From cryanaj@mail.ecn.net.au Wed Jan  7 14:08:44 1998From: "Anthony & Jill Cryan" <cryanaj@ecn.net.au>Organization: The Adjutant's DeskTo: 94971455@tolka.dcu.ie

  HelloThis is just an email wishing to confirm if you are Kevin Cryan from

Dublin who recently sent out research requests for the Cryan/ Crean

family.Thank you.Anthony & Jill Cryancryanaj@ecn.net.au

 

 From adjutant@mail.ozemail.com.au Sat Jan 10 13:15:31 1998

  > Date:          Fri, 9 Jan 1998 17:53:12 +0000 (GMT)> To:            Anthony & Jill Cryan <cryanaj@ecn.net.au>> Subject:       Re: Cryan/ Crean Research> Hi > I sent 620 copies of that letter to Cryan addresses all over the > world. What did you think of it? Did you get my email off the net?>Hello Kevin - nice to hear from you BTW, please count my reply as one also for Gay Cryan (Albion, Brisbane) and Percy Cryan (Coorparoo Brisbane).620 letters ! You have my respect right off.........As for you email address, yes I did get it off the net (Alta Vista is a great search engine).Karen McElrath will be forwarding an email to you with some details of what I know of my Cryan side - as a lead in my GGrandfather was Thomas Cryan from Gurteen, Sligo Ireland (b.1854); his father was a Domnick Cryan who was married to a Catherine Cauly (I have no other details on Domnick).I would be both interested and appreciative of any help you can give

me - as going by the list of material you have in your possession you may at least be able to get me started on more of the Irish side of records etc as far as the line back from Domnick is concerned - I would be willing to cover costs of postage and  copying if need be, but even an email "filling in the gaps" would be great..Cheers TC

Anthony & Jill Cryan

cryanaj@ecn.net.au

 

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From: Tulskone <Tulskone@aol.com>Message-Id: <24397067.34bc5001@aol.com>

Date: Wed, 14 Jan 1998 00:41:19 ESTTo: 94971455@tolka.dcu.ie

Subject: Cryan and O'Beirne

Dear Kevin,Are you the same Kevin whose undated snail mail I received today citing Kit

O'Beirne of Cloonshane?If so, perhaps we could do this by e-mail.

Sincerely,Sean(John E. O'Beirne, ex Tulsk, now NY)

 

hello Karen.I hope that you had a nice Christmas.Just getting back to you on my Cryan research. I have now established that my g-g-grandfather was John Cryan, born approx 1847. Apparantly he went to the US for a few years before he was married and earned enough money there to come home and buy a farm in Co. Sligo. He subsequently married a Mary Ann O'Neill, also from the Ballymote area of Co. Sligo. He had 5 sons and 3 daughters - John, Matthew, Michael, Martin, Harry, Mary Ann, Delia and Nora. Mary Ann was my g-grandmother. Her brother Matthew emigrated to Boston. I have leads to follow up on all the family except Matthew at present. I have a lot of following up to do yet with elderly relatives on the Cryan side, so hopefully I can make more progress.Have you come across any Cryans from Boston in your research? If so and if they are contactable by email, I might try emailing them.

You asked in your email if I been in touch with a Kevin Cryan from Dublin. I haven't - perhaps you can send me contact information for him. I don't know yet if Sligo was the origin of my Cryan line, but its no harm to have contact info for other Cryan lines in case I ever make a connection.Thanks for you help. Good luck with your own research - maybe we'll

establish a link when we make more progress.Best wishes for the New Year.

Regards,Michael

 

 From: ljstandak@webtv.net (Lyle Staehnke)Date: Sat, 10 Jan 1998 20:53:43 -0800

To: 94971455@tolka.dcu.ie (caoimhghin ocroidheain)Subject: Re: cryans

 Kevin, I am in the process of moving,, I will be in my new place on Jan

15th,, The address is 3533 N.E. 149th Portland Ore. 97230,, After I get

moved in and settled down my plan is to get a home page and enter all

the information that I have,, If you have another news letter you sent

out I would like to have one or any other info on the Cryan`s,,, If you

have any question`s that you think I might have the answer to,, let me

know  ,Good luck Kevin ,, Lyle ,,,.

 

From dublin@sympatico.ca Wed Jan 14 23:39:52 1998 From: sioban mullin <dublin@sympatico.ca>Reply-To: dublin@sympatico.caX-Mailer: Mozilla 3.01C-SYMPA  

KevinMichael Tobin gave me you email address and told me you were researching

the Cryan family.  My maternal grandmother was a Cryne, she was born and

reared in Manchester, England but her parents apparently came from

Tubbecurry, Co. Sligo.  I cant find any references to the name CRYNE in

the Irish records I have so far.  My assumption is that when they went

to Enlgand the spelling of the name changed.  Michael tells me that you

have information about the name, and say it originates in Roscommon.  I

would love to hear from you with any info you have on the subject.  I

realise this genealogy thing can snowball and you may not have time to

get into lengthy details, however, if you can get in touch I would

appreciate it.Bye the way, Michael mentioned you live in Dublin.  I live on the edge

of  one of the Great Lakes, Lake Erie in Southern Ontario, just moved

here last August from Ottawa; however, I'm Dublin born and bred.  Four

generations of my family have lived in Blackrock.  I still have cousins

there.Hoping to hear from you.Sioban Mullin

 

