P.S. Have to run -- my live-in artist just drew a
mural of an octopuson oneof my living room walls. I guess, when you're three, when one's
musecallsyou must respond immediately.
That's okay -- I haven't put the paintcan awaysince he used a painted
broom handle to rub/draw a picture on my dining
roomwall. Happy Thanksgiving to the N. Americans!
From:
Fatarm@aol.comAdd to Address Book
Date: Wed, 25 Nov 1998
10:37:17 EST
Subject:
[CRYAN-L] Walsh site URL re-post
To: CRYAN-L@rootsweb.com
Sorry - half a
brain today. Isn't it a great thought to
think of medriving350 miles with only half my brain working??? I'm sure the spousal unitwillhave lots to say
about that --
Here's the URL for
the Walsh site again
http://pw2.netcom.com/~walshdw/
From: Voltene@aol.comAdd to Address Book Date:
Wed, 25 Nov 1998 19:49:50 EST
Subject:
[CRYAN-L] CRYANs in
Hi everyone, If anyone has any CRYANs buried in
between1880 to
the present , and would like me to look-up an
obituary, give
mename and date. I go to the
Doing my own
CRYANs, I have accumulated a large
number in my own file.
Karen Murphy
Date: Wed, 25 Nov 1998 20:35:54 -0500
(EST) From: simone samuel
<amethyst@inch.com>Add to Address Book Subject: Re: [CRYAN-L] CRYANs in
CRYAN-L@rootsweb.com
Dear Karen, Do Crehans count?
and some stayed
there while some moved down to
If you do look
them up, Crehan names thatmight be related to me are Augustine/Augustus;
Arthur; Catherine; Helen;James; Lawrence, all born around 1890-1910. I don't
know their father's
name, but he was
from Roscommon (we are pretty sure) and we can onlypresume was born in the
1860s or 1870s. He died in the 1910s, possiblyearly 1920s. This is so unhelpful
and I know Crehan obits might be quitenumerous in that part of the country. So
I won't be disappointed if youcan't wade through it all.
Happy Thanksgiving
to everybody who celebrates it, by the way. Theresa Mary,
still
sleep-deprived and writing badly from term paper night
==== CRYAN Mailing
List ====
Areas (Ire)
rsrching: Bandon and Glounthaune,
Wexford;
Limrk; Donegal;
Nenagh, Tipp; Ballybane, Galway; Boyle & Keash,
Date: Thu, 26 Nov 1998 03:35:01 -0800
(PST) From: Caoimhghin O Croidheain
<caoimhghin@yahoo.com>Add to Address Book Subject: [CRYAN-L] LDS To:
CRYAN-L@rootsweb.com
HIThe LDS list was
sent to me by Mary Creaser.
All thanks go to
her (and to Leslie for posting it)
Caoimhghin
From: RuthK3834@aol.comAdd to Address
Book Date: Sat, 28 Nov 1998 16:15:20 EST
Subject:
[CRYAN-L] Searching for my Cregans
To: CRYAN-L@rootsweb.com
I have recently
discovered that I had an Uncle Patrick who died in
October of1911 in
justreceived his
death certificate and found out that my great-grandparents
wereJames Cregan
and Catharine Fitten both born in
postthis as it is
new information hoping that someone can make a connection.
Thanks,Ruth
From: Fatarm@aol.comAdd to Address Book Date:
Mon, 30 Nov 1998 11:05:29 EST
Subject:
[CRYAN-L] Thanks - and next one is a large one To:
CRYAN-L@rootsweb.com
Thank you
Caoimhghin for the
look at a large
turkey in quite the same light again ...Ruth, give me a chance to look through
my stuff and see if I findanything foryou -- if you haven't heard from me
within the week, nag me. I know
I'vepromised to
look for others, but if you never heard from me, pleasefeel freeto give me a
nudge/reminder. I've got a lot of balls
in the air rightnow,and I'm not the least surprised if I drop some along the
way (nor am Iput outwith reminders).Kathleen, what ever came of the Isle of Man
Craines? In reading mymessageafter
posting it I realized I may have sounded more exclusive than Iintended.
Lastly, the next
message from me is a longer one, as it is a re-typingof theCreasers' Roman
Catholic Register findings in Boyle/Roscommon.
Thereareabout 80 entries, with my usual format of "-" in
fields where noinformationwas available.
They are almost exclusively "Cryan" and "Crine",
with a
fewother surname
entries. By the way, I require no
gratitude for typing-- I'drather it was given to Caoimhghin and the Creasers
for doing the realwork --finding the information and getting it passed around
to this group ofinterested people.I hope to get something else typed and up to
the list by the end of theweek(I think a lot of the remaining stuff is
shorter). -Leslie
CFrom: Fatarm@aol.comAdd to Address Book Date:
Mon, 30 Nov 1998 11:11:26 EST
Subject:
[CRYAN-L]
RC Registers of Boyle for Cryan/Crine/etc.,
1796-1833 To:
CRYAN-L@rootsweb.com
Entries for Cryan
and Variants, 1796-1833 (Mainly
Baptisms)
Extracted from Roman Catholic Registers for Boyle, Co.
Roscommon, By
Mary &David Creaser, June 1991
Birth Date
Baptised Marriage Date Death Date Surname First
Name
Townland Dad's
Surname Dad's First
Mom's Surname Mom's First Spouse's Surname Spouse's
First Witness
1's Surname Witness 2's Surname Notes
27/02/1793 02/03/1793 - Cryan
Maria -
Cryan
Michael Donillan
Bridget - -
- - -
12/12/1793 or
12/12/1794 14/12/1793 or
14/12/1794 - Cryan
Winifred -
Cryan
Martin Mullaney Maria
- - -
- -
28/12/1794 30/12/1794 - Cryan
Joannes (John) -
Cryan
Robert Lyth Matilda - -
- - -
26/01/1795 02/02/1795 - Cryan
Jacobus (James) - Cryan
Pat.(Patrick) Bruen Catherine -
- - -
-
-
23/12/1795 - Krine
Winifred - Krine
Michael Donelan Bridget -
-
- - -
-
19/05/1803 - Davy
Maria - Davy
Patrius
(Patrick) Crine
Bridget - -
- -
-
-
16/08/1803 - Theely
Michael - Theely
James Crine Catherine -
-
- - -
-
20/04/1804 - Dolan
John - Dolan
Pat. (Patrick) Crine Anna
(Ann) -
- - -
-
-
14/11/1804 - Thevill Maria -
Thevill Bart.
(Bartholomew) Crine
Catherine - -
- - -
-
17/12/1804 - McDermott Brigida (Bridget) -
McDermott Johs.
(John) Crine
Anna (Ann) - -
Crine, Martin Crine, Wina.
(Winifred)
- -
08/03/1805 - McDermott Patrick
-
McDermott Michael Crine Maria
- - -
- -
-
08/04/1805 - Crine
Bridget - Crine
Robert Little or
Lithe Matilda
- - -
- -
-
27/01/1806 - Cryan
Elizabeth -
Cryan Stephen -
-
- -
-
c. 03/1806 - Rock (?) Eugenius -
Rock
(?) Eugenius Crine
Catherine - -
- - -
-
18/04/1814 - Fitzpatrick Anna
-
Fitzpatrick Edmund
Cryan Margaret -
-
- - -
-
23/06/1814 - Cryan
Joannes (John) - Cryan
Darby Nash Joanna
-
-
- - -
-
20/11/1816 - Cryan
Anna - Cryan
Michael Fury Bridget -
-
- -
-
-
07/03/1817 - Cryan
Patrick - Cryan
Michael Hannon Margaret -
-
Hannon, Mary Cryan, Martin -
-
14/??/1817 - Craig
Patrick - Craig
John Cryan Maria
- -
Cryan, Margaret -
-
-
06/06/1817 - Keilty
Andrew - Keilty
James Cryan Catherine -
- Cryan, Mary -
-
-
30/??/1817 - Cryan
Joannes (John) - B- (?)
Thomas Cryan -
-
-
Cryan, Pat. (Patrick) Cryan, Anna (Ann) -
-
07/09/1817 - Armstrong George
-
Armstrong Robert
Cryan Catherine -
- -
- -
-
10/04/1811 - Cryan
Maria - Cryan
Michael Dru- (??) Margarita
- - -
- -
-
06/01/1818 - Cryan
Patrick - Cryan
Robert (John? see
Deed) Murrin
Johanna - -
- - -
-
18/02/1818 - Cryan
Matthew - Cryan
Matthew Corkran Fana.
(Fannia) - -
- - -
-
05/06/1818 - Doddy
Carolus - Doddy
Michael Cryan Winifred -
- - -
-
-
09/10/1818 - Cryan
Winifred - Cryan
Peter Sharkett Ma. (Mary?
Margaret?) -
- - -
-
-
08/02/1819 - Cryan
Ma. (Mary? Margaret?) - Cryan
Eugs. (?
Eugenius) Cooney (?) Cath. (Catherine) -
- - -
-
-
25/03/1819 - Cryan
Anna - Cryan
Paul Dyer Mary
- -
Sharkett,Anna -
-
-
01/04/1819 - Cryan
Mary - Cryan
Michael Feeney Brig.
(Bridget) -
-
Cryan, Thomas Cryan, Bridget -
-
28/07/1819 - Cryan
Maria - Cryan
Michael Hanan Marga.
(Margaret) -
- - -
-
-
29/04/1820 - Fitzpatrick Margaret -
Fitzpatrick Edwd.
