From: Fatarm@aol.comAdd to Address Book Date:
Tue, 17 Nov 1998 10:19:24 EST
To:
caoimhghin@yahoo.com Subject:
Dolan, rootsweb, O'Creans, future postings, Book?
HREF="http://www.rootsweb.com/~maillist/surnames/index.html">Surname/Family
Lists</A> at
rootsweb,
http://www.rootsweb.com/~maillist/surnames/index.html
is the place to
start looking in many instances.
However, not allsurnames
have a list yet --
consider trying the basic surname
mailing
lists. Also, the county lists (but again
there isn't yet a
list ofall
counties) are pretty good -- I'm on Roscommon,
andI'm collecting
all sorts of neat info. Where did
you see the list of researchers? If on
the rootsweb mainsurnamedatabank, you can email them individually -- I agree
it's a tedious
task ifone can't
limit the hits-list sufficiently.
Another option is to post
yourown surnames
to rootsweb for free, and everyone with the same surname
getsyour posting
when the list is updated monthly (usually in the first
week of anew
month). There's a form for doing it and
is quite simple (if I
managed todo it
correctly the first time, anyone can!) -- go through the main
www.rootsweb.com
page to the half-million surname posting list (whatever
that's called) and
follow for adding your surnames.
As to the Creans ... I agree, we need to get something to fill in
theholes-- everyone on the list can get to the nineteenth century I believe,
and manyto the
early 19th or late 18th ... and then ~nada~.
Was it Grenham
that Iread, saying
that he only knew of 20 families that had successfully
filled inthis same
time period gap?? I'll look at him again
to see what sources
helists for this
period. But the Creans are
remarkably silent on our list, no? Two
have
unsubbed (butnot
before I got their info - ha!) and two have not yet posted at all.
Butthere are still
42 of us on the list (can you believe it?) .... Are you
certain you want
to claim the notorious Crean's?? I'm not
so certain
I'denjoy boasting
of an ancestor taking payouts from Henry VIII !!
Although, frankly, it'd fit -- I've
come to the conclusion that my
maternalGreatgrandmom
kept her British citizenship because she wanted it (her
fatherwas the RIC
guy, and her Dublin-born husband was naturalized here) --
yet shedidn't want
to resettle in
appearedbecause
"all the cars are black" and more political comments that have
descended through
the generations. I'm such an anomaly in
my family,
becausein general
we're a bunch of anglo-philes. My
father's aunt just wrote
me tosay that she
thinks it's ironic that I'm taking such a pleasure in my
Irishroots when
her/our ancestors spent most of their lives here in the
Stateshiding or
denying them. It's such an
interesting phenomenon, the Irish here hiding where they
wereborn because
of the prejudice earlier this century against the Irish,
and theIreland
Irish ashamed of the emigration. Thank
god things have changed!
Personally, I have a hard time not
being extremely angry the more I
readabout the
slaughters, the hardship, and the penal laws.
I'm reading a
rathervitriolic
book at the moment, "The Famine Ships", and the author rather
pointsout all the
massacres and injuries, from Cromwell on ... maybe I ought
to reada nice
travel rag next. Send whatever you
like -- I'm sorry I'm so slow in reciprocating.
Actually,you must
realize, your offerings are like manna to the masses -- I'd
havenothing to
post myself at the moment and the list would be quite dead
withoutthem. I don't mind typing, I'm fairly quick, and
I'm having a blast
readingwhat you
send. Lastly, Michael Tobin and I
have exchanged a brief email as to putting
everything
together in a book at some point, maybe next year. We'veall beenfairly open about sharing info,
and though it's only the raw data, Ithinkit'd be neat to do a cross-Atlantic
collaboration. If you're
interested
inparticipating, keep it in the back of your mind. We've still got a
ways
From: Fatarm@aol.comAdd to Address Book Date:
Tue, 17 Nov 1998 10:53:24 EST
Subject:
[CRYAN-L] O'Rorke, part 2, Early
Creans To:
CRYAN-L@rootsweb.com
(cont'd)
The O'Creans were
not long in
land;and before
many years had passed, they held landed estate not only near
thetown, but in
various other parts of the country.
Andrew O'Crean of
Annagh,
orHazelwood and much of the parishes of Carbury and
barony ofCarbury,
but also considerable stretches of land in Leyney, Tereragh,
andCoolavin, as
well as the abbey of Ballindoon, in the barony of
Tirerrill. Heappears to have died in 1641.
