(Big)     O'Connell, Maurice      house, office & garden: 0.2.23  1.5.0

 

11. Kerry         Cahersiveen & Killarney           Iveragh Caher   Reenard           5a        McCrohan,

Timothy            O'Connell, Maurice      house, office & land: 65.1.17    23.10.0

 

12. Kerry         Cahersiveen & Killarney           Iveragh Caher   Reenard           8          McCrohan,

Daniel

(Tim)    O'Connell, Maurice      house & land: part of 34.2.33 (shared with

Daniel

McCrohan (Denis))      5.8.0

 

13. Kerry         Cahersiveen & Killarney           Iveragh Caher   Reenard           8          McCrohan,

Daniel

(Denis) O'Connell, Maurice      land: part of 34.2.33 (shared with Daniel

McCrohan

(Tim))   3.6.0

 

14. Kerry         Cahersiveen & Killarney           Iveragh Caher   Reenard           9          McCrohan,

Daniel

(Denis) O'Connell, Maurice      house, office & land: 32.1.29    8.5.0

 

Notes: 

Beginish Island: total "lots" [my choice of word, not Griffiths]described: 4[with lots of a, b, c type subdivisions]; total area of island= 217.1.32a.r.p.; Under "lot" 2c, Stephen Fitzgerald, elsewhere on the island

alwayslisted as the Immediate Lessor, is listed as the occupier (of anoffice) andhis immediate lessor is Nathaniel C. Bland.  Mr. Bland is listed as thesoleimmediate lessor of Lamb Island, Church Island and Foughel Island.  Ithinkthis is a pretty good indicator that he probably was 'the man' ofBeginishIsland, too.  Nathaniel Bland and Maurice O'Connell are the two primaryimmediate lessors listed for Letter.

     I think this [the Beginish Island listing] is an excellent exampleof thetiered lessors/tenants found in Ireland in this period.  Griffith'sValuationmade no attempt to find the actual OWNER of the land, just theoccupiers and"immediate" lessors -- occupiers often rented out their lands, andimmediatelessors often were in fact renters or land agents.  I think theMcCrohans onBeginish dealt more immediately (not meaning to overuse the word) withStephenFitzgerald, but in actuality were paying Mr. Bland.  Or, I could be

wrong :).Just a thought.     Also on Beginish Island: you said there were presently two familiesliving there?  There were 6 houses with possible additional buildingspresentin 1852.  Send me your snail mail address, and I'll make a copy of mypage ofnotes (a mess, but it has a few more details that are awkward to fit in

here -if the above wasn't awkward enough) and send to you (it includes all theBeginish-ers, which you may be interested in someday, if not now).     Interestingly enough, unlike Co. Roscommon which was typed up onthe copyI'd been reading, Co. Kerry is still in a handwritten form.

-Leslie

From:Fatarm@aol.com Add to Address BookDate:Mon, 28 Sep 1998 02:17:59 EDTSubject:[CRYAN-L] Croghans for Patricia M., again from Griffiths (Co. Roscommon)To:CRYAN-L@rootsweb.com

 

For Patricia, who is researching Croghans in Co. Roscommon, I brieflyscannedyour tree, and although I don't have another researcher to link you upwithjust yet, I can provide you the following list of Hughs, Michaels,James andPatricks (please note especially the Hugh from Carrowgarve townland). I'm

hoping you can make a positive ID from what you know of one of them,and let

me know about it.  I pulled more Croghans off Griffiths on Sat., buthaven'tyet put them into my dbase to share, so let me know if none of theseworks -we'll double check the others (although they wouldn't be from

Carrowgarve).  -Leslie (they're in the same format as Pat R's McCroghans of Kerry:

County--Union--Barony--Parish--Townland--MapID--Occupier--Immediate

Lessor--Desc. & Area--Value)

_____________

1. Roscommon Castlerea          Castlereagh      Kilkeevin          Arm     32e      Croghan,

Hugh    Simpson,

Anne    house: -            0.10.0

2. Roscommon Strokestown     ?          Ogulla  Carrowgarve    1b        Croghan, Hugh Nugent,

Anthony

F.   house, office & land: (part of) 81.3.34         59.15.0

3. Roscommon Roscommon     Ballintober, South         Kilbride            Grange 7          Croghan,

Hugh    Farrell, Reps. Daniel     land: 141.3.11  108.0.0

4. Roscommon Boyle   Boyle   Kilronan           Aghafin 19a      Croghan, James            O'Conor,

Arthur  house & land (part bog): 36.0.10          2.15.0

5. Roscommon Roscommon     Ballintober,

South   Roscommon     Ballypheasan    40        Croghan,

James   Goodman, Samuel        House & small garden: -           1.5.0

6. Roscommon Strokestown     ?          Ogulla  Carrowgarve    1a        Croghan,

Michael            Nugent,

Anthony F.       house, office & land: (part of) 81.3.34   20.5.0

7. Roscommon Strokestown     ?          Ogulla  Carrowgarve    4b        Croghan,

Michael            Nugent,

Anthony F.       house, office & land: (part of) 136.2.26 82.10.0

8. Roscommon Roscommon     Roscommon     Cloonfinlough   Clooncah          16L      Croghan,

Michael            Burke, Edmund (in chancery)    house, office, land: (part of)

151.1.15          6.5.0

9. Roscommon Roscommon     Ballintober, South         Kilbride            Derrane            7b        Croghan,

Michael            Sands, William  house & garden (no val.): 0.0.15           0.10.0

10. Roscommon           Roscommon     Ballintober,

South   Kilbride            Roxborough     1b        Croghan,

Michael            Morgan, Michael          Garden: 0.1.30 0.10.0

11. Roscommon           Roscommon     Ballintober,

South   Kilteevan          Tonlegee          8A-G   Croghan,

Michael & Patrick        Irwin, Daniel     land: 4.2.30      1.15.0 & 1.15.0

12. Roscommon           Roscommon     Ballintober,

South   Kilgefin Fariymount       19a      Croghan,

Patrick Daly, Augusta   land (orchard): 1.1.20   2.0.0

13. Roscommon           Strokestown     Ballintober, N.  Kilglass            Killastalliff         3 &

4    Croghan, Patrick    Balfe, Nicholas land: 2.1.35 & 11.0.10 6.0.0

14. Roscommon           Strokestown     Ballintober,

N.  Kilglass      Killastalliff         5a        Croghan,

Patrick Balfe, Nicholas house, office & land: 17.1.30    8.15.0

15. Roscommon           Boyle   Roscommon     Shankill            Kilnamryall       11a      Croghan,

Patrick Coote,

Sir Charles H., Bt.        house & land: 9.0.26    4.0.0

16. Roscommon           Boyle   Roscommon     Shankill            Kilnamryall       9          Croghan,

Patrick Coote,

Sir Charles H., Bt.        land: 7.3.33 (part of)     0.15.0

17. Roscommon           Boyle   Frenchpark       Kilmacumsy      Lismacool         13        Croghan,

Patrick Coote,

Sir. Charles H. Coote, Bt.         land: 1.0.0        0.10.0

18. Roscommon           Roscommon     Ballintober,

South   Kilteevan          Tonlegee          8E-b    Croghan,

Patrick Irwin, Daniel     house: -            0.15.0

 

 

From:Fatarm@aol.com Add to Address BookDate:Mon, 28 Sep 1998 02:32:36 EDTSubject:[CRYAN-L] All forms of surnameTo:CRYAN-L@rootsweb.com

I took a brief glimpse at the Co. Mayo Griffith's and found thefollowingsurnames:  Crane, Crean, Creane, Croghan, Cronan, Croughan, Cryan.  Icanprovide first names if desired.  But what I really want to know is, doesanyone have a specific desire for a Co. Mayo look-up?  I'm planning onlooking

at John & Owen Cryan of Castlebar, Mayo anyways, for myself, so it's notrouble.  Any other counties/parishes, etc. desired?  Let me know.I'm also planning on finishing a review of the Boston Pilot

advertisements(I'm glad you liked them, Pat).  Maybe I'll be a little more thoroughin mytranscription - did anyone else catch that last Cryan entry, husbandlookingfor wife and her cousin?  Move on over Mary Croghan Schenley, I smell aCryanscandal brewing....

Lastly (for tonight), a few notes from the Irish Manscripts Commissioncollection: (ask for bibliographical reference details if any of theseare ofparticular interest)Father CREAN, prior of Irish Augustinians in Rome and agent fornon-Tribes incontroversy regarding patronage of college (1795-6).

1821.  Rev. Father CRANE, Prior.  A memo of January "to pay Mr. Sheehana loss

he had by some of Roche's notes."Note in Intro to #12: [from Dr. Berry's papers] "Much genealogical

informationconcerning these, as well as other less prominent Co. Galway families[specifically notes CROGHAN as one such], can also be obtained from thematrimonial documents in the collection."

Serjt. [sic] William CRANE (one of a group) paid 5 pounds for capturing

threeRC priests, Father Anthony Kennedy included.  1656

 

From:Fatarm@aol.com Add to Address BookDate:Mon, 28 Sep 1998 09:20:07 EDTSubject:[CRYAN-L] MacLysaght's "More Irish Families" c. 1982To:CRYAN-L@rootsweb.com

I've come across a third book by MacLysaght, titled "More IrishFamilies",published after his death, I believe.  I thought the following blurbson somesurnames similar to the Creans (by sound, by Gaelic, or by name-changesourancestors made in spellings) might be of interest.  I'm sending the

MacCrohan,Crehan, Creighton one separately (it's long).  These are directtranscriptions

from the book:

O'Cowan/MacCoan:  Cowan is an alternative form of two surnames dealtwith inIrish Families [his earlier book] - see Coyne (p. 98) and MacKeown (p.200).Where it occurs in Connacht records it is a substitute for the formerbut nownearly all families of this Hy Fiachrach sept are called Coyne or Coen. In

modern times Cowan is (apart, of course, from the metropolitan area ofDublin)almost confined to Ulster.  In that province -- at any rate in the Orielcountry --it is a modernized from of MacCone, a name which was very

numerousin Co. Armagh in the 17th c. as evidenced by the Harth Money Rolls andalso by

the exhaustive analysis of Co. Armagh surnames publ. by George Patersonand byMichael Clancy in Seanchas Ardmhacha. .... [p. 65-66]Creedon, Creed:  Creedon, a west Cork name, is now called O Criodain[sorryfor lack of gaelic accents] in Irish (e.g. Tomas Criadain, the 19th c.GaelicIrish scribe) but formerly and properly it was Mac Criodain.  Itappears inthe late 16th c. Fiants dealing with Co.s Cork and Tipperary asMacCredon &MacCridan, in 1564 in the person of Donagh MacCrydon of Swynome, Co.

