Lived in Moyne, close to Loughglynn Lake and woodland. a Fransican
May have married Margaret Burns. in this RC parish (Loughglinn,
Loughglynn)(Civil parish is Tibohine) both Patrick and Margaret died ABT1840.
They had three sons - the two younger sons, John and Martin emigrated to
North America after death of their parents around 1840. John became a
member of the clergy at Notre Dame University where he was known as
BrotherDionysius or Brother John of God. He is buried in the old cemetary at
Notre Dame (b.May 1, 1823- d.June 27, 1897)
Martin lived in Chicago at time of his death (12/27/1886) obituary
printedby Holy Name Catholic ChurchHis wife was Eliza McKiernan of Fermanagh county Ireland.
Searching for details of emigration for Martin and John, and the name
ofthe elder son who stayed in Ireland as well as any further information about Patrick Crane and Margaret BurnsThis message sent without benefit of postage or envelope from:
- Bob Crane
From: Fatarm@aol.comAdd to Address Book Date: Wed, 30 Dec 1998 23:29:32 EST
Subject: [CRYAN-L] Happy New Year To: CRYAN-L@rootsweb.com
I hope you all are having safe and happy holidays, too. After the 1st
I'llstart posting more data from Caoimhghin again...
In the meantime, let me thank you Eve, for keeping the Roberts flowing,
so tospeak. I've got no known connection to those you kindly posted, but
I'll bethe first to say I don't know much of anything, and who knows ... maybe
1999will not only bring me a new home, but some more relatives, too!
Great FAQ idea, Theresa Mary -- you go girl!
And, just FYI folks, Michael has kindly agreed to make sure that all
goessmoothly should I be offline for a few weeks during my upcoming move.
I haveseemed to attract in the past those movers which believe being weeks
laterthan they said isn't that big a deal, and I didn't want such an event to
interfere with this mailing list running smoothly. Given Michael's
diplomaticskills (how many times HAVE you kissed the blarney stone??), I'm sure
thesub/unsubbing etc. from the list shall proceed much more smoothly than
normal.Consider this a friendly warning that you'll be in better hands near
the endof January, if only for a few weeks ...
In the meantime, enjoy your family and friends, and don't forget to
toast your"four bears" when you raise your glasses tomorrow night ... Leslie
From: Crogmos@aol.comAdd to Address Book Date: Fri, 1 Jan 1999 12:36:45 EST
Subject: [CRYAN-L] Re Croghan research To: CRYAN-L@rootsweb.com
Happy New year to everyone ! My New year resolution is to send my family
details so here they are ;-Michael Croghan born about 1780, probably had a brother James. James
had a sonPatrick who is buried in a graveyard near Carrogarve Ogulla parish near
Tulsk.Michael is listed as farming at Carrogarve in the Griffiths valuation
Hugh Croghan son of Michael born 1812 died 1901 also buried in same
graveyard.Listed in Griffiths Valuation. - my great great grandfather. There were also two daughters -Maria b.1804 d.1827 buried in samegraveyard Bridget b.1825 d.1903. Married Maurice Dufficy ditto
Hugh Married Bridget(surname possibly Beirne) .Bridget was born 1825
died1872 -dates from gravestone in same graveyard.
Their family was ;-
THOMAS b. ? died 1904 farmed at Carrogarve followed by his daughter
RitaKennedy. She was living at Carrogarve in 1965. She had two sons and two
daughters.Thomas married Sarah, born 1870 They had two children listed
in 1901census Hugh aged 5 and Sarah aged 1
MICHAEL b? emigrated to USA had four children by 1965.
PATRICK b.? emigrated to USA had two childen by 1965.
HUBERT b? died before 1928 Emigrated to USA.
HENRY B.? died before 1928 Emigrated to USA Had two children.
JOHN went to live in Chester England d.1926
BERNARD b.1860 Married , living at Claremorris Co Mayo in 1928, in the
constabulary, son Hubert.
JAMES BRIAN B.24.8.1862 in the parish of Ballybrougham Tulsk. Died
24.10 1950. Norwich Norfolk England. Married Grace White. -He was my
KATE b. about 1865 emigrated to USA . (There is an IGI baptism reference
Elphin Dec 1 1865 for a Catherine Croghan , parents Hugh Croghan and
BridgetBeirne which may be her)
ELLEN b.1868? married James Tully, four sons, one daughter.
JOSEPH b,1870 ? married with one son Hubert. Joseph was station master
inDublin in 1897.
James Brian had two sons Norman and Samuel and one daughter Matilda all
bornin Norwich. Samuel married Kathleen they had one daughter , Patricia
KathleenCulling Croghan -that's me
Perhaps someone can find a link with the sons who emigrated to the USA
itwould be great!