Bishop O'Crean, who was probably uncle
of this Andrew, was Prior of
Sligoconvent in
1561, when Bernard O'Higgins, Bishop of Elphin, having
resignedthat see
in his favour, he set out for
resignation,and a
letter of recommendation from the Very Rev. David Wolf, S.J.,
who, likeMonsignor
Persico at present, was then acting as Apostolic Delegate of
theHoly See in
regardedthe
administration of the Irish church. This
proceeding of the Prior,
ingoing to
of afew others
whom we read or hear of -- of some, who under the influence
ofgenuine
Christian humility, shrink, in reality as well as in seeming,
from
theresponsibility of the episcopate; and of others, who, perhaps, from
"the
pridethat apes humility," in dallying with offers of preferment, are only
indulgingpersonal
vanity, or some equally unamiable constitutional idiosyncrasy;
butDr. O'Crean,
when the call of duty came to him later on, proved his
humilityand
becoming a simple friar again -- a proof vastly more satisfactory
than anyamount of
"Nolo episcopari" professions.
On reaching
andbecame unable
to proceed further; but the Pope, on receiving his
testimonials,and
seeing his qualifications, issued the Brief for his consecration,
which,apparently,
took place in
mentioned. Theappointment is thus recorded in the
Consistorial Acts: - "Die 28
Januarii,1562:
referente Cardinali Morono, Sua Sanctitas profidit Reverendi
DominiO'Higgins
(written O'Huyghiun,) ordinis Sancti Augustini Professoris de
persona Domini
Andreae O'Crean, Hiberni, ordinis Praedicatorum
Professoris,quem
R.P. David, presbyter Societatis Jesu in
suaslitteras
commendavit."
Unlike his predecessor, Dr. O'Higgins,
whose self-will and
untractableness
oftemper lost him the esteem of the people, Dr. O'Crean was a favourite
with allclasses in
his diocese, but more particularly with the native
inhabitants
ofSligo, who were proud of him as one of themselves. The feeling was
mutual,for the
good bishop had a special live [sic] for his fellow townsmen;
andamong the
benefits, conferred by him on his native town, may be
mentioned,
inparticular, a cross, which he erected at the bottom of the present
MarketStreet.[end.]
From: Fatarm@aol.comAdd to Address Book Date:
Tue, 17 Nov 1998 10:57:48 EST
Subject:
[CRYAN-L] More online bookstores/book sources/book locators
To:
CRYAN-L@rootsweb.com
CENTRAL BOOK
LOCATOR for GENEALOGISTS
http://www.genealogy-books.com/locator.htm
Updated daily.
Bookmark, as books are continually added.
100 books just
added from MD, MASS, NC,
- - - - - - - - -
- - - - - -
Date: Thu, 05 Nov
1998 20:54:11 -0800
From: James
Maloney <megaralt@worldnet.att.net>
Some Good On-line
Sources for Irish Books &c.:
http://www.amazon.com Amazon.com
http://www.abebooks.com/ The Advanced Book Exchange [my
favorite!]
http://www.iol.ie/%7Ecelticbk/ The Celtic Bookshop:
http://www.irishbooks.com/ The Irish Bookshop:
http://www.irishbook.com Irish Books & Media:
http://www.iol.ie/resource/kennys/ Kennys Bookshop:
http://indigo.ie/~deburca/deburca.htm De Búrca Rare Books:
http://indigo.ie/~cathach/ Cathach Books:
http://www.hannas.ie/ Fred Hanna's Bookstore:
http://www.hodgesfiggis.com/ Hodges Figgis Online:
http://www.hughesbooks.com/ Hughes and Hughes:
http://www.wombat.ie/cic/ Clo Iar Chonnachta:
http://www.genealogical.com/ Genealogical Publishing Co: Balto
http://www.macbeth.com.au/index.html Macbeth Genealogical Services
http://www.genealogy.org/~ajmorris/ AJMORRIS GENEALOGY Home Page
From: Fatarm@aol.comAdd to Address Book Date:
Tue, 17 Nov 1998 11:01:02 EST
Subject:
[CRYAN-L] Invitation to Post Sites
To: CRYAN-L@rootsweb.com
I had a thought --
I "met" a lot of you through your postings online at
various sites
around the world-wide web. How about
sharing your
posting sitesso
that others can look them up? I think at
least 3 or 4 of you have
your ownweb pages,
some others of you have posted details at ancestry.com or
genforum.com --
why not do a sort of "roll call" of these sites? It'd
be aquick way to
catch each other up, especially the more recent joinees.
