P.S.  Have to run -- my live-in artist just drew a mural of an octopuson oneof my living room walls.  I guess, when you're three, when one's musecallsyou must respond immediately.  That's okay -- I haven't put the paintcan awaysince he used a painted broom handle to rub/draw a picture on my dining

roomwall.  Happy Thanksgiving to the N. Americans!

 

  From:        Fatarm@aol.comAdd to Address Book   Date:        Wed, 25 Nov 1998 10:37:17 EST

 Subject:        [CRYAN-L] Walsh site URL re-post    To:        CRYAN-L@rootsweb.com

Sorry - half a brain today.  Isn't it a great thought to think of medriving350 miles with only half my brain working???  I'm sure the spousal unitwillhave lots to say about that --

Here's the URL for the Walsh site again

http://pw2.netcom.com/~walshdw/

From:        Voltene@aol.comAdd to Address Book   Date:        Wed, 25 Nov 1998 19:49:50 EST

 Subject:        [CRYAN-L] CRYANs in Lowell, MA    To:        CRYAN-L@rootsweb.com

Hi everyone,            If anyone has any CRYANs  buried in Lowell, MA cemeteries

between1880 to the  present ,  and would like me to look-up an obituary,  give

 mename and date.             I go to the Lowell library every Monday and Thursday night.

Doing my own CRYANs,  I have accumulated a large number in my own file.

Karen Murphy

 

Date:        Wed, 25 Nov 1998 20:35:54 -0500 (EST)  From:        simone samuel <amethyst@inch.com>Add to Address Book Subject:        Re: [CRYAN-L] CRYANs in Lowell, MA    To:

        CRYAN-L@rootsweb.com

Dear Karen,   Do Crehans count? Lowell is where my mother's father's family lived,

and some stayed there while some moved down to Brooklyn. If it's anytrouble don't worry about it, but I would really be interested in mygreat-grandfather's name, DOB, etc and this might help.

If you do look them up, Crehan names thatmight be related to me are Augustine/Augustus; Arthur; Catherine; Helen;James; Lawrence, all born around 1890-1910. I don't know their father's

name, but he was from Roscommon (we are pretty sure) and we can onlypresume was born in the 1860s or 1870s. He died in the 1910s, possiblyearly 1920s. This is so unhelpful and I know Crehan obits might be quitenumerous in that part of the country. So I won't be disappointed if youcan't wade through it all.

Happy Thanksgiving to everybody who celebrates it, by the way. Theresa Mary,

still sleep-deprived and writing badly from term paper night

 

 

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Areas (Ire) rsrching: Bandon and Glounthaune, Cork; Castlebar, Mayo;

Wexford; Dingle Peninsula; Caherciveen, Kerry; Newcastle West & Glin,

Limrk; Donegal; Nenagh, Tipp; Ballybane, Galway; Boyle & Keash, Sligo

 

 

Date:        Thu, 26 Nov 1998 03:35:01 -0800 (PST)  From:        Caoimhghin O Croidheain <caoimhghin@yahoo.com>Add to Address Book Subject:        [CRYAN-L] LDS    To:        CRYAN-L@rootsweb.com

HIThe LDS list was sent to me by Mary Creaser.

All thanks go to her (and to Leslie for posting it)

Caoimhghin

 

From:        RuthK3834@aol.comAdd to Address Book   Date:        Sat, 28 Nov 1998 16:15:20 EST

 Subject:        [CRYAN-L] Searching for my Cregans    To:        CRYAN-L@rootsweb.com

I have recently discovered that I had an Uncle Patrick who died in

October of1911 in New York City (Brooklyn to be exact)  He is buried in Calvary

Cemeteryin Woodside, NY with his mother, Catharine and his sister Nellie.  I

justreceived his death certificate and found out that my great-grandparents

wereJames Cregan and Catharine Fitten both born in Ireland.  I decided to

postthis as it is new information hoping that someone can make a connection.