Dear Kevin, Thank you for your letter of recent regarding our "Cryan" families.  Theonly information that I have pertaining to my Cryan family is as follows:         My paternal great grandmother, Jane (Jennie) Carroll Donovan, wasthe daughter of Cormack and Brigid (Cryan)        Carroll.  Jane was baptized on October 21, 1855 at Boyle Parish,Co. Roscommon.  Cormack Carroll and  Brigid Cryan were married on February 17, 1848 at Boyle Parish. Witnesses to this marriage were James        Gallagher and Margaret Cryan.  According to the records at the Co.Roscommon Heritage and Genealogical        Center, other Cryan members were Baptismal Sponsors for thechildren of Cormack and Brigid.  Those        names were Michael, Brigid, John (Cryne), and James Cryan. Unfortunately no address was given for either        Cormack or Brigid.        Cormack and Brigid Carroll's oldest and only surviving son, JamesCarroll, was born November 11, 1851        (sponsors were Michael and Brigid Cryan).  James married MargaretNicholson of Aughee on February 5,        1884 at Boyle Parish.  Their address was given as Garrow.  Thewitnesses to this marriage were James        Cryan and Mary Feehily.  James and Margaret Carroll had sevenchildren, the youngest two were born        here in Massachusetts.

>From the information that I was able to acquire from the Co. RoscommonHeritage & Genealogical Center is that my ancestors, Cormack and BrigidCarroll had owned a house, offices, and land (33 acres, 3 buildings, 25 P.)according to the Griffiths Valuation.  According to the Tithe ApplotmentBook, a J.S. Carroll was listed (possible father of Cormack).  Cormack andBrigid's first son was name James (died).  They then named their second sonJames (above).  Unfortunately, no records of either Cormack or Brigid'sbaptism/birth at the Parish of Boyle were found.  If J.S. Carroll wasindeed Cormack's father and he was living in Garrow at the time of theTithe Applotment Book, then what Parish did Cormack's family belong if notBoyle!  My own father's godmother was a Margaret  (Peg) Cryan of Lowell,Massachusetts.  I haven't yet begun to investigate the Cryan family inLowell.  Most of my time has been devoted to the "Donovan" family andtrying to find where in Ireland they emigrated from. Could your great great grandfather, John Cryan, be a brother to my greatgreat grandmother, Brigid Cryan Carroll and the baptismal sponsor, JohnCryne, to Margaret Carrol baptized on August 4, 1853? Look forward to hearing from you.  Best wishes to you and your family forhappy and healthy New Year! Regards, Joan E. Ogg P.S.  A printout of my complete "Cryan" family line to follow in mail.

 

From cryan@avana.net Sat Jan 10 23:55:43 1998 

Kevin,    I'd be interested in getting something back from you, after the detailed information I sent you.  I'd be interested in other cryan e-mails.  (I know you offer this because it is the easiest.)  More particularly, however, I'd like more information on the resources you've collected. I understand that the National Library (or the National Archives) has the estate records of Lord Lorton, whose seat was in Boyle, Roscommon; whose estate stretched from East Sligo across North Roscommon and into Leitrim; and who, I'm told, did not lease through middlemen, but only through his own agents.  This estate, it seems to me, represents the whole native lands

of the Cryans.  Have you explored this? Specifically, have you found record of a James Cryan (married to Honoria Beirne or Honora Byrne in the Sligo parish of Kilfree and Killaragt in

1853) originally from Sligo and given a lease in the townland of Ballinultha (old spelling Ballynanultagh), where he was at the time of Griffith's Valuation in 1857.I have a considerable amount of additional information about my own relatives in this country which will have to wait for some more specific response from yourself. I await your response.

                                                Roger Martin Cryan

> From: caoimhghin ocroidheain <94971455@tolka.dcu.ie> > To: Roger Cryan and Regina Pana-Cryan <cryan@avana.net>> Subject: cryans> Date: Friday, January 09, 1998 1:23 PM

> > hi> Happy new year I am getting som e responses to my cryan letter (620 sent).

> MIght eventually be able to tie some together! Could you send me your own> cryan tree details? would you be interested in other cryan researchers emails?> Email me or send to either of these addresses> 44 st columbas rise, swords, co dublin, ireland

> or 231 campus res., ballymun rd., dublin 9> > yours sincerely> kevin cryan

 

From rsl@rootsweb.com Thu Jan  8 15:12:22 1998

  Kevin, The recent release of the Root Surname List (RSL) contained new orupdated information from you.  Attached to the bottom of this formletter is the information we currently have in our files.  Let us knowabout any errors.  (If all is well, there is no need to respond to thisnote.) Feel free to send in modifications or additions at any time.  If you do,though, help us by identifying which information is new and which is achange to old.  Please please do not resubmit information we already have inour files.  Also, whenever you correspond with us, please be sure to remindus of your nametag -- that is how we know for sure that you are you,so to speak.  Your nametag is: kc949714

For information about the RSL, how to get a copy, etc., send any

message to rsl-info@genealogy.org

A table of the abbreviations that are used is located at

    http://www.rootsweb.com/roots-l/cabbrev1.html

Your surnames are also now on the WWW, in the RSL database accessible

from     http://www.rootsweb.com/rootsweb/searches/

Thanks again for participating!      Roots Surname List Data Entry Team

                                        RSL@rootsweb.com

P.S. Corrections and changes we've received very recently

are not reflected in the data below.Your address info:

kc949714 Kevin Cryan, 94971455@tolka.dcu.ie                                   

         231, campus residences, ballymun road, dublin 9, ireland             

Your surname info:+Cryan        1836   now IRL>USA kc949714                                      

 

