new file
‘emcry2.doc’ [LAST PRINTED PAGE IS 86 BEGINNING ‘FROM RUTH K 3834 [22 OCT] AND
ENDING WITH [23 OCT] ‘ WHETTED MY CURIOSITY -LESLIE’]
December 1807. They settled in New Norfolk, Van Dieman's
Land and had another
two children. They did not stay out of trouble however as
Thomas was
arrested and was
tried in September 1817 for sheep stealing with his eldest son
Thomas junior. They were sentenced to death but that was
commuted to a life sentence
after a petition
was sent to the Lieutenant-Governor on
their behalf. They
were both sent to
one of
thoseselected to go and retrieve a government boat that had been stolen and
wrecked by runaway
convicts. In later years Thomas had
trouble proving that he
had in fact
received his ticket of leave as there was some confusion over the various
spelling of his
name. Mary was also in trouble - once for being drunk for which she was fined
five shillings and
another
case was dismissed.
Another two of their sons - James and John - were arrested for stealing
ten pigsand were
sentenced to seven years.
The children of
Thomas and Mary:- Thomas
James (1798-1848)
married Rebecca Cox
Catherine
(1802-1833) married Henry Cresswell
John (1804-1857)
married Sarah Rowley (my line)
Michael (1807-1822)
David (1809-1847)
married Sarah Morgan
Orison (1811-?)
If anybody could
shed some light on this CRAWN/CRAUN etc
family, I would be
happy to hear from you.
Wendy in
From:
Fatarm@aol.comAdd to Address Book
Date:
Wed, 14 Oct 1998 15:31:06 EDT
I don't know if
you've already seen this site, but when I saw it, I
thought ofyou
N.Dakota Cryan researchers:
web.nstar.net/~dwat6911/dat9.htm
<A
HREF="http://web.nstar.net/~dwat6911/dat9.htm">Genealogy
Data</A>
Date:
Wed, 14 Oct 1998 16:11:47 -0700 (PDT)
From:
Caoimhghin O Croidheain
<caoimhghin@yahoo.com>Add to
Address Book Subject: [CRYAN-L]
lorton estate
To:
CRYAN-L@rootsweb.com
The Lorton Papers
are in a couple ofold trunks in a back room inRoscommon
tenants. I found a
standard lease signed by my greatx2 grandfatherJohn Cryan for 1876 and a full
rental history from that date to 1905when he died mainly in the form of entries
in large rent books.Access
is no problem - I
was left to my own devices for a full day goingthrough the material and allowed
to photocopy anything I wanted -
thestaff are great. Its possible that if you wrote to them they might
spend the time
going through the stuff for you .....
Caoimhghin O
Croidheain
Reply-To: "Family History" < >
Date: Thu, 15 Oct 1998 08:43:35 +0100
Subject: [CRYAN-L] Re Lorton papers
To: CRYAN-L@rootsweb.com
Thank you,
Caoimhghin, for the information on the Lorton papers. I hadassumed that they
were in the National Library as they had a librarymanuscript number or are
there others? Perhaps Michael will enjoy
looking atthem, if
he can get there sometime, now we know they exist. Can youtell us
where the library
is? Is it in Roscommon town itself or is it in Boyleorelsewhere?
==== CRYAN Mailing
List ====
Have you come
across a Crean while doing Croghan research?
List it
here:
cryan-L@rootsweb.com
From:
"Cook, Jonathan A (HUK)" <cookja3@texaco.com>Add
Date: Thu, 15 Oct 1998 03:20:01 -0500
Subject:
[CRYAN-L] CRYAN IN CO.
To:
CRYAN-L@rootsweb.com
Can you help? Regarding any information on Cryan's 1901 or
1911 census
returns. Irish births and marriages.Any info on a
Patrick Cryan-Margaret Walsh (Welsh) marriage between
1900-1920 either
in Co. Sligo or
least 3 children
John, Patrick and Owen. They emigrated
to
From:
Julie_Case@prodigy.com (MS JULIA M CASE)Add to
Address Book Date:
Thu, 15 Oct 1998 14:41:36, -0500
Subject:
RootsWeb Review, Vol. 1, No. 18
ROOTSWEB REVIEW:
Genealogical Data Cooperative News
Vol. 1, No. 18, 14
October 1998; Circulation: 219,500+
Copyright (c) 1998
RootsWeb Genealogical Data Cooperative
NEW WEB SITES:
Some of these might not yet be accessible. If one
that interests you
isn't up yet, please check again in a few days
or a week.
<http://www.rootsweb.com/~<accountname> (the ~[tilde]
before the name is
required) will work for most of the following.
If not, you will
find most of them at the USGenWeb Project
<http://www.usgenweb.org>
or the WorldGenWeb Project
<http://www.worldgenweb.org>.
For example, to visit the
site, go to:
<http://www.rootsweb.com/~srilanka/>
HUMOR. Thanks to
Charles Hansen <mxph25a@prodigy.com>, who
forwarded this
list of acronyms posted way back in May on a
Prodigy Classic
bulletin board by Melanie Nickel.
ISDN - It Still Does Nothing
APPLE - Arrogance Produces Profit-Losing Entity
SCSI - System Can't See It
DOS - Defective Operating System
BASIC - Bill's Attempt to Seize Industry Control
IBM - I Blame Microsoft
DEC - Do Expect Cuts
CD-ROM - Consumer Device, Rendered Obsolete
Monthly
OS/2 - Obsolete Soon, Too.
WWW - World Wide Wait
MACINTOSH - Most
Applications Crash; If Not, The Operating
System Hangs
PENTIUM - Produces Erroneous Numbers Through
Incorrect
Understanding of Math
COBOL - Completely Obsolete Business Oriented
Language
AMIGA - A Merely Insignificant Game Addiction
LISP - Let's Insert Some Parentheses
MIPS - Meaningless Indication of Processor
Speed
WINDOWS - Will Install Needless Data On Whole System
MICROSOFT - Most
Intelligent Customers Realize Our Software
Only Fools Teenagers
From:
Fatarm@aol.comAdd to Address Book
Date:
Fri, 16 Oct 1998 10:42:14 EDT
Subject:
[CRYAN-L] Research and web site on searching in
religious orders
I'm sharing some
information below that may not be of interest to many,
butassuming that
most of us had Catholic ancestors, it may be of interest
tosome.
My Cryan
ancestor's older sister became a nun (Katherine Cryan), and as
thefollowing
helpful advice from another researcher points out, its often
quitepossible to
find information on such an ancestor if one knows something
aboutthe order to
begin with or a location. Still, I'd
love to hear from
anyoneelse who has
traced such an aunt or uncle, and of their experience and
advice.
Here's the advice
I've received:
<<We
successfully located the present mother house for a gggaunt who
was alsoa nun, two
of them were nuns, in fact. Knowing the religious order is
thefirst hurdle.
We were fortunate in that my grandmother had left notes
withsome family
history which mentioned the order the sisters belonged to.
<<We also
knew the state in which the sister resided. That helped, too.
Iwould think that
if you know the religious order, you can contact them
and askthem for
help in locating your ancestor. I've done that with a priest
ancestorand one
priest archivist took the time to look up my great-uncle's name
in adirectory of
priests from that period and sent me the dates and
parishes whichhe
served.
<<The
religious order sent me a letter with all known information on
the twonuns who
had first gone to the order as orphans in the orphanage run by
theorder and later
professed their vows. The information included dates and
places of birth,
parents'names, when they entered the orphanage, when
theytook their
final vows, their dates of death and where they were buried.
<<If you
don't know the order, I would try to find out where and when
theydied (perhaps
a death index search) and see if you can find an obituary
whichwould list
the religious order.
-Penny B.
*************************************
A USGENweb page
for research into N.American Catholic Genealogy
<A
HREF="http://home.att.net/~mensch-family/CatholicRecords-index.htm">
Lastly, any of you
presently-in-Ireland folks have any advice for
locating
apriest/nun in
From:
"Michael Tobin"
<tobinmi@hotmail.com>Add to Address
Book
Date: Sat, 17 Oct 1998
03:09:13 PDT
Subject:
[CRYAN-L] partial map of Keash
Hello there,I've
temporarily made a piece of the map of
in an earlier
post, available on my Web site
http://www.geocities.com/Heartland/Ranch/2926/keash.jpg
This copy is
totally unauthorised of course, but I just might get away with it as I'm not
linking it from my Web site, as its only there temporarily, and as its an advertisement
for others to buy the whole
map. Its part of
the Discovery Series of maps produced by the OrdnanceSurvey of Ireland. The one
in question is map number 25. Unfortunately, itdoes not extend as far south as
Boyle and hence does not include all of the Keash parish (and doesn't include
the townland of Carrowcrory which I
had thought would
be on it). I don't have the map for this part, butits number 33 and will be
available from the Ordance Survey Office (
http://www.irlgov.ie:80/osi/Pages/maps/discovry.htm ).
