From: RuthK3834@aol

From: RuthK3834@aol.comAdd to Address Book Date: Thu, 22 Oct 1998 22:37:49 EDT Subject:

[CRYAN-L] For Theresa Mary To: CRYAN-L@rootsweb.com

One of the surnames I am researching is Cregan. Some of my Cregan'slived inBrooklyn, NY. Catherine was the name of my great-grandmother. She had4children that I know of. Patrick, Nellie, Michael, and Catherine. Thespelling means little as so many were changed when the people emigrated.Perhaps there is a connection.

Ruth in Florida

From: Fatarm@aol.comAdd to Address Book Date: Fri, 23 Oct 1998 00:10:38 EDT Subject: [CRYAN-L] Mostly chatty, but information tucked inbetween To: CRYAN-L@rootsweb.com

First, before I blather as usual, welcome please #33 and #34, a Craneand anI'm-in-the-dark-as-much-as-everybody-else. I think I've got anotherCrehaninterested to join in shortly, too. We look forward to hearing from younewbies.Theresa Mary, I LOVED your email. Did you guys [this is the genderneutral"guys"] realize that there are now 5 Crehan researchers on the listwith a 6thto soon join, I believe? Maybe it's time you all reposted your researchlines. I'm really interested by this Crehan/Crean changeover, too.When looking over the Crehan info today, I realized I've been spacingaboutDSchaub1's home county being Tipperary. For over a week now, theresearcherresponsible for the below webpages has been posting like crazy all overrootsweb's Irish mailing lists, and I promptly kept ignoring it becauseIdidn't think any of us got to Tipperary ... I'm trying hard here not tomakethe obvious bad joke. At any rate, here's the site I've been

withholding fromyou, so if you haven't yet seen it, look around. No Crehans/Cranes,but youmight want to get in touch with the researcher:http://www.standard.net.au/~jwilliams/data.htm

Lastly, Kathleen, you were the one originally interested in Tom CreantheAntarctic explorer, right? Have you read anything particularly goodabout himor his adventures? My reading list is already too long, but I have toadmitthat the radio program description has whetted my curiosity. --Leslie

Date: Tue, 27 Oct 1998 10:29:24 -0600 (CST)

From: Kathleen A Craine <K-Craine@neiu.edu>Add to Address Book Subject: Re: [CRYAN-L] "A Famous Doctor of the Last Century" and admin. items To:

CRYAN-L@rootsweb.com

On Mon, 26 Oct 1998 Fatarm@aol.com wrote:

> And I would like a little advice: I know I have cousins, first namesall

> unknown, living in NJ and NY, USA. I pulled a list of addresses off

the> internet for Cryans in the NYC area and am contemplating apre-holiday season

> mailing to these poor unsuspecting folks to see if I can get aresponse with a

> connection. Has anyone else done a blind mailing like this? Haveyou had any

> luck or response with such a course of action? I'd be interested toknow. --

> Leslie

Leslie:

I've tried this using emails addresses for another surname in my tree,

andI got about a 30-40% response, none of which were matches. At least I

wasable to eliminate some people as being related. Everyone who responded

was very courteous--I suppose the people offended just didn't answer.

Kathy

From: Fatarm@aol.comAdd to Address Book

Date: Wed, 28 Oct 1998 00:00:52 EST

Subject: [CRYAN-L] Admin and Description of Places associated with

O'Crean family, part 1 To: CRYAN-L@rootsweb.com

Admin and Description of Places associated with O'Crean family, part 1

________________________

First a little admin: we lost one subscriber who just recently joined

butnever posted his research, unfortunately, but better news follows -- we

gainedanother Crean researcher who will soon hopefully post the details of her

research.I'm presently spending most of my time data-entering a Births,

Christenings,and Marriages index Caoimhghin kindly sent on. I'm not quite halfway

yet, andit's humongous. Interestingly enough, it doesn't list any Creg- or

Creag- orCro- forms of the O'Creans, yet happily includes Cranes, Crains and

some rarerforms of O'Crean (such as Crine). I'm not sure how I'm going to get

the infoto you all -- but of course I have to finish getting it computerized

before Ican even think of sending the info round. And don't worry, I won't

send somemammoth file through the list which rootsweb is likely to bounce

anyways.Maybe I'll just do matching locations, surnames or first names on what

folkshave posted. Of course, if anyone actually wants it all, I'm happy to

arrangesome way of sharing (it's Caoimhghin's research, he gets the credits).

Also, as seems the way of late, the following is due to Caoimhghin:

_________________

[Excerpts from "Rentals of the Estates of Landed Proprietors of the

County Sligo in the Years 1633-6", p. 150-151]

The following lands were held by the O'Crean Family:

[Barony of Carbury, Parish of Ahamlish; Parish of St. John's; Parish of

Calry;Parish of Killaspugbrone; Barony of Tirerrill, Parish of Kilmacallan;

andParish of Killadoon -- I'm only doing the first two tonight.]

