From cryanaj@mail.ecn.net.au Wed Jan 7 14:08:44 1998From: "Anthony & Jill
Cryan"
<cryanaj@ecn.net.au>Organization: The Adjutant's DeskTo:
94971455@tolka.dcu.ie
HelloThis is just an email wishing to confirm
if you are Kevin Cryan from
family.Thank you.Anthony & Jill Cryancryanaj@ecn.net.au
From
adjutant@mail.ozemail.com.au Sat Jan 10 13:15:31 1998
> Date: Fri, 9 Jan 1998 17:53:12 +0000
(GMT)> To: Anthony &
Jill Cryan <cryanaj@ecn.net.au>> Subject: Re: Cryan/ Crean Research> Hi > I
sent 620 copies of that letter to Cryan addresses all over the > world. What
did you think of it? Did you get my email off the net?>Hello Kevin - nice to
hear from you BTW, please count my reply as one also for Gay Cryan (Albion,
Brisbane) and Percy Cryan (Coorparoo Brisbane).620 letters ! You have my
respect right off.........As for you email address, yes I did get it off the
net (Alta Vista is a great search engine).Karen McElrath will be forwarding an
email to you with some details of what I know of my Cryan side - as a lead in
my GGrandfather was Thomas Cryan from Gurteen, Sligo Ireland (b.1854); his
father was a Domnick Cryan who was married to a Catherine Cauly (I have no other
details on Domnick).I would be both interested and appreciative of any help you
can give
me - as going by the list of
material you have in your possession you may at least be able to get me started
on more of the Irish side of records etc as far as the line back from Domnick
is concerned - I would be willing to cover costs of postage and copying if need be, but even an email
"filling in the gaps" would be great..Cheers TC
Anthony & Jill Cryan
cryanaj@ecn.net.au
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From: Tulskone
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Date: Wed, 14 Jan 1998
00:41:19 ESTTo: 94971455@tolka.dcu.ie
Subject: Cryan and O'Beirne
Dear Kevin,Are you the same
Kevin whose undated snail mail I received today citing Kit
O'Beirne of Cloonshane?If
so, perhaps we could do this by e-mail.
Sincerely,Sean(John E. O'Beirne, ex Tulsk, now NY)
hello Karen.I hope that you
had a nice Christmas.Just getting back to you on my Cryan research. I have now
established that my g-g-grandfather was John Cryan, born approx 1847.
Apparantly he went to the
You asked in your email if I
been in touch with a Kevin Cryan from
establish a link when we
make more progress.Best wishes for the New Year.
Regards,Michael
From:
ljstandak@webtv.net (Lyle Staehnke)Date: Sat, 10 Jan 1998 20:53:43 -0800
To: 94971455@tolka.dcu.ie
(caoimhghin ocroidheain)Subject: Re: cryans
Kevin, I am in the process of moving,, I will
be in my new place on Jan
15th,, The address is 3533
N.E. 149th
moved in and settled down my
plan is to get a home page and enter all
the information that I
have,, If you have another news letter you sent
out I would like to have one
or any other info on the Cryan`s,,, If you
have any question`s that you
think I might have the answer to,, let me
know ,Good luck Kevin ,, Lyle ,,,.
From dublin@sympatico.ca Wed Jan 14 23:39:52 1998
From: sioban mullin
<dublin@sympatico.ca>Reply-To: dublin@sympatico.caX-Mailer: Mozilla
3.01C-SYMPA
KevinMichael Tobin gave me
you email address and told me you were researching
the Cryan family. My maternal grandmother was a Cryne, she was
born and
reared in
Tubbecurry, Co.
the Irish records I have so
far. My assumption is that when they
went
to Enlgand the spelling of
the name changed. Michael tells me that
you
have information about the name,
and say it originates in Roscommon. I
would love to hear from you
with any info you have on the subject. I
realise this genealogy thing
can snowball and you may not have time to
get into lengthy details,
however, if you can get in touch I would
appreciate it.Bye the way,
Michael mentioned you live in
of one of the Great Lakes, Lake Erie in
here last August from
generations of my family
have lived in Blackrock. I still have
cousins
there.Hoping to hear from
you.Sioban Mullin
Dear Kevin, Thank you for
your letter of recent regarding our "Cryan" families. Theonly information that I have pertaining to
my Cryan family is as follows: My
paternal great grandmother, Jane (Jennie) Carroll Donovan, wasthe daughter of
Cormack and Brigid (Cryan)
Carroll. Jane was baptized on
October 21, 1855 at Boyle Parish,Co. Roscommon.
Cormack Carroll and Brigid Cryan
were married on February 17, 1848 at Boyle Parish. Witnesses to this marriage
were James Gallagher and Margaret
Cryan. According to the records at the
Co.Roscommon Heritage and Genealogical
Center, other Cryan members were Baptismal Sponsors for thechildren of
Cormack and Brigid. Those names were Michael, Brigid, John
(Cryne), and James Cryan. Unfortunately no address was given for either Cormack or Brigid. Cormack and Brigid Carroll's oldest and
only surviving son, JamesCarroll, was born November 11, 1851 (sponsors were Michael and Brigid
Cryan). James married MargaretNicholson
of Aughee on February 5, 1884 at
Boyle Parish. Their address was given as
Garrow. Thewitnesses to this marriage
were James Cryan and Mary Feehily. James and Margaret Carroll had sevenchildren,
the youngest two were born here in
>From the information
that I was able to acquire from the
From cryan@avana.net Sat Jan 10 23:55:43 1998
Kevin, I'd be interested in getting something back
from you, after the detailed information I sent you. I'd be interested in other cryan
e-mails. (I know you offer this because
it is the easiest.) More particularly,
however, I'd like more information on the resources you've collected. I
understand that the National Library (or the National Archives) has the estate
records of Lord Lorton, whose seat was in Boyle, Roscommon; whose estate
stretched from East Sligo across
of the Cryans. Have you explored this? Specifically, have
you found record of a James Cryan (married to Honoria Beirne or Honora Byrne in
the
1853) originally from Sligo
and given a lease in the townland of Ballinultha (old spelling Ballynanultagh),
where he was at the time of Griffith's Valuation in 1857.I have a considerable
amount of additional information about my own relatives in this country which
will have to wait for some more specific response from yourself. I await your
response.
Roger Martin Cryan
> From: caoimhghin ocroidheain <94971455@tolka.dcu.ie> > To:
Roger Cryan and Regina Pana-Cryan <cryan@avana.net>> Subject:
cryans> Date: Friday, January 09, 1998 1:23 PM
> > hi> Happy new
year I am getting som e responses to my cryan letter (620 sent).
> MIght eventually be
able to tie some together! Could you send me your own> cryan tree details?
would you be interested in other cryan researchers emails?> Email me or send
to either of these addresses> 44 st columbas rise, swords, co
> or 231 campus res.,
ballymun rd.,
From rsl@rootsweb.com Thu Jan 8 15:12:22 1998
Kevin, The recent release of the Root Surname
List (RSL) contained new orupdated information from you. Attached to the bottom of this formletter is
the information we currently have in our files.
Let us knowabout any errors. (If
all is well, there is no need to respond to thisnote.) Feel free to send in
modifications or additions at any time.
