From Wed Jan  7 14:08:44 1998From: "Anthony & Jill Cryan" <>Organization: The Adjutant's DeskTo:

  HelloThis is just an email wishing to confirm if you are Kevin Cryan from

Dublin who recently sent out research requests for the Cryan/ Crean

family.Thank you.Anthony & Jill


 From Sat Jan 10 13:15:31 1998

  > Date:          Fri, 9 Jan 1998 17:53:12 +0000 (GMT)> To:            Anthony & Jill Cryan <>> Subject:       Re: Cryan/ Crean Research> Hi > I sent 620 copies of that letter to Cryan addresses all over the > world. What did you think of it? Did you get my email off the net?>Hello Kevin - nice to hear from you BTW, please count my reply as one also for Gay Cryan (Albion, Brisbane) and Percy Cryan (Coorparoo Brisbane).620 letters ! You have my respect right off.........As for you email address, yes I did get it off the net (Alta Vista is a great search engine).Karen McElrath will be forwarding an email to you with some details of what I know of my Cryan side - as a lead in my GGrandfather was Thomas Cryan from Gurteen, Sligo Ireland (b.1854); his father was a Domnick Cryan who was married to a Catherine Cauly (I have no other details on Domnick).I would be both interested and appreciative of any help you can give

me - as going by the list of material you have in your possession you may at least be able to get me started on more of the Irish side of records etc as far as the line back from Domnick is concerned - I would be willing to cover costs of postage and  copying if need be, but even an email "filling in the gaps" would be great..Cheers TC

Anthony & Jill Cryan


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Subject: Cryan and O'Beirne

Dear Kevin,Are you the same Kevin whose undated snail mail I received today citing Kit

O'Beirne of Cloonshane?If so, perhaps we could do this by e-mail.

Sincerely,Sean(John E. O'Beirne, ex Tulsk, now NY)


hello Karen.I hope that you had a nice Christmas.Just getting back to you on my Cryan research. I have now established that my g-g-grandfather was John Cryan, born approx 1847. Apparantly he went to the US for a few years before he was married and earned enough money there to come home and buy a farm in Co. Sligo. He subsequently married a Mary Ann O'Neill, also from the Ballymote area of Co. Sligo. He had 5 sons and 3 daughters - John, Matthew, Michael, Martin, Harry, Mary Ann, Delia and Nora. Mary Ann was my g-grandmother. Her brother Matthew emigrated to Boston. I have leads to follow up on all the family except Matthew at present. I have a lot of following up to do yet with elderly relatives on the Cryan side, so hopefully I can make more progress.Have you come across any Cryans from Boston in your research? If so and if they are contactable by email, I might try emailing them.

You asked in your email if I been in touch with a Kevin Cryan from Dublin. I haven't - perhaps you can send me contact information for him. I don't know yet if Sligo was the origin of my Cryan line, but its no harm to have contact info for other Cryan lines in case I ever make a connection.Thanks for you help. Good luck with your own research - maybe we'll

establish a link when we make more progress.Best wishes for the New Year.



 From: (Lyle Staehnke)Date: Sat, 10 Jan 1998 20:53:43 -0800

To: (caoimhghin ocroidheain)Subject: Re: cryans

 Kevin, I am in the process of moving,, I will be in my new place on Jan

15th,, The address is 3533 N.E. 149th Portland Ore. 97230,, After I get

moved in and settled down my plan is to get a home page and enter all

the information that I have,, If you have another news letter you sent

out I would like to have one or any other info on the Cryan`s,,, If you

have any question`s that you think I might have the answer to,, let me

know  ,Good luck Kevin ,, Lyle ,,,.


From Wed Jan 14 23:39:52 1998 From: sioban mullin <>Reply-To: dublin@sympatico.caX-Mailer: Mozilla 3.01C-SYMPA  

KevinMichael Tobin gave me you email address and told me you were researching

the Cryan family.  My maternal grandmother was a Cryne, she was born and

reared in Manchester, England but her parents apparently came from

Tubbecurry, Co. Sligo.  I cant find any references to the name CRYNE in

the Irish records I have so far.  My assumption is that when they went

to Enlgand the spelling of the name changed.  Michael tells me that you

have information about the name, and say it originates in Roscommon.  I

would love to hear from you with any info you have on the subject.  I

realise this genealogy thing can snowball and you may not have time to

get into lengthy details, however, if you can get in touch I would

appreciate it.Bye the way, Michael mentioned you live in Dublin.  I live on the edge

of  one of the Great Lakes, Lake Erie in Southern Ontario, just moved

here last August from Ottawa; however, I'm Dublin born and bred.  Four

generations of my family have lived in Blackrock.  I still have cousins

there.Hoping to hear from you.Sioban Mullin


Dear Kevin, Thank you for your letter of recent regarding our "Cryan" families.  Theonly information that I have pertaining to my Cryan family is as follows:         My paternal great grandmother, Jane (Jennie) Carroll Donovan, wasthe daughter of Cormack and Brigid (Cryan)        Carroll.  Jane was baptized on October 21, 1855 at Boyle Parish,Co. Roscommon.  Cormack Carroll and  Brigid Cryan were married on February 17, 1848 at Boyle Parish. Witnesses to this marriage were James        Gallagher and Margaret Cryan.  According to the records at the Co.Roscommon Heritage and Genealogical        Center, other Cryan members were Baptismal Sponsors for thechildren of Cormack and Brigid.  Those        names were Michael, Brigid, John (Cryne), and James Cryan. Unfortunately no address was given for either        Cormack or Brigid.        Cormack and Brigid Carroll's oldest and only surviving son, JamesCarroll, was born November 11, 1851        (sponsors were Michael and Brigid Cryan).  James married MargaretNicholson of Aughee on February 5,        1884 at Boyle Parish.  Their address was given as Garrow.  Thewitnesses to this marriage were James        Cryan and Mary Feehily.  James and Margaret Carroll had sevenchildren, the youngest two were born        here in Massachusetts.

>From the information that I was able to acquire from the Co. RoscommonHeritage & Genealogical Center is that my ancestors, Cormack and BrigidCarroll had owned a house, offices, and land (33 acres, 3 buildings, 25 P.)according to the Griffiths Valuation.  According to the Tithe ApplotmentBook, a J.S. Carroll was listed (possible father of Cormack).  Cormack andBrigid's first son was name James (died).  They then named their second sonJames (above).  Unfortunately, no records of either Cormack or Brigid'sbaptism/birth at the Parish of Boyle were found.  If J.S. Carroll wasindeed Cormack's father and he was living in Garrow at the time of theTithe Applotment Book, then what Parish did Cormack's family belong if notBoyle!  My own father's godmother was a Margaret  (Peg) Cryan of Lowell,Massachusetts.  I haven't yet begun to investigate the Cryan family inLowell.  Most of my time has been devoted to the "Donovan" family andtrying to find where in Ireland they emigrated from. Could your great great grandfather, John Cryan, be a brother to my greatgreat grandmother, Brigid Cryan Carroll and the baptismal sponsor, JohnCryne, to Margaret Carrol baptized on August 4, 1853? Look forward to hearing from you.  Best wishes to you and your family forhappy and healthy New Year! Regards, Joan E. Ogg P.S.  A printout of my complete "Cryan" family line to follow in mail.


From Sat Jan 10 23:55:43 1998 

Kevin,    I'd be interested in getting something back from you, after the detailed information I sent you.  I'd be interested in other cryan e-mails.  (I know you offer this because it is the easiest.)  More particularly, however, I'd like more information on the resources you've collected. I understand that the National Library (or the National Archives) has the estate records of Lord Lorton, whose seat was in Boyle, Roscommon; whose estate stretched from East Sligo across North Roscommon and into Leitrim; and who, I'm told, did not lease through middlemen, but only through his own agents.  This estate, it seems to me, represents the whole native lands

of the Cryans.  Have you explored this? Specifically, have you found record of a James Cryan (married to Honoria Beirne or Honora Byrne in the Sligo parish of Kilfree and Killaragt in

1853) originally from Sligo and given a lease in the townland of Ballinultha (old spelling Ballynanultagh), where he was at the time of Griffith's Valuation in 1857.I have a considerable amount of additional information about my own relatives in this country which will have to wait for some more specific response from yourself. I await your response.

                                                Roger Martin Cryan

> From: caoimhghin ocroidheain <> > To: Roger Cryan and Regina Pana-Cryan <>> Subject: cryans> Date: Friday, January 09, 1998 1:23 PM

> > hi> Happy new year I am getting som e responses to my cryan letter (620 sent).