Hello Karen My name is Tony Cryan and I live in Brisbane, Queensland,

Australia.Although interested in history for quite a while - and helping others

at times with their searches - it is only now I am hoping to work a

bit more on my own family.I only have the slight basics at this stage, so any possible

help you may give me would be greatly appreciated.My GG Grandfather was Domnick Cryan (m. Catherine Cauly) - no dates/ other information  at present.My G Grandfather was Thomas Cryan born in Gurteen, Sligo, Ireland in 1854. He arrived in Australia approx 1877 and in 1884

married Ellen Hayes (b. 1860, Rossmore, Tipperary, Ireland).They had 6 Children - Mary Catherine (Catherin Mary ??);  (b. 1885 ?) Domnick Francis (b. 1886 ?);  Cornelius Patrick (b. Oct 1888); Thomas (b. 1890 ?) James (b. 1892 ?)  and Winifred Dorothy (b. Oct 1894 ?)GGrandfather Thomas died of mania/ exahaustion in 1894.My Grandfather, Cornelius was born in 1888 at Gympie, Australia.In 1914 he married Ethel Frances Cozens and in 1918 they had a son, Percy.Cornelius died of Arteriosclerosis in 1961.Percy married Gloria Connor in 1922 and had a son - Anthony in 1961.I married Jillian Francis in 1988 and our son Jonathan was born in 1994.Through your note in Kevin's letter, I am very interested to see if there is a family connection from the Sligo end.Also, could you tell me what unit your Patrick Cryan enlisted in during the American Civil War - or any other information you may have about his service.BTW - Pleased to meet you.Cheers.TCAnthony & Jill Cryan

cryanaj@ecn.net.au

 

JAN98

Domnick Cryan  (m.  Catherine Cauly) Farmer Born: Ireland   I have found the following for his son Thomas (b.1854 came to Aust  approx 1877) - his children were all born in Oz, but I have included the info for name recognition purposes: Thomas Cryan b. 1854 d. 06/12/1894 (m. Gympie 09/07/1884 Ellen Hayes b. 1860) Miner  Born: Gurteen, Sligo, Ireland  Arrived Australia: Approx 1877

Children:       Mary Catherine (Catherine Mary ?) (b. 1885 ?)

                Domnick Francis (b. 1886 ?) (m. Mary Ann Mclean b.1892 d. 1917???? )

                Cornelius Patrick (b. Oct 1888)

                Thomas (b. 1890 ?)

                James (b. 1892 ?)

 

M TOBIN INFO JAN98

I have now established that my g-g-grandfather was John Cryan, born approx 1847. Apparantly he went to the US for a few years before he was married and earned enough money there to come home and buy a  farm in Co.Sligo. He subsequently married a Mary Ann O'Neill, also from the Ballymote area of Co. Sligo. He had 5 sons and 3 daughters -John, Matthew, Michael, Martin, Harry, Mary Ann, Delia and Nora. Mary Ann was my g-grandmother. Her brother Matthew emigrated to Boston. I have leads to follow up on all the family except Matthew at present. I  have a lot of following up to do yet with elderly relatives on the Cryan side, so hopefully I can make more progress. ? Have you come across any Cryans from Boston in your research? If so and if they are contactable by email, I might try emailing them. You asked in your email if I been in touch with a Kevin Cryan from Dublin. I haven't - perhaps you can send me contact information for him. I don't know yet if Sligo was the origin of my Cryan line, but its no harm to have contact info for other Cryan lines in case I ever make a connection. Thanks for you help. Good luck with your own research - maybe we'll establish a link when we make more progress. Best wishes for the New Year.

 

MULLIN INFO JAN98

Michael Tobin gave me you email address and told me you were researchingthe Cryan family.  My maternal grandmother was a Cryne, she was born andreared in Manchester, England but her parents apparently came fromTubbecurry, Co. Sligo.  I cant find any references to the name CRYNE inthe Irish records I have so far.  My assumption is that when they wentto Enlgand the spelling of the name changed.  Michael tells me that youhave information about the name, and say it originates in Roscommon.  Iwould love to hear from you with any info you have on the subject.  Irealise this genealogy thing can snowball and you may not have time toget into lengthy details, however, if you can get in touch I wouldappreciate it.Bye the way, Michael mentioned you live in Dublin.  I live on the edgeof  one of the Great Lakes, Lake Erie in Southern Ontario, just movedhere last August from Ottawa; however, I'm Dublin born and bred.  Fourgenerations of my family have lived in Blackrock.  I still have cousinsthere. Hoping to hear from you.

 

Date: Tue, 31 Mar 1998 11:35:14 +1000 (EST)From: Joanne R Grant <fileworks@albury.net.au>To: Kevin Cryan <94971455@tolka.dcu.ie>

Subject: CRYAN SEARCHING DOWNUNDER

Hi Kevin,Perhaps I have found your PATRICK CRYAN - or at least his descendants.

The 'Irish Roots' article has just reached me (takes a while to get here)and I remembered my search for 'PADDY' CRYAN a few years ago.He is NOT my ancestor, but is connected to my HENERY/HENRY family from CoRoscommon in a very round-about way.The PATRICK MICHAEL CRYAN - born circa 1873 - about whom I have someinformation, was, I am told, possibly the son of another 'PADDY' CRYAN.   Ihave not yet obtained his death certificate to confirm this.He was a publican in Roma, Queensland where he died in 1941. He left nodescendants.  Roma is 'in the outback' - (west of Brisbane, if you have amap)  and I visited the town and photographed his grave.  A local historianthought that he had a photograph of PADDY's father, an early settler,  takenwith some aboriginal people - but I have heard nothing further from this man.He married FRANCES MARY REGAN in Sydney, NSW in 1908.   FRANCES had asister, EMILY who was married to JOHN JOSEPH HENERY.   JOHN, (or JJ as hewas known), is the brother of my great-grandfather EDWARD JOSEPH HENERY