Reply-To: "Family History" < > From: "Family History" < >Add to Address Book Date: Sat, 2 Jan 1999 13:16:53 -0000
Subject: [CRYAN-L] New Year presents - To: CRYAN-L@rootsweb.com
A Happy New Year to everyone,
For Roger -I hope that this fits the bill. If you wish to check them, the records
areavailable to read at the LDS Family History Centres, but they may have
tosend away to acquire them.codes - c = christening or baptism
IGI = International Genealogical Index, available in all
publiclibraries(of a reasonable size) in England presumably also in the USA
index = the reference no given to all civil registrations,
and isrequired if you wish to send to the "National Registry" in Dublin for
James CRYAN and Honor BEIRNE(various spellings)no marriage records found
Michael c 5 Nov 1854 Boyle RC
Bridgit c 24 Feb 1856 Boyle RC
Anne c 13 Dec1857 Boyle RC
James c 2 Oct 1859 Boyle RC
Martin c 29 Sept 1861 Boyle RC
Hanoria c 22 Nov 1863 Boyle RC
John 17 Aug 1865 IGI prob birth(index 14.98)
no John death in the national registers
John 30 Aug 1865 IGI probably christening of the same John
Mary Jane birth 2 Jan 1870
The most probable parents for James CRYAN are
Michael CRYAN and Bridgit FURY(various spellings)
The names fit those of James first two children
Anne c 20 Nov 1816 Boyle RC
Mary c 1 April 1819 Boyle RC
Winifred c 24 Oct 1820 Boyle RC
Bridget c 9 Oct 1822 Boyle RC
James c 2 July 1824 Boyle RC ***** your James ????
Margaret c 5 April 1826 Boyle RC
John c March 1830 (no date given)
possibly Honor Beirne's parents are James and Anne ?????
Over my records the name Farrel varies in its spelling considerably from
Fargallo to Francis to Fergallus to Farrellii to all variations in one
family with the same wife. So I must conclude that a Farrell could be
anyone of the above variations
Thus - I have -Patrtium(Patrick) ROARK c 8 Feb 1829
parents Farrell ROARK and Bridgetae WINN
Boyle RC Fergalus RORKE c 26 Jan 1827
parents Fergalus RORKE and Brigida WINN
Boyle RC it would seem that Farrel(various spellings) RORKE and Brigid
WINN/WYNNE had 10 children from 1818 - 1842 of which Fergalus/Farrell and Patrick
areno 4 & 5
A Farrel RORKE married a Mary CARROLL and had a daughter Anne
christened 15Nov 1847 in Boyle RC
I have no indications on where they lived. There are lots of RORKEs but
I have no other records on any of the aboveAll the best Eve
From: Voltene@aol.comAdd to Address Book Date: Sat, 2 Jan 1999 18:08:02 EST Subject:
[CRYAN-L] CRYAN - Lowell,MA obituaries To: CRYAN-L@rootsweb.com
I have obituaries for the following CRYANS buried in Lowell
cemeteries. Not all resided in Lowell, and many of the obits mention
survivors in different cities and states. If anyone would like me to send any to you, please give me thenameand date of death.
Alexander T, age 75, died 27 Mar. 1956
Anna G. (O'Reilly), a. 50, died 3 Apr. 1936
Annie, Miss, a. 47, died 11 Nov. 1922
Annie, a. 88, died 20 Nov. 1962, res. Medford, MA
Annie J. (McGuane), a. 92, died 19 Nov. 1972, d. in JamaicaPlain,MA
Ann (Mulhearn), a. 62, died 29 June 1916, widow of Thomas
Bridget T., Miss, a. 80, died 3 Jan. 1949
Bridget (Foley) a. 73, died 17 Dec. 1921, widow of Michael
Bridget, Miss., a. 75, died 14 Jan. 1948
Bridget, (Leighton) a.70, died 19 Nov. 1912, wife of Timothy
Delia (Bridget)(Sullivan) a. 79, died 23 June 1954, widowofThomas E.
Edward J., a. 83, died 20 May 1945,
Hannah, Miss, a. 56, died 16 Aug. 1920
Harriet V. (Tyrrell), a. 79, died 29 Apr. 1954, widow of John
Irene H. (Harrington), a. 68, died 21 Mar. 1975
James, a. 55, died 25 Jan. 1939, res. New York City, NY
James Charles, a. 35, died 20 Oct 1909, husband of Mary(Conway)
James Joseph, a. 27, died 17 Nov. 1908
James, a. 56, died 17 Dec. 1920
James P. a. 65, died 26 June 1966,
James U., a. 81, died 29 Jan. 1990,
John J., a. 59, died Nov. 1954
John J., a. 74, died abt 2 Feb. 1975
John P., a. 64, died 4 Feb. 1939, widower of Anna(O'Reilly)
John P., a. 65, died 25 Jan 1940 husband of Harriett(Tyrrell)
Julia M. (Fitzgerald), a. 60, died 3 June 1925, wife of Thomas
Katherine, a. 12, died 26 Mar 1918
Leo C., a. (?), died 1 Feb. (?), husand of Delima (Laline)
Madeline T., Miss, a. 84, died 19 Dec. 1992
Margaret A. (Murray), a. 68, died 11 Feb. 1934
Margaret J., Miss, a. 82, died 10 Sept. 1959
Margaret A.(Moloney) a. 82. died 24 Apr. 1947, widow of MartinC.
M. Annie, Miss, a. 75, died 13 Aug. 1943,
Mary Louise (Boisvert), a. 35, died 10 Dec. 1928
Mary, Miss, a. 56, died 19 Feb. 1925
Mary, a. 73, died 31 July 1902, widow of Michael
Mary (Conway), a.49, 13 Sept. 1924, widow of James C.