> MIght eventually be able to tie some together! Could you send me your own> cryan tree details? would you be interested in other cryan researchers emails?> Email me or send to either of these addresses> 44 st columbas rise, swords, co dublin, ireland

> or 231 campus res., ballymun rd., dublin 9> > yours sincerely> kevin cryan


From Thu Jan  8 15:12:22 1998

  Kevin, The recent release of the Root Surname List (RSL) contained new orupdated information from you.  Attached to the bottom of this formletter is the information we currently have in our files.  Let us knowabout any errors.  (If all is well, there is no need to respond to thisnote.) Feel free to send in modifications or additions at any time.  If you do,though, help us by identifying which information is new and which is achange to old.  Please please do not resubmit information we already have inour files.  Also, whenever you correspond with us, please be sure to remindus of your nametag -- that is how we know for sure that you are you,so to speak.  Your nametag is: kc949714

For information about the RSL, how to get a copy, etc., send any

message to

A table of the abbreviations that are used is located at

Your surnames are also now on the WWW, in the RSL database accessible


Thanks again for participating!      Roots Surname List Data Entry Team


P.S. Corrections and changes we've received very recently

are not reflected in the data below.Your address info:

kc949714 Kevin Cryan,                                   

         231, campus residences, ballymun road, dublin 9, ireland             

Your surname info:+Cryan        1836   now IRL>USA kc949714                                      


Hello Karen My name is Tony Cryan and I live in Brisbane, Queensland,

Australia.Although interested in history for quite a while - and helping others

at times with their searches - it is only now I am hoping to work a

bit more on my own family.I only have the slight basics at this stage, so any possible

help you may give me would be greatly appreciated.My GG Grandfather was Domnick Cryan (m. Catherine Cauly) - no dates/ other information  at present.My G Grandfather was Thomas Cryan born in Gurteen, Sligo, Ireland in 1854. He arrived in Australia approx 1877 and in 1884

married Ellen Hayes (b. 1860, Rossmore, Tipperary, Ireland).They had 6 Children - Mary Catherine (Catherin Mary ??);  (b. 1885 ?) Domnick Francis (b. 1886 ?);  Cornelius Patrick (b. Oct 1888); Thomas (b. 1890 ?) James (b. 1892 ?)  and Winifred Dorothy (b. Oct 1894 ?)GGrandfather Thomas died of mania/ exahaustion in 1894.My Grandfather, Cornelius was born in 1888 at Gympie, Australia.In 1914 he married Ethel Frances Cozens and in 1918 they had a son, Percy.Cornelius died of Arteriosclerosis in 1961.Percy married Gloria Connor in 1922 and had a son - Anthony in 1961.I married Jillian Francis in 1988 and our son Jonathan was born in 1994.Through your note in Kevin's letter, I am very interested to see if there is a family connection from the Sligo end.Also, could you tell me what unit your Patrick Cryan enlisted in during the American Civil War - or any other information you may have about his service.BTW - Pleased to meet you.Cheers.TCAnthony & Jill Cryan



Domnick Cryan  (m.  Catherine Cauly) Farmer Born: Ireland   I have found the following for his son Thomas (b.1854 came to Aust  approx 1877) - his children were all born in Oz, but I have included the info for name recognition purposes: Thomas Cryan b. 1854 d. 06/12/1894 (m. Gympie 09/07/1884 Ellen Hayes b. 1860) Miner  Born: Gurteen, Sligo, Ireland  Arrived Australia: Approx 1877

Children:       Mary Catherine (Catherine Mary ?) (b. 1885 ?)

                Domnick Francis (b. 1886 ?) (m. Mary Ann Mclean b.1892 d. 1917???? )

                Cornelius Patrick (b. Oct 1888)

                Thomas (b. 1890 ?)

                James (b. 1892 ?)



I have now established that my g-g-grandfather was John Cryan, born approx 1847. Apparantly he went to the US for a few years before he was married and earned enough money there to come home and buy a  farm in Co.Sligo. He subsequently married a Mary Ann O'Neill, also from the Ballymote area of Co. Sligo. He had 5 sons and 3 daughters -John, Matthew, Michael, Martin, Harry, Mary Ann, Delia and Nora. Mary Ann was my g-grandmother. Her brother Matthew emigrated to Boston. I have leads to follow up on all the family except Matthew at present. I  have a lot of following up to do yet with elderly relatives on the Cryan side, so hopefully I can make more progress. ? Have you come across any Cryans from Boston in your research? If so and if they are contactable by email, I might try emailing them. You asked in your email if I been in touch with a Kevin Cryan from Dublin. I haven't - perhaps you can send me contact information for him. I don't know yet if Sligo was the origin of my Cryan line, but its no harm to have contact info for other Cryan lines in case I ever make a connection. Thanks for you help. Good luck with your own research - maybe we'll establish a link when we make more progress. Best wishes for the New Year.



Michael Tobin gave me you email address and told me you were researchingthe Cryan family.  My maternal grandmother was a Cryne, she was born andreared in Manchester, England but her parents apparently came fromTubbecurry, Co. Sligo.  I cant find any references to the name CRYNE inthe Irish records I have so far.  My assumption is that when they wentto Enlgand the spelling of the name changed.  Michael tells me that youhave information about the name, and say it originates in Roscommon.  Iwould love to hear from you with any info you have on the subject.  Irealise this genealogy thing can snowball and you may not have time toget into lengthy details, however, if you can get in touch I wouldappreciate it.Bye the way, Michael mentioned you live in Dublin.  I live on the edgeof  one of the Great Lakes, Lake Erie in Southern Ontario, just movedhere last August from Ottawa; however, I'm Dublin born and bred.  Fourgenerations of my family have lived in Blackrock.  I still have cousinsthere. Hoping to hear from you.


Date: Tue, 31 Mar 1998 11:35:14 +1000 (EST)From: Joanne R Grant <>To: Kevin Cryan <>


Hi Kevin,Perhaps I have found your PATRICK CRYAN - or at least his descendants.

The 'Irish Roots' article has just reached me (takes a while to get here)and I remembered my search for 'PADDY' CRYAN a few years ago.He is NOT my ancestor, but is connected to my HENERY/HENRY family from CoRoscommon in a very round-about way.The PATRICK MICHAEL CRYAN - born circa 1873 - about whom I have someinformation, was, I am told, possibly the son of another 'PADDY' CRYAN.   Ihave not yet obtained his death certificate to confirm this.He was a publican in Roma, Queensland where he died in 1941. He left nodescendants.  Roma is 'in the outback' - (west of Brisbane, if you have amap)  and I visited the town and photographed his grave.  A local historianthought that he had a photograph of PADDY's father, an early settler,  takenwith some aboriginal people - but I have heard nothing further from this man.He married FRANCES MARY REGAN in Sydney, NSW in 1908.   FRANCES had asister, EMILY who was married to JOHN JOSEPH HENERY.   JOHN, (or JJ as hewas known), is the brother of my great-grandfather EDWARD JOSEPH HENERY

(1857-1935).  This HENERY family came from CLONOWN, ATHLONE and I suspect

that the REGAN family were also from the same area.I have a few more details and can add to this story if you are interested.Please advise if you want to know more.Best regards,   Jo

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         v    Downunder    :-) Greetings from the Magnificent Upper MurrayFrom: Harvey Wohlwend <harvey.wohlwend@SEMATECH.Org>To: 94971455@tolka.dcu.ieCc: harvey.wohlwend@SEMATECH.OrgSubject: Cryan genealogy

Hello Kevin,I found your name via an Internet search for Irish genealogy and theCryan surname. My mother's maiden name is Cryan. Unforturnately sheknows very little about her ancestors. Through research I now believeher ancestors emigrated to Canada from Ireland after 1826 and before1852. They moved from Canada to the United States in 1887.Are the Cryans originally from a particular area of Ireland?Looking forward to hearing from you.Regards, Harvey WohlwendAustin, Texas, USA

Date: Wed, 18 Mar 1998 20:35:38 -0500 From: Janeson Keeley <>To:

Subject: Cryan entry in Roots surname listI found your e-mail address via Roots surname list.

My husband's mother was born Carrye Catheryne Cryan in Rainelle, West

Virginia, USA, in 1912.  She died when my husband was a child, and he

was never sure what country the Cryans had come from originially.

On a wild guess, I supposed that the name was Irish, but was never able

to confirm that until I found your listing.

Thanks!Janeson KeeleyRoanoke, VA,

From: UIA1 <>To: 94971455@tolka.dcu.ieSubject: Re: Hello

Kevin,     Thanks for your e-mail.  I have already found out the names of the Offaly

papers, but I appreciate your help in the matter.  If I can ever help you with

anything here in the U.S., please don't hesitate to send me an e-mail.

      I live in West Hartford, which is outside of Hartford, which is the

capitol of Connecticut.  Where are you located ?

      I think that IRISH ROOTS is a great magazine. Always interesting stuff

in it.  We know in detail about three of my grandparents but know nothing of

my grandfather and his Offaly roots.  Mainly I have spent most of my time in

Kenmare in Kerry because both of my maternal grandparents are from there.

     Thanks again for everything, and e-mail me anytime - if I can answer any

question about the U.S. or help in any matter.

John Horan<>


Date: Sat, 28 Mar 1998 14:18:59 -0500 From: Janeson Keeley <>To: caoimhghin ocroidheain <>

Subject: Re: Cryan entry in Roots surname listcaoimhghin ocroidheain wrote:> hi> just a quick note to say Igot your message I might send the info re> cryans through Yahoo but I dont have the disc on me at the moment it> also> contains the Cryan death index (ireland)> Caoimh (gentle ) g(h)in (birth) "Kevkevin> O (from Avios - grandson , mac-soon)> Croidhe (heart) ain -noble (cryan) > caoimhghin-----Caoimhghin,


Thanks for the note, and the translation of your names.  I'm sure thatneither my husband nor I have even begun to pronounce them correctly:-)  (My husband's name is Marion Errold Lyon, Jr., but he goes byBuffy.)Last weekend we went to Rainelle, WV, to see the graves of Buffy's

grandfather Michael C. (1877-1930) and uncle Jesse Lewis (1916-1932)Cryan.  We found out that his grandfather was born in Pennsylvania.  Wethink that Michael's parents came from Ireland to PA, but we have nodocumentation of that.We also found out that Buffy has a cousin that he never knew aboutbefore - John S. Cryan - who is also doing research on the  family.  Wemailed him a letter last week, but haven't heard from him yet.  Maybe hehas gotten back farther than we've been able to.If I find out anything more, I'll let you know.  Thanks for keeping meposted.-Janeson


Date: Sat, 28 Mar 1998 16:01:41 +0000 (GMT)From: caoimhghin ocroidheain <>To: DSchaub1 <>Subject: Re: The Cryan Game   Thanks for your very interesting letter - I have to rush but I think youshould try the roscommon-sligo homepage they have a huge growing list offamily researchers -I shall look up your bookThe link between crane crehan and cryean/crean is fascinating - we should consolidate info maybe you could send me copies of the most importantstuff - the search widens all the time! I have a lotof cryan researcher addresses  but no crehans or cranes.keep in touchKevin Cryanlet me know if you wzant copies of my material!!