(1857-1935).  This HENERY family came from CLONOWN, ATHLONE and I suspect

that the REGAN family were also from the same area.I have a few more details and can add to this story if you are interested.Please advise if you want to know more.Best regards,   Jo

 Joanne R Grant                  * FILEWORKS Records Management

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         v    Downunder    :-) Greetings from the Magnificent Upper MurrayFrom: Harvey Wohlwend <harvey.wohlwend@SEMATECH.Org>To: 94971455@tolka.dcu.ieCc: harvey.wohlwend@SEMATECH.OrgSubject: Cryan genealogy

Hello Kevin,I found your name via an Internet search for Irish genealogy and theCryan surname. My mother's maiden name is Cryan. Unforturnately sheknows very little about her ancestors. Through research I now believeher ancestors emigrated to Canada from Ireland after 1826 and before1852. They moved from Canada to the United States in 1887.Are the Cryans originally from a particular area of Ireland?Looking forward to hearing from you.Regards, Harvey WohlwendAustin, Texas, USA

Date: Wed, 18 Mar 1998 20:35:38 -0500 From: Janeson Keeley <JanesonKeeley@pobox.com>To: 94971455@tolka.dcu.ie

Subject: Cryan entry in Roots surname listI found your e-mail address via Roots surname list.

My husband's mother was born Carrye Catheryne Cryan in Rainelle, West

Virginia, USA, in 1912.  She died when my husband was a child, and he

was never sure what country the Cryans had come from originially.

On a wild guess, I supposed that the name was Irish, but was never able

to confirm that until I found your listing.

Thanks!Janeson KeeleyRoanoke, VA, USAJanesonKeeley@pobox.com

From: UIA1 <UIA1@aol.com>To: 94971455@tolka.dcu.ieSubject: Re: Hello

Kevin,     Thanks for your e-mail.  I have already found out the names of the Offaly

papers, but I appreciate your help in the matter.  If I can ever help you with

anything here in the U.S., please don't hesitate to send me an e-mail.

      I live in West Hartford, which is outside of Hartford, which is the

capitol of Connecticut.  Where are you located ?

      I think that IRISH ROOTS is a great magazine. Always interesting stuff

in it.  We know in detail about three of my grandparents but know nothing of

my grandfather and his Offaly roots.  Mainly I have spent most of my time in

Kenmare in Kerry because both of my maternal grandparents are from there.

     Thanks again for everything, and e-mail me anytime - if I can answer any

question about the U.S. or help in any matter.

John Horan<uia1@aol.com>

 

Date: Sat, 28 Mar 1998 14:18:59 -0500 From: Janeson Keeley <JanesonKeeley@pobox.com>To: caoimhghin ocroidheain <94971455@tolka.dcu.ie>

Subject: Re: Cryan entry in Roots surname listcaoimhghin ocroidheain wrote:> hi> just a quick note to say Igot your message I might send the info re> cryans through Yahoo but I dont have the disc on me at the moment it> also> contains the Cryan death index (ireland)> Caoimh (gentle ) g(h)in (birth) "Kevkevin> O (from Avios - grandson , mac-soon)> Croidhe (heart) ain -noble (cryan) > caoimhghin-----Caoimhghin,

 

Thanks for the note, and the translation of your names.  I'm sure thatneither my husband nor I have even begun to pronounce them correctly:-)  (My husband's name is Marion Errold Lyon, Jr., but he goes byBuffy.)Last weekend we went to Rainelle, WV, to see the graves of Buffy's

grandfather Michael C. (1877-1930) and uncle Jesse Lewis (1916-1932)Cryan.  We found out that his grandfather was born in Pennsylvania.  Wethink that Michael's parents came from Ireland to PA, but we have nodocumentation of that.We also found out that Buffy has a cousin that he never knew aboutbefore - John S. Cryan - who is also doing research on the  family.  Wemailed him a letter last week, but haven't heard from him yet.  Maybe hehas gotten back farther than we've been able to.If I find out anything more, I'll let you know.  Thanks for keeping meposted.-Janeson

 

Date: Sat, 28 Mar 1998 16:01:41 +0000 (GMT)From: caoimhghin ocroidheain <94971455@tolka.dcu.ie>To: DSchaub1 <DSchaub1@aol.com>Subject: Re: The Cryan Game   Thanks for your very interesting letter - I have to rush but I think youshould try the roscommon-sligo homepage they have a huge growing list offamily researchers -I shall look up your bookThe link between crane crehan and cryean/crean is fascinating - we should consolidate info maybe you could send me copies of the most importantstuff - the search widens all the time! I have a lotof cryan researcher addresses  but no crehans or cranes.keep in touchKevin Cryanlet me know if you wzant copies of my material!!