These maps cost
about £5 each. There are 89 different maps whichbetween them cover the whole
country. Not all of the maps in the Discovery Series are available yet, but I'm
sure if you email them, you'll find out which ones are not yet available.When I
last enquired about availablity of some specific maps, they told
me that map 32
would not be available until November and map 33 until December. From memory,
they said that all maps would be available by January, 1999.
RegardsMichaelMichael Tobin
http://www.geocities.com/Heartland/Ranch/2926/
From:
"Michael Tobin" <tobinmi@hotmail.com>Add to Address
Book
Date: Sat, 17 Oct 1998
03:11:54 PDT
Subject:
[CRYAN-L] Re: The CRYANs of Keash/Kesh/Drumrat
Eve and Kevin
Thanks for all the
detail you posted on Keash and Lorton. I hope to go to Boyle at some stage to
look at the Lorton papers, but it may not be for a while yet. An elderly
relative told me that many Keash farmers
who feared going
to the local landlord with the rent, used to ask my gg-grandfather John Cryan
to take it to the landlord for them. John had no problem with this, but used to
make surethat he always wore his oldest clothes when going - just in case the
landlord decided that he should pay more rent! This elderly relative
thought that the
landlord's office was in Boyle, so it might well have been Lorton.
Eve, all of that
many of the 20 or
so Cryans listed in
got to that stage,
then by a process of elimination, it might be possible to figure out who was
who's ancestor.Given that this area, coupled with Boyle, seems to be the Cryan
heartland, this might be useful to many current or future Cryan researchers.I
mentioned before that I think that the generation before my
gg-grandfather
John Cryan, was Matthew Cryan and Briget Hannon, married in Keash in 1844. I
still haven't confirmed this and a cousin of minein Keash feels that it might
not be the case. However, I know for a fact
that there was a
close Hannon connection with my family prior to my gg-grandfather's generation,
so that marriage seems the most likely.One problem is that I haven't yet found
the birth record for my gg-grandfather even though the Keash records go back
far enough. He was born around 1845. The records started around about that
time. I'm considering the possibility that he was registered somewhere else -
maybe in Ballymote
or in Boyle. There was a Mathew Cryan in Tonrapona for
2 more Matthew
Cryan's in Keash at that time also - something for me to work on.
I located my notes
that I mentioned in my last post, that I had made earlier in the year on a trip
to Keash. I am currently typing them up, but there is one that you will
probably be particularly interested in
Eve [or perhaps
you are already aware of it and have discounted it] - a marriage record for
Daniel Cryan and Maria Breheny dated 3 February 1842. The witnesses were
Patrick Breheny and John Cryan. It does not
indicate what
townland they were from. I didn't make any notes of their children - even
though I had a lot of time on that particular day to look at the Cryan records,
there were so many births there that I only
had time to note
the ones that I knew were of my own family. Sometime I hope to go back and
complete the task and note the other births. There is also a marraige record
for a James Cryan and a Maria Cryan dated 8
February 1844 and
the witnesses were John Cryan and Daniel Cryan.Hope this is helpful.
RegardsMichael
Date:
Mon, 19 Oct 1998 11:29:44 -0700
To: caoimhghin@yahoo.com
From:
Jean Rice <jeanrice@cet.com>Add to Address Book Subject: Cryan database
Dear Kevin, While
I do not have family that I know of named Cryan - my family'ssurnamewas
Ford(e)/Ford from Drumshanbo, Co. Leitrim - I must say that I reallyadmire you
for setting up your Cryan database. I
purchased an IrishRootsmagazine (1998) second-hand from a lady here in
My mother's maiden
name was Sweany, her family in
My father's
Forde/Ford family left Co. Leitrim and settled in Liverpoolbetween 1865 and
1881. When my father's father, Michael,
fell off aladderand broke his neck the family immigrated to the
1925via
justwanted,
really, to tell you what a service you have provided the Cryanfamilies, and I
would be interested in hearing how many of your 650worldwide letters sent a
response.
I have only been
on the Internet for a couple months, but I have hadlucknot only finding
information on my family surnames but also matchingqueries in various
periodicals (mostly non-Internet) with Internet
researchers. This is my hobby.Could you tell me if
"Irish Roots" magazine is still being published?
Areyou aware of a
May those who
love us, love us
And those that
don't love us,
May God turn
their hearts:
And if he doesn't
turn their hearts
May he turn
their ankles
So we will know
them
by their limping
Jean Rice
Reply-To: "Family History" <
>Date: Tue, 20 Oct 1998
01:24:35 +0100
Subject: [CRYAN-L] Name variations and more
from Boyle Register To: CRYAN-L@rootsweb.comHello everyone,
You have been
quiet this weekend so I thought that I would share thiswithyou.I spent a few
hours looking at the Boyle RC Parish Records on film theotherday at my local
FHC before they closed for two weeks - Ah me!Lack-a-day!As I have mentioned
before ,they are in Latin and rather difficult toreadeverything because much of
the ink has faded,or the handwriting issmall,very small(I guess paper was expensive
and hard to come by) or thehandwriting is just difficult to read with squggles
or ambiguous letters
etc. After quite a
time reading the names almost aloud I found thatmany ofthe names became
familiar but were spelt as heard and when the samename wasrepeated by a
different hand the spelling varied but it sounded thesame.Put on an Irish
accent and say these out loud, I find there is not much
difference
Galaher could this be Galagher - fairly
obvious
Birn.............Byrne
Biern(e).......Behan?
Commons....Cummins?
Tyenon........Tiernon?
Kocki..........Coghey? now say
Grehan..Green/Pronounced
Gre en, Crehan, Crean/pronounced Cre an, Cryan,
Krine (don't
forget the accent)!! Do you see the
similarity.The spelling variations were emphasised when I came across the
twofollowingentries :-
2March 1793 (born
27thFeb) Michael Cryan & Bridgit
Dannilan..........Maria/Mary
witnesses/godparents James
Dannilan(Kilaraght)&
Maria Brennan
23 July 1795 Michael Krine &
BrigitDonelan............Winifred
witnesses/godparents Martin Cox &Johanna
McDermott
I think that the
parents at these baptisms are one and the same. What
do youthink??
To add to the list
that I have given before............
Baptisms:-
5Feb1793 Patrick Brennan & Cecelia Grehan.........
Michael
w Michael Grehan & Margaret Bourke
3March 1793
Timothy Higgins & Mary Cregan......Mary
w Patrick McHugh & Mary
Bern
22March 1793 John Green & Mary Farrill..........
witnesses/godparents
abrieviated to w
Spollani(?)
13 April1793
Carolo(??) Grahan &Honoria McHugh........Michael
w Peter McHugh & Bridgit
Dyer
14 Aug 1793 Martin
Cryan & Mary Mullanny......Winifred
w Michael McDermott &
Susanna McEtuliff(?)
6Sept 1794 Andrew
Maddin & Sara Hana.........Peter
w Peter Grehan & Sara
Grehan
13 Sept 1794 Patrick Hannon & Bridgit
McCox...........Paul
w Robert Cryan & Matilda Sythe (?)
...............LESLIEALERT
!!!!!!!!!!!!
30 Sept 1794 John
Hammon & Eleanora Cryan......Twins Joanna(I think but
could be John)(1)
& Richard(2) w
(1) James Worott(?) & Elizabeth Donovan;(2) PeterMurphy & Anne Lyons
26Dec1794 John Sharkott & Catherine
Grehan........Mary
w Patrick Brennan &
Sarah Grehan
2Feb1795 Patrick Cryan & Catherine
Bruen........James
w Bridgit Brennan
7 Feb1795 Eugene Grehan & Margaret Connellan.....
John Conlan & Hilary
Tyenon (could this father beEugeneCryan
of Feb 1793?) (should Margaret and John have the same surname?)The question
marks are how I read the spellings which do not seem quite
right to me.Until
again , Eve
16 Sept 1794
Laurence Keogh & Honoria Bridiken (?)...........Honoria
w Bernard McHugh &
Bridgit Cryan
From:
Fatarm@aol.comAdd to Address Book
Date:
Mon, 19 Oct 1998 21:46:13 EDT
To:
caoimhghin@yahoo.com
Subject:
All received
Thank you so very
much for all the information. I've just
completed my"holiday" - driving about 1900 miles total and visiting
all sorts ofrelations. I feel totally overwhelmed
by the piles of mail accumulated
overthe last two
weeks (and I'm not even looking in my inbox for emailtonight!).Nonetheless, I'm
looking forward to a good read tonight, thanks to you(I'vealready skimmed, now
to read). Please send your snail mail
addressagain sothat I may reciprocate with a few poor offerings of my own for
yourfiles.By the way, is it alright if I post some/all of the info? Is that whatyouwere intending, or just into
my dbase? I ask because although muchseems
tobe public info, you're the one to have put all the sweat and labor into
accumulating
it.Lastly, I'd love to hear of your Grandfather's connection to
MichaelCollinsas referenced in The Kerryman's recent article. I just finishedMacKay'sbiography of Collins
not too long ago ... but, as always, only if yourtimepermits. I can wait!