Barony of Carbury, Parish of Ahamlish: Carownogransy; The inheritance

ofAndrew O'Crean, who took it in mortdgage from my Lo. of Corke, hee lets

it toundertenatns for 10 pounds per annum; it is good arrable lande, there

is anold castle built uppon it, it hath good turffe, 4 dayes mowing, it will

grase50 cowes, and it is worth 12 pounds per annum.

Parish of St. John's: Aghamore, 1 qr.; set for 15 pounds per annum; it

isgood arrable land a part, it hath a great scope of mounteyne and

fir-wood, andgood turffe, 3 days mowing; it now grases 100 cowes and it is worth 16

poundsper annum. *Ballenogarn*, 4 qrs. The inheritance of Andrew O'Crean

and HenryOge O'Crean, who setts them to undertenants for 18 pounds a quar. Of

these 4qrs. they have good shelter and good turffe, it will grase 400 cowes

and itis worth 72 pounds per annum. *Lecarownocalry*, 1/2 qr.

From: "jmitchell" <jmitchell@ameritech.net>Add to Address Book

Date: Wed, 28 Oct 1998 12:58:02 -0500 Subject: [CRYAN-L] Craigen/Cregan/Creighan from Limerick To: CRYAN-L@rootsweb.com

Hello Leslie Poche & All,

Thank you for your referral to this list. I've been focusing on my othersurnames because I'd found the Irish ones so difficult to trace eventhoughI'm over 75% Irish! The discovery of a Cryan/Cregan list gives merenewedhope. I know very little about my Cregan lineage;

Patrick CRAIGEN (the anglicized spelling, yet I've found recordspertaining

to him or his family with the spellings - CREGAN & CREIGHAN) was born

about1808 according to the 1871 Lennox & Addington Co., Ontario, CAN Census.

Patrick married Ellen O'NEILL born about 1805 (1871 Census). Theymarriedby 1844 based on the approximate date of birth of their 1st child,Bridgett. Oral tradition reveals that Ellen lived at the mouth of theShannon River in County Limerick. Both Patrick & Ellen are believed tohaveoriginated in Glin, County Limerick & married there or nearby. Ellen was

married once before Patrick to Thomas CULHANE also of Glin. Ellen &

Thomashad 1 son & 2 daughters, names unknown. Their son settled in Oregon.

Patrick emigrated through NY & onto Ontario, Canada about 1845. Ellenfollowed about 2 years later. Patrick & Ellen lived for a while inLennox &Addington Co., Ontario. Patrick died about 4-4-1906 in Ft. Francis,RainyRiver District, Ontario, CAN.

Denis CRAIGEN (Cregan, Creighan), the only other known child besidesBridgett of Patrick & Ellen, was born May 1845 in Ireland, probablyCountyLimerick. He married Mary Ellen KENNELLY born about 1848 (1871 Census)inCounty Kerry. Denis & Mary Ellen married on 1-26-1869 in ErinsvilleParish,Lennox & Addington Co., Ont., Canada. Mary Ellen was the daughter ofJeremiah KENNELLY & Ellen MULVIHILL.

Denis & Mary Ellen had 7 children & they finally settled in Stratton,Morley Twp., Rainy River Dst., Ontario, CAN where they died in 1924 &1921respectively.I have some additional data & ideas but I don't want to make a novelout ofmy first post!

Thank you,Jojmitchell@stones.com jmitchell@ameritech.net

From: Fatarm@aol.comAdd to Address Book Date: Thu, 29 Oct 1998 00:00:20 EST Subject: [CRYAN-L] Crohane and Co. Kerry To: CRYAN-L@rootsweb.com

Hi, gang. I caught an interesting post on a general search for asurname, andone of the individuals had married a "Crohane Daly". I wrote to thepost-er to ask about the use of the Christian name and its origins, if he knew. Hewrote back the following and is allowing me to post it to this list:

"From what I know Crohane was a very popular christian name on the

Iveragh Peninsula (aka ring of kerry) around Cahirdaniel/Castle

Cove/Derrynane area, which are all in the civil parish of Kilcrohane.

The popularity of the name may be attributed to the fact that Saint

Crohane is the patron saint of the parish. The good saint hewed his

hermitage out of solid rock in nearby Coad and to this day Mass is

celebrated on Crohane's day, at this site. This year's Mass was

celebrated on a beautiful sunny day at the end of July and was well

attended by the locals as well as the bishop and his staff.

There is also a Kilcrohane civil parish in Cork, 14 miles sw of Bantry.

Besides Kate's husband, I know of three other with the christian name of

Crohane.

MacLysaght's "The Surnames of Ireland"

does not list any Crohane or Killcrohane or anything remotely resemblingsame.

Richard J. Gleason"

[this is not quite correct re: MacLysaght, as those of you who read theposting on MacCroghan etc. know, but it's not right to look a gifthorse inthe mouth, or however that saying goes ....]