If you do,though, help us by identifying which information is new and
which is achange to old. Please please
do not resubmit information we already have inour files. Also, whenever you correspond with us, please
be sure to remindus of your nametag -- that is how we know for sure that you
are you,so to speak. Your nametag is: kc949714
For information about the
RSL, how to get a copy, etc., send any
message to rsl-info@genealogy.org
A table of the abbreviations
that are used is located at
http://www.rootsweb.com/roots-l/cabbrev1.html
Your surnames are also now
on the WWW, in the RSL database accessible
from http://www.rootsweb.com/rootsweb/searches/
Thanks again for
participating! Roots Surname List
Data Entry Team
RSL@rootsweb.com
P.S. Corrections and changes
we've received very recently
are not reflected in the
data below.Your address info:
kc949714 Kevin Cryan, 94971455@tolka.dcu.ie
231, campus residences, ballymun road,
Your surname
info:+Cryan 1836 now IRL>
Hello Karen My name is Tony Cryan and I live in
Australia.Although
interested in history for quite a while - and helping others
at times with their searches
- it is only now I am hoping to work a
bit more on my own family.I
only have the slight basics at this stage, so any possible
help you may give me would
be greatly appreciated.My GG Grandfather was Domnick Cryan (m. Catherine Cauly)
- no dates/ other information at
present.My G Grandfather was Thomas Cryan born in Gurteen, Sligo, Ireland in
1854. He arrived in
married Ellen Hayes (b.
1860, Rossmore,
cryanaj@ecn.net.au
JAN98
Domnick Cryan (m.
Catherine Cauly) Farmer Born: Ireland
I have found the following for his son Thomas (b.1854 came to Aust approx 1877) - his children were all born in
Oz, but I have included the info for name recognition purposes: Thomas Cryan b.
1854 d. 06/12/1894 (m. Gympie 09/07/1884 Ellen Hayes b. 1860) Miner Born: Gurteen, Sligo, Ireland Arrived Australia: Approx 1877
Children: Mary Catherine (Catherine Mary ?) (b.
1885 ?)
Domnick Francis (b. 1886 ?) (m.
Mary Ann Mclean b.1892 d. 1917???? )
Cornelius Patrick (b. Oct 1888)
Thomas (b. 1890 ?)
James (b. 1892 ?)
M TOBIN INFO JAN98
I have now established that
my g-g-grandfather was John Cryan, born approx 1847. Apparantly he went to the
MULLIN INFO JAN98
Michael Tobin gave me you email address and told me
you were researchingthe Cryan family. My
maternal grandmother was a Cryne, she was born andreared in
Date: Tue,
31 Mar 1998 11:35:14 +1000 (EST)From:
Joanne R Grant <fileworks@albury.net.au>To: Kevin Cryan
<94971455@tolka.dcu.ie>
Subject: CRYAN SEARCHING
DOWNUNDER
Hi Kevin,Perhaps I have
found your PATRICK CRYAN - or at least his descendants.
The 'Irish Roots' article
has just reached me (takes a while to get here)and I remembered my search for
'PADDY' CRYAN a few years ago.He is NOT my ancestor, but is connected to my
HENERY/HENRY family from CoRoscommon in a very round-about way.The PATRICK
MICHAEL CRYAN - born circa 1873 - about whom I have someinformation, was, I am
told, possibly the son of another 'PADDY' CRYAN. Ihave not yet obtained his death certificate
to confirm this.He was a publican in
(1857-1935). This HENERY family came from CLONOWN, ATHLONE
and I suspect
that the REGAN family were
also from the same area.I have a few more details and can add to this story if
you are interested.Please advise if you want to know more.Best regards, Jo
Joanne R Grant * FILEWORKS Records Management
"Tallageira" Systems
Consultant
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v
Downunder :-) Greetings from
the Magnificent
Hello Kevin,I found your
name via an Internet search for Irish genealogy and theCryan surname. My
mother's maiden name is Cryan. Unforturnately sheknows very little about her
ancestors. Through research I now believeher ancestors emigrated to
Date: Wed, 18 Mar 1998
20:35:38 -0500 From: Janeson Keeley <JanesonKeeley@pobox.com>To:
94971455@tolka.dcu.ie
Subject: Cryan entry in
Roots surname listI found your e-mail address via Roots surname list.
My husband's mother was born
Carrye Catheryne Cryan in Rainelle, West
was never sure what country
the Cryans had come from originially.
On a wild guess, I supposed
that the name was Irish, but was never able
to confirm that until I
found your listing.
Thanks!
From: UIA1 <UIA1@aol.com>To: 94971455@tolka.dcu.ieSubject: Re:
Hello
Kevin, Thanks for your e-mail. I have already found out the names of the
Offaly
papers, but I appreciate
your help in the matter. If I can ever
help you with
anything here in the
I live in West Hartford, which is outside
of
capitol of
I think that IRISH ROOTS is a great
magazine. Always interesting stuff
in it. We know in detail about three of my
grandparents but know nothing of
my grandfather and his
Offaly roots. Mainly I have spent most
of my time in
Kenmare in Kerry because
both of my maternal grandparents are from there.
Thanks again for everything, and e-mail me
anytime - if I can answer any
question about the
John Horan<uia1@aol.com>
Date: Sat, 28 Mar 1998
14:18:59 -0500 From: Janeson Keeley
<JanesonKeeley@pobox.com>To: caoimhghin ocroidheain
<94971455@tolka.dcu.ie>
Subject: Re: Cryan entry in
Roots surname listcaoimhghin ocroidheain wrote:> hi> just a quick note to
say Igot your message I might send the info re> cryans through Yahoo but I
dont have the disc on me at the moment it> also> contains the Cryan death
index (ireland)> Caoimh (gentle ) g(h)in (birth) "Kevkevin> O (from
Avios - grandson , mac-soon)> Croidhe (heart) ain -noble (cryan) >
caoimhghin-----Caoimhghin,
Thanks for the note, and the
translation of your names. I'm sure
thatneither my husband nor I have even begun to pronounce them
correctly:-) (My husband's name is
Marion Errold Lyon, Jr., but he goes byBuffy.)Last weekend we went to
grandfather Michael C.
(1877-1930) and uncle Jesse Lewis (1916-1932)Cryan. We found out that his grandfather was born in
Date: Sat, 28 Mar 1998
16:01:41 +0000 (GMT)From: caoimhghin
ocroidheain <94971455@tolka.dcu.ie>To: DSchaub1
<DSchaub1@aol.com>Subject: Re: The Cryan Game Thanks for your very interesting letter - I
have to rush but I think youshould try the roscommon-sligo homepage they have a
huge growing list offamily researchers -I shall look up your bookThe link
between crane crehan and cryean/crean is fascinating - we should consolidate
info maybe you could send me copies of the most importantstuff - the search
widens all the time! I have a lotof cryan researcher addresses but no crehans or cranes.keep in touchKevin
Cryanlet me know if you wzant copies of my material!!