(Edward) Cryan
Margaret - -
Cryan, Michael - -
-
11/06/1820 - Keilty
Marcus (Mark?) - Keilty
Jacobus
(James) Cryan Catherine -
- - -
-
-
03/07/1820 - Cryan
Dominicus (Dominick) -
Cryan Matthew Corkran Fannia -
- Cryan, Thomas -
-
-
30/08/1820 - Cryan
Johanes - Cryan
Paulus (Paul) Dyer Maria
-
- Cryan, Peter -
-
-
24/10/1820 - Cryan
Winifreda (Winifred) -
Cryan
Michael Fury Brigida
(Bridget) -
- Cryan, John -
-
-
27/11/1820 - Cryan
Robertus (Robert) - Cryan
Johs.
(John) Murren
Johanna - -
- - -
-
15/08/1821 - McDermott Maria
- McDermott Bernard Cryan Maria
- -
- - -
-
05/09/1821 - Cryan
Peter - Cryan
Michael Hannan Margaret -
- -
- -
-
27/11/1821 - Craig
Maria - Craig
Johs. (John) Cryan Maria
-
- - -
-
-
09/12/1821 - Cryan
Thomas - Cryan
Martin Higgins Catherine -
-
- - -
-
10/02/1822 - Fitzpatrick Patrick
- Fitzpatrick Edwd.
(Edward) Cryan
Margta. (Margaret or Margarita) -
- - -
-
-
10/02/1822 - Dunavon Brigida (Bridget) -
Dunavon Tim.
(Timothy) Cryan
Brigida (Bridget) - -
Cryan, Michael Cryan, Anna -
-
01/07/1822 -
Commins Domins. (Dominick)
- Commins Pats.
(Patrick) Cryan
Maria - -
- - -
-
02/08/1822 - Lyons
Johanes (John) - Lyons
Johs.
(John) Cryan
Margta.
(Margaret or
Margarita) - -
- - -
-
15/08/1822 - Cryan
Anna - Cryan
Michael Carrol Maria -
-
- -
-
-
09/10/1822 - Cryan
Brigida (Bridget -
Cryan
Michael Fury Brigida
(Bridget) -
- - -
-
-
25/10/1822 - Cryan
Francisca -
Cryan
Matthew Corkoran
Francisca -
- Cryan, Thomas -
-
-
02/01/1823 - Brennan Patrick -
Brennan Peter Cryan Mary
- -
-
- -
-
03/05/1823 - Cryan
Catherine - Cryan
Peter Mattimo Necta (?)
- -
- - -
-
06/05/1823 - Cryan
John - Cryan
John Carty Honaria (Honoria?)
- - -
- -
-
14/12/1823 - Noone
Matthew - Noone
James Crine Maria
- -
- -
-
-
07/01/1824 - Cryan
Martin - Cryan
Daniel McDonagh Mgt.
(Margaret) -
-
- - -
-
31/01/1824 - Cryne
James - Cryne
Matthew Gallagher Anna -
-
-
- -
-
14/03/1824 - McLoughlin Patrick
-
McLoughlin Michael Cryne Brig.
(Bridget) -
- - -
-
-
23/04/1824 - McDermott Thomas
- McDermott Michael Cryne
(?) Mary
- - -
- -
-
20/07/1824 - Cryne
James - Cryne
Michael Fury Brig. (Bridget)
- -
Cryne, John -
-
-
05/09/1824 - Reilly
Maria-Anna (Mary Anne) -
Reilly
James Cryan M.
Anne (Mary
Anne) - -
- - -
-
20/10/1824 -
Cryne John -
Cryne John Clark
Maria - -
-
- -
-
14/01/1827 - McDermott Bernard
-
McDermott Bernard Cryan Maria
- -
-
- twins
-
14/01/1827 - McDermott Michael
-
McDermott Bernard Cryan Maria
- -
-
- twins
-
15/07/1827 - Cryan
Maria - Cryan
Patrick Corkoran Brig.
(Bridget) - -
- - -
-
17/07/1827 - Cryan
Elna - Cryan
Robert McDermott Maria
- -
Cryan,
Peter -
-
-
19/07/1830 - Cryan
Maria - Cryan
Michael Carrol Maria -
-
- - -
-
10/09/1830 - Cryan
Maria - Cryan
Michael Beirne (?) Cath.
(Catherine) -
- - -
-
- 30/10/1830 - Crian
Mary - Crian
James Mullaney Mary
- -
Crian,Margaret -
-
-
18/02/1831 - Cryan
Catherine - Cryan
Peter Karroll
(Carroll?) Brig.(Bridget) -
- - -
-
-
02/03/1831 - Crine
Robert - Crine
Patk. (Patrick) Martin
(?) Maria
- - -
- -
-
17/03/1831 - Cryan Mary
- Cryan Michael Beirne (?) Catherine
- -
- - -
-
11/07/1832 - Crian
John - Crian
James Connor Brig. (Bridget)
- -
- - -
-
20/02/1833 - Crian
Pat - Crian
John Harrington Maria
- -
- -
-
-
24/06/1833 - Crian
John - Crian
John Drury Cath. (Catherine)
- -
Gerachty, Jacobus (James) Drury, Brig. (Bridget) -
-
11/08/1833 - Crian
Peter - Crian
Paul Diar (Dyer?) Maria
-
- -
- -
-
24/11/1833 - Dolan
Margaret - Dolan
Jacobus
(James) Breheny
Margaret
- -
- - -
c. 1803 -
- c. 30/01/1838 Cryan
Margarita Grangemore -
- - -
-
- -
- Death date approximated
based on burial date
c. 1769 -
- c. 12/03/1839 Cryan
Bridget Grallagh - -
- - -
-
- -
Death date approximated based on burial date
-
- 07/03/1811 -
Crine Margaret -
- - -
-
Fitzpatrick Edward
Crine, Martin Cane (?),
Cecilia -
-
- 22/09/1812 -
Whelan Elizabeth -
- - -
-
Drury
Patrick Cryan, Robert - -
From: ljstandak@webtv.net (Lyle Staehnke)Add
to Address Book Date: Tue, 1 Dec 1998 10:24:28 -0800 (PST)
Subject: [CRYAN-L] RE:Cryan To:
CRYAN-L@rootsweb.com
Thanks!!!!,Caoimhghin, Mary and David
Creaser andLeslie.....Such information really gets to the core of
ourresearch...I`m almost certain my Great grandfather (Danial Cryan) ismetioned
in the Boyle County record,along with son Martin and wifeMargaret McDonagh.
Thanks again--- Lyle
Date: Tue, 1 Dec 1998 20:52:31 -0500
(EST) From: simone samuel
<amethyst@inch.com>Add to Address Book Reply-To: simone samuel
<amethyst@inch.com> Subject: [CRYAN-L] New info on my Crehans To: CRYAN-L@rootsweb.com
Thanks to Karen
who offered to look up Lowell, MA Cryans et al., I have
learned plenty
about my grandfather's family. I know now for certain
thatmy
great-grandmother was Catherine Logan from Galway and my
g-grandfatherwas
Matthew Crehan, son of Augustine and Eliza, who we will still have
toassume were from
Roscommon. I've got dates, occupations, and all sorts
ofneat things, but
I just wanted to share that jubilation first. Tomorrow
I'll have time to
start rounding up FAQ-like stuff and if people are
interested I could
post all the new info about my Crehans.Interestingly,
the third son was
named after the father as someone suggested was
traditional Irish
practice, so maybe I could look up the rest of that
system and surmise
other possible relative names from those of the many
children.Theresa
Marywho never knew a single great-great-grandparent's name before
Reply-To: "Family History" <
> From: "Family History"
< >Add to Address Book Date: Wed, 2 Dec 1998 10:42:06 -0000
Subject: [CRYAN-L] Exciting news for some To: CRYAN-L@rootsweb.com
ESPECIALLY Anthony Cryan ALERT !!!
- a cautious EUREKA !!
Hi everyone,After
a rather distressing time I am here again. However , I do not
have agreat deal
of time to do much writing but I have followed the recentmailings with
enthousiasm. Thank you for it all.In the last few weeks my film of the Keashe
RC parish records arrived
and Ispent some
time looking at them.Sadly they are intermittant and seem in quite poor
condition. They
cover theperiod
roughly 1842 -47 and 52-55 and then there is a later transcriptof
1872-80 ish (these
later transcripts are written in minute script). Ifanyone has seen any other
periods of time for this parish I would bemostgrateful to know - my family
interest seems to just miss these dates.
Even15 Jan 1845 -
3 Nov 1845 is missing - I think thay my Daniel is likelyto bethere and my John,
just before the records started. Is that fair I askthefates ?One item of
interest from these records is that the baptisms include thetownland/hamlet of
the candidate (if one can read it, as the edges of
thepages are badly
aged). From this it seems that the congregation camefrom a
much wider area
than I imagined - it seems a huge parish from almostBallymote to almost Loch
Gara and there are people from Gurteen.One explanation for the missing records
(especially 1847-52) could be
connected with The
Famine and its aftermath. Priests died too, and werenotreplaced . Villages
could not support their own priest so amalgamatedtemporarily with another
parish. The population declined by about ahalf ormore in some areas. A few
missing pages in a book can imply the weight
ofhuman suffering
!!Anyway after tantalising Anthony - I
hope that he is pleased with
this. Andnot where
he expected. Something always comes up sooner or later - I
did notforget your
interests.
14 April 1846
baptism of JAMES CRYAN of Broher(now written Brogher or Brougher,
about2 miles NEish
of Gurteen and next hamlet to Carrowcrory)
Parents Dominick
CRYAN and Catherine CAWLY
Godparents Patrick
BREHENY and Sarah MORRISOE(I think this is the
nearest ,but
writing difficult to read)
Michael, I think
that this is the John that we have been talking about
20 Nov 1845 baptism of John CRYAN of Durnaska (or
variation)
Parents Patrick CRYAN and Mary HART
Godparents Michael
CRYAN and Catherine CAWLY (likely to be a different
onefrom Dominick's
wife as this is only 5 months before the above event
........... unless
! But there is no marriage record for
them in the
intervening months
but it could have taken place in another parish. I am
trying to cover
all possibilities here. The other thought is that a wife
could have been
known by her maiden name - is that too far fetched?
