From:        RuthK3834@aol.comAdd to Address Book   Date:        Thu, 22 Oct 1998 22:37:49 EDT Subject:

        [CRYAN-L] For Theresa Mary    To:

One of the surnames I am researching is Cregan.  Some of my Cregan'slived inBrooklyn, NY.  Catherine was the name of my great-grandmother.  She had4children that I know of.  Patrick, Nellie, Michael, and Catherine.  Thespelling means little as so many were changed when the people emigrated.Perhaps there is a connection. 

Ruth in Florida

From:        Fatarm@aol.comAdd to Address Book   Date:        Fri, 23 Oct 1998 00:10:38 EDT Subject:        [CRYAN-L] Mostly chatty, but information tucked inbetween    To:


First, before I blather as usual, welcome please #33 and #34, a Craneand anI'm-in-the-dark-as-much-as-everybody-else.  I think I've got anotherCrehaninterested to join in shortly, too.  We look forward to hearing from younewbies.Theresa Mary, I LOVED your email.  Did you guys [this is the genderneutral"guys"] realize that there are now 5 Crehan researchers on the listwith a 6thto soon join, I believe?  Maybe it's time you all reposted your researchlines.  I'm really interested by this Crehan/Crean changeover, too.When looking over the Crehan info today, I realized I've been spacingaboutDSchaub1's home county being Tipperary.  For over a week now, theresearcherresponsible for the below webpages has been posting like crazy all overrootsweb's Irish mailing lists, and I promptly kept ignoring it becauseIdidn't think any of us got to Tipperary ... I'm trying hard here not tomakethe obvious bad joke.  At any rate, here's the site I've been

withholding fromyou, so if you haven't yet seen it, look around.  No Crehans/Cranes,but youmight want to get in touch with the researcher:

Lastly, Kathleen, you were the one originally interested in Tom CreantheAntarctic explorer, right?  Have you read anything particularly goodabout himor his adventures?  My reading list is already too long, but I have toadmitthat the radio program description has whetted my curiosity.  --Leslie



   Date:        Tue, 27 Oct 1998 10:29:24 -0600 (CST)

  From:        Kathleen A Craine <>Add to Address Book Subject:        Re: [CRYAN-L] "A Famous Doctor of the Last Century" and        admin. items    To:


On Mon, 26 Oct 1998 wrote:

> And I would like a little advice:  I know I have cousins, first namesall

> unknown, living in NJ and NY, USA.  I pulled a list of addresses off

the> internet for Cryans in the NYC area and am contemplating apre-holiday season

> mailing to these poor unsuspecting folks to see if I can get aresponse with a

> connection.  Has anyone else done a blind mailing like this?  Haveyou had any

> luck or response with such a course of action?  I'd be interested toknow.  --

> Leslie



I've tried this using emails addresses for another surname in my tree,

andI got about a 30-40% response, none of which were matches.  At least I

wasable to eliminate some people as being related.  Everyone who responded

was very courteous--I suppose the people offended just didn't answer.




From:        Fatarm@aol.comAdd to Address Book

   Date:        Wed, 28 Oct 1998 00:00:52 EST

 Subject:        [CRYAN-L] Admin and Description of Places associated with

        O'Crean family, part 1    To:


Admin and Description of Places associated with O'Crean family, part 1


First a little admin:  we lost one subscriber who just recently joined

butnever posted his research, unfortunately, but better news follows -- we

gainedanother Crean researcher who will soon hopefully post the details of her

research.I'm presently spending most of my time data-entering a Births,

Christenings,and Marriages index Caoimhghin kindly sent on.  I'm not quite halfway

yet, andit's humongous.  Interestingly enough, it doesn't list any Creg- or

Creag- orCro- forms of the O'Creans, yet happily includes Cranes, Crains and

some rarerforms of O'Crean (such as Crine).  I'm not sure how I'm going to get

the infoto you all -- but of course I have to finish getting it computerized

before Ican even think of sending the info round.  And don't worry, I won't

send somemammoth file through the list which rootsweb is likely to bounce

anyways.Maybe I'll just do matching locations, surnames or first names on what

folkshave posted.  Of course, if anyone actually wants it all, I'm happy to

arrangesome way of sharing (it's Caoimhghin's research, he gets the credits).

Also, as seems the way of late, the following is due to Caoimhghin:


[Excerpts from "Rentals of the Estates of Landed Proprietors of the

County Sligo in the Years 1633-6", p. 150-151]


The following lands were held by the O'Crean Family:

[Barony of Carbury, Parish of Ahamlish; Parish of St. John's; Parish of

Calry;Parish of Killaspugbrone; Barony of Tirerrill, Parish of Kilmacallan;

andParish of Killadoon -- I'm only doing the first two tonight.]


Barony of Carbury, Parish of Ahamlish:  Carownogransy; The inheritance

ofAndrew O'Crean, who took it in mortdgage from my Lo. of Corke, hee lets

it toundertenatns for 10 pounds per annum; it is good arrable lande, there

is anold castle built uppon it, it hath good turffe, 4 dayes mowing, it will

grase50 cowes, and it is worth 12 pounds per annum.


Parish of St. John's:  Aghamore, 1 qr.; set for 15 pounds per annum; it

isgood arrable land a part, it hath a great scope of mounteyne and

fir-wood, andgood turffe, 3 days mowing; it now grases 100 cowes and it is worth 16

poundsper annum.  *Ballenogarn*, 4 qrs.  The inheritance of Andrew O'Crean

and HenryOge O'Crean, who setts them to undertenants for 18 pounds a quar.  Of

these 4qrs.  they have good shelter and good turffe, it will grase 400 cowes

and itis worth 72 pounds per annum.  *Lecarownocalry*, 1/2 qr.



  From:        "jmitchell" <>Add to Address Book

   Date:        Wed, 28 Oct 1998 12:58:02 -0500 Subject:        [CRYAN-L] Craigen/Cregan/Creighan from Limerick    To:


Hello Leslie Poche & All,

Thank you for your referral to this list. I've been focusing on my othersurnames because I'd found the Irish ones so difficult to trace eventhoughI'm over 75% Irish! The discovery of a Cryan/Cregan list gives merenewedhope. I know very little about my Cregan lineage;


Patrick CRAIGEN (the anglicized spelling, yet I've found recordspertaining

to him or his family with the spellings - CREGAN & CREIGHAN) was born

about1808 according to the 1871 Lennox & Addington Co., Ontario, CAN Census.

Patrick married Ellen O'NEILL born about 1805 (1871 Census). Theymarriedby 1844 based on the approximate date of birth of their 1st child,Bridgett. Oral tradition reveals that Ellen lived at the mouth of theShannon River in County Limerick. Both Patrick & Ellen are believed tohaveoriginated in Glin, County Limerick & married there or nearby. Ellen was

married once before Patrick to Thomas CULHANE also of Glin. Ellen &

Thomashad 1 son & 2 daughters, names unknown. Their son settled in Oregon.