From: Julie_Case@prodigy.com (MS JULIA M CASE)Add to Address

Book Date: Wed, 28 Oct 1998 21:09:17, -0500

Subject: RootsWeb Review, Vol. 1, No. 20 To: RootsWeb-Review@rootsweb.com

ROOTSWEB REVIEW: Genealogical Data Cooperative News

Vol. 1, No. 20, 28 October 1998; Circulation: 224,200+

Out of sheer genealogical frustration, some of it centered around

the non-indexed Morrow County, Ohio 1850 census, I took this

county on and am more than three-fourths finished with it. Today,

while tearing along, I got into that meditative census-

transcription state, and suddenly solved one of my thorniest

problems. How? I noticed that four women in one township were of

a similar age, had hauntingly familiar first names, and all came

from New Hampshire. One of them was the woman whose parents I

sought. The other three, incredibly, all married men named

GRANDY. I went to the International Genealogical Index (IGI) and

found that many GRANDYs were married to BROCKWAYs. I remembered I

had seen Brockways buried near my mystery woman's daughter. And

bingo! With confirmation from the Brockway mailing list at

RootsWeb, I have her parents and, since her dad was a

Revolutionary War soldier, got generations back to the 1600s. I

would not have figured this out without the slow trudging that

the transcriptions require.

It occurred to me that having the census in database form is very

powerful. Have you realized you could easily, by importing your

.dbf into another program, hunt for everybody named Joseph who is

between 12 and 15 years of age? Or everybody from Ireland whose

first name is John? This would be a way to catch some of your

misspelled and lost relatives, and another reason to transcribe

the census.

Jane Peppler <jpeppler@acpub.duke.edu>

[Jane Peppler is a USGenWeb Archives Census Project volunteer.

The foregoing is an abbreviated version of a message Jane posted

on the CENS-CART-L@rootsweb.com mailing list. Thanks to Kay Mason

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From: Fatarm@aol.comAdd to Address Book

Date: Thu, 29 Oct 1998 00:23:22 EST

Subject: [CRYAN-L] Lands held by the O'Crean Family, Part 2

To: CRYAN-L@rootsweb.com

(Last of this source -- some of you may recognize the place names,

others maynot be able to link to these places)

- - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - -

Parish of Calry - *Cartronnogrogagh*, [footnote: In the parish of

Ahamlishthere is a townland named Grogagh] 1/4; sett to undertenants for 5

pounds perannum, and all countrey chardges ... and is worth 7 pounds 11 shillings

perannum. Lecarownotullagha, 1/2 qr.; worth 9 pounds per annum.

Clogherbeg, 1qr.; ... It is some rockey grounde, it hath good shelter, and good

tuffe, 6dayes mowinge, it will grase 100 cowes, and is worth 20 pounds per

annum.Cloghermore, 1 qr.; ... set to undertenants for 17 pounds per annum and

country chardges, with 4 barrells of malt, 8 fatt muttons, 12 medders of

butter, 24 medders of meale, the third parte to be wheat, a chosher at

Christmas. It is some parte rockey ground, it hath good shelter, and

goodturffe, 5 dayes mowinge, it will grase 100 cowes, and is worth 20

pounds perannum. *Colgoder* [Probably Colgagh], 1/2 qr.; worth 10 pounds 4

shillingsper annum. Kineltin, 1 qr.; it is worth 20 pounds per annum.

Carignogroagh,1/4 qr.; worth 6 pounds 10 shillings per annum. *Lecarowclunestallan*,

1/2qr.; Annagh (now Hazlewood), 1 qr.; *Killbride*, 1 qr.; These 3 qrs.

and 1/2(?) is the inheritance of Andrew O'Crean, Esq., whoe setts them to

undertenants for 40 pounds per annum and 10 barrells of malt, 10

muttons, 100workmen, 20 medders of butter, 40 medders of meale; it is some part good

arrable land, hath good turffe and shelter and heathy grounde, it will

grase200 cowes, and it is worth 49 pounds 13 shillings per annum.

*Lissacopan* and*Carrownoughter*, 5 cartrons; ... set to undertenants for 21 pounds per

annum... it is good arrable land, it hath good turffe, 5 days mowinge, it

willgrase 120 cowes and it is worth 25 pounds per annum. Srabraghan [now

writtenRathbraghan], 1 qr.; Saununighteragh, 1 qr.; sett to undertenants for 32

pounds per annum. It is all good arrable land, uppon the qr. of

Shrabraghanther is a good English mill, one of the best in the country: for duties

hegetts in these 2 qrs. 8 barrells of malt, 16 medders of butter, 32

medders ofmeale, 8 fatt muttons, 40 workmen. It hath good turffe, 12 days mowing

ofgood low meddow, it will grase 120 cowes and is worth 38 pounds per

annum.