What doother think
? Have you met it before? Does it alter things?)
If this is yours
Michael then so is this
1 May 1844 baptism of James CRYAN of
Durnaskea/Derrinaska
Parents Patrick
CRYAN and Mary Hart
Godparents
Mathew/Michael(diff. to read probably the former) and Sarah
HART
Perhaps Patrick's
father is a James , eldest son being ofter called
afterhis paternal
grandfather,(if this James is the eldest son)
This is enough
excitement for you all for this week. We
do want to
continue.........Until
again and another exciting episodeRegards to allEve
I think also that
Michael may be right about the 20 families in Keashe,
itwould seem that
almost every entry is for a different family.
Reply-To: "Family History" <
> From: "Family History" <
>Add to Address Book Date: Wed, 2 Dec 1998 13:23:26 -0000
Subject: [CRYAN-L] Correction to earlier
posting To: CRYAN-L@rootsweb.com
Sorry Michael
especially, but sorry to all - left brain somewhere else
or itis
preoccupied with other things.I will rewrite the last extract I gave because I
omitted a CRYAN surname!!!!
1 May 1844 baptism James CRYAN of Durnaskea/ Derrinska
Parents Patrick
CRYAN and Mary HART
Godparents
Mathew/Michael (probably Mathew but difficult to read) and
Sarah HART same
place and same parents as the John CRYAN mentioned before.
Eve
From: Fatarm@aol.comAdd to Address Book Date:
Wed, 2 Dec 1998 10:58:23 EST
Subject:
[CRYAN-L] Irish Christmas traditions
To: CRYAN-L@rootsweb.com
The County Cork list
has been conversing for the last few weeks about
19th c.traditions
of celebrating Christmas in Ireland. I
thought the
following was
aparticularly interesting message to share with all of you, too. Do any
of youknow of any
Crean/MacCroghan/Creaghan type traditions (especially those
of youborn to the
name)? It'd be neat to find that an
unusual familytradition was
a common link
between cousins or branches of the family (we won't knowuntil
we try). -Leslie (I'm off to call my grandmom to find
out if she can remember her
mother's family's
traditions)
* * * * * * * * *
* * * * *
Hi-I always heard
that the candle in the window was to give a signal to apriestduring the time of
the penal laws. If the priest (who were in hiding)saw acandle, he knew it was
safe to enter and say Mass.
>From O Come Ye
Back to Ireland by Niall Williams and Christine Breen -
Santacomes to the
front door on Christmas Eve, leaves a pile of gifts andthen
knocks loudly.
"Of all the
traditions associated with Christmas Eve by far the most
prevalenttoday is
the lighting of the coinneal mor na Nollag, or the big
Christmascandle.
In each household the coinneal mor would be lit in darkness and
placedin the front
room window to burn there until morning. The origin of the
customis that the
candle is lit to show Mary and Joseph that, unlike the inn
atBethlehem, this
house would always welcome them. In the same way it is
customary to leave
all doors unlocked that evening and when going to
bed toleave some
food in three dishes upon the kitchen table as a welcome for
the"travelers
to Bethlehem" "
Amy
(Datull@aol.com)
From: Fatarm@aol.comAdd to Address Book Date:
Wed, 2 Dec 1998 11:00:41 EST
Subject:
[CRYAN-L] Wow! Misc and time period inquiry To:
CRYAN-L@rootsweb.com
Congrats to Lyle,
Theresa Mary (and Karen), ?and Anthony?
And welcome
back,Eve, we
missed you.
Theresa Mary,
please post the details ... the story is more than half
of theinterest for
me!Eve, I, too, am interested in the famine years and their repercussions
-- amjust
finishing "The Famine Ships" by Edward Laxton and am shocked by
what Iread. The hardship of life for the common man is
amazing. There is a
sectionin the book
about landlords from the Sligo area essentially removing the
"excess
pauper population" by hiring ships to "emigrate" the tenantry. I
suppose, at some
level, these could be considered some of the luckier
poorpeople of the
period, given the starvation rate. I've
searched what
few listsare in
the book for O'Creans and haven't found any (unless they are
anglicizedbeyond
the forms I instantly recognize) particularly mentioned. It'd be
interesting to
determine, for those of us whose families emigrated, when
precisely they did
so and for what reasons. It'd make an
interestingpart of
our family study
to better understand the transportations and emigration
patterns, I
think.Somewhat in that vein, I have a specific inquiry regarding time
periods. Somuch of what has been posted is 19th c.,
naturally. Caoimhghin and I
havewondered how
we can start making headway into the 18th century. Wendy
withher Craun
research knows her ancestor was transported in the 1790s, and
through the list
we've picked up a couple of other random 18th century
O'Creans/Creaghans/MacCroghans,
but does anyone know of more source
materialfor that
century? I'd love to start digging up
stuff to see if we can
linkanyone back to
those 17th c. Bishops et al. (Barbara,
this is your
lead-in..)
--Leslie
P.S. Caoimhghin,
received the loot -- how is it that you're always,like, 40steps ahead of
me?!? Am presently trying to get the
Croghan birth indexprintout typed up to post.
From: Fatarm@aol.comAdd to Address Book Date:
Wed, 2 Dec 1998 11:17:49 EST
Subject:
[CRYAN-L] Naming/birth order
To: CRYAN-L@rootsweb.com
Someone correct me
if I've gotten this wrong (through the list) because
I'mrelying on my
never-trustworthy memory:
First son/daughter
named after Paternal Grandfather/grandmother
Second
son/daughter named after Maternal Grandfather/grandmother
Third son/daughter
named after Father's Oldest Brother/Sister
Fourth
son/daughter named after Father/Mother
Maybe, Theresa
Mary, your ancestor's father didn't have an older
brother, soas the
third son he was named after the father instead?
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Date: Wed, 2 Dec 1998 13:10:02 -0500
(EST) From: simone samuel
<amethyst@inch.com>Add to Address Book Subject: Re: [CRYAN-L] Naming/birth order To:
CRYAN-L@rootsweb.com
Well, I had heard
that the father = 3rd son elsewhere, but I think this
kind of thing is
likely to get mixed up. But I haven't checked on what
therest of the
system was to see if the naming pattern fits in with what I
had heard. In the
case I've just learned of:
Second son =
paternal grandfather
Third son = father
First daughter =
maternal grandmother
Second daughter =
mother
There is no
connection that I see with the others, although I don't knowthe names of any
aunts or uncles. I suppose they might not havefollowed a pattern at all,
although the info I have leads me to believethere might be a child who died and
isn't mentioned, so maybe the seconddaughter really = the third daughter.That
sounds really confused. Well, after I post my new names and dates
andhave a nice
pizza lunch for mental energy, I'll get down to FAQ-hunting.
Date: Wed, 2 Dec 1998 13:40:02 -0500
(EST) From: simone samuel <amethyst@inch.com>Add
to Address Book Reply-To: simone
samuel <amethyst@inch.com>
Subject: [CRYAN-L] CREHAN
Family in Mass. (fwd) To: CRYAN-L@rootsweb.com
This is what Karen
sent to me, forwarding it seems the most concise way
toshare the facts.
Following is a summary of a some other things I'velearned.
Marriage, Boston, MA
1897, Vol. 471,
pg. 122
Matthew J. Crehan, age.. 24;
residence.. Boston; occ...
laborer;place
of birth... Ireland ;
parents,...
Augustine andEliza;
# of marriage .. 1
Catherine M. Logan, age..25;
residence.. Boston; occ...
cook;
place of birth...
Ireland ; parents... f. ?
and Mary;
# of marriage ... 1
Married by Rev. James Anthony Walsh,
clergyman
10 June 1897
Children
John b. abt (bef.
Feb 1898)
Augustine
Francis b. 20 Oct 1898, Boston, MA
Matthew James b. 2
Jan. 1900 Boston, MA
Mark Leo b. 24
Mar, 1901 Boston, MA
Mary Ellen b. 14 Jul. 1902 Boston,
MA
Lawrence H. b. 16 Oct 1903 Boston, MA
James P. b. abt 1905
Arthur T. b. abt 1906
Catherine A. b. abt 1908
Julia b. abt 1909
Margaret b. after
1920 ?
Helen b. after
1920 ?
-------------------------------------------------------------------------
First mention in
Lowell City directory for Matthew Crehan and family,
1907
According to the
1910 census, Lowell, MA,
(Roll 601, E.D. 877,
Sheet
18B)Catherine (Logan) Crehan had, up to
that time, 11 children, 8 alive
in1910.
Matthew J.
Crehan died abt 14 Nov 1918. ? on place of death.
No obituary
found.Buried at St. Patrick Cemetery,
Lowell, MA 15 Nov 1918.
-----------------------------------------------
Lowell Sun, Wednesday
27 May 1953
Obituary
Mrs. Catherine M. (Logan)
Crehan died Sunday at the home of
herdaughter, Mrs. Margaret Flanagan, 2248
Stewart street, Brooklyn,
NY.She was born
in County Galway, Ireland
and came to this country
when alittle
girl, having resided at 52 Fruit street, (Lowell), for many
yearsprior to
removing to New York about 30 years
ago. She is survived
by
fivedaughters, Mrs. Margaret
Flanagan and Mrs. Julia Addeo, both of
Brooklyn, NY; Mrs. Mary E. Whitlock of
Irvington, N.J., Mrs.
CatherineWard of
Newark, N.J., and Mrs. Helen Fleischman
of Glenridge, N.J.; a
son,John L.