Leslie
From: Fatarm@aol.comAdd to Address Book Date:
Mon, 19 Oct 1998 21:52:38 EDT
Subject:
[CRYAN-L] Back and swamped
I'm back from my
mini-tour (nearly 2000 miles logged in!), but am a bitswamped with the recent
postings, updating my database, and some newinfo justreceived. Plus about 4 people are waiting to find out
from me whethertheyhave a tie-in to our surname or database. Have I mentioned that I'mwell over800 names
in the database now and quickly surging towards 1000? I needtospend some time sorting, proofing,
and just plain ole organizing,however, sodon't expect much from me this
week. Just wanted to let any of you who
arewaiting for
some change to occur via me that I'll be onto it nowshortly ....
Leslie
"Family
History" < >Add to
Subject: Re: [CRYAN-L] Back and swamped
Date: Tue, 20 Oct 1998 08:56:08 +0100
To: CRYAN-L@rootsweb.com
Welcome back
,Leslie.
I hope you enjoyed
your break and are not too tired by all that driving.From here one could get
well in to
swamped with mail.
None of the rest of us have received any , whichratherdefeats the point of the
list and to say the least is ratherdisappointing.Other lists work on the basis
of "post your queries to the list and
reply tothe
list" I do not know if others agree?I must admit I do not know how the
list works, in that I know that thelistowner monitors all the messages but how,
I do not know. Do theyphysically have to send each message on ? Or is it an
automaticprocess? Itseems that it is the
former if nothing appears when the listowner isaway .If it is the latter then
possibly something is not working if nothingappears.
Anyway, that means
a doubly welcome back,for yourself and to geteverythingkick started again
!!! Eve
From: Fatarm@aol.comAdd to Address Book
Date:
Tue, 20 Oct 1998 12:58:26 EDT
Subject:
[CRYAN-L] List administration explained
I guess the reaction to my quickie message last night
proves that theyarerarely effective: no,
no! I'm swamped by the mail from *other*
lists! IALWAYS read my Cryan mail first -- it's my husband's loquacious
huguenot andAm. southern roots as well as a few of the
Irish lists I'meavesdropping infor info to post here that generate too much
mail [if interested, checkoutthe General Ireland or Roscommon lists through
rootsweb]. Between themandsome inquiries
I sent round to potential subscribers to the list, I'll be busy
for a few days.
You know me, always looking for someone else to come join
us... Then add in all the great
information shared by the list in the past few weeks, and you can see a great
need to update the data files I'm keeping (to help others connect in). But perhaps it's time to explain how this
started. Literally, I
donated $24 to rootsweb so that I may host two mailing
lists and some other perks for a year, and then began the list. That's all there was to it, and anyone can
do it.
I had already been introduced to Caoimhghin (Kevin), and using his list
of researchers with email addresses I contacted many of you to see if
you would be interested in subscribing to a list. [Subscription, btw, as you probably already
know, costs nothing] And I searched
around various genealogy sites and home pages I came across for others who
might be interested in sharing research, etc.
As to
"owning" the list, as rootsweb calls it, I think it's a
misnomer. Yes,I am the only one who can
get to the list of subscribers, but that's to protect from spammers. I won't share the list, on my honor, but I'm
sure anyone getting these messages could easily
reconstruct the subscriptionlist merely by noting who posts messages. I'm more of an administrator, because I have
no control over what gets posted to this list by any subscriberand yetneed to
make sure things are going smoothly. The
messages do not go
through me first, but are automatically sent by the
rootsweb server. A great littleservice,
no? Much better than an email loop where
everyone has to keep abreast of changes in email addresses and comings and
goings. The only messages I get apart from those sent to the rest of you are
(1)subscribe/unsubscribe messages - I send a separate welcome message and try
and relay a few of the most recent emails so that newbies can jump right n; (2) spam detected and not sent on
messages; (3) misfires - messages sent to
almost the right place, but due to the fact that many
folks type like I do, sometimes don't
quite fit the protocol/address, and rootsweb is smart enough to send them on to me (I correct or send back to
sender with corrections). I maintain our
"taglines" -- those little bits after someone's email (I'm happy to
change any and all, should changes be suggested). I also receive replies to my individual
inquiries as I search the net for others to join us. Cryan-L is a "closed list", meaning
only subscribers to the list can
post to the
list. Again, this is to prevent
spamming. It's a good thing, too- I've
received 6 messages from the rootsweb server since we began saying it deterred spam. So spam is certainly trying, but we're fairly
well protected. Anyone can add or delete
themselves -- spammers just don't tend to because
it's more trouble and time than is profitable, lucky
for us! The only true administrative
"power" I have is the ability to prevent an individual subscription,
namely for preventing flamers from clogging up our
mailboxes with their nonsense [I would first
unsubscribe them then prevent theirresubscribing]. I have never used this and don't intend to
unless a sizeable portion of the subscribers request it. I'm one of those computer geeks who find
censorship rather abhorrent, nor do I see our family group as soexclusive (you
should see what I'm dealing with to have my husband's relationship to the Clan
Scott verified!!) as to deny even remotely possible relationships.
So enjoy the list.
If anyone disagrees with the format of the list, please complain. But content is not my fault, other than my own
postings ;) As to the volume, the last
few weeks have seen more volume than
probably the previous month. From newbie subscribers I've detected a lot
of enthusiasm to finally have found a forum to try out their research and to
read of others' with a similar
bent. I'm sorry if it's harder on the
folks who've been doing this a long time, but I think many of us newbies are
catching up quickly,
thanks to your advice. Lastly, sorry for being so
windy -- Leslie
Date: Tue, 20 Oct 1998 09:58:27 -0700 (PDT)
From:
Caoimhghin O Croidheain <caoimhghin@yahoo.com>Add to
Address Book Subject:
[CRYAN-L] cryan genealogies
hiThis is an
unfinished list of cryan genealogies
CRYAN GENEALOGIES
J.G. Cryan,14
Shellmoor Avenue,Patchway,Bristol BS12 6AD (6-1-97)
Andrew Cryan
(Cork, b.c1850) m. Elizabeth Lunniss (London).
Children - Arthur,
Thomas (2 daughters -never married) and Harry (3
sons, 2
survive-author and brother in Canada)
Adele Cryan,142
Woodland Drive,North Anston,Nr.Sheffield,S.Yorkshire
S31 7JT
Ggfather Patrick
Cryan(b.1880 Sligo>England) m. Bertha Fisher (7
children)
Mary Cryan
(sibling of Patrick, Sligo>US>England) m. Brian Horan.
Maggie
Cryan(sibling of Patrick, Sligo,Caracurieor Caracrurie,) m.
O'Connor (lived in
Ballina fad)
Thomas W. Cryan,66
Runyonrd.,Clifton,New Jersey 07013-2710, USA
Martin
Cryan(Carrowreagh)m.Mary Corcoran(Seafin,Cloonloo, Boyle)
Son - Thomas
William Cryan (b.12-1-89, Keash, Ballymote.>USA c.1917)
From:
Fatarm@aol.comAdd to Address Book
Date:
Tue, 20 Oct 1998 13:20:29 EDT
To:
caoimhghin@yahoo.com
Subject:
Re: Re: All received
Caoimhghin, you
really are great to share all the info.
Give me a few days to start posting it, however, because I've already
lost another day dealing with Eve's email to the list. Oy - I hate misunderstandings. She posts wonderful things to the list, but
she really doesn't seem to like me! Oh
well - it'll probably turn out that we're second cousins or something. Maybe that's what I'll wish upon her -- it'd
serve her right.
I'm the one with
the Robert, so thanks. His dates are
funky to fit with my Robert, but there were all sorts of Roberts in the papers
you sent. I'll start to sort it out
later. I'm likely to move in the next 3
months,
and am avoiding
the FHCs until I've got a more permanent address/city. I'll keep myself busy with the list until
then. I'll quick look through old email
for 11-13th Oct. No, I don't save all --
I often just separately record names,
dates, locations etc. w/ researcher's info.
I need a new print driver so I only print when I visit my parents, like
on this last trip. So some stuff I save
to print, others are justravaged for what I want. It'd be neat to do something with all this
someday, but don't have time to even think that all the way through just
now. I'm going to put together a little
something for my grandmom for Xmas, but haven't gotten
started. I'm about to enter my post-Halloween panic,
to which will be added the bonus of house hunting (with any luck) this
year. But I'mblathering now, so I'll let you go - Leslie
From:
Fatarm@aol.comAdd to Address Book
Date:
Tue, 20 Oct 1998 13:24:11 EDT
To:
caoimhghin@yahoo.com
Subject:
Collins
P.S. The MacKay book briefly touched the London
period of Collinslife, butmostly to talk about his drinking and then sobering
and getting caughtup inthe Gaelic move.
Unless of course you are referring to the treatynegotiationperiod, in which
time Collins hung out with a more British crowd. My
readinglist is
thick just now -- am reading a collection of essays about IrishNationalism c.