Parish of Killaspugbrone. - Gransagh, 4 qrs.; John O'Crean ... bought

it fromSr. Robert Kinge, Knt.; it is all good arrable land, and some heathy

ground,it hath good turffe and meaddowes; the said John getts in these 4 qrs.

the somof 16 barrells of malt, 16 fatt muttons, 16 medders of butter, 64

medders ofmeale, 8 workmen; it will grase 400 cowes, and it is worth 100 pounds

perannum.

Barony of Tirerrill, Parish of Kilmacallan - Arkneskin, 1 qr.; ... it

is aspongey ground and great store of heath ... it hath a weare of Eeles

upponUnshinagh.

Parish of Killadoon - Moore, 1/2 qr. (now Ballindoon); ... it hath good

turffeand (a) good spring with a mill uppon it ... and is worth 7 pounds per

annumby reason of the burialls in the Abbey and the benefitt of the mill.

Reply-To: "Family History" < >

From: "Family History" < >Add to Address Book

Date: Thu, 29 Oct 1998 13:47:51 -0000

Subject: [CRYAN-L] BOYLE - Part 2 To: CRYAN-L@rootsweb.com

Extract from the Parliamentary Gazeteer for 1842-4

Boyle Town Public Buildings

The old bridge of Boyle, situated nearly in the middle of the town,consistsof 5 rather low arches; and has , on its upper side , within a strongcageof palisade work, and on a low pedestal, a statue of William III . Thenewbridge, situated 500 yards lower down, between the barrack and theabbey,consists of a single arch. The new sessions-house stands on the slopeof thehill, fronting the street which runs from the southend of the oldbridge,

and was built at an estimated expense of £800 to the county, aided by£500

and a free site from Lord Lorton. The old session-house , a decayededificein the street or road which passes the barrack, serves for the uses oftheSavings'-bank, the Charitable Loan office, the infants-schools, andpublicmeetings for charitable and religious purposes. the bridewell (jail) isattached to the new sessions-house, and was built at an estimated

expense of£1039 17s 19d.; it contains 2 day-rooms, 8 cells, and 2 yards; but is

keptin an irregular and filthy state, and has a pressing need for reform.The

barrack was originally the residence of the Earl of Kingston. Theparishchurch,(CoI) , situated somewhat on the crest of the hill on the northsideof the town, and on the old road to Sligo, is a capacious building, ingoodorder, but exhibits little archetectural taste. The Roman CatholicChapel isvery plain, though large structure.

The Abbey:

The ruins of Boyle Abbey are situated in an enclosure about 100 yardsnorth-north-west of the new bridge, and almost close to the new road toSligo. The best view of them from ithout the enclosure , is obtainednearthe entrance-gate of the house of Lord Lorton's agent, and is thusdescribedby Mr Weld: "The part seen here consists entirely of the church andsteeple,

the latter rising in the centre, the north transept extending to theleft,and the nave of the church to the right, under an angular point ofview. Nospacious or ornamented windows are observable, neither is thereintricacy orvariety in the parts; but the general effect of the ruins is solemn andimposing, and the lofty vaults of the circular arches in three of thesidesof the steeple soaring above the tops of the adjacent trees ,communicateand air of grandeur to the edifice, which otherwise it might not beconsidered to possess. The steeple is a square tower of about 25feetin theinterior, rudely built in the upper parts andterminating abruptly.An abundance of ivy fringes the summit of the walls; and, although thetreeswhich shade the ruin are neither very large nor old, yet they aredisposedin a manner which contributes essentially to the embellishment of thescene."The views within the enclosure are of an altogether different characterfromthat on the outside, and possess in the aggregate a large degree of

interest; but they comprise too many details to be of succinct notice.The Church is cruciform, and measures from east to west 131 feet, with abreadth of 25, and from north to south, or along the transepts,50 feet,witha breadth of 22. the western window was a single, small lancet-shapedopening, with carvings,now much worn on the exterior; and the eastern

windowconsists of three lancet-shaped compartments, theone of which waslarger than the others.In the north side of the nave is the burying-vault of the King family,enclosed by a railing.The abbey , though a fine building , never possessed some features ofarchitectural excellence ascribed to it by Archdall and the editor ofGrose,and differs sowidely from the account of it given by these writers as torender their descriptions mere fancy-writing or caricature.It belonged to the Cistertian order of St Bernard. Peter Mordha, itsfirst

abbot, and reputedly a man of great learning, was promoted to the see ofClonfert, and in 1171, was drowned in the Shannon. Yet theestablishment, asit existed under him, was founded in 1148, at a place calledGrollechdina;and, as Boyle Abbey, it was founded in 1161 by his successor, as anoffset,or daughter of the abbey of Mellifont. So at least says the HiberniaDominicana; which, however is not much to be trusted, and which treats

us toa long detail of annals, containing hardly a line worth quoting.In 1603, the abbey, with some of its largest estates, was granted to SirJohn King, the ancestor of the Earl of Kingston and Lord Lorton.