Patrick emigrated through NY & onto Ontario, Canada about 1845. Ellenfollowed about 2 years later. Patrick & Ellen lived for a while inLennox &Addington Co., Ontario. Patrick died about 4-4-1906 in Ft. Francis,RainyRiver District, Ontario, CAN.

Denis CRAIGEN (Cregan, Creighan), the only other known child besidesBridgett of Patrick & Ellen, was born May 1845 in Ireland, probablyCountyLimerick. He married Mary Ellen KENNELLY born about 1848 (1871 Census)inCounty Kerry. Denis & Mary Ellen married on 1-26-1869 in ErinsvilleParish,Lennox & Addington Co., Ont., Canada. Mary Ellen was the daughter ofJeremiah KENNELLY & Ellen MULVIHILL.

Denis & Mary Ellen had 7 children & they finally settled in Stratton,Morley Twp., Rainy River Dst., Ontario, CAN where they died in 1924 &1921respectively.I have some additional data & ideas but I don't want to make a novelout ofmy first post!

Thank you,


From:        Fatarm@aol.comAdd to Address Book   Date: Thu, 29 Oct 1998 00:00:20 EST Subject:        [CRYAN-L] Crohane and Co. Kerry    To:

Hi, gang.  I caught an interesting post on a general search for asurname, andone of the individuals had married a "Crohane Daly".  I wrote to thepost-er to ask about the use of the Christian name and its origins, if he knew. Hewrote back the following and is allowing me to post it to this list: 

"From what I know Crohane was a very popular christian name on the

Iveragh Peninsula (aka ring of kerry) around Cahirdaniel/Castle

Cove/Derrynane area, which are all in the civil parish of Kilcrohane.

The popularity of the name may be attributed to the fact that Saint

Crohane is the patron saint of the parish. The good saint hewed his

hermitage out of solid rock in nearby Coad and to this day Mass is

celebrated on Crohane's day, at this site.  This year's Mass was

celebrated on a beautiful sunny day at the end of July and was well

attended by the locals as well as the bishop and his staff.

There is also a Kilcrohane civil parish in Cork, 14 miles sw of Bantry.

Besides Kate's husband, I know of three other with the christian name of


MacLysaght's "The Surnames of Ireland"

does not list any Crohane or Killcrohane or anything remotely resemblingsame.

Richard J. Gleason"

[this is not quite correct re: MacLysaght, as those of you who read theposting on MacCroghan etc. know, but it's not right to look a gifthorse inthe mouth, or however that saying goes ....]



  From: (MS JULIA M CASE)Add to Address

        Book   Date:        Wed, 28 Oct 1998 21:09:17, -0500

 Subject:        RootsWeb Review, Vol. 1, No. 20    To:

ROOTSWEB REVIEW: Genealogical Data Cooperative News

Vol. 1, No. 20, 28 October 1998; Circulation: 224,200+

Copyright (c) 1998 RootsWeb Genealogical Data Cooperative


Out of sheer genealogical frustration, some of it centered around

the non-indexed Morrow County, Ohio 1850 census, I took this

county on and am more than three-fourths finished with it. Today,

while tearing along, I got into that meditative census-

transcription state, and suddenly solved one of my thorniest

problems. How? I noticed that four women in one township were of

a similar age, had hauntingly familiar first names, and all came

from New Hampshire. One of them was the woman whose parents I

sought. The other three, incredibly, all married men named

GRANDY. I went to the International Genealogical Index (IGI) and

found that many GRANDYs were married to BROCKWAYs. I remembered I

had seen Brockways buried near my mystery woman's daughter. And

bingo! With confirmation from the Brockway mailing list at

RootsWeb, I have her parents and, since her dad was a

Revolutionary War soldier, got generations back to the 1600s. I

would not have figured this out without the slow trudging that

the transcriptions require.


It occurred to me that having the census in database form is very

powerful. Have you realized you could easily, by importing your

.dbf into another program, hunt for everybody named Joseph who is

between 12 and 15 years of age? Or everybody from Ireland whose

first name is John? This would be a way to catch some of your

misspelled and lost relatives, and another reason to transcribe

the census.

                         Jane Peppler <>


[Jane Peppler is a USGenWeb Archives Census Project volunteer.

The foregoing is an abbreviated version of a message Jane posted

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From:        Fatarm@aol.comAdd to Address Book

   Date:        Thu, 29 Oct 1998 00:23:22 EST

 Subject:        [CRYAN-L] Lands held by the O'Crean Family, Part 2


(Last of this source -- some of you may recognize the place names,

others maynot be able to link to these places)

- - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - -

Parish of Calry - *Cartronnogrogagh*, [footnote: In the parish of

Ahamlishthere is a townland named Grogagh] 1/4; sett to undertenants for 5

pounds perannum, and all countrey chardges ... and is worth 7 pounds 11 shillings

perannum.  Lecarownotullagha, 1/2 qr.; worth 9 pounds per annum.

Clogherbeg, 1qr.; ... It is some rockey grounde, it hath good shelter, and good

tuffe, 6dayes mowinge, it will grase 100 cowes, and is worth 20 pounds per

annum.Cloghermore, 1 qr.; ... set to undertenants for 17 pounds per annum and

country chardges, with 4 barrells of malt, 8 fatt muttons, 12 medders of

butter, 24 medders of meale, the third parte to be wheat, a chosher at

Christmas.  It is some parte rockey ground, it hath good shelter, and

goodturffe, 5 dayes mowinge, it will grase 100 cowes, and is worth 20

pounds perannum.  *Colgoder* [Probably Colgagh], 1/2 qr.; worth 10 pounds 4

shillingsper annum.  Kineltin, 1 qr.; it is worth 20 pounds per annum.

Carignogroagh,1/4 qr.; worth 6 pounds 10 shillings per annum.  *Lecarowclunestallan*,

1/2qr.; Annagh (now Hazlewood), 1 qr.; *Killbride*, 1 qr.; These 3 qrs.

and 1/2(?) is the inheritance of Andrew O'Crean, Esq., whoe setts them to

undertenants for 40 pounds per annum and 10 barrells of malt, 10

muttons, 100workmen, 20 medders of butter, 40 medders of meale; it is some part good

arrable land, hath good turffe and shelter and heathy grounde, it will

grase200 cowes, and it is worth 49 pounds 13 shillings per annum.