Crehan, retired member of the New York
police department; 17
grandchildren and five
great grandchildren.
Funeral Thurs. 28 May, 1953
St. Patrick's
Cemetery, Lowell, MA
____
She also sent me
info from the 1922 Lowell city directory about some
members of the
family. Augustine was listed as Augustus - he was called
Gus, and my mother
and aunts weren't sure what it really was either, so
perhaps whoever
gave the directory the info had forgotten as well. (My
grandmother
started out as Antoinette or something like that in Oct.
1909,but her
mother kind of forgot and she lived as Theresa b. Dec. 1910 for
almost seventy
years. But that's not even Irish family history.) So, in
1922, August* was
occupied at a "car shop," his sister Mary was a
"winder"at
Shaw Stocking Company, his brother John was listed as "removed to
Brooklyn" and
his mother/my g-grandmother Catherine was listed as the
widow of Matthew.
52 Fruit Street was the family residence at the time.
Most recently, the
tireless Karen has sent me the obituary of James
Patrick Crehan,
the seventh child listed above, from the Lowell Courier
Citizen. He died
August 9, 1931 after a "brief illness" in New York
(presumably
Brooklyn as those relatives who were living here in Brooklyn
are just listed as
in New York.) It says that he was a resident of
SacredHeart Parish
in Lowell, and lets us know that only one of his surviving
five sisters was
yet married. It seems that every surviving child in
the family except
for Augustine came down to NY around
1922 or 1923.
Only twelve
children are listed above, and a couple of the
"?"
birthdates are well after my g-grandfather died (OK, the SSDI shows
that my
great-uncle John was born shortly before the wedding, but I am
pretty sure that
this part is not accurate.) It may just be another
familylegend, but
we always thought there were 13 children, so perhaps one
diedvery young and
was never mentioned in the directory or otherwise.
I'm actually
thinking that maybe my mother and/or sister and I can take
atrip up to
Massachusetts sometime to see the gravesites and whatever is
at52 Fruit Street
now. My sister likes Boston and Lowell is pretty close
soshe might be
into it. Since Catherine Logan Crehan came to the US as a
"little
girl," someone must have been with her, so maybe there would be
relatives buried
nearby, records at the church if it still stands, etc.
Sorry this is
quite disorganized! Off to lunch...Theresa Mary
Wed, 2 Dec 1998
11:07:07 -0800 (PST) From: Caoimhghin O Croidheain
<caoimhghin@yahoo.com>Add to Address Book Subject: [CRYAN-L] re:Naming To:
CRYAN-L@rootsweb.com
hi Its important to remember that the first
daughter was often named
after Mary - as in
Jesus's Mother, or a variant eg. Mary Elizabeth -with the naming pattern
continuing as before. Have others found this in their family trees? I would be
interested toknow just how common this was......
Leslie
Glad you got the
stuff I sent! and thanks for the postings.
When my printed
emails reach 200 pages I am going to do a rough index
and call it Global
Cryan and Variants Research, VOLUME 1 !!!
Caoimhghin
From:
Iliktotick@aol.comAdd to Address Book
Date: Wed, 2 Dec
1998 19:00:41 EST
Subject: [CRYAN-L]
Holiday Tradition
To:
CRYAN-L@rootsweb.com
Hi Cryan Cousins:
My mother (who was
a Cregan) would light a "blessed" candle onChristmas Eveto light the
way for the Christ Child. On New Years
Eve she wouldinsist adark-haired man cross the threshold to bring "good
luck to our home"throughout the new year.
My mom was raised with her grandmother who was born and raised
inIreland. Mymother would always have a
superstition for just about everything.
By the way, my
name is Mary Joanne and my cousin's name is Mary Eileen. Yes,Irish (especially
Catholic Irish) mothers often gave their daughtersthe firstname of
"Mary" out of respect for the Mother of God.Happy Holidays,Joanne
Tyler-Tucker
From:
Fatarm@aol.comAdd to Address Book Date: Thu, 3 Dec 1998 11:04:49 EST Subject:
[CRYAN-L] 17-18th c. Creans of County Mayo To: CRYAN-L@rootsweb.com
[sent by Barbara
for our database - she's on our list so allenthusiasticreplies can go to the
list]
Unfortunately, I only have my Creans up to
the 1700's---then theymarryinto the Kirrane's who marry into the Brannicks back
in C. Mayo. Itwas agreat uncle Laurence
Brannick who researched our family tree back along timeago and put in writing
this information.
My ggggggrandfather Arthur Crean (Prospect
House) married a Mary
MacDonnell(Clooneen
or Clonneen Castle) Their son was a
Francis Crean who maried
a JoanBlake of
Coolcon Castle. Francis and Joan had my
ggggrandmamaCatherine Crean
who married a
William Kirrane--a name extremely common and confined to
theBalindine area
of Co. Mayo. There my Crean name
disappears into the
morepowerful
husbands name. I think Catherine and
William would have lived
aboutthe early
1700's. Would be nice to connect with
some later day Creans
as I amsure my
information would be quite welcome to others but unfortunately
I havefound in all
my Irish ancestors a blank before the early and mid 1800's
unlesssome
scholarly great uncle happened to write it down.
Other names in my line (besides Kirrane
and Brannick) are Glynn
(McGlynn),Ward,
Cummins, O'Connor, O'Moren, O'Dowd, O'Kelly, Bell, O'Daly,
Gleeson,O'Kean,
Burke and Coleman. The great uncle was
big on the "O's"
Best,Barbara
Clark
From:
Fatarm@aol.comAdd to Address Book
Date: Thu, 3 Dec
1998 11:15:27 EST
Subject: [CRYAN-L]
Marys and Josephs
To:
CRYAN-L@rootsweb.com
I, too, have seen
the "Mary phenomenon". Have
the rest of you alsoobservedthe equivalent "Joseph phenomenon"? I'm not certain it's an Irishthang, butthe
first born sons in some of my RC family have Joseph as a first
ormiddlename.Also, Theresa Mary, don't be so certain that Catherine came over
with
an adultas a young
girl. Kids were not unfrequently
travelling alone, or with
anuncle/family
friend, to join parents or older siblings already here. Keep theoption open, is
my suggestion, because I've looked at a lot of ships'listswhere kids were
travelling alone -- even a child of 10 yearsshepherding ayounger sibling (2-3
years old). I've certainly gotten the
impression
thatalthough life
was harder, people in general were kinder ...-Leslie
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From: Fatarm@aol.comAdd to Address Book Date:
Thu, 3 Dec 1998 21:03:56 EST
Subject:
[CRYAN-L] Croghan (and variations) Birth Index from registers
To: CRYAN-L@rootsweb.com
>From Mary
Creaser's research again, folks, via Caoimhghin. I'm notcertainwhat registers are featured --
Caoimhghin, can you shed any light?
Atanyrate, please let us all know if you find something interesting in
thebelow,everyone!