Thanks,Ruth

 

From:        Fatarm@aol.comAdd to Address Book   Date:        Mon, 30 Nov 1998 11:05:29 EST

 Subject:        [CRYAN-L] Thanks - and next one is a large one    To:        CRYAN-L@rootsweb.com

Thank you Caoimhghin for the Turkey postings -- I found themThanksgivingmorning in my email inbox, printed them, and was able to share themwith myfamily (who also enjoyed the long story very much).  Since I was atravellerand had no food dish to offer, your story filled its place -- and I'llnever

look at a large turkey in quite the same light again ...Ruth, give me a chance to look through my stuff and see if I findanything foryou -- if you haven't heard from me within the week, nag me.  I know

I'vepromised to look for others, but if you never heard from me, pleasefeel freeto give me a nudge/reminder.  I've got a lot of balls in the air rightnow,and I'm not the least surprised if I drop some along the way (nor am Iput outwith reminders).Kathleen, what ever came of the Isle of Man Craines?  In reading mymessageafter posting it I realized I may have sounded more exclusive than Iintended.

Lastly, the next message from me is a longer one, as it is a re-typingof theCreasers' Roman Catholic Register findings in Boyle/Roscommon.  Thereareabout 80 entries, with my usual format of "-" in fields where noinformationwas available.  They are almost exclusively "Cryan" and "Crine", with a

fewother surname entries.  By the way, I require no gratitude for typing-- I'drather it was given to Caoimhghin and the Creasers for doing the realwork --finding the information and getting it passed around to this group ofinterested people.I hope to get something else typed and up to the list by the end of theweek(I think a lot of the remaining stuff is shorter).  -Leslie

 

CFrom:        Fatarm@aol.comAdd to Address Book   Date:        Mon, 30 Nov 1998 11:11:26 EST

 Subject:        [CRYAN-L]

 RC Registers of Boyle for Cryan/Crine/etc., 1796-1833    To:

        CRYAN-L@rootsweb.com

Entries for Cryan and Variants, 1796-1833 (Mainly

Baptisms)                                                                                                                      

Extracted from Roman Catholic Registers for Boyle, Co. Roscommon, By

Mary &David Creaser, June 1991       

                                                                                                                

Birth Date      Baptised        Marriage Date   Death Date      Surname First

Name    Townland        Dad's

Surname Dad's First     Mom's Surname   Mom's First     Spouse's Surname        Spouse's

First   Witness 1's Surname     Witness 2's Surname     Notes

 

27/02/1793      02/03/1793               -      Cryan   Maria    -

        Cryan   Michael Donillan        Bridget  -      -        -       -       -

12/12/1793 or 12/12/1794        14/12/1793 or 14/12/1794                 -      Cryan   Winifred         -

        Cryan   Martin  Mullaney        Maria    -       -       -       -       -

28/12/1794      30/12/1794               -      Cryan   Joannes (John)   -

        Cryan   Robert  Lyth    Matilda -        -       -       -       -

26/01/1795      02/02/1795               -      Cryan   Jacobus (James)  -      Cryan   Pat.(Patrick)       Bruen   Catherine        -       -       -       -       -

 -      23/12/1795               -      Krine   Winifred         -      Krine   Michael Donelan Bridget  -

         -      -        -       -

 -      19/05/1803               -      Davy    Maria    -      Davy    Patrius

(Patrick)       Crine   Bridget  -       -         -       -       -

 -      16/08/1803               -      Theely  Michael  -      Theely  James   Crine   Catherine        -

         -       -         -       -

 -      20/04/1804               -      Dolan   John     -      Dolan   Pat. (Patrick)  Crine   Anna

(Ann)    -      -        -       -       -

 -      14/11/1804               -      Thevill Maria    -      Thevill Bart.

(Bartholomew)   Crine   Catherine        -       -       -       -       -

 -      17/12/1804               -      McDermott       Brigida (Bridget)        -      McDermott       Johs.