*Lissacopan* and*Carrownoughter*, 5 cartrons; ... set to undertenants for 21 pounds per

annum... it is good arrable land, it hath good turffe, 5 days mowinge, it

willgrase 120 cowes and it is worth 25 pounds per annum.  Srabraghan [now

writtenRathbraghan], 1 qr.; Saununighteragh, 1 qr.; sett to undertenants for 32

pounds per annum.  It is all good arrable land, uppon the qr. of

Shrabraghanther is a good English mill, one of the best in the country: for duties

hegetts in these 2 qrs. 8 barrells of malt, 16 medders of butter, 32

medders ofmeale, 8 fatt muttons, 40 workmen.  It hath good turffe, 12 days mowing

ofgood low meddow, it will grase 120 cowes and is worth 38 pounds per


Parish of Killaspugbrone. - Gransagh, 4 qrs.; John O'Crean ... bought

it fromSr. Robert Kinge, Knt.; it is all good arrable land, and some heathy

ground,it hath good turffe and meaddowes; the said John getts in these 4 qrs.

the somof 16 barrells of malt, 16 fatt muttons, 16 medders of butter, 64

medders ofmeale, 8 workmen; it will grase 400 cowes, and it is worth 100 pounds


Barony of Tirerrill, Parish of Kilmacallan - Arkneskin, 1 qr.; ... it

is aspongey ground and great store of heath ... it hath a weare of Eeles


Parish of Killadoon - Moore, 1/2 qr. (now Ballindoon); ... it hath good

turffeand (a) good spring with a mill uppon it ... and is worth 7 pounds per

annumby reason of the burialls in the Abbey and the benefitt of the mill.




 Reply-To:          "Family History" < >

    From:          "Family History" < >Add to Address Book

    Date:          Thu, 29 Oct 1998 13:47:51 -0000

  Subject:          [CRYAN-L] BOYLE - Part 2      To:

Extract from the Parliamentary Gazeteer for 1842-4

Boyle Town     Public Buildings

The old bridge of Boyle, situated nearly in the middle of the town,consistsof 5 rather low arches; and has , on its upper side , within a strongcageof palisade work, and on a low pedestal, a statue of William III . Thenewbridge, situated 500 yards lower down, between the barrack and theabbey,consists of a single arch. The new sessions-house stands on the slopeof thehill, fronting the street which runs from the southend of the oldbridge,

and was built at an estimated expense of £800 to the county, aided by£500

and a free site from Lord Lorton. The old session-house , a decayededificein the street or road which passes the barrack, serves for the uses oftheSavings'-bank, the Charitable Loan office, the infants-schools, andpublicmeetings for charitable and religious purposes. the bridewell (jail) isattached to the new sessions-house, and was built at an estimated

expense of£1039 17s 19d.; it contains 2 day-rooms, 8 cells, and 2 yards; but is

keptin an irregular and filthy state, and has a pressing need for reform.The

barrack was originally the residence of the Earl of Kingston.  Theparishchurch,(CoI) , situated somewhat on the crest of the hill on the northsideof the town, and on the old road to Sligo, is a capacious building, ingoodorder, but exhibits little archetectural taste. The Roman CatholicChapel isvery plain, though large structure.

The Abbey:

The ruins of Boyle Abbey are situated in an enclosure about 100 yardsnorth-north-west of the new bridge, and almost close to the new road toSligo. The best view of them from ithout the enclosure , is obtainednearthe entrance-gate of the house of Lord Lorton's agent, and is thusdescribedby Mr Weld: "The part seen here consists entirely of the church andsteeple,

the latter rising in the centre, the north transept extending to theleft,and the nave of the church to the right, under an angular point ofview. Nospacious or ornamented windows are observable, neither is thereintricacy orvariety in the parts; but the general effect of the ruins is solemn andimposing, and the lofty vaults of the circular arches in three of thesidesof the steeple soaring above the tops of the adjacent trees ,communicateand air of grandeur to the edifice, which otherwise it might not beconsidered to possess.  The steeple is a square tower of about 25feetin theinterior, rudely built in the upper parts andterminating abruptly.An abundance of ivy fringes the summit of the walls; and, although thetreeswhich shade the ruin are neither very large nor old, yet they aredisposedin a manner which contributes essentially to the embellishment of thescene."The views within the enclosure are of an altogether different characterfromthat on the outside, and possess in the aggregate a large degree of

interest; but they comprise too many details to be of succinct notice.The Church is cruciform, and measures from east to west 131 feet, with abreadth of 25, and from north to south, or along the transepts,50 feet,witha breadth of 22. the western window was a single, small lancet-shapedopening, with carvings,now much worn on the exterior; and the eastern

windowconsists of three lancet-shaped compartments, theone of which waslarger than the others.In the north side of the nave is the burying-vault of the King family,enclosed by a railing.The abbey , though a fine building , never possessed some features ofarchitectural excellence ascribed to it by Archdall and the editor ofGrose,and differs sowidely from the account of it given by these writers as torender their descriptions mere fancy-writing or caricature.It belonged to the Cistertian order of St Bernard. Peter Mordha, itsfirst

abbot, and reputedly a man of great learning, was promoted to the see ofClonfert, and in 1171, was drowned in the Shannon. Yet theestablishment, asit existed under him, was founded in 1148, at a place calledGrollechdina;and, as Boyle Abbey, it was founded in 1161 by his successor, as anoffset,or daughter of the abbey of Mellifont. So at least says the HiberniaDominicana; which, however is not much to be trusted, and which treats

us toa long detail of annals, containing hardly a line worth quoting.In 1603, the abbey, with some of its largest estates, was granted to SirJohn King, the ancestor of the Earl of Kingston and Lord Lorton.


End of Part 2 ,  to come - Poor Law Union etc, Trade, Municipal Affairs,


I do hope that all this typing is worth it and someone is receivingthis. Itis a little like casting a bottle with a message into the ocean andhoping!!!!!!Please do react - is it boring , useful ,interesting, irrelevant, a sideissue, or even, as I find it , quite fascinating to hear a contemporaryaccount ???This is now too long for one posting, Cherio for now, Eve


  From:        Crogmos@aol.comAdd to Address Book

   Date:        Thu, 29 Oct 1998 10:53:46 EST Subject:        [CRYAN-L] Croghan references 1851 census ( Norfolk, Devon        and Warwickshire )    To:


I have just acquired this census on CD rom and carried out a search forCrighans and related names, here is what I found :-

Mary Anne Crogham, age 15 ,nursery maid in the household of the Earl of

Leicester, Holkham Norfolk.born Shobdon, Hereford.

Thomas Crogan, Head, M, age 40 Pensioner from the army, born Ireland

Margret Rose Crogan, Wife age20, Born Ireland.

Elizabeth Crogan, daughter, age 1, Born Birmingham Warks.

Living at 1court, 7 house Cheapside, St. Martin Birmingham.

Luke Crogan lodger, age35. agricultural labourer, born Ireland. Living

atCourt17 No 2Great Hampton Street, Birmingham.

Edward Crohen Head, age52, Labourer, Born Ireland

Catherine Crohen wife Age46 , born Ireland

Patt Crohen, son age14, Metal roller, born Ireland

Mary Crohen daughter, age12, Pearl button maker, born Ireland

Edward Crohen son ,age 9, Pearl button maker. born Ireland

All living at No 4 house No 31 Court, Livery Street, Birmingham

Phillippa Crogan Head Married, age36 born Grampound Cornwall

Edwin Crogan son, age9, scholar, born Devonport, Devon.