 

Date: Sun, 22 Mar 1998 20:17:45 EST From: DSchaub1 <DSchaub1@aol.com>

To: 94971455@tolka.dcu.ieSubject: The Cryan Game

Dear Kevin,                 Greetings from Calumet City, Illinois, U. S. A.  I waspleased to read your article in Irish Roots Magazine.  Hopefully, you might beable to consolidate the Cryan, Crean and Crehan clan worldwide whereby acentralized source of information would be established.  I have been searchingfor my branch of the Crehan family for the past 18 years and I looked forwardto the day when someone such as yourself; especially in the home country,Ireland, might be able to consolidate our individual efforts towards a commongoal.  I believe our family names have been sorely neglected in favor of themore popular Irish surnames.  The names that are associated with my branch of the Crehanfamily are Cuddy or Cuddihy.  My great-grandparents were Patrick Crehan (born1844) and Mary Cuddihy (born 1846).  They were married in Silvermines/Nenagh, Tipperary on 2 August 1863 where Patrick worked as a miner.  Their daughter,Mary, was born on 24 December 1864.  They immigrated to America in 1868 wheremy great-grandfather continued his trade as a miner and where their succeedingchildren, including my grandfather, John Crane, were born.  I am also certainthat my great-grandmother's parent's names were Denis (born 1810) and Anne(born 1810) Cuddihy.  To this date it appears that I have exhausted all of theknown sources of information available to me in Ireland as regards to tracingexactly where it was that my great-grandparents originated from.                 You might be pleased to know that I have obtained, over theyears, quite an extensive amount of research material that includes some ofthe very source material that you have mentioned in your article.  Inaddition, I have only recently placed an order, not yet received, for theIndex of the Griffith's Valuation that is advertised on page 11 of the currentissue of Roots Magazine.  Also, for your information, I have a book on file atthe National Library of Ireland that I sent to them some years ago and that Ititled, "Green Is The Valley, Blue Are The Hills."  The book tells the storyof my search for my ancestors.                 Do you think that you might be able to put me in touch withsomeone who might be researching my branch of the Crehan family?  If so, Iwould certainly appreciate it.  At present, I am writing to you on mydaughter's computer in her home.  She lives about 3 to 4 miles from where Ilive.  My home address is: Thomas Crane   1354  Hirsch Street , Calumet City,Illinois 60409  U.S.A.  My telephone number is: (708) 862-8954.  Since it isabout 7:00 pm here in the US, and you are about 6 hours ahead of us in time,you probably will not read this letter until you get up in the morning.  Inthat case, "Have a good day."  God Bless.

 

Date: Sun, 5 Apr 1998 16:08:44 EDTFrom: DSchaub1 <DSchaub1@aol.com>

To: caoimhghin ocroidheain <94971455@tolka.dcu.ie>Subject: Re: The Cryan Game

 Dear Kevin,It was nice to receive your reply to my message.  I would be happy to exchange

info with you.  I recently purchased the CD Rom for Griffith's Valuation asadvertised in "Irish Roots."  It should prove to be a valueable research tool.In the meantime, since you are experienced in looking up death records at theGeneral Register Office, I wonder if you would be willing to research one forme.  I would gladly pay you for any expense plus postage.  I am certain thatthe person who I am interested in was my great-grandfather's sister.  Her name

was Bridget Crehan.  She married a Joseph Lacy in Silvermines, Tipperary on 25Feb 1854.  They had 3 children; John (born 2 Oct 1856), Margaret (born 26 May1861) and Michael (born 6 Sept 1863)  Although some not agree with me, Isuspect she remarried as a widow using her maiden name.  The reason why I saythis is because I have obtained the record of a Bridget Crehan (listed asthis is because I have obtained the record of a Bridget Crehan (listed aswidow) who was also married in Silvermines to a Martin Burns on 18 Jan 1874.I suspect that this Bridget Crehan is one and the same and even though it wasnot indicated as such, she was the widow of Joseph Lacy.  Since she did notmove out of the Silvermines area, I believe that she might be buried there.Hopefully, by chance, they might have recorded her parent's names.  If so, mysearch would be over as that is about as far as I could possibly take it.Would it be too difficult for you to research these names, that is BridgetLacy and Bridget Burns?  Please let me know.  I could probably request theinfo from the Nenagh District Heritage Center, but I have a felling that youmight be more exact in your search due to your experience.  I will be looking

forward to your reply.  In the meantime, Best Wishes.        Tom Crane

 

Date: Fri, 03 Apr 1998 21:15:53 -0500 From: Janeson Keeley <JanesonKeeley@pobox.com>

To: 94971455@tolka.dcu.ieSubject: Cryan info, part 2

Kevin, I got a file from Harvey Wohlwend as well.  Thanks for connecting us all

together. I noticed that you didn't have my full address.  If you send out anaddendum, feel free to include it: 1941 Governor Dr.Roanoke, VA  24019-3619 USA

 

I noticed that you have a list of Cryan births from the MormonGenealogical Index.  Is there any way you could send me a copy?  Orcould I send you names of people to check on?  Or, could you tell me howI noticed that you have a list of Cryan births from the MormonGenealogical Index.  Is there any way you could send me a copy?  Orcould I send you names of people to check on?  Or, could you tell me howto get one? Thanks from my beloved spouse and me, JanesonCc: caoimhghin@yahoo.com, 94971455@tolka.dcu.ie, fileworks@albury.net.au Subject: Re: cryan info

 

Harvey,I'm sorry, but I jumped the gun with my last message, sending it before reading the document you sent. As I mentioned, my husband's grandfather, Michael C. Cryan, was born in Pennsylvania (at least that is the family lore - we have nodocumentation) in 1877 and died in West Virginia in 1930.  We have notbeen able to get back any further than that.If you know of any possible connections, I would appreciate hearing about them. My husband - whose name is M. Errold ("Buffy") Lyon, Jr., is the second child of Michael's second daughter - Carrye Catheryne Cryan - who diedin 1960 in Roanoke, VA. ? If you know of any possible connections, I would appreciate hearing about them. My husband - whose name is M. Errold ("Buffy") Lyon, Jr., is the second child of Michael's second daughter - Carrye Catheryne Cryan - who diedin 1960 in Roanoke, VA. Good luck with your research. Janeson Keeley

1941 Governor Dr.Roanoke, VA  24019-3619 USA

 