* * * * * * * * *
* * * *
Birth Date
Surname First Name
Townland Dad's Surname Dad's First Mom's
Surname Mom's First
Notes Source Page No. Source
Line No. Source
21/10/1814 Cryan
Mary - Cryan
Eugene Higgins Mary Register 1, page
66 1
1 Cryan/Crohan Birth Index
25/09/1814 Cryan
Brigid - Cryan
Eugene McDermot
(McDermott?) Deborah Register 1, page 66 1
2 Cryan/Crohan Birth Index
30/09/1823 Crens
Mary - Crens
Eugene McDermott
(McDermot?) Deborah Register1, page 155 1
3 Cryan/Crohan Birth Index
27/10/1828 Crian
Anne - Crian
Eugene McDermott Elizabeth Register 1,
page204 1
4 Cryan/Crohan Birth Index
12/04/1839 Cryan
Catherine -
Cryan James Flanagan Anne
Register 2,
page127 1
5 Cryan/Crohan Birth Index
18/09/1841 Cryan
Thomas - Cryan
James Flanagan Anne
Register 2, page
174 1
6 Cryan/Crohan Birth Index
07/07/1844 Cryan
Anne - Cryan
James Flanagan Anne
Register 2, page
230 1
7 Cryan/Crohan Birth Index
04/11/1815
(?) Cryan James
Knockroe Cryan James
Lowe Mary Register 1,
page68 1
8 Cryan/Crohan Birth Index
01/02/1831 Crien
John - Crien
John Byrne Brigid
Register 1, page
212 1
9 Cryan/Crohan Birth Index
29/06/1867 Cryan
Margaret Cararea Cryan John
Canning Catherine Register
3,page 18 1 10
Cryan/Crohan Birth Index
08/06/1851 Cryan
Brigid - Cryan
John Carny Honor
Register
MF 1
11 Cryan/Crohan Birth Index
07/06/1853 Cryan
Peter - Cryan
John Carny Honor
Register
MF 1
12 Cryan/Crohan Birth Index
10/07/1854 Cryan
Mary - Cryan
John Carney (Carny?) Honor Register
MF 1
13 Cryan/Crohan Birth Index
04/09/1855 Cryan
Catherine - Cryan
John Carney (Carny?) Honor Register
MF 1
14 Cryan/Crohan Birth Index
14/12/1856 Cryan
Patrick - Cryan
John Carney (Carny?) Honor Register
MF 1
15 Cryan/Crohan Birth Index
28/04/1858 Cryan
Winifred - Cryan
John Carny Honor
Register
MF 1
16 Cryan/Crohan Birth Index
08/01/1860 Cryan
John - Cryan
John Carny Honor
Register
MF 1
17 Cryan/CrohanBirth Index
16/08/1863 Cryan
Sarah - Cryan
John Carny Honor
Register
MF 1
18 Cryan/Crohan Birth Index
09/07/1865 Cryan
Honor Carrana(Caranagh?) Cryan
John Carny Honor
Register 3,
page 4 1
19 Cryan/Crohan Birth Index
02/09/1871 Cryan
Luke Caranagh Cryan
John Carny Honor
Register 3, page
44 1
20 Cryan/Crohan Birth Index
09/08/1874 Cryan
Michael Carrowreagh Cryan John
Carney
(Carny?) Honor
Register3, page 61 1 21
Cryan/Crohan Birth Index
17/11/1861 Cryane
Martin - Cryane
John Carny Mary
Register
MF 1
22 Cryan/Crohan Birth Index
17/06/1860 Cryan
Brigid - Cryan
John Corcoran Mary
Register
MF 1
23 Cryan/Crohan Birth Index
10/07/1863 Cryan
Catherine - Cryan
John Corcoran Mary
Register
MF 1
24 Cryan/Crohan Birth Index
09/10/1859 Cryan
Mary Jane - Cryan
John Dolan Margaret Register
MF 1
25 Cryan/Crohan Birth Index
18/11/1861 Cryane
John - Cryane
John Dolan Margaret Register
MF 1
26 Cryan/Crohan Birth Index
13/02/1864 Cryan
Joseph - Cryan
John Dolan Margaret Register
MF 1
27 Cryan/Crohan Birth Index
18/05/1866 Cryan
James Croghan Cryan John
Dolan Margaret Register 3,
page11 1 28
Cryan/Crohan Birth Index
08/08/1868 Cryan
Catherine Croghan Cryan John
Dolan Margaret Register
3, page25 1
29 Cryan/Crohan Birth Index
27/12/1870 Cryan
Stephen Croghan Cryan John Dolan
Margaret Register 3,
page99 1
30 Cryan/Crohan Birth Index
15/06/1876 Cryan
John Croghan Cryan John
Dolan Margaret Register 3, page
71 1
31 Cryan/Crohan Birth Index
10/08/1882 Cryan
Brigid Croghan Cryan John
Dolan Margaret Register 3,
page99 1
32 Cryan/Crohan Birth Index
17/03/1874 Cryan
Margaret Anne Croghan Cryan John
Donlon
(Dolan?) Margaret Register 3, page 59 1
33 Cryan/Crohan Birth Index
27/02/1831 Crien
Patrick - Crien
John McDrury Catherine Register 1,
page219 1
34 Cryan/Crohan Birth Index
19/03/1822 Crine
John - Crine
John Fairly Catherine Register 1, page
197 1
35 Cryan/Crohan Birth Index
02/01/1827 Crine
Thomas - Crine
John Fairly Catherine Register 1, page
181 1
36 Cryan/Crohan Birth Index
14/02/1830 Crine
Michael - Crine
John Fairly
Catherine Register 1,
page207 1
37 Cryan/Crohan Birth Index
21/02/1836 Croghan Brigid -
Croghan James McDermott Margaret Register
2,page 62 2 1
Cryan/Crohan Birth Index
09/12/1838 Croughan Eleanor
- Croughan James
McDermott Margaret Register 2,
page 119 2
2 Cryan/Crohan Birth Index
24/10/1830 Croghan Catherine -
Croghan James Travers Catherine
(Winifred?) Register 1, page 212 2
3 Cryan/Crohan Birth Index
22/07/1832 Croghan Winifred -
Croghan James Travers Winifred Register
1,page 222 2
4 Cryan/Crohan Birth Index
12/03/1835 Croghan John -
Croghan James Travers
Winifred Register 2,
page40 2
5 Cryan/Crohan Birth Index
30/01/1837 Croghan Michael -
Croghan James Travers Winifred Register
2, page82 2
6 Cryan/Crohan Birth Index
24/04/1839 Croghan James -
Croghan James Travers Winifred Register 2,
page127 2
7 Cryan/Crohan Birth Index
26/01/1841 Croghan John -
Croghan James Travers Winifred Register 2,
page160 2
8 Cryan/Crohan Birth Index
02/06/1843 Croughan (Croghan?) Thomas
- Croughan(Croghan?) James Travers Winifred Register 2, page 207 2
9 Cryan/Crohan BirthIndex
01/09/1845 Croghan James -
Croghan James Travers
Winifred Register 2,
page252 2
10 Cryan/Crohan Birth Index
18/09/1849 Croghan Patrick -
Croghan James Travers Winifred Register
2, page292 2
11 Cryan/Crohan Birth Index
21/01/1844 Croghan John -
Croghan Patrick Canry
Brigid Register 2,
page220 2
12 Cryan/Crohan Birth Index
28/06/1836 Croghan Mary -
Croghan Patrick Fitzwilliam
Brigid Register
2,page 70 2 13
Cryan/Crohan Birth Index
01/07/1899 Cryan
John Croghan Cryan Andrew
McCormak Teresa Register 3,
page153 2
21 Cryan/Crohan Birth Index
15/02/1834 Crien
Margaret - Crien
Bartholomew(Bernard?) Hanly
Margaret Register 2, page 15 2
22 Cryan/Crohan Birth Index
04/09/1825 Crine
James - Crine
Bernard Hanly Margaret Register 1, page
164 2
23 Cryan/Crohan Birth Index
10/02/1828 Creins
Patrick - Creins
Bernard Hanly Margaret Register 1,
page193 2
24 Cryan/Crohan Birth Index
18/09/1835 Cryan
Sarah - Cryan
Bernard Hanly Margaret Register 2, page
75 2
25 Cryan/Crohan Birth Index
28/04/1839 Cryan
Anne - Cryan
Bernard Hanly Margaret Register 2, page
127 2
26 Cryan/Crohan Birth Index
13/07/1823 Crine
Mary - Crine
Bernard Hanly Mary Register 1, page
152 2
27 Cryan/Crohan Birth Index
06/03/1817 Cryan
Patrick Fairly Cryan John
Hanly Catherine Register 1,
page80 3
1 Cryan/Crohan Birth Index
25/03/1873 Cryan
Mary Carrowreagh Cryan
Luke McOwen Sarah
Register 3,
page54 3
2 Cryan/Crohan Birth Index
12/09/1876 Cryan
Patrick Carrowreagh Cryan Luke
McOwen Sarah Register
3, page69 3
3 Cryan/Crohan Birth Index
15/09/1818 Cryan
Dominic - Cryan
Malachy Healy Brigid Register 1, page
92 3
4 Cryan/Crohan Birth Index
25/01/1831 Crian
John - Crian
Michael Higgins Eleanor Register 1, page
212 3
5 Cryan/Crohan Birth Index
13/07/1834 Cryan
Paul - Cryan
Michael Higgins Eleanor Register 2, page
26 3
6 Cryan/Crohan Birth Index
12/09/1836 Cryan
Eleanor - Cryan
Michael Higgins Eleanor Register 2,
page75 3
7 Cryan/Crohan Birth Index
05/11/1837 Crine
Mary - Crine
Michael Higgins Eleanor Register 2, page
96 3
8 Cryan/Crohan Birth Index
17/12/1834 Crien
Michael - Crien
- Murry Mary
Register 2, page
35 3
9 Cryan/Crohan Birth Index
06/11/1840 Cryan
Patrick - Cryan
Patrick O'Beirne
Brigid Register 2,
page156 3
10 Cryan/Crohan Birth Index
08/01/1832 Crian
Daniel - Crian
Patrick Butler Brigid Register 1, page
220 3
11 Cryan/Crohan Birth Index
09/12/1886 Cryan
Mary Knockroe Cryan
Patrick Connaughton Honor Register
3,page 116 3
12 Cryan/Crohan Birth Index
20/05/1888 Cryan
Honor Knockroe Cryan
Patrick Connaughton Honor Register 3,
page 121 3
13 Cryan/Crohan Birth Index
26/09/1889 Cryan
Patrick Knockroe Cryan Patrick Connaughton Honor
Register 3,
page 124 3
14 Cryan/Crohan Birth Index
16/10/1892 Cryan
Catherine Knockroe Cryan
Patrick Connaughton Honor Register
3, page 133 3
15 Cryan/Crohan Birth Index
05/12/1844 Cryan
Thomas - Cryan
Patrick Cox Honor Register 2, page
237 3
16 Cryan/Crohan Birth Index
24/03/1846 Cryan
Mary - Cryan
Patrick Cox Honor Register 2, page
263 3
17 Cryan/Crohan Birth Index
13/09/1850 Cryan
Honor - Cryan
Patrick Cox Honor Register
MF 3
18 Cryan/Crohan Birth Index
03/10/1852 Cryan
John - Cryan
Patrick Cox Honor Register
MF 3
19 Cryan/Crohan Birth Index
10/04/1822 Crine
Mary - Crine
Patrick Croghan Sarah Register
1, page
138 3
20 Cryan/Crohan Birth Index
26/10/1823 Crine
Patrick - Crine
Patrick Croghan Sarah Register
1,
page157 3
21 Cryan/Crohan Birth Index
24/11/1826 Crine
Thomas - Crine
Patrick Croughan(Croghan?)