(John)  Crine   Anna (Ann)       -       -      Crine, Martin   Crine, Wina. (Winifred)

-  -      08/03/1805               -      McDermott       Patrick  -

        McDermott       Michael Crine   Maria    -       -         -       -       -

 -      08/04/1805               -      Crine   Bridget  -      Crine   Robert  Little or

Lithe   Matilda  -         -       -       -       -

 -      27/01/1806               -      Cryan   Elizabeth        -      Cryan   Stephen  -      Alice    -       -

         -       -         -

 -      c. 03/1806               -      Rock (?)        Eugenius         -      Rock

(?)     Eugenius        Crine   Catherine        -         -       -       -       -

 -      18/04/1814               -      Fitzpatrick     Anna     -

        Fitzpatrick     Edmund  Cryan   Margaret         -

         -       -       -       -

 -      23/06/1814               -      Cryan   Joannes (John)   -      Cryan   Darby   Nash    Joanna   -

         -      -        -       -

 -      20/11/1816               -      Cryan   Anna     -      Cryan   Michael Fury    Bridget  -       -     

-        -      -

 -      07/03/1817               -      Cryan   Patrick  -      Cryan   Michael Hannon  Margaret         -

         -

        Hannon, Mary    Cryan, Martin    -

 -      14/??/1817               -      Craig   Patrick  -      Craig   John    Cryan   Maria    -       -

        Cryan, Margaret         -       -

 -      06/06/1817               -      Keilty  Andrew   -      Keilty  James   Cryan   Catherine        -     

-        Cryan, Mary      -       -

 -      30/??/1817               -      Cryan   Joannes (John)   -      B- (?)  Thomas  Cryan    -       -

         -

        Cryan, Pat. (Patrick)   Cryan, Anna (Ann)        -

 -      07/09/1817               -      Armstrong       George   -

        Armstrong       Robert  Cryan   Catherine        -     

-        -       -       -

 -      10/04/1811               -      Cryan   Maria    -      Cryan   Michael Dru- (??)       Margarita      

-        -         -       -       -

 -      06/01/1818               -      Cryan   Patrick  -      Cryan   Robert (John? see

Deed)   Murrin  Johanna  -       -       -       -       -

 -      18/02/1818               -      Cryan   Matthew  -      Cryan   Matthew Corkran Fana.

(Fannia)         -         -       -       -       -

 -      05/06/1818               -      Doddy   Carolus  -      Doddy   Michael Cryan   Winifred         -     

-        -         -       -

 -      09/10/1818               -      Cryan   Winifred         -      Cryan   Peter   Sharkett        Ma. (Mary?

Margaret?)       -       -       -       -       -

 -      08/02/1819               -      Cryan   Ma. (Mary? Margaret?)    -      Cryan   Eugs. (?

Eugenius)       Cooney (?)      Cath. (Catherine)        -       -       -       -       -

 -      25/03/1819               -      Cryan   Anna     -      Cryan   Paul    Dyer    Mary     -       -

        Sharkett,Anna     -       -

 -      01/04/1819               -      Cryan   Mary     -      Cryan   Michael Feeney  Brig.

(Bridget)        -       -

        Cryan, Thomas   Cryan, Bridget   -

 -      28/07/1819               -      Cryan   Maria    -      Cryan   Michael Hanan   Marga.

(Margaret)       -      -        -       -       -

 -      29/04/1820               -      Fitzpatrick     Margaret         -      Fitzpatrick     Edwd.

(Edward)        Cryan   Margaret         -       -      Cryan, Michael   -       -

 -      11/06/1820               -      Keilty  Marcus (Mark?)   -      Keilty  Jacobus

(James) Cryan   Catherine        -       -       -       -       -

 -      03/07/1820               -      Cryan   Dominicus (Dominick)     -

        Cryan   Matthew Corkran Fannia   -       -      Cryan, Thomas    -       -

 -      30/08/1820               -      Cryan   Johanes  -      Cryan   Paulus (Paul)   Dyer    Maria    -

         -        Cryan, Peter     -       -

 -      24/10/1820               -      Cryan   Winifreda (Winifred)     -

        Cryan   Michael Fury    Brigida

(Bridget)        -       -      Cryan, John      -       -

 -      27/11/1820               -      Cryan   Robertus (Robert)        -      Cryan   Johs.