Tipperary, harper... Creedon has been abbreviated to Creed to aconsiderableextent - even as early as 1659 when Francis Creed was a titulado in theparishof Kilquan, Co. Limerick.  About that time the name occurs as MacCreedin theIrish army lists preserved in the Ormond Manuscript ....[p. 67]

Cronin & Croneen [p. 69]: [rather than repeat the long blurb, just takemyword for it that there's definitely no connection there](Mac) Crowne:  The name Crowne, associated with Manorhamilton andadjacent

areas, is a form of Croghan (q.v.), a name chiefly found in Co.Roscommon,alias Croan.  Croghan is listed in the "Census" of 1659 as a principalIrishname in the barony of Ballintubber, Co. Roscommon.  In the Fiants wefindMacCrowane in Co. Roscommon; Brian Keogh macBrien MacCroughen occurs ina

Fiant on 1591 with a number of O'Beirnes in Mayo, near Co. Roscommon;andagain in 1601 there is Croghan "alias O'Beirne," which, taken inconjunctionwith their location, suggests that the MacCroghans or Crownes were abranch ofthe O'Beirne sept.  Woulfe gives MacConchruachain [sorry for lack ofIrish

accents] as the Gaelic-Irish form which is corroborated by a Fiantentry of1582 in which MacEncroghan appears as a Co. Roscommon name. [Interesting,no?!] [p. 70]I thought all that would be interesting to our Crown/Croghan/MacCroghanreaders ... Don't forget to read the next post on the MacCroghans for

more ...

 

From:Fatarm@aol.com Add to Address BookDate:Tue, 29 Sep 1998 12:23:53 EDTSubject:[CRYAN-L] Our list - administrativeTo:CRYAN-L@rootsweb.com

We've made it to 30 researchers!  And we cover quite a bit of theEnglish-speaking world between us:  researchers have posted that they're fromIreland,England, Wales, Canada, United States, Australia and New Zealand.I know we've been covering a lot about the Croghans of late -- but don'tworry, I'm still going around trying to find others.  I've emailed 4Creanresearchers I don't think I've contacted previously, so we may have

some newCrean postings shortly.  We've had four new Croghan/Crogan/Crohans joinin thelast week, so we (hopefully) will read about their research shortly. We'vegot about equal parts (8 each) of the Cregan/Creahans and Cryans, Ithink.Only about half the Cryan group has ever posted their research to the

list.Maybe it's time for some of you early joiners to re-post your researchnowthat the crowd is more sizeable.  My O'Crean family database now hasover 800names, but I don't yet have all of your information - gotta post it forit toget in and be checked against other listings!  Don't worry about itbeingperfect -- it's more important to share information than to have it beseamless when you do so.If you think you see someone who might be interested in listening in tothediscussion or posting their research, please don't hesitate to have them

subscribe through rootsweb or by emailing me.Just so you know, I'm off on "holiday"/vacation for two weeks at theend ofthis week.  I'll still be on-line, but won't have much to post.  It'dbe agreat time to post your research (hint, hint  :)   -Leslie

 

From:"Michael Tobin" <tobinmi@hotmail.com> Add to Address BookDate:Tue, 29 Sep 1998 10:34:49 PDTSubject:[CRYAN-L] O Craian/Crean of Sligo townTo:CRYAN-L@rootsweb.com

Hello folks,The monument to which Eve referred to in a recent post, is indeed Sligo Abbey. I have a photocopy of a booklet published by the IrishGovernment on the Dominican Friary of Sligo, which according to the booklet is "generally (but incorrectly)  known as Sligo Abbey". If this booklet is still available for sale, it should be available from the Government Publications Sale Office, Molesworth Street, Dublin 2. It may be possible to contact them via the Irish Government Web site at www.irlgov.ie.The booklet describes the history of the Friary from the 13th century onwards. "It was founded in 1252 or 1253 by Maurice FitzGerald, 2nd baron of Offaly, grandson of the first Maurice FitzGerald, who landedin Ireland with Raymond le Gros in 1169, and grandfather of the 1st Earlof Kildare."It goes on to state that Maurice may be regarded as the founder ofSligo town. It states that the Friary was occupied most of the time by the

Friars until 1760. In the intervening period, it had a turbulant history, being ransacked and commandeered on a few occasions. In 1760, the community moved elsewhere.It has the following reference to Crean:

"There is an interesting collection of 16th and 17th century monuments in the church. The earliest dated monument is the O'Craian or Creantomb of 1506 in a recess in the north wall of the nave, jst west of the rood-screen. It has the remains of a fine traceried canopy, below which is the tomb chest, similar to the high altar in general appearance but with figures in relief on the arcaded panels of the front. (The Crucifixion in the centre, with the Virgin Mary and St. John on either side; at the left-hand end is a friar, probaly St. Dominic, next towhom is a figure robed and crowned, carrying a sword, with a small circle on the breast, possibly the wheel of St Catherine, the third figure onthis side being a figure (? female) in a long gown secured by a belt,

carrying a staff with a pear-shaped end, possibly a pilgrim; at the far right is an archbishop holding a processional cross, with his hand raised in benediction, next to whom is St. Peter with the keys, the third position being occupied by St. Michael the Archangel, who can be recognised by his wings, his cross-bearing shield and his uplifted sword). The Latin inscription, along the upper margin of the top slabof

the tomb chest, is incomplete, but the date (1506) and the name Cormac O'Craian can be read: his wife's name is less certain, but it may be Johanna Nic Aengusa (or Ennis)."

"There are also several early 17th century armorial stones, forming portions of monuments now destroyed. The earliest of these, dated 1616, is built into the recess of the O'Craian tomb and bears the arms of the same family (argent, a wolf rampant sable, between these hearts gules) impaled with those of French (ermine, a chevron sable). The initials A.C. and E.F seem to be those of Andrew Crean and his wife. This may be the same Andrew Crean of Annagh to whom Elinor, Countess of Desmond, O'Connor Sligo's widow, left £100 in 1636. The hearts in the Crean arms and the inscription on the lower edge of the stone:

Cor mundum crea in me Deus et spiritum rectum innova in visceribus meis

'Create a clean heart in me, O God, and renew a right spirit within my bowels' probably constitute a punning allusion to the Irish word for heart (croidhe), the the sound of which resembles that of the name Crean.

Another stone, dated 1625, bears the Crean arms impaled witha rampant lion, apparantly for Jones. Across the base is carved two curious rhyme:

Wee two are one by his decree

That raigneth from eternity

Who first erected have these stones

Wee robucre Crean Elicia Jones"

 

I don't know if the above confuses us all further or if it helps. It certainly suggests that the O'Craian family were of high standing asthe tomb is of similar size to an O'Connor tomb in the Friary. These arethe O'Connor Sligo family who were lords of Sligo for centuries and wereone of the leading families of North Connacht.

I have another source which refers to the Crean mechants from Sligo. It is a book entitled "The Diocese of Achonry 1689-1818: A Hidden Church", by Fr Liam Swords. It was published last year - ISBN 1-8560-7204-5.

While the title might suggest that ti concentrates on the Church, it also goes into great detail on the lives of people and politics during this period. I would highly recommend it for anyone with roots inSligo.

In case you don't know, the Diocese of Achonry comprises one-third of Co. Sligo, one-fifth of Co. Mayo and one parish (Ballaghaderreen) from Co. Roscommon. It covers the Baronies of Gallen, Leyny, Costello,

Corran and Coolavin.

 

In one place in the book, it refers to an Act of 1704 which requiredall Catholic priests to register. In order to register, each priest had to have 2 sureties or guarantors, for £50 each. "Two members of the Crean family of Sligo, John and Stephen, were also guarantors. John, a merchant, gave a surety for James O'Connell of Ballisodare and Stephen, who may also have been a merchant, was Thady Higgins' second guarantor.

John Crean and John Lamey gave sureties also for priests of their own diocese of Elphin. ........

The Creans, John and Stephen, belonged to an old and distinguishedSligo family which ranked second only to the O'Connor Sligo family. Their residence was known as O'Crean's Castle and between the 15th and 17th

centuries they were a family of great wealth and high station and foremost among the merchant princes of that era. They lost much oftheir property as a result of the 1641 rebellion.".

It gives the book "Ballysadare and Kilvarnet" by O'Rorke, pages 476-7as a reference for this information. 

 

All of the above strongly suggests that the Crean/O'Craian family were of very high standing in Sligo and were also staunch Catholic families.Hope this helps your research.Best regards Michael

 

From:Fatarm@aol.com Add to Address BookDate:Tue, 29 Sep 1998 23:07:51 EDTSubject:[CRYAN-L] MacCrohan, Croghan; (O) Crehan; Creighton -- MacLysaght's take on it allTo:CRYAN-L@rootsweb.com

MacCrohan, Croghan; (O) Crehan; Creighton -- MacLysaght's take on it alltranscribed below from "More Irish Families" p. 68-9:

MacCrohan, Croghan; (O) Crehan; Creighton :  These are three distinctsurnamesof quite different origin, but liable to be confused.  MacCrohan, withwhichthe prefix Mac is almost always retained, is a Kerry name, the septbeing abranch of the O'Sullivans with whom they were regularly associated: they wererecorded, for example, as providing 40 men for O'Sullivan's army in1596.Their seat was the castle of Letter, near Cahirciveen.  In the penaltimesthey were reduced to obscurity in Ireland, but as exiles they rose toprominence in Spain.  As late as 1657 the MacCriohins are included in astatepaper of the day among the Munster families "plotting for trouble"; andin thenext generation we find Denis MacCroghan an officer in O'Donovan'sregiment ofJames II's army, while Jeremiah Croghan was in Creagh's regiment.  Two

MacCroghans of Kerry were subsequently attainted as Jacobites.     Croghan, however, is listed both by Matheson and Woulfe as adistinctname, the latter giving MacConchruachan as the form in Irish and

explaining itas "son of the hound of Croghan":  Croghan, the ancient royal seat ofConnact,is a place in County Roscommon, to which county he assigna this minorsept.     Older anglicized forms of the Kerry name as found in the Fiants,MonasticExtents etc., are MacCriohin, MacCruhen, MacCrughen; MacCriffon,

however,which would be an approximate phonetic rendering of the IrishMacCriomhthiann,occurs in the Fiants only in County Wexford and some other LeinsterCounties.The name of the Kerry seanchaidhe, Thomas O Criomthainn, so well knownfor hisAn tOileanach (the Islandman) is so printed in that and other books. As thisis always a Mac not an O name, this form is remarkable.     The MacCrohans of Kerry sometimes appear also as MacCrehan, e.g.,in apatent of James I wherein the chief is called MacCrehan alias

O'Sullivan.Crehan, however, normally without a prefix in modern times, is entirelydifferent, being usually O Creachain in Irish:  this sept belonged tothe HyFiachrach group and was located in the barony of Tirawley, County Mayo,itsmodern representatives being almost all found in that county and County

Galway.  Another Crehan, O Croidheain of counties Sligo and Donegal, isdealtwith in Irish Families (see Crean) [a reference to his first book].     All this, however, does not exhaust the possibilities ofconfusion, for OCriochain of Ardstraw, County Tyrone, the name of the Oriel sept, hasalsobeen anglicized Crehan; but, in accordance with the unfortunatetendency,especially in  Ulster, to adopt English names approximating sound toearlierand more Irish forms, Creighton has largely superseded Crehan in thenorth.Indeed it was common in Donegal and Tyrone in the mid-seventeenthcentury asthe Hearth Money rolls show.  Creaton is another symptom of it. Creighton isalso a variant of the Scottish surname Crichton.  It appears asCreichtown

among the Scottish applicants for lands at the time of the Plantation ofUlster.  Creighton is the surname of the Earls of Erne.  John Creighton(1768-1827) who introduced the practice of vaccination into Ireland was

one ofthis family:  he was born at Athlone.  Edward Creighton (1820-1874) wasatelegraph pioneer in the United States. William Croghan (1752-1822) wasamajor in the U.S. revolutioanry army in 1778 and his son, Col. GeorgeCroghan,was also a distinguished American soldier.  Another Irish-American,GeorgeCroghan (c. 1710-1782), was a most successful Indian agent.  The famousAmerican actress Ada Rehan (1860-1916) was actually a Crehan by name. She wasborn in Limerick.  (see Crowne).___________________

From:Fatarm@aol.com Add to Address BookDate:Tue, 29 Sep 1998 23:36:58 EDTSubject:[CRYAN-L] 1796 Spinning Wheel Index of NamesTo:CRYAN-L@rootsweb.com

 

Pat R. kindly explained to me (and far better than I ever could, evenif I hadknown) what the 1796 Spinning Wheel Index of Names is, and I quote:

"As I understand it, the Linen manufacturers, in order to encourage theincreasedplanting of flax throughout the country, promised a spinning wheel toeachfarmer who would turn over an acre of land to flax.  The advantage thatthislist offers is the naming of tenants rather than just land owners at atime

that is not covered by other records.