Date: Sun, 22 Mar 1998
20:17:45 EST From: DSchaub1
<DSchaub1@aol.com>
To:
94971455@tolka.dcu.ieSubject: The Cryan Game
Dear Kevin, Greetings from
Date: Sun, 5 Apr 1998
16:08:44 EDTFrom: DSchaub1
<DSchaub1@aol.com>
To: caoimhghin ocroidheain
<94971455@tolka.dcu.ie>Subject: Re: The Cryan Game
Dear Kevin,It was nice to receive your reply
to my message. I would be happy to
exchange
info with you. I recently purchased the CD Rom for
was Bridget Crehan. She married a Joseph Lacy in Silvermines,
forward to your reply. In the meantime, Best Wishes. Tom
Crane
Date: Fri, 03 Apr 1998
21:15:53 -0500 From: Janeson Keeley <JanesonKeeley@pobox.com>
To:
94971455@tolka.dcu.ieSubject: Cryan info, part 2
Kevin, I got a file from
Harvey Wohlwend as well. Thanks for
connecting us all
together. I noticed that you
didn't have my full address. If you send
out anaddendum, feel free to include it:
1941 Governor Dr.Roanoke, VA 24019-3619
I noticed that you have a
list of Cryan births from the MormonGenealogical Index. Is there any way you could send me a
copy? Orcould I send you names of people
to check on? Or, could you tell me howI
noticed that you have a list of Cryan births from the MormonGenealogical
Index. Is there any way you could send
me a copy? Orcould I send you names of
people to check on? Or, could you tell
me howto get one? Thanks from my beloved spouse and me, JanesonCc: caoimhghin@yahoo.com, 94971455@tolka.dcu.ie,
fileworks@albury.net.au Subject: Re: cryan info
1941 Governor Dr.Roanoke, VA 24019-3619
Date: Sun, 5 Apr 1998
06:47:04 +1000 (EST)From: Joanne R Grant
<fileworks@albury.net.au>To: Kevin Cryan
<94971455@tolka.dcu.ie>Subject: REPLY TO CRYAN INFO
Hi Kevin Message received
with attach GENABS.DOC. Will take a
while to digest. Also
info from Janeson Keeley
altho cannot quite see the relevance of this. I have joined the Co Roscommon
Family History Society and have sent info onHENERY/HENRY family but still
awaiting a reply. I wonder if there was any connection between the HENERY
family and the CRYANfamil, in Athlone or Clonown, prior to their immigration to
Ancestors of Michael Cryan
Generation No. 1
1. Michael
Cryan, born in
Notes for
Michael Cryan:
The Irish
potato famine was primarily between 1845 and 1850. These Cryan's most probably
came to
If they came in through
Between
1820-1830 50,000 Irish immigrants enter the
Eleanor
Wohlwend remembers hearing that there were 21 children in this family by 3
different wives.
Notes for
Mary:
The 1900
census says Mary and her two sons Michael and Joseph came to the
It is
interesting to note that they moved to Cayuga,
Mary
is not included in the 1910 census so she probably passed away between 1900 and
1910.
Children of Michael Cryan and Mary are:
i. Austin Cryan, born Abt. 1852 in
Notes
for Austin Cryan:
The
1900 North Dakota census (Roll 1232, page 52B) says he came to the
The
1910
The
1900 census says his parents were born in
He
moved to
Notes
for Margaret Barry:
The
1900 census says Margaret came to the
ii. James Cryan, born January 1854 in
Notes
for James Cryan:
James
lived south of
The
1900 North Dakota census says he came to the
The
1910 North Dakota census includes one 22 year old hired man by the name of Ed
Hobby who was born in
In
the 1920
iii. Joseph Daniel Cryan, born January 05, 1863
in Canada (Eng.)1; died
December 05, 1932 in Cayuga, North Dakota; married Anna Marie Theresa Stibal
January 19, 1904 in St. Martin's, Geneseo, North Dakota.
Notes
for Joseph Daniel Cryan:
The
homestead was 4 miles south and 2 miles east of Cayuga. The family moved into
Cayuga when Eleanor was ready to start school.
The
1900 and 1910 census lists Joe as being born in January 1871. The 1920 census
suggests Joe was born in 1868.
The
1900
The
1910
The
1920
More
About Joseph Daniel Cryan:
Death:
December 07, 1932, Buried in Cayuga, ND.
Cause
of Death: Stroke.
Notes
for Anna Marie Theresa Stibal:
Anna's
father spoke Bohemian and her mother spoke German. They learned English when
Anna went to school.
More
About Anna Marie Theresa Stibal:
Death:
March 10, 1947, Anna is buried in Cayuga, ND
iv. Michael Cryan, born October 20, 1863 in
Notes
for Michael Cryan:
The
1900
The
1910 census suggests Michael was born in 1870.
He
never married.
v. Thomas Cryan.
Notes for Thomas Cryan:Thomas was a barber
in
Endnotes1. From the
1910 census, roll 1148, page 95A.2.
<Fatarm@aol.com>
Add to Address Book Date: Tue, 7 Jul 1998 08:59:10 EDT
To:
caoimhghin@yahoo.com Subject:
Re: cryan info - thank you
I was able to retrieve your
information very easily as a .txt file.
And, I'mpretty certain I located my Great Great Grandfather's death
record through it,shedding more light
and a place to look for information re: his death. There aren't too many Robert Cryans, thank
goodness. I read your intro with great interest, but no light to shine on your
search for info on "Master Cryan" (at least as of yet). Since I initially contacted you my
grandmother has revealed to me a British passport for her mother, Agnes Cryan
Smyth. It is interesting, should you not
and yet wish to know it, that she was not naturalized as a
From:
Fatarm@aol.com Add
to Address Book Date: Wed, 9 Sep 1998 22:15:14 EDT
Subject:
[CRYAN-L]
If anyone can link up to one
of the below, please let me know. These
are onlyCo. Roscommon variations on Crean/Cryan etc., and so far I've only
transcribedup to the Barony of Ballintober, South for Union of Roscommon (for
those inthe know).
name. Hope it gives someone new information:
Killumod/Cartron: Clyan, Henry Dunne, John, MD
Taghmaconnell/Eskerberg: Crean, Edward Smyth, Henry
Taghmaconnell/Eskerberg: Crean, John Kelly, Thomas
Kilnamanagh/Kingsland: Creen, Patrick Conmee, Matthew
Ardcarn/Errironagh: Crian, Michael Peyton, Charles
Kilnamanagh/Ardmoyh: Crine, Bartholomew McCausland, Marcus
Kilbride/Grange: Croghan, Hugh Farrell, Reps. Daniel
Kilronan/Aghafin: Croghan, James O'Conor, Arthur
Fuerty/Emlaghkeadew: Croghan, Matthew Coote, Sir Charles Henry, Bart.
Fuerty/Emlaghkeadew: Croghan, Matthew Coote, Sir Charles Henry, Bart.
Kilbride/Derrane: Croghan, Michael Sands, William
Shankill/Kilnamryall: Croghan, Patrick Coote, Sir Charles H., Bt.
Shankill/Kilnamryall: Croghan, Patrick Coote, Sir Charles H., Bt.
Kilmacumsy/Lismacool: Croghan, Patrick Coote, Sir. Charles H. Coote, Bt.
St. Peters/Monksland: Croghan, Richard Wilson, Robert S.