(John)  Murren  Johanna  -       -       -       -       -

 -      15/08/1821               -      McDermott       Maria    -      McDermott       Bernard Cryan   Maria  

-        -      -        -       -

 -      05/09/1821               -      Cryan   Peter    -      Cryan   Michael Hannan  Margaret         -     

-        -      -        -

 -      27/11/1821               -      Craig   Maria    -      Craig   Johs. (John)    Cryan   Maria    -     

-        -         -       -

 -      09/12/1821               -      Cryan   Thomas   -      Cryan   Martin  Higgins Catherine        -

         -       -         -       -

 -      10/02/1822               -      Fitzpatrick     Patrick  -      Fitzpatrick     Edwd.

(Edward)        Cryan   Margta. (Margaret or Margarita)  -       -       -       -       -

 -      10/02/1822               -      Dunavon Brigida (Bridget)        -      Dunavon Tim.

(Timothy)       Cryan   Brigida (Bridget)        -       -      Cryan, Michael  Cryan, Anna      -

 -      01/07/1822               -      Commins Domins. (Dominick)       -      Commins Pats.

(Patrick)       Cryan   Maria    -       -       -       -       -

 -      02/08/1822               -      Lyons   Johanes (John)   -      Lyons   Johs.

(John)  Cryan   Margta.

(Margaret or Margarita)  -       -       -       -       -

 -      15/08/1822               -      Cryan   Anna     -      Cryan   Michael Carrol  Maria    -       -     

-        -      -

 -      09/10/1822               -      Cryan   Brigida (Bridget         -

        Cryan   Michael Fury    Brigida

(Bridget)        -       -       -       -       -

 -      25/10/1822               -      Cryan   Francisca        -

        Cryan   Matthew Corkoran        Francisca        -     

-       Cryan, Thomas    -       -

 -      02/01/1823               -      Brennan Patrick  -      Brennan Peter   Cryan   Mary     -       -

         -      -        -

 -      03/05/1823               -      Cryan   Catherine        -      Cryan   Peter   Mattimo Necta (?)      

-        -      -        -       -

 -      06/05/1823               -      Cryan   John     -      Cryan   John    Carty   Honaria (Honoria?)     

-        -         -       -       -

 -      14/12/1823               -      Noone   Matthew  -      Noone   James   Crine   Maria    -       -     

-        -      -

 -      07/01/1824               -      Cryan   Martin   -      Cryan   Daniel  McDonagh        Mgt.

(Margaret)       -

         -       -       -       -

 -      31/01/1824               -      Cryne   James    -      Cryne   Matthew Gallagher       Anna     -       -

         -      -        -

 -      14/03/1824               -      McLoughlin      Patrick  -

        McLoughlin      Michael Cryne   Brig.

(Bridget)        -       -       -       -       -

 -      23/04/1824               -      McDermott       Thomas   -      McDermott       Michael Cryne

(?)     Mary     -      -        -       -       -

 -      20/07/1824               -      Cryne   James    -      Cryne   Michael Fury    Brig. (Bridget)

-        -

        Cryne, John      -       -

 -      05/09/1824               -      Reilly  Maria-Anna (Mary Anne)   -

        Reilly  James   Cryan   M.

Anne (Mary Anne)         -       -       -       -       -

 -      20/10/1824               -      Cryne   John     -      Cryne   John    Clark   Maria    -       -       -     

-        -

 -      14/01/1827               -      McDermott       Bernard  -

        McDermott       Bernard Cryan   Maria    -       -

         -       -      twins

 -      14/01/1827               -      McDermott       Michael  -

        McDermott       Bernard Cryan   Maria    -       -

         -       -      twins

 -      15/07/1827               -      Cryan   Maria    -      Cryan   Patrick Corkoran        Brig.