Date: Sun, 22 Mar 1998 20:17:45 EST From: DSchaub1 <>

To: 94971455@tolka.dcu.ieSubject: The Cryan Game

Dear Kevin,                 Greetings from Calumet City, Illinois, U. S. A.  I waspleased to read your article in Irish Roots Magazine.  Hopefully, you might beable to consolidate the Cryan, Crean and Crehan clan worldwide whereby acentralized source of information would be established.  I have been searchingfor my branch of the Crehan family for the past 18 years and I looked forwardto the day when someone such as yourself; especially in the home country,Ireland, might be able to consolidate our individual efforts towards a commongoal.  I believe our family names have been sorely neglected in favor of themore popular Irish surnames.  The names that are associated with my branch of the Crehanfamily are Cuddy or Cuddihy.  My great-grandparents were Patrick Crehan (born1844) and Mary Cuddihy (born 1846).  They were married in Silvermines/Nenagh, Tipperary on 2 August 1863 where Patrick worked as a miner.  Their daughter,Mary, was born on 24 December 1864.  They immigrated to America in 1868 wheremy great-grandfather continued his trade as a miner and where their succeedingchildren, including my grandfather, John Crane, were born.  I am also certainthat my great-grandmother's parent's names were Denis (born 1810) and Anne(born 1810) Cuddihy.  To this date it appears that I have exhausted all of theknown sources of information available to me in Ireland as regards to tracingexactly where it was that my great-grandparents originated from.                 You might be pleased to know that I have obtained, over theyears, quite an extensive amount of research material that includes some ofthe very source material that you have mentioned in your article.  Inaddition, I have only recently placed an order, not yet received, for theIndex of the Griffith's Valuation that is advertised on page 11 of the currentissue of Roots Magazine.  Also, for your information, I have a book on file atthe National Library of Ireland that I sent to them some years ago and that Ititled, "Green Is The Valley, Blue Are The Hills."  The book tells the storyof my search for my ancestors.                 Do you think that you might be able to put me in touch withsomeone who might be researching my branch of the Crehan family?  If so, Iwould certainly appreciate it.  At present, I am writing to you on mydaughter's computer in her home.  She lives about 3 to 4 miles from where Ilive.  My home address is: Thomas Crane   1354  Hirsch Street , Calumet City,Illinois 60409  U.S.A.  My telephone number is: (708) 862-8954.  Since it isabout 7:00 pm here in the US, and you are about 6 hours ahead of us in time,you probably will not read this letter until you get up in the morning.  Inthat case, "Have a good day."  God Bless.


Date: Sun, 5 Apr 1998 16:08:44 EDTFrom: DSchaub1 <>

To: caoimhghin ocroidheain <>Subject: Re: The Cryan Game

 Dear Kevin,It was nice to receive your reply to my message.  I would be happy to exchange

info with you.  I recently purchased the CD Rom for Griffith's Valuation asadvertised in "Irish Roots."  It should prove to be a valueable research tool.In the meantime, since you are experienced in looking up death records at theGeneral Register Office, I wonder if you would be willing to research one forme.  I would gladly pay you for any expense plus postage.  I am certain thatthe person who I am interested in was my great-grandfather's sister.  Her name

was Bridget Crehan.  She married a Joseph Lacy in Silvermines, Tipperary on 25Feb 1854.  They had 3 children; John (born 2 Oct 1856), Margaret (born 26 May1861) and Michael (born 6 Sept 1863)  Although some not agree with me, Isuspect she remarried as a widow using her maiden name.  The reason why I saythis is because I have obtained the record of a Bridget Crehan (listed asthis is because I have obtained the record of a Bridget Crehan (listed aswidow) who was also married in Silvermines to a Martin Burns on 18 Jan 1874.I suspect that this Bridget Crehan is one and the same and even though it wasnot indicated as such, she was the widow of Joseph Lacy.  Since she did notmove out of the Silvermines area, I believe that she might be buried there.Hopefully, by chance, they might have recorded her parent's names.  If so, mysearch would be over as that is about as far as I could possibly take it.Would it be too difficult for you to research these names, that is BridgetLacy and Bridget Burns?  Please let me know.  I could probably request theinfo from the Nenagh District Heritage Center, but I have a felling that youmight be more exact in your search due to your experience.  I will be looking

forward to your reply.  In the meantime, Best Wishes.        Tom Crane


Date: Fri, 03 Apr 1998 21:15:53 -0500 From: Janeson Keeley <>

To: 94971455@tolka.dcu.ieSubject: Cryan info, part 2

Kevin, I got a file from Harvey Wohlwend as well.  Thanks for connecting us all

together. I noticed that you didn't have my full address.  If you send out anaddendum, feel free to include it: 1941 Governor Dr.Roanoke, VA  24019-3619 USA


I noticed that you have a list of Cryan births from the MormonGenealogical Index.  Is there any way you could send me a copy?  Orcould I send you names of people to check on?  Or, could you tell me howI noticed that you have a list of Cryan births from the MormonGenealogical Index.  Is there any way you could send me a copy?  Orcould I send you names of people to check on?  Or, could you tell me howto get one? Thanks from my beloved spouse and me, JanesonCc:,, Subject: Re: cryan info


Harvey,I'm sorry, but I jumped the gun with my last message, sending it before reading the document you sent. As I mentioned, my husband's grandfather, Michael C. Cryan, was born in Pennsylvania (at least that is the family lore - we have nodocumentation) in 1877 and died in West Virginia in 1930.  We have notbeen able to get back any further than that.If you know of any possible connections, I would appreciate hearing about them. My husband - whose name is M. Errold ("Buffy") Lyon, Jr., is the second child of Michael's second daughter - Carrye Catheryne Cryan - who diedin 1960 in Roanoke, VA. ? If you know of any possible connections, I would appreciate hearing about them. My husband - whose name is M. Errold ("Buffy") Lyon, Jr., is the second child of Michael's second daughter - Carrye Catheryne Cryan - who diedin 1960 in Roanoke, VA. Good luck with your research. Janeson Keeley

1941 Governor Dr.Roanoke, VA  24019-3619 USA


Date: Sun, 5 Apr 1998 06:47:04 +1000 (EST)From: Joanne R Grant <>To: Kevin Cryan <>Subject: REPLY TO CRYAN INFO

Hi Kevin Message received with attach GENABS.DOC.  Will take a while to digest.  Also

info from Janeson Keeley altho cannot quite see the relevance of this. I have joined the Co Roscommon Family History Society and have sent info onHENERY/HENRY family but still awaiting a reply. I wonder if there was any connection between the HENERY family and the CRYANfamil, in Athlone or Clonown, prior to their immigration to Australia? Best regards,  Jo


Ancestors of Michael Cryan

Generation No. 1


        1.  Michael Cryan, born in Ireland.  He married (1) Mary.  She was the daughter of Mary's Father and Mary's Mother.

Notes for Michael Cryan:

The Irish potato famine was primarily between 1845 and 1850. These Cryan's most probably came to Canada from Ireland after 1826 and before 1852.

If they came in through New York: The Irish Emigrant Society of New York was organized in 1841 and chartered in 1844; its objective was "to afford advice, information, aid and protection to Emigrants from Ireland, and generally to promote their welfare."

Between 1820-1830 50,000 Irish immigrants enter the United States. In 1821 a general population census is taken (most of which was destroyed by fire in 1922 making genealogy difficult). Between 1824-1838 the tithe applotments (or tax lists) are compiled. This Griffith's Valuation is a census alternative. Between 1848-1864 a householder list is compiled of every householder and land owner/renter. This is the Index of Surnames from Griffith's Valuation. Between 1830-1840 237,000 Irish immigrants enter the United States. Between 1840-1850 The Great Famine strikes, more than 1,000,000 Irish men and women emigrate. Between 1840-1850 800,000 Irish immigrants enter the United States.

Eleanor Wohlwend remembers hearing that there were 21 children in this family by 3 different wives.

Notes for Mary:

The 1900 census says Mary and her two sons Michael and Joseph came to the United States (from Canada?) in 1887. At the time of the census Mary could not read or write and had not been naturalized. Michael and Joseph were naturalized citizens. The 1900 census also lists a 15 year old servant in the house by the name of Anna Stibal who can read and write. She is later to become Mrs. Joseph Daniel Cryan.

It is interesting to note that they moved to Cayuga, North Dakota and that there is a town by the name of Cayuga on the Grand River in North Cayuga Township and it is the county seat of Haldimand County, Ontario. There is also a South Cayuga Township in Haldimand County, Ontario.

Mary is not included in the 1910 census so she probably passed away between 1900 and 1910.

        Children of Michael Cryan and Mary are:

                           i.    Austin Cryan, born Abt. 1852 in Ontario, Canada; married Margaret Barry Abt. 1885.

Notes for Austin Cryan:

The 1900 North Dakota census (Roll 1232, page 52B) says he came to the United States in 1870 and that he was naturalized. He owned the farm with a mortgage. A servant by the name of Evan O. Jones, born Aug. 1847 in Wales, is also in the house.