Just anidea,
Leslie
P.S. My family searches are posted through
rootsweb, id=fatarm, but I
haven'tupdated in
3 months, so the dates may be off.
Date: Tue, 17 Nov 1998 11:21:27 -0500
(EST) From: simone samuel
<amethyst@inch.com>Add to Address Book Subject: [CRYAN-L] FAQ? To:
CRYAN-L@rootsweb.com
After reading
Leslie's suggestion to list posting sites, I thought maybe
I'd mention an
idea that had been floating through my head, to make a
Frequently Asked
Questions list for this mailing list. Sometimes I want
toask someone if
they've thought of looking at say switchboard.com or
ancestry.com
(since I don't have much else to share,) but it could get
soredundant. Then
I thought the idea itself might be redundant because
thereare so many
genealogy links sites out there. But maybe it would be nice
tohave a Cryan et
al. specific one - including general genealogy links,
andthen all
specific links, book listings, and other important things to
know. Of course
since I am making this suggestion I'll volunteer to try
toput it together
if it sounds good. I'm slow, but I could probably do an
OKjob combing
through past postings, links I know of, and any suggestions
people give me to
assemble it. There isn't such a document already that
Ihave missed,
right? I could put it on my web site, or it could be
periodically
posted, etc. Just an idea.
From: "jmitchell" <jmitchell@ameritech.net>Add
to Address Book
Subject:
Re: [CRYAN-L] Invitation to Post Sites
Date:
Tue, 17 Nov 1998 12:52:36 -0500
To: CRYAN-L@rootsweb.com
Hi all,
OK, I'll bite. One
of my favorites is
<www.genforum.com>
The problem is
they don't _yet_ have a forum for Cregan, Craigen,
Cryan...If
everyone were to e-mail them a quick request on their built in web
pagerequest form
at
<http://genforum.familytreemaker.com/new.html>
we'd have that
forum(s)! They state that a certain number of requests
arerequired to set
up a new surname forum but they _don't_ state what that
number is sooo
everyone - please take a few minutes to do this. Once
done,you (Leslie)
have another place to solicit members to this list.
One glitch to
requesting ~Everyone will automatically request their version/spelling of the
Cryan
surname which will
probably not be enough of any single spelling to get
GenForum's
attention. We could agree on a couple spellings that are
differentenough to
warrant their own forum. I'd suggest CRYAN & CREGAN of course,
and request both
as most Cregan/Creegan/Craghen/Craigen... researchers
would not take a
second look at a Cryan forum. Your thoughts, Leslie?
Well,that's my 2
cents.Jojmitchell@ameritech.net
jmitchell@stones.com
Looking for Cregan/Craigen/Creighen
from
Donovan&
Oster.
From: Fatarm@aol.comAdd to Address Book Date:
Wed, 18 Nov 1998 01:12:23 EST
Subject:
[CRYAN-L] FAQ/Great sources document
To: CRYAN-L@rootsweb.com
Even if you hadn't
volunteered, I was all set to nominate you, Theresa!
Soconsider this a second to that
nomination -- do you know how to get
into thearchives
of this list? Because we've all posted
some good things. And
don'tforget to
post to the list where on the web (if it is) your info can be
found-- other
Crehan/Crean researchers will be interested (especially those
with aCatherine
Crehan) ... Leslie
From:
Fatarm@aol.comAdd to Address Book
Date: Wed, 18 Nov 1998
01:26:04 EST
Subject:
[CRYAN-L] www.Genforum.com
To: CRYAN-L@rootsweb.com
Well, they've
already had 3 requests from me for Cryan -- it'sinteresting to
hear how the
process works.I'll be honest -- although this list is almost 1/4 Cryan
researchers,
according to
MacLysaght, that guy who did all the research on surnames
andtheir origins
in
Creaghans
andCreans and all of our variations.