Mary, Miss, a. 95, died 21 Sept 1983
Mary E., Miss, a. 25, died 2 Feb. 1920
Martin C., a. 61, died 27 Mar. 1936 husband ofMargaret A.(Moloney)
Michael ., a. 28, died 6 May 1911
Michael, a. 50, died 8 June 1899
Nellie, a. 2 yrs,5 mos., died 25 Aug. 1907, dau. of ThomasandBridget
Nellie, Miss, a. 58, died 27 Sept. 1939
Nora, Miss, a. 52, died 3 Sept. 1938
Robert W., a. 29, died abt. 25 June 1956, in Boston, noobit.
Rosemary, a. 12, died 2 Nov. 1935
Sarah B.(McMahon) a.71, died 13 July 1911, widow of James
Sarah A. (Igo), a. 29, died 16 Jan. 1905, wife of John
Thomas E.,Jr, a. 52, died 21 May 1952.
Thomas, a. 65, died 14 Apr. 1910
Thomas W., a. (?), died 7 Jan. 1949
Thomas E., a. 62, died 15 Sept. 1934
Thomas, a. 74, died 25 Mar. 1937
Timothy J., a. 52, died 4 May 1970, res. Fitchburg, MA
J. Vincent, a. 8 yrs.,7 mos., died 22 Apr. 1923, son of John &Harriett
Make requests to Karen Murphy
Reply-To: "Family History" < > From: "Family History" < >Add to Address Book Subject: Re: [CRYAN-L] New Year presents -
Date: Tue, 5 Jan 1999 18:23:53 -0000 To: CRYAN-L@rootsweb.com
Do investigate the LDS Family History Centre. They are very helpful, I
havefound.I omitted the film number for the Boyle RC Parish Records which is
989743 A small charge may be made for the hire of the film. It all depends on
whether it is in stock. We borrow the film for 3 months and it stays at
thelocal LDS before being returned to a central loan place. Your system
may bedifferent.The film is a photograph of the actual pages of the parish book and is
forthe most part written in Latin (as I described before) Parts of it are
sofaded that it is difficult to decypher. But it is worth looking at.
I had started to transcribe it but for Christmas was given 5 CDs of LDS
Vital Records and I find that the Boyle records are there with sorting
programs to pick out those of the same name or of the same place or
thosewith the same parents , etc. etc.They are super but do not have all the parishes only a selection of
England, Wales, Scotland and Ireland.We are just lucky that Boyle is there.
Perhapsthere will be more parishes to come later.
In the registers written by the priest for the most part there are
godparents/ sponsors/witnesses to the baptisms and marriages and
sometimesthe townland is given but these extras are not on the CDs
It is also worth remembering that baptisms were usually perfomed in the
house of the family when the babe was a few days old (2or3) and that the
entry was made in the parish book later ,I presume. Which may account
forwhat seems to be some errors of parentage that I have found - correct
surname and wife/mother but father's first name different. Perhaps they
wetthe baby's head with strong water !!!!! - or maybe that is reality !!!
I have been collecting together those of the same family from these
records(the CDs make it much easier to sort the records instead of
having towrite everything down, page by page from the film and then collect
families)and of all the James CRYANs in these records Michael CRYAN and Bridgit
FURYwere the only pair of all possible combinations of your name selections.
I suggest that the John CRYAN buried may be the youngest brother of
Michaeland the Bridgit CRYAN who died aged 75 in 1852 is most likely to be
MIchael's mother born in 1777 or an older unmarried sister. It is
unlikelyto be Bridgit CRYAN nee FURY who would then have been 53 at the birth
of heryoungest child in 1830. To have his first child in Nov 1816 Michael must
have been born before 1797when he would have been 19or 20.
On the otherhand as there are literally hundreds of CRYANs around at
thesetimes in this place - Boyle - it may be coincidence that there are other
not-close-family CRYANs in the same townland.Until again, good luck, Eve
From: Roger Cryan and Regina Pana-Cryan <email@example.com>To: Family History < >Date: 05 January 1999 02:50Subject: Re: [CRYAN-L] New Year presents -
>Eve,> Thank you very much. Michael and Bridget look like a good fit,
although>Kevin's death records showed a John Cryan in Ballinulta, dying in late
1855>at the age of 36.> Do the LDS records have baptismal sponsors? There is a Family History
>Center not far from my home, although I've not yet been there.> I suppose the best means of (more or less) confirming this would befind>the death record for my James Cryan and match it to Michael and
Bridgit's>son.> Thanks again,> Roger Cryan
From: Fatarm@aol.comAdd to Address Book Date: Thu, 7 Jan 1999 10:24:43 EST
Subject: [CRYAN-L] Hi there ... To: CRYAN-L@rootsweb.com
Yup, it's been pretty quiet. I've got to get busy typing again ... Istill
have stuff to post from Kevin / Caoimhghin. I also may get a chance to
get tothe library this month to take another shot at Griffith's etc.
Do you remember, many months ago, when I posted those excerpts from the
Irishnewspaper here in Boston ('here in' = U.S.) about relatives looking for
otherlost relatives? Is there any similar type compilation there in
Australia?Since you all have a similar situation where all but the natives are
fromsomewhere else, I wonder what kind of sources you all have.
In case I do get over to the library next week (assuming that Mother
Naturedoesn't dump another foot or two of snow on us -- January can be SUCH
fun herein the Great Lakes region), is there anything anyone would like me to
look upparticularly (yes, I take requests)? I'm going to look up the few
Crean/Cryans etc. in Co. Mayo on Griffith's just to wrap that up, but
afterthat will look-up whatever. Just email me ...Happy New Year all, Leslie
From: "jmitchell" <firstname.lastname@example.org>Add to Address Book Date: Sat, 9 Jan 1999 21:10:02 -0500 Subject: [CRYAN-L] New Cregan & variations Surname Queries Board
Hi,For those of you researching the sounds-like-Cra-gin form of our
surname,please post your queries on my new board. This board includes any
spellingthat sounds like Cregan including but not limited to Craigen, Cregan,
Creegan,Creighen, Creighan, Cragen, Cragan, Craghan and yes, even Graghan.