The 1910 North Dakota census says they have 9 children, 8 living. They are all still living at home. Also in the household was an 18 year old hired man (Henry Wargeria) and a 23 year old boarder (Arnest Fust).

The 1900 census says his parents were born in Canada (Eng). The 1910 census says his parents were born in Ireland.

He moved to Houston, Texas about 1920.

Notes for Margaret Barry:

The 1900 census says Margaret came to the United States in 1885 and that she was not naturalized.

                          ii.    James Cryan, born January 1854 in Canada (Eng.); married Sarah A. Abt. 1897.

Notes for James Cryan:

James lived south of Lake Tewaukon in Sargent County, North Dakota. He later moved to Havana, ND.

The 1900 North Dakota census says he came to the United States in 1880. He and Sarah can both read and write English and they own the farm free of mortgage.

The 1910 North Dakota census includes one 22 year old hired man by the name of Ed Hobby who was born in Wisconsin.

In the 1920 North Dakota census James is in the Enumeration District 159, page 4.

                         iii.    Joseph Daniel Cryan, born January 05, 1863 in Canada (Eng.)1; died December 05, 1932 in Cayuga, North Dakota; married Anna Marie Theresa Stibal January 19, 1904 in St. Martin's, Geneseo, North Dakota.

Notes for Joseph Daniel Cryan:

The homestead was 4 miles south and 2 miles east of Cayuga. The family moved into Cayuga when Eleanor was ready to start school.

The 1900 and 1910 census lists Joe as being born in January 1871. The 1920 census suggests Joe was born in 1868.

The 1900 North Dakota census lists Michael as head of the household and he owned the farm free of mortgage.

The 1910 North Dakota census lists both Michael and Joe as head of the same household. There is also a hired girl and a hired man in the house.

The 1920 North Dakota census lists Joe as the head of the household and Michael is a brother living in the house. There is also one 22 year old hired man in the house.

More About Joseph Daniel Cryan:

Death: December 07, 1932, Buried in Cayuga, ND.

Cause of Death: Stroke.

Notes for Anna Marie Theresa Stibal:

Minnesota became a state on May 11, 1858. It has 84,068 square miles and is the 32th state. It was originally settled on March 3, 1849 and was a territory for 9 years. During that time it was known as Northwest Territory, Dakota Territory, and Minnesota Territory.

Anna's father spoke Bohemian and her mother spoke German. They learned English when Anna went to school.

More About Anna Marie Theresa Stibal:

Death: March 10, 1947, Anna is buried in Cayuga, ND

                         iv.    Michael Cryan, born October 20, 1863 in Canada (Eng.)2; died August 10, 1921 in Cayuga, North Dakota.

Notes for Michael Cryan:

The 1900 North Dakota census gives his birth date as October 1867. It also says Michael owned the farm free of mortgage.

The 1910 census suggests Michael was born in 1870.

He never married.

                          v.    Thomas Cryan.

Notes for Thomas Cryan:Thomas was a barber in Havana, North Dakota. He never married.

Endnotes1.  From the 1910 census, roll 1148, page 95A.2.  Tombstone in Cayuga.


        <> Add to Address Book   Date:    Tue, 7 Jul 1998 08:59:10 EDT

    To: Subject:   Re: cryan info - thank you

I was able to retrieve your information very easily as a .txt file.  And, I'mpretty certain I located my Great Great Grandfather's death record  through it,shedding more light and a place to look for information re: his death.  There aren't too many Robert Cryans, thank goodness. I read your intro with great interest, but no light to shine on your search for info on "Master Cryan" (at least as of yet).  Since I initially contacted you my grandmother has revealed to me a British passport for her mother, Agnes Cryan Smyth.  It is interesting, should you not and yet wish to know it, that she was not naturalized as a US citizen (although her husband was).  And since she was not living in Ireland after the beginning of the Republic, eventhough her last residence was in Dublin (and born in Castlebar, Co Mayo - againthanks to the passport), she was still a British citizen because she was born one. Checking out Irish citizenship rules will be an interesting bit of history for me to read about one of these days. Now I have a question of politics to ask you - if you can spare the time andadvice.  I don't think my Cryans were on the Collins' side of things exactly, as my Great Great Grandfather Robert was a member of the Royal Constabulary. After she was widowed, my Great Great Grandmother Frances Fox Cryan wasa housekeeper in a boarding house for British Officers (1901-teens), until she came over here with her daughter Agnes (Frances died early on here and is buried in the Bronx, poor woman).  My grandmother remembers Agnes and her husband being big supporters of the Republic and talking about Irish politics all the time.  And yet, will I have problems trying to trace stuffabout their lives at the beginning of this century?  Did the new Republic's enthusiasmseek to wipe out records of British rule?  A lot of newly created governments tend to, don't they.  I'm just curious about this aspect. Well, I've been rambling in your direction for a while, so I should leave you be now.  Do you have anything else computerized, such as the birth or marriage records index?   I noted the addresses you sent and have collected similar for Mayo.  So if that's the way I should go, please say so again. Thank you for your help and history -- you've gotten me much further along my way than I ever expected to get so quickly.    --Leslie Poché, Chicago


From: Add to Address Book   Date:        Wed, 9 Sep 1998 22:15:14 EDT

 Subject:        [CRYAN-L] Griffith's Valuation: first 1/2 of Co. Roscommon    To:

If anyone can link up to one of the below, please let me know.  These are onlyCo. Roscommon variations on Crean/Cryan etc., and so far I've only transcribedup to the Barony of Ballintober, South for Union of Roscommon (for those inthe know).  Griffith's was done in Co. Roscommon in 1857.  I've only  listedthe Parish, Townland, name of occupier and lessor.  It's sorted by occupier

name.  Hope it gives someone new information:

Killumod/Cartron:       Clyan, Henry    Dunne, John, MD

Taghmaconnell/Eskerberg:        Crean, Edward   Smyth, Henry

Taghmaconnell/Eskerberg:        Crean, John     Kelly, Thomas

Kilnamanagh/Kingsland:  Creen, Patrick  Conmee, Matthew

Ardcarn/Errironagh:     Crian, Michael  Peyton, Charles

Kilnamanagh/Ardmoyh:    Crine, Bartholomew      McCausland, Marcus

Kilbride/Grange:        Croghan, Hugh   Farrell, Reps. Daniel

Kilronan/Aghafin:       Croghan, James  O'Conor, Arthur

Fuerty/Emlaghkeadew:    Croghan, Matthew        Coote, Sir Charles Henry, Bart.

Fuerty/Emlaghkeadew:    Croghan, Matthew        Coote, Sir Charles Henry, Bart.

Kilbride/Derrane:       Croghan, Michael        Sands, William

Shankill/Kilnamryall:   Croghan, Patrick        Coote, Sir Charles H., Bt.

Shankill/Kilnamryall:   Croghan, Patrick        Coote, Sir Charles H., Bt.

Kilmacumsy/Lismacool:   Croghan, Patrick        Coote, Sir. Charles H. Coote, Bt.

St. Peters/Monksland:   Croghan, Richard        Wilson, Robert S.

St. Peters/Monksland:   Croghan, Richard        Wilson, Robert S.

Kilcolagh/Laughbally:   Croghan, Rose   Grace, Oliver D.J.

Fuerty/Emlaghkeadew:    Croghan, Thomas Coote, Sir Charles Henry, Bart.

Fuerty/Emlaghkeadew:    Croghan, Thomas Coote, Sir Charles Henry, Bart.

Kilbride/Cloonerk:      Croghan, William        Blakeny, Sarah Anne

Killumod/Finnor:        Cryan, Bryan    Barrett, Michael

Killumod/Derraun:       Cryan, Catherine        Caddell, Richard O'F.

Boyle/Town of Boyle:    Cryan, Catherine        Cox, Mary

Boyle/Town of Boyle:    Cryan, Dr. Peter        Bromwell, John

Boyle/Ballynanultagh:   Cryan, James    Viscount Lorton

Boyle/Ballynanultagh:   Cryan, James    Viscount Lorton

Kilbride/Cashelmeehan:  Cryan, James    Thewles, John E.

Killumod/Finnor:        Cryan, James    Barrett, Michael

Killumod/Culleenatreen, or Flagford:    Cryan, John     Crofton, Henry W.

Kilbryan/Smutternagh:   Cryan, John     Viscount Lorton

Killumod/Finnor:        Cryan, Luke     Barrett, Michael

Kilbryan/Smutternagh:   Cryan, Margaret Viscount Lorton

Killukin/Ballyculleen:  Cryan, Martin   Keogh, Thomas

Killumod/Carrowreagh:   Cryan, Mary     Boylan, Thomas

Kilbride/Cashelmeehan:  Cryan, Michael  Thewles, John E.

Boyle/Deerpark: Cryan, Michael  Viscount Lorton

Boyle/Deerpark: Cryan, Michael  Viscount Lorton

Estersnow/Granny:       Cryan, Patrick  Robinson, Rev. William

Boyle/Town of Boyle:    Cryan, Paul     Mulhall, David

Killumod/Culleenatreen, or Flagford:    Cryan, Peter    Crofton, Henry W.

Ardcarn/Clegna: Cryan, Roger    O'Hara, Patrick Jun.