1989 (deals a bit with language and folklore, too,actually --I'll send the full
title and all later in case you're interested) and
CharlesStuart's
Blacklist Section H. But am looking
forward to your posting onbooks, thanks.
From: Fatarm@aol.comAdd to Address Book
Date:
Tue, 20 Oct 1998 13:25:40 EDT
To:
caoimhghin@yahoo.com
Subject:
Fwd: Celtic Genealogy Screen Saver, Links, Cregan
Attachment: Forwarded
Message
From:
Fatarm@aol.com To: cryan-L@rootsweb.com
Subject:
Celtic Genealogy Screen Saver, Links, Cregan
Date:
Tue, 13 Oct 1998 15:35:35 EDT
Yes, it's true,
you can get your own personal O'Crean screen
saver
through thesite:
www.genealogy.ie/celticorigins/screensave.html.
They also seemto have
their favorite
Link to Links type page. Below is the
hotlink (I got onemessage from a subscriber saying they got nonsense instead of
a hotlinkwhensent through rootsweb, so I'm going to put them at the bottom of
my
emailsfrom now
on).The second link I have for you is regarding the Irish Genealogical
Society,International. It connects through rootsweb, but don't be
surprised to
findit linking you
all over the web: www.rootsweb.com/~irish/Again, the hotlink is below. Is anyone subscribed to this list
amember? Iask because I saw a Crean, a
Cryan and a Cregan on one of their lists of
surname the IGSI
members are interested in. I'd love to
email members3307,3851, 2726 and 1960 just to let them know our mailing list
exists, incasethey'd be interested.
Check out
www.cpamom.com/mwc/profile.htm for information on a Creganresearcher. I've just sent off an email to invite Mr. Cregan
to joinus, butin the meantime, his page is interesting.Lastly, and I'm still
not sure of how this site is organized (but Ihave toget offline now), See
www.capecod.net/~abeagan/b1865.htm, for a fewscatteredpostings about Creaghan, Creighan, Creehan, Creenan,
Crehan. Thismight justbe what it's
titled, "Genealogy Notes".
<A
HREF="http://www.genealogy.ie/celticorigins/screensave.html">Screensaver
Names</A>
<A
HREF="http://www.rootsweb.com/~irish/">Irish Genealogy on the Web
by
IGSI
</A>
<A HREF="http://www.cpamom.com/mwc/profile.htm">About
Michael W. Cregan
</A>
<A
HREF="http://www.capecod.net/~abeagan/b1865.htm">Genealogy Notes
of
PEI
1865-1900</A>
Go Raith Maith
Agat - - "Thank You" -- for all the really great postsof late.Leslie
P.S. I lifted the gaelic thank you -- it'd serve
me right if it saidsomething about the sayer!, so if I've gotten it wrong, let
me know....
From: ljstandak@webtv.net (Lyle Staehnke)
Date:
Fri, 9 Oct 1998 09:49:03 -0700 (PDT)
Subject:
Fwd: RE: [CRYAN-L]
To:
CRYAN-L@rootsweb.com
Recent letter I
sent to A cousin in Austin Texas..And thank`s to every
one for the effort
put forth to keep us Cryan`s interested and active in
our reearch!!
From:
ljstandak@webtv.net (Lyle Staehnke)
Date: Thu, 8 Oct 1998
19:44:00 -0700 (PDT)
To:
Harvey.Wohlwend@SEMATECH.Org
Subject: RE:
[CRYAN-L]
Harvey,
=A0=A0=A0=A0First of all please ask any
question you want to,I am veryglad to find someone who is as interested in the
Cryan`s family as Iam!! I`m retired so send as many e-mail`s and question`s as
you
like,,the more the
better.. I had thought you had already read my webpage. Any way here is the url
http://members.tripod.com/~havana_2/index.html By my reconing Danialhad 14 children by two
wives (Margaret McDonagh and Mary Moran) I`vefound his name to be Danial by
many record`s.One way was in LidgerwoodN.Dak. I went to the Parish Priest a
couple year`s ago when I was backthere and asked what records they had on the
Cryan`s.They had ThomasCryan`s record of him dying august 4 1917,and listed his
dad a DanialCryan and mother as Mary "Moran" Cryan..Also I have it
recorded on thecensus of Morrisburg Canada.1851-1861-1871 and 1881 in
Stormontcounty,Ontario Canada. Michael Cryan was a brother
toAustin,Ellen,James, Thomas,Lucy and Joseph Cryan, Plus half brother toseven
older sibling`s. =A0=A0=A0=A0=A0I am just guessing he left Ireland in
1830,because MariaCryan was born in 1831 in Morrisburg Canada and he had two
childrenbefore born in Ireland,Martin born in 1823 and John whose birthdate
Idon`t know.. So it`s just a guess.. Keep asking question`s and the morethe
better, If you could see all the Photo copie`s I have it would bemuch easier to
grasp,,Lyle
From: Fatarm@aol.comAdd to Address Book Date:
Tue, 20 Oct 1998 13:29:14 EDT
To:
caoimhghin@yahoo.com Subject: Fwd: [CRYAN-L] ThomasFrom:
"Wendy Evans"
<wendyevans@bigpond.com>
Date:
Sat, 10 Oct 98 18:00:57 PDT Subject: [CRYAN-L] Thomas CRAWN/CRAUN/CRAHAN/CROUGHAN
To:
CRYAN-L@rootsweb.comHello to everyone,I thought that it was time that I
posted my family details. I havebeen
told that my ancestor had eleven variations on the spellingof his name during
his lifetime.. I have listed just a few
of them.I am looking for information on my 5xgreat grandfather Thomas
CRAWN/CRAUN/CRAHAN/CROUGHAN
(among other variationsof the name). He
was tried at Dublin in December 1791 and sentencedto 7 years
transportation. He arrived aboard the
"Boddington" in NewSouth Wales where he served most of his sentence
and was sent toNorfolk Island aboard the "Marquis Cornwallis" in May
1796. While onNorfolk Island he married
Mary MONKS who also had been tried in Dublinand sentenced to transportation and
arrived in New South Wales aboardthe"Marquis Cornwallis". She only stayed in NSW a few days and was
sent toNorfolk Island aboard the "Radiance".Thomas and Mary and five
children were sent to Van Dieman's Land(Tasmania)when the first convict
settlement on Norfolk Island was disbanded inDecember1807. They settled in New Norfolk, Van Dieman's
Land and had anothertwochildren. They
did not stay out of trouble however as Thomas wasarrestedand was tried in September
1817 for sheep stealing with his eldest sonThomasjunior.They were sentenced to
death but that was commuted to a life sentenceafter apetition was sent to the Lieutenant-Governor on their
behalf. They
were bothsent
toNewcastle and Thomas senior received his ticket of leave after he wasone
ofthoseselected to go and retrieve a government boat that had been stolen
andwreckedbyrunaway convicts. In later
years Thomas had trouble proving that hehad infact receivedhis ticket of leave
as there was some confusion over the variousspelling ofhis name.Mary was also
in trouble - once for being drunk for which she was finedfive
shillingsand
another time she was arrested for stealing a loin of pork but thiscasewas
dismissed.
Another two of
their sons - James and John - were arrested for stealingtenpigsand were
sentenced to seven years.The children of Thomas and Mary:-ThomasJames
(1798-1848) married Rebecca CoxCatherine (1802-1833) married Henry
CresswellJohn (1804-1857) married Sarah Rowley
(my line)Michael (1807-1822)David (1809-1847) married Sarah MorganOrison
(1811-?)If anybody could shed some light on this CRAWN/CRAUN etcfamily, I would
be happy to hear from you.
Wendyin
Queensland, Australiawendyevans@bigpond.com
From: ljstandak@webtv.net (Lyle Staehnke)Add
to Address Book Date: Tue, 20 Oct 1998 11:37:44 -0700 (PDT) To:
caoimhghin@yahoo.com Subject:
RE:List Oct.10.11,12
Kevin let me know
if no one has forwarded these message`s.I still have
them and will send
them if you like..
Lyle
Reply-To: "Family History" <
> From: "Family History" <
>Add to Address Book Date: Wed, 21 Oct 1998 08:48:41 +0100
Subject: [CRYAN-L] CRYAN genealogies To: CRYAN-L@rootsweb.com
Thank you for the
list of genealogies. That adds another 6 to those weknowcame from the Keash parish.