End of Part 2 , to come - Poor Law Union etc, Trade, Municipal Affairs,

Statistics.

I do hope that all this typing is worth it and someone is receivingthis. Itis a little like casting a bottle with a message into the ocean andhoping!!!!!!Please do react - is it boring , useful ,interesting, irrelevant, a sideissue, or even, as I find it , quite fascinating to hear a contemporaryaccount ???This is now too long for one posting, Cherio for now, Eve

From: Crogmos@aol.comAdd to Address Book

Date: Thu, 29 Oct 1998 10:53:46 EST Subject: [CRYAN-L] Croghan references 1851 census ( Norfolk, Devon and Warwickshire ) To: CRYAN-L@rootsweb.com

I have just acquired this census on CD rom and carried out a search forCrighans and related names, here is what I found :-

Mary Anne Crogham, age 15 ,nursery maid in the household of the Earl of

Leicester, Holkham Norfolk.born Shobdon, Hereford.

Thomas Crogan, Head, M, age 40 Pensioner from the army, born Ireland

Margret Rose Crogan, Wife age20, Born Ireland.

Elizabeth Crogan, daughter, age 1, Born Birmingham Warks.

Living at 1court, 7 house Cheapside, St. Martin Birmingham.

Luke Crogan lodger, age35. agricultural labourer, born Ireland. Living

atCourt17 No 2Great Hampton Street, Birmingham.

Edward Crohen Head, age52, Labourer, Born Ireland

Catherine Crohen wife Age46 , born Ireland

Patt Crohen, son age14, Metal roller, born Ireland

Mary Crohen daughter, age12, Pearl button maker, born Ireland

Edward Crohen son ,age 9, Pearl button maker. born Ireland

All living at No 4 house No 31 Court, Livery Street, Birmingham

Phillippa Crogan Head Married, age36 born Grampound Cornwall

Edwin Crogan son, age9, scholar, born Devonport, Devon.

Ann M. Crogan daughter, age 7 Scholar, born Devonport Devon.

Perhaps this information could be useful, I have the folio numbers if

needed.Best wishes Pat Moseley

From: "Cook, Jonathan A (HUK)" <cookja3@texaco.com>Add to Address

Book Date: Thu, 29 Oct 1998 10:59:34 -0600

Subject: [CRYAN-L] CRYAN IN CO. SLIGO To: CRYAN-L@rootsweb.com

INFORMATION HELD BY MYSELF:

PARISH OF TOOMOUR (KEASH), CO. SLIGO

TAKEN FROM 1901 CENCUS

TOWNLAND HEAD OF HOUSEHOLD FIRST

Broher 1. John Cryan age 24

Bridget Cryan age 21 sister

2. Patrick Cryan age 65

Mary Cryan age 12 daughter

3. Michael Cryan age 45

Kate Cryan age 44 wife

Mary Anne age 7 daughter

4. Margaret Cryan age 74

James Cryan age 31 son

Michael Cryan age 30 son

Ann Cryan age 28 daughter

5. James Cryan age 84

Agatha Cryan age 67 wife

Andrew Cryan age 36 son

Dernaskeagh 1. Honour Cryan age 80

Margaret Cryan age 70

Cletty 1. Thomas Cryan age 60

Mary Cryan age 50 wife

Carrowcrory 1. John Cryan age 45

Ann Cryan (Taheny) age 48

(Married 1872)

2. Bridget Cryan age 70

Mathew Cryan age 39 son

Mary Cryan age 30 daughter

3. Michael Cryan age 80 (died1905)

Catherine Cryan age 70

John (Big) age 45 (was Justice of the Peace)

Winifred Cryan age 27

4. Patrick Cryan age 70

5. Mary Cryan age 85 mother

John Cryan age 62 son

Bridget Cryan age 56daughter-in-law (single name also Cryan)

Pat Cryan age 21grandchild

Mary Cryan age 16 granchild

6. Mary Cryan age 65

Michael Cryan age 28 son

Derrygolagh 1. Patrick Cryan age 63

Mary Cryan age 53 wife

Bridget Cryan age 22 daughter

Pat Cryan age 19 son

Thomas Cryan age 17 son

2. Ceceila Cryan age 69

Bridget Cryan age 42 daughter

Norra Cryan age 26 daughter

3. Martin Cryan age 85 (Weaver)

4. Patrick (Strong) Cryan age 75

John Cryan age 35 son

James Cryan age 30

Elenor Cryan age 25

5. Mathew Cryan age 70

Catherine Crayn (McDonnagh) age60 wife

Mathew Cryan age 30 son

Kate Cryan age 26 daughter

6. Patrick (Gildea) Cryan age 66

Annie Cryan (O'Connor) age 55wife

John Cryan age 27 son

James Cryan age 23 son

Rodger Cryan age 20 son

Jane Cryan age 14 daughter

Anne Cryan age 12 daughter

Tully 1. Patrick Cryan age 23

Michael Cryan age 19 brother

(died 21/6/1940 Sligo MentalHospital)