"The All Ireland Heritage Series Edition of the Alphabetical Index totheNames contained in the Premium Entitlement lists of the Trustees of theLinen and Hempen Manufacturers of Ireland/ AKA the 1796 Spinning WheelList." The printed record covers approved claims for 89,506 spinningwheels(or equivalent units). Since the average award per person was less thantwowheels, the list includes at least 50,000 individuals. Ulster excelledwith57,811 wheels reported (64%)"  Dublin and Wicklow had no listings. "----------

Below is a transcription from the Index, and my last big posting forseveralweeks! (promise!)

NAME: COUNTY; PARISH/BARONY

Craghan, John: Meath; Kilberry

Crane, Honora: Roscommon; Kilumad

Creaghan, James: Galway; Aughyart

Creaghan, Owen: Galway; Killyan

Creaghan, Thomas: Galway; Killyan

Crean, Edward: Kerry; Kilgobbin

Crean, Michael: Kerry; Kielquant

Crean, Peter: Kerry; Kilgobbin

Creegan, Bridget: Longford; Bar of Granard

Creegan, Daniel: Leitrim; Cloone

Creegan, Finn: Londonderry; Cumber

Creegan, James: Leitrim; Cloone

Creegan, James: Londonderry; Lissane

Creegan, John: Leitrim; Cloone

Creegan, Mathew: Leitrim; Cloone

Creen, John: Down; Kilclief

Creen, John: Down; Maghera

Creen, John: Roscommon; Kilumad

Creen, Michael: Down; Ballyculter

Cregan, Claudius: Tyrone; Cappagh

Cregan, Patrick: Tyrone; Clonfecle

Creighan, Bryan: Monaghan; Kilmore

Creighan, Bryan: Monaghan; Monaghan

Creighan, Edward: Monaghan; Kilmore

Creighan, Elener: Monaghan; Kilmore

Creighan, John:  Monaghan; Kilmore

Creighan, Philip:  Monaghan; Kilmore

Creighan, Stephen:  Monaghan; Kilmore

Creighen, Edward: Monaghan; Drumsnat

Crien, Owen: Roscommon; Boyle

Crien, Owen: Roscommon; Killucan

Crien, Peter: Roscommon; Killucan

Crigan, Patrick: Tyrone; Aughalow

Criggan, John: Fermanagh; Enniskillen

Crine, Widow: Roscommon; Killmore

Crinnan, James: Louth; Darver

Crinnan, Margaret: Louth; Darver

Crinnan, Mark: Louth; Dromiskin

Crinnan, Michael: Louth; Darver

Crinnion, Patrick: Louth; Ardee

Crinnion, Peter: Louth; Clonkeen

Crinnon, Nicholas: Meath; Rushwell

Crinnon, Patrick: Meath; Killery

Crodan, Patrick: Longford; Barony of Granard

Crogan, Terence: Tyrone; Clonfecle

Croghan, Darby: Roscommon; Boyle

Croghan, James: Roscommon; Kilumad

Croghan, Michael: Roscommon; Kilumad

Croghan, Parson: Roscommon; Tobohin

Croghan, Patrick: Roscommon; Kiltrustan

Croghan, Thomas: Westmeath; St. Feighan

Crohon, Bat.: Kerry; Ventry

Crohon, James: Kerry; Kielquane

Crohon, John: Kerry; Kielquane

Crohon, Philip: Kerry; Dunqueen

Cronan, Patrick: Cavan; Crousherlough

Cronen, Patrick: Kerry; Balliancourty

Cronoge, Anne: Leitrim; Kiltaughert    [I haven't come across this

surname b4]

Cronoge, Bryan: Leitrim; Kiltaughert

Cronoge, John: Leitrim; Kiltaughert

Cryan, Bryan: Roscommon; Kilcooly

Cryan, Conner: Sligo; Kilshalvy

Cryan, Murtagh: Roscommon; Elphin

Cryan, Owen: Roscommon; Kilcooly

Cryan, Thady: Sligo; Drumrat

M'Creaghan, Michael: Tyrone; Lissen

M'Crohon, Owen: Kerry; Kieldrum

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Reply-To:"Family History" < >From:"Family History" < > Add to Address BookSubject:Re: [CRYAN-L] O Craian/Crean of Sligo townDate:Wed, 30 Sep 1998 08:46:15 +0100To:CRYAN-L@rootsweb.com

Thank you Michael, that is brilliant.I had thought that this information would only be available in alibrary inSligo. It also shows that we are going in the right direction. We nowneedto get the family connections further back to see where we fit in.You have also answered my questions about the diocese of Achonry - thankyou.Until again ,take care, Eve

 

Date:Wed, 30 Sep 1998 14:28:11 -0400From:Jim Ogg <J_JOgg@compuserve.com> Add to Address BookSubject:[Fwd: Taking Genealogy Too Seriously.......]To:Cathy Amatnieks <amatniek@rogers.wave.ca>,Beth Banks <beth@hallmoor.demon.co.uk>,Malcolm Craik <m.f.craik@ncl.ac.uk>,Kevin Cryan <caoimhghin@yahoo.com>,Linda Donovan Evans <evans@nbnet.nb.ca>,Thelma Gledhill <106151.372@compuserve.com>,Bobbie & John Hoechlin <bojo@aone.com>,Trish Hopkins <parrspub@globalserve.net>,Rhonda Little <Little4580@aol.com>,Mary Lyons <106462.2127@compuserve.com>,Ann Osborne <WillowPond_Lympsham@compuserve.com>,"Dr. Barry Potvin" <potvin@ymail.yu.edu>,Bill & Jean Putnam <virgini252@aol.com>,"Robert H. Wheelock" <RHWheelock@aol.com>,Brian Seddon <bseddon@bigpond.com>,Greg Latham <Greg@lathamg.freeserve.co.uk>

 

Dear Fellow Researchers,This was emailed to me from another researcher in Canada.  Enjoy!

YOU KNOW YOU'RE TAKING GENEALOGY TOO SERIOUSLY IF ...

You are the only person to show up at the cemetery research partywith a shovel.

To put the "final touches" on your genealogical research, you'veasked all of your closest relatives to provide DNA samples.

You were instrumental in having "non-genealogical use of thegenealogy room copy machine" classified as a federal hate crime.

Your house leans slightly toward the side where your genealogicalrecords are stored.

You decided to take a two-week break from genealogy, and the U.S.Postal Office immediately laid off 1,500 employees.

Out of respect for your best friend's unquestioned reputation forhonesty and integrity, you are willing to turn off that noisysurveillancecamera while she reviews your 57 genealogical research notebooks in your

home. The armed security guard, however, will remain.

You plod merrily along "refining" your recently published familyhistory, blissfully unaware that the number of errata pages now farexceeds the number of pages in your original publication.

During an ice storm and power outage, you ignore the pleas of yourshivering spouse and place your last quilt around that 1886 photographofdear Uncle George.

The most recent document in your "Missing Ancestors" file is a 36-page contract between you and Johnson Billboard Advertising Company.

Ed McMahon, several t.v. cameras and an envelope from PublishersClearing House arrive at your front door on Super Bowl Sunday, and thefirst thing you say is, "Are you related to the McMahons of Ohio?"

"A Loving Family" and "Financial Security" have moved up to secondand third, respectively, on your list of life's goals, but still lag farbehind "Owning My Own Microfilm Reader."

A magical genie appears and agrees to grant your any one wish, andyou ask that the 1890 census be restored.

Warm regards,Joan Ogg

 

From:Fatarm@aol.com Add to Address BookDate:Fri, 2 Oct 1998 00:52:02 EDTSubject:[CRYAN-L] I have to say, I'm impressedTo:CRYAN-L@rootsweb.com

Both with Michael's knowledge and posting and with Lyle's webpage.  Besure tocheck it out:  <A HREF="http://members.tripod.com/~havana_2/">DanialCryan-Ire.Can.and USA</A>.... and I'm just going to assume that the Lemmings are a reference tohowcaught up genealogists get .... (now even you Crean and Croghan typesarecurious, aren't you?)Thus, I'm going to post my names again to the list, in case there's a

connection waiting to happen:Robert CRYAN (1840-1901, S. Dublin), RIC Constable, m. Frances FOX

(1853-1917,Bronx, NY, USA), housewife and housekeeper.Their offspring:Katherine CRYAN (Sr. Mary Vincentia)Agnes CRYAN SMYTH (1887, Castlebar, Mayo-1968), Linde Air employee, myGgrandmom

    - her great grandson, my brother, is named after her, Daniel CryanBirch

Mary CRYAN GUNNIGLE m. Peter

Ellen CRYAN O'NEILL m. Tom

Anne CRYAN CAULFIELD m. James

Joseph CRYAN

Thomas CRYAN m. ? -- all died of tuberculosis (Tom, wife & twin

daughters)

Jack (john?) CRYAN

Robert CRYAN m. ?, had one daughter Dorothy CRYAN STOKES and two sons

If any of you Cryan researchers have a Robert anywhere in your

research, letme know -- they were rare (Robert + Cryan).  Thanks, Leslie

==== CRYAN Mailing List ====

Have you posted your research line to the list recently?  In two months

we grew to over 30 researchers.  Known surname variations being

researched by subscribers to list: MacCrohan/MacCroghan, Crain, Cryan,

Crehan, Cr¬an/Craine, Cregan, Crehan/Crane, and Craun/Crahan.