When I find a new site, I usually
have tocheck over
a dozen different spellings -- the problem is partially
genforum'sset-up. And the researchers, too. I'm a classic case: when I started
thismailing list I
had no real clue that the Cryan name was so often
confused withCrean
or anything else.So, if we have to pick, let's do Crean and Creaghan and
MacCroghan. But, andhere's the plug, at least post your surnames on rootsweb's
list -- it's
freeoff the main
rootsweb page (www.rootsweb.com), and although it doesn't
allowdescriptions
or christian names, it does allow for a location and date
range.And you
automatically get notified everytime someone with the same
surnamespelling
also posts their research up to rootsweb.Ask my opinion, and unfortunately
you're likely to get it. You don'thave touse
it, but you'll get it .... LeslieP.S. I
had luck with genforum on a different line, so it really is
agreatbulletin-board like posting place:
I was looking for a Keelin, and
althoughunlucky
there, found info under Keeling and Keeland.
From:
Fatarm@aol.comAdd to Address
Book Date: Wed, 18 Nov 1998 01:41:47 EST
Subject:
[CRYAN-L] Website - Cryan from
*Just a reminder
folks - make sure you email/reply to
"Cryan-L@rootsweb.com"
-- I'm not
single-ing (no dictionary at hand, had to make sure I came
close tothe right
spelling) you out Erica -- this has happened three times in
the pastweek -
once by me!!*- - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - -
Hi everyoneI have
a site at
http://www.geocities.com/Heartland/Woods/6036/index.html
where you can
submit your surnames for free. There is
also a bulletin
boardandsome other
good stuff.I'm researching Cryan line from Co. Sligo to MA,
ThanksErica
Date: Wed, 18 Nov 1998 07:31:25 -0500 (EST) From:
simone samuel <amethyst@inch.com>Add to Address Book Subject: Re: [CRYAN-L] FAQ/Great sources
document To: CRYAN-L@rootsweb.com
I have saved
almost every post I've received - I think a couple got
accidentally
deleted but that's it. (including whichever post mentioned
where the archives
are. If I'm imagining that there was one, please let
meknow where they
are!) It'd just take a lot of repetitive motion with the
mouse one night,
then jotting down URLs and titles as I went through
eachmsg, then
maybe later adding on certain question & answers and stuff
likethat. Not sure
when I'll get to it, although chances are I'm just
foolingmyself that
I'll be busy with term papers any time except the nights
before they're
due.Theresa Mary
Date: Wed, 18 Nov 1998 08:00:18 -0500
(EST) From: simone samuel
<amethyst@inch.com>Add to Address Book Reply-To: simone samuel
<amethyst@inch.com>
Subject: [CRYAN-L] where my info is
posted To: CRYAN-L@rootsweb.com
For the time
being, my (old) family info is available at
http://www.inch.com/~amethyst/family.htm.
Any of you Catherine Crehan
researchers should
be aware that "Margaret O'Donoghue (?)" now equals
either Catherine
Logan or Catherine Walsh, apparently - born circa 1872
inDonegal (another
"we think") - married in
fromRoscommon in
the 1890s, died 1952 in NY. I'd just change it on the page
right now, but it
seems to require more than a simple html tweaking.
I also have an
entry at rootsweb, but it would be really pointless for
anyone to look up
- here's all it says:
Crehan 1906
now MA>
Ought to change
that 1906 too, since someone on list was nice enough to
send me info that
gave an earlier DOB for a great-uncle.
Theresa
Maryembarassed at this laziness
From: Fatarm@aol.comAdd to Address Book Date:
Wed, 18 Nov 1998 10:18:10 EST
Subject:
[CRYAN-L] Re-post: Archive Retrieval
To: CRYAN-L@rootsweb.com
[Re-post:]
For those with an
interest to see what was discussed before they
subscribed,who
have had a computer crash, or just wish to go back and re-live
delightfulO'Crean
postings come some rainy day, please know that there is a
(somewhat)searchable
archive available. It's limited in power
and it didn't
begin untilwe'd
sent maybe 10 or so messages, but you can check it out at the below
hotlink or the
following:
http://www.rootsweb.com/rootsweb/members/archives.html
Yes, our words
have been recorded -- it's a little complicated to
follow alongthe
retrieval instructions, but it can be done.
I was able to pull up
message20, but
nothing under message #10, so the archive must have kicked in
sometimebetween
(it's just as well -- the first few messages were just me and my
brother testing
out the list to make sure it worked).
And since the
Cryanswere the
next people on the list, and they've re-posted in the past
month Ibelieve,
basically all the info previously shared through the list is
accessible. I haven't tried out the search feature -- if
someone does,
pleaselet me know
if you have success or failure.