(Bridget)        -         -       -       -       -

 -      17/07/1827               -      Cryan   Elna     -      Cryan   Robert  McDermott       Maria    -       -

        Cryan,

Peter    -       -

 -      19/07/1830               -      Cryan   Maria    -      Cryan   Michael Carrol  Maria    -       -     

-        -         -

 -      10/09/1830               -      Cryan   Maria    -      Cryan   Michael Beirne (?)      Cath.

(Catherine)      -       -       -       -       -

 -      30/10/1830               -      Crian   Mary     -      Crian   James   Mullaney        Mary     -       -

        Crian,Margaret         -       -

 -      18/02/1831               -      Cryan   Catherine        -      Cryan   Peter   Karroll

(Carroll?)      Brig.(Bridget)        -       -       -       -       -

 -      02/03/1831               -      Crine   Robert   -      Crine   Patk. (Patrick) Martin

(?)     Maria    -         -       -       -       -

 -      17/03/1831               -      Cryan   Mary     -      Cryan   Michael Beirne (?)      Catherine      

-        -      -        -       -

 -      11/07/1832               -      Crian   John     -      Crian   James   Connor  Brig. (Bridget)

-        -      -        -       -

 -      20/02/1833               -      Crian   Pat      -      Crian   John    Harrington      Maria    -       -     

-        -      -

 -      24/06/1833               -      Crian   John     -      Crian   John    Drury   Cath. (Catherine)      

-        -

        Gerachty, Jacobus (James)       Drury, Brig. (Bridget)   -

 -      11/08/1833               -      Crian   Peter    -      Crian   Paul    Diar (Dyer?)    Maria    -     

-        -      -        -

 -      24/11/1833               -      Dolan   Margaret         -      Dolan   Jacobus

(James) Breheny Margaret       

-        -       -       -       -

c. 1803  -       -      c. 30/01/1838   Cryan   Margarita       Grangemore       -       -       -       -

         -     

-        -       -      Death date approximated based on burial date

c. 1769  -       -      c. 12/03/1839   Cryan   Bridget Grallagh         -       -       -       -       -

         -     

-        -      Death date approximated based on burial date

 -       -      07/03/1811       -      Crine   Margaret         -       -       -       -       -

        Fitzpatrick     Edward  Crine, Martin   Cane (?), Cecilia        -

 -       -      22/09/1812       -      Whelan  Elizabeth        -       -       -       -       -

        Drury   Patrick Cryan, Robert    -       -

 

From:        ljstandak@webtv.net (Lyle Staehnke)Add to Address Book   Date:        Tue, 1 Dec 1998 10:24:28 -0800 (PST) Subject:        [CRYAN-L] RE:Cryan    To:        CRYAN-L@rootsweb.com

     Thanks!!!!,Caoimhghin, Mary and David Creaser andLeslie.....Such information really gets to the core of ourresearch...I`m almost certain my Great grandfather (Danial Cryan) ismetioned in the Boyle County record,along with son Martin and wifeMargaret McDonagh. Thanks again--- Lyle

 

 

Date:          Tue, 1 Dec 1998 20:52:31 -0500 (EST)    From:          simone samuel <amethyst@inch.com>Add to Address Book Reply-To:          simone samuel <amethyst@inch.com>  Subject:          [CRYAN-L] New info on my Crehans      To:          CRYAN-L@rootsweb.com

Thanks to Karen who offered to look up Lowell, MA Cryans et al., I have

learned plenty about my grandfather's family. I know now for certain

thatmy great-grandmother was Catherine Logan from Galway and my

g-grandfatherwas Matthew Crehan, son of Augustine and Eliza, who we will still have

toassume were from Roscommon. I've got dates, occupations, and all sorts

ofneat things, but I just wanted to share that jubilation first. Tomorrow

I'll have time to start rounding up FAQ-like stuff and if people are

interested I could post all the new info about my Crehans.Interestingly,

the third son was named after the father as someone suggested was

traditional Irish practice, so maybe I could look up the rest of that

system and surmise other possible relative names from those of the many

children.Theresa Marywho never knew a single great-great-grandparent's name before