Daniel Cryan age 15 brother

Joseph Cryan age 12 brother

Jane Cryan age 22 sister

Elizabeth Cryan age 17 sister

N.B. All above are children of

Pat Cryan and Ann Kielty of Knockbrack

2. Michael Cryan age 44

Margaret Cryan age 30 wife

Dan Cryan age 2 son

Margaret Cryan age 5 daughter

Beezy Cryan age 40 sister

Tonaonra 1. John Cryan age 56

Mary Cryan age 50 wife

John Cryan age 25 son -died 31/8/1938

Mary Anne Cryan age 22 daughter

Henry Cryan age 15 son

Delia Cryan age 13 daughter

Norra Cryan age 4

Carrowreagh 1. Martin Cryan age 47

Mathew Cryan age 13 son

Thomas Cryan age 11 son

Bridget Cryan age 4 daughter

Mary Cryan age 9 daughter

Martin Cryan age 2 son

Maggie Cryan age 32 wife

PARISH OF DRUMRAT

TAKEN FROM 1901 CENCUS

TOWNLAND HEAD OF HOUSEHOLD FIRST

Killsalagh 1. Thomas Cryanage 54

(ParentsPat Cryan & Mary Killgran)

MargaretCryan (McGlynn) age 50 wife

JamesCryan age 27 son

MaryCryan age 20 daughter

PatrickCryan age 13 son

2. MaryCryan (Cook) age 65

Listrush 1. Catherine Cryanage 40

(Wife ofJohn Mullowney)

2. BridgetCryan age 80

Clooncaltry 1. Patrick Cryan age 50

Catherine Cryan (Callaghais) age 50 wife

MaryAnne Cryan age 17 daughter

KateCryan age 15 daughter

PatCryan age 13 son

JohnCryan age 11 son

AnnHiggins age 60 ?

Daughloonagh 1. James Cryanage 35

MaryCryan (Breheny) age 35 wife

BridgetCryan age 12 daughter

KateCryan age 11 daughter

JohnCryan age 10 son

Knockbrack 1. Pat Cryanage 52

(ParentsDaniel Cryan & Mary Breheny of Tully)

AnnCryan age 50 wife

JohnCryan age 15 son

Patrick Cryans

From: "Cook, Jonathan A (HUK)" <cookja3@texaco.com>Add to Address

Book Date: Thu, 29 Oct 1998 11:01:51 -0600 Subject:

[CRYAN-L] RECORDS HELD BY MYSELF To: CRYAN-L@rootsweb.com

RECORDS HELD BY MYSELF

Deaths in Ireland for Cryan's 1864-1901

Marriages in Ireland for Cryan's 1864-1901

Tithe Applotment Records for the Parishes of Drumrat, Toomore, Killfree,

Kilcolman for Cryan's.

Cencus of 1911 for Cryan's in Carrowcrory, Broher, Derrygolagh, Tully

Griffith's Valuation of Ireland for Cryan's in Co. Sligo

Reference my own family they emigrated to Glasgow and did not return.

I obtained their original home County from the 1881 Cencus returns of

Glasgow.

The "s" was put on our name in error by a Belgium Priest in Glasgow.

Judge is the English equivalent of Breheny which some of the Irish used,

and this is where the Owen came in, I believe.

Regarding the Deaths of Pat Cryan you sent:

1892 Culfadda, Drumrat - Sligo

1883 Broher, Keash - Sligo

1891 Ardmoyle, Ballinameen - Roscommon

Patrick Cryans

From: "Cook, Jonathan A (HUK)" <cookja3@texaco.com>Add to Address

Book Date: Thu, 29 Oct 1998 11:04:13 -0600

Subject: [CRYAN-L] DANIEL CRYAN/MARGARET McDONNAGH

To: CRYAN-L@rootsweb.com

Information held by myself:

Two of his sons resided in Glasgow, Scotland last century. From my

records the following are selected:

* JOHN CRYAN

b.1835 approx

m.1859 Glasgow (Paisley)

d.1877 Glasgow

Wife Mary Christie

Children - Mary Cryan 1860 15 June

Margaret Cryan 1862 5 March

Daniel Cryan 1863 12 December

Patrick Cryan 1866 17 March

Henry Cryan 1868 25 March

John Cryan 1870 25 April

Catherine Cryan 1872 27 August

* BROTHER - MARTIN

b. 4 August 1823

Wife Mary Leonard

Children - John Cryan 1853

Michael Cryan 1856

Martin Cryan 1861

Mary Cryan 1864

Martin and his family left Glasgow for Dakota in 1874

NOTE: Daniel Cryan of Tully was married to Mary Breheny

Patrick Cryans

From: "Cook, Jonathan A (HUK)" <cookja3@texaco.com>Add to Address

Book Date: Thu, 29 Oct 1998 11:06:00 -0600

Subject: [CRYAN-L] 1885 landholders of viscount Lorton

To: CRYAN-L@rootsweb.com

1885 LAND HOLDERS OF VISCOUNT LORTON

CARROWCRORY Daniel Cryan

Pat "