From: Add to Address Book     Date:        Tue, 8 Sep 1998 18:38:40 EDT Subject:        [CRYAN-L] Crehan/Crgehan    To:

Another poster of names!  Yeah!:The Crehan's I have are my maternal grandmother's family, and the  spelling hasbeen consistant for a while.  I've seen it on my line spelled Creghan too.These are the names I have.Michael Crehan b 1855 Ballybane, Co. Galway  married--Catherine Kinsella b 1855 Ballybane, Co. Galwaychildren:  :Matthew Bernard Daniel Lawrence Michael Winifred Ellen DeliaJamesCatherine Margaret Bernard was my great-grandfather.  He came to the US in 1909, and got  his papers in 1919.  My grandmother doesn't know very much else, she went to

Ireland in the late 70's and met some family, but has since lost touch. Thanks again, please let me know if anything sounds familiar. Best,Jeanne Vitale



From: Add to Address Book   Date:        Tue, 8 Sep 1998 18:21:50 EDT

 Subject:        [CRYAN-L] Welcome to subscriber #20    To:

We've doubled our number in the past week and now are 20 subscribers strong!

Here's #20's introduction:  Yes, my ggggrandfather, Cornelius CREAN was from Glounthaune parish,County Cork and came to US, settling in Milwaukee.His son, John, (my gggrandfather) changed the spelling to CRAINE.  I'mpretty confident of the CREAN spelling, as it is used on a tombstone in1860 for John's sister, Mary.  Also, it is the way the name is listed onthe passenger list of 1852 which I found for Cornelius & his wifeHannah.I know our family has retained the CRAINE spelling.  John had an olderbrother, Owen, who I can't seem to find after about 1880.  He may havechanged his spelling to any of the various forms of Crane/Crain, orretained Crean.

I'd appreciate any info you have on the surname in general, and its origins in Ireland.

Thanks again.  Kathleen Craine, Chicago, IL


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From: Steve Morrison <>Subject: CreanX-Diagnostic: Already on the subscriber list

 Good morning everyone,I am always very pleased to hear from other Crean researchers,  and am

sending you what little I have,  and hope we may be of mutual assistance.Starting with my great-grandfather:Stephen Crean:  Born 1832 in Bandon,  County Cork,  Ireland.  Marriedto Mary Ann Cowgrave.  Born 1835 in Wexford, Ireland.  I don't yet know thedate of their marriage or where,  but I would guess about 1855-56, astheir first child was born 1857 when they were living in Wales.  They were:

Stephen Crean                  Born 1857Margeret Crean                   "  1859John Crean                       "  1864 Hannah Maria Crean               "  1869Clara Crean                      "  1871  Clara was my Mother's mother.James Patrick Crean              "  1879I obtained this information from the 1881 census for Newport, Monmouthshire,Wales.  My g-grandfather's trade was described as a mason. My mother told me that her Uncle Stephen was an accomplished cornet player. He went to New York,  where he was shot and killed by his business partner.She was very fond of her grandfather,  and named me after him.I must confess I am a novice at genealogy,  and with computers.  I don't

know if any of this will be of use to anyone,  but it seems worth a try. Best wishes,Steve.Stephen Crean Morrison.      --part0_905224598_boundary--



Date:  Fri, 4 Sep 1998 11:20:00 -0400  From: Jim Ogg <> Add to Address Book Subject:        [Fwd: Census Taker]

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It was the first day of census, and all through the land;

The pollster was ready ... a black book in hand.

He mounted his horse for a long dusty ride;

His book and some quills were tucked close by his side.

A long winding ride down a road barely there;

Toward the smell of fresh bread wafting, up through the air.

The woman was tired, with lines on her face;

And wisps of brown hair she tucked back into place.

She gave him some water ... as they sat at the table;

And she answered his questions ... the best she was able.

He asked of her children... Yes, she had quite a few;

The oldest was twenty, the youngest not two.

She held up a toddler with cheeks round and red;

his sister, she whispered, was napping in bed.

She noted each person who lived there with pride;

And she felt the faint stirrings of the wee one inside.

He noted the sex, the color, the age...

The marks from the quill soon filled up the page.

At the number of children, she nodded her head;

And saw her lips quiver for the three that were dead.

The places of birth she "never forgot";

Was it Kansas? or Utah? or Oregon ... or not?

They came from Scotland, of that she was clear;

But she wasn't quite sure just how long they'd been here.

They spoke of employment, of schooling and such;

They could read some .and write some .. though really not much.

When the questions were answered, his job there was done;

So he mounted his horse and he rode toward the sun.

We can almost imagine his voice loud and clear;

"May God bless you all for another ten years."

Now picture a time warp ... its' now you and me;

As we search for the people on our family tree.

We squint at the census and scroll down so slow;

As we search for that entry from long, long ago.

Could they only imagine on that long ago day;

That the entries they made would effect us this way?

If they knew, would they wonder at the yearning we feel;

And the searching that makes them so increasingly real.

We can hear if we listen the words they impart;

Through their blood in our veins and their voice in our heart.

Author Unknown


From: Add to Address Book   Date:        Thu, 3 Sep 1998 01:19:42 EDT Subject:        [CRYAN-L] Question of Name Variety    To:

Does anyone have any explanations/stories/family tales behind the manyvarieties of Crean/Cryan available?  Besides MacLysaght and his palMatheson having listed nearly a dozen alternate spellings/forms of the surname,I'm encountering other possibilities as well.  For example, Mary CRYNGONcame over on The United-Kingdom 14-July-1846.I guess I'm just getting concerned that I'm going to run off my Cryan surnamesearch and discover that my family changed its name from one of thealternative spellings.  Has anyone run across this yet?I also came across in passenger lists:  Luke and Roger CREYON, age 20and 18, labourers from Co. Sligo who emigrated on The Independence, sail date =8-Nov-1803. I've started going through Griffith's Land Valuation ... and (afterbouts of motion sickness thanks to the microfiche reader), have come across twoCryans. If you claim them, let me know:  Michael CRYAN and James CRYAN,occupying separate lands in the parish of Kilbride, townland of Cashelmeehan,Union of Roscommon, Roscommon/Galway Counties.  Both rented their property fromJohn E. Thewles.  Michael had only land, but much more of it than James, whohad a house and offices as well as land.  I'll have more time to hack away atGriffith's next Wednesday - it took a while just to figure it outtoday.  It's fairly apparent (unless I've misread, always a possibility) that Co.Roscommon, where Cryan is most frequent, was done c. 1857.  Have you allalready done this source? or should I keep a keen eye out for somethingspecial?  Any advice on Griffith's?Lastly, my "favorite" Cryan of the week:  Robert Cryan, 1915-1995(Buffalo, NY).  A former FBI special agent, he trained other agents and police injudo and firearms.  After he retired from the Bureau, he battled organizedcrime and narcotics as a Captain in the NY State Police force until 1969.  Hisobituary, posted by, says he's survived by 5 sons, 4 daughters,31 grandkids, and 36 great-grandkids.Check out the "New Databases" section of -- they'refree-access for a limited time, and new dbases are constantly added.Happy hunting, Leslie in Chicago.


From:         "Michael Tobin" <> Add to Address Book

   Date:        Fri, 28 Aug 1998 04:35:38 PDT Subject:        [CRYAN-L] John Cryan from Keash, Co. Sligo    To:

Hello fellow Cryan researchers,Some of you may know me already from previous email we exchanged.My name is Michael Tobin and I was born and reared in the parish of Tourlestrane in Co. Sligo. I now live in Co. Galway.My grandfather was Michael Brennan (1904:1985) from the townland of Drumnagranshy in the parish of Keash, near Ballymote in Co. Sligo. His mother was Mary Anne Cryan (1877:1954) from the neighbouring townlandof Tonraponra, also in the parish of Keash. In the birth records for Mary Anne and her siblings, the name of the townland is sometimes indicated as Crosses. This is a neighbouring townland and it is not clear yet as to why it was used in the birth records.Her father was John Cryan (1845:1928) from the same area. It is believed  that he was the oldest in his family, but I have no details as yet of his siblings. His father is likely to have been Matthew Cryan, but I have to confirm this yet. There is a Matthew Cryan who married aBridget Hannon in Keash in 1844, and I am fairly confident that they are John's parents but have some further confirmation to do on this first before I am certain.Regards Michael


From: Add to Address Book   Date:        Thu, 27 Aug 1998 23:21:08 EDT Subject:        [CRYAN-L] More Cryans to add from Obits and Ship lists index

        (for US and Canada)    To:

Let me know if you would like more info on the below:

NAME                            BIRTHDATE       LOCATION                DEATH DATE

Cryan   Bridget         pre-1816        NYC in 1816            

Cryan   Catharine       pre-1816        NYC in 1816            

Cryan   Jack                                    NYC                     d. 1/22/1971

Cryan   James           pre-1816        NYC in 1816            

Cryan   James A.                                NYC                     d. 3/1/1906

Cryan   Martin          pre-1816        NYC in 1816            

Cryan   Mary            pre-1816        NYC in 1816            

Cryan   Michael pre-1816        NYC in 1816            

Cryan   Michael c. 1840         Boston, MA in 1850             

Cryan   Michl           pre-1812        Canada in 1812 (may be same as next)   

Cryan   Michl           c. 1792         Canada in 1812         

Cryan   Patrick         pre-1816        NYC in 1816            

Cryan   Timothy pre-1816        NYC in 1816


I've only listed the Cryans I came across on my "hot" date night (husband blewme off because of work, and left me to my own devices at the downtown  library).  I have tons of Creans, and some Creahans, Creegans, Creigans etc.Let me know who you're searching for, or if you're looking undersomething other than CRYAN.Finally, want to read of the life of a Crean?  Major Thomas Joseph Crean, b.1873 in Dublin, was quite a guy.  In the 1923 Who's Who he's listed as both hero and war veteran.  He received the Royal Humane Society Testimonial for saving life at sea in 1891.  He was the son of Michael Theobald Crean, barrister,  the husband (m. 1905) of Victoria, oldest daughter of Senor don Tomas Heredia of Malaga, and the father of one son and one daughter.  He served in South and west Africa and the European War (WWI to those living much after 1923) with 1st Cavalry Brigade and 44th Field Ambulance in France.  He was wounded in action in Tygerskoof, S. Africa, and decorated for his actions there.  Yet he had time to relax:  he was a serious rugby player and a member of the Army & Navy Bucks club.  The write-up is much more detailed -wish I could claim him, he seems a swell guy.  Let me know if you can and I'll forward more details.  -Leslie