Ann M. Crogan daughter, age 7 Scholar, born Devonport Devon.

Perhaps this information could be useful, I have the folio numbers if

needed.Best wishes Pat Moseley


From:        "Cook, Jonathan A (HUK)" <>Add to Address

        Book   Date:        Thu, 29 Oct 1998 10:59:34 -0600

 Subject:        [CRYAN-L] CRYAN IN CO. SLIGO    To:







Broher                  1.      John Cryan      age 24

                                Bridget Cryan   age 21 sister

                                2.      Patrick Cryan   age 65

                                        Mary Cryan      age 12 daughter

                                3.      Michael Cryan   age 45

                                        Kate Cryan      age 44 wife

                                        Mary Anne       age 7 daughter

                                4.      Margaret Cryan  age 74

                                        James Cryan     age 31 son

                                        Michael Cryan   age 30 son

                                        Ann Cryan       age 28 daughter

                                5.      James Cryan     age 84

                                        Agatha Cryan    age 67 wife

                                        Andrew Cryan    age 36 son

Dernaskeagh             1.      Honour Cryan    age 80

                                        Margaret Cryan  age 70

Cletty                  1.      Thomas Cryan    age 60

                                Mary Cryan      age 50 wife

Carrowcrory             1.      John Cryan      age 45

                                        Ann Cryan (Taheny) age 48

                                        (Married 1872)

                                2.      Bridget Cryan   age 70

                                        Mathew Cryan    age 39 son

                                        Mary Cryan      age 30 daughter

                                3.      Michael Cryan   age 80 (died1905)  

                                        Catherine Cryan age 70

                                        John (Big)      age 45 (was Justice of the Peace)

                                        Winifred Cryan  age 27

                                4.      Patrick Cryan   age 70

                                5.      Mary Cryan      age 85 mother

                                        John Cryan      age 62 son

                                        Bridget Cryan   age 56daughter-in-law (single name also Cryan)

                                        Pat Cryan       age 21grandchild

                                        Mary Cryan      age 16 granchild

                                6.      Mary Cryan      age 65

                                        Michael Cryan   age 28 son

Derrygolagh             1.      Patrick Cryan   age 63

                                        Mary Cryan      age 53 wife

                                        Bridget Cryan   age 22 daughter

                                        Pat Cryan       age 19 son

                                        Thomas Cryan    age 17 son

                                2.      Ceceila Cryan   age 69

                                        Bridget Cryan   age 42 daughter

                                        Norra Cryan     age 26 daughter

                                3.      Martin Cryan    age 85 (Weaver)

                                4.      Patrick (Strong) Cryan  age 75

                                        John Cryan      age 35 son

                                        James Cryan     age 30

                                        Elenor Cryan    age 25

                                5.      Mathew Cryan    age 70

                                        Catherine Crayn (McDonnagh) age60 wife

                                        Mathew Cryan    age 30 son

                                        Kate Cryan      age 26 daughter

                                6.      Patrick (Gildea) Cryan  age 66

                                        Annie Cryan (O'Connor)  age 55wife

                                        John Cryan      age 27 son

                                        James Cryan     age 23 son

                                        Rodger Cryan    age 20 son

                                        Jane Cryan      age 14 daughter

                                        Anne Cryan      age 12 daughter

Tully                   1.      Patrick Cryan   age 23

                                Michael Cryan   age 19 brother

                                        (died 21/6/1940 Sligo MentalHospital)

                                        Daniel Cryan    age 15 brother

                                        Joseph Cryan    age 12 brother

                                        Jane Cryan      age 22 sister

                                        Elizabeth Cryan age 17 sister

                                        N.B. All above are children of

Pat Cryan and Ann Kielty of Knockbrack  

                                2.      Michael Cryan   age 44

                                        Margaret Cryan  age 30 wife

                                        Dan Cryan       age 2 son

                                        Margaret Cryan  age 5 daughter

                                        Beezy Cryan     age 40 sister

Tonaonra                1.      John Cryan      age 56

                                        Mary Cryan      age 50 wife

                                        John Cryan      age 25 son -died 31/8/1938

                                        Mary Anne Cryan age 22 daughter

                                        Henry Cryan     age 15 son

                                        Delia Cryan     age 13 daughter

                                        Norra Cryan     age 4

Carrowreagh             1.      Martin Cryan    age 47

                                        Mathew Cryan    age 13 son

                                        Thomas Cryan    age 11 son

                                        Bridget Cryan   age 4 daughter

                                        Mary Cryan      age 9 daughter

                                        Martin Cryan    age 2 son

                                        Maggie Cryan    age 32 wife




Killsalagh                              1.              Thomas Cryanage 54

                                                                (ParentsPat Cryan & Mary Killgran)

                                                                MargaretCryan (McGlynn) age 50 wife

                                                                JamesCryan           age 27 son

                                                                MaryCryan           age 20 daughter

                                                                PatrickCryan   age 13 son

                                                2.              MaryCryan (Cook) age 65

Listrush                                1.              Catherine Cryanage 40

                                                                (Wife ofJohn Mullowney)

                                                2.              BridgetCryan   age 80

Clooncaltry                     1.              Patrick Cryan   age 50

                                                        Catherine Cryan (Callaghais) age 50 wife

                                                                MaryAnne Cryan       age 17 daughter

                                                                KateCryan  age 15 daughter

                                                                PatCryan     age 13 son

                                                                JohnCryan  age 11 son

                                                                AnnHiggins         age 60 ?

Daughloonagh                    1.              James Cryanage 35

                                                     MaryCryan (Breheny) age 35 wife

                                                                BridgetCryan   age 12 daughter

                                                                KateCryan   age 11 daughter

                                                                JohnCryan           age 10 son     

Knockbrack                      1.              Pat Cryanage 52

                                                                (ParentsDaniel Cryan & Mary Breheny of Tully)

                                                                AnnCryan           age 50 wife

                                                                JohnCryan           age 15 son     

Patrick Cryans



From:        "Cook, Jonathan A (HUK)" <>Add to Address

        Book   Date:        Thu, 29 Oct 1998 11:01:51 -0600 Subject:



Deaths in Ireland for Cryan's 1864-1901

Marriages in Ireland for Cryan's 1864-1901

Tithe Applotment Records for the Parishes of Drumrat, Toomore, Killfree,

Kilcolman for Cryan's.

Cencus of 1911 for Cryan's in Carrowcrory, Broher, Derrygolagh, Tully

Griffith's Valuation of Ireland for Cryan's in Co. Sligo

Reference my own family they emigrated to Glasgow and did not return. 

I obtained their original home County from the 1881 Cencus returns of


The "s" was put on our name in error by a Belgium Priest in Glasgow.

Judge is the English equivalent of Breheny which some of the Irish used,

and this is where the Owen came in, I believe. 