 

Reply-To:          "Family History" < >    From: "Family History" < >Add to Address Book    Date:          Wed, 2 Dec 1998 10:42:06 -0000

  Subject:          [CRYAN-L] Exciting news for some      To:          CRYAN-L@rootsweb.com

ESPECIALLY     Anthony Cryan     ALERT !!!  -  a cautious EUREKA !!

Hi everyone,After a rather distressing time I am here again. However , I do not

have agreat deal of time to do much writing but I have followed the recentmailings with enthousiasm. Thank you for it all.In the last few weeks my film of the Keashe RC parish records arrived

and Ispent some time looking at them.Sadly they are intermittant and seem in quite poor condition. They

cover theperiod roughly 1842 -47 and 52-55 and then there is a later transcriptof

1872-80 ish (these later transcripts are written in minute script). Ifanyone has seen any other periods of time for this parish I would bemostgrateful to know - my family interest seems to just miss these dates.

Even15 Jan 1845 - 3 Nov 1845 is missing - I think thay my Daniel is likelyto bethere and my John, just before the records started. Is that fair I askthefates ?One item of interest from these records is that the baptisms include thetownland/hamlet of the candidate (if one can read it, as the edges of

thepages are badly aged). From this it seems that the congregation camefrom a

much wider area than I imagined - it seems a huge parish from almostBallymote to almost Loch Gara and there are people from Gurteen.One explanation for the missing records (especially 1847-52) could be

connected with The Famine and its aftermath. Priests died too, and werenotreplaced . Villages could not support their own priest so amalgamatedtemporarily with another parish. The population declined by about ahalf ormore in some areas. A few missing pages in a book can imply the weight

ofhuman suffering !!Anyway after tantalising Anthony  - I hope that he is pleased with

this. Andnot where he expected. Something always comes up sooner or later - I

did notforget your interests.

14 April 1846 baptism of   JAMES CRYAN  of Broher(now written Brogher or Brougher,

about2 miles NEish of Gurteen and next hamlet to Carrowcrory)

Parents Dominick CRYAN and Catherine CAWLY

Godparents Patrick BREHENY and Sarah MORRISOE(I think this is the

nearest ,but writing difficult to read)

Michael, I think that this is the John that we have been talking about

20 Nov 1845    baptism of John CRYAN of Durnaska (or variation)

Parents  Patrick CRYAN and Mary HART

Godparents Michael CRYAN and Catherine CAWLY (likely to be a different

onefrom Dominick's wife as this is only 5 months before the above event

........... unless !  But there is no marriage record for them in the

intervening months but it could have taken place in another parish. I am

trying to cover all possibilities here. The other thought is that a wife

could have been known by her maiden name - is that too far fetched?

What doother think ? Have you met it before? Does it alter things?)

If this is yours Michael then so is this

1 May 1844  baptism of James CRYAN of Durnaskea/Derrinaska

Parents Patrick CRYAN and Mary Hart

Godparents Mathew/Michael(diff. to read probably the former) and Sarah

HART

Perhaps Patrick's father is a James , eldest son being ofter called

afterhis paternal grandfather,(if this James is the eldest son)

This is enough excitement for you all for this week.  We do want to

continue.........Until again and another exciting episodeRegards to allEve

I think also that Michael may be right about the 20 families in Keashe,

itwould seem that almost every entry is for a different family.

 

Reply-To:          "Family History" < >    From:          "Family History" < >Add to Address Book    Date:          Wed, 2 Dec 1998 13:23:26 -0000

  Subject:          [CRYAN-L] Correction to earlier posting      To:          CRYAN-L@rootsweb.com

Sorry Michael especially, but sorry to all - left brain somewhere else

or itis preoccupied with other things.I will rewrite the last extract I gave because I omitted a CRYAN surname!!!!