From: Add to Address Book   Date:        Thu, 27 Aug 1998 09:27:19 EDT Subject:        [CRYAN-L] Re: Libraries with Genealogy collections/departments:


I saw this posted on another mailing list, and thought I'd share:<<I have just noticed that at the Kindred Konnections web location there is afree service to search for (and/or list) libraries which have a  genealogydepartment. Should you be interested, the URL is: If that does not get you there, go through the site map at :

OR:>>Hope it helps someone, Leslie


From: Add to Address Book   Date  Wed, 26 Aug 1998 18:06:31 EDT Subject:        [CRYAN-L] Visit to Newberry Library, here in Chicago    To:        CRYAN-L@rootsweb.comWithin the next week I'm hoping to get over to the Newberry Library here in

Chicago and check out their genealogy collection.  Believe me, I'll  copy downeverything I see relating to a Cryan or Crean, but I was wondering if anyonewants me to look for a certain record or book along the way? What I mean is, they have a great collection, and if you've been  looking for a book and haven't been able to get it, I'd be happy to do a look-up in their catalogue and let you know if they have it.  They are a private,non-lending library, just fyi.  I can't get to this library often, between it's hours,it's exclusion of kids under the age of 16, and the high cost of a sitter.  So I'm planning my first visit as an 8-hour marathon.  I don't mind looking for family histories other than the name of Cryan, either.  Just email me at: if you have something for me to lookup (but be specific).  You can check out the library's main collection through the website:  -- my computer is too slow to use theiron- line catalogue.  Write soon if you have something - I may be able to get over there Monday or Tuesday.  Leslie


from: Add to Address Book   Date:Mon, 24 Aug 1998 22:17:44 EDT Subject:        [CRYAN-L] A few more have joined    To:


... and now we are ten.  I'm still hoping for a better translation than  my one  year of latin can provide for the Cryan family motto:  "Coe mundum crea in me Deus".  For those of you who have just joined in, we've started off by posting our earliest known Cryans/Creans, their locations, dates, occupations or whatever  is known.  So far Tony (Australia) has posted re: his Gggranddad Domnick and his wife Catherine Cauly/Cawley, a farmer from  Gurteen, Sligo, his son Thomas  and daughter Sarah in the 19th c. and I posted re: Robert Cryan b.  1841-ish.Please email the group with any Cryan-related matter by emailing     And, personally, I would love someone to fill me in about the Cryan'   Shames. Or, why the Murphy's get a tartan and the Cryan's don't.  We can leave   the explanations for these things and other universal mysteries for another day ... - Leslie


ly-To:          "Family History" < >    From:          "Family History" < > Add to Address Book      To:          <>

  Subject:          Re CRYAN family history    Date:          Tue, 25 Aug 1998 00:27:13 +0100

Hi again from Eve,Thank you for your reply. I am on an internet diet and unfortunately restricted to only twice a week so I was lucky to have tuned in today. Thank you for the offer of the list of deaths but I already have 1864-1905 and a large portion of the births, for both England and Ireland.However I would be interested in the Irish Times article  re"Where's that" . I am also VERY interested in you mentioning Lord Lorton papers.  Although I am not certain,and as yet have no evidence, the most likely place for my family to have come is Carrowcrory as I said before , which is also part of the Lorton estates. Where are these estate records kept? Is it the NationalArchives? Do your family come from Boyle parish? I have picked out all the Boyle registrations from my lists and am beginning to match them up roughly with the names from the IGI  - only roughly   because the same names occur so often and it is never clear which Thomas married  which Catherine. But starting with the uncommon names one can dosomething. I was wrong I think about the RC parish for Carrowcrory being Toomourfor I  am now looking at Drumrat RC parish which I think is also called Keesheand this can only be 10 -15 miles or so from Boyle. I have just looked at a film of parish registers which is supposed to  be for Toomour (RC)Co Sligo. Partof the film is definitely for Foxford parish (Co Mayo) which also May be called Toomour because the townlands are given for each family mentioned. The other part of the film is in dispute .I have a list of all the CRYANs and their neighbours in a fair number of the townlands in the area and would have expected more than one CRYAN marriage between 1830 and 1840, the other names do  not occur and the name is spelt  CREAN which is much more common in Co Mayo. I will just wait and see and    keep an open mind. BUT as a means of clearing up the dispute is there anyway of finding out the extent of the RC diocese of Achonry ie does it include Foxford and Ballymoteand the area south to Loch Gara? Thanks for your reply Kevin (I hope that you do not mind this spelling!) Until again ,regards Eve


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Yes, I finally got a hold of the RIC book and devoured it.  I haven't  mailed

off any enquiries yet -- I think my best next step is to get Robert's RIC # from the Mormon indexes and then write away for stuff.  Well, obviously, that's my only choice!  But right now I'm trying to get the Cryan mailing list  up and going -- I got Anthony from over in Australia to post his  ancestors,  but another five list members are fairly silent.  Do you want a copy ofAnthony's posting?  Do me a favor -- sign-up!  Not only am I sure  you'll have valuable contributions, but it's not a hugely active list, so it won't take uptime. I'm more interested than ever in getting Robert's service record.  Since itwas policy to send the constables away from their home county, I have at leasta partial explanation why children were born in Co. Mayo.  And I also have some sort of explanation as to why his wife was a housekeeper for British officers and his daughter Agnes the first Catholic to work at Linde (now I just have to figure out what Linde was/is!). Thanks for recommendingthe book.   So you're a student!  You'll have to explain your course of studysometime: language & politics?  I'm a former medieval art historian.  Had a turn atcomputer programming, working at law firms, then consulting after my son wasborn.  Now I'm just a mom - with a new hobby.  It's just a great way to givedirection to my reading, which was foundering around before I happened uponthis.  My husband's family has been over here since the 17th c. and includesHuguenots, plantation/slave owners, and all sorts of interesting personalities.  I'm reading all sorts of stuff -- my reading had rarely taken me past the 17th c. before!So keep forwarding recommended reading and I'll do the same.  Rootsweb is alsohosting an Irish reading group.  I don't know if it's supposed to be just Irish literature, or what.  Being on their lists is free.  Hope you'll sign up for the Cryan list -- Leslie Poche'



Hi everyone,


   I have been hesitant to submit anything to the list yet because I

am hardly a genealogist and not very organized, but in case anyone

out there is looking for some of my people, I figured I'd finally


     My mother's maiden name was Marilyn Crehan (b. 1938.) She is the

daughter of Arthur Thomas Crehan (1906-89,) who was born in

Haverhill, Massachusetts, and came here to Brooklyn, NY, with his

mother and some of his twelve siblings in the 1910s or 1920s. We

don't know much about Arthur's father who had died by then, other

than that he was _probably_ from Roscommon. His wife, Margaret

O'Donoghue (sp) was born in 1872, probably in Donegal, and died in

1952. My mother lost contact with her father when she was a child,

 and last saw any of his relatives before I was born in the 1970s, so I'm not

really connected to the extended Crehan family.


  The rest of the Crehan names and places that I know are available

from (which may need a few

minor corrections in places,) or just e-mail me if you

would like to know something. Thanks to all the people who have been

posting information about Crehans, Cryans et al.

Sincerely,Theresa Mary Nehemias

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[SP2]Because I think that's all I'm going to cover here - but before you go and

delete, I'd like to point out that 5/22 current subscribers had their original

form of O'Crean changed.  And since you mystery six [you know who you are ;) ]

who have yet to let on as to whom you are researching ... well, just maybe

this does pertain to you.  Plus, I inevitably wander and include other stuff.

*  * 

First of all, a rootsweb site to check out:

There were two Crane biographies listed, but as I only bothered to read one

and it was about an English Crane, this may be a total bust.  However, it

ought to be mentioned because it has another section on language we've

inherited, and I couldn't help but wonder....  In my Cryan family two phrases

have stood the test of time and (now) four or more generations:  "More's the

pity" and "More fool you".  For all I know these phrases are uttered out of

the mouth of every housewife and babe in arms in Dublin, but I couldn't help

but wonder -- do any other Cryans have something like this?  Do any of you

other O'Crean-types have so-called family phrases?

Now, back to the Crean-crew:  John O'Hart's "The Irish & Anglo-Irish Landed

Gentry" (orig. 1884, reprint 1969): 


p. 456: "Symon CRANE" listed in the Grants, Under the Acts of Settlement &

Explanation [1661-65].


p. 35:  The BENNETT Family:  "134.  Eleanor, daughter of Nathaniel WARREN; m.

Robert CREAN of Dublin (of the CREAN-LYNCH Family) .... This Eleanor in 1838

removed to the City of NY with her children.

"135.  Henrietta-Agnes CREAN (d. in Saxony 31 mar, 1873); daughter of Eleanor.

Married in NYC 6-June-1840, James Gordon BENNETT, who was born at New Mill,

Keith, Banfshire, in Scotland; was the founder of the "NY Herald" Newspaper;

and died in 1872, leaving issue one son and one daughter ..."

footnote:  "This Henrietta-Agnes CREAN had a brother Robert CREAN of NYC, who

d. s.p.; and two sisters - 1. Helena-Margarette CREAN, 2. Georgina CREAN.