St. Peters/Monksland: Croghan, Richard Wilson, Robert S.
Kilcolagh/Laughbally: Croghan, Rose Grace, Oliver D.J.
Fuerty/Emlaghkeadew: Croghan, Thomas Coote, Sir Charles Henry, Bart.
Fuerty/Emlaghkeadew: Croghan, Thomas Coote, Sir Charles Henry,
Bart.
Kilbride/Cloonerk: Croghan, William Blakeny, Sarah Anne
Killumod/Finnor: Cryan, Bryan Barrett, Michael
Killumod/Derraun: Cryan, Catherine Caddell, Richard O'F.
Boyle/Town of Boyle: Cryan, Catherine Cox, Mary
Boyle/Town of Boyle: Cryan, Dr. Peter Bromwell, John
Boyle/Ballynanultagh: Cryan, James Viscount Lorton
Boyle/Ballynanultagh: Cryan, James Viscount Lorton
Kilbride/Cashelmeehan: Cryan, James Thewles, John E.
Killumod/Finnor: Cryan, James Barrett, Michael
Killumod/Culleenatreen, or
Flagford: Cryan, John Crofton, Henry W.
Kilbryan/Smutternagh: Cryan, John Viscount Lorton
Killumod/Finnor: Cryan, Luke Barrett, Michael
Kilbryan/Smutternagh: Cryan, Margaret Viscount Lorton
Killukin/Ballyculleen: Cryan, Martin Keogh, Thomas
Killumod/Carrowreagh: Cryan, Mary Boylan, Thomas
Kilbride/Cashelmeehan: Cryan, Michael Thewles, John E.
Boyle/Deerpark: Cryan,
Michael Viscount Lorton
Boyle/Deerpark: Cryan,
Michael Viscount Lorton
Estersnow/Granny: Cryan, Patrick Robinson, Rev. William
Boyle/Town of Boyle: Cryan, Paul Mulhall, David
Killumod/Culleenatreen, or
Flagford: Cryan, Peter Crofton, Henry W.
Ardcarn/Clegna: Cryan,
Roger O'Hara, Patrick Jun.
From:
Fatarm@aol.com Add
to Address Book Date: Tue, 8 Sep 1998 18:38:40 EDT
Subject: [CRYAN-L]
Crehan/Crgehan To: CRYAN-L@rootsweb.com
Another poster of
names! Yeah!:The Crehan's I have are my
maternal grandmother's family, and the
spelling hasbeen consistant for a while.
I've seen it on my line spelled Creghan too.These are the names I
have.Michael Crehan b 1855 Ballybane, Co. Galway married--Catherine Kinsella b 1855 Ballybane,
Co. Galwaychildren: :Matthew Bernard
Daniel Lawrence Michael Winifred Ellen DeliaJamesCatherine Margaret Bernard was
my great-grandfather. He came to the
From:
Fatarm@aol.com Add
to Address Book Date: Tue, 8 Sep 1998 18:21:50 EDT
Subject:
[CRYAN-L] Welcome to subscriber #20
To: CRYAN-L@rootsweb.com
We've doubled our number in
the past week and now are 20 subscribers strong!
Here's #20's
introduction: Yes, my ggggrandfather,
Cornelius CREAN was from Glounthaune parish,
I'd appreciate any info you
have on the surname in general, and its origins in
Thanks again. Kathleen Craine,
==== CRYAN Mailing List ====
Post your messages to:
CRYAN-L@ROOTSWEB.COMFrom: Fatarm@aol.com Add to Address
Book Date: Mon, 7 Sep 1998 23:16:38 EDT
Subject: [CRYAN-L] Fwd: Crean To:
CRYAN-L@rootsweb.comThis is a multi-part message in MIME
format.--part0_905224598_boundaryContent-ID:
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charset=US-ASCII
Okay everyone, mea
culpa. I told everyone the wrong way to
sendmessages to the list - send them to "cryan-L@rootsweb.com", in
other words, drop the"request" - that's only for subscribing and
unsubscribing. So here's amessage that
may not have gotten around as it should have (please tellme if it did make it
around already once - I'll be mightily confused, butcloser to the right
track). (sorry), Leslie
Old-Date: Mon, 07 Sep 1998
17:05:59 +0100To: Cryan-L-request@rootsweb.com
From: Steve Morrison
<smorrison@paston.co.uk>Subject: CreanX-Diagnostic: Already on the subscriber list
Good morning everyone,I am always very pleased
to hear from other Crean researchers,
and am
sending you what little I
have, and hope we may be of mutual
assistance.Starting with my great-grandfather:Stephen Crean: Born 1832 in Bandon,
Stephen Crean Born 1857Margeret Crean " 1859John Crean " 1864 Hannah Maria Crean " 1869Clara Crean " 1871
Clara was my Mother's mother.James Patrick Crean " 1879I obtained this information from the 1881
census for
know if any of this will be
of use to anyone, but it seems worth a
try. Best wishes,Steve.Stephen Crean Morrison. --part0_905224598_boundary--
Date: Fri, 4
Sep 1998 11:20:00 -0400 From: Jim Ogg
<J_JOgg@compuserve.com> Add to Address Book Subject:
[Fwd: Census Taker]
To:
Malcolm Craik <m.f.craik@ncl.ac.uk>,
Beth Banks
<beth@hallmoor.demon.co.uk>,
Kevin Cryan <caoimhghin@yahoo.com>,
Regina Donovan
<dreblvos@wt.net>,
Linda Donovan Evans
<evans@nbnet.nb.ca>,
Bobbie & John Hoechlin
<bojo@aone.com>,
Mary Lyons
<106462.2127@compuserve.com>, Greg Latham
<GLATHAM@msn.com>,
"Dr. Barry Potvin"
<potvin@ymail.yu.edu>,
Bill & Jean Putnam
<virgini252@aol.com>,
"Robert H. Wheelock"
<RHWheelock@aol.com>,
John Starkey
<JohnStarkey@compuserve.com>,
Brian Seddon
<bseddon@bigpond.com>,
Trish Hopkins <parrspub@globalserve.net>,
Catherine Amatnieks
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CENSUS TAKER
It was the first day of
census, and all through the land;
The pollster was ready ... a
black book in hand.
He mounted his horse for a long
dusty ride;
His book and some quills
were tucked close by his side.
A long winding ride down a
road barely there;
Toward the smell of fresh
bread wafting, up through the air.
The woman was tired, with
lines on her face;
And wisps of brown hair she
tucked back into place.
She gave him some water ...
as they sat at the table;
And she answered his
questions ... the best she was able.
He asked of her children...
Yes, she had quite a few;
The oldest was twenty, the
youngest not two.
She held up a toddler with
cheeks round and red;
his sister, she whispered,
was napping in bed.
She noted each person who
lived there with pride;
And she felt the faint
stirrings of the wee one inside.
He noted the sex, the color,
the age...
The marks from the quill
soon filled up the page.
At the number of children,
she nodded her head;
And saw her lips quiver for
the three that were dead.
The places of birth she
"never forgot";
Was it
They came from
But she wasn't quite sure
just how long they'd been here.
They spoke of employment, of
schooling and such;
They could read some .and
write some .. though really not much.