Theresa -
thanks. I, too, have been saving
messages -- all of them for
thepast month,
when lo and behold I went to retrieve them from the floppy
to findthat the
@8*#%! disk had a faulty directory. Even
Norton disk doctor
told meto save
what I could then reformat the disk (you know that's bad news!)
-- soI'll be doing
major archive retrieval, too. And, from
a veteran member
of thelast minute
club -- good luck on your exams (what's your major?) -- the
Cryanstuff won't
disappear any time soon, it'll wait till break ....
From: Fatarm@aol.comAdd to Address Book Date:
Wed, 18 Nov 1998 10:58:46 EST
Subject:
[CRYAN-L] The Famine Ships by Edward Laxton To:
CRYAN-L@rootsweb.com
This book, about
the Irish Exodus to
everyinstance of
cruel behaviour or death, and perhaps trumping up those
instanceswhere a
landlord or ship was British. But it's a
fast read and gives
plentyof detail
about the voyage across the
There
arecontemporary accounts of shipwrecks, starvation and cruelty on board,
landlordeviction/transportation,
voyages lasting more than two months (a few
overthree months)
and the horror of
ancestorsdidn't come
over to
part ofIrish
history that shouldn't be skipped over.
"The Famine
Ships: The Irish Exodus to
Laxton;Henry Holt
& Co., NY, 1996. Originally publ.
G.B. by
1996.ISBN
0-8050-5313-1.
Date: Wed, 18 Nov 1998 16:21:00 -0500
(EST) From: simone samuel
<amethyst@inch.com>Add to Address Book Subject: Re: [CRYAN-L] Re-post: Archive
Retrieval To: CRYAN-L@rootsweb.com
Thanks for re-posting
that Leslie, I'm sure it wouldn't have taken memuchmore work than it did you to
find it... I am undecided as to major, onlyin my second semester, but thinking
along the lines of history and/orlanguages or linguistics. I guess both of
those could relate to thegenealogy interest, huh. I'm pretty sure there are no
Irish historyclasses at my current school, but I've always found what little
tidbitsI've learned (like on the list) interesting. Trying to learn
thelanguagewas another story. I spent $10 for the Teach Yourself book... a
fewpagesin decided maybe I'd just learn to *read* Irish... a few pages
laterrealized I greatly overestimated my capabilities.. oh well.Theresa Mary,
sticking to nice,
Latinate-phonetic Italian for now
==== CRYAN Mailing
List ====
Surnames being
researched by subscribers:
Craigen/Creighan,
Crawn/Craun,
Crane, Crain-e, Crean, Creen-e, Creagan/Cregan/Creaghan,
Creah
From:
Fatarm@aol.comAdd to Address Book
Date: Wed, 18 Nov 1998
10:18:10 EST
Subject:
[CRYAN-L] Re-post: Archive Retrieval
To: CRYAN-L@rootsweb.com
[Re-post:]
For those with an
interest to see what was discussed before they
subscribed,who
have had a computer crash, or just wish to go back and re-live
delightfulO'Crean
postings come some rainy day, please know that there is a(somewhat)
searchable archive
available. It's limited in power and it
didn't
begin untilwe'd
sent maybe 10 or so messages, but you can check it out at the below
hotlink or the
following:http://www.rootsweb.com/rootsweb/members/archives.html
Yes, our words
have been recorded -- it's a little complicated to
follow alongthe
retrieval instructions, but it can be done.
I was able to pull up
message20, but
nothing under message #10, so the archive must have kicked in
sometimebetween
(it's just as well -- the first few messages were just me and my
brother testing
out the list to make sure it worked).
And since theCryans
were the next
people on the list, and they've re-posted in the pastmonth I
believe, basically
all the info previously shared through the list is
accessible. I haven't tried out the search feature -- if
someone does,
pleaselet me know
if you have success or failure.
- - - - - - - - -
- - - - - -Theresa - thanks. I, too,
have been saving messages -- all of them for
thepast month,
when lo and behold I went to retrieve them from the floppy
to findthat the
@8*#%! disk had a faulty directory. Even
Norton disk doctor
told meto save
what I could then reformat the disk (you know that's bad news!)
-- soI'll be doing
major archive retrieval, too. And, from
a veteran member
of thelast minute
club -- good luck on your exams (what's your major?) -- the
Cryanstuff won't
disappear any time soon, it'll wait till break ....