Some of these I can pick out from the Irishindexes and be more precise than
just the Boyle registration districtwithout having to obtain the
certificate.There is even one from Caracrurie - could that by any chance
beCarrowcrory?Thanks again, Caoimghin, regards Eve
Reply-To: "Family History" <
> From: "Family History" <
>Add to Address Book Date: Wed, 21 Oct 1998 10:01:52 +0100
Subject: [CRYAN-L] Irish History book To: CRYAN-L@rootsweb.com
Hello again,I just
had to pass on this which ,having seen in a family historylibrary,have found in
a local bookshop.Atlas of Irish History, ed by Sean Duffy, published by Gill
andMacmillanprice £9.99 in UK probably less than $20 in USA ISBN 0 7171 2479 7It is ideal for those
wanting a comprehensive but visual history ofIrelandas a whole. There is very
little about individual places. As an atlasit isfull of maps rater than
explanations from very early times, campaigns,movements of people, tribal areas
and much more. I am just going topick itup so will say more when I have read
some of it (yes, there is also anarrative).
There is also a
great tome , which I would have liked but postage pluscostwould be prohibitive
for one book. You may get it more easily in theUSA ormay find it in a
library.Irish Records - Sources for Family History and Local History -
JamesRyanpublished by Ancestry Publishing PO box 476 Salt Lake City, UT
84110ISBN 0 916489 22 1or for those in
Ireland from Flyleaf Press , 4 Spencer Villas,Glenageary,Co Dublin. phone
0-806228cost about $50 or at least £20 - not sure of current prices.Until
again, take care everyone Eve
From: "Anthony & Jill
Cryan" <cryanaj@ozemail.com.au>Add to Address Book
Organization: The Adjutant's Desk Date: Wed, 21 Oct 1998 21:12:45 +1000
Reply-to: cryanaj@ozemail.com.au Subject: [CRYAN-L] [Repost] Hello and
Cryans in the American Civil
War.. To: CRYAN-L@rootsweb.com
I sent the
following when the list first started, so I thought I'd sendit
again.....TC------- Forwarded Message Follows -------Date sent: Fri, 21 Aug 1998 23:00:17 +1000
Hi FolksTony Cryan
from Australia here - I'm still pottering around a bit asconcerns "The
Family Tree" so please
excuse....I've gone back as far as my GGG Domnick (m. Catherine Cauly (Cawley
<sp>)) - he was a Farmer from Gurteen Sligo I believe. I am very eager to
find out more about Domnick, as I only know for
sure that he had a son and daughter (Thomas <bn Gurteen, Sligo Ire 1854> arr
Aust approx 1877 - I can trace from Thomas onwards) and Sarah - bn 24
March 1866 Sligo, Gurteen District). Assistance from Eve < > at this time causes me to surmise that
the elusive GGG "Domnick" appears
to be one that died in 1892 aged 90 at Boyle (no. 4.83) thereby born 1802 - but I
have not confirmed this.
Has any one else
found a Domnick in their travels ?Now to the ACW:
I have subscribed
to the ACW database on the Web and fed
in Cryan - 4 came up on the Union army: Patrick - A Co MA 9th Infantry - (1862 to 1863)
Thomas and Michael - M Co RI 3rd Heavy
Artillery (1862 to 1865) I was already
aware of (thanks to those who helped - I'm not at my files so please forgive me
for not
mentioning you
directly) - John - enlisted C CoNJ 11th Infantry (Deserted enroute to Regt June
1864). A little
more info was
contained (County, Company, Ranks, Transfers etc) with each. With the
Confederate parameter - the result
amazed me with a return of a Donnick Cryan who joined the 49th GA Infantry, transferred to the
gunboat CSS Chicora and then was a POW
(a side note indicates the entry could be Donnick or Dominick..... )Has any one
traced these folk back to Ireland ?
I'm eager to find
out if any of the ACW Cryan's are related to "my"Domnick, though without a full list of his (Dom from
Sligo) children,siblings or parents it's difficult. (Actually I would be
interested inanymaterial concerning Cryans in Military History - in particular
prior to1900).ThanksTC
AnthonyCryanTheAdjutant's
Deskadjutant@ozemail.com.auhttp://www.ozemail.com.au/~adjutant/adjutant.html
From: Fatarm@aol.comAdd to Address Book Date:
Wed, 21 Oct 1998 21:24:22 EDT
Subject: [CRYAN-L] Cryan Mailing
List Archive
To:
CRYAN-L@rootsweb.com
For those with an
interest to see what was discussed before theysubscribed,who have had a
computer crash, or just wish to go back and re-livedelightfulO'Crean postings
come some rainy day, please know that there
is a(somewhat) searchable
archive available.
It's limited in power and it didn'tbegin untilwe'd sent maybe 10 or so
messages, but you can check it out at the belowhotlink or the
following:http://www.rootsweb.com/rootsweb/members/archives.htmlYes, our words
have been recorded -- it's a little complicated tofollow alongthe retrieval
instructions, but it can be done. I was
able to pull up
message20, but nothing under message #10, so the
archive must have kicked insometimebetween (it's just as well -- the first few messages were just
me and mybrother testing out the list to make sure it worked). And since theCryanswere the next people on
the list, and they've re-posted in the pastmonth Ibelieve, basically all the
info previously shared through the list isaccessible. I haven't tried out the search feature -- if
someone does,pleaselet me know if you have success or failure.Caoimhghin O
Croidhein (Kevin Cryan) has kindly sent me some things togetposted to the list
as time allows. I'm going to start
tonight, so look
forsome of these
items. They don't just pertain to
Cryans, as Caoimhghinis avery thorough researcher and has picked up a little
here and there thatshouldplease everyone on the list. So stay tuned for more excitement ....Leslie
<A HREF="http://www.rootsweb.com/rootsweb/members/archives.html">Search
Features Available
for a RootsWeb MailinÉ</A>
From: Fatarm@aol.comAdd to Address Book Date:
Wed, 21 Oct 1998 21:24:56 EDT
Subject:
[CRYAN-L] Cryan Mailing List Archive
To: CRYAN-L@rootsweb.com
From: Fatarm@aol.comAdd to Address Book Date:
Wed, 21 Oct 1998 21:53:32 EDT
Subject:
[CRYAN-L] The Kerryman: Review of 1911 Controversy Involving William Cryan, Caoimhghin's
Granddad To: CRYAN-L@rootsweb.com
Caoimhghin kindly
sent a copy of a recent (Friday, Sept 25, 1998)articlepublished in The
Kerryman, and here it is:
When Saving a
Drowning Man Leads to Controversy:
A TALE of heroism,
deceit and slander involving the rescue of adrowningman at Cahersiveen unfolded
in the pages of The Kerryman 87 years ago.
The Kerryman's letters page was ablaze with fiery comments which
noeditorwould allow to be published today.
At the centre of the story was William Cryan, a young law clerk
wholivedin Cahersiveen, and who later became an intimate friend of
MichaelCollins. While preparing for a
swim at Cobbler's Rock at Cahersiveen inSeptember1911, he noticed a man in
distress in the river and together withanother man,swam to his rescue. When an article in The Kerryman described
the dramatic rescue, ananonymousperson wrote in to complain that a certain
Daniel Mangan had not been
creditedfor his
part in the rescue. Letters began to
flock in to The Kerryman for and against Mangan,
and theeditor
finally had to declare the matter was closed.
The original article said: "A young man named Timothy Morley
enteredthewater, and swimming out at a distance became exhausted, and when
about
toretreat was
unable to combat with the strong current prevailing at thetime." William Cryan and Patrick Colbert heard
Morley's cries for help. "They atonce divested themselves of their
clothing and plunging into the waterswamtowards the drowning man. Morley was unconscious at this stage,
andCryanseized him by the hand, it being the only part of his body then
abovethewater." The rescuers
brought Morley back to the shore. It is
at this stagethatDaniel Mangan and 'M Walsh, Draper' enter the story. "When they reached the shore they
appeared to be in an exhaustedcondition.With the help of Messrs D Mangan and M
Walsh the rescued man was takenfromthe water to the bank in a very critical
condition, but after a littlewhileregained consciousness. "Great credit is due to Messrs Wm Cryan
and Patrick Colbert, whoplayedsuch a heroic part in the rescuing of this
unfortunate man, who nodoubt wouldhave lost his life were it not for them. "It is to be hoped that the matter will
be brought under the noticeof theRoyal Humane Society and that it will deserve
the recognition of theCarnegieHero Fund."
The next week a letter appeared from 'A Looker On' claiming thearticle
wasinaccurate and garbled, calling William Cryan's heroism into
question,andstating that Daniel Mangan had helped William Cryan in the
rescue'without amoment's hesitation'.