When the questions were
answered, his job there was done;
So he mounted his horse and
he rode toward the sun.
We can almost imagine his
voice loud and clear;
"May God bless you all
for another ten years."
Now picture a time warp ...
its' now you and me;
As we search for the people
on our family tree.
We squint at the census and
scroll down so slow;
As we search for that entry
from long, long ago.
Could they only imagine on
that long ago day;
That the entries they made
would effect us this way?
If they knew, would they
wonder at the yearning we feel;
And the searching that makes
them so increasingly real.
We can hear if we listen the
words they impart;
Through their blood in our
veins and their voice in our heart.
Author Unknown
From:
Fatarm@aol.com Add to Address Book
Date: Thu, 3 Sep 1998
01:19:42 EDT Subject: [CRYAN-L] Question of Name Variety To:
CRYAN-L@rootsweb.com
Does anyone have any
explanations/stories/family tales behind the manyvarieties of Crean/Cryan
available? Besides MacLysaght and his
palMatheson having listed nearly a dozen alternate spellings/forms of the
surname,I'm encountering other possibilities as well. For example, Mary CRYNGONcame over on The
United-Kingdom 14-July-1846.I guess I'm just getting concerned that I'm going
to run off my Cryan surnamesearch and discover that my family changed its name
from one of thealternative spellings.
Has anyone run across this yet?I also came across in passenger
lists: Luke and Roger CREYON, age 20and
18, labourers from Co. Sligo who emigrated on The Independence, sail date
=8-Nov-1803. I've started going through
From:
"Michael Tobin" <tobinmi@hotmail.com> Add to Address
Book
Date:
Fri, 28 Aug 1998 04:35:38 PDT Subject:
[CRYAN-L] John Cryan from
Keash, Co.
Hello fellow Cryan
researchers,Some of you may know me already from previous email we exchanged.My
name is Michael Tobin and I was born and reared in the parish of Tourlestrane
in Co. Sligo. I now live in Co. Galway.My grandfather was Michael Brennan
(1904:1985) from the townland of Drumnagranshy in the parish of Keash, near
Ballymote in Co. Sligo. His mother was Mary Anne Cryan (1877:1954) from the
neighbouring townlandof Tonraponra, also in the parish of Keash. In the birth
records for Mary Anne and her siblings, the name of the townland is sometimes
indicated as Crosses. This is a neighbouring townland and it is not clear yet
as to why it was used in the birth records.Her father was John Cryan
(1845:1928) from the same area. It is believed
that he was the oldest in his family, but I have no details as yet of
his siblings. His father is likely to have been Matthew Cryan, but I have to
confirm this yet. There is a Matthew Cryan who married aBridget Hannon in Keash
in 1844, and I am fairly confident that they are John's parents but have some
further confirmation to do on this first before I am certain.Regards Michael
From:
Fatarm@aol.com Add to Address Book
Date: Thu, 27 Aug 1998 23:21:08 EDT Subject: [CRYAN-L] More Cryans to add from Obits
and Ship lists index
(for US and
Let me know if you would
like more info on the below:
NAME BIRTHDATE LOCATION DEATH DATE
Cryan Bridget pre-1816 NYC in 1816
Cryan Catharine pre-1816 NYC in 1816
Cryan Jack NYC d. 1/22/1971
Cryan James pre-1816 NYC in 1816
Cryan James A. NYC d. 3/1/1906
Cryan Martin pre-1816 NYC in 1816
Cryan Mary pre-1816 NYC in 1816
Cryan Michael pre-1816 NYC in 1816
Cryan Michael c. 1840
Cryan Michl pre-1812
Cryan Michl
c. 1792
Cryan Patrick pre-1816 NYC in 1816
Cryan Timothy pre-1816 NYC in 1816
I've only listed the Cryans
I came across on my "hot" date night (husband blewme off because of work,
and left me to my own devices at the downtown
library). I have tons of Creans,
and some Creahans, Creegans, Creigans etc.Let me know who you're searching for,
or if you're looking undersomething other than CRYAN.Finally, want to read of
the life of a Crean? Major Thomas Joseph
Crean, b.1873 in
From:
Fatarm@aol.com Add to Address Book
Date: Thu, 27 Aug 1998 09:27:19 EDT Subject: [CRYAN-L] Re: Libraries with Genealogy
collections/departments:
To:
CRYAN-L@rootsweb.com
I saw this posted on another
mailing list, and thought I'd share:<<I have just noticed that at the Kindred Konnections web location there
is afree service to search for (and/or list) libraries which have a genealogydepartment. Should you be
interested, the URL is: http://209.140.72.162/cgi-bin/genealogy/index?8940+904145229+A+English
If that does not get you there, go through the site map at :http://209.140.72.162/cgi-bin/genealogy/homepage?8940+904145229+English
OR:http://209.140.72.162/indexeng.html>>Hope
it helps someone, Leslie
From:
Fatarm@aol.com Add to Address Book
Date Wed, 26 Aug 1998 18:06:31
EDT Subject: [CRYAN-L] Visit to Newberry Library, here
in Chicago To: CRYAN-L@rootsweb.comWithin the next
week I'm hoping to get over to the Newberry Library here in
from:
Fatarm@aol.com Add to Address Book
Date:Mon, 24 Aug 1998 22:17:44 EDT Subject:
[CRYAN-L] A few more have joined
To: CRYAN-L@rootsweb.com
... and now we are ten. I'm still hoping for a better translation
than my one year of latin can provide for the Cryan
family motto: "Coe mundum crea in
me Deus". For those of you who have
just joined in, we've started off by posting our earliest known Cryans/Creans,
their locations, dates, occupations or whatever
is known. So far Tony (Australia)
has posted re: his Gggranddad Domnick and his wife Catherine Cauly/Cawley, a
farmer from Gurteen, Sligo, his son
Thomas and daughter Sarah in the 19th c.
and I posted re: Robert Cryan b.
1841-ish.Please email the group with any Cryan-related matter by
emailing And, personally, I would
love someone to fill me in about the Cryan'
Shames. Or, why the Murphy's get a tartan and the Cryan's don't. We can leave
the explanations for these things and other universal mysteries for
another day ... - Leslie
ly-To: "Family History" <
> From: "Family History" < > Add to Address Book To: <caoimhghin@yahoo.com>
Subject: Re CRYAN family history Date: Tue, 25 Aug 1998 00:27:13 +0100
Hi again from Eve,Thank you for your reply. I am on
an internet diet and unfortunately restricted to only twice a week so I was
lucky to have tuned in today. Thank you for the offer of the list of deaths but
I already have 1864-1905 and a large portion of the births, for both
Date:Mon, 24 Aug 1998
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To:
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Subject: Re: Re: Cryan
research
My snail mail address
is: Leslie Poche' /
Phone: [(773)871-2970]
Email: fatarm@aol.com
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Mon, 24 Aug 1998 09:42:03 EDT To: caoimhghin@yahoo.com Subject: Re: Re: CRYAN -- Rootsweb now hosting a
Cryan mailing list
Yes, I finally got a hold of
the RIC book and devoured it. I
haven't mailed
off any enquiries yet -- I
think my best next step is to get Robert's RIC # from the Mormon indexes and
then write away for stuff. Well,
obviously, that's my only choice! But
right now I'm trying to get the Cryan mailing list up and going -- I got Anthony from over in
ALL FOLLOWING EMAILS DATED
SEPTEMBER 1998
Hi
everyone,
I have been hesitant to submit anything to
the list yet because I
am hardly a
genealogist and not very organized, but in case anyone
out there
is looking for some of my people, I figured I'd finally
post.