 

From:Harvey.Wohlwend@SEMATECH.Org Add to Address BookDate:Fri, 02 Oct 1998 08:31:22 -0500Subject:RE: [CRYAN-L] I have to say, I'm impressedTo:CRYAN-L@rootsweb.com

Thanks for posting your list of ancestors which linked me to the veryinformative web site about my ancestors! My mother is Eleanor Cryan, B:1917, and her father was Joseph DanielCryan,

B:1863. I grew up in Kingston Township, near Geneseo and Cayuga, NorthDakota,towns mentioned frequently at the web site. I visited Joseph and Anna'sgraveswith my mother this past July.

Incidentally, a Robert Cryan was born in Watertown SD in 1967. Hisfather wasCharles, Jr., B:1933, and his grandfather was Charles, Sr. B:1906, myuncle.

Thanks, Harvey Wohlwend Austin, Texas

 

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From:ljstandak@webtv.net (Lyle Staehnke) Add to Address BookDate:Fri, 2 Oct 1998 13:18:05 -0700 (PDT)Subject:[CRYAN-L] RE: Miscellaneous Cryan Info:To:CRYAN-L@rootsweb.com

 

MISC CRYAN

Cryan Family Of Boyle, Co. Roscommon [ Follow Ups ] [ The

Leitrim-Roscommon Bulletin Board ] [ FAQ ] Posted by Maureen McCourt

Nantista on May 02, 1997 at 01:00:06: Am interested in hearing from

anyone with information concerning the Cryans of Boyle Parish. My own

family is as follows: 1. Peter CRYAN (abt 1798) sp. Araeta MATTIMOE (abt

1798) 2. Catherine CRYAN (1823) 2. Peter CRYAN (1824) 2. Michael CRYAN

(1826) sp. Mary DURR (1828) 3. Mary Ann CRYAN (1853) ? sp. James BRENNAN

(1853) 3. Michael CRYAN (1855-1933) sp. Bridget CASEY (1855-1917) 4.

Michael J. CRYAN (1881-1961) 4. Jane CRYAN (1882-1951) sp- Michael

CUNNINGHAM(1881-1962) 4. John CRYAN (1884-1929) sp. Sarah MCINTOSH

(1889-1967) 4. Bridget CRYAN (1885-1963) sp. James SCANLON (?-1973) 4.

Patrick Joseph CRYAN (1887-1917) sp. Julia GAINE (1894) 4. Mary Anne

CRYAN (1888-1894) 4. Peter CRYAN (1890-1917) 4. Catherine CRYAN

(1892-1911) 4. Eugene CRYAN (1894-1913) 4. Francis Joseph CRYAN

(1897-1960) 4. Leo Augustine CRYAN (1899-1981) 3. Elizabeth CRYAN (1857)

3. Peter CRYAN (1860) 3. Patrick CRYAN (1862) 3. John CRYAN (1864) 3.

John CRYAN (1866) The family lived in Deerpark and Boyle. Michael CRYAN

(1855-1933) was well known and steward of the Catholic Club. His sons

Michael J., Francis and Leo formed the popular Boyle Havana Band. Leo

was also the govt. insurance agent in Boyle. In addition to CRYAN

relatives I would like to learn of any DURR or CASEY cousins of this

family. Will supply additional information to anyone interested. Thank

you and good luck to all reading this. Follow Ups: [ Follow Ups ] [ The

Leitrim-Roscommon Bulletin Board ] [ FAQ ]

The National Archives of Ireland Search results Found 2 records matching

cryan. Printing first 2 of 2 records. The document reference in each

entry below is the National Archives of Ireland reference to the

original document in the archives. The microfilm reference number refers

to the set of microfilms presented to Australia in 1988. Record 1 of 2

SURNAME: CRYAN OTHER NAMES: JOHN AGE: 28 SEX: M ALIAS: PLACE OF TRIAL:

Co. Sligo TRIAL DATE: 20/06/1848 PLACE OF IMPRISONMENT: DOCUMENT DATE:

CRIME DESCRIPTION: Burglary with intent SENTENCE: Transportation 7 yrs

SHIP: London PETITIONER: RELATIONSHIP: DOCUMENT REFERENCES: TR 8, P 142

MICROFILM REFERENCES: COMMENTS: Record 2 of 2 SURNAME: CRYAN OTHER

NAMES: JOHN AGE: 0 SEX: M ALIAS: PLACE OF TRIAL: Sligo TRIAL DATE:

20/06/1849 PLACE OF IMPRISONMENT: kilmainham DOCUMENT DATE: 24/03/1850

CRIME DESCRIPTION: burglary SENTENCE: transportation 7 yrs SHIP:

PETITIONER: RELATIONSHIP: DOCUMENT REFERENCES: CRF1850misc2(2) MICROFILM

REFERENCES: COMMENTS: Back to the Transportation Search Page Back to

National Archives home page Last update:29sep95

Ontario Cemetery Finding Aid Search Results For information on the

Database Fields, see the OCFA Field Information page. Name: CRYAN, Annie

(Clyne) Cemetery: Avondale, Stratford (Roman Catholic sections) County:

Perth Township: Downie Reference: PH-286-3 Name: CRYAN, David Cemetery:

Avondale, Stratford (Roman Catholic sections) County: Perth Township:

Downie Reference: PH-286-3 Name: CRYAN, Ellen Cemetery: St Josephs Roman

Catholic County: Perth Township: Ellice Reference: PH-000-0 Name: CRYAN,

John Cemetery: St Josephs Roman Catholic County: Perth Township: Ellice

Reference: PH-000-0 Name: CRYAN, Valentine Cemetery: Avondale, Stratford

(Roman Catholic sections) County: Perth Township: Downie Reference:

PH-286-3 Back to the OCFA Search Page Back to the OCFA Home Page

Saved message From: cdobie@superaje.com (Charles Dobie) Date: Wed, Jun

10, 1998, 12:19am (PDT+3) To: ljstandak@webtv.net (Lyle Staehnke)

Subject: Cryan in OCFA 6 Lyle, Here are the CRYAN entries in OCFA 6:

"CRYAN","-","Holy Angels Roman Catholic, St

Thomas","Elgin","Yarmouth","EL-535","C650" "CRYAN","Anna

Freeman","Avondale, Stratford (Range

18)","Perth","Downie","PH-288-X","C650" "CRYAN","Charles J.","Holy

Angels Roman Catholic, St Thomas","Elgin","Yarmouth","EL-535","C650"

"CRYAN","Charles L.","Holy Angels Roman Catholic, St

Thomas","Elgin","Yarmouth","EL-535","C650" "CRYAN","Delia S.","Holy

Angels Roman Catholic, St Thomas","Elgin","Yarmouth","EL-535","C650"

"CRYAN","Emerson S.","Holy Angels Roman Catholic, St

Thomas","Elgin","Yarmouth","EL-535","C650" "CRYAN","Joseph

P.","Avondale, Stratford (Range 18)","Perth","Downie","PH-288-X","C650"

"CRYAN","Nellie Kelterborn","Avondale, Stratford (Range

18)","Perth","Downie","PH-288-X","C650" "CRYAN","Wilfred C.","Avondale,

Stratford (Range 18)","Perth","Downie","PH-288-X","C650" I hope they are

some use to you. Cheers, Charlie Dobie, cdobie@superaje.com

---------------------------------- Do you have roots in Lanark County or

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GENEALOGICAL SOCIETY -- -- Surname and research queries from over 130

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oreign-Born Voters of California -1872- Surnames beginning with the

Letter C (Part 4) Record numbers 10515 thru 11768 Copyright © Jim W.

Faulkinbury and FEEFHS, 1996 Latest Update: 29 April 1996 This Web-Base

is a finding aid to the compiled voter registration data in Jim W.

Faulkinbury's Cryan, Thomas......39 in 1872......born in

Ireland......11335

   1871 census,Ontario head of house hold...First name is

misspelled should be Danial instead of David Cryan.... [New Search /

Nouvelle recherche] [How to interpret your results and order copies /

Comment interpréter les résultats et obtenir des copies] Result for

query "cryan" Résultat de la recherche effectuée à partir du mot

clé "cryan" File/Fichier //Dundas/Dundas_06 line 152: CRYAN DAVID 68

IRELAND RC IRISH F 071 A 2 23 04 File/Fichier //Ontario/Ontario_15 line

62: CRYAN MICHAEL JAMES 2 RC 049 E 2 D 51 line 63: CRYAN THOMAS 32 O RC

IRISH CARPENTER 049 E 2 40 51 File/Fichier //Perth/Perth_13 line 82:

CRYAN BERNARD 59 IRELAND RC IRISH F 030 B 1 1 55 line 83: CRYAN ELLEN 1

1 45 IRELAND RC IRISH SERVANT 030 C 4 40 55 line 84: CRYAN JOHN 35

ENGLAND RC IRISH F 030 B 1 4 55 Summary for query "cryan"/ Sommaire de

la recherche effectuée à partir du mot clé "cryan": found 6

matches in 3 files/ 6 documents(s) trouvé(s) dans 3 fichier(s) [New

Search / Nouvelle recherche] [How to interpret your results and order

copies / Comment interpréter les résultats et obtenir des copies]

© Public Works & Government Services, Canada (1995). All rights

reserved. Terms and conditions National Archives of Canada Archives

nationales du Canada

Irish Rowing Hall of Fame SENIOR ROWING CHAMPIONS: 1912 - 1996 Most

Individual Wins Name:Club(s): M/WWins 8'sWinsEvents: Frank

MOOREGarda-Neptune M1478, 4+, 2-, 2xGerry MURPHYNeptuneM1488, 4+ Eunan

DOLANNeptuneM 1378, 4+ Nicole RYANCommercial-Anna Liffey-Workmen's

W13.4+, 2-Niall O'TOOLECommercialM12.2x, 1x, L1x Willie RYANGardaM 1268,

4+, 2-, 2x Frances CRYANCarrick-on-Shannon W11.1xCathy BUCHANANQueen's

Ladies'-Belfast RC W10.4+, 2-, 1xJohn

* GUARANTEED GOOD FOOD * . ......at Cryan's Riverside Restaurant The

Restaurant specialises in Traditional Homecooked Cuisine Proffering THE

BEST in Good Wholesome Food FRESH SEAFOOD GOOD IRISH BEEF STEAKS 'Daily

Specials' for Breakfast, Lunch & Evening Dinner (A La' Carte) OPEN 7

DAYS 8 till LATE * GUARANTEED GOOD MUSIC & CRAIC * ......at Cryan's

Riverside Bar Traditional Irish Music every Tuesday, Friday, Saturday

and Sunday Nights. * GUARANTEED A FRIENDLY STAY * .......at Cryan's

Riverside Bed & Breakfast So, for Good Music, Good Food and a Friendly

Stay come to.... Bridge Street, Carrick on Shannon, Co.Leitrim. Tel: +

(353) (78) 20409 Return to Irish Internet Yellow Pages or Holiday

Ireland

 

From:ljstandak@webtv.net (Lyle Staehnke) Add to Address BookDate:Sat, 3 Oct 1998 11:15:54 -0700 (PDT)Subject:[CRYAN-L] 1885 CensusTo:CRYAN-L@rootsweb.com

http://dp3.lib.ndsu.nodak.edu/cgi-bin/1885Census/search.pl?page=1&name=cryan&occupation=&nativity=&city=&county=

 

Date:Sat, 03 Oct 1998 17:12:27 -0400From:leonard w crean <crean@erols.com> Add to Address BookReply-To:crean@erols.comSubject:[CRYAN-L] my Crean lineTo:CRYAN-L@rootsweb.com

Fellow Crean's can anyone relate to my line below:

Descendants of Dennis Crean

Generation No. 1

1.  DENNIS1 CREAN was born Abt. 1780 in IRELAND, and died Abt. 1850 in

IRELAND.  He married HANNAH.