Now at this stage it would be fair to assume that the anonymouswriter
wasnone other than Daniel Mangan himself, particularly when the
letterstatedthat: "It would be quite out of place for the Royal Humane
Society ortheCarnegie Hero Fund to heed or take any interest whatsoever in
thematter."Could Daniel Mangan have been jealous of William Cryan? The next week a letter then arrived from M
Walsh, Draper, claimingthatMangan had been less than willing to help. "Mr D C Mangan refused togo tothe
rescue, " he stated. The 'Looker
On' took offence and wrote back, calling M Walsh'sintelligenceinto account and
saying 'the writer must have been suffering from anightmare'. The 'Looker On' said Mangan had been 'falsely
accused ofcowardice'. However, it seems
that the 'Looker On' was not, after all, DanielMangan,as the following week a
letter arrived from Mangan himself. He
was notparticularly pleased at the allegations being made against him. "Whilst I do not crave for honour, yet
I feel it only fair to saythat Mr.Walsh who professes to be a gentleman, should
not sign lying statementsconcocted by somebody else for publication, Mangan
wrote. "I knows aswell as
I do that I did
not refuse to render assistance in every way possible." But that wasn't the end of the matter. M Walsh wrote a final letterto TheKerryman,
in which said Daniel Mangan definitely refused to help. "He
refusedand said
'What a nice thing I would do; he might drown me,' Walsh wrote. A note from the editor put an end to the
matter. "Thiscorrespondence isnow
closed.-Ed.K." In the end, William
Cryan did receive a certificate saying heassisted insaving a life. Cryan had been born in Mid[blur]ton, Co. Cork
in 1891,
andcame to
Cahersiveen when he was 17. He was later
attached to theMarconiCompany in the early days of wireless telegraphy and was
at sea for manyyears. He became a member
of the Army Signal Corps when the Irish Armywasformed.----------Caoimhghin,
does your family still have the certificate?
What a greatstory.
Did you granddad
ever discuss it?
From: Fatarm@aol.comAdd to Address Book Date:
Wed, 21 Oct 1998 22:56:07 EDT
Subject:
[CRYAN-L] Forgive this 'I-forget-who-asked' posting To:
CRYAN-L@rootsweb.com
but someone
mentioned to me that they were interested in the IrelandBookdiscussion group
(was it you, Pat in Boston?). Anyways,
someone elseon thelist may be interested as well. Here's the heading:
IRELAND-BOOK-DISCUSSION-L-request@rootsweb.com. Same as Cryan-L, you just email with the word
"subscribe"
as the sole message content.
From: Fatarm@aol.comAdd to Address Book Date:
Wed, 21 Oct 1998 23:17:19 EDT Subject: CRYAN-L] Irish Times,
"Where's That" Article 1995
To: CRYAN-L@rootsweb.com
This is for all of
us, again courtesy of Caoimhghin. It
fits perfectlywithour ongoing research into the variations of O'Crean etc. and
(withtongue incheek) the family motto.
Enjoy (and thank Kevin for the info!):
[reproducedin
full]
Where's ThatIrish
Times, p. 23, 29-5-1995
Ballinvilla 1087
It is related that when a priest asked a
child if she wouldrecognise Jesusif she met him on the road she readily replied
that she would. 'Andhow wouldshe
recognise Him?' the priest curiously enquired. 'He would,' repliedthechild, 'be
wearing His heart on His shirt!' We
cannot say what it wasaboutthe first person to be given the surname 'O
Croidheain' (from croi,heart).Was it his Christ-like sanctity? Or was he a
hearty person - 'juinecrofuil',or was he the treasure of someone's heart, as in
'a stor mo chroi'?'Nil fhiosagainn.' O
Croidheain formed a minor sept of the 'Cinel Eoghain' in Co.Donegal, with a
branch in Co. Sligo. Persons named (O)
Crean, (O)Creane,Creaghan, Crehan, (O) Cryan, Cryans, Cregan or Creegan, may
beoriginally 'O
Croidhein' -- but
then again they may not. This surname
usually tookthe formCrehan in Co.s Clare and Galway, with Crean, Grean and even
Graham inCo.Mayo. Crean today is mostly found
in Munster, though in most cases inCosKerry and Cork it may more correctly be
from 'O Corraidhin', usuallyanglicised Curreen.
A further complication was that 'O Corrain',usuallyanglicised Curran,
was sometimes changed to Crean. Cregan
and Creeganderivefrom 'O Croidheagain', a different surname. 'Annala Rioghachta Eireann'/Annals of the
Four Masters notes thedeaths ofDonnell O Craidhin and Henry O Craidhin in 1506
and 1572 respectively. TheAnnals provide the unusual information regarding the
occupations ofthese two.The former was 'a pious and conscientious merchant, died
while hearingMass inDonegal', and the latter was 'a rich and affluent merchant
of LowerConnaught'. A Fiant of Edward VI
of 1546 notes the grant to BaptistCrean ofSlegaugh ('Sligeach', Sligo), of a
fee of 12d sterling a day for life.Elizabeth Fiants list pardons to Donald
sallagh O Crahyn of Balyglyhan,CoLimerick in 1576; to William O Croyne of
Cloynecasleyne, Co Galway in
1585; toAndrew and
John O Crean, gentlemen of Ormond and Connaught in 1585; toWalterO Crean of
Sligo in the same year; to Richard O Creayn of Sligo in1593; toTeig and Shane O
Crean of Keanturke in 1601, and to Walter O Creane --apparently of Donegal, in
1602/3. Keanturke, not Kinturk,
namestownlands inCos Clare, Monaghan, Tyrone and in the Co Galway parish of
Ballyhean. Thislatter we take was the home of Teig and Shane in 1601. The 1659 Census lists John Craine among the
Tituladoes of Shandon intheLiberties of Cork city, and Symon Crane was a Co
Meath Commissioner ofthe1661 Poll-Money Ordinance. This pair however may have borne the Englishsurname
Crane which belongs to the nickname category of surnames.
These
are'descriptive of an ancestor's face, figure, temper, morals, taste,clothes
andthe rest'. The ancestor of the
English Cranes was 'skinny andlonglegged likea crane'. All things considered it would not be
difficult to choosethe Irishsurname.
Among the 1654-58 transplanters from other counties to the Co Mayobarony
of Costello, were
Andrew and Agnes Crean, Annagh, Co Sligo, sent to CoMayo'sparish of Annagh
where they were to receive 600 acres.
Julian Crean,also ofCo Sligo's Annagh, was to receive 634 acres in the
same place. Additionallyhe was to get 200 acres in the Co Galway parish of
Dunmore. John Creanof CoSligo, was to
get 100 acres in the Co Galway parish of Belclare. Taylor &Skinners 1778
'Maps of the Roads of Ireland' shows Crean Esq., atBallybeg inthe Co Mayo
parish of Annagh. The 1814 Directory
Lists Mr. StephenCrain atCartera, Ballinasloe, and Joseph Crane, Esq.,
Ballinvilla, both in CoGalway.BALLINVILLA, Co Mayo, the 1814 residence of the
above Joseph Crain,Esq., wasin 1876 the home of A L Crean, where he had 731
acres. In the samecountyThomas Crean,
Ballina, had a modest two acres. 'OnomasticonGoedelicum'
givesBallinvilla in the Co Roscommon parish of Killumod as deriving from'Baile
anBhealaigh', 'the town of the way or pass.'___________
note: for some
reason either specific to AOL or the web in generalaccentsdon't travel well
with my emails (think of my surname, Poche', andyou'llrealize I have reason to
know), so please forgive my omittance of the
propergaelic
spellings. No author is listed, and I
wish I knew more about who composed thisdescription. It doesn't totally jive with MacLysaght, does
it?
From: Julie_Case@prodigy.com (MS JULIA M
CASE)Add to Address Book Date:
Wed, 21 Oct 1998 21:52:10, -0500 Subject: RootsWeb Review, Vol. 1, No. 19 To:
RootsWeb-Review@rootsweb.com
ROOTSWEB &
PINE MOUNTAIN CLUB or WHERE IN HECK IS FRAZIER PARK?
by Karen Isaacson and Brian
Leverich
Walt Scott
commented in a recent letter to the editors: "When onesees Frazier Park as
an address -- shake, rattle, and roll comesto mind and skiing some times of the
year. . . I was surprised tofind a 'World Class' genealogy site where you . . .
reside."Walt knows that Frazier Park, California, is a small town aboutan
hour north of Los Angeles near Interstate 5, but many of ourreaders might not.
And actually, RootsWeb isn't in Frazier Parkat all, it's in an outlying
community (suburb would sound sillyin this context) called Pine Mountain Club
about 20 miles west,tucked into the mountains.
But the post office thinks we're inFrazier Park, so that's our address.
(To further confound things,the telephone company thinks we're in Lebec. Go
figure.)
So, what's
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most folk have never heardabout? And what's Pine Mountain Club like, anyhow?The
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The town is 5,000
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Washington (hi, Mom!, hiDad!), with a tele-commutable job in the Los Angeles
area, thetrees and fresh air and the four seasons made Pine Mountain Clubsound
like a little bit of heaven. Up we came.Brian says this is boring. He's
probably right. I feel happy justlooking at the trees and birds and, well, just
being here. Butmaybe you'd have to be here to appreciate that. (Some of
youare.) So let's let Brian have the floor: "Karen left out all
thesatisfaction of the pioneering lifestyle, chasing bears out ofthe dumpsters,
'coons out of the dog food, coyotes out of thebird food (it's a long story),
and mice out of everything.Roughing it with no Chinese restaurant within 60
miles. Four-wheel-driving it in and out as our only road slipped down
themountain or had the mountain fall on it."And the joys of trying to keep
a major Internet site running inthis environment, which range from the sublime
(sleeping-baggingit in a freezing-cold NOC to keep the generator fueled) to theridiculous
(having our data lines cross-wired into the onlybakery within an hour's drive).