My mother's maiden name was Marilyn Crehan
(b. 1938.) She is the
daughter of
Arthur Thomas Crehan (1906-89,) who was born in
mother and
some of his twelve siblings in the 1910s or 1920s. We
don't know
much about Arthur's father who had died by then, other
than that
he was _probably_ from Roscommon. His wife, Margaret
O'Donoghue
(sp) was born in 1872, probably in Donegal, and died in
1952. My mother
lost contact with her father when she was a child,
and last saw any of his relatives before I was
born in the 1970s, so I'm not
really
connected to the extended Crehan family.
The rest of the Crehan names and places that
I know are available
from
http://www.inch.com/~amethyst/idxc.htm (which may need a few
minor
corrections in places,) or just e-mail me if you
would like
to know something. Thanks to all the people who have been
posting
information about Crehans, Cryans et al.
Sincerely,Theresa
Mary Nehemias
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Mailing List ====
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[SP2]Because
I think that's all I'm going to cover here - but before you go and
delete, I'd
like to point out that 5/22 current subscribers had their original
form of
O'Crean changed. And since you mystery
six [you know who you are ;) ]
who have
yet to let on as to whom you are researching ... well, just maybe
this does
pertain to you. Plus, I inevitably
wander and include other stuff.
* *
First of
all, a rootsweb site to check out:
www.rootsweb.com/~genepool/
There were
two Crane biographies listed, but as I only bothered to read one
and it was
about an English Crane, this may be a total bust. However, it
ought to be
mentioned because it has another section on language we've
inherited,
and I couldn't help but wonder.... In my
Cryan family two phrases
have stood
the test of time and (now) four or more generations: "More's the
pity"
and "More fool you". For all I
know these phrases are uttered out of
the mouth
of every housewife and babe in arms in
but wonder
-- do any other Cryans have something like this? Do any of you
other
O'Crean-types have so-called family phrases?
Now, back
to the Crean-crew: John O'Hart's
"The Irish & Anglo-Irish Landed
Gentry"
(orig. 1884, reprint 1969):
p. 456:
"Symon CRANE" listed in the Grants, Under the Acts of Settlement
&
Explanation
[1661-65].
p. 35: The BENNETT Family: "134.
Eleanor, daughter of Nathaniel WARREN; m.
Robert
CREAN of
removed to
the City of NY with her children.
"135. Henrietta-Agnes CREAN (d. in
Married in
NYC 6-June-1840, James Gordon BENNETT, who was born at New Mill,
Keith,
Banfshire, in
and died in
1872, leaving issue one son and one daughter ..."
footnote: "This Henrietta-Agnes CREAN had a
brother Robert CREAN of NYC, who
d. s.p.;
and two sisters - 1. Helena-Margarette CREAN, 2.
This Helena-Margarette CREAN married, first,
Lindsay Downes RICHARDSON of
RICHARDSON
of NYC, Capt. 7th NY N.G. (d.s.p. 1873); Marmaduke Jenni Schomberg
RICHARDSON,
NYC, living in 1881; 3. Eleanor RICHARDSON-BISHOP, D.S.p. in 1880
- all three
born in
Vichenburg
of NY, living in
Index to
Clonfert Marriage License Bonds, Wills & Administration Bonds,
Supplement
to the Irish Ancestor, 1970, Rosemary Ffolliott.
[note: no
listings of known forms of O'Crean in Clonfert Marriage records]
Wills: Page 7:
Mary
CREANE, Cartron, Killaghtan,
Stephen
CREANE, Cartron,
Books
authored by Creans:
Frank J.
CREAN's "Exploring the Canadian Northwest" (NY, 1911) Description
and travel
in
I'll see
what else I can type up and send off this weekend, folks. Leslie
Hi all,
I have
another very useful website called "
useful for
those wishing or trying to leap the pond.
http://www.geocities.com/SiliconValley/Haven/1538/irish.html
This give
lots of linking sites for more information. Most particularly
access to
Cyndi's Lists some of which have ships and immigrant passenger
lists from
I hope that
this is helpful, until again Eve
Hi Leslie
and Group:
Thank you
for the invitation to join the Cryan List.
I am a Cregan
descendant. I haven't done much investigation of the Cregan line yet. So
all I do
have are unsubstantiated "stories."
My mother used to talk about her
Cregans as
though they were the "black sheep" of the family.
My mother
was born Gertrude Frances Cregan on January 9, 1910 and she died
July 8,
1980. She was raised in
My
grandfather was born Francis A. Cregan in 1888 and died August 22, 1951. He
was a glass
blower and I still have some of his work. He was institutionalized
in his
early thirties though for some type of dementia. I intend to request
his old
medical records someday.
The
colorful one in the family was my great-grandmother. My mother says her
name was
Maggie Smith. She supposedly met my great-grandfather
in
He was a
merchant marine. According to my mother
Maggie found herself "with
child"
and followed my great-grandfather Cregan to the
her. My mom
said she had a beautiful singing voice.
The only problem was, she
would sing
on her front stoop at 2:00 am after having downed quite a few
brews. She would get arrested often and my poor dear
mother was terribly
ashamed of
her.......but she wasn't a true Cregan after all.
So, I don't
have any stories of wealth or heroics from the Cregan side of my
family. If there are any Cregans out there who might
be related to my very
dysfunctional
clan, please fess up.
Thanks,
Joanne
Tyler-Tucker
The
following was sent to me, and I thought it might (eventually) help
someone. In the meantime, it's just interesting.
OCCUPATIONS
CHART [Definitions of Yesteryear's Job Titles]
It seems the War Chart was such a popular item
(and a revised edition
with additions and minor corrections is
planned in a month or so) I have
put together this "LIST OF OCCUPATIONS" used in the older
records. I
put these 130 items together from many sources
and used it as a handout
for our local Orange County (NY) Genealogical
Society. I was asked by
many War Chart recipients if the CHART could
be forwarded to other lists
or used in local newsletters. The answer is yes -- please share this >
information.
Dan Burrows
dburrows1@juno.com
dburrows2@juno.com
Accomptant
Accountant
Almoner
Giver of charity to the needy
Amanuensis
Secretary or stenographer
Artificer A soldier mechanic who does repairs
Bailie
Bailiff
Baxter
Baker
Bluestocking
Female writer
Boniface Keeper of an inn
Brazier
One who works with brass
Brewster Beer manufacturer
Brightsmith
Metal Worker
Burgonmaster
Mayor
Caulker
One who filled up cracks (in ships or windows or seems
to
make them watertight by using tar or
oakum-hemp fiber produced by
taking old ropes apart
Chaisemaker
Carriage maker
retailer
of groceries
Chiffonnier
Wig maker
Clerk
Clergyman, cleric
Clicker
The servant of a salesman who stood at the door to
invite
customers; one who received the matter in the
galley from the
compositors
and arranged it in due form ready for
printing; one who makes eyelet
holes
in boots
using a machine which clicked.