Regarding the Deaths of Pat Cryan you sent:

1892    Culfadda, Drumrat - Sligo

1883    Broher, Keash - Sligo

1891    Ardmoyle, Ballinameen - Roscommon               

Patrick Cryans


From:        "Cook, Jonathan A (HUK)" <>Add to Address

        Book   Date:        Thu, 29 Oct 1998 11:04:13 -0600



Information held by myself:

Two of his sons resided in Glasgow, Scotland last century.  From my

records the following are selected:



b.1835 approx

m.1859 Glasgow (Paisley)

d.1877 Glasgow

Wife Mary Christie

Children -      Mary Cryan              1860 15 June

                Margaret Cryan  1862 5 March

                Daniel Cryan            1863 12 December

                Patrick Cryan           1866 17 March

                Henry Cryan             1868 25 March

                John Cryan              1870 25 April

                Catherine Cryan 1872 27 August



b. 4 August 1823

Wife Mary Leonard

Children -      John Cryan              1853

                Michael Cryan           1856

                Martin Cryan            1861   

                Mary Cryan              1864

                Martin and his family left Glasgow for Dakota in 1874

NOTE: Daniel Cryan of Tully was married to Mary Breheny

Patrick Cryans

From:  "Cook, Jonathan A (HUK)" <>Add to Address

        Book   Date:  Thu, 29 Oct 1998 11:06:00 -0600

 Subject:    [CRYAN-L] 1885 landholders of viscount Lorton




CARROWCRORY             Daniel Cryan

                                                Pat         "

                                                Michael  "

                                                Mary      "

                                                Bridget   "

                                                Michael  "

                                                John       "

BROHER                          Thomas   "

                                                Pat              "

                                                Mary        "

                                                James       "

                                                P.              "

                                                J.              "

DERRYGOLAGH                   Martin      "

                                                James       "

                                                Pat         "

                                                Pat         "

                                                Mathew    "

TULLY                                   Pat         "

                                                Daniel      "

TONAPONRA                       Mathew    "

TUMORE                               P Cryne

Patrick Cryans


From:        "Cook, Jonathan A (HUK)" <>Add to Address

        Book   Date:        Thu, 29 Oct 1998 11:20:13 -0600





Regarding the Cryan's of Tonoponra they don't appear on the Tithe

Applotment records 1830/34 so they must have moved between then and 1858

(Griffith's Valuation) from the Keash area.

1901 Cencus extract for the above:

John Cryan            Head            Age 56  Died 20/9/1928

Mary Cryan (O'Neill)    Wife            Age 50  Died 28/9/1912

John Cryan              Son             Age 25  Died 31/8/1938

Mary Anne Cryan Daughter        Age 22  Died 5/9/1937

Henry Cryan             Son             Age 15 

Delia Cryan             Daughter        Age 13

Nora Cryan              Daughter        Age 4

Other sources for Tonoponra:

Martin Cryan            Died 3/12/1921  age 38

Stephen Cryan           Died 5/5/1987   age 69

* I believe one of the following could be his father

Mathew Cryan            b.1811  died 1891       age 80

Mathew Cryan            b. 1818 died 1898       age 80

Church of Bonninadan Tobercurry:

Marriage 10th May 1874 

John Cryan      Age 27  Origin Knopora  Parents Mathew

Mary O'Neill    Age 21  Origin Dacloon          Parents Arthur

Patrick Cryans

From: (Lyle Staehnke)Add to Address Book

   Date:        Thu, 29 Oct 1998 15:15:32 -0800 (PST)

 Subject:        [CRYAN-L] RE:Danial Cryan wife Margaret McDonagh


Jonathan Cook,, What a gold mine of information you shared with us..Ithank you very much,you evidently have done a lot of research,I don`tknow if you read my web page or not ( ) but I also mention Johnand Martin Cryan of Glasgow Scotland.. Their Dad Danial is my GreatGrandfather.. And I`m still in the process of trying to find out exactlywhere they lived in Ireland and what year they left..They settled inMorrisburgh Canada (Ontario) that is they were in the 1850 census there

also 1861,1871 then in 1881 a little North of there in Osnabruck..Ihaven`t been able to find a date of death for Danial either orlocation...If you run across any more info on them,I would be veryinterested... Thanks again  Lyle


Reply-To:          "Family History" < >

    From:          "Family History" < >Add to Address Book

    Date:          Fri, 30 Oct 1998 09:56:14 -0000

  Subject:          [CRYAN-L] New Info on Keash


Hi Patrick,

Thank you so much for all the information that you sent yesterday. Itlooksto be priceless treasure and will serve well for linking all the familygroups. You must have been researching for a long time and have somegoodcontacts for advice. I am so eager to get at the parish records, whichwillgive the generation before the ones listed or at least the births of

thoseaged about 60 and their parents. to quote/ misquote: - "one small step for history but one giant leapforcryankind"Thank you , Eve

From:        Fatarm@aol.comAdd to Address Book   Date:

        Fri, 30 Oct 1998 12:26:40 EST    To:

 Subject:        Mormon printout

That's okay -- I was hoping I didn't have to put in the rest of thedates, andas I can't see any point, I'll skip it.  I'm becoming wayyyyy behind,especially with the flurry of postings of late.  But I suppose it wouldbe abad idea to ask folks to slow down, huh?  ;)Michael Tobin wrote to me that he got involved with researching hisCryan lineafter the death of his father, too.  It's interesting how death seemsto causea lot of us to seek a connection with our past.  I've learned so muchwhiledoing this research I'm half angry at myself for not having begun

sooner.Both my grandfathers died young and suddenly before I was born -- I was

about30 years old when I first saw a photo of the one and asked who he was.

Myfamily tends not to talk of painful things, but as a result, I don'tknow

either of my genetic grandfathers at all.Between learning of my grandfathers as I interview family members,learningwhat it means to be an IRISH RC (I think most Irish would laugh at meif theysaw me calling myself that-I grew up in a Jewish neighborhood andidentified

myself as Irish RC to avoid being yelled at for not knowing yiddish andplaying outside on Saturdays), and learning about my husband'sprotestantroots, I think I'm learning who I am more than learning about myancestorssometimes.  Not a bad idea for a descendant of the Cryan, Murphy,Kiernan,Kennedy, and Smyth families, huh?


By the way, since you're an expert, is it *wrong* to refer to the Irishlanguage as gaelic?  I got reemed-out a bit by that Crohane Daly guy formaking a reference to gaelic.  He didn't take to me in general, andbasicallytold me I was clueless if MacLysaght didn't clear up the confusion inoursurname.  Just thought I'd try and get my language a little moreprecise ....



From:        Fatarm@aol.comAdd to Address Book

   Date:        Fri, 30 Oct 1998 13:06:17 EST Subject:        [CRYAN-L] Locations being researched, admin, and Digest mode    To:

A new joinee, and experienced researcher and mailing list administrator,suggested I update the taglines with some of the locations we areresearchingin Ireland.  While I think I managed to squeeze most of the Irelandlocationsinto one tagline (size is limited to three lines, 72 columns), I begantorealize that I don't have locations for everyone's ancestors.  I placed

allthe North Americans in another group, and the elsewhere in the worldfolks inyet another.