Sarah Register
1, page 179 3
22 Cryan/Crohan Birth Index
12/08/1848 Cryan
Patrick - Cryan
Patrick Cryan Honor Register 2, page
290 3
23 Cryan/Crohan Birth Index
03/10/1833 Crien
Fergal - Crien
Patrick Doud (Dowd?) Mary Register 2,
page6 3
24 Cryan/Crohan Birth Index
26/05/1835 Crien
Catherine - Crien
Patrick Doud (Dowd?) Mary Register
2,page 45 3 25
Cryan/Crohan Birth Index
05/01/1837 Crine
Luke -
Crine Patrick Dowd Mary
Register 2, page
81 3
26 Cryan/Crohan Birth Index
17/05/1839 Cryan
Sarah - Cryan
Patrick Doud (Dowd?) Mary Register 2,
page134 3
27 Cryan/Crohan Birth Index
08/12/1830 Criane
Brigid - Criane
Patrick Doud (Dowd?) -
(Mary?) Register1,
page 212 3 28
Cryan/Crohan Birth Index
15/12/1844 Cryan
Thomas - Cryan
Patrick Farrell Catherine
Register 2,
page237 3
29 Cryan/Crohan Birth Index
22/06/1846 Cryan
Mary - Cryan
Patrick Farrell Catherine
Register 2,
page269 3
30 Cryan/Crohan Birth Index
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From: Fatarm@aol.comAdd to Address Book Date:
Fri, 4 Dec 1998 10:00:24 EST Subject:
[CRYAN-L] More on the Irish Xmas plus
websites To: CRYAN-L@rootsweb.com
This is a repost
from the County Cork mailing list (note Tom O'Crohan-- whereare the Blasket
Islands??):
http://home.fiac.net/marshaw/xmas.htm
http://www.ncf.carleton.ca/~bj333/HomePage.season.html#christmas
http://members.tripod.com/~pg4anna/xmas.htm
this one is my
favorite!
Irish Christmas
Traditions
By Patrick J.
O'Hara
Christmas in
Ireland was probably the most important of the Christianfestivals. Both spiritually
and outwardly, the season was considered atimeof rebirth and
regeneration.Houses were cleaned from top to bottom, linens washed, and floors
andwallswere attacked with vigor, often by using sand. Pots and pans
werescoureduntil they shined. Barnyards were cleaned, and buildings were
oftengiven
their yearly
whitewashing.Children were encouraged in their prayers, and often they would
tally
howmany extra Our
Fathers and Hail Marys were said during the season.Peoplethat had not attended
church in a while would be seen at services.(Thesepeople were often known as
"the hardy annuals", because of their yearlyattendance.)Children also
would collect ivy, holly, or bay leaves to use as
decorationsfor the
season. Loose leaves were strung together, and often pieces ofcolored paper
were sewn into the patterns of the leaves. In the latenineteenth century,
travellers would sell pre-cut paper decorations,printedwith religious sayings
on them.
On Christmas Eve,
candles would be placed in the windows of dwellings,inhonor of the Holy Family.
This custom was to show Mary and Joseph thattherewould be room in these
households, even though they could not findlodgingin Bethlehem. According to
Kevin Danaher, in his book, "The Year in
Ireland", in
west Limerick, "... It was the custom to leave the doorsopenand a candle
burning in every window, and in addition to leave a tablesetfor three people
'to have a proper welcome before the travellers toBethlehem.' A Dish of water
was left on the window ledge to be blessedbythe "travellers", and
then kept for curative purposes." In other areas,onelarge candle, or the
coinneal mo'r na Nollag, was kept lit throughoutthenight, starting at the
Angelus at 6 PM.
One belief was
that the donkeys and the cows at midnight would kneel inadoration of Jesus, and
for a short period of time have human speech.However, it was considered ill
form to spy on the animals, hoping toheartheir conversations, or speak to
them.Before Christmas, trips to the market meant the purchase of
meat,whiskey,sugar, spices, tea and other condiments. These were often traded
for the
poultry, butter
and eggs that they brought with them. A vast period ofswapping would take
place, with farming families bringing bacon,chickens,and eggs to their
relatives in towns. The families in the towns wouldthenswap "town
goods", soaps, candies, and wines with their countryrelatives.
Some families
would receive their portions of whiskey. Others,especially inthe West of
Ireland, would get a quart of poiti'n from some industriousmembers of the
family, even though the manufacture of it was banned.Most people would attend
early Mass. Often, family members would takelanterns with them to light the way
on the dark roads. The period beforeMass was a time of fasting, and there were
a number of activities aheadforthe day.
On Christmas Day
itself, dinner took center stage. It was the biggestdinnerof the year, and
wives went to elaborate measures to ensure that itwould bethe best feast
possible. Beef was the preferred meat for Christmas, andinmany parts of Ireland
the beef of Christmas was spiced. The supply ofgamefrom hunting, the beef
purchased in the town, all were presented to thefamily. While the women of the
households were preparing the feast, themenand boys would be playing.After the
Mass, hurling was the favorite activity of the males.According toTom s
O'Crohan, Christmas on the Blasket Islands were like this: "OnChristmas
Day, there was a match in which the whole village wasengaged. Twowere
appointed, one for each side, as leaders. Each of those called inturnuntil all
along the strand were divided. Hurleys and a ball we had. Thematch was played
on the White Strand without stocking or shoe, but outtothe neck whenever the
ball went into the sea. For the twelve days ofChristmas no man on the Island
could drive a cow to the hill from painsinhis back and bones." In
Limerick, a special ball with loose buck shotwasused, so that the ball made a
louder noise. In Donegal, the matcheswould
take place after
Mass, at the churchyard gate, and would continue untiloneteam managed to get
the ball all the way to their township.After the dinner was served, songs were
sung, stories were told, and
lifewas reflected
upon. Children would tell tell party pieces, and familieswould bask in the
holiday atmosphere. Thus would end another IrishChristmas.
Nollaig Shona
Duit. Happy Christmas.
\\ali//
(oo)
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http://www.geocities.com/Heartland/Plains/1992
Higgins & Maroney List owner
Date: Sat, 5 Dec 1998 22:45:01 -0500
(EST) From: simone samuel
<amethyst@inch.com>Add to Address Book Reply-To: simone samuel
<amethyst@inch.com> Subject: [CRYAN-L] Arthur - common first
name? To: CRYAN-L@rootsweb.com
My grandfather,
born of Irish immigrants in 1906 was Arthur Crehan. I've
corresponded with
a couple of people who share an American Arthur
Crehan afew
decades older (will have to wade thru messages, as I've started to
anyway for faq
reasons, for details.) Recently there was also a post
mentioning an
Arthur Crean around the 1700s. I've heard talk of my
Crehansbeing
without their 'h' back in Ireland, but who knows. So anyway, since
we've brought up
first names with the Mary thread, I'm wondering if
anyoneknows if
Arthur was a name of significant popularity or unpopularity at
any time in
Ireland? My first-name books all give inconclusive "Celtic"
and
"Gaelic" sources, and I've associated it more with Scotland. You
rarely meet an
Arthur among the many sons and grandsons of Irish
immigrants around
here. So I just hoped it was more likely that these
listmembers and I
would find a closeish connection because of the shared
firstname. Anybody
have any thoughts?
Theresa Mary
From: "Anthony & Jill Cryan"
<cryanaj@ozemail.com.au>Add to Address Book Organization:
The Adjutant's Desk Date: Sun, 6 Dec 1998 22:47:53
+1100 Reply-to:cryanaj@ozemail.com.au Subject: [CRYAN-L] Information overload and
Thank You !!!!
To: CRYAN-L@rootsweb.com
Hello All...
A big thanks to
Eve and Leslie and Patrick (PC:did you get the
reply I sent 15th
November ??)Your collective information lately has filled in a considerable gap
in
what I had - in
particular that elusive fellow Domnic/ Dominic.I'm going through info overload
coallating it all....< g >The thing is though I probably now have more
paths to follow - the Game is afoot and I thank you all.Question: Does anyone
have any favourite family tree S/W applications they would recomend ? I've
tried a couple but found them not the best in certain ways.
TCAnthony &
Jill Cryan cryanaj@ozemail.com.au
Reply-To: "Family History" <
> From: "Family History" <
>Add to Address Book Date: Sun, 6 Dec 1998 19:40:50 -0000
Subject: [CRYAN-L] Re Arthur To: CRYAN-L@rootsweb.com
Hi all, One thing
it is hard to remember for all Irish descendents, is
thatuntil 1922,
Ireland was part of Great Britain. QueenVictoria was on the
throne from 1838
until 1902 when Edward VII became king. Arthur was a
namein fashion
with royalty at this time and thus became popular with
ordinarypeople. My
father too was given the name Arthur in 1903 I think for this
reason ,with John
his second name being his paternal grandfather's
name. Itwas rare
to have more than one name, unless MaryAnne or MaryEllen
recordedin the
national registers until after 1880ish but very often a second
namewas given at
baptism a little laterThe rise and fall of the popularity of particular names
can often be
linkedto real
heros in battles or exploits or heros of fiction or honouring
royalty or saints
etc. I can not remember when the Arthurian legends
wererevived but I
know there was a popular Gothic Revival period in the mid
19century
reflected in architecture, paintings and literature.Just some extra thought for
you to ponder.
Eve
Date: Sun, 6 Dec 1998 17:13:37 -0500
(EST) From: simone samuel
<amethyst@inch.com>Add to Address Book Subject: Re: [CRYAN-L] Re Arthur To:
CRYAN-L@rootsweb.com
Thanks, Eve. One
of my name books actually mentioned Arthur's popularityin England in the 19th
century, but I hadn't been sure it would affecttheCatholic Irish. Actually,
most of my grandfather's siblings had middlenames, as did their parents (well,
I have their initials anyway) who
wereborn in
Ireland in the 1870s.
Theresa Mary
From: "Roger Cryan and Regina
Pana-Cryan" <cryan@avana.net>Add to Address Book
Subject:
Re: [CRYAN-L] Information overload and Thank You !!!! Date:
Sun, 6 Dec 1998 21:28:00 -0500 To:
CRYAN-L@rootsweb.com
To Jill and
Anthony (and anyone else),
I was wondering
this very day about shareware. Could you
guys tell uswhat you tried, where you found it (and how clean the site) and
what youdidn't like about it?
Also, thanks to Karen I have the first names of the parents of an
Irishimmigrant ancestor (Moloney, not Cryan).