Date: Sun, 5 Apr 1998 06:47:04 +1000 (EST)From: Joanne R Grant <fileworks@albury.net.au>To: Kevin Cryan <94971455@tolka.dcu.ie>Subject: REPLY TO CRYAN INFO

Hi Kevin Message received with attach GENABS.DOC.  Will take a while to digest.  Also

info from Janeson Keeley altho cannot quite see the relevance of this. I have joined the Co Roscommon Family History Society and have sent info onHENERY/HENRY family but still awaiting a reply. I wonder if there was any connection between the HENERY family and the CRYANfamil, in Athlone or Clonown, prior to their immigration to Australia? Best regards,  Jo

 

Ancestors of Michael Cryan

Generation No. 1

 

        1.  Michael Cryan, born in Ireland.  He married (1) Mary.  She was the daughter of Mary's Father and Mary's Mother.

Notes for Michael Cryan:

The Irish potato famine was primarily between 1845 and 1850. These Cryan's most probably came to Canada from Ireland after 1826 and before 1852.

If they came in through New York: The Irish Emigrant Society of New York was organized in 1841 and chartered in 1844; its objective was "to afford advice, information, aid and protection to Emigrants from Ireland, and generally to promote their welfare."

Between 1820-1830 50,000 Irish immigrants enter the United States. In 1821 a general population census is taken (most of which was destroyed by fire in 1922 making genealogy difficult). Between 1824-1838 the tithe applotments (or tax lists) are compiled. This Griffith's Valuation is a census alternative. Between 1848-1864 a householder list is compiled of every householder and land owner/renter. This is the Index of Surnames from Griffith's Valuation. Between 1830-1840 237,000 Irish immigrants enter the United States. Between 1840-1850 The Great Famine strikes, more than 1,000,000 Irish men and women emigrate. Between 1840-1850 800,000 Irish immigrants enter the United States.

Eleanor Wohlwend remembers hearing that there were 21 children in this family by 3 different wives.

Notes for Mary:

The 1900 census says Mary and her two sons Michael and Joseph came to the United States (from Canada?) in 1887. At the time of the census Mary could not read or write and had not been naturalized. Michael and Joseph were naturalized citizens. The 1900 census also lists a 15 year old servant in the house by the name of Anna Stibal who can read and write. She is later to become Mrs. Joseph Daniel Cryan.

It is interesting to note that they moved to Cayuga, North Dakota and that there is a town by the name of Cayuga on the Grand River in North Cayuga Township and it is the county seat of Haldimand County, Ontario. There is also a South Cayuga Township in Haldimand County, Ontario.

Mary is not included in the 1910 census so she probably passed away between 1900 and 1910.

        Children of Michael Cryan and Mary are:

                           i.    Austin Cryan, born Abt. 1852 in Ontario, Canada; married Margaret Barry Abt. 1885.

Notes for Austin Cryan:

The 1900 North Dakota census (Roll 1232, page 52B) says he came to the United States in 1870 and that he was naturalized. He owned the farm with a mortgage. A servant by the name of Evan O. Jones, born Aug. 1847 in Wales, is also in the house.

The 1910 North Dakota census says they have 9 children, 8 living. They are all still living at home. Also in the household was an 18 year old hired man (Henry Wargeria) and a 23 year old boarder (Arnest Fust).

The 1900 census says his parents were born in Canada (Eng). The 1910 census says his parents were born in Ireland.

He moved to Houston, Texas about 1920.

Notes for Margaret Barry:

The 1900 census says Margaret came to the United States in 1885 and that she was not naturalized.

                          ii.    James Cryan, born January 1854 in Canada (Eng.); married Sarah A. Abt. 1897.

Notes for James Cryan:

James lived south of Lake Tewaukon in Sargent County, North Dakota. He later moved to Havana, ND.

The 1900 North Dakota census says he came to the United States in 1880. He and Sarah can both read and write English and they own the farm free of mortgage.

The 1910 North Dakota census includes one 22 year old hired man by the name of Ed Hobby who was born in Wisconsin.

In the 1920 North Dakota census James is in the Enumeration District 159, page 4.

                         iii.    Joseph Daniel Cryan, born January 05, 1863 in Canada (Eng.)1; died December 05, 1932 in Cayuga, North Dakota; married Anna Marie Theresa Stibal January 19, 1904 in St. Martin's, Geneseo, North Dakota.

Notes for Joseph Daniel Cryan:

The homestead was 4 miles south and 2 miles east of Cayuga. The family moved into Cayuga when Eleanor was ready to start school.

The 1900 and 1910 census lists Joe as being born in January 1871. The 1920 census suggests Joe was born in 1868.

The 1900 North Dakota census lists Michael as head of the household and he owned the farm free of mortgage.

The 1910 North Dakota census lists both Michael and Joe as head of the same household. There is also a hired girl and a hired man in the house.

The 1920 North Dakota census lists Joe as the head of the household and Michael is a brother living in the house. There is also one 22 year old hired man in the house.

More About Joseph Daniel Cryan:

Death: December 07, 1932, Buried in Cayuga, ND.

Cause of Death: Stroke.

Notes for Anna Marie Theresa Stibal:

Minnesota became a state on May 11, 1858. It has 84,068 square miles and is the 32th state. It was originally settled on March 3, 1849 and was a territory for 9 years. During that time it was known as Northwest Territory, Dakota Territory, and Minnesota Territory.

Anna's father spoke Bohemian and her mother spoke German. They learned English when Anna went to school.

More About Anna Marie Theresa Stibal:

Death: March 10, 1947, Anna is buried in Cayuga, ND

                         iv.    Michael Cryan, born October 20, 1863 in Canada (Eng.)2; died August 10, 1921 in Cayuga, North Dakota.