     For those of you with Welsh, Scottish, and Australian locations,couldyou be more specific about where?  And although I noted "Roscommon" forseveral researchers, I didn't note townlands or parishes for most ofyou, soplease resend.  I'll try and put together a better list to post here sothatwe can skip the taglines (they're small and a pain to update

constantly).And, in case it isn't clear,  taglines are those messages at the end of

postings.     Please also keep an eye out for the surname listing tagline -- ifI'vemissed your spelling on a surname, please let me know.  This is onethat isimportant to keep updated!

     I've really enjoyed the listings on Boyle and Sligo over the pastweek.I really enjoy reading "original" sources such as the description onBoyle,Eve, so don't hesitate to post such things.  It's a nice break fromnames anddates.  Not that anything's wrong with names and dates .... the Sligolistingsare more than welcome!!  Thanks for sharing so much data, Patrick.  Andnowthat I've read your explanation of the CryanS, I'm thrilled that you

sharedthe story of how the S got appended to your ancestor's surname (I'llupdate

the surname tagline soon).     Please welcome subscribers #37 and #38.  However, about 10 folkshave yetto post their research line, interests or stuck-at points.     And, for those of you concerned about the explosion in ourmailboxes oflate, there is another way to receive the mailing list -- as bundles ofemail,called digests or digest mode.  Instead of receiving individual emails,several are bound together based on size and time.  For example, let's

say twoemails get sent one day to the list that are each 8K -- they'd arrivein yourmailbox as one piece of mail.  If, however, only one piece of mail getssentduring a three day period, you get it at the end of that periodregardless ofthe size of the emails accumulated.  Some folks find it a moreconvenient wayto receive talkative lists.  They are labeled as volumes (we're in vol.98because of the year), and the messages are numbered as well as subject

line'd.     To change to digest mode, subscribe to Cryan-D:  send email to"Cryan-D-" with the sole word "subscribe" in the messagebody (allwithout quotes).  Once you have received your subscription confirmationfromthe rootsweb server, then unsubscribe from Cryan-L:  send email to"" with the sole word "unsubscribe" in the messagebody(again, all without quotes).  Or, of course, you can just email me andask meto do it ... ugh, manually ... not to influence your choice or anything  ;)



From:        RuthK3834@aol.comAdd to Address Book   Date:        Fri, 30 Oct 1998 13:18:52 EST Subject:        [CRYAN-L] Relisting for the Newbies    To

Hi all,My name is Ruth and I am researching both Cregan and Regan. Catherine Cregan born about 1843 in Ireland.  Died in NYC in 1917She had four children: Patrick born in Limerick in 1862. Died in NYC in1911.Nellie born in Limerick in about 1870. Married John Regan in about1884.  Shehad two sons.  John and Edmund. She died in April of 1945

Michael Cregan born in Limerick.  He married a lady named Mary. Livedin theEast 90's in Manhattan, NYCCatherine Cregan daughter, married a Tierney and lived in Brooklyn, NY

James O'Regan born in Castlelyons, County Cork, Ireland in about 1796.He was

a stonemason by trade. His wife was Hannorah, born about 1797 in thesamearea.  They lived in Saugerties, NY with their daughter Hannorah andtheir sonJohn. John was a stonemason as well.  He dropped the O and became JohnRegan.

Nellie Cregan was his second wife.  He was originally married toBridget Barry

of Watergrasshill, County Cork, Ireland. 


==== CRYAN Mailing List ====

Areas in Eire being researched: Bandon and Glounthaune, Cork;

Castlebar, Mayo; Wexford; Dingle Peninsula; Caherciveen, Kerry; Glin,

Limerick; Donegal; Nenagh, Tipperary; Ballybane, Galway; Keash, Sligo;

Co. Rosc.


Date:        Sat, 31 Oct 1998 08:08:50 -0800 (PST)

  From:        Caoimhghin O Croidheain <>Add to

To: Subject:        Unidentified subject!

hiStill havnt got all full refs but for those interested in early Creans:

Dermot Mac Dermot 'Mac Dermot of Moylurg: The Story of a Connacht

Family'Drumlin Publs., Nure, Manorhamilton, Co. Leitrim pp.394-6 (no

year)3 full pages on creans


Thomas S. Flynn O.P. 'The Irish Dominicans 1536-1641'

(Andrew o'crean Bishop 1562-94 and the conflict of ecclesiastical

jurisdictions)pp 63-67


Members interests Directory 1992 issn 079-7503Irish Family History

Society po box 36, Naas co Kildare

refs for crine /crean/ crian

sli 1825p            678

ros  1825p            678

eng 1825p    Lancashire 678

page no's I presume??

Caoimhghin O Croidheain


Date:        Sat, 31 Oct 1998 09:49:06 -0800  From:        Kay Frith Allen <>Add to Address Book

 Subject:        [CRYAN-L] CREGAN



So glad this list was started.  I am having a very difficult timetrying tofind info on my Cregan ancestors.  This is all I know at the present:My ggrandfather, James Cregan b. 1853 Ireland (Londonderry, I think)cameto America in 1890 with his wife, Bridget Mary Manley Cregan, and fouryoung children, James, Catherine, Margaret, and Mary.  They had livedin

Liverpool, England prior to immigrating.....all the children were bornthere.  They settled in Chicago where a relative of Bridget lived, aJohnMelvin (Bridget's mother's maiden name). A fifth child, Thomas Cregan,wasborn in Chicago in 1891.  Bridget died in 1894 and the children wereplacedin orphanages or other homes.  That's where I lost track of all the

children until they were adults.I would like to find out where James was born and who his parents werebutI'm not very proficient at searching in Ireland and I don't have a lot

of$$$ to spend on professional researchers.  Kay

Chico, CA


From:        "Roger Cryan and Regina Pana-Cryan" <>Add to

        Address Book   Date:        Sun, 1 Nov 1998 10:59:55 -0500 Subject:        [CRYAN-L] From Sligo to Boyle in 1850's    To:

This is my first posting, although Caoimhghin O Croidheain (KevinCryan)

sent in the following on my family:

Roger Cryan


James Cryan  m.(m.c.1853) Honoria Byrne,

Children- Mchael (b.1854, Boyle >USA), James (b.1859, Boyle), John

(b.1865, Boyle), John (b.1866, Boyle), Martin (b.1861 or 67, Boyle

>USA), Brigid (b.1856, Boyle) and Mary Jane (b.1869, Boyle)


Here are some additional details:

The 1853 marriage of James Cryan and Honoria (Honora) Byrne (Bierne)(alternate spellings in alternate documents) was in the Kilfree andKilaragt R.C. Parish of County Sligo, which was much larger that it isnow.