Child of DENNIS CREAN and HANNAH is:

2. i. CORNELIUS2 CREAN, b. Abt. 1810, CORK,IRELAND; d. May 22, 1876,

Rockport,Essex,Massachusetts.

Generation No. 2

2.  CORNELIUS2 CREAN (DENNIS1) was born Abt. 1810 in CORK,IRELAND1, and

died May 22, 1876 in Rockport,Essex,Massachusetts1.  He married

CATHERINE SULLIVAN 1836 in IRELAND.

Children of CORNELIUS CREAN and CATHERINE SULLIVAN are:

3. i. DENNIS3 CREAN, b. August 20, 1846, CORK,IRELAND; d. September 20,

1887, Salem, Essex, Massachusetts.

4. ii. JOHN CREAN, b. 1849, CORK,IRELAND.

5. iii. JEREMIAH J. CREAN, b. May 01, 1857, CORK,IRELAND; d. September

04, 1890, Salem,Essex,Massachusetts.

 iv. JULIA CREAN, b. 18602.

6. v. MARY J. CREAN, b. May 1860, CORK,IRELAND; d. November 29, 1896,

SALEM,ESSEX,MASS..

 vi. HANNAH CREAN, b. 1863, ROCKPORT,ESSEX,MA.2; d. August 02, 1949,

SALEM,ESSEX,MASS.3.

 vii. CATHERINE J. CREAN, b. 1865, ROCKPORT,ESSEX,MA.4; d. November 02,

1891, SALEM,ESSEX,MASS.5.

Generation No. 3

3.  DENNIS3 CREAN (CORNELIUS2, DENNIS1) was born August 20, 1846 in

CORK,IRELAND6, and died September 20, 1887 in Salem, Essex,

Massachusetts7.  He married ELLEN FREEMAN 1868 in IRELAND, daughter of

MICHAEL FREEMEN and HARRIET DURKIN.

Notes for DENNIS CREAN:

Came to New York in July 22,1862 and became a citizen on Nov.6,1876.

Last name was spelled Crane until 1870 census then it was Crean.

Notes for ELLEN FREEMAN:

Buried in St. Marys Cemetery Salem

Children of DENNIS CREAN and ELLEN FREEMAN are:

7. i. CORNELIUS J.4 CREAN, b. August 03, 1869,

Rockport,Essex,Massachusetts; d. 1942, Salem, Essex, Massachusetts.

 ii. HARRIET F. CREAN, b. October 1870, Rockport,Essex,Massachusetts8.

8. iii. DENNIS MICHAEL CREAN, b. February 21, 1872,

Rockport,Essex,Massachusetts; d. May 16, 1954, Salem, Essex,

Massachusetts.

 iv. MICHAEL CREAN, b. July 21, 1873, Rockport,Essex,Massachusetts9; d.

December 05, 1881, Salem,Essex,Massachusetts10.

 v. CATHERINE GERTRUDE CREAN, b. April 03, 1875,

Rockport,Essex,Massachusetts11; m. JOHN JOSEPH BARRY, November 28, 1916,

Lynn,Essex,Massachusetts12.

 vi. MARY ELLEN CREAN, b. October 08, 1876,

Rockport,Essex,Massachusetts13; m. JOHN W. BRENNEN.

 vii. JULIA CREAN, b. November 1878, Salem,Essex,Massachusetts14; d.

November 27, 1880, Salem,Essex,Massachusetts15.

4.  JOHN3 CREAN (CORNELIUS2, DENNIS1) was born 1849 in CORK,IRELAND16.

He married MARY REAGAN July 22, 1879 in SALEM,ESSEX,MASS.16, daughter of

PATRICK REAGAN and ELLEN REAGAN.

Notes for JOHN CREAN:

HE LIVED IN ROCKPORT,MA. IN 1879

Notes for MARY REAGAN:

SHE LIVED IN SALEM,MA. IN 1879

Child of JOHN CREAN and MARY REAGAN is:

 i. CATHERINE E.4 CREAN, b. June 01, 1880, ROCKPORT,ESSEX,MA.17; d. Abt.

1955.

5.  JEREMIAH J.3 CREAN (CORNELIUS2, DENNIS1) was born May 01, 1857 in

CORK,IRELAND18, and died September 04, 1890 in

Salem,Essex,Massachusetts19.  He married CATHERINE J. BUCKLEY January

28, 1881 in Salem,Essex,Massachusetts20, daughter of WILLIAM BUCKLEY and

MARY WALSH.

Children of JEREMIAH CREAN and CATHERINE BUCKLEY are:

9. i. CORNELIUS J.4 CREAN, b. January 28, 1882,

Salem,Essex,Massachusetts; d. August 09, 1966,

Salem,Essex,Massachusetts.

 ii. WILLIAM F. CREAN, b. July 04, 1882, SALEM,ESSEX,MASS.21; d. October

02, 1941, SALEM,ESSEX,MASS.22.

 iii. JEREMIAH FRANCIS CREAN, b. December 26, 1884, SALEM,ESSEX,MASS.23;

d. February 07, 1957, SALEM,ESSEX,MASS.24; m. HELEN FRANCES REIDY, June

05, 1918, PEABODY,ESSEX,MA.by N.J.MURPHY PRIEST25.

 iv. MARY CREAN, b. January 19, 1887, SALEM,ESSEX,MASS.26; d. 1896,

SALEM,ESSEX,MASS..

 v. CHARLES F. CREAN, b. August 31, 1889, SALEM,ESSEX,MASS.27; d. August

28, 1967, SALEM,ESSEX,MASS.28; m. CATHERINE J. MCDONALD, 1916.

6.  MARY J.3 CREAN (CORNELIUS2, DENNIS1) was born May 1860 in

CORK,IRELAND29, and died November 29, 1896 in SALEM,ESSEX,MASS.30.  She

married DENNIS WELCH November 25, 1880 in SALEM,ESSEX,MASS.31, son of

WALTER WELCH and MARY LINSKEY.

Children of MARY CREAN and DENNIS WELCH are:

 i. MARY J.4 WELCH, b. August 1881.

 ii. WALTER WELCH, b. August 09, 1884, QUINCY,SUFFORK,MA32.

10. iii. NORA TRERESA WELCH, b. April 08, 1890, CAMBRIDGE,SUFFORK,MA; d.

July 06, 1968, SOMERVILLE,SUFFORK,MA.

 iv. DENNIS MARTIN WELCH,JR, b. July 03, 1892, CAMBRIDGE,SUFFORK,MA32.

 v. JOHN WELCH, b. May 189432.

Generation No. 4

7.  CORNELIUS J.4 CREAN (DENNIS3, CORNELIUS2, DENNIS1) was born August

03, 1869 in Rockport,Essex,Massachusetts33, and died 1942 in Salem,

Essex, Massachusetts.  He married MARY A. KERWIN October 11, 1905 in

PEABODY,ESSEX,MA.BY M.J.MASTERSON CLERGYMAN34, daughter of PATRICK

KERWIN and JENNIE BULGER.

Children of CORNELIUS CREAN and MARY KERWIN are:

11. i. ARTHUR J.5 CREAN, b. October 01, 1906, Salem, Essex,

Massachusetts; d. March 06, 1996, Salem, Essex, Massachusetts.

12. ii. RAYMOND J. CREAN, b. February 09, 1909, Salem, Essex,

Massachusetts; d. August 1986, TEXAS 78050.

8.  DENNIS MICHAEL4 CREAN (DENNIS3, CORNELIUS2, DENNIS1) was born

February 21, 1872 in Rockport,Essex,Massachusetts35, and died May 16,

1954 in Salem, Essex, Massachusetts36.  He married MARGRET ROSE MULCAHY

June 14, 1903 in Salem, Essex, Massachusetts37, daughter of JAMES

MULCAHY and MARY MCKEON.

Notes for DENNIS MICHAEL CREAN:

BURIED IN ST. MARYS CEME. SALEM LOT#  429 20 ST. REAR

Children of DENNIS CREAN and MARGRET MULCAHY are:

13. i. DENNIS J.5 CREAN, b. December 23, 1904, SALEM,MASS.; d. March 28,

1983, LYNN,MA..

 ii. JAMES CREAN, b. December 23, 1904, SALEM,MASS.; d. December 23,

1904, SALEM,MASS..

 iii. MARY M. CREAN, b. 1906, Salem,Essex,Massachusetts; d. September

20, 1920, Salem,Essex,Massachusetts38.

Notes for MARY M. CREAN:

BURIED WITH GRANDPARENTS MULCAHY AT ST. MARY'S CEME. SALEM LOT 211

AVENUE 17

14. iv. WALTER FRANCIS CREAN,SR., b. September 01, 1908, Salem, Essex,

Massachusetts; d. May 03, 1995, Beverly,Essex,Massachusetts.

15. v. CATHERINE H. CREAN, b. April 24, 1910, Salem,Essex,Massachusetts;

d. October 1983, Salem,Essex,Massachusetts.

 vi. CHARLES C. CREAN, b. 1912, Salem,Essex,Massachusetts; d. November

30, 1962, Salem,Essex,Massachusetts.

Notes for CHARLES C. CREAN:

BURIED IN ST. MARY'S SALEM

16. vii. ELLEN MARIE CREAN, b. July 28, 1916, SALEM,MASS.; d. October

1981, SALEM,MASS..

9.  CORNELIUS J.4 CREAN (JEREMIAH J.3, CORNELIUS2, DENNIS1) was born

January 28, 1882 in Salem,Essex,Massachusetts39, and died August 09,

1966 in Salem,Essex,Massachusetts40.  He married CATHERINE M. DUNLEAVY

June 14, 1904 in Salem,Essex,Massachusetts41, daughter of PETER DUNLEAVY

and MARGARET MOONEY.

Children of CORNELIUS CREAN and CATHERINE DUNLEAVY are:

 i. MARY MARGARET5 CREAN, b. 1905; d. May 11, 1965,

Salem,Essex,Massachusetts; m. BERRY.

 ii. CATHERINE J. CREAN, b. 1907; d. August 05, 1930,

SALEM,ESSEX,MASS.42; m. MACDONALD.

17. iii. CHARLES J. CREAN, b. October 01, 1908; d. June 12, 1990,

SALEM,ESSEX,MASS..

18. iv. JOSEPH L. CREAN, b. 1911, Salem, Essex, Massachusetts; d. Abt.

1940, Salem, Essex, Massachusetts.

19. v. ANNA ELIZABETH CREAN, b. October 14, 1911, SALEM,ESSEX,MASS..

20. vi. GERALD JOHN CREAN, b. August 05, 1913, SALEM,ESSEX,MASS.; d.