Can anyone suggest a way totracethe origin of someone from the name, the
first names of the parents, arough birthdate (since the 19th century Irish all
lied about their age,itseems) and the rough date of passage (since other dates
had to bealteredto conform to the fictitious age). I'm sending a request to the (U.S.)
National Archives for arrivalrecords(on their required forms), in case that
information is there. I alsosuppose that
a search by each county heritage society might turnsomethingup, but that would
be quite expensive, and since Moloney is so common,theproblems we have with
Cryan are multiplied.
Any suggestions? Roger Martin Cryan
(descended from
Martin Cryan, arrived 1881, born 1867 in Ballinanultytownland, Boyle parish,
County Roscommon, of James Cryan and Honor(Byrne)Cryan)
From: Fatarm@aol.comAdd to Address Book Date:
Mon, 7 Dec 1998 11:37:15 EST
Subject:
[CRYAN-L] Good for you all! And some personal news To:
CRYAN-L@rootsweb.com
I just got my
rootsweb update notice for December, and see that threeof you
all have posted
your surnames to rootsweb's list -- good for you! I
hope youstart
getting emails / connections relating to that.... For those of
you whohaven't yet
posted the surnames you're researching to rootsweb, go to
www.rootsweb.com
and do it! It's free! And sponsors of rootsweb get
monthlynotices of
new postings of the surnames they've posted (saves wear and
tear onthe old
keyboard from having to go back and check all the time) ... a
nicelittle
service.
Erica, I noticed
you have a new/another web site? I
haven't been overthereto look at it yet -- do you have info others on the list
might beinterestedin looking at?As regarding overload ... well, we lost a
subscriber who felt"underqualified"for the list -- but we're still in
touch, so they may come back. But I
needto warn you
all that my contact is about to get more random. We've(finally)made the decision to uproot
again. The next two months will be
packedfull ofthe present-day for me and my genealogy "habit" will
have to take backburner.I'm sad to leave Chicago, but we're heading to
Washington, D.C., whichcertainly offers plenty of attractions (but, oh,
Kathleen, how I shallmissMarshall Field's!).
Of course, soon I'll have the whole of the LibraryofCongress to search
for O'Creans, Creaghans, and MacCroghans!
Anyone onthelist in the Maryland area???
Lastly, I was
fortunate enough to attend my last Cryan's daughter's (in
otherwords, my
grandmother's) 80th birthday celebration this weekend. We
had greatfun
remembering all of her sayings -- agreeing that you can take the
girl outof Ireland
but you can't take Ireland from the girl.
"Lord love a
duck!"(used
like 'for goodness' sake'), "If wishes were horses then beggars
wouldride"
(ie, that's not going to happen), "That's a lazy man's load" (try
harder), and a few
others I think I've mentioned before on the list --
"Morefool
you", "More's the pity" and "God Bless us and Save us, says
Biddy
O'Davis"
(Mrs. O'Davis to you, right Michael?).
Anyone else recognize
these?I look
forward to reading your messages as always .... Leslie
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From: Harvey.Wohlwend@sematech.orgAdd to
Address Book Date: Mon, 07 Dec 1998 11:34:39 -0600
Subject: RE: [CRYAN-L] Information
overload and Thank You !!!! To:
CRYAN-L@rootsweb.com
I have found
Family Tree Maker to be quite a good product. The company
alsoprovides a
very helpful web site at: http://www.familytreemaker.com/
Regards, Harvey
Wohlwend Austin, Texas
Son of Eleanor
CRYAN
From: ljstandak@webtv.net (Lyle Staehnke)Add
to Address Book Date: Mon, 7 Dec 1998 09:42:31 -0800 (PST)
Subject: [CRYAN-L] RE:Irish songs To:
CRYAN-L@rootsweb.com
My
grandfather,James Cryan,use to sing Irish songs to us..The problem is
I can only remember
parts of them,so just in case they sound familiar to
anyone else, maybe
they can fill in the gaps,,,
Hold her back
McCarty cried,stop her said McCue,I thought we`d shake to
pieces as along
the road we flew..Hold her back McCarty cried stop her
said McCue, Oh the
devil him self was in the wheels behind McCarty`s
mare..
Lyle
Date: Mon, 7 Dec 1998 14:32:38 -0500
(EST) From: simone samuel
<amethyst@inch.com>Add to Address Book Subject: [CRYAN-L]
http://www.westchesterclerk.com
To:
CRYAN-L@rootsweb.com
Well, I'm not sure
how helpful this is, but I wanted to see if I could
luck out easily by
doing web searches on some of my new Crehan names.
Oneof the links
for "+crehan +august*" on altavista.com was
http://www.westchesterclerk.com/indexes/nat_co.html.
This is Westchester
County
Naturalization Records Index, 1808-1927 (that's in NY.) The site,
http://www.westchesterclerk.com,
lists some available archives and has a
(seemingly costly)
e-mail research request form. I'm just mentioning it
because there were
a few Crehans, a Crian, and a Crean (possibly others)
listed with some
odd codes after their names on the Naturalization
RecordsIndex, so
it *might* be of interest to someone. Probably not, though.
Theresa Maryalso
feels underqualified
Date: Mon, 07 Dec 1998 15:08:10
-0500 From: Genealogy Central
<puopolo@cris.com>Add to Address Book Organization:
http://www.geocities.com/Heartland/Woods/6036/index.html
Subject: [CRYAN-L] My web site To: CRYAN-L@rootsweb.com
Hi everyone,
My website address
changed since I needed more space. The
address is
http://www.geocities.com/Heartland/Woods/6036/index.html
Also, I have some
pages for other unrelated family lines.
I could make
a Cryan/Crean/etc.
page if everyone wanted to contribute their line.
It isn't hard to
cut and paste lineages onto a family surname
page.Also, my page
listed above has been nominated for an award.
I would
appreciate it if
all of you would visit and decide if you wish to vote
for my
site.Thanks,Erica
Date: Mon, 7 Dec 1998 15:27:16 -0500
(EST) From: simone samuel
<amethyst@inch.com>Add to Address Book Subject: [CRYAN-L] This anyone's Frank
Crehan? To: CRYAN-L@rootsweb.com
I'll try to be
more substantial in the future, but I ran into this
recordfrom the
Penn Yan Democrat of Yates County, NY
(http://www.linkny.com/~history/1907vr.htm)
of a Frank Crehan being
married September
20, 1907, and written up in this newspaper. If he
belongs to anybody
here or is at all of interest, you can apparently
get amicrofilm
copy of the possibly "quite long and detailed" wedding
announcement. I've
heard of a Frank Crehan from a list member but not a
New York one to my
knowledge.Theresa Mary tidbit
contributor
From: Fatarm@aol.comAdd to Address Book Date:
Tue, 8 Dec 1998 11:50:46 EST Subject:
[CRYAN-L] Re: Underqualified To:
CRYAN-L@rootsweb.com
Now how the devil
do you expect us to believe that you're"underqualified",madam, when
you go about doing the research and contributing to thelist insuch a fine
manner? :)
You seem to be
making good headway ... keep it up (and keep sharing --it'smaking good reading,
at least to me).Lyle - I never even thought about the songs, but of
course! I'm afraidIdon't recognize
your's, do you mine? They're all nursery
songs: "Camels andbears, and ponies are found / prancing around on the
merry-go-round..." andthe other one that comes immediately to mind, again
from my
Cryan-gene-pool,"Roo-ta-li-too-la-ti-de
/ You are *(Nick-y)*-bare-baby / You belong to
Mommy /and I
belong to you ..." We presently
have four generations of ourfamily
alive today who
were sung these songs as infants ... I wonder how farbackthey go?
- Leslie
From: ljstandak@webtv.net (Lyle Staehnke)Add
to Address Book Date: Tue, 8 Dec 1998 10:10:26 -0800 (PST)
Subject: [CRYAN-L] RE:Songs To:
CRYAN-L@rootsweb.com
One more song I remember my Grandfather
singing goes like this.. Of
course I can only
remember the Chourus! (NO pun intended) Oh how they
Tittered how they
laughed when they heard the Lawyer declare,,Granny
died and left to
you her old arm chair..(Then it went on to say that the
bottom fell out of
the chair, and it was filled with gold and jewels and
all sorts of
valuables..The last chourus was sung full of glee and
revenge for having
been ridiculed.).Oh how they titter how they laughed
when they heard
the lawyer declare Granny died and left to you her old
arm chair.. Lyle
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Areas (Ire)
rsrching: Bandon and Glounthaune, Cork; Castlebar, Mayo;
Wexford; Dingle
Peninsula; Caherciveen, Kerry; Newcastle West & Glin,
Limrk; Donegal;
Nenagh, Tipp; Ballybane, Galway; Boyle & Keash, Sligo
From: Fatarm@aol.comAdd to Address Book Date:
Tue, 8 Dec 1998 13:18:32 EST
Subject:
[CRYAN-L] New Years' traditions from Genire-L To:
CRYAN-L@rootsweb.com
Sorry for the
repeat for those of you subscribed to Gen-Ire already, but
thought others
might enjoy, too:--
Date: Mon, 7 Dec
1998 14:25:00 -0800
From:
"Windows 95" <maggimae@chc.net.au> (by way of Vicki Lindsay)
To:
GENIRE-L@rootsweb.com
John Dixon sent
the following to me and has given me his permission to
forward to the
list. It is a comment on my email re a
Scottish
tradition.The
"first-footing" in the North-East includes bringing in a piece ofcoal
-apparently to ensure a warm fire all year - but may it have some linkto
the"black" item you referred to.Traditionally the first-footer had to
be a dark-haired man (??Blackagain),who was given a piece of silver - usually a
florin - and a drink ofsherryor similar.I recall vividly that on my walk to
collect my grandmother to come toourhouse for New Year's Day lunch I was waylaid
by several older ladies,livingon their own, who were superstitious about going
out of their housesuntilthe obligatory dark-haired man had crossed the
threshold. Despitebeing avery young
dark-haired man I was thought to be big enough to fit thebilland remember
little about the subsequent afternoons through a haze ofsherryand jingling
pockets!Feel free to forward this to the list if you think it of interest -
Icannotpost to the list direct.