Notes for Michael Cryan:

The 1900 North Dakota census gives his birth date as October 1867. It also says Michael owned the farm free of mortgage.

The 1910 census suggests Michael was born in 1870.

He never married.

                          v.    Thomas Cryan.

Notes for Thomas Cryan:Thomas was a barber in Havana, North Dakota. He never married.

Endnotes1.  From the 1910 census, roll 1148, page 95A.2.  Tombstone in Cayuga.

 

        <Fatarm@aol.com> Add to Address Book   Date:    Tue, 7 Jul 1998 08:59:10 EDT

    To:        caoimhghin@yahoo.com Subject:   Re: cryan info - thank you

I was able to retrieve your information very easily as a .txt file.  And, I'mpretty certain I located my Great Great Grandfather's death record  through it,shedding more light and a place to look for information re: his death.  There aren't too many Robert Cryans, thank goodness. I read your intro with great interest, but no light to shine on your search for info on "Master Cryan" (at least as of yet).  Since I initially contacted you my grandmother has revealed to me a British passport for her mother, Agnes Cryan Smyth.  It is interesting, should you not and yet wish to know it, that she was not naturalized as a US citizen (although her husband was).  And since she was not living in Ireland after the beginning of the Republic, eventhough her last residence was in Dublin (and born in Castlebar, Co Mayo - againthanks to the passport), she was still a British citizen because she was born one. Checking out Irish citizenship rules will be an interesting bit of history for me to read about one of these days. Now I have a question of politics to ask you - if you can spare the time andadvice.  I don't think my Cryans were on the Collins' side of things exactly, as my Great Great Grandfather Robert was a member of the Royal Constabulary. After she was widowed, my Great Great Grandmother Frances Fox Cryan wasa housekeeper in a boarding house for British Officers (1901-teens), until she came over here with her daughter Agnes (Frances died early on here and is buried in the Bronx, poor woman).  My grandmother remembers Agnes and her husband being big supporters of the Republic and talking about Irish politics all the time.  And yet, will I have problems trying to trace stuffabout their lives at the beginning of this century?  Did the new Republic's enthusiasmseek to wipe out records of British rule?  A lot of newly created governments tend to, don't they.  I'm just curious about this aspect. Well, I've been rambling in your direction for a while, so I should leave you be now.  Do you have anything else computerized, such as the birth or marriage records index?   I noted the addresses you sent and have collected similar for Mayo.  So if that's the way I should go, please say so again. Thank you for your help and history -- you've gotten me much further along my way than I ever expected to get so quickly.    --Leslie Poché, Chicago

 

From:        Fatarm@aol.com Add to Address Book   Date:        Wed, 9 Sep 1998 22:15:14 EDT

 Subject:        [CRYAN-L] Griffith's Valuation: first 1/2 of Co. Roscommon    To:        CRYAN-L@rootsweb.com

If anyone can link up to one of the below, please let me know.  These are onlyCo. Roscommon variations on Crean/Cryan etc., and so far I've only transcribedup to the Barony of Ballintober, South for Union of Roscommon (for those inthe know).  Griffith's was done in Co. Roscommon in 1857.  I've only  listedthe Parish, Townland, name of occupier and lessor.  It's sorted by occupier

name.  Hope it gives someone new information:

Killumod/Cartron:       Clyan, Henry    Dunne, John, MD

Taghmaconnell/Eskerberg:        Crean, Edward   Smyth, Henry

Taghmaconnell/Eskerberg:        Crean, John     Kelly, Thomas

Kilnamanagh/Kingsland:  Creen, Patrick  Conmee, Matthew

Ardcarn/Errironagh:     Crian, Michael  Peyton, Charles

Kilnamanagh/Ardmoyh:    Crine, Bartholomew      McCausland, Marcus

Kilbride/Grange:        Croghan, Hugh   Farrell, Reps. Daniel

Kilronan/Aghafin:       Croghan, James  O'Conor, Arthur

Fuerty/Emlaghkeadew:    Croghan, Matthew        Coote, Sir Charles Henry, Bart.

Fuerty/Emlaghkeadew:    Croghan, Matthew        Coote, Sir Charles Henry, Bart.

Kilbride/Derrane:       Croghan, Michael        Sands, William

Shankill/Kilnamryall:   Croghan, Patrick        Coote, Sir Charles H., Bt.

Shankill/Kilnamryall:   Croghan, Patrick        Coote, Sir Charles H., Bt.

Kilmacumsy/Lismacool:   Croghan, Patrick        Coote, Sir. Charles H. Coote, Bt.

St. Peters/Monksland:   Croghan, Richard        Wilson, Robert S.

St. Peters/Monksland:   Croghan, Richard        Wilson, Robert S.

Kilcolagh/Laughbally:   Croghan, Rose   Grace, Oliver D.J.

Fuerty/Emlaghkeadew:    Croghan, Thomas Coote, Sir Charles Henry, Bart.

Fuerty/Emlaghkeadew:    Croghan, Thomas Coote, Sir Charles Henry, Bart.

Kilbride/Cloonerk:      Croghan, William        Blakeny, Sarah Anne

Killumod/Finnor:        Cryan, Bryan    Barrett, Michael

Killumod/Derraun:       Cryan, Catherine        Caddell, Richard O'F.

Boyle/Town of Boyle:    Cryan, Catherine        Cox, Mary

Boyle/Town of Boyle:    Cryan, Dr. Peter        Bromwell, John

Boyle/Ballynanultagh:   Cryan, James    Viscount Lorton

Boyle/Ballynanultagh:   Cryan, James    Viscount Lorton

Kilbride/Cashelmeehan:  Cryan, James    Thewles, John E.