As you probably already know, Roots Web gets more hits than any other
genealogical site. Consequently, posting here may help you find some
relativesor your 'dead-end' ancestor's lineage!
Reply-To: "Family History" < > From: "Family History" < >Add to Address Book Date: Mon, 11 Jan 1999 11:00:02 -0000
Subject: [CRYAN-L] Re CRANE/CRAINE To: CRYAN-L@rootsweb.com
Hi Bob, and other CRANEs
I have found the following which may be of relevance to you. They look
to bechildren of your Patrick Crane born about 1800 (take no notice of the
spelling,as it varies from entry to entry, depending on who is writing
itdown and what they hear)Bridgit CRAIN christened 20 March 1822 at Lochglin RC Co Roscommon
parents Patrick CRAIN and Mary BERNCatherine CRAIN christened 21 Dec 1824 at Lochglin RC Co Roscommon parents Patrick CRAIN and Mary BEIRNE
It was the custom to give the paternal grandfather's name to the eldest
sonso that the eldest son of the eldest son of the eldest son all had the
samename. I therefore suggest that the missing brother may haver been named
Patrick. The following could be his children -
John CRANE christened 16 April 1838 at Lochglynn RC Co Roscommon
parents Patrick CRANE and Atteracta RUSH
Mary CRANE christened 19 Sept 1840 at Lochglynn RC Co Roscommon
parents Patrick CRANE and Atteracta RUSH
The records for Lochglynn go from 1817 to 1863 but I have no way of
knowingwhat is missing. I have not found any records for John or Martin who I
suspect were born at about 1820 so I therefore suggest that the family
wereliving in another parish until 1822I hope that this is helpfulYours Eve
From: Fatarm@aol.comAdd to Address Book Date: Thu, 14 Jan 1999 15:15:19 EST
Subject: [CRYAN-L] Registry of Deeds extraction - final sections To: CRYAN-L@rootsweb.com
Mary Creaser's Extraction from Registry of Deeds, Final Part, Part 4:
 27 April 1836
(Ref. Vol. 20 No. 218)
Between JOHN CRYAN of BOYLE, of the first part, and MARY ANNE CRYAN of
BOYLEof the second, reciting that the Rt. Hon. Lord Viscount Lorton did on
thefirst of October 1822 demise etc. to ROBERT CRYAN part of the lands of
DEERPARK containing 11 acres 2 roods 30 perches situate etc. in the
parish andBarony of BOYLE for the term of the natural life of HENRY FRY, son to
HENRYFRY of FRYBROOK, Esq., or for 21 years, whichever was the longer.
ROBERTCRYAN now dead, said JOHN CRYAN as eldest son and heir entitled to 2
acres orthereabouts of said lands as in the possession of MICHAEL CONLAN, PAT
BRENNAN,and MULLANEY, said JOHN CRYAN for and in consideration of the sum of 32
poundsdid grant etc. unto said MARY ANNE CRYAN etc. the said 2 acres of
DEERPARKwith all rents and profits etc..
(Ref. Vol. 33 No. 61)
Marriage Settlement between JAMES REILLY of BOYLE, shopkeeper for the
firstpart, MARY ANN CRYAN, widow, and MARY ANN CRYAN, spinster, (daughter),
of thesecond part, and PETER CRYAN M.D., a trustee, of the third part;
100 pounds marriage portion etc. etc.Witnessed by Catholic priest.
 July 1882
MICHAEL CRYAN to P.W. C., farmer of CARROWCRORY, BARONY OF CORRAN, CO.
SLIGO,loan of 100 pounds for land improvement (Landed Property Improvement
 21 May 1883
PATRICK CRYAN of ARDMOYLE, FRENCHPARK, CO. ROSCOMMON
Loan of 374 pounds for mortgage to purchase.
 20 December 1884
MATHEW [sic] CRYAN tenant farmer of DERNASKEAGH, BARONY OF CORRAN, CO.
SLIGO,loan of 50 pounds.
Witnesses: REV. PATRICK SCULLY, MATTHEW KILLORAN.
- - - - - - - -
NOTES RE: ABOVE DEEDS
List of names taken from the Tripartite Deed of Partition, O'Connor
SligoEstate, Sligo 1687:-
Castle Street: Antony Crean; Tan yard in possession of John Crean.
Old Market Street: John Crean
High Street: John Crean
Radcliffe Street: No Crean, buy Fahy, William Bell, Andrew Lynch (2),
PatrickLynch, merchant, Jas. Gibson, Gregory French etc.
The Crean family of Sligo were linked by marriage to the French and
Ratcliffe Street has been renamed, buy ran west from Castle Street and
theMarket Cross, (once Bishop Crean's Cross buy now a statue).
In the Elphin Census of 1749, some residents of Sligo Town are:
Caleb and William Bell, glovers and protestants, and their wives, also
ThomasBell and wife.
(Nearby) John Crean, soapboiler and Papist, wife, 2 children under 14,
1 manand 1 woman servant, both papists.