Cohen
Priest
Collier
Coal miner
Colporteur
Peddler of books
Cooper One who makes or repairs vessels
made of staves &
hoops, such as casks, barrels, tubs, etc.
Cordwainer
Shoemaker, originally any leather worker using leather
from Cordova/Cordoba in
Costermonger
Peddler of fruits and vegetables
Crocker
Potter
Crowner
Coroner
Currier
One who dresses the coat of a horse with a currycomb;
one who tanned leather by incorporating oil or
grease
Docker
Stevedore, dock worker who loads and unloads cargo
Dowser
One who finds water using a rod or witching stick
Draper
A dealer in dry goods
Drayman
One who drives a long strong cart without fixed sides
for
carrying heavy loads
Dresser
A surgeon's assistant in a hospital
Drover
One who drives cattle, sheep, etc. to market; a dealer
in
cattle
Duffer
Peddler
Factor
Agent, commission merchant; one
who acts or transacts
business for another; Scottish steward or
bailiff of an estate
Farrier
A blacksmith, one who shoes horses
Faulkner Falconer
Fell monger
One who removes hair or wool from hides in
preparation for leather making
Fletcher
One who made bows and arrows
Fuller
One who fulls cloth;one who shrinks and thickens woolen
cloth by
moistening, heating, and pressing; one who cleans and
finishes
cloth
Gaoler
A keeper of the goal, a jailer
Glazier
Window glassman
Hacker
Maker of hoes
Hatcheler One who combed out or carded flax
Haymonger
Dealer in hay
Higgler
Itinerant peddler
Hillier
Roof tiler
Hind
A farm laborer
Holster
A groom who took care of horses, often at an inn
Hooker
Reaper
Hooper One who made hoops for casks and
barrels
Huckster Sells small wares
Husbandman
A farmer who cultivated the land
Jagger
Fish peddler
Journeyman
One who had served his apprenticeship and mastered
his
craft, not bound to serve a
master, but hired by the day
Joyner / Joiner A skilled carpenter
Keeler
Bargeman
Kempster Wool comber
Lardner
Keeper of the cupboard
Lavender Washer woman
Lederer
Leather maker
Leech
Physician
Longshoreman
Stevedore
Lormer
Maker of horse gear
Malender Farmer
Maltster Brewer
Manciple A steward
Mason
Bricklayer
Mintmaster
One who issued local currency
Monger
Seller of goods (ale, fish)
Muleskinner
Teamster
Neatherder
Herds cows
Ordinary Keeper Innkeeper with fixed prices
Pattern Maker
A maker of a clog shod with an iron ring. A clog was
a wooden pole with a pattern cut into the end
Peregrinator
Itinerant wanderer
Peruker A wig maker
Pettifogger A shyster lawyer
Pigman Crockery dealer
Plumber One who applied sheet lead for roofing
and set lead
frames for plain or stained glass windows.
Porter
Door keeper
Puddler
Wrought iron worker
Quarrier
Quarry worker
Rigger
Hoist tackle worker
Ripper Seller of fish
Roper
Maker of rope or nets
Saddler
One who makes, repairs or sells saddles or other
furnishings for horses
Sawbones Physician
Sawyer One who saws; carpenter
Schumacker
Shoemaker
Scribler A minor or worthless author
Scrivener Professional or public copyist or
writer; notary
public
Scrutiner Election judge
Shrieve Sheriff
Slater Roofer
Slopseller Seller of ready-made clothes in a
slop shop
Snobscat / Snob One who repaired shoes
Sorter Tailor
Spinster A woman who spins or an unmarried
woman
Spurrer Maker of spurs
Squire Country gentleman; farm owner;
justice of peace
Stuff gown
Junior barrister
Stuff gownsman
Junior barrister
Supercargo
Officer on merchant ship who is in charge of cargo and
the commercial concerns of the ship.
Tanner One who tans (cures) animal hides
into leather
Tapley One who puts the tap in an ale cask
Tasker Reaper
Teamster
One who drives a team for hauling
Thatcher Roofer
Tide waiter
Customs inspector
Tinker Am itinerant tin pot and pan
seller and repairman
Tipstaff Policeman
Travers Toll bridge collection
Tucker Cleaner of cloth goods
Turner A person who turns wood on a lathe
into spindles
Victualer A tavern keeper, or one who provides
an army, navy, or
ship with food
Vulcan Blacksmith
Wagoner
Teamster not for hire
Wainwright
Wagon maker
Waiter Customs officer or tide waiter;
one who waited on the
tide to
collect duty on goods brought in
Waterman
Boatman who plies for hire
Webster Operator of looms
Wharfinger Owner of a wharf
Wheelwright
One who made or repaired wheels; wheeled carriages, etc.
Whitesmith
Tinsmith; worker of iron who finishes or polishes the
work
Whitster Bleach of cloth
Wright Workman, especially a construction
worker
Yeoman
Farmer who owns his own land
Trying to
find more information about my CREGAN family roots. Patrick Cregan
b 1862 ,
Nellie Cregan b abt 1870 , two younger siblings Michael and Catherine
Cregan. They were all born in
but i do
not know her maiden name. They emigrated
to the
about 1886.
Catherine's husband was left in
alive I am
not sure. There is no record of him
here. Any help will be most
greatly
appreciated.
-RuthK3834@aol.com
Hi Folks,
Leslie's
research data caught my interest because it addresses an issue in my
research on
McCROHAN. I trust there are list members
knowledgeable in the
etymology
of surnames and/or Gaelic to help me make clearer distinctions among
the surname
threads that sound alike, but have different origins and are so
easily
confused. The following is my present, somewhat hazy, understanding.
My
MacCrohans are a branch of the O'Sullivans who can be found almost
exclusively
in
Cahirciveen.
In researching I have found that the most general spelling is
McCrohan,
with variations MacCroghan, MacCrehan.
Its origin seems to be Mac
Criomhthainn.
>From my
reading it appears that Croghan is a distinct name, having its source
in Mac
Conchruachan and origins in Co.Roscommon.
Also that Crehan, without a
prefix, is
O'Creachain, having its origin in Mayo and now also found in
because of
anglicization has been superseded by Creighton in the Donegal and
Tyrone.
Without a
knowledge of Gaelic it is difficult for me to appreciate these fine
distinctions. I had concluded, however, that my research
should focus on
those with
the prefix Mac/Mc and presume that any Croghan, Crohans, Crehans I
come upon
probably have different origins. But then Leslie's post crops up in
which
Croghons who live in the same location where MacCroghans appear in 1850
(
confiscation.
Back to square one !
Any
thoughts on the subject most welcome.
Regards,
Pat
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Hi all,
If any of you weren't aware of
http://www.switchboard.com, it
allows you
(for free) to search for addresses and phone numbers in the United
States requiring
you to enter only a last name. It was
brought to my
attention
that this might be useful, I guess if you are looking for
an uncommon
name especially. http://www.infospace.com also lets you
search a
few other countries' listings including
but not
Theresa
Mary
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Share you
favorite web-sites! Tell your family
stories!