1 May 1844  baptism James CRYAN of Durnaskea/ Derrinska

Parents Patrick CRYAN and Mary HART

Godparents Mathew/Michael (probably Mathew but difficult to read) and

Sarah HART same place and same parents as the John CRYAN mentioned before.

Eve

From:        Fatarm@aol.comAdd to Address Book   Date:        Wed, 2 Dec 1998 10:58:23 EST

 Subject:        [CRYAN-L] Irish Christmas traditions    To:        CRYAN-L@rootsweb.com

The County Cork list has been conversing for the last few weeks about

19th c.traditions of celebrating Christmas in Ireland.  I thought the

following was aparticularly interesting message to share with all of you, too.  Do any

of youknow of any Crean/MacCroghan/Creaghan type traditions (especially those

of youborn to the name)?  It'd be neat to find that an unusual familytradition was

a common link between cousins or branches of the family (we won't knowuntil

we try).  -Leslie (I'm off to call my grandmom to find out if she can remember her

mother's family's traditions)

* * * * * * * * * * * * * *

Hi-I always heard that the candle in the window was to give a signal to apriestduring the time of the penal laws. If the priest (who were in hiding)saw acandle, he knew it was safe to enter and say Mass.

>From O Come Ye Back to Ireland by Niall Williams and Christine Breen -

Santacomes to the front door on Christmas Eve, leaves a pile of gifts andthen

knocks loudly.

"Of all the traditions associated with Christmas Eve by far the most

prevalenttoday is the lighting of the coinneal mor na Nollag, or the big

Christmascandle. In each household the coinneal mor would be lit in darkness and

placedin the front room window to burn there until morning. The origin of the

customis that the candle is lit to show Mary and Joseph that, unlike the inn

atBethlehem, this house would always welcome them. In the same way it is

customary to leave all doors unlocked that evening and when going to

bed toleave some food in three dishes upon the kitchen table as a welcome for

the"travelers to Bethlehem" "

Amy (Datull@aol.com)

 

From:        Fatarm@aol.comAdd to Address Book   Date:        Wed, 2 Dec 1998 11:00:41 EST

 Subject:        [CRYAN-L] Wow! Misc and time period inquiry    To:        CRYAN-L@rootsweb.com

Congrats to Lyle, Theresa Mary (and Karen), ?and Anthony?  And welcome

back,Eve, we missed you.

Theresa Mary, please post the details ... the story is more than half

of theinterest for me!Eve, I, too, am interested in the famine years and their repercussions

-- amjust finishing "The Famine Ships" by Edward Laxton and am shocked by

what Iread.  The hardship of life for the common man is amazing.  There is a

sectionin the book about landlords from the Sligo area essentially removing the

"excess pauper population" by hiring ships to "emigrate" the tenantry. I

suppose, at some level, these could be considered some of the luckier

poorpeople of the period, given the starvation rate.  I've searched what

few listsare in the book for O'Creans and haven't found any (unless they are

anglicizedbeyond the forms I instantly recognize) particularly mentioned.  It'd be

interesting to determine, for those of us whose families emigrated, when

precisely they did so and for what reasons.  It'd make an interestingpart of

our family study to better understand the transportations and emigration

patterns, I think.Somewhat in that vein, I have a specific inquiry regarding time

periods.  Somuch of what has been posted is 19th c., naturally.  Caoimhghin and I

havewondered how we can start making headway into the 18th century.  Wendy

withher Craun research knows her ancestor was transported in the 1790s, and

through the list we've picked up a couple of other random 18th century

O'Creans/Creaghans/MacCroghans, but does anyone know of more source

materialfor that century?  I'd love to start digging up stuff to see if we can

linkanyone back to those 17th c. Bishops et al.  (Barbara, this is your

lead-in..)