July 24, 1981, BEVERLY,ESSEX,MASSACHUSETTS.

 vii. HELEN M CREAN, b. May 1916, SALEM,ESSEX,MASSACHUSETTS43; m. REGAN.

viii. RITA CREAN, b. 1920; m. BERRY.

10.  NORA TRERESA4 WELCH (MARY J.3 CREAN, CORNELIUS2, DENNIS1) was born

April 08, 1890 in CAMBRIDGE,SUFFORK,MA44, and died July 06, 1968 in

SOMERVILLE,SUFFORK,MA44.  She married JOHN ANTHONY MCCARTHY June 07,

191044.

Children of NORA WELCH and JOHN MCCARTHY are:

 i. DOROTHY5 MCCARTHY.

 ii. GERTRUDE MCCARTHY, m. JAMES SHEEHAN.

 iii. WILLIAM MCCARTHY.

 iv. WINIFRED MCCARTHY.

 v. THOMAS MCCARTHY, b. 1911.

 vi. JOHN MCCARTHY,JR, b. 1913.

21. vii. MARY MCCARTHY, b. 1914.

22. viii. MARKIE MCCARTHY, b. 1915.

23. ix. ELEANOR LOUISE MCCARTHY, b. 1917; d. 1985.

 x. CATHERINE MCCARTHY, b. 1923; m. JOHN DEY.

 xi. RITA MCCARTHY, b. 1928; m. CHARLES KELLIHER.

 xii. ROSE M. MCCARTHY, b. 1928; m. RICHARD J. DALEY.

Generation No. 5

11.  ARTHUR J.5 CREAN (CORNELIUS J.4, DENNIS3, CORNELIUS2, DENNIS1) was

born October 01, 1906 in Salem, Essex, Massachusetts, and died March 06,

1996 in Salem, Essex, Massachusetts45.  He married M. FLORENCE HEALEY in

Salem, Essex, Massachusetts.

Children of ARTHUR CREAN and M. HEALEY are:

24. i. KEVIN A.6 CREAN, b. December 29, 1938, Salem, Essex,

Massachusetts.

25. ii. MARCIA CREAN, b. Unknown, Salem, Essex, Massachusetts.

12.  RAYMOND J.5 CREAN (CORNELIUS J.4, DENNIS3, CORNELIUS2, DENNIS1) was

born February 09, 1909 in Salem, Essex, Massachusetts, and died August

1986 in TEXAS 78050.  He married BRODERICK.

Child of RAYMOND CREAN and BRODERICK is:

26. i. RAYMOND J.6 CREAN,JR, b. October 30, 1937.

13.  DENNIS J.5 CREAN (DENNIS MICHAEL4, DENNIS3, CORNELIUS2, DENNIS1)

was born December 23, 1904 in SALEM,MASS., and died March 28, 1983 in

LYNN,MA..  He married CATHERINE V. O'CONNER.

Notes for DENNIS J. CREAN:

BOTH BURIED IN ST. MARYS CEME.SALEM

Child of DENNIS CREAN and CATHERINE O'CONNER is:

 i. NO6 KIDS.

14.  WALTER FRANCIS5 CREAN,SR. (DENNIS MICHAEL4, DENNIS3, CORNELIUS2,

DENNIS1) was born September 01, 1908 in Salem, Essex, Massachusetts46,

and died May 03, 1995 in Beverly,Essex,Massachusetts47.  He married

DOROTHY MILLDRED MACDONOUGH December 28, 1941 in

Beverly,Essex,Massachusetts48, daughter of FRANCIS MACDONOUGH and ADDA

FERRIS.

Children of WALTER CREAN and DOROTHY MACDONOUGH are:

15.  CATHERINE H.5 CREAN (DENNIS MICHAEL4, DENNIS3, CORNELIUS2, DENNIS1)

was born April 24, 1910 in Salem,Essex,Massachusetts, and died October

1983 in Salem,Essex,Massachusetts.  She married GEORGE ROBINSON in

Salem,Essex,Massachusetts.

16.  ELLEN MARIE5 CREAN (DENNIS MICHAEL4, DENNIS3, CORNELIUS2, DENNIS1)

was born July 28, 1916 in SALEM,MASS., and died October 1981 in

SALEM,MASS..  She met JOSEPH.

Child of ELLEN CREAN and JOSEPH is:

 i. FRANCIS6 W.CREAN, b. October 22, 1939, SALEM,MASS.; d. July 13,

1990, SALEM,MASS..

Notes for FRANCIS W.CREAN:

Was in USAF in 1960

17.  CHARLES J.5 CREAN (CORNELIUS J.4, JEREMIAH J.3, CORNELIUS2,

DENNIS1) was born October 01, 1908, and died June 12, 1990 in

SALEM,ESSEX,MASS..  He married MARIE G., daughter of MURPHY.

Child of CHARLES CREAN and MARIE G. is:

 i. NO KIDS6 CREAN.

18.  JOSEPH L.5 CREAN (CORNELIUS J.4, JEREMIAH J.3, CORNELIUS2, DENNIS1)

was born 1911 in Salem, Essex, Massachusetts, and died Abt. 1940 in

Salem, Essex, Massachusetts.  He married ELSIE M..

Child of JOSEPH CREAN and ELSIE M. is:

32. i. PETER6 CREAN, b. July 10, 1936, Salem, Essex, Massachusetts; d.

December 1972.

19.  ANNA ELIZABETH5 CREAN (CORNELIUS J.4, JEREMIAH J.3, CORNELIUS2,

DENNIS1) was born October 14, 1911 in SALEM,ESSEX,MASS.49.  She married

GEORGE FREDERICK MALONEY.

Child of ANNA CREAN and GEORGE MALONEY is:

 i. PATRICIA6 MALONEY, b. Abt. 1946.

20.  GERALD JOHN5 CREAN (CORNELIUS J.4, JEREMIAH J.3, CORNELIUS2,

DENNIS1) was born August 05, 1913 in SALEM,ESSEX,MASS.50, and died July

24, 1981 in BEVERLY,ESSEX,MASSACHUSETTS51.  He married HELEN C. HAYES.

21.  MARY5 MCCARTHY (NORA TRERESA4 WELCH, MARY J.3 CREAN, CORNELIUS2,

DENNIS1) was born 1914.  She married VINCENT RYAN.

Children of MARY MCCARTHY and VINCENT RYAN are:

 i. DONNA6 RYAN.

 ii. VINCENT RYAN.

22.  MARKIE5 MCCARTHY (NORA TRERESA4 WELCH, MARY J.3 CREAN, CORNELIUS2,

DENNIS1) was born 1915.  She married JOHN F. KILDERRY,JR.

23.  ELEANOR LOUISE5 MCCARTHY (NORA TRERESA4 WELCH, MARY J.3 CREAN,

CORNELIUS2, DENNIS1) was born 1917, and died 1985.  She married JOHN

ALFRED WHITE,JR.

 

Check out Ireland's National Archives web site for information on

what's available there and where to write, as well as on-line searches

for transportation records: //www.nationalarchives.ie/genealogy.html

 

From:Fatarm@aol.com Add to Address BookDate:Tue, 6 Oct 1998 22:33:13 EDTSubject:[CRYAN-L] Irish Times websiteTo:CRYAN-L@rootsweb.com

I'm enjoying my holiday -- especially the part where I get access to aPentium

with a high speed modem and color printer!  I'm finally getting around

to allthe web sites some of you have posted - and you're quite right that

some ofthem are great reading.  Eve's favorite site listing [

<AHREF="http://www.geocities.com/SiliconValley/Haven/1538/irish.html">Irish

Genealogy Bridge</A> ] was a good linking site, and lead me to some

Heraldryarticles I hadn't yet read and other Irish sites of interest.

And if you folks haven't checked out the Irish Times' site, this is a

goodtime to do so:  <A HREF="http://www.irish-

times.com/ancestor/browse/index.htm">Irish Ancestors;Browse</A>

they've got stuff searchable online.

I've also recently seen referenced the following LDS site, which may be

ofsome interest to those of you with less library access:

<AHREF="http://www.lds.org/en/4_News_Update/19980929_Genealogy_PR.html">Media

Information/News Update</A> -- I don't remember if I got it from a

how-to oran Ireland research mailing list.  You should also explore the LDS'

otherpages.  It's a good way to pick up other tidbits to help in research.

Michael T., have you posted your site to this mailing list recently?  I

hadproblems with your counter (your page froze twice on me), apparently,

but itmight just be AOL.  So I haven't gotten to all of it, but I like what

you did(especially in keeping the graphics simple - it was so fast!). I added

it toour mailing list taglines, hope you don't mind....

Lastly, another Cryan-ancestor-induced-anecdote.  My grandma let this

one flylast night: "God bless us and save us, says Biddy O'Davis" -- sure

enough, itwas one of my Ggrandmom's faves (she was our last Cryan).  I also

learned to"cut" biscuit dough -- who knew one actually used knives???  My french-

descended husband would be horrified (you should see him praying to his

pastries and other laminated desserts).Looking forward to reading your next, Leslie

 

 

From:Julie_Case@prodigy.com (MS JULIA M CASE) Add to Address BookDate:Wed, 7 Oct 1998 21:35:05, -0500Subject:RootsWeb Review, Vol. 1, No. 17To:RootsWeb-Review@rootsweb.com

ROOTSWEB REVIEW: Genealogical Data Cooperative Weekly News

Vol. 1, No. 17, 7 October 1998; Circulation: 216,600+

Copyright (c) 1998 RootsWeb Genealogical Data Cooperative

Editors: Julia M. Case and Myra Vanderpool Gormley, CG

         <RWR-Editors@rootsweb.com>

 

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CONTENTS: News and Notes from RootsWeb; Census Project Uploads;

GenConnect Uploads; Connecting through RootsWeb; Letters to the

Editors; Mailing Lists; Web Sites; Geek Speak; Genealogy is Like

Fishing; The English Language as it is Spoken; Humor; Reprint

Policy; Author Guidelines; Unsubscribe Instructions

NEWS AND NOTES FROM ROOTSWEB

 

ROOTS SURNAME LIST (RSL) PASSES MILESTONE. The RSL just passed

the half-million surnames mark. The October 1998 RootsWeb Surname

List, including 512,151 surnames (among them 30,719 new surnames)

submitted by 74,641 researchers, can now be searched at RootsWeb:

<<a href="http://www.rootsweb.com/" target=_blank>http://www.rootsweb.com/>.

 

Many other additions have been made to RootsWeb. Besides the RSL,

RootsWeb now hosts:

 

     o 3,194 independent Websites including USGenWeb,

       the USGenWeb Archives, WorldGenWeb, the ROOTS-L

       State Pages, IIGS, the Olive Tree, and Cyndi's

       List <<a href="http://www.CyndisList.com" target=_blank>http://www.CyndisList.com>.

 

     o 4,389 independent locality and surname mailing

       lists, many with searchable archives.

 

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is entirely community-supported: your membership is crucial in

enabling RootsWeb to continue to add more genealogical data, Web

sites, and mailing lists. The degree of community support

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visit the HelpDesk at: <<a href="http://cgi.rootsweb.com/~help/index.htm" target=_blank>http://cgi.rootsweb.com/~help/index.htm>.