William Crean, cotter and papist, wife, 1 child under 14, 2 over 14.
Laurence Crean, cotter and papist, 1 child under 14.
Martin Crean, yarn merchant, and wife, papists.
From: Fatarm@aol.comAdd to Address Book Date: Thu, 14 Jan 1999 15:35:17 EST Subject:
[CRYAN-L] Fwd: Ballykilcline Reunion 1999 To: CRYAN-L@rootsweb.com
Not only is this research group near where we believe a lot of the
Cryansstarted, but three Cryan siblings in their early twenties (two brothers
and asister) were part of the townland group "removed" from the land.
ThereforeI'm forwarding this message on in case any of you Cryan-types might
link inand were as yet unaware of the society. - Leslie
P.S. Please welcome subscriber #48!
From: "Maureen & David Humphreys" <email@example.com>
Old-To: "Bally Mail List Maureen" <firstname.lastname@example.org>
Subject: Ballykilcline Reunion 1999
Date: Thu, 14 Jan 1999 10:28:35 -0800
X-Mailing-List: <IRL-BALLYKILCLINE-L@rootsweb.com> archive/latest/70
The Reunion will be held in the cities of Strokestown and Roscommon,
Ireland.DateAugust 6,7,8,9, 1999
Schedule of eventsFriday August 6
The Welcome Home meeting of the Ballykilcline Society will be held at
theAbbey Hotel, in the city of Roscommon. We will meet new friends and
distan=tcousins during 3-6 PM. Maureen and Grahame Rendell, from the Co.
RoscommonFamily History Society, will present a lecture on the history of County
Roscommon and have Irish research material available for us.
Saturday August 7
We will meet early in the morning at the Famine Museum located in
Strokestown. A private conference room will be provided. Our speaker,
Mr.Jim Callery, will tell us the history of the Strokestown estate of the
Mahons and about the Famine Papers held at the Museum. The Famine Museum
staff will provide a wonderful tour of the Museum.
A lunch in the Coffee shop on the premises will be available. Our
speakerwill be Conor MacDermot who will tell us of the prehistoric history of
theland and current formations we should not miss.
After lunch we will walk the Townland of Ballykilcline. Jim Callery and
Conor MacDermot will lead the walk into the surname fields and visit the
Ballykilcline cemetery. A group photo will be taken on Ballykilcline.
Youcan spend the remainder of the day there or return to the Museum for
A No Host dinner in the evening will feature our guest speaker, Robert
Scally, author of =91Out of Hidden Ireland=92. The location is yet to be
determined, but will be a short drive away.
Sunday August 8
An all faith service will be held on Mass Rock, also know as Legan Hill
inthe parish of Kilglass. The entire parish of Kilglass will be joining
Monday August 9th
Genealogy research workshops will be lead by Mary Lee Dunn,
Co-president o=fthe Ballykilcline Society. Details to follow.
Although membership in the Ballykilcline Society is encouraged, it is
notrequired for attendance. A non-refundable Reunion fee, covering the
cost =ofthe three-day event and admission to the Famine Museum is required by
June15, 1999. Space in the conference rooms is very limited. Please notify
us =ifyou plan to attend so that a Ballykilcline Reunion registration form
The Ballykilcline Society
23486 Heathrow Place NW
Poulsbo, WA 98370
Reply-To: "Family History" < > From: "Family History" < >Add to Address Book Date: Fri, 15 Jan 1999 09:29:32 -0000
Subject: [CRYAN-L] Re CRANE/CRAINE To: CRYAN-L@rootsweb.com
Source of the information is LDS Family History Centre
film number (FHL number) 989753 (Lochglynn RC)
and covers the dates 1817- 1835.
These films are nearly all photographs of the original parish documents.
You will be able to look at the film at your local LDS Family History
Centrewhere they are very helpful.
On the original film sponsors/ witnesses are usually also given but
theseare not on my CDs
I am fortunate to have been given for Christmas the recently published
LDSVital Statistics for the British Isles.This set of 5 CDs have a small
selection of information marriages and christenings and after 1864
NationalRegistry information.There are several but not all of the parishes in
Sligo/Roscommon/Mayo area with, joy of joys, a sorting program.
Feed in a name and out come all the possibles. Some spelling variations
arelinked, some are not, so it is as well to note which are linked and to
tryalso the alternatives. This I did for you. I hope that it will cut down
thetime required to read the original. However, I have found in reading the
original that there are several difficulties. The ink is often faded and
does not show on the film or the handwriting is ambiguous/difficult to
read,pages are repeated or missed out........etc But it is still worth
looking,the CD information providing a short cut.
Good luck , I hope that you are able to make further progress. Eve
Date: Sat, 16 Jan 1999 13:11:59 -0500 From: "Joe j. crogan" <JoeCrogan@compuserve.com>Add to Address Book Subject: [CRYAN-L] Re Croghan research
I have information on Michael Croghan born circa 1780 in Carrogarve.
I anconfused on who it is I should send this information to. Please
respons to email@example.com Thanks
From: "Marie Piper" <firstname.lastname@example.org>Add to Address Book To: <email@example.com> Subject: Walsh Date: Sun, 17 Jan 1999 00:16:18 -0800
I'm looking for ancestors of Richard Walsh (stone carver). He and
Katherine had a son named William Henry Walsh b. December 24, 1820,
Ahgevard, County Waterford, Ireland. William Henry has siblings: Mary
and Kathleen. William Henry Walsh came to Massachusetts around 1840.