--Leslie

P.S. Caoimhghin, received the loot -- how is it that you're always,like, 40steps ahead of me?!?  Am presently trying to get the Croghan birth indexprintout typed up to post.

 

From:        Fatarm@aol.comAdd to Address Book   Date:        Wed, 2 Dec 1998 11:17:49 EST

 Subject:        [CRYAN-L] Naming/birth order    To:        CRYAN-L@rootsweb.com

Someone correct me if I've gotten this wrong (through the list) because

I'mrelying on my never-trustworthy memory:

First son/daughter named after Paternal Grandfather/grandmother

Second son/daughter named after Maternal Grandfather/grandmother

Third son/daughter named after Father's Oldest Brother/Sister

Fourth son/daughter named after Father/Mother

Maybe, Theresa Mary, your ancestor's father didn't have an older

brother, soas the third son he was named after the father instead?

 

 

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Date:        Wed, 2 Dec 1998 13:10:02 -0500 (EST)  From:        simone samuel <amethyst@inch.com>Add to Address Book Subject:        Re: [CRYAN-L] Naming/birth order    To:        CRYAN-L@rootsweb.com

Well, I had heard that the father = 3rd son elsewhere, but I think this

kind of thing is likely to get mixed up. But I haven't checked on what

therest of the system was to see if the naming pattern fits in with what I

had heard. In the case I've just learned of:

Second son = paternal grandfather

Third son = father

First daughter = maternal grandmother

Second daughter = mother

There is no connection that I see with the others, although I don't knowthe names of any aunts or uncles. I suppose they might not havefollowed a pattern at all, although the info I have leads me to believethere might be a child who died and isn't mentioned, so maybe the seconddaughter really = the third daughter.That sounds really confused. Well, after I post my new names and dates

andhave a nice pizza lunch for mental energy, I'll get down to FAQ-hunting.

 

Date:          Wed, 2 Dec 1998 13:40:02 -0500 (EST)    From:    simone samuel <amethyst@inch.com>Add to Address Book Reply-To:          simone samuel <amethyst@inch.com>  Subject:          [CRYAN-L] CREHAN Family in Mass. (fwd)      To:          CRYAN-L@rootsweb.com

This is what Karen sent to me, forwarding it seems the most concise way

toshare the facts. Following is a summary of a some other things I'velearned.

Marriage,  Boston, MA

1897, Vol. 471, pg. 122

  Matthew J. Crehan,  age.. 24;   residence..  Boston;   occ...

laborer;place of                      birth...  Ireland ;  parents,...

Augustine  andEliza;    # of marriage ..  1

  Catherine M. Logan,   age..25;  residence..  Boston;   occ...  cook;

place of  birth...  Ireland ;  parents...   f. ?      and  Mary;      

 # of marriage ...  1         Married by Rev. James Anthony Walsh,  clergyman

                             10 June 1897

 Children

John                              b. abt     (bef.  Feb 1898)

Augustine Francis           b. 20 Oct 1898,             Boston,   MA

Matthew James              b.  2   Jan. 1900             Boston,   MA

Mark  Leo                       b. 24  Mar, 1901            Boston,   MA

Mary Ellen                      b. 14  Jul. 1902              Boston, 

MA

Lawrence H.                   b. 16  Oct 1903              Boston,   MA

James P.                       b.  abt 1905

Arthur T.                         b.  abt 1906

Catherine A.                    b. abt 1908

Julia                               b.  abt 1909

Margaret                         b.  after  1920   ?

Helen                              b.  after  1920   ?

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First mention in Lowell City directory for Matthew Crehan and family,

1907

According to the 1910 census,  Lowell,  MA,   (Roll 601, E.D. 877,

Sheet 18B)Catherine (Logan) Crehan had,   up to that time,  11 children,  8 alive

in1910.

Matthew J. Crehan  died  abt 14 Nov 1918.      ? on place of death.

No obituary found.Buried at St. Patrick Cemetery,  Lowell, MA