From: Fatarm@aol.comAdd to Address Book Date:
Thu, 19 Nov 1998 10:50:32 EST
Subject:
[CRYAN-L] Co. Kerry/Dingle
I know we have one
Crean researcher specifically interested in this
location,as well
as two or three others who trace their families back to
Kerry, soI thought
I'd repost this message to our list (in case you don't see it
elsewhere). May it help one of you -- let us all know if
it does!
Leslie - - - - - -
- - - - - - - - - -
Beannachtaí,
(greetings)
I would like to invite
you to my IRISH GENEALOGY web page. Its
especially
forthose searching their Kerry ancestors
with a focus on the Dingle
Peninsula.
Igathered up a lot of General Irish Links and Genealogy Links l that I
found helpful on
my search and provided them on the Links page... Its my
first attempt and
ITS NOT FANCY, but I hope you find it useful!
If this is blue
and underlined click on it:
<A
HREF="http://members.aol.com/waterlilys/index.html">A Dingle,
otherwise this should do the trick:
http://members.aol.com/waterlilys/index.html
Slán go
foille,(Bye for now)
mary in
PS Sorry for the
repetition for those on many Irish Lists... only this
once!
From: Fatarm@aol.comAdd to Address Book Date:
Thu, 19 Nov 1998 12:20:05 EST
Subject:
[CRYAN-L] LDS listings - my
impressions To: CRYAN-L@rootsweb.com
Here's where I'm
at -- I've decided that I am going to post the LDS
listingsto the
list, but by location. I'll make sure to
place the location in
thesubject line so
that we can all avoid locations we're not interested
in. Ofcourse, if you're like me, and have a
family that moves around (my
GGgranddadwas in
the RIC) a bit, then this won't be the best way for you. But
onceyou've seen
the type of info you can email me directly as to what you
want andthe
sorting preferences.The reason I'm going to do it this way is:
1. to just get it
done quickly while I figure out some more permanent
way tooffer the
info;
2. it's an easy
way to break down the info usefully; and,
3. the limitations
of the info.
The main
limitation of the info is that there is no explanation of what
amountof
transcribing was attempted, and it simply could not possibly be all
that isout
there. My general understanding of
parish-held info (such as birth,
christening and
marriage, the info I'm sharing) is that each parishpriest or
diocese decides
whether or not to share with the
Saints(LDS)-- many would have problems in doing so. I don't want to spread
mis-information or
step on any religious toes, but rather than leave this
sentenceunexplained
I will just explain that some people have strong feelings
againstthe Mormon
church or don't like the practice of "conversion" one
group/sect
ofMormons practice (names of people regardless of religion are converted
to theMormon
faith, even after death -- the sect believes this is a way to
helppeople get
into heaven). Cryan researchers will
probably instantly
recognizethat not
all the Roscommon or
whether in reality
the LDS got to everywhere, whether they were denied
access,or only
targeted certain areas.Another limitation is that it is all grouped under the
Crane surname,
as ifvariations of
that surname. It is good news for those
of you who areCreanes
and Cranes -- it
may only be part of the picture for those of you withCraine,
Creaghan and
Croghan variations. The list leaves out
all CreGan types,although CreHeen appears on the list.Lastly, although there
are several pre-19th c. names, I think 1876 is
the mostrecent
date, and it is largely a mid-19th c. list (1820-1866).
As I mentioned
before, I've read opinions that the LDS historians, while
certainly
providing more info quickly than can be easily obtained any
otherway, have
only touched upon maybe 1% of what's actually out there, or of
people who
actually came before the 20th c. Who's
to know? I haven't
readanything by
the LDS Family History Centers (FHC) to say one way or
another,except to
say that they have lots. So, don't be
discouraged if you
don't seea
connection -- this list is a printout as of March 1988, and there may
already be more
available at your local FHC. Or out
there within a
particularparish's
records, or at an
That all said,
here's a little humor to make us better appreciate what
IS available
through the LDS -- enjoy, Leslie.
These questions are from actual correspondence
received by the LDS
Family History
Library: - Our 2nd great-grandfather was found dead crossing the plains in the
library. - He was
married 3 times in the endowment house and has 21 children.
- For running down Wheelers, I will send $3
more.
- He and his daughter are listed as not being
born.