I found your information on RootsWeb. Thank you for your time!
From: Fatarm@aol.comAdd to Address Book Date: Wed, 20 Jan 1999 17:46:34 EST
Subject: [CRYAN-L] Re: Crogan Q and Temp leave of absence To: CRYAN-L@rootsweb.com
Joe, I think you can just post whatever you have/want to share through
thelist. Sometimes that's how inadvertently connections are discovered.
And foreveryone, a reminder to check out the local ireland pages -- a lot of
newmessages for our various spellings have been posted over the last month
or so.On a personal note, we're going to unplug and pack away our computer
thisweekend for the big move. So if you don't hear from me for a few
weeks, don'tpanic! You're in the far more capable hands of Michael for the
interim. Justremember to be nice -- he wields tremendous power now ... ;)
Just promise not to post TOO many interesting things to the list while
I'm off... have fun, Leslie (who never wants to see another garbage bag or
moving boxas long as she lives)
From: Fatarm@aol.comAdd to Address Book Date: Wed, 20 Jan 1999 17:49:45 EST
Subject: [CRYAN-L] Fwd: ROSCOMMON list message on Boyle churches To: CRYAN-L@rootsweb.com
I thought those of you with known Boyle roots might be interested in the
following, posted to the Co. Roscommon list:
#1 Known Boyle Catholic Churches ["John Sheerin"
I want to thank several members for their input to me on known Boyle
Here's what I have so far:
- Boyle Roman Catholic Parish around 1821,
- Boyle Catholic Church (possibly both the same church)
- St. Joseph's Catholic Church (there today)
also received following:
St. Michael's Catholic Church in Cootehall around 1852.
Can anyone add to or correct this list. In addition, how about other
Catholic Churches all around the greater Boyle area, to include the
of Sligo & Leitrim, etc.
I will also send out any new results,Thanks again,Jake Sheerin
Reply-To: "Family History" < > From: "Family History" < >Add to Address Book Date: Thu, 21 Jan 1999 14:37:19 -0000
Subject: [CRYAN-L] 18c Costume and CRYANskills and talents
The list is very quiet at the moment. What has happened to everyone?
I do not have particular information but thought that you may like this
extract from a learned tome -from A Hidden Church by Liam Swords which is about the Diocese of
Achonry1689-1818 this RC diocese includes the southern part of Co Sligoand
part ofCo Mayo 36 miles E to W and 24 N to S
Homewear Countrymen wore thickset breeches, usually made of frieze or
corduroy, which reached the knees, where it was buttoned at the sides
butmore often left open. Breeches had a central opening, covered by a
fall-downflap which was buttoned up to the waist The better off wore breeches of
animal skin, such as buckskin, doeskin,goatskin or lambskin. the shirt
orundergarment was made of linenand often"composed of shreds and
Women wore a bodice with elbow length sleeves and a wool or quilted
linenpetticoat or skirt which was wide flowing and reached down to the lower
legand often coloured red or green.........Gowns were closed on top
down tothe waist,with skirts that flared from the waist down, revealing the
petticoat. Women and girls wore long red mantles with hoods which they
seldom used and older women wore headscarves of white or coloured linen,
tied beneath the chin, called binnogues(beanog)(with an accent over the
o)In summer .........women....wore muslin bonnets instread of headscarves
andshed their heavy red mantles and exchanged their woollen petticoats for
white or stripped linen skirts. They wore an apron or petticoat, tied
roundtheir necks and falling over their shoulders and down their backs in the
form of a cape.............
Sunday wear in the 18th century, I will write about at a later date
Good luck to all , please do contribute any titbits like the above. I am
sure everone cancontribute to "how our ancestors lived"
You may be interested, in that it could help others to put together what
their grandparents and greatgrandparents could do, that in going
through mymothers things I find a really skillfully worked magazine box, done with
poker-work and polished so that the background is dark wood and the
patternis of intertwined flowers in paler shades. I also have an elaberate tray
done in the same style with the initials MC intertwined. I was told that
this was made by my grandfather for my grandmother Mary CRYAN. But who
couldhave taught this John CRYAN? It is most likely to have been his father-
bornin Co Sligo.
Do any of you have similar items or skills passed down? Could you write
about them? It could well be a means of connecting families. Or it could
even awaken hidden memories of something in the past.
The above Mary CRYAN nee HARVEY of Liverpool was a very skilled
lacemaker. Ihave numerous crocheted lace mats plus several beautiful linen
tableclothsedged and inset with deep lace which are now 100 years old or nearly.
Theyare truely family treasures. Please unearth your family skills.
Talents are another but unpredictable inheritance and can be related to
family lines. Music, Poetry, other writing,mathematics, philosophy,
sport/athletics are just a few that we can talk about.
My father A John CRYAN sang with what I now know to be a good Irish
tenorvoice, like John Mc Cormack before ww2.(I have just found a beautiful
bookof Irish Ballads which belonged to him - were there some queries about
Irishsongs?) and 2out of 3 of his children sing and are keen to sing ; the
thirdhas a voice but is not keen to sing.And some second cousins that I have
recently made contact with (now they are 85,87 and 90), play the piano
andsing still.What of all you list members? I see that the CRYANs of Boyle had a band
!Do share !Until again Eve
From: "Michael Tobin" <firstname.lastname@example.org>Add to Address Book Subject: Re: [CRYAN-L] Re: Crogan Q and Temp leave of absence Date: Thu, 21 Jan 1999 11:37:53 PST To:
Leslie,I'm not sure about the "far more capable hands" part, but I'll do my
best when you're away.Everyone,I've been having some PC problems of late and hence was kind of quitein here myself. These problems are solved now.