I've
recently been contacted by a researcher of the Craun surname whose 18th
c. relative
(transported to
Craun,
Crawn, Chrahan, Crahan, Chroughan, Croughan, Crone, and Chrawn during
his
life. She wants to know if this/these
surnames tie into the Crean group.
Since Pat
brought up the research problem with MacCroghan, and because we all
are of one
variety or another (excluding the silent folk, we're Cregans,
MacCrohan-MacCroghans, Crains, Cryans, Crehans, Creans, Crean-Craines,
Creens,
and
Crehan-Cranes), perhaps we can pool info on this subject.
I only know
what I do about the O'Crean surname from what I've read by you
all,
MacLysaght and Matheson. My instinct,
from the research that I've done
so far, is
that somewhere in the late 18th c. something happened that changed
the way
surnames were spelled in
know enough
to say what, but when I read pre-1800 sources there's more gaelic
(first and
surnames), more O's and Macs, more GH's in words, and rarely a
"Cryan"
to be found (I can't remember seeing any pre-1810 off the top of my
head). Was it a result of the 1798 rebellion? A further anglicization of
brought to
the peasant classes and who brought it?)?
Post-1800 I observe a
more
"English" language -- I haven't come across any "Teig"s or
"Cnoghers",
for
example, in the 1857
Patricks,
Johns, Conors and Michaels.
I've got a
book on the shelf to read about the Rebellion of 1798, but I would
be more
interested in a recommendation for something about the Irish culture
and the
changes of this period -- if I'm not just making this all up in my
head and
there actually is something there.
And I'd
love a recommendation on what to tell Thomas Craun's descendant. Pat,
Eve, anyone
-- any suggestions? Leslie
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>From a
few side discussions I've had with one or two of you, I think posting
the following
information might be helpful in seeing why, even with all our
name
variations, we can all belong to the same mailing list. Of course, some
of you may
think not, and you're welcome to email me and ask me to keep you in
mind and
then unsubscribe. I'm hoping, of course,
that you won't, and that
you'll
stick it out at least a few weeks to see what develops. Here goes:
(Kevin, I
lifted this right out of your document, as I found it to be a
verbatim
transcription of MacLysaght - hope you don't mind my laziness): "O
Crean,Crehan
- According to MacFirbis, O Crean and O Cregan are synonymous,
Crehan
being a variant of Crean. In Irish Crean and Crehan are O Croidheain
(spelt O
Craidhen by the Four Masters) ... These families formed a minor sept
of the Cineal
Eoghan belonging to Donegal, with a branch in the neighbouring
merchants,
... in 1506 as of Donegal; in 1572 as of
manuscript
gives them a higher status : the then head of the family was John O
Crean of
Ballynegare, and inanother place in the manuscript O Crean of Annagh
is stated
to have been one of the leading families of Co. Sligo in the
sixteenth
century. According to the "Annals of
in 1582 was
an O Crean, but he was "removed" in 1584. Father Daniel O Crean
(d. c.
1616) of Holy Cross,
period of
intensive persecution."
Kevin also
kindly sent around the following Research Centres, Sites and
References:
There are
references to the early Creans in Mary O Dowd's book "Power,
Politics
and Land: Early Modern
Sligo"
and T. O Rourke's "History of
If you
would like to find out more about your own family write to either The
Sligo
Heritage and Genealogical Centre,
Heritage
and Genealogical Centre, Strokestown, Co. Roscommon.
Root
Surname List -
http://www.rootsweb.com/roots-l/cabbrev1.html
http:/searches.rootsweb.com/cgi-bin/genea/rsl
www.rootsweb.com/cgi-bin/rsl/rslformn
Irish
Family History Society,
Irish
Roots, Belgrave Publications,
www.iol.ie/~irishrts
Roscommon/Sligo
Homepage
http://www.thecore.com/let_ros/
To Kevin's
bit I'd like to add Robert E. Matheson's variations and Synonumes
of Surnames
(Dublin, 1901, p. 37): "Crean: Crain, Crane, Creaghan, Creen,
Crehan;
Cregan: Craigan, Creegan, Creggan, Creghan, Creigan."
In the same
volume at my local library is the Special Report on Surnames in
Ireland
(1909, Dublin, p. 43-4): "Table
showing the surnames in Ireland
having 5
Entries and upwards in the Birth Indexes of 1890, together with the
number in
each registration province, and the registration counties in which
these names
are principally found:
Creagh: 17 births in 1890 index: 6 Leinster, 8
Munster, 1 Ulster, 2 Connaught
Crean (24):
27 births in 1890 index: 4 Leinster, 16 Munster, - Ulster, 7
Connaught
(note: 9 in Kerry, 7 in
Cork, 4 in Wexford)
Cregan
(20)/Creegan(13): 33 births in 1890 index: 10 Leinster, 12 Munster, 4
Ulster, 7
Connaught (note:
"Cregan" Limerick & Meath;
"Creegan", Leitrim & Sligo)
Crehan
(15): 17 births in 1890 index: -Leinster, 1 Munster, 1 Ulster, 15
Connaught
(note: "Crehan" 14 in
Galway)
Cryan: 15 births in 1890 index: -Leinster, -Munster,
-Ulster, 15 Connaught
(note: 10
in Roscommon)
Out of an
abbreviated study of MacLysaght's I got the following:
"(o)
Cryan, Crynes: A Co. Roscommon form of
Crean." (p. 56)
"(o)
Crean, Creaghan, Crehan, O Croidheain [sorry for my lack of proper gaelic
accents]: A
Cenel Eoghain sept of Donegal, with a branch in Co. Sligo ...
These names
are also anglicized forms of O Criochain alias Mac Criochain of
Ardstraw... "(o) Creegan, O Croidheagain: This is Cregan in Co. Limerick.
As Creegan
in Co. Sligo it is akin to O'Crean."
Hopefully
this helps explain why many of us may be way-distant cousins, or at
least
viewed as such. I'd love to hear more
from others on the subject. In
other
words, stop wondering and start posting!
:)
Some of you
have told me wonderful stories of murder, hardship, castles which
are now
"grassy mounds" on "wet hillsides", web-sites you've posted
parts of
your
genealogy on, and all sorts of places you've checked out. I'm duly
recording
everything into the database that I can fit, but the stories are
really
wonderful and would make good reading for us all. Here's a good one
from
me: I recently found out my Ggrandmother
Agnes Cryan Smyth was the first
Catholic to
work for Linde Air (her father was an RIC constable and mother was
a
housekeeper to British soldiers pre-1916).
During the Depression here in
the States,
Agnes had to sell her watch given to her from her Linde Air
employer
and her mother's beautiful piano. Two of
Agnes' sister-in-laws
married
interesting intellectuals, one an Irish writer whose name no one
remembers
and the other a communist who moved his whole family to the USSR in
the
twenties (and returned later). All of
our families have such stories - I
look
forward to reading your's. Leslie
Ah,
studying the humanities ... and realizing one's perfection neuroses along
the
way. I bagged out before I got to that
stage: remaining sane yet still a
small piece of
regret (smaller as the years roll by).
My master's thesis was