This  Helena-Margarette CREAN married, first, Lindsay Downes RICHARDSON of

Dublin (son of Marmaduke Jenni RICHARDSON of Armagh) and had: 1. Linsay Robert

RICHARDSON of NYC, Capt. 7th NY N.G. (d.s.p. 1873); Marmaduke Jenni Schomberg

RICHARDSON, NYC, living in 1881; 3. Eleanor RICHARDSON-BISHOP, D.S.p. in 1880

- all three born in Dublin.  And Georgina CREAN, mentioned above, m.

Vichenburg of NY, living in Holland in 1881."

Index to Clonfert Marriage License Bonds, Wills & Administration Bonds,

Supplement to the Irish Ancestor, 1970, Rosemary Ffolliott.

[note: no listings of known forms of O'Crean in Clonfert Marriage records]

Wills:  Page 7:

Mary CREANE, Cartron, Killaghtan, Galway, 1848 [date of will]

Stephen CREANE, Cartron, Galway, 1847 [date of will]

Books authored by Creans:

Frank J. CREAN's "Exploring the Canadian Northwest" (NY, 1911)  Description

and travel in Saskatchewan, Canada.

I'll see what else I can type up and send off this weekend, folks.  Leslie


Hi all,

I have another very useful website called "Ireland Bridge" - which may be

useful for those wishing or trying to leap the pond.

This give lots of linking sites for more information. Most particularly

access to Cyndi's Lists some of which have ships and immigrant passenger

lists from Ireland to the USA.

I hope that this is helpful, until again Eve


Hi Leslie and Group:

Thank you for the invitation to join the Cryan List.  I am a Cregan

descendant.  I haven't done much investigation of  the Cregan line yet.  So

all I do have are unsubstantiated "stories."  My mother used to talk about her

Cregans as though they were the "black sheep" of the family.

My mother was born Gertrude Frances Cregan on January 9, 1910 and she died

July 8, 1980.  She was raised in Greenfield, a very Irish area of Pittsburgh.

My grandfather was born Francis A. Cregan in 1888 and died August 22, 1951. He

was a glass blower and I still have some of his work. He was institutionalized

in his early thirties though for some type of dementia.  I intend to request

his old medical records someday.

The colorful one in the family was my great-grandmother.  My mother says her

name was Maggie Smith.  She supposedly met my great-grandfather in England.

He was a merchant marine.  According to my mother Maggie found herself "with

child" and followed my great-grandfather Cregan to the USA and made him marry

her. My mom said she had a beautiful singing voice.  The only problem was, she

would sing on her front stoop at 2:00 am after having downed quite a few

brews.  She would get arrested often and my poor dear mother was terribly

ashamed of her.......but she wasn't a true Cregan after all.

So, I don't have any stories of wealth or heroics from the Cregan side of my

family.  If there are any Cregans out there who might be related to my very

dysfunctional clan, please fess up.


Joanne Tyler-Tucker


The following was sent to me, and I thought it might (eventually) help

someone.  In the meantime, it's just interesting.

OCCUPATIONS CHART [Definitions of Yesteryear's Job Titles]

 It seems the War Chart was such a popular item (and a revised edition

 with additions and minor corrections is planned in a month or so) I have

 put together this "LIST OF  OCCUPATIONS" used in the older records.  I

 put these 130 items together from many sources and used it as a handout

 for our local Orange County (NY) Genealogical Society.  I was asked by

 many War Chart recipients if the CHART could be forwarded to other lists

 or used in local newsletters.  The answer is yes -- please share this >


  Dan Burrows


 Accomptant      Accountant

 Almoner         Giver of charity to the needy

 Amanuensis      Secretary or stenographer

 Artificer            A soldier mechanic who does repairs

 Bailie          Bailiff

 Baxter          Baker

 Bluestocking    Female writer

 Boniface           Keeper of an inn

 Brazier         One who works with brass

 Brewster                Beer manufacturer

 Brightsmith     Metal Worker

 Burgonmaster    Mayor

 Caulker         One who filled up cracks (in ships or windows or seems


 make them watertight by using tar or oakum-hemp fiber produced by

 taking old ropes apart

 Chaisemaker     Carriage maker

 Chandler       Dealer or trader; one who makes or sells candles;


 of groceries

 Chiffonnier     Wig maker

 Clark           Clerk

 Clerk           Clergyman, cleric

 Clicker         The servant of a salesman who stood at the door to


 customers; one who received the matter in the galley from the


 and arranged it in due form ready for printing;  one who makes eyelet


 in boots  using a machine which clicked.

 Cohen           Priest

 Collier          Coal miner

 Colporteur      Peddler of books

 Cooper           One who makes or repairs vessels made of staves &

                         hoops,  such as casks, barrels, tubs, etc.

 Cordwainer      Shoemaker, originally any leather worker using leather

                           from   Cordova/Cordoba in Spain

 Costermonger    Peddler of fruits and vegetables

 Crocker         Potter

 Crowner         Coroner

 Currier         One who dresses the coat of a horse with a currycomb;

 one who tanned leather by incorporating oil or grease

 Docker          Stevedore, dock worker who loads and unloads cargo

 Dowser          One who finds water using a rod or witching stick

 Draper          A dealer in dry goods

 Drayman         One who drives a long strong cart without fixed sides


 carrying heavy loads

 Dresser         A surgeon's assistant in a hospital

 Drover          One who drives cattle, sheep, etc. to market;  a dealer



 Duffer          Peddler

 Factor          Agent, commission merchant;  one who acts or transacts

 business for another; Scottish steward or bailiff of an estate

 Farrier         A blacksmith, one who shoes horses

 Faulkner                Falconer

 Fell monger     One who removes hair or wool from hides in

 preparation for leather making

 Fletcher      One who made bows and arrows

 Fuller          One who fulls cloth;one who shrinks and thickens woolen

 cloth by  moistening, heating, and pressing; one who cleans  and



 Gaoler          A keeper of the goal, a jailer

 Glazier         Window glassman

 Hacker          Maker of hoes

 Hatcheler          One who combed out or carded flax

 Haymonger       Dealer in hay

 Hayward         Keeper of fences

 Higgler         Itinerant peddler

 Hillier         Roof tiler

 Hind            A farm laborer

 Holster         A groom who took care of horses, often at an inn

 Hooker          Reaper

  Hooper          One who made hoops for casks and barrels

 Huckster                Sells small wares

 Husbandman      A farmer who cultivated the land

 Jagger          Fish peddler

 Journeyman      One who had served his apprenticeship and mastered

 his  craft,  not bound to serve a master, but hired by the day

 Joyner / Joiner A skilled carpenter

 Keeler          Bargeman

 Kempster                Wool comber

 Lardner         Keeper of the cupboard

 Lavender                Washer woman

 Lederer         Leather maker

 Leech           Physician

 Longshoreman    Stevedore

 Lormer          Maker of horse gear

 Malender                Farmer

 Maltster                Brewer

 Manciple                A steward

 Mason           Bricklayer

 Mintmaster      One who issued local currency

 Monger          Seller of goods (ale, fish)

 Muleskinner     Teamster

 Neatherder      Herds cows

 Ordinary Keeper Innkeeper with fixed prices

 Pattern Maker   A maker of a clog shod with an iron ring. A clog  was

 a wooden pole with a pattern cut into the end

 Peregrinator    Itinerant wanderer

  Peruker                 A wig maker

  Pettifogger     A shyster lawyer

  Pigman          Crockery dealer

  Plumber         One who applied sheet lead for roofing and set lead

 frames for plain or stained glass windows.

 Porter          Door keeper

 Puddler         Wrought iron worker

 Quarrier        Quarry worker

 Rigger          Hoist tackle worker

  Ripper          Seller of fish

 Roper           Maker of rope or nets

 Saddler         One who makes, repairs or sells saddles or other

 furnishings for horses

 Sawbones         Physician

 Sawyer              One who saws; carpenter

 Schumacker     Shoemaker

 Scribler             A minor or worthless author

 Scrivener          Professional or public copyist or writer; notary


 Scrutiner          Election judge

 Shrieve            Sheriff

 Slater               Roofer

 Slopseller              Seller of ready-made clothes in a slop shop

 Snobscat / Snob   One who repaired shoes

 Sorter              Tailor

 Spinster           A woman who spins or an unmarried woman

 Spurrer           Maker of spurs

 Squire            Country gentleman;  farm owner;  justice of peace

 Stuff gown      Junior barrister

 Stuff gownsman  Junior barrister

 Supercargo      Officer on merchant ship who is in charge of cargo and

 the commercial concerns of the ship.

 Tanner           One who tans (cures) animal hides into leather

 Tapley           One who puts the tap in an ale cask

 Tasker           Reaper

 Teamster       One who drives a team for hauling

 Thatcher          Roofer

 Tide waiter     Customs inspector

 Tinker             Am itinerant tin pot and pan seller and repairman

 Tipstaff            Policeman

 Travers           Toll bridge collection

 Tucker            Cleaner of cloth goods

 Turner             A person who turns wood on a lathe into spindles

 Victualer         A tavern keeper, or one who provides an army, navy, or

 ship with food

 Vulcan             Blacksmith

 Wagoner         Teamster not for hire

 Wainwright      Wagon maker

 Waiter             Customs officer or tide waiter; one who waited on the

 tide  to

 collect duty on goods brought in

 Waterman        Boatman who plies for hire

 Webster           Operator of looms

 Wharfinger       Owner of a wharf

 Wheelwright    One who made or repaired wheels; wheeled carriages, etc.