- I would like to find out if I have any
living relatives or dead
relativesor
ancestors in my family.
- Will you send me a list of all the Dripps in
your library?
- My grandfather died at age 3.
- We are sending you 5 children in a separate
envelope.
- Documentation: Family Bible in possession of
Aunt Merle until
tornado hit
- We lost our grandmother. Will you please
send us a copy?
- Will you please send me the name of my first
wife. I have forgotten
her name.
- A 14 year old boy wrote: "I do not want
you to do research for me.
Will
you please send me
all the material on the Welch line in the
- Further research
will be necessary to eliminate one of my parents.
From: Fatarm@aol.comAdd to Address Book Date:
Fri, 20 Nov 1998 10:34:25 EST
Subject:
[CRYAN-L] Timothy Crean
To: CRYAN-L@rootsweb.com
I just received
this thoughtful email -- while I search my files, Ithought
those of you with
a Crean in the tree might like to see it, too:- - - - - - - - - - - - - - - -
I noticed on the
Cork List that you are interested in the Crean name.
In some family
paperwork, I have a TIMOTHY CREAN as a god-parent to one
of mygr-aunts,
Bridget Radley, 1854; it was in Coachford.Coachford is in the areas of
Clonmoyle,
Doneraile. Themarriages were to the surnames: Roberts, Murphy, Barrett and Roche.
Any of these in
you search?Deirdra Condon Sullivan
sullibob@ma.ultranet.com
Searching: CONDON/RADLEY; BALDWIN/O'CALLAGHAN;
O'CALLAGHAN/CONDON;
BARRETT/DESMOND;
NAGLE/DESMOND
From: "Michael Tobin" <tobinmi@hotmail.com>Add
to Address Book
Date:
Fri, 20 Nov 1998 10:51:34 PST Subject: [CRYAN-L] genforum + other sites
To:
CRYAN-L@rootsweb.com
In response to the
posting re useful genealogy sites which we regularly
browse, here are
ones I use :-
www.genforum.com/ireland/
+ some surnames ones on genforum
As someone pointed
out, you email them to get a dedicated forum for a
name and they have
some criteria for deciding whether to create the
forum or not. I'm
not sure if these criteria are related to number of
requests, as I
also have emailed them on at least 3 occasions asking
for a form for the
Cryan name.
http://names.local.ie/cgi-bin/get_name.cgi?name=cryan
Local Ireland
Cryan forum. They also have genealogy forums per county -
see www.local.ie.
You can set it up so that they email you whenever
there is a new
posting to the forum - it will email you the contents of
the posting. Its
not a very active forum however and no longer seems to
be linked from the
main page www.local.ie.
http://cgi.rootsweb.com/~genbbs/genbbs.cgi/Ireland/Sligo
Rootsweb sligo
forum. This seems to be a fairly active forum and the
rest of the Sligo
Web site is interesting. You can subscribe to get
email whenever
there is a new posting, but unfortunately it only emails
you the title of
the posting and the name of the person who posted it -
you have to visit
the site to view the text.
http://www.dejanews.com/
A Web-based
newsgroup reader, where you can browse soc.genealogy.* and
subscribe to them
such that you can log in and view unread postings. I
use it quite a
bit. It used to have a link with the rootsweb GENIRE
mail list such
that posting were cross-posted to each list but that was
discontinued about
a month ago due to a lot of crap being sent around
on the
soc.genealogy.ireland list. Generally however, its a good list and
if you have access
to a Web browser, very easy to use.regardsMichael
______________________________________________________
From: Fatarm@aol.comAdd to Address Book Date:
Fri, 20 Nov 1998 22:33:00 EST
Subject:
[CRYAN-L] Post #1: LDS' listings - Antrim to Clare To:
CRYAN-L@rootsweb.com
The best way to
view these may be to put them in your word processor and
stretch them -- I
get a little carried away on field-ing.
The "-"means afield is blank.
Let me know if you make a connection or find new info!Leslie
- - - - - - - - -
- - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - -
MORMON BIRTH, CHRISTENING AND MARRIAGE INDEX FOR CRANE
AS OF MARCH 1988
Surname First
Event Event Date Father Surname Father First Name Mother
Surname Mother First Name Spouse Surname Spouse First Name County
Town,
Parish
Other/Notes Page No. Line No.