At least you could get the only56.6Kb donuts in the world right here at Pine
Mountain Club."Anyhow, Brian and I aren't the only techno-refugees up here
onthe hill. An interesting place like this, not that far from LosAngeles, has
brought together a number of kindred spirits, two ofwhom, Scott and Barbara
Rosen, founded Frazier Mountain InternetService (FMIS). RootsWeb's first access
to the Internet was aserver co-located in the FMIS Network Operations Center
(NOC). Asyou might guess from some of the more recent messages in theRootsWeb
Review, we now have servers in other NOCs, some as faraway as the new one in
Anaheim. They probably don't have to worryabout bears in their garbage cans
down there.
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GEEK SPEAK. Thanks
to Dale ("Doc") Schneider for transmitting the
following item,
which was written by and is published with the
permission of
Leigh Compton <lcompton@onramp.net>.
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CGI SCRIPTS -- Web
servers easily deliver prepared pages andgraphics on demand, but with HTML
documents, the server can onlyprovide those documents which have been
specifically prepared bythe webmaster and placed on the server. Webmasters need
a way tohave HTML pages created dynamically, based upon input supplied bythe
user at the browser. That's the role of CGI scripts.
CGI stands for
Common Gateway Interface, which provides anenvironment for executing programs
on the Web server to processthe input data and create a Web page in response.
CGI scripts canbe written in just about any programming language, but the
mostpopular are Perl, C, C++, and Java.
Common tasks often
handled by CGI scripts are bulletin boards,database searches, processing forms,
displaying catalog contents,and even shopping carts.
All webmasters at
RootsWeb have access to the MailMerge andimagemap programs. The RootsWeb
Surname List, GenConnect, SurnameHelper, RootsWeb HelpDesk, and the Mailing
List Archive SearchEngine are all CGI-based Web applications.
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CONNECTING THROUGH
ROOTSWEB: Thanks for sharing your stories.
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Through my
involvement on the Chester County, Pennsylvania,Quaker, and Mahoning County,
Ohio lists, and through queries to county Web pages, I've "met" seven
cousins and many non-relativeswho have been exceedingly helpful and generous
with their ownresearch. With their help I now have substantial information onthree
direct lines, one going clear back to the 1400s. The firstcousin contacted me
after my initial query about where I mightfind a copy of our family's history
and genealogy which wascompiled and published by my ggg-uncle in 1885. This
cousin sentme some preliminary information and put me in contact withanother
cousin who had the book. That cousin sent me wonderfulinformation about my
maternal grandfather's line and gave me apublishing source to get a copy of the
book. I ordered copies forseveral family members, and they were presented at a
familyreunion this summer, along with a 12-generation family tree Iprinted out
from all the data I'd been able to gather. Just sixmonths ago I had no
information beyond my grandparents'generation. It was quite a revelation
suddenly to learn of ourvery well-documented Quaker roots. I thank the many
genealogistswho did primary research and so carefully documented their workand
published their findings, and those still at work, sogenerous in sharing their
data. There is still a lot for me to
do, but how much
fun it is, this addictive research.When I was looking for the location of a
church graveyard wheremany of my ancestors rest, several people put me in touch
withpeople they knew near that town. I learned that the church roofhad recently
blown off in a storm and narrowly missed theheadstones in the graveyard. One of
the kind folks who contactedme was a high school teacher who had the summer off
and livednear the graveyard. He even offered to drive my elderly familymembers
from another county to the site. Talk about nice people! The most meaningful contact I've made
through RootsWeb, besides
that with my
cousins, happened [recently] in response to a queryfor information about my
mother who died when I was one. Ireceived a response from a woman my own age
who had grown up onthe very street where my mother lived. This woman asked
hermother if she remembered my family. She not only remembered them
but had known my
mother from childhood until her death. She wasable to tell me through her
remembrances a bit about what mymother was like as a person. What a precious
gift to find someone
who knew a
deceased family member so well. Thanks for making
these contacts
possible. You've got a faithful subscriber in me.
K. Kleeh
<kbybay@earthlink.net>
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PUBLISHING YOUR HISTORY ON
CD
by Brian Bonner Mavrogeorge
<bmavrogeorge@palladium.net>
At our BONNER reunion this year I was given the task
of producing
a family history for the year 2000 reunion. Of course
once the
"volunteer" had been chosen, each cousin had
his or her own idea
of what the history should contain. As they described
their
visions of our history, they mentioned the photos,
videos, audio
tapes, certificates, and other items they had hidden
away and
wanted to share. How could we create something that
would
encompass all of our "history"? It didn't
seem the traditional
printed history would do.
The solution I proposed was to publish our history on
a CD using
the same type of technology used for Web sites. This
approach
will accommodate all the text we would need for a
family history
with the standard journal report and box charts. It
lets us
include photos of individuals, events, and places as
well as
audio tapes. Various cousins volunteered to scan in
photos and
images of Bible pages, graduation certificates, and
mementos. The
only software needed to view our family history will
be an
Internet browser -- Netscape or Microsoft Internet
Explorer.
Several commercial and shareware utilities can
generate Web
pages. You can even use Word for Windows to create
text in the
special format needed. The latter is a brute-force
method, bound
to inspire those with lots of time for typing and
tweaking HTML
code. While these products are good for creating Web
pages, they
are not really designed for genealogy Web sites. I
chose to use
the built-in ability of Ultimate Family Tree (UFT) to
create a
complete Web site, since it will automatically
incorporate the
genealogy data I have already entered.
Usually you create a Web page, with graphics and
images, in
Ultimate Family Tree and then upload it to Palladium's
free home
page
<http://www.uftree.com/UFT/Nav/familyWebpagesview.html>. You
can, however, choose the option to create the pages
for your own
site and that is what the CD actually is. It is a
representation
on the CD of a Website which is read/viewed by the
browser.
When the cousins have scanned in all the images of
people,
places, events, and family mementos, in UFT I will
link each of
the images to the appropriate person, place, or event.
Then when
UFT creates the HTML code, it will automatically
include those
images for me. It will create the code in a series of
files on my
hard drive. We are also going to include a special
"family
gallery" with family images that cousins can view
and copy into
their own family history creations.
Once UFT has created the Web site and the gallery is
complete, I
will copy the entire file structure onto a CD using a
CD burner
and the appropriate CD software (I will use Toast).
The CDs can
be easily replicated, and we intend to include a CD in
each
invitation to the "Bonner 2000" family
reunion. The recipient
will invoke her or his browser program, point it to
the index.htm
file on the CD and then explore our history.
Not everything will make the final product. You can
transform
videos and films into QuickTime format and
"play" them with an
add-on for a browser. But the QuickTime files would be
very
large. (By the year 2000, DVD disks may be in wide use
and be an
option.) The conversion process also would take
considerable
time. I love my cousins dearly, but if I have to
choose between
four days of work converting a video tape to QuickTime
or four
days in the basement of a courthouse doing research,
the
courthouse will win.
For another example of publishing a history on a CD,
check out
Ultimate Family Tree's <http://www.uftree.com>
Family Tutor
series of genealogy multimedia tutorials. The
techniques used for
breaking content into sections, incorporating sound
files, and
displaying "moving" images in collages, are
easily done in your
own family history CD.
HUMOR. Our thanks
to Amy Dean <adean@titan.cc.emory.edu>, who
sent us this story
18 months ago (23 Apr 1997) with advice she'd
received it from
several sources, Bruce Anderson II among them.
YEAR 2000 (Y2K) PARABLE
submitted by Penny Pennington
There was once a
COBOL programmer in the mid to late 1900s. For
the sake of this
story, we'll call him Jack. After years of being
taken for granted
and treated as a technological dinosaur by all
the UNIX
programmers and Client/Server programmers and Web site
developers, Jack
was finally getting some respect. He'd become a
private consultant
specializing in Year 2000 conversion. He was
working short-term
assignments for prestigious companies,
traveling all over
the world on different assignments. He was
working 70 and 80
and even 90 hour weeks, but it was worth it.
Several years of
this relentless, mind-numbing work had taken its
toll on Jack. He
had problems sleeping and began having anxiety
dreams about the
year 2000. It had reached a point where even the
thought of the
year 2000 made him nearly violent. He must have
suffered some sort
of breakdown, because all he could think about
was how he could
avoid the year 2000 and all that came with it.
Jack decided to
contact a company that specialized in cryogenics.
He made a deal to
have himself frozen until March 15, 2000. This
was a very
expensive process and totally automated. He was
thrilled. The next
thing he would know is he'd wake up in the
year 2000; after
the New Year celebrations and computer debacles;
after the leap
day. Nothing else to worry about except getting on
with his life.
He was put into
his cryogenic receptacle, the technicians set the
revive date, he
was given injections to slow his heartbeat to a
bare minimum, and
that was that.