Regards from Hong
KongJohn Dixon Maggie M Keely Heffernan
in Coffs Harbour, NSW, AUSTRALIA
Subject: Your New/Updated RSL Information To: caoimhghin@yahoo.com
Date: Wed, 9 Dec 1998 20:37:20 -0800
(PST) Organization: RootsWeb
Genealogical Data Cooperative
From:
rsl@rootsweb.comAdd to Address Book
Reply-to: rsl@rootsweb.com
Caoimhghin,
The recent release
of the Root Surname List (RSL) contained new or
updated
information from you. Attached to the
bottom of this form
letter is the
information we currently have in our files.
If you want
to change your
address information, or add more surnames, we can do.
The easiest
approach for us would be to have you submit the new
information via
the form at
http://www.rootsweb.com/rootsweb/searches/rslform.html
but if it is more
convenient for you to use e-mail, just send the new
information to
rsl@rootsweb.com. If you do, though,
help us by
identifying which
information is new and which is a change
to old. Please please do not resubmit information we
already have in
our files. Also, whenever you correspond with us, please
be sure to
remind us of your
nametag -- that is how we know for sure that you are
you, so to
speak. Your nametag is: kc949714
For information
about the RSL, how to get a copy, etc., send any
message to
rsl-info@genealogy.org
A table of the
abbreviations that are used is located at
http://www.rootsweb.com/roots-l/cabbrev1.html
Your surnames are
also now on the WWW, in the RSL database accessible
from http://www.rootsweb.com/rootsweb/searches/
Thanks again for
participating!
Roots
Surname List Data EntryTeam
RSL@rootsweb.com
P.S. Corrections
and changes we've received very recently
are not reflected
in the data below.
Your address info:
kc949714 Caoimhghin [Kevin] O Croidheain [Cryan],
caoimhghin@yahoo.com
231 Campus Res., Ballymun Rd., Dublin 9, Ireland
Your
surname info:
Cryan 1836
now IRL>USA kc949714
+Cryan
1836 ---- IRL>USA
kc949714
+Dolan
c1840 ---- Boyle,LET,IRL>USA
kc949714
Walsh c1760
now Ballinla>Drumdowny,KIK,IRL>WAT,IRL>USA kc949714
+Walsh
c1760 ---- KIK>WAT,IRL>USA
kc949714
From: Fatarm@aol.comAdd to Address Book Date:
Thu, 10 Dec 1998 11:34:39 EST Subject:
[CRYAN-L] Ask and thou shalt
receive To: CRYAN-L@rootsweb.com
No, I don't have a
place to live yet ... but I did ask the Gen-Iremailinglist for lyric/song sites
for Irish music, and look what I got!
Hopethishelps, Lyle. And Theresa
Mary, are these to be added to our FAQs? -Leslie
Try
http://www.sd.monash.edu.au/~exton/words/
Bob Lunny
RLunny6029@aol.com
Try this one: It
was posted on a discussion group a week or so ago...I
had alot of fun
with it.
http://www.sd.monash.edu.au/~exton/words/
:
<hamiltont@washpost.com>
Hi, I'm at the Rice Public Library in Kittery
Maine. If you check out our web site at
:
http://www.rice.lib.me.us
and click on WWW
Links on the left hand side you will get a list of topics. If you scroll down to Genealogy and then scroll down the Genealogy page to
the very bottom you will find two little dots under the tree. Click on these and you will find my personal
bookmarks. There is a section for folk
music and you will find a few links relating to Irish music. Enjoy. -- Joyce. jstephens@rice.lib.me.us
- - - - - - - - -
- - - -Try this site for lyrics. It's
the best I've seen. Type in some key
wordsinto the text
box and press search. If you find out
any sites thathave thehistory of some of these songs, please let me know. I haven't foundany butwould love to.
http://www.mudcat.org/folksearch.html
Good luck,Frank
Geary, geary@progress.com
Hi Leslie, Try the
following URL :
http://www.dawnrain.com/home/lyrics.htm
I'll sent you
another one later on, I have to find it. Chris
-CJKEOGANJR@prodigy.net
Try "
http://www.downrain.com/home/lyrics.htm"
Also, and I don't
know for sure if these work or not: go to your
browser andselect
Info Seek and place in the search "Irish Midis" then select.
Thirdlytry "
--//www. midiform.com" good luckWilliam Heatley, BiNo2731
From: Fatarm@aol.comAdd to Address Book Date:
Thu, 10 Dec 1998 11:52:25 EST Subject:
[CRYAN-L] More lyrics, a new subscriber
(and spelling), and another Xmas site
To: CRYAN-L@rootsweb.com
Please welcome
Michael, subscriber #42 (this reflects the 2-3 who'veleft).He's got a new
spelling for us, CRAEN. Thanks for
finding him,Kathleen, andwe look forward to reading/sharing/chatting with you,
Michael! (I'llleave itup to you to post
what you will from your Crain-L inquiry -- we've gotno
special formats,
just jump in ...)
More song sites...
Another Web Site
is Mudcat Cafe/ : http://www.mudcat.org/!-mnop.html
-CJKEOGANJR@prodigy.net
Go to:
www.cs.hut.fi/~zaphod/irish/all_titles.html
Have fun,
Dick :
rvs01@earthlink.com
Thank you, Mr.
O'Hara, for suggesting this website. It is veryprofessionaland beautiful, too.
I really enjoyed it ! The graphics and
the musicare
first rate.
(http://members.tripod.com/~pg4anna/xmas.htm)
Mary McAuliffe
Nigro, <CountyCork-L-request@rootsweb.com>
Date: Sat, 12 Dec 1998 04:35:49 -0800
(PST) From: Caoimhghin O Croidheain
<caoimhghin@yahoo.com>Add to Address Book Subject: [CRYAN-L] Croghan Cryans
To:
CRYAN-L@rootsweb.com
hiThe Croghan list
of births was the result of a visit to the Croghan
parish priest a
couple of years. He proudly showed me the complete
computerised
parish records going back to 1812. I then asked him
gingerly if he
would mind if I copied down all the Cryan birth
references.
"Havent you a camera there?" he replied, "Why dont you
just take a
picture of the pages - sure thats what the Americans
always
do!"Mind you, I did feel like a CIA agent taking the pictures.....
Caoimhghin
To Liam Walsh
hi againTry out
this amazing website for Walsh family history.
http://pw2.netcom.com/~walshdw/index.html
If you have a
problem use a search engine under "Walsh Family History"Let me know
what you think. I am convinced that you have quite close relatives in the
States from your grand or greatgrandfathers generation.....Kevin
Date: Sat, 12 Dec 1998 12:34:09 -0500 From:
"Michael J. Jordan" <SYNTAXINC@compuserve.com>Add to
Address Book Subject: [CRYAN-L]
More lyrics, a new subscriber (and spelling), and another Xmas site To:
CRYAN-L@rootsweb.com
This is my Craen
line:
Descendants of
Craen
Generation No. 1
1. CRAEN1 was born Unknown, and died
Unknown.
Children of CRAEN
are:
2. i.
WILLIAM2 CRAEN, b. Bef. 1759, Bellview, Armah County,
Ireland; d.
December 17, 1829, Lisbon, Ohio.
ii.
JOHN CRAIN, b. Abt. 1789, Ireland; d. Aft. 1790.
Generation No. 2
2. WILLIAM2 CRAEN (CRAEN1) was born Bef. 1759 in
Bellview, Armah
County,
Ireland, and died
December 17, 1829 in Lisbon, Ohio (Source: COLUMBIANA
COUNTY, OHIO
CEMTERY INSCRIPTIONS (Volumes 1 thru
20)Note: Spaces
indicate different
pages or groups of tombstones in same row.Phillips
Christian
ChurchCemetery, Salem Twp. Vol.
7.). He married ELIZABETHKING
Unknown, daughter
of KING.
Notes for WILLIAM
CRAEN:
William Crain born
in Belloreir near Armah, County Down Ireland with his
brother John came
to America in ? John's history uncertain - but William
settled in
Lancaster Co., PA at Georgetown Bart.. P.O. where many of his
descendants still
reside. But on the 8th of July 1812 he purchased of
Abraham Snider the
N.E. quarter section 20. Township No. 15 Range No. 3
ofSalem Township
Col. Co. O. and settling there, afterwards - in the year
1817 - July 10
sold to his son John Crain the 7.6 acres - on the east
whichland is still
in possession of Wm. Viers a grandson of John Crain.
Notes for
ELIZABETH KING:
Elizabeth King
coming to America on the same ship with William Crainthey
became aquainted
and on arriving in America were married.
Children of
WILLIAM CRAEN and ELIZABETH KING are:
i.
JOHN3 CRAIN, b. November 26, 1789, Pennsylvania; d. June
13, 1844; m.
TABITHA PRITCHARD, January 03, 1815.
More About JOHN
CRAIN:
Fact 1: 1812, War
of 1812 ii. WILLIAM CRAIN, b. Bef. 1823; d. September
05, 1823; m.
ANNBAER, Unknown.
iii.
MARGARET CRAIN, b. Unknown; d. Unknown; m. GEORGE
PICKELL,Unknown.
iv.
ELIZABETH CRAIN, b. Unknown; d. Unknown; m. NATHANIEL
MCCRACKEN,
Unknown.
v. NANCY CRAIN, b. Unknown; d. June 07, 1824.
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