I likely won't be as active as Leslie but if anyone is experiencing any
problems at all with the list, please do contact me. I promise I won't
abuse the mighty powers that Leslie has granted me and will work for
Liberty, Equality, Fraternity ..... :-)
I'll also keep a watchful eye on other lists and forums for any
potential new recruits to our list, but I'd appreciate any help which
any of you can give in this regard as, while I am in a few lists/forums
here and there, I'm not in as many as Leslie.regardsMichael
From: "Michael Tobin" <email@example.com>Add to Address Book Date:
Thu, 21 Jan 1999 11:47:15 PST Subject: [CRYAN-L] Carrick-on-shannon Cryans
Eve's comments about the Cryans of Boyle having a band, reminded me of
the Cryans pub in Carrick-on-shannon, which is only 5 or 6 miles from
Boyle (the opposite side to the Sligo side).
They have a page on the Web - http://www.nci.ie/yp/fullpage/y4694.htm
So if you ever are in the area and are looking for a place to sleep,
eat and drink (or any one of these of course), you know where to go.
I was in the pub myself one or two times and its a nice place.regardsMichael
From: firstname.lastname@example.org (Lyle Staehnke)Add to Address Book Date: Thu, 21 Jan 1999 21:53:07 -0800 (PST) Subject: [CRYAN-L] RE:Cryan Info To: CRYAN-L@rootsweb.com
Michael Tobin mentions Cryans pup at Carrick-on Shannon,I was fortunate
enough to have been there,and to have met Francis and Padrik Cryan
(forgive my spelling) and had a wonderful visit and dinner......This
poem I am going to print out,first came to my attention in about
1948,when I was going through some of my grandfathers papers,pictures
etc..I`m sure this was writen before that ,but I`m not sure when...The
author is Michael Cryan........ Where hearts did yearn long and weary,
with cherished love from days of yore,........ For years had passed
without a meeting of these fond hearts that loved so true,.....That now
are clasped in each others arms, awaken passions fresh and new....... My
frame though rough, now did tremble, like a delicate rose in a chilly
blast...When I bent to kiss my wife and child, In passionate tears,
broke down at last..
. Deep and sorrow those joys were lost, when close I stood by fathers
side.... As I saw his eyes bedimed with tears,he said, "My son,I can not
rise"........ My heart at once did cease to throb, I motionless did
stare....At that weak and worn frame, that give up all its worldly
care,.. I grasped that hand so frail and weak, that once was young and
strong,.... That stroked the hair upon my brow, but alas those happy
days have gone...The hand that toiled for many years, through all this
world of care...And bore his burden like a man, while God his health did
spare.. But Oh! That bitter parting, It seemed to hard to bear....When
God he called his soul away, I called my brother near..... Brother John
stood by my side, with bitter cries he said.."Oh God, have mercy on his
soul, Oh Mike, poor Father`s dead,"..That ashen face lay still in death,
no more to cast a smile.. His own dear brother closed his eyes,at the
end of lifes long weary aisle... So now his soul may live in peace,
with God in Heaven,I Pray..For he done a Fathers duty and never shrank
From: "Michael Tobin" <email@example.com>Add to Address Book
Date: Tue, 26 Jan 1999 04:22:49 PST Subject: [CRYAN-L] Fwd: Pre-Post Roman UK (and some Ireland) To: CRYAN-L@rootsweb.com
Some of you might be interested in this site. It predates our family
trees I'm afraid, but contains interesting information.
>From GENIRE-Lfirstname.lastname@example.org Thu Jan 21 13:48:42 1999
>From: David Dale <DavidDale1@compuserve.com>
>Subject: Pre-Post Roman UK (and some Ireland)
>>Just thought some may be interested in the earliest mythical/historical
>origins of some native races in the British Isles pre/post Roman
period. My>web site takes a studied look at the earliest races and includes some
very>early Scots/Pictish rulers at
Date: Wed, 27 Jan 1999 18:43:09 -0500 From: "Elaine C. Matthews" email@example.com>Add to Address Book Subject: [CRYAN-L] one more time
I hope this works better.
Name Date of Birth Date
John March 1, 1901 ?
Bridget September 21, 1902 September 22,
1902 Patrick O'Keeffe and Bridget Slattery
Helena October 9, 1903 October 12,
1903 Thomas English and Margaret Mulaney
Denis October 13, 1904 October 16,
1904 William Foley and Margaret Reardon
Michael December 18, 1905 December 21,
1905 Martin Coffey and Catherine Manning
Catherine February 5, 1908 February 8,
1908 John O'Keeffe and Catherine Downes
Johanna May 20, 1909 May 22,
1909 John Creamer and Margaret Hogan
Margaret July 24, 1910 July 26,
1910 Patrick Mulcahey and Margaret Hogan
From: "Michael Tobin" <firstname.lastname@example.org>Add to Address Book Date: Sun, 31 Jan 1999 17:54:00 PST Subject: [CRYAN-L] new Cregan information To: CRYAN-L@rootsweb.com
I'm reposting some details which Elaine, a new subscriber to the list,
posted during the week and which I don't think made it through in full
to the list.