The next thing
that Jack saw was an enormous and very modern room
filled with
excited people. They were all shouting, "I can't
believe it!"
and "It's a miracle!" and "He's alive!" There were
cameras (unlike
any he'd ever seen) and equipment that looked
like it came out
of a science fiction movie.
Someone who was
obviously a spokesperson for the group stepped
forward. Jack
couldn't contain his enthusiasm. "It is over?" he
asked. "Is
2000 already here? Are all the millennial parties and
promotions and
crises all over and done with?"
The spokesman
explained that there had been a problem with the
programming of the
timer on Jack's cryogenic receptacle, it
hadn't been year
2000 compliant. It was actually 8,000 years
later, not the
year 2000. But the spokesman told Jack that he
shouldn't get
excited; someone important wanted to speak to him.
Suddenly, a
wall-sized projection screen displayed the image of a
man who looked
very much like Bill Gates. This man was Prime
Minister of Earth.
He told Jack not to be upset. That this was a
wonderful time to
be alive. That there was world peace and no
more starvation.
That the space program had been reinstated and
there were
colonies on the moon and on Mars. That technology had
advanced to such a
degree that everyone had virtual reality
interfaces which
allowed them to contact anyone else on the
planet, or to
watch any entertainment, or to hear any music
recorded anywhere.
"That sounds
terrific," said Jack. "But, I'm curious. Why is
everybody so
interested in me?"
"Well,"
said the Prime Minister, "The year 10,000 is just around
the corner, and it
says in your files that you know COBOL."
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From: "Michael Tobin"
<tobinmi@hotmail.com>Add to Address Book
Date: Thu, 22 Oct 1998
05:14:23 PDT Subject: [CRYAN-L]
Wandering around Keash To: CRYAN-L@rootsweb.com
Hello there,I was
up in Co. Sligo at the weekend and visited a 2nd cousin of my mother's who
lives in Keash, within sight of the famous caves of Keash. I did not acquire
any new information in relation to my research as I have been in touch with him
a few times before. However, it was the first time that I had time to see some
of the scenery in Keash and it was impressive.Just to set the scene, Keash
mountain (known as Keash Corann) and the Bricklieve montains are in the middle
of relatively low-lying land and are the highest points for many miles around.
We went for a drive through the mountains and the views from the mountain are
fantastic. At one point on the mountain, you can see 4 counties - Donegal, Sligo (of course), Leitrim and
Mayo.You can clearly see Knocknarae mountain which is near Strandhill, onthe
top of which sits Queen Maeve's grave. Queen Maeve was Queen ofConnacht
hundreds of years ago. In the Keash mountains themselves, there are at least 4
similar graves to Queen Maeve's. I don't know who is buried there - but it must
be people of significance as each grave is right at the top of a mountain peak.
There is a nice lake, Lough Leibhe, buried in a valley in the middle of the
mountains.We stopped at the old Toomour church at the foot of the mountain.Legend
has it that 4 High-Kings of Ireland are buried here. The church is in ruins and
mostly overgrown. The graves are known to locals but are not marked. I don't
know if any of you ever heard of Cormac Mac Art, a legendary High-King of
Ireland - well, local folklore is that he was reared by wolves in the caves of
Keash Corann.A local comittee in Keash are working on a history of the area and
expect to publish
it in about 12 months time. When it is available, hopefully I will be able to
post details of how to order it here.RegardsMichael
Reply-To: "Family History" <
> From: "Family History" <
>Add to Address Book Date: Thu, 22 Oct 1998 13:39:49 +0100 Subject:
[CRYAN-L] Re Wandering in Keash To: CRYAN-L@rootsweb.com
Hi Michael,Thank
you so much.It sounds lovely. However well one reads a map on cannotreplace a
description. I look foreward to the book, there must be muchmore.As I have said
before my family folklore has it that during /after thefamine my lot were
involved in a government experiment (to diversify thecrops) to grow tobacco (of
all things) . It failed as these things do ,theland did not support all the
family so my lot left and worked in thetobaccoindustry in Liverpool. It could
well be fiction to cloak other reasonsforemigrating. But if you ever get the
chance perhaps you could ask the"localhistorians". Perhaps those at
the scene of the event might have had awhiffof tobacco.until again , take care
Eve
From: Fatarm@aol.comAdd to Address Book Date:
Thu, 22 Oct 1998 12:29:08 EDT Subject: [CRYAN-L] Tom Crean and Ireland's Polar
Stars To: CRYAN-L@rootsweb.com
>From the RTE
Guide, 20-Dec-1996, again thanks to Caoimhghin:[in full]
Special
Series: Ireland's Polar Stars
Down in Annascaul
in Kerry you can buy a drink in The South Pole Inn. Behindthe name lies a tale
of pure heroism, idealism and derring-do that'llnevercome our way again. Or not quite...Joe Duffy has the story and it's
a great one to hear at the cold turnof theyear.
It's told over two programmes, just as a small group of Irishmensetsail
into the Antarctic summer in a 23-foot replica wooden lifeboat. Theiraim? To commemorate the litle-known deeds of two
Irish polar heroes. Joeexplains:"Ernest Shackleton was of Anglo-Irish
stock, the kind you'd expect toend upas an explorer. Tom Crean was a countryman
from Annascaul who ran away andjoined the Navy.
Crean ended up the last man on board Robert Scott'sship forthe Pole, but
Scott didn't pick him for the fatal polar run.
He wasyoung andhad tremendous stamina; he might have made all the
difference. At anyrate hewas the first
to discover the party frozen in their tent eight monthslater."Two years
later Crean joined Shackleton for a cross-Antarcticexpedition.Their ship
*Endurance* became ice-bound for a year with no aid coming(WWI wasin full
fettle). A crew of six (three of them
Irish) took to the hugesouthern seas in a lifeboat in an extraordinary
mid-winter rescue runto SouthGeorgia; and Crean, Shackleton and one other man
went on to cross theislandand reach help.
They succeeded -- and all 47 crewmen were saved. Creanreturned to Annascaul and opened the
so-fittingly named pub [South PoleInn].The bravery medals he was awarded
actually saved Crean's life duringthe Blackand Tan era: a
stranger-than-fiction story told on the programme.Talking to Joe are the crew
of the commemorative expedition and membersofCrean's family. Archives include an *Endurance* survivor's
accountand, from1909, courtesy of a phonograph company, the voice of Ernest
Shackleton.___________Sounds like a great radio program. I'd be happy to send a copy of thepagethis
description comes from to anyone interested (email me with your
snailmail address)
-- sorry, no scanner. It has a picture of
Crean, hisInn, andthe replica lifeboat.
Date: Thu, 22 Oct 1998 21:49:56 -0400
(EDT) From: simone samuel
<amethyst@inch.com>Add to Address Book Subject: [CRYAN-L] corrections and minutiae To:
CRYAN-L@rootsweb.com
Hi all interested, Today I got some new hearsay info on my
branch of the Crehan family.AllI have done with regard to genealogy in the last
month is read this listand look up "genealogy" on my college
library's computer catalog when aclass was cancelled; this comes from a lunch
my mother had with sistersand sister-in-law.
For many years I have thought that my great grandmother was
MargaretO'Donoghue Crehan, with a Walsh somewhere in her line. My
mother'smemorywavers a lot but I never questioned this because she was certain.
Well,she's certain now that her grandmother was *Catherine* something Crehan.No
other sister ever thought differently, although her brother andsister-in-law
named their daughter Margaret after her. And her maidennamewas either Logan or
Walsh. Apparently someone told my mother thatO'Donoghues in a long ago obituary
were her grandmother's Bronxiancousins, and my mother assumed that this must be
her grandmother'smaiden name. This is why I need to start interviewingother
family members and investing money if I really want to find stuffout. She's not
even a Crehan by blood, but it was the biggest thing Ifound out today and you
never know what someone will make a connectionwith. I also found out that my grandfather, Arthur
Crehan, had brothersnamedLawrence and James, which brings the total of names we
know in thatfamilyto ten (others are Augustine (Augustus?,) John, Catherine,
Helen, Julia,Mary, and Margaret.) My
aunt-in-law who was in Roscommon in the 80s with my uncle says thatthe Crehans
she met were all Creans, and they knew of our branch of thefamily so maybe we
were without the 'h' back in Ireland. Never surewithout actually putting some
research in, though. It's just niceknowingI may have a closer connection to
more of the list members than Ithought.I also learned that my
great-grandparents met and married in the US.
Finally, the pastor of my aunt-in-law's parish showed her grown son
anold photo which looked, they said, exactly like his 13-year-old son.Thenthe
priest told him that this boy's name was Crehan. My cousin wasinterested enough
in this to tell the story at home, but not to ask thepriest what the boy's
first name had been. So, some male Crehan is intherecords of St. Rose of Lima
Catholic elementary school in Brooklyn, NYfrom 1916.Totally amateur,Theresa
Mary