 

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INTERNATIONAL INTERNET GENEALOGICAL SOCIETY (IIGS). The October

1998 IIGS(tm) Newsletter is now available online at:

<<a href="http://www.iigs.org/newsletter" target=_blank>http://www.iigs.org/newsletter>. Articles include, "Why

International?, "The Mystery of the Melungeons," "Giving Credit,"

"Seelenstandsverzeichnis Project," "In Search of My Mennonite

Roots in Canada," and "IIGS(tm) Chat for Genealogy."

 

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CENSUS TRANSCRIPTIONS UPLOADED THIS WEEK TO USGenWeb ARCHIVES

<<a href="http://www.rootsweb.com/~usgenweb" target=_blank>http://www.rootsweb.com/~usgenweb>

 

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GENCONNECT: 145 NEW GENCONNECT BOARDS ACTIVATED WEEK OF 9/27/98

 

ACWRoots  6  <<a href="http://cgi.rootsweb.com/~genbbs/indx/ACWRoots.html" target=_blank>http://cgi.rootsweb.com/~genbbs/indx/ACWRoots.html>

Archives 62 (in beta testing)

Canada    9 <<a href="http://cgi.rootsweb.com/~genbbs/index/Canada.html" target=_blank>http://cgi.rootsweb.com/~genbbs/index/Canada.html>

FamilyAsc 5 <<a href="http://cgi.rootsweb.com/~genbbs/index/FamAssoc.html" target=_blank>http://cgi.rootsweb.com/~genbbs/index/FamAssoc.html>

CONNECTING THROUGH ROOTSWEB: Thanks for sharing your stories.

I have been trying to locate someone from my uncle Gene's family

and for about six months I had no success. I logged on to ALBIBB

and connected with my uncle's granddaughter. We have a date to

continue our research in Alabama in about ten days. Thank you! 

                                            <Joe52935@aol.com>

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When I started rooting about five years ago I thought my sister

and I were the only remaining members of the HOUSDEN family in

existence. At the time I didn't know about the Internet at all.

At the urging of a genealogy instructor I signed onto AOL and

posted my surname. Nothing happened. Then about two months later

as I was about to cancel my subscription and give up on the

Internet (what did I know about anything anyway?) I got a

response from a woman about five states away. She carried the

HOUSDEN surname, and thought, like I did, that her family was the

only one in existence. Did I want to talk? We both admit that for

the next month we wouldn't acknowledge our spouses, respond to

our children, answer the phone or pat the dog until we had

checked our e-mail to see what the other had sent.

 

Then I found RootsWeb. I now host a HOUSDEN surname list. Here's

the most exciting thing -- we now know that the original HOUSDEN

immigrant came to Virginia in 1769 as a convict and eventually

had nine children. Two of these children were girls who never

procreated or whose offspring died without issue. Two of these

children were girls who married and seemingly fell off the face

of the earth (although we think we have found them this summer).

We have descendants of the other five children as members of this

surname list and a collective database of about 4,000 names. This

is pretty impressive, I think, and possible only because of

RootsWeb and the Internet.

                                Vicky Drake <dvicky@primenet.com>

 

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                   LETTERS TO THE EDITORS

 

THE PRIVACY OF VULNERABLE PEOPLE. In "RootsWeb Review", Vol. 1.

No 16, 30 September, 1998, Ann Minter commented about the

improper use on the Internet of living family information which

had originally been provided on the assumption it was private and

that it was not to be disseminated.

 

Publishing such information could have serious effects. Many

people have periods in their lives when they are particularly

vulnerable, due to mental illness, divorce, bankruptcy, being

abused or bullied, drug taking, homelessness, an unwanted

pregnancy, etc. When such people are trying to rebuild their

lives they need all the support they can get from their friends

and relatives. Some people commit suicide simply because they are

irrationally haunted by the idea that everybody is talking about

them behind their backs and they will never be able to escape

from their past. When someone is depressed in this way about

their past difficulties, even quite small indiscretions can set

back their return to a full and normal life. Unnecessary and

inappropriate Internet publication of material that the

emotionally strong might consider as trivial details -- such as a

postal address at the time a relative was a patient in a

psychiatric hospital -- could have a negative effect on their

recovery.

 

It is difficult to gauge the seriousness of indiscriminate

publishing of "vulnerable" personal data on the Internet by

genealogists. For instance, when people are depressed they are

unlikely to make a complaint about something that makes them

worse -- because the very act of complaining reminds them of the

cause of the depression and could send them on a downward spiral

of despair. For this reason overly-enthusiastic, thick-skinned,

"we publish everything for posterity" genealogists may well be

totally unaware of the damage they can cause to their more

sensitive distant living relatives.

 

As well as being a genealogist I am a director of a major mental

health charity, and before I retired I spent about 25 years

studying how people interact with computers. I am currently

collecting information on cases where vulnerable people have

suffered because of actions by genealogist geeks publishing

"unfortunate information" about living relatives. I would be very

interested to have details of any cases known by your readers (by

e-mail, and of course in strict confidence). As the privacy/data

protection laws vary around the world it would help if you

identify the countries involved.

                        Dr. Chris Reynolds <codil@email.msn.com>

 

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Why do people get so bent out of shape about people using their

raw data that they have collected? How many of these people use

the proper citations when they are claiming their research as

their own thing? If there is one thing I learned in College

English 101, it's that there is no original idea. Everything has

a source, and word of mouth doesn't count. If these people want

something they can get credit for, they need to write a book, get

it published, and have the protection of the law in their work.

Many people gather raw data. It doesn't become theirs until they

turn it into something of their own

                            Deanna Pitman <d_pitman@hotmail.com>

 

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Around 10 years ago, I attended a Mexican funeral at the famous

old San Fernando Cathedral in San Antonio, Texas. The priest

offered the following story:

 

"We have a tradition in Mexico that each person dies three times.

First, there is the moment in which the body stops functioning.

Second, there is the time that the remains are consigned to the

grave. Third, there is that moment, sometime in the future, in

which the person's name is spoken for the last time. Then the

person is really gone."

 

Several years later, I got into genealogy and realized that

persons who preserve the memories of persons from their own

familial past, are preventing that third death.

             Ted Klein, Lake Travis, Texas (tedklein@prodigy.com)

 

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of the new mailing lists mentioned in RootsWeb Review are "live,"

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that interests you isn't up yet, please check again in a few days

or a week. <http://www.rootsweb.com/~<accountname> (the ~[tilde]

before the name is required) will work for most of the following.

If not, you will find most of them at the USGenWeb Project

<<a href="http://www.usgenweb.org" target=_blank>http://www.usgenweb.org> or the WorldGenWeb Project

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GEEK SPEAK. Responding to a reader's request for resumption of

"Geek Speak," Dale "Doc" Schneider <maddoc@rootsweb.com>

forwarded this from Leigh Compton <lcompton@onramp.net>, who

apparently obtained it from the 9 September 1998 "Dummies Daily."

 

UNIX (Tip: rhymes with "tunics"). UNIX, which doesn't really

stand for anything, is the most popular network operating system

in the world, not to mention the operating system used to develop

the Internet and World Wide Web. It's also a real favorite of the

technological elite -- not only because it's very capable but

also because it's a deep, dark, intimidating mystery to the rest

of us. You're never surer of your technical inadequacy than when

you're peering over the shoulder of a UNIX programmer, watching

her type lines of unintelligible code that only she and the

computer understand. 

 

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                  GENEALOGY IS LIKE FISHING

 

       by Doug Smith, senior producer, Palladium Interactive

          <uftree@palladium.net>

 

A thought I had many years ago really struck home. It came to me

that genealogy is a lot like fishing. While I don't fish often, I

know enough from talking to those who do that putting your hook

in the wrong place could be as productive as dropping a hook in a

glass of water. Equally as important as where you fish and how

you bait the hook is having the ultimate patience of a fisherman.

The frustration of losing your bait or watching the catch swim

away prompts the same frustrations a genealogist can have when a

search leads nowhere.

 

Finding the right genealogical information is a lot like locating

the right pond, river, or fishing hole in order to catch a

specific kind of fish. The lure or the bait you choose also makes

a difference.

 

Whenever I have difficulty finding data that I need to establish

a relationship, verify a name, date, or place, I think about

fishing. What would an angler do? It is a humorous and fun way of

keeping the search in perspective.

 

FINDING THE RIGHT POND. Random searches are never as productive

as directed searches. Knowing what you are looking for and why

you need it is as important as the search itself. I drop hooks in

the genealogical pond like this:

 

  -- Place queries in quarterlies and magazines that are most

     likely to be read by potential cousins.

  -- Place queries in libraries in the locations where the people

     that are the subject of my search lived or worked.

  -- Subscribe to genealogical quarterlies in the counties and

     states where the subjects of my searches have lived or died.

 

SELECT THE BAIT. Before you bait your hook study the bait. In

other words a squiggling worm is better than a dead one. If you

know something about the data you have dropped in the pond you

are far more likely to be successful in your search. Analyze the

data you have stored in Ultimate Family Tree. Compare dates with

historical events. Understand the quality of the information you

leave for others to find and leave enough information to affect a

match or attract attention.

 

POWER OF COMPUTERS. The research power included in Ultimate

Family Tree makes your fishing trips far more productive. You

can enter data, retrieve data and print data, but more

importantly you can record the sure level of the data, record

sources of information accurately, attach sources to specific

events, associate events with multiple people and places. Because

you have taken the time and effort to qualify the data, you are

confident of the quality of the information you use and that you

post in queries.

 

The power of computing has helped genealogists become better

organized. Computers have allowed us to analyze data to achieve

results in ways that were not possible just 10 short years ago.

Computers are to genealogy as radar is to fishing, and Ultimate

Family Tree <<a href="http://www.uftree.com" target=_blank>http://www.uftree.com> is the ultimate rod and reel.

 

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HUMOR. Thanks to G. Martin <glmartin@ktis.net> (and others) for

sending the following "Top 10" list, author unknown.

 

         TOP 10 INDICATORS THAT YOU'VE BECOME A GENE-AHOLIC

 

10. You introduce your daughter as your descendent.

 9. You've never met any of the people you send e-mail to, even

    though you're related.

 8. You can recite your lineage back eight generations, but can't

    remember your nephew's name.

 7. You have more photographs of dead people than living ones.

 6. You've ever taken a tape recorder and/or notebook to a family

    reunion.

 5. You've not only read the latest GEDCOM standard, but also you

    understand it.

 4. The local genealogy society borrows books from you.

 3. The only film you've seen in the last year was the 1880

    census index.

 2. More than half of your CD collection is made up of marriage

    records or pedigrees.

 1. Your elusive ancestor has been spotted in more different

    places than Elvis!