 Whitesmith      Tinsmith; worker of iron who finishes or polishes the


 Whitewing       Street sweeper

 Whitster           Bleach of cloth

 Wright             Workman, especially a construction worker

 Yeoman          Farmer who owns his own land


Trying to find more information about my CREGAN family roots.  Patrick Cregan

b 1862 , Nellie Cregan b abt 1870 , two younger siblings Michael and Catherine

Cregan.  They were all born in Limerick, Ireland.  Mother's name was Catherine

but i do not know her maiden name.  They emigrated to the US landing in NYC in

about 1886. Catherine's husband was left in Ireland I believe, either dead or

alive I am not sure.  There is no record of him here.  Any help will be most

greatly appreciated.


Hi Folks,

Leslie's research data caught my interest because it addresses an issue in my

research on McCROHAN.  I trust there are list members knowledgeable in the

etymology of surnames and/or Gaelic to help me make clearer distinctions among

the surname threads that sound alike, but have different origins and are so

easily confused. The following is my present, somewhat hazy, understanding.

My MacCrohans are a branch of the O'Sullivans who can be found almost

exclusively in County Kerry, with their seat at the castle at Letter,

Cahirciveen. In researching I have found that the most general spelling is

McCrohan, with variations MacCroghan, MacCrehan.  Its origin seems to be Mac


>From my reading it appears that Croghan is a distinct name, having its source

in Mac Conchruachan and origins in Co.Roscommon.  Also that Crehan, without a

prefix, is O'Creachain, having its origin in Mayo and now also found in

Galway.  Other Crehans have their origin in O'Criochain of Co.Tyrone, but

because of anglicization has been superseded by Creighton in the Donegal and


Without a knowledge of Gaelic it is difficult for me to appreciate these fine

distinctions.  I had concluded, however, that my research should  focus on

those with the prefix Mac/Mc and presume that any Croghan, Crohans, Crehans I

come upon probably have different origins. But then Leslie's post crops up in

which Croghons who live in the same location where MacCroghans appear in 1850

(Griffiths) and the 1901 Census are listed as CROGHON for purposes of

confiscation. Back to square one !

Any thoughts on the subject most welcome.

Regards, Pat

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Hi all,

   If any of you weren't aware of, it

allows you (for free) to search for addresses and phone numbers in the United

States requiring you to enter only a last name.  It was brought to my

attention that this might be useful, I guess if you are looking for

an uncommon name especially. also lets you

search a few other countries' listings including Canada and the UK,

but not Ireland. Just in case it might be helpful...

Theresa Mary

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Share you favorite web-sites!  Tell your family stories!


I've recently been contacted by a researcher of the Craun surname whose 18th

c. relative (transported to Australia) used, or can be found under, the forms

Craun, Crawn, Chrahan, Crahan, Chroughan, Croughan, Crone, and Chrawn during

his life.  She wants to know if this/these surnames tie into the Crean group.

Since Pat brought up the research problem with MacCroghan, and because we all

are of one variety or another (excluding the silent folk, we're Cregans,

MacCrohan-MacCroghans, Crains, Cryans, Crehans, Creans, Crean-Craines, Creens,

and Crehan-Cranes), perhaps we can pool info on this subject.  

I only know what I do about the O'Crean surname from what I've read by you

all, MacLysaght and Matheson.  My instinct, from the research that I've done

so far, is that somewhere in the late 18th c. something happened that changed

the way surnames were spelled in Ireland (not just for our O'Creans).  I don't

know enough to say what, but when I read pre-1800 sources there's more gaelic

(first and surnames), more O's and Macs, more GH's in words, and rarely a

"Cryan" to be found (I can't remember seeing any pre-1810 off the top of my

head).  Was it a result of the 1798 rebellion?  A further anglicization of

Ireland (was gaelic ever outlawed in the schools? when was education/literacy

brought to the peasant classes and who brought it?)?  Post-1800 I observe a

more "English" language -- I haven't come across any "Teig"s or "Cnoghers",

for example, in the 1857 Griffith's Valuation of Co. Roscommon -- but lots of

Patricks, Johns, Conors and Michaels.

I've got a book on the shelf to read about the Rebellion of 1798, but I would

be more interested in a recommendation for something about the Irish culture

and the changes of this period -- if I'm not just making this all up in my

head and there actually is something there.

And I'd love a recommendation on what to tell Thomas Craun's descendant.  Pat,

Eve, anyone -- any suggestions?  Leslie

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>From a few side discussions I've had with one or two of you, I think posting

the following information might be helpful in seeing why, even with all our

name variations, we can all belong to the same mailing list.  Of course, some

of you may think not, and you're welcome to email me and ask me to keep you in

mind and then unsubscribe.  I'm hoping, of course, that you won't, and that

you'll stick it out at least a few weeks to see what develops.  Here goes:

(Kevin, I lifted this right out of your document, as I found it to be a

verbatim transcription of MacLysaght - hope you don't mind my laziness):  "O

Crean,Crehan - According to MacFirbis, O Crean and O Cregan are synonymous,

Crehan being a variant of Crean. In Irish Crean and Crehan are O Croidheain

(spelt O Craidhen by the Four Masters) ... These families formed a minor sept

of the Cineal Eoghan belonging to Donegal, with a branch in the neighbouring

county of Sligo. They are twice mentioned by the four Masters as wealthy

merchants, ... in 1506 as of Donegal; in 1572 as of Sligo. The Clongowes

manuscript gives them a higher status : the then head of the family was John O

Crean of Ballynegare, and inanother place in the manuscript O Crean of Annagh

is stated to have been one of the leading families of Co. Sligo in the

sixteenth century. According to the "Annals of Loch Ce" the Bishop of Elphin

in 1582 was an O Crean, but he was "removed" in 1584. Father Daniel O Crean

(d. c. 1616) of Holy Cross, Sligo was Provincial of the Dominican order in a

period of intensive persecution."

Kevin also kindly sent around the following Research Centres, Sites and


There are references to the early Creans in Mary O Dowd's book "Power,

Politics and Land: Early Modern Sligo 1568-1688"; M. Woodmartin's "History of

Sligo" and T. O Rourke's "History of Sligo - Town and County".

If you would like to find out more about your own family write to either The

Sligo Heritage and Genealogical Centre, Stephens St., Sligo or The Roscommon

Heritage and Genealogical Centre, Strokestown, Co. Roscommon.


Root Surname List -


Irish Family History Society,PO Box 36,Naas,Kildare,Ireland

Irish Roots, Belgrave Publications,Belgrave Ave.,Cork, Ireland

Roscommon/Sligo Homepage


To Kevin's bit I'd like to add Robert E. Matheson's variations and Synonumes

of Surnames (Dublin, 1901, p. 37):  "Crean:  Crain, Crane, Creaghan, Creen,

Crehan; Cregan: Craigan, Creegan, Creggan, Creghan, Creigan."

In the same volume at my local library is the Special Report on Surnames in

Ireland (1909, Dublin, p. 43-4):  "Table showing the surnames in Ireland

having 5 Entries and upwards in the Birth Indexes of 1890, together with the

number in each registration province, and the registration counties in which

these names are principally found: 

Creagh:  17 births in 1890 index: 6 Leinster, 8 Munster, 1 Ulster, 2 Connaught

Crean (24): 27 births in 1890 index: 4 Leinster, 16 Munster, - Ulster, 7

Connaught (note: 9 in Kerry, 7 in

         Cork, 4 in Wexford)

Cregan (20)/Creegan(13): 33 births in 1890 index: 10 Leinster, 12 Munster, 4

Ulster, 7 Connaught (note:

         "Cregan" Limerick & Meath; "Creegan", Leitrim & Sligo)

Crehan (15): 17 births in 1890 index: -Leinster, 1 Munster, 1 Ulster, 15

Connaught (note: "Crehan" 14 in


Cryan:  15 births in 1890 index: -Leinster, -Munster, -Ulster, 15 Connaught

(note: 10 in Roscommon)

Out of an abbreviated study of MacLysaght's I got the following:

"(o) Cryan, Crynes:  A Co. Roscommon form of Crean." (p. 56)

"(o) Crean, Creaghan, Crehan, O Croidheain [sorry for my lack of proper gaelic

accents]: A Cenel Eoghain sept of Donegal, with a branch in Co. Sligo ...

These names are also anglicized forms of O Criochain alias Mac Criochain of

Ardstraw...  "(o) Creegan, O Croidheagain:  This is Cregan in Co. Limerick.

As Creegan in Co. Sligo it is akin to O'Crean."


Hopefully this helps explain why many of us may be way-distant cousins, or at

least viewed as such.  I'd love to hear more from others on the subject.  In

other words, stop wondering and start posting!  :)

Some of you have told me wonderful stories of murder, hardship, castles which

are now "grassy mounds" on "wet hillsides", web-sites you've posted parts of

your genealogy on, and all sorts of places you've checked out.  I'm duly

recording everything into the database that I can fit, but the stories are

really wonderful and would make good reading for us all.  Here's a good one

from me:  I recently found out my Ggrandmother Agnes Cryan Smyth was the first

Catholic to work for Linde Air (her father was an RIC constable and mother was

a housekeeper to British soldiers pre-1916).  During the Depression here in

the States, Agnes had to sell her watch given to her from her Linde Air

employer and her mother's beautiful piano.  Two of Agnes' sister-in-laws

married interesting intellectuals, one an Irish writer whose name no one

remembers and the other a communist who moved his whole family to the USSR in

the twenties (and returned later).  All of our families have such stories - I

look forward to reading your's.    Leslie


Ah, studying the humanities ... and realizing one's perfection neuroses along

the way.  I bagged out before I got to that stage:  remaining sane yet still a

small piece of regret (smaller as the years roll by).  My master's thesis was