> Hello Everyone,
>> I am new to this and a little nervous about making this post, but here
> goes. I am looking for information on the Cregan Family of the
> Hospital-Kilteely-Garrynachera area in County Limerick. My
grandmother> was Bridget Cregan, and she came to the United States in 1926. I am
> interested in finding out all I can about her family. I wrote to the
> parish priest at Kilteely (Sts. Patrick and Brigid Church) and he was
> kind enough to send me baptism certificates for my grandmother and her
> siblings. So following is the information I have so far. I hope this
> shows up in a readable fashion on your screens. If it's not legible,
> please let me know, as I can attach this as a Word file.
> Children of Bridget Hogan and Michael Cregan
> Name Date of Birth Date Baptized Sponsors
> John 1 March 1901 ? ?
> Bridget 21 September 1902 22 September 1902
Patrick O'Keeffe & Bridget Slattery
> Helena 9 October 1903 12 October 1903
Thomas English & Margaret Mulaney
> Denis 13 October 1904 16 October 1904
William Foley & Margaret Reardon
> Michael 18 December 1905 21 December 1905
Martin Coffey & Catherine Manning
> Catherine 5 February 1908 8 February 1908
John O'Keeffe & Catherine Downes
> Johanna 20 May 1909 22 May 1909
John Creamer & Margaret Hogan
> Margaret 24 July 1910 26 July 1910
Patrick Mulcahey & Margaret Hogan
> Thanks for bearing with me.
> Elaine Matthews
> Charlotte, North Carolina
From: RuthK3834@aol.comAdd to Address Book Date: Sun, 31 Jan 1999 23:07:41 EST
Subject: [CRYAN-L] RE:Cregan To: CRYAN-L@rootsweb.com
My great grandparents Catherine Cregan nee Fitton and James Cregan were
fromCounty Limerick in Ireland although I have yet to find out exactly
where. Ihave someone in Ireland trying to find that out for me. They had four
children Patrick born in 1862 --Ellen (Nellie) born in 1870 also
Michael andCatherine. They came to the United States in 1892 and settled in
Brooklyn,New York. I do not know if there is a family connection because I do
not knowif James had siblings left in Ireland that would have married and had
children. I imagine however that there were as not too many Irish
families inthose days had only one child.
Reply-To: "Family History" < > From: "Family History" < >Add to Address Book Date: Mon, 1 Feb 1999 11:41:08 -0000
Subject: [CRYAN-L] Re CREGAN To: CRYAN-L@rootsweb.com
Although my resources are limitied, I have very quickly come up with the
following which should be of use to RuthK3834 as she wrote about James
CREGAN and Catherine nee FITTON
Birth Mary CREGAN - 31 March 1867- in Newcastle, Limerick, Ireland,
parents James CREGAN, Kate FITTON
FHL number 101154
Birth Michael CREGAN - 28 Sept 1869 - in Newcastle, Co Limerick,
parents James CREGAN, Catherine FITTON
FHL Number 101199
I have no obvious records for Bridget HOGAN and Michael CREGAN who were
having children at about 1900. This Micheal CREGAN must have been born
before 1880 (which wouls make him 20 in 1900) but it is probable that
he wasborn around 1870. I have 9 Michael CREGANs who were born between 1866
and1872 in Co Limerick.6 are from Newcastle !
1 Michael CREGAN born 28 Sept 1866 in Newcastle, Lim.Ire - Civil Reg
parents Denis CREGAN, Ellen HANLEY
2 Michael CREGAN born 8 Jan 1867 in Newcastle,Lim.Ire - Civ Reg
parents Con CREGAN, Biddy CASEY
3 Michael CREGAN born 8 Aug 1867 in Bruree, Lim, Ire - Civ Reg
parents John CREGAN,Honora HANRIHAN
4 Michael CREGAN born 6 Sept 1867 in Newcastle , Lim, Ire - Civ Reg
parents Con CREGAN,Mary CREGAN
5 Michael CREGAN born 26 Dec 1869 in Shanagolden, Lim, Ire - Civ Reg
parents Patt CREGAN, Bridgit SCANLON
6 Michael CREGAN born 28 Sept 1869 in Newcastle, Lim, Ire - Civ Reg
parents James CREGAN , Catherine FITTON
7 Michael CREGAN born 17 Dec 1869 in Newcastle, Lim, Ire - Civ Reg
parents Edmund CREGAN, Mary DALTON
8 Michael CREGAN born 20 Oct 1870 in Newcastle, Lim, Ire - Civ Reg
parents John CREGAN , Kate HARNETT
9 Michael CREGAN born 3 Oct 1871 in Shanagolden, Lim, Ire - Civ Reg
parents John CREGAN, Johanna FALLIHEE
There are some points that I would like to bring to your attention:-
1 I would have thought that Michael CREGAN would have been older than
Bridget HOGAN so that she would have been born nearer to 1880. I do not
haveany Limerick records after about 1872 but I do have Bridget HOGANs
beforethat date (this would make her at least 28 when she had her first child
)2 It would seem possible(though not necessarily so) that the parents of
either Michael or Bridget were John and Bridget - the names of their
firsttwo children. Or perhaps one of the 4 grandparents was John and another
wasBridget. - it could help with searching for their parents !
I hope that this is helpful. Eve