The children were, it seems, born in Boyle parish, Ballinanultaghtownland,and the name is still on the farm (although through a complicatedpassing-down to distant (?) relatives).  According to relatives of the present holder of the land, my great-great-grandfather James came toBallinulty (another alternate spelling) from County Sligo with theRorke

family.  The dates of the marriage and the baptisms suggest the movewasmade in 1853 or 1854.  Ballinanulty is only a few miles from the Sligoline, so the move might have been a big one or a small one.


My great grandfather Martin Cryan, his brother Michael Cryan, and hissister Mary Jane all came to Lowell, Massachusetts, although Mary Janereturned to Boyle.  Both Martin and Michael had numerous children.My grandfather also remembered an Aunt Delia in Lowell, although shedoesn't seem to match up with the rest.  James inherited the farm and married a Cryan from Sligo and had nochildren. John never married.Brigid (I think) married a man named Welsh and moved to the North.Mary Jane (I think) never married.


I won't detail any more generations, for the privacy of the living; ifyou're looking to find a connection through the Lowell Cryans, pleasecontact me directly.



I don't know where these Cryans came from in Sligo, which might leadbackto previous generations.  There are at least two possible sources forthisinformation:

1.  Paddy Rorke, who was living in Boyle in 1997, is the grandson (?)


the Rorke (the first name is on the 1857 Griffith's valuation for

Ballinulty along with James Cryan; I have it but can't find it right

now)who came to Boyle with James Cryan.  He might know something about

this; ifsomeone comes across him, please ask him.


2.  The estate records for the Viscount Lorton for 1853-54.  I can only

assume, based on the large size of Lorton's estate (which covered most

ofnorth Roscommon and large areas of Sligo and Leitrim) that James

Cryan'sparents were also his tenants, and that some record of the origin of

JamesCryan or his compatriot Rorke is made in the estate records.  The 1857

Griffith's valuation suggests that Rorke and Cryan each held an

individualtenancy and that they shared another.  If anyone (Kevin?) is looking

through the Lorton estate records, please see if there is anything on

thismove.  This could tie my branch into big tree that someone has

discussedputting together to see where we all fit.

I hope some of this has been of help to others, and that someone can

tellme a thing or two.                Familially yours,                Roger Cryan


Date:        Sun, 01 Nov 1998 16:53:55 -0500  From:        Dana Puopolo <>Add to Address Book Subject:        [CRYAN-L] Patrick Cryan family-Sligo>MA,USA    To:

Hi.  I am pretty new to the list.  My Cryans also came from Co. Sligo.

This is my info-

Patrick S. Cryan b. Mar. 1, 1870 in Co. Sligo came to Swampscott, MA,

USA in 1879.  D. Aug. 3, 1949.

 He married Nora Drislane and had Mary E. Cryan b. 1905, John Stephen

Cryan b. 1902, Patrick H. Cryan, and Henry Cryan.

John Stephen Cryan, my ggrandfather, m. Margaret Daugherty.  Their

children were Barbara Cryan b. 1931 d/ 1983 and Marjorie Cryan.

Barbara Cryan m. Angelo Valentino Puopolo.


My family says that we have cousins in Lowell, MA, which is about 2 hrs

away, but no one seems to quite know how they are related.  I haven't

ever met any of these people.On another note, I have found somewhere that Crynes, Crean, Creaghan,O'Crean and Crehan are all forms of Cryan.Thanks,




From:        Voltene@aol.comAdd to Address Book

   Date:        Sun, 1 Nov 1998 20:10:16 EST Subject:        [CRYAN-L] Martin Cryan of Lowell MA    To:

        Martin Cryan, according to his naturalization US Circuit Court,

Boston, MA, 24 Oct. 1889,

        Occupation-  grocer

        Born   Co. Roscommon, Ireland

        Date of Birth,  16 June 1864

         Arrived Boston,   on or about  19 March 1882

------His actual arrival Boston, MA  31 March 1883    at age 19, on"Palastine"


First mention of Martin Cryan in the Lowell, MA City directories was 

       1884          Cryan, Martin,  clerk at 48 River St.,  boards 50 RiverSt.

1885          Cryan,  Bros. (Martin and Michael),  grocers and

provisions,189 Market St.

1881         Cryan, John M.,  clerk at 50 River St., boards 50 River St


On   12 Sept. 1893,  Martin Cryan married Margaret Maloney.(Moloney)

        Lowell Daily Courier,  Thursday 14 Sept. 1893

Martin Cryan and Margaret A. Maloney were united in marriage on Tuesday

afternoon at St. Peter's parsonage.  P.F. Cox was best man and MissBridget

Farrell was bridemaid.   There was a reception at the home of thebride'sparents,  30 Whipple Street.




Lowell Sun,   27 Mar 1936

       Martin Cryan, widely known merchant, died this morning at hishome, 90

White street,  following a long illness.   Mr. Cryan was a member ofSt.Rita's Church and a resident of the Pawtucketville section of the cityforover 60 years.       He leaves his wife, Margaret A. Moloney Cryan; two daughters,

Mrs.Ralph Corkran and Miss Margaret G. Cryan, a supervisor at the N.E. Tel.

andTel. Co.; three sons,  John J. , Martin C., and James P. Cryan, local

electrician; two sisters,  Mrs. George (Delia) Kinney and Miss Jane Cryan; a

brother, James Cryan,  both of Ireland.     The body was taken to the

O'Connell funeral home, Westford street.


a little note,   Delia is a nickname for Bridget



Lowell Sun,  25 Apr. 1947

      Mrs. Margaret (Moloney) Cryan,  widow of Martin Cryan and alifelong

resident of this city,  a member of St. Rita's church since itsinception and

formerly residing at 90 White street, Pawtucketville, died last nightafter a

short illness.  Born in Lowell,  she was the daughter of the latePatrick and

Mary (Caffrey) Moloney.         She was a graduate of the Lowell schools and Notre Dame academy.       She is survived by three sons,  John J. Cryan, of Lowell, Martin

C.Cryan of Saugus and James P. Cryan of Lowell; two daughters, Mrs. Ralph

Cockran and Miss Margaret G. Cryan, both of this city; sixgrandchildren and

several nieces and nephews.



Lowell Sun    Tuesday 3 June 1941

        Mrs. Delia  (Cryan) Kinney,  a well known member of the Sacred

Heartparish, died Monday at her home,  12 Anderson St.Court.   Born in

Ireland, shewas the daughter of the late James and the late Honor (Berne) Cryan. 

Comingto this country about 60 years ago, she settled in this city where she

hasalways made her home.   She was a member of the Holy Rosary Sodality of

theSacred Heart parish.