 

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Reply-To:"Family History" < >From:"Family History" < > Add to Address BookDate:Fri, 9 Oct 1998 09:28:30 +0100Subject:[CRYAN-L] CRYAN incidentalsTo:CRYAN-L@rootsweb.com

 

Hi to everyone, I have been away for a week to Scotland and the Lake

District and so was looking foreward to all the CRYAN mail awaiting my

return  !!! Sadly not a great deal. BUT  a very big thank you to all

those  carrying on the crusade. Very often ,and this is with other lists too, I feel as though I am

reading only part of the conversation and that more is being said/written which

I am not party to. It may be because the correspondance started before I

joined  the list or it may be that some list members are writing to each other

and  only periodically to the list. eg you said earlier that there had been a

discussion about the "FamilyMotto" - I do not know what has been said,

so I  apologise for any repetition........... but on mentioning it to my

brother, he immediately recognised it as part of

the penitential psalm, Psalm 50/51

 "Have mercy on me, O God, in your kindness" in which verse 6  is as

follows"A pure heart create for me ,O God

put a steadfast spirit within me.

Do not cast me away from your presence

nor deprive me from your Holy Spirit."..............

....The Latin text was parallel to this translation. I think that this is a fitting text for a

gravestone anyway but agree that it may have been chosen for the pun

that appears in the Latin. I would think therefore that the family MUST or at least one of

them MUST have been , well educated and versed in Latin. No schoolboy usage

here. I would love to know what was said on the list earlier.

 I would like to make some suggestions:-

    1,  that relevant conversations are carried out on the list, because

often we do not know what we know until someone else's comments unearth

a memory or a resource. Sometimes a suggestion by one or a question by

another can result in a third fi nding that they have the information.

   2,  that requests for look-ups or other information be made to the

list in general rather than privately to individuals because there are lots

of different routes to the source materials. I have never seen anyone so

enthusiastic and as busy as Leslie, she is wonderful , but she can not

be expected to do everything.

   3,  that each list member gives some indication of what they are

doing and where they are interested in. It VERY OFTEN happens that several

months later while doing or reading something unrelated, one finds something

useful and can post it to the appropriate researcher. I know that some of us

belong to other lists which also can produce surprising pieces of information

and cross links. My former boss's motto was "Together we are stronger than

any one of us"  !!!!   What do you think?

  4,   that , and I think that this is MOST important,  everyone makes a

point of acknowledging/saying thank you, for ALL replies made to one's

postings. Another list we belong to has had quite a thorough

correspondance of this point - I would rather it was not necessary, so I say it now. I

know it is very often unintentional, but folk become a little hurt when the

time and trouble are not recognised.

 I think four suggestions are enough :

 My interests:

CRYAN at present Boyle, Drumrat and Kilfree parishes, currently looking

for a birth of John in 1843/4 and a birth of Daniel in 1846/7/8/ and their

parent's marriage. Am gradually creaping nearer by looking at the RC

parish registers. The area of interest is on the border of Co Sligo and Co

Roscommon.  Until again, Eve         - I am trying so hard to keep to my internet

diet , but it is so hard.

 

From:ljstandak@webtv.net (Lyle Staehnke) Add to Address BookDate:Fri, 9 Oct 1998 09:49:03 -0700 (PDT)Subject:Fwd: RE: [CRYAN-L]To:CRYAN-L@rootsweb.com

Recent letter I sent to A cousin in Austin Texas..And thank`s to every

one for the effort put forth to keep us Cryan`s interested and active in

our reearch!!

From: ljstandak@webtv.net (Lyle Staehnke)

Date: Thu, 8 Oct 1998 19:44:00 -0700 (PDT)

To: Harvey.Wohlwend@SEMATECH.Org

Subject: RE: [CRYAN-L]

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Harvey,  =A0=A0=A0=A0First of all please ask any question you want to,I am very

glad to find someone who is as interested in the Cryan`s family as I

am!! I`m retired so send as many e-mail`s and question`s as you

like,,the more the better.. I had thought you had already read my web

page. Any way here is the url

http://members.tripod.com/~havana_2/index.html  By my reconing Danial

had 14 children by two wives (Margaret McDonagh and Mary Moran) I`ve

found his name to be Danial by many record`s.One way was in Lidgerwood

N.Dak. I went to the Parish Priest a couple year`s ago when I was back

there and asked what records they had on the Cryan`s.They had Thomas

Cryan`s record of him dying august 4 1917,and listed his dad a Danial

Cryan and mother as Mary "Moran" Cryan..Also I have it recorded on the

census of Morrisburg Canada.1851-1861-1871 and 1881 in Stormont

county,Ontario Canada. Michael Cryan was a brother to

Austin,Ellen,James, Thomas,Lucy and Joseph Cryan, Plus half brother to

seven older sibling`s. =A0=A0=A0=A0=A0I am just guessing he left Ireland in 1830,because Maria

Cryan was born in 1831 in Morrisburg Canada and he had two children

before born in Ireland,Martin born in 1823 and John whose birthdate I

don`t know.. So it`s just a guess.. Keep asking question`s and the more

the better, If you could see all the Photo copie`s I have it would be

much easier to grasp,, Lyle

 

From:Fatarm@aol.com Add to Address BookDate:Fri, 9 Oct 1998 16:53:22 EDTSubject:[CRYAN-L] My two centsTo:CRYAN-L@rootsweb.com

First, thank you to everyone who subscribed to the list -- not that I'm

done  seeking out interested individuals, but that big push will have to wait

a few days more -- because by doing so we're all a little closer to what we

seek. Second, is everyone else aware that another connection has been made by

Lyleand Harvey with their Dakota Cryans?  I think it's very exciting -- and

also am a little envious.  Thank you, and please continue sharing your

discovery of cousins!

 But before I get carried away, I DO have to recall that not everyone

has the same amount of time to spend o n this part of their genealogy project,

or will be as interested in the same angles of family research that I am.  I

confess to not being so intrigued in my particular Cryans as I am in the general

history of the family group in Ireland and Irish history (at least for

right now).  However, I did advertize the list to many of you with the

phrase, "only generating 3-4 pieces of mail per week just now," and some subscribers

may not appreciate more.

 Last, I think *just about* everyone has posted their research line

[this is another of my not so-subtle hints to get you silent folks to cough-up].

 It might be interesting for some to share more tales of their Cryan

ancestors' lives, in or out of Ireland, to kind-of fill-in the waiting time.  It'd

be fun to continue the informality of this list to try and meet everyone's

needs. And don't worry about thanks -- we're O'Creans, and as such, naturally

gracious!  The last thing I would want to happen is for subscribers to

feel shy about posting, worrying about how polished their phrases are, or

being nervous about its reception.

--- Let's face it!  I'm thrilled to think people are even reading our

postings! --- But I'm new at this and very open to direction, so please continue the

dialogue about this (it helps me think about what I'd like to get out

of this list, as I'm sure it does for others) -- Leslie (perhaps I would have

been better named Bridget so that you all could call me 'Biddy')

 

Reply-To:"Family History" < >From:"Family History" < > Add to Address BookDate:Sat, 10 Oct 1998 20:49:06 +0100Subject:[CRYAN-L] Re Parliamentary Gazeteer extractTo:CRYAN-L@rootsweb.com

 

 

Kathy, Hi,

As a Catholic Parish, Glounthaune will not be an independent entry, the

book only contains civil parishes and other villages and towns. Many of the

names of parishes particularly RC parishes do not relate to any settlement

,so the first reqirement is to find civil parish and settlement

(village/town/townland). Townland, which is a subdivision of a civil

parishis often a good basis for a search, and there are a couple of good

"Townland Search" sites  1) Ireatlas which list all townlands in the

area  specified (PLU, county, barony, parish)   2) Irish Times Ancestor

search of places which has several ways to search - all Ireland or restricted to

county in which on can select by PLU,barony,parish or townland or even

better by selections of letters which appear in the name. I have used

both and in no 2 selected by gl...nt..ne with 14 results, none your spelling

only 2 in Cork PLU.

Next time I have access to the book I will look up both Middleton and

Cork,town and county names and see if anything useful turns up.

The following are the URLs for you to use

  Ireatlas  http://www.thecore.com/cgi-bin/ire-srch/

Irish Times Ancestor Search  http://www.irishtimes.com/ancestor/

List of Catholic Parishes by county (not complete)

http://www.geocities.com/Athens/Parthenon/5327/parishes.htm

Until again, take care, Eve

-----Original Message-----

From: Kathleen A Craine <K-Craine@neiu.edu>

To: Family History < >

Date: 28 September 1998 18:23

Subject: Re:Parliamentary Gazetteer extract

 

 

>Eve:

>>Well, I guess I'm a little backwards in my directions.

>I've consulted my "Tracing Your Irish Ancestors" by John Grenham.  On

page >xvii is a map of Cork-East.  Glounthaune is a Catholic parish bordering

>the north end of Cork Harbor, just *east* of Cork City.  It's about

>halfway between Cork City and Midleton.  There are two Glountane

listings, >but these are not the parishes I'm interested in.  My ancestor's grave

>clearly spells out Glounthaune as her parish of origin.

>>If you have any information about this parish, I'd greatly appreciate

it. >>Thanks.  >Kathy

> 

>On Sat, 26 Sep 1998, Family History wrote:

>> Hi Kathleen, I shall check on a townland search to see if there are

any >> other possibilities. But what do you mean "just N-NW of the city of

Cork">> because Mallow is only about 20miles N of Cork and Glantaine or

variation is

>> marked on my map to be SW of this. Until again ,Eve

>> -----Original Message-----

>> From: Kathleen A Craine <K-Craine@neiu.edu>

>> To: Family History < >

>> Date: 25 September 1998 14:57

>> Subject: Re: [CRYAN-L] Re ;Parliamentary Gazetteer extract

>> >Eve: >> >Thanks, but I don't think that's the Glounthaune I'm looking for.

The >> >parish my ancestors were from is just W-NW of the city of Cork.

>> > >> >thanks anyway.>> >Kathleen Craine>> >Office of Financial Aid

>> >Northeastern Illinois University

>> >Chicago, IL

 

From:"Wendy Evans" <wendyevans@bigpond.com> Add to Address BookDate:Sat, 10 Oct 98 18:00:57 PDTSubject:[CRYAN-L] Thomas CRAWN/CRAUN/CRAHAN/CROUGHANTo:CRYAN-L@rootsweb.com

Hello to everyone,

I thought that it was time that I posted my family details.  I have

been told that my ancestor had eleven variations on the spelling

of his name during his lifetime..  I have listed just a few of them.

I am looking for information on my 5xgreat grandfather Thomas

CRAWN/CRAUN/CRAHAN/CROUGHAN (among other variations

of the name).  He was tried at Dublin in December 1791 and sentenced

to 7 years transportation.  He arrived aboard the "Boddington" in New

South Wales where he served most of his sentence and was sent to

Norfolk Island aboard the "Marquis Cornwallis" in May 1796.  While on

Norfolk Island he married Mary MONKS who also had been tried in Dublin

and sentenced to transportation and arrived in New South Wales aboard

the "Marquis Cornwallis".  She only stayed in NSW a few days and was sent

to  Norfolk Island aboard the "Radiance".

 Thomas and Mary and five children were sent to Van Dieman's Land

(Tasmania) when the first convict settlement on Norfolk Island was disbanded in