Michael "

Mary "

Bridget "

Michael "

John "

BROHER Thomas "

Pat "

Mary "

James "

P. "

J. "

DERRYGOLAGH Martin "

James "

Pat "

Mathew "

TULLY Pat "

Daniel "

TONAPONRA Mathew "

TUMORE P Cryne

Patrick Cryans

From: "Cook, Jonathan A (HUK)" <cookja3@texaco.com>Add to Address

Book Date: Thu, 29 Oct 1998 11:20:13 -0600

Subject: [CRYAN-L] INFO REGARDING CRYANS OF

TONAPONRA

To: CRYAN-L@rootsweb.com

Regarding the Cryan's of Tonoponra they don't appear on the Tithe

Applotment records 1830/34 so they must have moved between then and 1858

(Griffith's Valuation) from the Keash area.

1901 Cencus extract for the above:

John Cryan Head Age 56 Died 20/9/1928

Mary Cryan (O'Neill) Wife Age 50 Died 28/9/1912

John Cryan Son Age 25 Died 31/8/1938

Mary Anne Cryan Daughter Age 22 Died 5/9/1937

Henry Cryan Son Age 15

Delia Cryan Daughter Age 13

Nora Cryan Daughter Age 4

Other sources for Tonoponra:

Martin Cryan Died 3/12/1921 age 38

Stephen Cryan Died 5/5/1987 age 69

* I believe one of the following could be his father

Mathew Cryan b.1811 died 1891 age 80

Mathew Cryan b. 1818 died 1898 age 80

Church of Bonninadan Tobercurry:

Marriage 10th May 1874

John Cryan Age 27 Origin Knopora Parents Mathew

Mary O'Neill Age 21 Origin Dacloon Parents Arthur

Patrick Cryans

From: ljstandak@webtv.net (Lyle Staehnke)Add to Address Book

Date: Thu, 29 Oct 1998 15:15:32 -0800 (PST)

Subject: [CRYAN-L] RE:Danial Cryan wife Margaret McDonagh

To: CRYAN-L@rootsweb.com

Jonathan Cook,, What a gold mine of information you shared with us..Ithank you very much,you evidently have done a lot of research,I don`tknow if you read my web page or not (http://members.tripod.com/~havana_2/index.html ) but I also mention Johnand Martin Cryan of Glasgow Scotland.. Their Dad Danial is my GreatGrandfather.. And I`m still in the process of trying to find out exactlywhere they lived in Ireland and what year they left..They settled inMorrisburgh Canada (Ontario) that is they were in the 1850 census there

also 1861,1871 then in 1881 a little North of there in Osnabruck..Ihaven`t been able to find a date of death for Danial either orlocation...If you run across any more info on them,I would be veryinterested... Thanks again Lyle

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Date: Fri, 30 Oct 1998 09:56:14 -0000

Subject: [CRYAN-L] New Info on Keash

To: CRYAN-L@rootsweb.com

Hi Patrick,

Thank you so much for all the information that you sent yesterday. Itlooksto be priceless treasure and will serve well for linking all the familygroups. You must have been researching for a long time and have somegoodcontacts for advice. I am so eager to get at the parish records, whichwillgive the generation before the ones listed or at least the births of

thoseaged about 60 and their parents. to quote/ misquote: - "one small step for history but one giant leapforcryankind"Thank you , Eve

From: Fatarm@aol.comAdd to Address Book Date:

Fri, 30 Oct 1998 12:26:40 EST To: caoimhghin@yahoo.com

Subject: Mormon printout

That's okay -- I was hoping I didn't have to put in the rest of thedates, andas I can't see any point, I'll skip it. I'm becoming wayyyyy behind,especially with the flurry of postings of late. But I suppose it wouldbe abad idea to ask folks to slow down, huh? ;)Michael Tobin wrote to me that he got involved with researching hisCryan lineafter the death of his father, too. It's interesting how death seemsto causea lot of us to seek a connection with our past. I've learned so muchwhiledoing this research I'm half angry at myself for not having begun

sooner.Both my grandfathers died young and suddenly before I was born -- I was

about30 years old when I first saw a photo of the one and asked who he was.

Myfamily tends not to talk of painful things, but as a result, I don'tknow

either of my genetic grandfathers at all.Between learning of my grandfathers as I interview family members,learningwhat it means to be an IRISH RC (I think most Irish would laugh at meif theysaw me calling myself that-I grew up in a Jewish neighborhood andidentified

myself as Irish RC to avoid being yelled at for not knowing yiddish andplaying outside on Saturdays), and learning about my husband'sprotestantroots, I think I'm learning who I am more than learning about myancestorssometimes. Not a bad idea for a descendant of the Cryan, Murphy,Kiernan,Kennedy, and Smyth families, huh?