       She is survived by three daughters, Mrs. Thomas F. Keane and

Mrs. JohnMcGuigan, both of this city,  Mrs. William J. Burns of Fort Devens, and

oneson,  George P. Kinney of Lynn,   two brothers in Ireland, 10

grandchildrenand two grear grandchildren



 Reply-To:          "Family History" < >

    From:          "Family History" < >Add to Address Book

    Date:          Mon, 2 Nov 1998 11:24:54 -0000

  Subject:          [CRYAN-L] BOYLE town - Part 3


Please note 1. that the Poor Law Union area was the same as the

RegistrationDistrict. Therefore a person registered in "Boyle" could well live in

any ofthe parishes mentioned  ie in Co Sligo, Co Mayo, Co Leitrim or even Co

Roscommon.2. that 20s = £1 and 12d = 1s; s = shilling (now 1s =  5p/new pence);

d = old penny(21/2d=1p) approx._

Extract from The Parliamentary Gazetteer 1840 -42

Boyle Town

Poor Law Union etc.

The Boyle Poor Law Union ranks as the 64th, and was declared on Aug.20,1839. It comprehends 283 square miles, or 181,293 acres, with apopulationin 1832, of 65,662. The electoral divisions which compose it areShancough,Kilmactranny, Ballinafad, Toomour, and Kilshaloy,in the Co of Sligo;Kilturid, Coolarin, and Kilfree, in the counties of Sligo and Mayo; andBreedogue, Boyle, Ballinameen, Shankill, Croghan, Rockingham, Ardcarne,

andKeadue in the counties of Sligo and Roscommon.Boyle division is represented by three electoral guardians, Keadue bytwo,and each of the other divisions by one; and the number of ex officionguardians is six.The total nett annual value of property rated is £81,262 6s; the totalnumber of persons rated is 11, 763; and of these, 1,811 are rated for avaluation not exceeding £1,- 1,348, not exceeding £2,- 1,311, notexceeding£3, - 1,283 not exceeding £4, - and 1,236, not exceeding £5.The workhouse was contracted for on Feb 8 1840, - to be completed inMarch,1841, - to cost £6,885 14s. for building and completion, and £1414 6sforfittings and contingencies, - to occupy and area of 6 acres, obtainedfor an

annual rent of £30, - and to contain accommodation for 700 paupers. The

dateof the first admission of paupers was Dec. 31 1840; the totalexpenditure

thence till Feb 6 1843, was £2,627 10s 3d.; and the total previousexpenditure  was £454 9s 9d.The dispensary districts are those of Boyle, Cootehall, Croghan and

Keadue;and they comprise an area of 81,741 acres with 41,156 inhabitants,

leavingupwards of one third of the population unprovided.The union contains no fever hospital; and it is so situated as toderive nobenefit from the infirmaries  of the counties in which it lies.The Boyle dispensary has a district of 20,736 acres, with a population

of12, 597; and in 1840-41 received £136 18s., expended £122 7s 01/2d.,

made3,847 dispensations of medecine.A Charitable Loan Fund was established in 1824, was conducted under thepatronage of Lord and lady Lorton, and up to 31st Dec.1829, circulatedundergratuitous management £16,971 in 7,867 loans.

Trade: -

Timber, iron, and other heavy goods are brought from Sligo by

drey-carriage; and the finer articles of British manufacture chiefly from Dublin,

andprincipally by canal. the town is very fairly provided withshops, and

is aconsiderable depot for the retail supply of the surrounding country.

Theordinary market for provisions is held in an oblong enclosure ,

constructedfor the purpose near the bridge; and is supplied well with meat and

fish onrgular days, and partially throughout the week. the staple articles of

cornand butter are in smart demand ; and are sometimes ,at the height of

theseasdon, objects of lively competition between the dealers established

inthe town and those who come over from Sligo.Tradesmen of the ordinary classes, such as carpenters,turners,wheelwrights,masons, stonecutters,smiths,tinworkers,tailors,shoemakes, and coopersarenumerous.

Fairs are held on May 30, July 25, and Oct 1.

Branch offices of the National bank and the Agricultural Bank, were

established in 1836.The head inn, Freeman's, stands near the river, and would be pronouncedgoodin almost any country or district.The public conveyances, in 1838, were a coach to Dublin, a car toLongford,a mail car to Frenchpark, and a mail-coach and a stage-coach in transitbetween Dublin and Sligo.

end for today, Eve


From:        "Michael Tobin" <>Add to Address Book

   Date:        Tue, 03 Nov 1998 05:23:00 PST

 Subject:        [CRYAN-L] Re Cryan genealogies


In response to Kevin's posting over a week ago listing the names of

Cryan researchers, I'd like to point out that :-


T.G. Cryan, 11 Silver Birches, Dundrum, Dublin 14, IrelandFather- John Gerald Cryan (b.1916, d. 1980) Keash, Ballymote, Co.Sligo. Grandfather- John Cryan, (b. c.1868, d.c. 1945),Keash, Ballymote -(farmer, Councillor).

is on the same line as myself. We made contact during the Summer via Kevin. Thanks Kevin!regardsMichael


From:        "Michael Tobin" <>Add to Address Book

   Date:        Tue, 03 Nov 1998 05:24:10 PST

 Subject:        [CRYAN-L] Re BOYLE - Part 2



Thank you for the posts concerning Boyle. I for one, find this

information very useful. Its the sort of information that I read and

then file away for future reference as you never know when I'll need it

again. Please continue to post any information of this nature to the

list as many will find it useful now or later.



From:        "Michael Tobin" <>Add to Address Book

   Date:        Tue, 03 Nov 1998 05:26:49 PST


        TONAPONRA    To:


I don't know where to start. Thank you for all the records which you posted concerning Keash. Much of the information which you posted is very interesting to me as it lists some of my family - and I have lots of questions for you. I would be very very interested in finding outthe sources of your information as you include some new details for me.

In the 1901 census, the family you list in Tonaponra are my line:

    "1901 Cencus extract for the above:

    * John Cryan            Head            Age 56  Died 20/9/1928

    Mary Cryan (O'Neill)    Wife            Age 50  Died 28/9/1912

    John Cryan              Son             Age 25  Died 31/8/1938

    Mary Anne Cryan Daughter        Age 22  Died 5/9/1937

    Henry Cryan             Son             Age 15  

    Delia Cryan             Daughter        Age 13

    Nora Cryan              Daughter        Age 4"


Mary Anne was my great-grandmother. Henry was referred to as Harry by

my family - I have yet to figure out why he was listed as Henry on the

1901 census. There were 3 other children in the family - Matthew, Michael

and Martin, all of whom were likely no longer living at home in 1901.

Matthew emigrated to the USA and I have yet to track down his

descendants. Michael owned a shop in Ballymote town and Martin died

from the big flu around 1917-1921. This is more than likely the Martin Cryan

who you've noted as dying on 3/12/1921 age 38.

As a matter of interest, where did you obtain the dates of death that

you've listed? Some of them differ to what I have recorded, although

I've yet to confirm some of mine.

The Stephen Cyran whom you mention died on 5/5/1987 aged 69 is a son of

John Cryan whom you've indicated as died on 31/8/1938.

Regarding your point that the Cryans of Tonaponra don't appear on the

Tithe Applotment records of 1830/34, my Cryan line are reputed to be

from Carrowcrory when you go back several generations. Whether they

were from there in 1830/34 or not, I don't know yet but it is a possibility.