Killumod/Finnor:        Cryan, James    Barrett, Michael

Killumod/Culleenatreen, or Flagford:    Cryan, John     Crofton, Henry W.

Kilbryan/Smutternagh:   Cryan, John     Viscount Lorton

Killumod/Finnor:        Cryan, Luke     Barrett, Michael

Kilbryan/Smutternagh:   Cryan, Margaret Viscount Lorton

Killukin/Ballyculleen:  Cryan, Martin   Keogh, Thomas

Killumod/Carrowreagh:   Cryan, Mary     Boylan, Thomas

Kilbride/Cashelmeehan:  Cryan, Michael  Thewles, John E.

Boyle/Deerpark: Cryan, Michael  Viscount Lorton

Boyle/Deerpark: Cryan, Michael  Viscount Lorton

Estersnow/Granny:       Cryan, Patrick  Robinson, Rev. William

Boyle/Town of Boyle:    Cryan, Paul     Mulhall, David

Killumod/Culleenatreen, or Flagford:    Cryan, Peter    Crofton, Henry W.

Ardcarn/Clegna: Cryan, Roger    O'Hara, Patrick Jun.

 

From:        Fatarm@aol.com Add to Address Book     Date:        Tue, 8 Sep 1998 18:38:40 EDT Subject:        [CRYAN-L] Crehan/Crgehan    To:        CRYAN-L@rootsweb.com

Another poster of names!  Yeah!:The Crehan's I have are my maternal grandmother's family, and the  spelling hasbeen consistant for a while.  I've seen it on my line spelled Creghan too.These are the names I have.Michael Crehan b 1855 Ballybane, Co. Galway  married--Catherine Kinsella b 1855 Ballybane, Co. Galwaychildren:  :Matthew Bernard Daniel Lawrence Michael Winifred Ellen DeliaJamesCatherine Margaret Bernard was my great-grandfather.  He came to the US in 1909, and got  his papers in 1919.  My grandmother doesn't know very much else, she went to

Ireland in the late 70's and met some family, but has since lost touch. Thanks again, please let me know if anything sounds familiar. Best,Jeanne Vitale

 

 

From:        Fatarm@aol.com Add to Address Book   Date:        Tue, 8 Sep 1998 18:21:50 EDT

 Subject:        [CRYAN-L] Welcome to subscriber #20    To:        CRYAN-L@rootsweb.com

We've doubled our number in the past week and now are 20 subscribers strong!

Here's #20's introduction:  Yes, my ggggrandfather, Cornelius CREAN was from Glounthaune parish,County Cork and came to US, settling in Milwaukee.His son, John, (my gggrandfather) changed the spelling to CRAINE.  I'mpretty confident of the CREAN spelling, as it is used on a tombstone in1860 for John's sister, Mary.  Also, it is the way the name is listed onthe passenger list of 1852 which I found for Cornelius & his wifeHannah.I know our family has retained the CRAINE spelling.  John had an olderbrother, Owen, who I can't seem to find after about 1880.  He may havechanged his spelling to any of the various forms of Crane/Crain, orretained Crean.

I'd appreciate any info you have on the surname in general, and its origins in Ireland.

Thanks again.  Kathleen Craine, Chicago, IL

 

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Post your messages to: CRYAN-L@ROOTSWEB.COMFrom:        Fatarm@aol.com Add to Address Book   Date:        Mon, 7 Sep 1998 23:16:38 EDT Subject:        [CRYAN-L] Fwd: Crean    To:        CRYAN-L@rootsweb.comThis is a multi-part message in MIME format.--part0_905224598_boundaryContent-ID: <0_905224598@inet_out.mail.aol.com.1>Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII

Okay everyone, mea culpa.  I told everyone the wrong way to sendmessages to the list - send them to "cryan-L@rootsweb.com", in other words, drop the"request" - that's only for subscribing and unsubscribing.  So here's amessage that may not have gotten around as it should have (please tellme if it did make it around already once - I'll be mightily confused, butcloser to the right track).  (sorry), Leslie

 

Old-Date: Mon, 07 Sep 1998 17:05:59 +0100To: Cryan-L-request@rootsweb.com

From: Steve Morrison <smorrison@paston.co.uk>Subject: CreanX-Diagnostic: Already on the subscriber list

 Good morning everyone,I am always very pleased to hear from other Crean researchers,  and am

sending you what little I have,  and hope we may be of mutual assistance.Starting with my great-grandfather:Stephen Crean:  Born 1832 in Bandon,  County Cork,  Ireland.  Marriedto Mary Ann Cowgrave.  Born 1835 in Wexford, Ireland.  I don't yet know thedate of their marriage or where,  but I would guess about 1855-56, astheir first child was born 1857 when they were living in Wales.  They were:

Stephen Crean                  Born 1857Margeret Crean                   "  1859John Crean                       "  1864 Hannah Maria Crean               "  1869Clara Crean                      "  1871  Clara was my Mother's mother.James Patrick Crean              "  1879I obtained this information from the 1881 census for Newport, Monmouthshire,Wales.  My g-grandfather's trade was described as a mason. My mother told me that her Uncle Stephen was an accomplished cornet player. He went to New York,  where he was shot and killed by his business partner.She was very fond of her grandfather,  and named me after him.I must confess I am a novice at genealogy,  and with computers.  I don't

know if any of this will be of use to anyone,  but it seems worth a try. Best wishes,Steve.Stephen Crean Morrison.      --part0_905224598_boundary--