By the way, since you're an expert, is it *wrong* to refer to the Irishlanguage as gaelic? I got reemed-out a bit by that Crohane Daly guy formaking a reference to gaelic. He didn't take to me in general, andbasicallytold me I was clueless if MacLysaght didn't clear up the confusion inoursurname. Just thought I'd try and get my language a little moreprecise ....

Leslie

From: Fatarm@aol.comAdd to Address Book

Date: Fri, 30 Oct 1998 13:06:17 EST Subject: [CRYAN-L] Locations being researched, admin, and Digest mode To: CRYAN-L@rootsweb.com

A new joinee, and experienced researcher and mailing list administrator,suggested I update the taglines with some of the locations we areresearchingin Ireland. While I think I managed to squeeze most of the Irelandlocationsinto one tagline (size is limited to three lines, 72 columns), I begantorealize that I don't have locations for everyone's ancestors. I placed

allthe North Americans in another group, and the elsewhere in the worldfolks inyet another.

For those of you with Welsh, Scottish, and Australian locations,couldyou be more specific about where? And although I noted "Roscommon" forseveral researchers, I didn't note townlands or parishes for most ofyou, soplease resend. I'll try and put together a better list to post here sothatwe can skip the taglines (they're small and a pain to update

constantly).And, in case it isn't clear, taglines are those messages at the end of

postings. Please also keep an eye out for the surname listing tagline -- ifI'vemissed your spelling on a surname, please let me know. This is onethat isimportant to keep updated!

I've really enjoyed the listings on Boyle and Sligo over the pastweek.I really enjoy reading "original" sources such as the description onBoyle,Eve, so don't hesitate to post such things. It's a nice break fromnames anddates. Not that anything's wrong with names and dates .... the Sligolistingsare more than welcome!! Thanks for sharing so much data, Patrick. Andnowthat I've read your explanation of the CryanS, I'm thrilled that you

sharedthe story of how the S got appended to your ancestor's surname (I'llupdate

the surname tagline soon). Please welcome subscribers #37 and #38. However, about 10 folkshave yetto post their research line, interests or stuck-at points. And, for those of you concerned about the explosion in ourmailboxes oflate, there is another way to receive the mailing list -- as bundles ofemail,called digests or digest mode. Instead of receiving individual emails,several are bound together based on size and time. For example, let's

say twoemails get sent one day to the list that are each 8K -- they'd arrivein yourmailbox as one piece of mail. If, however, only one piece of mail getssentduring a three day period, you get it at the end of that periodregardless ofthe size of the emails accumulated. Some folks find it a moreconvenient wayto receive talkative lists. They are labeled as volumes (we're in vol.98because of the year), and the messages are numbered as well as subject

line'd. To change to digest mode, subscribe to Cryan-D: send email to"Cryan-D-

request@rootsweb.com" with the sole word "subscribe" in the messagebody (allwithout quotes). Once you have received your subscription confirmationfromthe rootsweb server, then unsubscribe from Cryan-L: send email to"Cryan-L-request@rootsweb.com" with the sole word "unsubscribe" in the messagebody(again, all without quotes). Or, of course, you can just email me andask meto do it ... ugh, manually ... not to influence your choice or anything ;)

--Leslie

From: RuthK3834@aol.comAdd to Address Book Date: Fri, 30 Oct 1998 13:18:52 EST Subject: [CRYAN-L] Relisting for the Newbies To

CRYAN-L@rootsweb.com

Hi all,My name is Ruth and I am researching both Cregan and Regan. Catherine Cregan born about 1843 in Ireland. Died in NYC in 1917She had four children: Patrick born in Limerick in 1862. Died in NYC in1911.Nellie born in Limerick in about 1870. Married John Regan in about1884. Shehad two sons. John and Edmund. She died in April of 1945

Michael Cregan born in Limerick. He married a lady named Mary. Livedin theEast 90's in Manhattan, NYCCatherine Cregan daughter, married a Tierney and lived in Brooklyn, NY

James O'Regan born in Castlelyons, County Cork, Ireland in about 1796.He was

a stonemason by trade. His wife was Hannorah, born about 1797 in thesamearea. They lived in Saugerties, NY with their daughter Hannorah andtheir sonJohn. John was a stonemason as well. He dropped the O and became JohnRegan.

Nellie Cregan was his second wife. He was originally married toBridget Barry

of Watergrasshill, County Cork, Ireland.

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Areas in Eire being researched: Bandon and Glounthaune, Cork;

Castlebar, Mayo; Wexford; Dingle Peninsula; Caherciveen, Kerry; Glin,

Limerick; Donegal; Nenagh, Tipperary; Ballybane, Galway; Keash, Sligo;

Co. Rosc.

Date: Sat, 31 Oct 1998 08:08:50 -0800 (PST)

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