Crain
- 5555
14
Creen Sarah
Birth 02/10/1865 Creen
William Higgins Catherine
-
- Antrim
Belfast, 0244 - 5567
36
Creen Robert
Birth 18/06/1865 Creen
Robert Ward Sarah
-
- Antrim
Belfast,0252 - 5567
22
Creen William John Birth
01/12/1866 Creen Thomas
Montague Susan -
- Antrim
Belfast, 0258 - 5569
20
Creen Mary
Birth 28/01/1864 Creen
William Higgins Catherine
-
- Antrim
Belfast, 0275 - 5562
30
Creen (Baby)
Birth 01/03/1865 Creen
John Coulter Margret -
- Antrim
Belfast,0290 - 5551
6
Crean
- Antrim
Belfast,0334 - 5551
12
Crean Mary
Birth 20/08/1866 Crean
James Kane Mary Ann -
- Antrim
Belfast,0340 - 5563
20
Crang Emma
s ?? (Birth or Christening, most
likely)
03/03/1918 Crang Tindalater Owens
Emma - -
Antrim Belfast,
Ballymacrany -
5556 7
Crane Mary
Marriage 08/05/1684 -
- - -
Dowdall John Antrim Lisburn
- 5561
31
Creen Rose
Birth 09/12/1865 Creen
William O'Hare Bridget -
- Antrim
Whitehouse District, 0397
- 5567 27
Crane Bridget Marriage 13/02/1795 -
- - -
Doran James Carlow
Borris,
Crane Maria
Marriage 30/05/1846 -
- - -
Brown Matthew Cavan Urney
Parish Registrars Office, 0625 5561 11
Crean George
Birth 21/07/1864 Crean
Thomas Emerson Susan -
- Clare
Corrofin,0217 - 5556
8
Crean Joseph
Birth 05/02/1867 Crean
Thomas Emerson Susan -
- Clare
Corrofin,0235 - 5559
29
From: Fatarm@aol.comAdd to Address Book Date:
Fri, 20 Nov 1998 22:36:43 EST
Subject:
[CRYAN-L] Post #2: LDS listing,
To:
CRYAN-L@rootsweb.com
MORMON BIRTH, CHRISTENING AND MARRIAGE INDEX FOR CRANE
AS OF MARCH
1988
Surname First
Event Event Date Father Surname Father First Name Mother
Surname Mother First Name Spouse Surname Spouse First Name County
Town,
Parish
Other/Notes Page No. Line No.
Crain Ellen
Birth c. 1841 Crain James
Forestal Mary -
-
- 5555
Crane Catherine Birth
c. 11/1870 - -
- - -
- Cork -
- 5554
Cran Susanna Christening 02/10/1794 Cran
John - -
-
-
Crean Richard Birth 12/12/1864 Crean
John Bolster
-
Crean Mary
Birth 29/01/1865 Crean
John McDonald
- Cork
ClonmoyleDistrict 0554
5563
Crean John
Birth 13/08/1864 Crean
Timothy Roberts Mary -
-
Crean Catherine Birth
15/10/1866 Crean Timothy Roberts Mary -
- Cork
Clonmoyle District, 0473
- 5554
Crane William Joseph Birth
30/04/1865 Crane John
Murphy Kate -
-
Crean Joseph
Birth 25/03/1865 Crean
Joseph Horgan (Morgan?) Margaret -
-
Crean Jeremiah John Birth
20/11/1867 Crean John
Murphy Kate -
-
Crean Patrick Birth 18/02/1864 Crean
Cornelius Leary
-
Crean Anne
Birth 02/06/1866 Crean
Patrick Fair Anne -
- Cork
0129 -
5551
Crane Timothy Birth 21/02/1864 Crane
Daniel McCarthy Kate
-
-
Crean (Baby)
Birth 07/11/1866 Crean
Thomas Cronin Catherine -
-
Crane Mary Ellen Birth
28/04/1864 Crane Patrick Fair Ann
-
-
Crane Ellen
Birth 28/07/1867 Crane
George Paterson Margaret -
-
Crane Timothy Birth 14/03/1864 Crane
Cornelius Coakley Julia -
-
Crain (Baby)
Birth 31/01/1866 Crain
Robert Finchin Sarah -
-
Craine Cateren Christening 12/04/1646 Craine
Peeter (Peter) - -
-
-
Criane John
Christening 08/11/1646 Criane
John Criane Joane
-
-
Creane Cornelius Marriage 09/12/1810 -